| 00:00.41 | RobotGuy | compiles a kernel |
| 00:01.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:01.52 | prpplague | grew up with the spaghetti westerns |
| 00:02.51 | RobotGuy | I remember those |
| 00:03.09 | RobotGuy | I always laugh when I watch Blazing Saddles. |
| 00:03.35 | RobotGuy | sends prpplague a Blazing Saddles DVD |
| 00:03.50 | prpplague | not sure that blazing saddles is considered a spaghetti western |
| 00:04.03 | RobotGuy | Probably not, but it's still funny. :) |
| 00:04.36 | RobotGuy | Good thing I checked my kernel arch and processor type. It never would have worked setup like it was. |
| 00:04.50 | prpplague | i have to watch high plains drifter during the dya |
| 00:04.52 | prpplague | day |
| 00:04.58 | prpplague | i find it way too spooky |
| 00:05.18 | RobotGuy | I can't watch spooking movies at night. |
| 00:05.30 | prpplague | sunday afternoon in the summer |
| 00:05.40 | RobotGuy | I'm not much of a horror fan because of that, unless I have somebody to hold my hand. |
| 00:05.51 | prpplague | yea i don't like slice-n-dice |
| 00:06.10 | RobotGuy | I am not into those gratutous slicing movies. |
| 00:06.11 | prpplague | but high plains drifter is a really interesting movie |
| 00:06.20 | RobotGuy | gratuitous even |
| 00:06.44 | prpplague | you find High Plains Drifer gratuitous? |
| 00:08.35 | RobotGuy | I don't think I've ever seen that one. Was just saying I don't like the gratuitous killing and slicing movies. |
| 00:08.42 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:08.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy come on, how old are you? |
| 00:09.12 | RobotGuy | I have a birthday tomorrow. You'll never guess which one. |
| 00:09.22 | prpplague | 29 or 59 ? |
| 00:09.30 | RobotGuy | Between |
| 00:09.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:09.48 | prpplague | 39 or 49? |
| 00:10.01 | RobotGuy | Ummm, dang, over |
| 00:10.09 | prpplague | ~lart RobotGuy |
| 00:10.09 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that RobotGuy is stuck to the floor |
| 00:10.18 | prpplague | come on! you are old enough |
| 00:10.37 | RobotGuy | Old enough to know better and have fun anyways. :P |
| 00:10.39 | prpplague | you should have seen all of the spaghetti westerns and the "man with no name" movies |
| 00:10.52 | RobotGuy | I love those Man with No Name movies. |
| 00:11.05 | RobotGuy | Those are classics |
| 00:11.15 | prpplague | high plains drifter is one of the "man with no name" movies |
| 00:11.27 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, maybe I have seen it then. |
| 00:11.52 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_with_no_name |
| 00:12.50 | RobotGuy | I have to have seen High Planes Driver, because I've seen all the others. |
| 00:13.47 | RobotGuy | I think I figured out what messed my last Gentoo installation up. |
| 00:13.55 | RobotGuy | I didn't read the fine print. |
| 00:14.14 | RobotGuy | genkernel does not work with reiserfs |
| 00:14.15 | prpplague | In one episode of The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Tigger featured in a Wild West parody as an outlaw wanted for stealing a train. He called himself "The Tigger with No Name", while his sidekick, Pooh, called himself "The Pooh with A Name (if only [he] could remember what it was)". |
| 00:14.38 | RobotGuy | Ha ha ha |
| 00:14.50 | RobotGuy | Gotta love that Pooh |
| 00:15.00 | RobotGuy | And Tigger too! |
| 00:15.32 | RobotGuy | I want to see WallE. A guy is building his own WallE robot. |
| 00:15.38 | prpplague | sergio leone should have honorary cowboy status |
| 00:15.43 | RobotGuy | I also want to see Iron Man |
| 00:16.12 | RobotGuy | I'm always amazed at the range of characters Clint Eastwood has played and can play. |
| 00:16.33 | prpplague | hehe, i'm more impressed with the director and music |
| 00:18.40 | prpplague | GPSFan all your new critters hatched/birth'd ? |
| 00:20.04 | RobotGuy | GPSFan has critters? |
| 00:21.04 | prpplague | notes that GPSFan has a giant farm |
| 00:22.48 | RobotGuy | I never pictured GPSFan as a farmer. |
| 00:23.09 | ds2 | critters like the little termintes and ants? ;) |
