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| 00:07.53 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 01:55.31 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:56.41 | wmat | prpplague: pong, way late. |
| 02:00.19 | Lars_G | http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-3101-Chip-FIRST-Intel-Product-Pin-1-D_W0QQitemZ130221895136QQihZ003QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting |
| 02:00.23 | Lars_G | A real vintage |
| 02:00.39 | prpplague | wmat hey just checking on the status of your hammer dev |
| 02:01.47 | prpplague | wow i used to have a large bag of those |
| 02:02.13 | Lars_G | prpplague: 3101's? |
| 02:02.16 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember what they started out as. |
| 02:02.18 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:02.19 | SpeedEvil | DRAM? |
| 02:02.26 | Lars_G | you threw them away? you threw vintage chips away??? |
| 02:02.31 | Lars_G | feels apalled |
| 02:02.39 | prpplague | melted them down for the gold |
| 02:02.45 | SpeedEvil | Before they get to be vintage, they start out as old crap. |
| 02:02.55 | Lars_G | SpeedEvil: Bipolar schkotsky or however it's spelled, |
| 02:03.07 | Lars_G | 64 bit it seems, arranged in 16x4 words |
| 02:03.08 | SpeedEvil | I just binned some 27c256s |
| 02:03.18 | prpplague | i just don't get it how HR people expect to get wince devrs that also do opensource linux dev |
| 02:03.21 | SpeedEvil | as I suspect I'm not going to use them in the near future. |
| 02:03.36 | prpplague | "Excellent skills in C/C++ programming techniques in Win CE and Linux (5+ yrs)." |
| 02:03.57 | prpplague | yea, riiiiigggghhhhttt |
| 02:04.18 | Lars_G | migration techs could handle both |
| 02:04.41 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: ping |
| 02:04.45 | prpplague | what the heck is a migration tech? |
| 02:05.03 | prpplague | and this is refering to embedded developers |
| 02:05.16 | Lars_G | embedded? you're fried. |
| 02:05.33 | Lars_G | a migration tech is a specialist in migrating from one paradigm to another. windows->linux or viceversa |
| 02:05.39 | prpplague | you can't even look at wince code without basically forever baring you from doing anything under GPL |
| 02:06.02 | Lars_G | I made up the title, but the job description exists and I've seen it a few times |
| 02:06.20 | Lars_G | Yeah if MS werent so narrowsighted |
| 02:06.39 | Lars_G | Myself, i can't wait for android and/or openmoko to consolidate into a few devices to jump ship. |
| 02:07.02 | prpplague | which is my point, your not going to find a linux devr that is going to do wince, and i seriously doubt you are going to find a wince devr that wants to do linux |
| 02:07.10 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: piiiiiing |
| 02:07.19 | SpeedEvil | Lars_G: OM suffers from broken community relations. |
| 02:07.24 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: pong, but only for a bit |
| 02:07.59 | SpeedEvil | Lars_G: _way_ too much code dropped from the sky, with no notice. And Way too little 'we are not working on this' lists. So people assume that it's being worked on, and don't do stuff. :/ |
| 02:08.04 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: Have you ever managed to get hfstools to actually be able to put macbinary encoded stuff into hfs formated floppies without warning it's corrupt, and in a manner that an older apple can understand? |
| 02:08.29 | g1powermac_PB | never played with it, unfortunately |
| 02:08.49 | Lars_G | SpeedEvil: it's sad. also there is something else I see as an advantage for Android and it's the userspace being java based |
| 02:09.04 | Lars_G | sigh, thanks g1powermac_PB |
| 02:09.08 | g1powermac_PB | I had either old macs to do that, or loaded up the pc floppy support extension |
| 02:09.08 | Lars_G | I hoped you'd know |
| 02:09.35 | g1powermac_PB | goes to bed, gnight all |
| 02:09.40 | Lars_G | yeah but if I load the pc floppy suppor extension, can the mac nativelly handle.... |
| 02:09.44 | Lars_G | nvm |
| 02:09.46 | Lars_G | good night |
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| 07:34.04 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 11:34.11 | g1powermac_PB | morning GPSFan |
| 11:34.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: howdy |
| 11:38.59 | chouimat | morning |
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| 11:41.59 | Mr_Bonga | hi friends |
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| 12:46.06 | Crofton|laptop | free-electrons is /.'d |
| 12:46.39 | sjhill | why? |
| 12:47.13 | Crofton|laptop | the videos for ELC are on /l now |
| 12:48.55 | sjhill | ah |
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| 13:30.23 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:30.28 | prpplague | merry freakin wed |
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| 13:34.04 | felipec | "uses VFP register arguments" <- any idea? |
| 13:34.43 | prpplague | felipec: need alot more details as to what you are asking about |
| 13:35.28 | felipec | prpplague: error while linking |
| 13:35.53 | felipec | "ERROR: a uses VFP register arguments, b does not" |
| 13:36.01 | prpplague | felipec: what device, what compiler, what OS ? |
| 13:36.58 | felipec | prpplague: arm-linux, codesourcery 2007q1 |
| 13:37.43 | prpplague | felipec: can you pastebin the error log? |
| 13:39.48 | prpplague | felipec: http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-10/msg00001.html |
| 13:39.59 | prpplague | felipec: looks like you might have a floating point error |
| 13:40.57 | felipec | prpplague: not exactly, but I guess this has the relevant information: |
| 13:40.59 | felipec | arm-linux-gcc a.o b.o lib.a -lextra -shared -o lib.so ld: ERROR: lib.a(foo.o) uses VFP register arguments, lib.so does not |
| 13:41.49 | prpplague | felipec: sounds like you have some of the code configured for soft floating point and other code configured for hard |
| 13:44.16 | felipec | prpplague: should I change -mfpu? |
| 13:45.41 | prpplague | felipec: i have no clue what you are trying to accomplish, but in order to find out if that is the problem, makign sure everything is compile with the same options would be a good start |
| 13:48.05 | felipec | prpplague: lib.a is compiled with rvct |
| 13:49.54 | felipec | aha, -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp solved the issue |
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| 13:50.23 | felipec | oh, no, it didn't |
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| 14:35.24 | g1powermac | prpplague, so, when do you think you'll be done with the zipit? |
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| 15:22.43 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'll try to send it on friday |
| 15:22.53 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'm pretty much done with it |
| 15:22.54 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ping |
| 15:22.57 | prpplague | ce_geek: pong |
| 15:23.00 | prpplague | ce_geek: que paso? |
| 15:23.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: yo no hablo espanol |
