| 00:00.19 | g1powermac_PB | small trees, only about 5ft tall |
| 00:00.34 | g1powermac_PB | but they're mini-dwarfs |
| 00:01.01 | SpeedEvil | how old? |
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| 00:01.25 | g1powermac_PB | think only a few years |
| 00:03.06 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: do the centers of the brown spots fall out leaving a hole? |
| 00:03.29 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, in certain areas, yea |
| 00:03.57 | GPSFan | http://www.ext.nodak.edu/county/cass/horticulture/fruit/insdis.htm possibly Cane Spot. |
| 00:04.06 | g1powermac_PB | there areas that seem like bug damage |
| 00:04.50 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: oops my bad that's for rasberries. ;P |
| 00:05.05 | g1powermac_PB | :-) |
| 00:05.05 | SpeedEvil | http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/problem-solving/ |
| 00:05.30 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: if you already have aphids, it may be related. |
| 00:05.43 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: yup, looks very similar to that |
| 00:05.49 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I was thinking that |
| 00:05.57 | g1powermac_PB | there's definitely aphids on the new leaves |
| 00:06.11 | g1powermac_PB | and some other black insects, could be aphids too |
| 00:06.22 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/problem-solving/apple-and-pear-scab/ |
| 00:07.05 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: hmm, it doesn't look like that |
| 00:07.16 | g1powermac_PB | it looks very similar to the link SpeedEvil mentioned |
| 00:07.35 | g1powermac_PB | wishes he had his camera here at the new house. . .still have it at the old house |
| 00:08.45 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: this? http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/problem-solving/feature.jpg |
| 00:08.58 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 00:09.14 | g1powermac_PB | lots of dots, brownish in color |
| 00:10.08 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: best thing is to take some good pictures, and seek out your extension agent and ask there. failing to find one post the pictures and I can ask ours. |
| 00:10.38 | g1powermac_PB | k, will hopefully be able to do that early next week |
| 00:10.48 | g1powermac_PB | first I must take care of the aphid problem though |
| 00:11.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep |
| 00:11.42 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: ddt |
| 00:12.30 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: or look at all the above problems of fruit trees with a bit cut off to compare |
| 00:12.32 | g1powermac_PB | heh, I was more thinking along the lines of an insecticidal soap :-) |
| 00:12.44 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: and the natural history |
| 00:14.38 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: http://www.ca.uky.edu/county/ |
| 00:18.19 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, interesting |
| 00:20.46 | g1powermac_PB | ok, my trees definitely have some of this: http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/problem-solving/capsid-bugs/ |
| 00:25.33 | g1powermac_PB | I think it all might be related to the capsid bugs plus the aphids |
| 00:30.18 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, heard back from the circuitspecialist people about my backordered soldering iron tip |
| 00:30.30 | g1powermac_PB | they said they should have it in a month |
| 00:30.57 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if he should wait the month or tell them to ship me the slightly larger tip. . . |
| 00:34.46 | g1powermac_PB | from this: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8422 |
| 00:34.59 | g1powermac_PB | to this: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8420 |
| 00:40.28 | g1powermac_PB | what do you guys think? |
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| 00:55.32 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 01:10.20 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hi |