| 00:23.41 | prpplague | ds2 iirc sheep, goats, cows |
| 00:23.45 | prpplague | that kind of stuff |
| 00:24.55 | ds2 | big critters |
| 00:25.01 | prpplague | hmm anyone know mike frysingers nick on irc? |
| 00:26.34 | RobotGuy | Who is he? |
| 00:28.36 | prpplague | embedded linux developer with analog devices |
| 00:28.54 | ds2 | blackfin dude? |
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| 00:30.58 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: oh, want to let you know #openmosix is now #linuxpmi |
| 00:31.12 | g1powermac_PB | we just now officially forked it |
| 00:31.30 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB Oh, OK. Why the change? |
| 00:32.05 | RobotGuy | Are there any Blackfins that handle more than 4 MB Flash? |
| 00:32.08 | g1powermac_PB | cause technically the devs left on the project were not the original owner of the openmosix name |
| 00:32.29 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Ah, OK, makes sense then. |
| 00:32.51 | g1powermac_PB | and the owner has called openmosix dead |
| 00:33.02 | g1powermac_PB | even though there's still some development work going on |
| 00:33.06 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmmm. |
| 00:33.56 | RobotGuy | Oooooh, this Gentoo install is going much better so far. |
| 00:34.11 | g1powermac_PB | cool |
| 00:34.18 | RobotGuy | I just hope my new kernel works. |
| 00:34.58 | prpplague | samuelr: ping |
| 00:36.54 | RobotGuy | notes that he is NOT a Senior Citizen yet. |
| 00:39.16 | RobotGuy | If this keeps going well, I just might be able to get Gentoo-Embedded to work for me. |
| 00:41.32 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | I really want to use Gentoo Embedded on my robots. |
| 00:42.37 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | prpplague: I am going to be starting to work on a new robot project with Robert Sheer soon. |
| 00:43.36 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | prpplague: And I am starting to do Hammer tutorials on the Trossen Robotics forums (new Tutorial section). |
| 00:43.44 | prpplague | good deal |
| 00:45.11 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | They are eventually planning to open up a whole embedded systems section on their forums. |
| 00:46.47 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | prpplague: Do you think an iPAQ RX3715 could be hacked to be a console for Hammer? |
| 00:47.24 | roxfan | afaik all ipaqs have serial ports |
| 00:47.28 | roxfan | why not? |
| 00:48.09 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | It would be cool to be able to use it for that. Perfect small remote console for hammer and not too expensive if one can be gotten off eBay. |
| 00:48.33 | g1powermac_PB | how much would it cost? |
| 00:48.48 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | g1powermac_PB: They have been going for around $200.00 |
| 00:49.08 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 00:49.18 | g1powermac_PB | you could use a zipit for that too |
| 00:49.24 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | True. |
| 00:49.25 | g1powermac_PB | for $100 less |
| 00:49.27 | roxfan | you could try an older palm, not sure if those can be hacked for serial though |
| 00:49.36 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | Does ZipIt have a camera? |
| 00:49.44 | g1powermac_PB | not yet. . . |
| 00:50.06 | g1powermac_PB | got lots of stuff planned for my zipit once prpplague is done with mine :-) |
| 00:50.07 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | I want something with a camera. And the RX3715 happens to have an S3C2440A in it. |
| 00:51.44 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | ZipIT does have more processing power though. |
| 00:52.02 | g1powermac_PB | well, that can be debated, I think |
| 00:52.16 | g1powermac_PB | what it does have is a keyboard |
| 00:52.28 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | Actually, I think the RX3715 may come out faster than the ZipIt. |
| 00:52.47 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | Any USB keyboard and mouse would do. |