| 15:23.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:23.36 | ce_geek | I usedta did in high school :-/ |
| 15:23.40 | prpplague | ce_geek: don't you know, it's the official language of texas now |
| 15:23.49 | ce_geek | prpplague: Great. |
| 15:23.59 | prpplague | ce_geek: :( |
| 15:24.01 | ce_geek | prpplague; Any thoughts / feedback? Still haven't heard from Rick |
| 15:24.08 | prpplague | ce_geek: looks really good |
| 15:24.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: Good good! |
| 15:24.17 | prpplague | ce_geek: boss wants to know if we can post it as is |
| 15:24.36 | ce_geek | prpplague: Sure! |
| 15:24.56 | prpplague | ce_geek: oh, btw, boss wants to know if a carrier board with builtin breadboard would be more appealing to the school |
| 15:24.57 | ce_geek | prpplague: Hopefully a newer version could be posted if I get a chance to comb through and improve it at some point :-/ |
| 15:25.03 | g1powermac | prpplague, k, sounds good |
| 15:25.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: I think so. We either wire wrap or breadboard during labs. |
| 15:25.25 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, thats what i was telling him |
| 15:25.36 | ce_geek | prpplague: crap I gtg, farewell lunch with the boss. I'll be around later! |
| 15:25.42 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, it could be the second language even up here in KY as well |
| 15:25.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: the major question was if we wanted to include jtag on board, or keep it seperate |
| 15:25.54 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ah |
| 15:25.58 | prpplague | ce_geek: ok shout when you get back |
| 15:26.04 | ce_geek | prpplague: Nice to have as one unit, less stuff to keep track of I think. |
| 15:26.06 | g1powermac | we got a pretty big mexican population here |
| 15:26.23 | ce_geek | prpplague: As far as asset management and stuff. That's why I mounted this stuff, I knew Rick would never get to it. |
| 15:26.35 | ce_geek | heads for beer + burgers |
| 15:29.32 | prpplague | hmm why does the name E-Con Systems sounds familiar |
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| 16:16.21 | g1powermac | pokes at a sample GRE. . . |
| 16:16.36 | g1powermac | got about a year before I have to take the thing |
| 16:20.56 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 16:21.00 | g1powermac | how are ya doing? |
| 16:21.15 | RobotGuy | Hi. No real change. :( |
| 16:21.27 | g1powermac | aww, well, hope you feel better soon |
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| 16:24.28 | RobotGuy | Me too. |
| 16:24.54 | RobotGuy | Wow, AT&T has a USB Connect dongle for Cell services, including 3G data. |
| 16:25.15 | RobotGuy | I am getting at least some sleep now, which is good. |
| 16:26.29 | RobotGuy | I wish there was a magic "unsubscribe from all SPAM" button. |
| 16:26.50 | g1powermac | heh, of course that would just subscribe you to even more spam |
| 16:27.27 | RobotGuy | Legally, I don't think that is supposed to happen, but I know it does. |
| 16:28.35 | RobotGuy | At least with US originated SPAM. |
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| 16:36.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you having troubles again? |
| 16:36.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Just continuing medical issues. :( |
| 16:37.51 | RobotGuy | The OpenMoko FreeRunner uses the Samsung S3C2442A. |
| 16:37.59 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:39.21 | RobotGuy | I haven't even opened the two packages I got yesterday. |
| 16:39.54 | RobotGuy | I told the GeckoSystems fellow I didn't want to develop for their robots. |
| 16:40.54 | g1powermac | hmm, the GRE is quite interesting. . . |
| 16:46.49 | RobotGuy | s/didn't/don't |
| 16:47.28 | prpplague | Gerry Rigging Exam ? |
| 16:50.58 | g1powermac | hahah |
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| 16:56.18 | prpplague | strangely enough, less than 1% of our TCT sales have been to US customers |
| 16:57.44 | g1powermac | hmm, thats interesting |
| 16:58.52 | prpplague | sjhill: anyone at your office do both windows ce and linux dev? |
| 16:59.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am hoping the Hammer-RDP can help change that at least a little bit. :) |
| 16:59.56 | RobotGuy | Only time will tell though. |
| 16:59.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, just not too sure how well the hammer is going to fit |
| 17:00.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: seems like the lower end robotics people are using avr's and such |
| 17:00.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and the higher end people want massive clocks |
| 17:00.30 | prpplague | not much in the middle |
| 17:01.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: A lot are, but there is that void. |
| 17:01.47 | RobotGuy | I'd be happy with an S3C2440A too. :) I have lots to do with Hammer. |
| 17:01.54 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'm going to try and schedule some time tomorrow to do some zipit tinkering |
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| 17:02.19 | g1powermac | prpplague, k, sounds good :-) |
| 17:03.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: depending on what i get done, i should ship back to you on friday, monday the latest |
| 17:03.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hopefully some of us can show what a modest little Hammer can do. :) |
| 17:03.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't consider the hammer modest, hehe |
| 17:03.28 | g1powermac | k, cool |
| 17:03.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just wanted to see how you would react. :P |
| 17:03.46 | prpplague | g1powermac: that ok with you? |
| 17:03.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh |
| 17:03.57 | RobotGuy | I don't consider it modest either. |
| 17:03.58 | g1powermac | yup, really need to get other stuff done anyway :-) |
| 17:03.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: any updates on your dev? |
| 17:04.17 | prpplague | g1powermac: ok, just wanted to make sure you weren't chomping at the bit for me to return it |
| 17:04.27 | g1powermac | just hard to keep my mind focused on only on hacking project at a time :-) |
| 17:04.30 | g1powermac | *one |
| 17:04.47 | prpplague | g1powermac: indeed |
| 17:05.17 | g1powermac | my mind is in utter scatter mode at the moment, hard to stay focused on any one thing at a time atm |
| 17:05.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I got the last of the (I hope) parts for the arm on W.A.L.T.E.R. but just haven't done anything with them yet. |
| 17:06.00 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, kewl |
| 17:06.32 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I just haven't decided whether to add another joint to it for panning or depend on the robot body rotation for that. |
| 17:06.52 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: The new arm design has a double joint. |