| 01:11.02 | RobotGuy | How goes the unpacking? |
| 01:11.03 | g1powermac_PB | I got my order from circuitspecialists today |
| 01:11.07 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 01:11.15 | g1powermac_PB | the stuff is awesome |
| 01:11.17 | RobotGuy | I get my new hammer tomorrow. :) |
| 01:11.34 | g1powermac_PB | the soldering iron heats up to temp in about 5 seconds |
| 01:11.45 | RobotGuy | That's about the same as mine. |
| 01:12.01 | g1powermac_PB | and the free dmm is just super pro looking :-) |
| 01:12.16 | RobotGuy | Cool. Mine is made by a local company. :) |
| 01:12.31 | g1powermac_PB | my old iron took about 5 mins to heat up ;-) |
| 01:12.39 | RobotGuy | I know about those. |
| 01:12.59 | g1powermac_PB | brb |
| 01:13.10 | RobotGuy | I need to get myself one of those magifying lights, abiut $50.00 locally. |
| 01:32.29 | SpeedEvil | I've been liking using my webcam for that |
| 01:33.02 | SpeedEvil | point webcam at thing, display on screen. |
| 01:38.23 | RobotGuy | My screen isn't convenient to where my work area is. |
| 01:51.07 | g1powermac_PB | so what do you guys think I should do with the soldering iron tip situation? |
| 01:52.03 | RobotGuy | What are you wanting to do now, solder small chips? |
| 01:52.29 | g1powermac_PB | well, here's the issue |
| 01:52.45 | g1powermac_PB | the tip I wanted from circuitspecialists is back ordered for a month |
| 01:53.03 | RobotGuy | That's not good. |
| 01:53.07 | g1powermac_PB | however, I can get the next size up tip now |
| 01:53.16 | g1powermac_PB | from this: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8422 |
| 01:53.21 | g1powermac_PB | to this: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8420 |
| 01:54.18 | g1powermac_PB | wondering if thats going to serve me as well as the really small one |
| 01:54.20 | RobotGuy | .2mm to .4mm? |
| 01:55.03 | g1powermac_PB | .1mm to .2mm |
| 01:55.16 | RobotGuy | It shows radius, not diameter in the drawings. |
| 01:55.30 | g1powermac_PB | doh |
| 01:55.42 | RobotGuy | :) |
| 01:55.49 | RobotGuy | Gotcha |
| 01:55.49 | g1powermac_PB | was wondering what the R stood for ;-) |
| 01:56.25 | RobotGuy | Will .4mm allow you to solder the stuff you want to solder? |
| 01:57.05 | g1powermac_PB | well, when dealing with .5mm pitch devices, it could cause issues |
| 01:57.44 | g1powermac_PB | this is the tip it came with: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8419 |
| 02:00.18 | RobotGuy | Well, 0.4mm is less than 0.5mm, so it seems like it should be OK. |
| 02:01.07 | g1powermac_PB | true, but .2mm gives more wiggle room :-) |
| 02:01.12 | RobotGuy | Don't take my word for it though. |
| 02:01.25 | RobotGuy | Yes, the smaller tip would give more wiggle room. |
| 02:01.31 | g1powermac_PB | sigh, now I'm really not sure which to choose |
| 02:01.47 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: ping |
| 02:05.59 | MonMotha | pong |
| 02:06.06 | RobotGuy | Ah, good. |
| 02:06.29 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Will a 0.4mm tip work good for soldering .5mm pitch parts? |
| 02:06.34 | MonMotha | sure |
| 02:06.38 | MonMotha | I use a 1.5mm tip |
| 02:06.43 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: There is your answer. |
| 02:07.37 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Thanks. How are things this evening? |
| 02:08.37 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: what style soldering do you use? |
| 02:08.38 | MonMotha | fine |
| 02:08.45 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: well, it involves lots of flux |
| 02:09.05 | g1powermac_PB | and lots of solder wick? |
| 02:09.52 | g1powermac_PB | has done the slather in solder and remove with wick style before, not the easiest |
| 02:10.10 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: I don't normally need to wick |
| 02:10.24 | g1powermac_PB | and can't really be done with qfn chips |
| 02:10.34 | MonMotha | if you lay the PCB out right, you can normally make drag soldering work with minimal bridging on even 0.5m parts |
| 02:10.47 | MonMotha | then what you do is give yourself some extra pad area to draw away bridges using just the iron, no wick |