| 00:54.22 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | Besides, I am already using Hammer, so it makes sense to stay with Samsung processors. |
| 00:55.19 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | There are other processors I would really like to use though, but they are all in BGA except the AVR32 AP7001 (208 QFP). |
| 00:55.32 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 00:57.29 | GPSFan | prpplague: not yet, we are in the "lull" between rams, next fri is the official start of the secondaries, then it's about 2 weeks, or untill they are all done. |
| 00:59.07 | GPSFan | RobotGuy-Gentoo: not really a giant farm, 40 acres. apple orchard, sheep, horses, chickens, geese, cats, dogs... |
| 00:59.27 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: nice |
| 00:59.39 | g1powermac_PB | would love to have an orchard |
| 01:00.03 | g1powermac_PB | I got a couple of mini-dwarf apple trees in some pots on the deck |
| 01:00.05 | ds2 | GPSFan: what region is the farm in? |
| 01:00.18 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: untill the buds all freeze, or the worms eat into all the apples, or..... |
| 01:00.27 | GPSFan | ds2: western colorado. |
| 01:00.40 | ds2 | oh nice, snow's gone yet? |
| 01:00.45 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: heh, that is true |
| 01:01.05 | g1powermac_PB | I had to drag in the 70lb pots to prevent freeze damage this season |
| 01:01.13 | g1powermac_PB | as we had such late freezes |
| 01:01.37 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | Moment of truth time - reboot to see if this Gentoo install works. |
| 01:01.39 | GPSFan | snow's been gone at my altitude for a while, but up higher it's still around |
| 01:01.51 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | /quit REBOOTING for Gentoo |
| 01:02.56 | g1powermac_PB | loves fresh fruit though |
| 01:03.32 | g1powermac_PB | I eat an orange, apple, peach, blueberries, strawberries, and blackberries every day :-) |
| 01:03.59 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: this area has some of the best fruit in the country, esp. cherries, peaches, cherries, apples, cherries. .... did I say cherries? |
| 01:04.39 | g1powermac_PB | heh, I'd like to try a good fresh cherry |
| 01:05.02 | ds2 | cherries should be ripening soon |
| 01:05.14 | ds2 | along with the peaches and necterines |
| 01:05.31 | g1powermac_PB | mmmm, peaches |
| 01:05.32 | GPSFan | everything is late this year. long cold winter, won't have cherries till after july 4 |
| 01:05.49 | g1powermac_PB | man, I love a good ripe peach :-) |
| 01:05.54 | ds2 | oh :( |
| 01:06.10 | ds2 | out here things seems to be on schedule barring another sudden cold week |
| 01:06.14 | g1powermac_PB | yea, we got issues here too with that |
| 01:06.27 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: can't beat tree ripened. |
| 01:06.48 | g1powermac_PB | alot of the farmers here have late crops due to the cold weather |
| 01:07.00 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I can imagine |
| 01:07.26 | g1powermac_PB | is thinking of getting a dwarf nectarine tree |
| 01:07.43 | g1powermac_PB | for next year, it grows like a bush instead of a tree |
| 01:08.02 | ds2 | the one I have is bigger then a bush |
| 01:08.47 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?ProductID=C540 |
| 01:09.38 | ds2 | *shrug* mine was labeled as dwarf and it is 2x that size |
| 01:10.09 | g1powermac_PB | heh, yea, some can be called dwarf and still be big |
| 01:10.18 | g1powermac_PB | some dwarf apples can get pretty big |
| 01:11.57 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: our apple trees came from here: http://www.starkbros.com. they were planted 103 years ago. and are about 50 years past their prime, but they still produce great apples. |
| 01:12.18 | ds2 | try that with a 50year old peach tree ;) |
| 01:12.38 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: wow, cool |
| 01:13.10 | GPSFan | they have been business since 1816 |
| 01:13.22 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: at our new house, I'll be making a nice big garden full of berries and fruit |