| 17:07.11 | RobotGuy | Now, if I could just stopp losing those tiny little lock washers.. |
| 17:07.51 | g1powermac | hmm, double jointing is nice |
| 17:08.35 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: It provides some interesting flexibility to the arm. |
| 17:08.55 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Also allows the arm to fold up real nice. |
| 17:09.01 | g1powermac | yea |
| 17:09.22 | g1powermac | oh, I saw this a few hours ago, thought you might like it: http://www.hackaday.com/2008/05/13/swarm-robotics/ |
| 17:09.55 | g1powermac | this interests me though: http://www.hackaday.com/2008/05/14/interfacing-your-laptops-onboard-i2c/ |
| 17:10.14 | prpplague | yea saw that |
| 17:10.16 | prpplague | pretty neat |
| 17:10.27 | prpplague | i normally just use the flyswatter if i need external i2c |
| 17:10.34 | g1powermac | yea |
| 17:10.42 | SpeedEvil | I suppose SODIMM might be easiest tap-point |
| 17:10.46 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Very interesting! |
| 17:11.05 | g1powermac | loves reading hackaday now on a daily basis |
| 17:11.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there anything on the Wiki about now to do the cool tricks with Flyswatter? |
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| 17:11.44 | g1powermac | got it right next to my /. tab in firefox :-) |
| 17:11.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not really, why? |
| 17:12.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is there a cool trick you know about? |
| 17:12.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Anything cool that can be done with Flyswatter should probably be documented. :) |
| 17:12.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is there a cool trick you know about? |
| 17:12.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have only used Flyswatter to flash my Hammer. |
| 17:12.57 | g1powermac | hook it up to 220v and watch it fry! ;-) |
| 17:13.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:13.07 | g1powermac | ducks ;-) |
| 17:13.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I thought you had stuff that could be done with Flyswatter. You just mentioned external I2C. |
| 17:13.17 | roxfan | turn your flyswatter into a fryswatter |
| 17:13.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats just standard features of the ft2232 |
| 17:13.53 | g1powermac | roxfan, no problem doing that after frying it, heck, leave the 220v connection on it and fry them flies at the same time! :-) |
| 17:14.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, OK. I never have really looked at that chip. I probably should. |
| 17:14.21 | prpplague | the ftdi ft2232 does i2c, spi, jtag , rs-232, rs-485, and bitbang gpio |
| 17:14.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: And all this can be done from Linux using the drivers? |
| 17:15.15 | roxfan | afaik you just send commands to usb interface |
| 17:15.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: libft2xx |
| 17:15.18 | RobotGuy | Wow. Must add this to my must look into list. |
| 17:15.32 | g1powermac | should get a flyswatter at some point |
| 17:15.55 | roxfan | http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/AppNotes.htm |
| 17:16.00 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I have one. Now just have to get it to do all these cool things. I could use external I2C for lots of things. |
| 17:16.01 | g1powermac | though now I got the want to fry something with 220v ;-) |
| 17:16.20 | RobotGuy | hides from g1powermac and disconnects all power close to him |
| 17:16.25 | g1powermac | looks at his heap of electronic scrap. . . |
| 17:17.03 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, my eyes do seem to be doing a bit better today. That is good. :) Now just need to get those anti-biotics. |
| 17:17.14 | g1powermac | lets out an evil laugh as the electronic scrap heap quivers in fear, bwahahaahah |
| 17:17.44 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Back away from the scrap pile.. <in booming voice> |
| 17:18.45 | g1powermac | pulls out the electric stove's power plug and laughs even more. . . |
| 17:18.53 | RobotGuy | considers sending W.A.L.T.E.R. to defend the scrap pile, then remembers he is prone to electrical interference. |
| 17:19.23 | g1powermac | or should I use the electric clothes dryer, bah, they're prolly the same power connection |
| 17:21.38 | g1powermac | throws the frayed end of the stove's power cord on the electronic scrap heap and watches it go up in smoke, bwahahah |
| 17:21.55 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: You really scare me sometimes.. :P |
| 17:22.23 | RobotGuy | That scrap could have been a robot's mother. :) |
| 17:22.29 | g1powermac | heh, I think I scare myself sometimes ;-) |
| 17:23.27 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Did you see that article about building a super computer for cloud modeling from bunches of small microprocessors? |
| 17:23.53 | g1powermac | hmm, yea |
| 17:25.59 | RobotGuy | You may have even been the one to show it to me. I can't remember. |
| 17:26.08 | g1powermac | I think I was actually |
| 17:26.33 | sjhill | prpplague: nope |
| 17:26.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:28.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hey, Robert Sheer did real well down at Dallas with Tarzan. :) |
| 17:28.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh yea? |
| 17:29.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i was going to email him and see how he was doing with his hammer |
| 17:29.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: He is bringing home two 3rds and a 1st. |
| 17:29.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: never got around to it |
| 17:29.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't think he has really done anything with it yet. |
| 17:29.55 | RobotGuy | He's been getting ready for various competitions. |
| 17:30.35 | chouimat|work | wanders in |
| 17:30.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Our local competitions are the 17th (indoor) and 25th (outdoor) of this month. |
| 17:32.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I e-mail with Robert on stuff like Hammer, and he hasn't sent me any new queries lately. |
| 17:33.05 | solar | prpplague: ping? Recall where the picture of the nail with the small tft hooked up to it might be? Got a user requesting a suggestion on small embedded board that he can hook a small tft to.. |
| 17:33.39 | RobotGuy | solar: Hello. |
| 17:33.47 | prpplague | solar: should be on the main nail page, let me double check |
| 17:33.56 | solar | RobotGuy: good morning. |
| 17:34.25 | prpplague | solar: may have gotten lost when we had the problem with the wiki |
| 17:34.27 | RobotGuy | solar: Converting to Gentoo just took a bump in priority - as soon as I feel better. |
| 17:34.29 | prpplague | give me a second to check |
| 17:34.52 | prpplague | solar: http://elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 17:34.56 | prpplague | solar: bottom of the page |