| 01:13.30 | GPSFan | fairly young by european standards though. |
| 01:13.33 | g1powermac_PB | it has a halfway decent sized yard |
| 01:13.59 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: cool. |
| 01:14.16 | markus | pi |
| 01:14.30 | g1powermac_PB | which reminds me, I really need to get some holly tone for my two blueberry plants I have. . . |
| 01:14.37 | g1powermac_PB | ph is really too high for them |
| 01:16.16 | g1powermac_PB | ponders if this is the most off topic discussion here on this channel :-) |
| 01:16.54 | ds2 | blueberries are a pain when the local enviroment is ph 8 :( |
| 01:17.18 | ds2 | got to have a little micro controller to control watering and acidifying ;) |
| 01:17.21 | ds2 | there back on topic |
| 01:18.01 | g1powermac_PB | yea, got that problem here |
| 01:18.10 | g1powermac_PB | massive limestone country here |
| 01:18.20 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: where is that? |
| 01:18.20 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: I haven't even looked at the apex code for a week, maybe later this weekend, |
| 01:18.24 | g1powermac_PB | Kentucky |
| 01:18.39 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: k |
| 01:18.55 | GPSFan | cul |
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| 01:32.17 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 01:32.32 | g1powermac_PB | no go? |
| 01:32.44 | RobotGuy | It boots just fine, but I can't login. |
| 01:32.52 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, thats odd |
| 01:33.05 | RobotGuy | I don't know the root password |
| 01:33.33 | g1powermac_PB | shouldn't be too hard to fix |
| 01:33.45 | RobotGuy | I don't know how to fix this. |
| 01:33.45 | g1powermac_PB | just boot into single user mode and fix the password |
| 01:34.33 | RobotGuy | I can't remember how to get into single user mode |
| 01:35.16 | g1powermac_PB | a quick google search should reveal that |
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| 01:42.06 | RobotGuy | Pffffft |
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| 03:16.45 | RobotGuy | returns |
| 03:27.12 | RobotGuy-Gentoo | agaffney: ping |
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| 14:03.19 | markus | there should be a ccache for antivirus scanning. |
| 14:03.31 | markus | i don't know if there is. |
| 14:04.27 | markus | but it doesn't work if the db is uptaded... |
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| 15:02.56 | RobotGuy | clear |
| 15:39.29 | solar | roger |
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| 16:01.47 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hey there |
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| 16:25.12 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 16:25.18 | prpplague | merry freakin saturday |
| 16:26.27 | T0mW | prpplague: bah |
| 16:41.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Greetings! |
| 16:42.50 | prpplague | whats cookin folks? |
| 16:43.39 | RobotGuy | I'm just building stuff for Gentoo. Takes time. |
| 16:43.59 | RobotGuy | How are you doing today? |
| 16:45.22 | prpplague | cranky |
| 16:45.41 | prpplague | gotta go and drive my stepdaughter 2.5 hours away to visit some of her father's relatives |
| 16:46.40 | RobotGuy | You need some time to play. |
| 16:47.22 | prpplague | june 2 thru july 1 |
| 16:47.25 | prpplague | play time |
| 16:47.44 | RobotGuy | Cool. |
| 16:48.11 | prpplague | wife and kids are going to barbados to visit relatives |
| 16:48.19 | prpplague | so i'll have the house to myself for 4 week |
| 16:48.27 | RobotGuy | I almost have all the hardware for my robot wired up. |
| 16:48.31 | RobotGuy | There ya go! |
| 16:48.33 | prpplague | lovely |
| 16:49.17 | RobotGuy | I am hoping Hammer-RDP goes ready soon so I can put it on the robot - will make interfacing much easier. |
| 16:49.46 | RobotGuy | I'm going to use Gentoo Embedded for my robot if all goes well. |
| 16:49.55 | RobotGuy | solar is helping me along with that. :) |
| 16:50.29 | prpplague | which reminds me, i need to check and see if solar is on linkedin |
| 16:50.49 | RobotGuy | What is that? |
| 16:59.31 | prpplague | www.linkedin.com |