| 17:35.02 | solar | prpplague: thanka |
| 17:35.12 | prpplague | solar: np |
| 17:35.13 | solar | actually the user mentions oled. |
| 17:35.22 | prpplague | solar: oled is even easier |
| 17:35.39 | solar | http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-embedded&m=120947093208698&w=2 |
| 17:35.45 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:36.09 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I still wonder how many Hammers it would take to give the same capabilities as a standard PC motherboard. |
| 17:36.10 | prpplague | wrist wearable is pretty tight |
| 17:36.32 | prpplague | solar: http://www.femacorp.com/Products/LCD/OLED/OLED%20Datasheets/GM9664A-OLX2NLF.pdf |
| 17:36.36 | solar | My comment on that is. |
| 17:36.40 | prpplague | solar: thats the oled i'm looking at using |
| 17:37.49 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=569 |
| 17:37.55 | prpplague | solar: that is pretty small |
| 17:37.59 | prpplague | solar: would fit the bill |
| 17:38.07 | prpplague | solar: and has very low power consumption |
| 17:38.39 | prpplague | solar: not sure what size of wrist he is looking for |
| 17:39.08 | prpplague | solar: there are some nice wrist usage cases available - http://www.okwusa.com/products/okw/ergo.htm |
| 17:39.38 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, 0.5mm pitch connector. |
| 17:41.23 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, yea |
| 17:41.47 | g1powermac | of course it still all depends on the algorithm |
| 17:42.03 | prpplague | solar: if you find someone that asks "what if......" with regards to embedded mobile devices, i've researched it |
| 17:42.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What if we connected 50 Hammers in a network.. :) |
| 17:43.40 | RobotGuy | And put them on a robot.. |
| 17:43.44 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 17:43.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't consider robotics mobile devices |
| 17:44.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Sure they are. Robots move around. Isn't that mobile? ;) |
| 17:44.27 | prpplague | ok let me qualify |
| 17:44.33 | prpplague | mobile handheld devices |
| 17:44.58 | RobotGuy | Well, you could put them on the Jolly Green Giant's wrist.. :D Maybe. ;) |
| 17:45.48 | RobotGuy | OK, it wouldn't be handheld. Durn. |
| 17:46.32 | RobotGuy | adds on todo list - suggest multiple Hammers to Rober Sheer for Tarzan. |
| 17:47.54 | RobotGuy | goes back to reading the Gentoo Handbook. |
| 17:50.08 | solar | prpplague: biggest problem for tct is that you need to get something approved by the FCC? |
| 17:50.45 | solar | side note. We have been making good progress on porting linux and getting eveything working on my smart phone. the HTC wizard. |
| 17:51.09 | solar | hopefully gsm and touchscreen access+drivers will be complete this week |
| 17:51.46 | chouimat|work | solar: how much this phone cost? |
| 17:52.05 | RobotGuy | And is it available to us in the US? |
| 17:52.06 | solar | 300-400 USD. |
| 17:52.44 | RobotGuy | Are US carriers affraid of Linux based phones? |
| 17:52.59 | solar | sure. |
| 17:53.06 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: I use my Trolltech Greenphone in Canada ... you just need a sim card |
| 17:53.10 | solar | think of the suppoort calls they might have to deal with |
| 17:53.31 | solar | problem with the existing foss phones is the hardware is crappy. |
| 17:53.38 | RobotGuy | solar: I think the community would give better support. |
| 17:53.47 | agaffney | I doubt they're scared of "official" linux firmwares |
| 17:53.47 | solar | geeks want real keyboards :) |
| 17:53.57 | agaffney | the new Palm stuff with Access Linux won't scare anyone |
| 17:54.11 | RobotGuy | agaffney: I want REAL Linux. |
| 17:54.31 | agaffney | REAL linux on a phone isn't all that practical :P |
| 17:54.37 | agaffney | it's fun and geeky |
| 17:54.49 | RobotGuy | agaffney: How would it not be practical? |
| 17:55.20 | solar | matchbox/gpe setup? |
| 17:55.32 | agaffney | of all the stuff I've looked at (mostly limited to the Treos), the hackers don't have the GSM modem working, so no phone function |
| 17:55.52 | RobotGuy | agaffney: Seen OpenMoko? |
| 17:55.52 | solar | nokia has been making greta strides with it's maemo stuff |
| 17:56.07 | RobotGuy | I've been watching Maemo. |
| 17:56.07 | agaffney | aside from the phone functionality, I've run openzaurus with opie on my Zaurus SL-5500, and that was reasonably practical |
| 17:56.10 | agaffney | RobotGuy: nope |
| 17:56.16 | agaffney | I know of it, but I've not seen it |
| 17:56.44 | solar | problem is as a vendor.. Nokia just does not get it. |
| 17:56.49 | RobotGuy | agaffney: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 17:57.10 | solar | they like by the thought of mind that "everybody will carry two devices with them. A phone and a pda" |
| 17:57.21 | solar | they could not be more wrong about the desires of ppl. |
| 17:57.49 | agaffney | yeah, well, they also thought the Ngage would sell :P |
| 17:57.52 | RobotGuy | solar: I'd much rather carry just one device that can do both functions, with hardware similar to something like an AT&T Tilt, but Linux powered. |
| 17:58.18 | solar | RobotGuy: exactly. |
| 17:58.22 | agaffney | indeed |
| 17:58.26 | agaffney | I love my Treo 680 |
| 17:58.32 | solar | The tilt is a nicer model of what I have |
| 17:58.33 | agaffney | I don't use it as a "PDA", though |
| 17:58.42 | agaffney | it's a phone and a mini-computer :P |
| 17:59.02 | agaffney | but I never use the calendar functionality and other PDA-type stuff |
| 17:59.04 | solar | I'm a sys.admin by trade. I need to be able to ssh all over the world in a pinch. |
| 17:59.16 | agaffney | I ssh all the time from my Treo |
| 17:59.18 | agaffney | pssh ftw |
| 17:59.23 | RobotGuy | I am amazed that people still use the "micro", "mini", and "super" prefixes with "computer." |
| 17:59.39 | solar | pocket putty etc.. But it makes me feel dirty |
| 18:00.30 | RobotGuy | solar: I am going to start my Gentoo conversion using the minimal ISO. |
| 18:00.42 | solar | RobotGuy: a desktop? |
| 18:00.45 | chouimat|work | just wants a phone/pda that run linux so he could run hercules on it and say: look I have a mainframe in my pocket!!! |
| 18:00.55 | solar | haha |
| 18:01.03 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes, this PC I am using now. That's just the first step though. |
| 18:01.28 | chouimat|work | my last installation of gentoo was fun ... |
| 18:01.40 | solar | agaffney: hey was it our old gentoo dev guy that became famos for being the Tron guy who wrote hercules? |
| 18:01.54 | RobotGuy | I'm not new to Gentoo. I've run it before. It's been awhile though. |
| 18:02.15 | agaffney | solar: I have no idea what he did other than being "Tron guy" :P |
| 18:02.48 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: I use gentoo but the last computer I installed it on is a mac pro so I had a few things to discovers by myself |
| 18:02.57 | agaffney | for anyone playing with gentoo, check out my quickstart project: http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/quickstart.php |
| 18:03.00 | agaffney | </plug> |
| 18:03.29 | solar | agaffney: seems an odd plug for here. quickstart is more suited for mass deployments. |
| 18:03.43 | agaffney | sure, but a plug is a plug :P |
| 18:04.21 | solar | agaffney: how are you dealing with it these days now that vda ripped mke2fs out of bb? |
| 18:04.30 | chouimat|work | agaffney: cool exactly what I'm looking for :) |
| 18:04.45 | solar | my custom stuff still uses busybox-1.3.x or so. |
| 18:06.01 | prpplague | solar: sorry back, what was your question about fcc? |
| 18:06.20 | agaffney | solar: my netboot images use external e2fsprogs |
| 18:06.30 | agaffney | I never used the bb e2fsprogs to begin with |
| 18:06.51 | agaffney | my netboot stuff was based on `Kumba's which used busybox-1.1.3 still, and he used external e2fsprogs |
| 18:07.50 | agaffney | so it's not completely busybox-able, but it will be once the e2fsprogs stuff gets "fixed" in bb |
| 18:10.47 | solar | prpplague: that was a Re: to 05:42PM <prpplague> solar: if you find someone that asks "what if......" with regards to embedded mobile devices, i've researched it |
| 18:12.51 | RobotGuy | agaffney: I start Gentoo out from the minimal install CD and build everything I can from there from sources. |
| 18:13.09 | agaffney | RobotGuy: yes, that's the "standard" way :P |
| 18:13.44 | RobotGuy | agaffney: I don't want to lose any choices. :) |
| 18:14.25 | prpplague | solar: ahh yea |
| 18:14.29 | prpplague | solar: yea we can do fcc testing in house, but it takes time and money |
| 18:14.38 | solar | prpplague: so you would have to undergo some lengthy process that would cost lots of money? |
| 18:14.55 | solar | n/m you just said it. |
| 18:15.18 | ce_geek | prpplague, |
| 18:15.22 | ce_geek | prpplague: hi |
| 18:15.27 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Greetings! |
| 18:16.03 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Hello! |
| 18:16.11 | prpplague | ce_geek: back eh? |
| 18:16.56 | prpplague | ce_geek: the reason i was thinking about a seperate jtag and serial adapter was to make it easier for students to understand the seperate nature of the devices |
| 18:17.06 | ce_geek | prpplague: That's a good point. |
| 18:17.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: On Hammer, is there any possibility of using a right angle connector for the JTAG on later versions? |
| 18:18.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, already done |
| 18:18.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Very cool! :D:D |
| 18:18.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That will help a lot on boards like Hammer-RDP |
| 18:19.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i've been tinkering with the idea of the jtag being a card edge |
| 18:21.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmm, that would be even better as long as it stays connected when JTAG is being used. Don't want that cable coming loose. Mine is always connected at present. I'm thinking about mounting my Flyswatter on my robot. |
| 18:21.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: eh gads? why? |
| 18:21.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Maybe some sort of locking mechanism like is used with an AGP video card? |
| 18:22.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So I don't have to have it dangling free off the robot when I am working on it. |
| 18:22.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why mount the flyswatter on the bot? |
| 18:22.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why are you using it on your bot? |
| 18:23.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have my Hammer Carrier Board mounted on the robot right now, until I get a Hammer-RDP. |
| 18:23.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sorry i don't understand |
| 18:23.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you still flashing all of your code via jtag every time? |
| 18:23.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Also one less thing to carry with me when I take the robot around - easy to show how I develop for Hammer. |
| 18:24.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, at present I am. |
| 18:24.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: eh gads? why? |
| 18:24.26 | RobotGuy | Except for the JFFS2 image of course. |
| 18:24.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Because I am usually changing my kernel at the same time. |
| 18:25.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so? no need to reflash the bootloader |
| 18:25.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Although that won't happen as much now. |
| 18:25.31 | prpplague | seems rather clunky to be doing it that way all the time |
| 18:25.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Once I get a stable kernel I won't have to flash it. |
| 18:26.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Probably is, but it's easy to do and I don't have to think about it. :) |
| 18:26.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you do realize you can flash the kernel from the bootloader just like the jffs2 image |
| 18:26.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I figured that was possible. |
| 18:26.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's just easier to use my script that copies the files I need to flash and flashes them to Hammer. |
| 18:27.09 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:27.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The fewer steps I have to think about, the better it is for me. :) |
| 18:27.32 | prpplague | very interesting |
| 18:27.55 | prpplague | wonders if we should add the ft2232 to the Web board |
| 18:28.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Web Board? Wiki? |
| 18:28.29 | prpplague | no not yet |
| 18:28.37 | prpplague | still in the discussion phase |
| 18:29.01 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm, Web Board. Like small web server board? |
| 18:29.26 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:30.16 | RobotGuy | All Hammer needs is WiFi or Ethernet. |
| 18:30.16 | prpplague | basically something like the nail but with an external power and the enc28j60 |
| 18:30.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: When can I have one? :D:D |
| 18:30.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats between you and rusty |
| 18:30.29 | prpplague | is just a grunt |
| 18:31.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I could add one to my carrier board, but I am not getting along too well with protyping so far, in some things. |
| 18:31.42 | RobotGuy | SFE module. |
| 18:32.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are way more than a grunt. |
| 18:32.42 | RobotGuy | Time to go get my lunch. BRB |
| 18:38.37 | solar | prpplague: and the guys reply... http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-embedded&m=121078956913973&w=2 |