| 17:00.05 | RobotGuy | Ah, OK. |
| 17:01.00 | RobotGuy | If I can get Gentoo Embedded on Hammer, solor wants to link to my website as a real life example. :D:D |
| 17:01.07 | prpplague | more or less facebook for professional people |
| 17:01.08 | RobotGuy | solar even |
| 17:01.14 | RobotGuy | Ah, got it. |
| 17:02.46 | RobotGuy | I have met so many cool people since I started doing embedded stuff. :) I wish I could meet everyone in person. |
| 17:13.31 | RobotGuy | People like you, Rusty, solar, many here and around on various channels. |
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| 17:56.36 | solar | anybody using an HTC wizard? |
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| 19:55.51 | knightsilver | Hi.. wheres a good place to start reading? |
| 19:58.05 | RobotGuy | What are you trying to do? |
| 19:58.46 | knightsilver | Id like to modify or otherwise hack a small consumer electronic device? |
| 19:58.55 | knightsilver | it weighs about 8 lbs and uses about 24 watts an hour |
| 19:59.03 | knightsilver | so.. where is a good place to start reading, ? |
| 19:59.57 | knightsilver | RobotGuy, did you leave? |
| 20:04.26 | RobotGuy | I am here |
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| 20:06.24 | knightsilver | robotguy well, i have several devices i can sacricice to the pursuit of knowledge, but i thought a small handheld game might be the most fun. |
| 20:10.52 | RobotGuy | I think it depends on what you want to do with the device and what processor it has in it. |
| 20:11.42 | RobotGuy | I really only know how to develop for the Hammer right now, so may not be much help. |
| 20:12.37 | knightsilver | RobotGuy, ok.. well this one here .. has 3 ics that im not sure which is the processor |
| 20:12.44 | knightsilver | RobotGuy, theres no heatsink |
| 20:13.20 | knightsilver | one is a nt55v8m16fs-758 , one is a samsung 725 K8d6316ubm p107 , and one is a tenetd7200zdw73a288w E |
| 20:13.37 | knightsilver | the tnetd7200zdw73a288w e is the largest and has the most pcb channels |
| 20:14.30 | RobotGuy | I have no idea what all that means, sorry. |
| 20:14.52 | knightsilver | they're labels on the chips |
| 20:15.07 | knightsilver | im not sure how to tell which one is the processor, and you said it depends what processor it has in it |
| 20:15.47 | RobotGuy | I can not help you with this, sorry. |
| 20:16.29 | knightsilver | ok |
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| 21:41.51 | roxfan | knightsilver, you have pics? |
| 21:43.33 | knightsilver | roxfan of which one? |
| 21:43.51 | roxfan | of whatever one you described |
| 21:44.08 | roxfan | board pics, that is |
| 21:44.16 | knightsilver | ok yes i have pics now |
| 21:44.30 | knightsilver | i dont know where my phone usb cable is though, so it will be a few minutes while i email it to myself |
| 21:49.43 | knightsilver | roxfan my phone isnt letting me send email .. i have to call customer support during regular business hours of 6 am CST to 9 PM CST monday through friday |
| 21:49.53 | roxfan | o.o |
| 21:51.28 | knightsilver | the automated lady hung up after saying that :( |
| 21:51.45 | roxfan | Texas Instrument TNETD7200 Single Chip Network Processor/AFE/Line Driver Chipset. |
| 21:52.21 | roxfan | not sure what you can do with this one |
| 22:05.38 | knightsilver | ok. |
| 22:05.57 | knightsilver | well.. can i use it to maybe do some sort of packet filtering/firewalling? |
| 22:06.04 | knightsilver | or maybe make a tftp boot server? |
| 22:06.31 | RobotGuy | You have to be able to create a toolchain for the processor. That may nnot be possible in all cases. |
| 22:06.52 | knightsilver | hmn I see |
| 22:06.57 | RobotGuy | A device like a PDA would be a better choice. |
| 22:07.00 | knightsilver | that sounds difficult. |
| 22:07.17 | RobotGuy | Creating a toolchain is not as difficult as it sounds. |
| 22:07.18 | knightsilver | robotguy is there a reason to use a toolchain instead of an interpreter to the machine code/logic? |
| 22:07.23 | knightsilver | ok |
| 22:07.28 | knightsilver | how do i learn to build toolchains? |
| 22:07.42 | RobotGuy | You have to be able to compile code for your target processor. |