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| 18:41.36 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:42.05 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 18:42.18 | prpplague | solar: sounds kinda like a newbie with a wild idea |
| 18:42.51 | chouimat|work | prpplague: sound better than a fruitcake with crazy ideas :) |
| 18:43.10 | prpplague | chouimat|work: those are only in quebec |
| 18:43.22 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat|away |
| 18:43.36 | chouimat|work | prpplague: true in the us they are in the congress :) |
| 18:43.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:43.53 | prpplague | touche(sp?) |
| 18:44.02 | g1powermac | hah |
| 18:44.25 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague: btw I still have the last emails from him ... |
| 18:46.25 | prpplague | solar: thanks for the plug |
| 18:47.27 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:49.24 | solar | prpplague: so to invert the questions. Did your guys ever get around to mailing? |
| 18:50.36 | prpplague | solar: we had some production problems, a few resistors were populated with wrong values, the assembly house was responsible so they are in the process of replacing them |
| 18:50.59 | prpplague | solar: i've got you down for 2 nail boards with an additional case for robbat |
| 18:51.11 | prpplague | solar: and 5 nail boards with cases for LWE |
| 18:51.43 | prpplague | solar: i'm guessing after QA clears the boards, probably start shipping on tuesday or wed. |
| 18:52.25 | solar | ok. |
| 18:52.46 | solar | yeah robbat2 has been out of the country.. So i've not really got a chance to work remote on stuff for a little while |
| 18:52.48 | prpplague | solar: sorry for delay, but we want to make sure everything is 100% correct on the first run |
| 18:52.55 | solar | understandable. |
| 18:53.06 | prpplague | solar: don't want to get a bad name going out of the gate |
| 18:53.20 | solar | yeah. |
| 18:53.40 | solar | so what kinds of projects have you seen pop up around it other than WALTER? |
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| 18:56.48 | RobotGuy | solar: W.A.L.T.E.R. is pretty much it right now. I want to have him operational with Hammer before LPC, but am not sure I will be able to. |
| 18:57.39 | prpplague | solar: there are a number of items in the works |
| 18:57.58 | prpplague | solar: US geological service is doing some data collection with the hammer |
| 18:58.06 | solar | before LWE.. I'd like to get a little bit of a list together. |
| 18:58.14 | prpplague | solar: a number of universities are looking at using the hammer for their embedded training |
| 18:58.16 | RobotGuy | I need to get myself one of those nice magnifying lights for soldering. |
| 18:58.19 | solar | cuz I know the question will pop up. "But what is it good for?" |
| 18:58.30 | prpplague | solar: yea i guess i should start getting a list together |
| 18:58.36 | SpeedEvil | solar: powering cruise missiles! |
| 18:58.40 | solar | it's not till Aug. |
| 18:58.55 | SpeedEvil | solar: making singing bouncy castles. |
| 18:59.01 | RobotGuy | solar: I would love to have Gentoo Embedded running on Hammer before September. |
| 18:59.15 | solar | SpeedEvil: I think the guidelines are strict for that.. They must use some RTOS and be compiled with ADA or so. |
| 18:59.41 | RobotGuy | I've also been looking into AI type programming languages. |
| 19:00.31 | prpplague | solar: if you are refering to the nail specifically, people are currently testing the beta's for use as security device for laptops |
| 19:00.40 | solar | RobotGuy: Thats the easy part tbh.. We had it running two weeks ago :) |
| 19:00.54 | prpplague | solar: usb packet sniffer or data collector |
| 19:01.03 | RobotGuy | solar: Very nice. :) The rest will just be my custom software and hardware then. |
| 19:01.08 | prpplague | solar: mobile desktop |
| 19:01.17 | SpeedEvil | mobile phone |
| 19:01.23 | SpeedEvil | (though a little bulky) |
| 19:01.24 | prpplague | solar: of course embedded linux development and testing |
| 19:01.45 | solar | that will lead you into bigger/smaller products hopefully. |
| 19:01.56 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 19:01.57 | solar | you guys pretty happy with the chip in general? |
| 19:02.12 | prpplague | solar: yea, the s3c2410 has been and is a good workhorse |
| 19:02.28 | RobotGuy | I like the Samsung chips. |
| 19:02.30 | prpplague | solar: although we are looking at arm11 and cortex-a8 chips now for future designs |
| 19:02.35 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: do you happen to have a datasheet for a s3c6100? |
| 19:02.38 | ds2 | ARMv4 :( |
| 19:02.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague: nice |
| 19:02.52 | RobotGuy | s3c6400? |
| 19:02.54 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: for the s3c6400 , yea |
| 19:03.07 | solar | anybody attempted a gnuabi toolchain for the hammer yet? |
| 19:03.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm having problems getting it - I need to setup a corporate website. |
| 19:03.35 | SpeedEvil | (and yes, the 6400) |
| 19:04.11 | RobotGuy | All these 'abi' toolchain types confuse me. |
| 19:04.52 | prpplague | solar: not sure exactly which toolchain you are refering to |
| 19:05.17 | prpplague | solar: are you refering to an eabi toolchain? |
| 19:05.37 | RobotGuy | Buildroot has OABI and EABI as options right now for toolchains. |
| 19:06.09 | RobotGuy | Default is OABI |
| 19:06.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, technically OABI is just ABI, but its easier to understand as OABI |
| 19:07.25 | RobotGuy | What is the difference between OABI and EABI? |
| 19:07.48 | ds2 | kernel calling, threading support, signals, and others |
| 19:08.21 | RobotGuy | Does it make a real difference which is used? |
| 19:08.30 | ds2 | yes |
| 19:08.42 | ds2 | segfaults and other bad things happen if you use the wrong one |
| 19:09.17 | ds2 | your userspace should always match or else you can't do systemcalls |
| 19:09.35 | solar | Word of mouth seems to be that EABI is supposed to be far superior for ARM these days. But.. dunno never really did a head to head test myself. |
| 19:09.36 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Application_binary_interface_.28ABI.29 |
| 19:09.55 | prpplague | solar: the s3c2410 and 2440 don't support EABI |
| 19:10.04 | solar | well that solves that question |
| 19:10.11 | RobotGuy | It certainly does. :) |
| 19:10.21 | ds2 | it is a thumb thing and they are ARMv4 |
| 19:10.38 | ds2 | bx and a few other things are just slightly different |
| 19:12.22 | RobotGuy | laughs at OpenSparc |
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| 19:22.52 | prpplague | actually it looks as though there are some armv4t patches out there for eabi support |
| 19:23.11 | prpplague | i don't believe anyone is using the s3c24xx series with eabi though |
| 19:25.22 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, odd. I thought I had made a bootable thumb drive. I guess I didn't. |
| 19:25.45 | prpplague | solar: the vast majority of eabi support has been targeted towards arm11 devices with armv6 |
| 19:26.27 | prpplague | solar: as well as the armv5te |
| 19:26.55 | prpplague | solar: most of the armv4 isa wasn't geared towards usage of eabi |
| 19:37.27 | prpplague | solar: yea looks like there are some patches for eabi on 920t but i'd stick with oabi and softfloat for best usage on the s3c2410 |
| 19:39.43 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, I have not been using softfloat enabled by default. |
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| 19:56.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Should I have the softfloat enabled by default selected? |
| 20:01.15 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah when you get to the gentoo part. crossdev arm-softfloat-linux-uclibc |
| 20:02.01 | RobotGuy | OK |
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| 20:09.18 | solar | might even be better to tweak the UCLIBC_CPU= variable for the best matching arm cpu selection |
| 20:09.27 | RobotGuy | I just noticed I am very low on disk space. :( |
| 20:09.32 | solar | otherwise I think it defaults to just arm |
| 20:09.57 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah you need atleast 1-2G |
| 20:10.42 | solar | less if you want to setup some advanced features and you got more bandwidth to burn than diskspace |
| 20:10.45 | RobotGuy | I just have to shuffle some stuff around. I am going to be doing a fresh install of Gentoo on this PC. |
| 20:11.07 | RobotGuy | Replacing Kubuntu |
| 20:11.30 | solar | RobotGuy: note. You don't have to have gentoo installed on / to be able to take advantage of one of our cross compile development environments |
| 20:12.06 | RobotGuy | solar: I'd rather just have Gentoo all the way. :) |
| 20:12.26 | solar | I can't blame ya for that :) |
| 20:15.33 | RobotGuy | I've gotten tired of the 'canned' distros. |
| 20:16.07 | RobotGuy | I haven't broken Buildroot under Gentoo yet. ;) |
| 20:17.27 | RobotGuy | waits for prpplague to shudder at the thought. :) |
| 20:26.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea softfloat has the best performance |
| 20:27.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: as long as you have your toolchain configured for armv4 support(i.e. arm920t) you should be fine |
| 20:32.23 | prpplague | ha very very dishearting |
| 20:32.46 | prpplague | if you go to the weather.com and type in el paso, texas, the page comes up in spanish |
| 20:33.00 | g1powermac | hah |
| 20:43.51 | prpplague | dijenerate: things a little calmer on the streets today? |
| 20:45.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, it is configured properly otherwise. |
| 20:47.43 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:51.14 | RobotGuy | OK, almost time to see how long it takes me to get Gentoo armed and running. |
| 20:51.55 | prpplague | can't decide to reload his laptop with f8 or f9 |
| 20:52.25 | prpplague | cd iso images are getting so hard to find |
| 20:55.22 | solar | RobotGuy: what is your host arch? amd64,x86,ppc* ? |
| 20:55.49 | solar | RobotGuy: I've got some tricks to save you many cpu cycles when getting started. |
| 20:57.08 | RobotGuy | solar: x86 |
| 20:57.46 | RobotGuy | AMD Athlon XP 2800+ to be exact |
| 20:58.45 | solar | using profile default-linux? ie standard stages and not hardened? |
| 20:59.11 | RobotGuy | Standard stage3 |
| 20:59.40 | solar | echo PORTAGE_BINHOST=http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/default-linux/x86/ >> /etc/make.conf |
| 21:00.39 | solar | emerge -Gupvq world |
| 21:01.28 | solar | that will fetch all the remote pkgs. Then you go edit your USE= flags. Set stuff all pretty like you like. then use the -N flag |
| 21:01.48 | RobotGuy | OK, great! |
| 21:01.55 | RobotGuy | solar: Thanks |
| 21:02.32 | solar | I can start adding kde and the likes so you can have those pulled in for you. |
| 21:03.04 | solar | or compile local. the -gGkK flags are the interesting ones for dealing with bins |
| 21:04.45 | solar | and when used with -N and or -D you can nearly any desired result of which to use. For our infrastructure we use -gN almost across the board |
| 21:06.10 | RobotGuy | I am going to install KDE4 |
| 21:06.35 | RobotGuy | I prefer to compile everything even though it takes longer. |
| 21:06.48 | RobotGuy | That way I can use MY set of USE flags. :) |
| 21:08.59 | RobotGuy | solar: Those are flags for emerge, right? |
| 21:13.35 | solar | -N is --newuse ; that means if your flags differ from the remote. Use local when using the -g option |
| 21:14.07 | RobotGuy | Good |
| 21:14.45 | RobotGuy | Is the "emerge -Gupvq world" to download binaries or source packages? |
| 21:14.58 | solar | the -g option is kinda slow. So what I tend to do is. emerge -portage-utils ; qmerge -f all ; emerge -kN foo |
| 21:16.39 | RobotGuy | foo would be the package I want to install. |
| 21:17.06 | RobotGuy | It's starting to come back to me. :) |
| 21:17.34 | solar | try this. |
| 21:17.36 | solar | emerge --help --verbose|grep -A5 -- -G |
| 21:18.33 | solar | lowercase -g for both |
| 21:19.29 | RobotGuy | OK, I am going to start my install now and get back using a command line IRC client as fast as I can. |
| 21:19.41 | RobotGuy | Anything else I should know before starting? |
| 21:19.53 | solar | oh. I thought you were already going |
| 21:20.11 | RobotGuy | No, not yet. Just getting ready to start on this PC. |
| 21:20.15 | solar | tip.. save your running kernel config before switching over |
| 21:20.29 | RobotGuy | I always have my sources on a different partition. :) |
| 21:21.05 | RobotGuy | I have /src and /Devel partitions :) |
| 21:21.15 | RobotGuy | OK, back as quick as I can be. |
| 21:21.16 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 21:21.28 | solar | gives you 20mins |
| 21:22.02 | g1powermac | 20mins till I fry his computer with 220v for the fun of it, ehh? ;-) |
| 21:22.44 | g1powermac | gotta torn electric stove power cord waiting ready to fry some more electronics ;-) |
| 21:27.49 | monmotha_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: shoot, there was a funny page i used to have book marked with various cables with a 110v connection on it each end |
| 21:28.06 | MothaWork | so ok, is there any reason why spinlocks are totally unusable on ARM < v6? |
| 21:28.19 | MothaWork | on x86, if you don't have SMP, they just turn into interrupts on/off |
| 21:37.24 | ds2 | MothaWork: no one has bothered to implement it outside of the RT patch? |
| 21:38.36 | MothaWork | heh, no I just screwed up and included asm/spinlock.h instead of linux/spinlock.h |
| 21:39.10 | MothaWork | asm/spinlock.h presumes SMP, while linux/spinlock.h has the more generic (non-SMP safe, but still correct for uniprocessor systems) implementation and it picks depending on if SMP is enabled |
| 21:39.31 | MothaWork | it's kinda hard to do kernel code without spinlocks, which is why I was wondering "WTF" |
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| 21:52.40 | ds2 | heh |