| 22:07.49 | knightsilver | Ok.. |
| 22:07.59 | knightsilver | anything else? |
| 22:08.05 | RobotGuy | What do you mean by interpreter? |
| 22:08.33 | knightsilver | i mean an interpreter as a utility that takes instructions in one language and inteprets them into a language understood by the processer executing their functions? |
| 22:08.55 | knightsilver | such as a fotran interpreter could take a program written in fortran, and run it on a processor such as a 486 |
| 22:09.06 | RobotGuy | That's a cross compiler. |
| 22:09.08 | knightsilver | no |
| 22:09.11 | knightsilver | that's an interpreter. |
| 22:09.17 | knightsilver | it doesnt compile anything |
| 22:09.23 | knightsilver | the program is read into the interpreter |
| 22:09.49 | knightsilver | and then written to memory, and the processor reads it as operable code |
| 22:09.54 | RobotGuy | Interpreter is the wrong word for that. It's a compiler. An interpreter runs on the processor usually and you input code directly, like in the case of Python and Forth. |
| 22:09.55 | knightsilver | and executes the program |
| 22:10.03 | knightsilver | the original program is unchanged in the program language |
| 22:10.29 | knightsilver | robotguy, interpreter is the word used since before home computing existed.. |
| 22:10.35 | knightsilver | why should it be changed to compiler, now? |
| 22:10.58 | RobotGuy | The interpreter still has to conver the program to code the processor can undrestand. The interpreter runs ON the processor. |
| 22:11.10 | knightsilver | yes.. |
| 22:11.24 | knightsilver | but the interpreter doesnt alter the program, or its code |
| 22:11.26 | RobotGuy | A compiler creates code for the processor that is all ready to run as is. |
| 22:11.31 | zoidb | an interpreter would read something like bytecode |
| 22:11.39 | knightsilver | it just interprets it to the appropriate processor instructions |
| 22:11.47 | zoidb | not human readable source code |
| 22:11.48 | knightsilver | robotguy and therein lies a huge difference. |
| 22:11.56 | knightsilver | compiled code probably executes much more quickly |
| 22:11.57 | RobotGuy | You are still confusing interpreter and compiler. |
| 22:12.12 | RobotGuy | Yes, compiled code runs faster than interpreted code. |
| 22:12.24 | knightsilver | and the question is, why couldnt i use interpreted code. |
| 22:12.32 | RobotGuy | The advantage of interpreted code is you can make changes and see the results immediately. |
| 22:12.34 | knightsilver | obviously the interpreter would have to be compiled for the target processor |
| 22:12.57 | RobotGuy | You still have to have an interpreter that runs on your processor. |
| 22:13.06 | roxfan | http://wiki.openwrt.org/CategoryAR7Device is yours any of these? |
| 22:13.15 | knightsilver | loading |
| 22:13.42 | RobotGuy | Python and Forth are interpreted languages. C/C++ is compiled. |
| 22:14.07 | knightsilver | roxfan no |
| 22:14.22 | roxfan | nothing close? |
| 22:14.29 | knightsilver | item 8 and 9 are close |
| 22:14.43 | roxfan | then it's probably an AR7 |
| 22:14.50 | knightsilver | Ok |
| 22:14.54 | knightsilver | is that good or bad? |
| 22:15.33 | roxfan | there is some support for that cpu in openwrt |
| 22:15.39 | roxfan | browse around the site |
| 22:15.48 | knightsilver | i'm reading those 2 close docs |
| 22:15.54 | knightsilver | internally they dont look like the same boards |
| 22:15.59 | knightsilver | but i recognize many similiar components |
| 22:16.30 | knightsilver | ok i'll read up more. |
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| 22:27.30 | knightsilver | roxfan, so basically you re-flash the bios firmware? |
| 22:30.08 | knightsilver | im gonna have to practice this a bit, thanks |
| 22:31.04 | knightsilver | do i have to be using linux to do this? |
| 22:31.30 | knightsilver | or can windows be swift enough, ? |
| 22:32.15 | knightsilver | meh |
| 22:32.25 | knightsilver | im gonna have to get my networking working in linux before i can do this :( |
| 22:32.29 | knightsilver | ok i'll be back later, thanks guys |
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