| 21:52.53 | ds2 | I think for some of the later ARMs, the SMP spinlocks have been implemented |
| 21:56.29 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 22:05.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 22:08.18 | CosmicPenguin | hi |
| 22:08.19 | CosmicPenguin | vpn died |
| 22:08.25 | prpplague | 7 million US citizens will no get a stimulus check because their spouse is does not have a SSN number and is in the process of getting a visa |
| 22:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | before I could get to it |
| 22:08.35 | CosmicPenguin | do you want mine? |
| 22:09.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:09.15 | CosmicPenguin | see, I'm a bad american |
| 22:09.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: your stimulus check? or visa? |
| 22:09.27 | CosmicPenguin | I'll just invest my check |
| 22:09.30 | CosmicPenguin | put it in savings |
| 22:09.42 | SpeedEvil | I'd spend mine on electronics goodies. |
| 22:09.50 | SpeedEvil | (if I was actually an american) |
| 22:10.10 | prpplague | luckly my wife got her ssn before we filed taxes this year |
| 22:12.14 | prpplague | http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_9210387 |
| 22:17.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: have you gotten yours yet? |
| 22:18.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: what do you need the s3c6400 datasheet for? |
| 22:19.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, not yet |
| 22:19.39 | prpplague | i'm scheduled for no later than june 6th |
| 22:20.00 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I was trying to get into the hardware discussion on the upcoming OM phone version - the one that's currently at the 'wouldn't it be nice' stage. They've picked that CPU - and most of the stuff round it. I'd like to be able to meaningfully comment on the mailing list based on more than guesswork and the 10 page doc. |
| 22:20.11 | SpeedEvil | OpenMoko |
| 22:20.26 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: OM is going to use the s3c6400 ? |
| 22:20.44 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 22:20.50 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i thought the freerunner is using the s3c2442 |
| 22:20.54 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 22:21.06 | SpeedEvil | But that's coming out (maybe) end of the month ish. |
| 22:21.14 | SpeedEvil | This is in planning stages. |
| 22:21.18 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:22.53 | prpplague | yea well i suspect that a s3c6400 based phone is way way off |
| 22:23.11 | prpplague | as primary support for the 6400 isn't even in the main tree yet |
| 22:23.58 | prpplague | heads home |
| 22:24.03 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess based on past history we're talking of at least 8 months. |
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| 23:12.33 | g1powermac | mulls over the actual usefulness of the GRE. . . |
| 23:12.42 | g1powermac | the math section is pathetic |
| 23:13.29 | g1powermac | actually some of the math problems are using info so old that I haven't used some of the principles since college algebra and subsequently forgot |
| 23:16.01 | g1powermac | and the verbal part of the exam is really based alot on the size of your vocabulary |
| 23:16.33 | SpeedEvil | glass-reinforced epoxy? |
| 23:16.38 | SpeedEvil | google fails. |
| 23:16.47 | g1powermac | I really don't see the point of this exam |
| 23:17.28 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:17.42 | SpeedEvil | Statistitians think they know shit. |
| 23:20.14 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. I remember scoring really poorly on one exam, simply as I had never been exposed to Cricket. |
| 23:20.53 | SpeedEvil | So I simply couldn't do the reading comprehension, as the description made no sense whatsoever in the lack of that knowledge. |
| 23:21.02 | SpeedEvil | one section of an exam that is. |
| 23:29.10 | g1powermac | yea |
| 23:29.20 | g1powermac | its stupid really |
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| 23:41.20 | g1powermac | well, that was way more than 20 mins. . . |
| 23:41.44 | g1powermac | gets to fry RobotGuy's machine with 220v from a torn electric stove power cord, bwahahahaha ;-) |
| 23:42.14 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hey, I have anti g1powermac armor on my PC |
| 23:42.41 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I had technical difficulties and I am still not running Gentoo. :( |
| 23:42.52 | g1powermac | bah, the burning copy of a GRE test takes care of that ;-) |
| 23:43.13 | g1powermac | yes, I got issues ;-) |
| 23:43.30 | RobotGuy | The saying goes something like this: What could go wrong, did.. |
| 23:43.43 | SpeedEvil | For any of you using the EEEPC and SSH - the stock OS has the openssh oops as it's debian derived |
| 23:43.46 | g1powermac | ahh, good ole Murphy's law |
| 23:44.25 | RobotGuy | Yeah, that's the dude |
| 23:45.04 | RobotGuy | glares at Murphy |
| 23:46.39 | g1powermac | ponders if there's anyone here with the first name of Murphy. . . |
| 23:46.51 | RobotGuy | That would be too funny |
| 23:47.02 | g1powermac | or is that a last name. . . |
| 23:47.06 | g1powermac | either way |
| 23:47.20 | RobotGuy | However, I did install the latest Kubuntu 8.04 and KDE 4.x |
| 23:47.41 | RobotGuy | It would still be funny. |
| 23:48.09 | MonMotha | hey now, my debian-generated SSH user key pair doesn't have that problem! |
| 23:48.20 | MonMotha | it's too old, which is probably another problem |
| 23:49.32 | RobotGuy | The first thing that happened is I blew away my former /home partition. |
| 23:49.49 | RobotGuy | Then I realized I had no current stage3 tarball for Gentoo |
| 23:49.54 | g1powermac | ouch |
| 23:50.07 | RobotGuy | It kind of went downhill from there. |
| 23:50.32 | RobotGuy | Good news is I did NOT blow away my /Devel and /src and /xfiles partitions. |
| 23:50.54 | g1powermac | loved what happened when he reinstalled debian on his machine |
| 23:51.01 | RobotGuy | What happened? |
| 23:51.15 | g1powermac | something funkatated happened between me and their main repositories |
| 23:51.24 | g1powermac | screwing up the install every single time |
| 23:51.45 | RobotGuy | Unfortunately, all the notes I saved from chatting with solar earlier were on /home which went bye bye. :( |
| 23:51.51 | g1powermac | the second I changed to one of their other non-standard main repos it worked fine |
| 23:52.17 | g1powermac | of course it took about 10 installs before i figured that out |
| 23:52.32 | RobotGuy | Nothing that happened was any fault of Gentoo. It was all my own stupidity and getting in a hurry. |
| 23:52.48 | RobotGuy | I've been there, done that, got a few t-shirts. |
| 23:53.32 | RobotGuy | The REALLY bad thing is I lost ALL of my e-mail. :( :( |
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| 23:58.48 | RobotGuy | BRB |
| 23:59.10 | g1powermac | ouch |
| 23:59.50 | RobotGuy | Yeah, ALL e-mail gone. Not real happy with myself about that |