| 02:10.51 | MonMotha | I'm told it can be done on QFNs |
| 02:10.58 | MonMotha | same layout procedures apply |
| 02:11.01 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 02:11.07 | g1powermac_PB | interesting |
| 02:11.19 | RobotGuy | Ooh, those CC2431's are QFN, aren't they? |
| 02:11.25 | g1powermac_PB | yupper |
| 02:11.30 | RobotGuy | Eeeeeeeeeeek |
| 02:12.07 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: I have never attempted to do a QFN with that style, mind you |
| 02:12.10 | MonMotha | but I'm told it can be done |
| 02:12.11 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: now you see why I wanted the super small tip :-) |
| 02:12.20 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I see now. |
| 02:12.31 | MonMotha | if you pre-flux the part or PCB, it'll tend to wick in the solder as you apply it to the exposed portion of the pad |
| 02:13.03 | g1powermac_PB | did get a nice syringe full of solder from circuitspecialists |
| 02:13.15 | g1powermac_PB | err, solder *flux |
| 02:14.17 | g1powermac_PB | it even came with a needle like applicator. . .who wants a shot of flux? ;-) |
| 02:14.24 | MonMotha | I've found that teeny tiny tips are often overrated by those new to soldering |
| 02:14.33 | MonMotha | it's not the size of the tip, it's how you use it :) |
| 02:14.55 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:16.27 | RobotGuy | Well, I think I have officially mucked up Gentoo. |
| 02:16.53 | g1powermac_PB | gives RobotGuy a shot of flux ;-) |
| 02:18.06 | RobotGuy | I am so stupid sometimes. :( |
| 02:18.48 | g1powermac_PB | alright, time for bed |
| 02:18.50 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 02:20.44 | SpeedEvil | Flux is good for you. |
| 02:20.49 | SpeedEvil | It's an antioxidant. |
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| 14:51.11 | sunrunner20 | hrm |
| 14:51.33 | sunrunner20 | whats a easy rf trasmission system? |
| 14:52.03 | ohsix | a relay hooked up to energize its own NC circuit :] |
| 14:52.13 | sunrunner20 | nc? |
| 14:52.21 | ohsix | nice broadband noise |
| 14:52.39 | ohsix | normally closed, heh, so it acts like a spark gap until it eats itself, i was joking :P |
| 14:52.41 | sunrunner20 | there are all these people making like lego cars 'n shit |
| 14:53.05 | sunrunner20 | nobody making a lego snowmobile |
| 14:53.13 | sunrunner20 | biggest issue?? |
| 14:53.17 | sunrunner20 | I'm in texas lol |
| 14:53.51 | sunrunner20 | no snow :\ |
| 14:53.53 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 14:54.00 | sunrunner20 | were supposed to get an indoor ski facility |
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| 15:46.28 | CosmicPenguin | heh - indoor ski facility, otherwise known as "Al Gore's Bane" |
| 15:57.34 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 15:57.38 | sunrunner20 | hmmmm |
| 15:58.33 | sunrunner20 | i need advice |
| 15:59.44 | sunrunner20 | i'm planning on putting a constant draw of ~105mA on a circuit thats probally only designed to draw a constant 80 or so |
| 15:59.47 | sunrunner20 | maby |
| 16:00.00 | sunrunner20 | its the 5V line for the feedback moter on my gamecube |
| 16:00.44 | sunrunner20 | I think all of the controlers will be feed from the same line |
| 16:00.48 | sunrunner20 | so its a non issue |
| 16:01.47 | ali_as | Feedback meaning the moter with an off center weight? |
| 16:01.52 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 16:02.06 | sunrunner20 | (meaning, there is a line that has ~340mA ment to be devided 4 ways at will) |
| 16:02.26 | ali_as | How is it switched? |
| 16:02.53 | sunrunner20 | switched, its sent a signal and the pad turns it on |
| 16:02.53 | ali_as | ie, what turns the feedback on, a seperate line or is the 5v gated somehow? |
| 16:03.12 | sunrunner20 | the 5v is constant :) |
| 16:03.35 | ali_as | Doesn't sound like a problem then. |
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| 16:04.11 | sunrunner20 | wootness |
| 16:04.15 | sunrunner20 | on with the mod |
| 16:04.28 | sunrunner20 | seriously |
| 16:04.29 | ali_as | What I mean't was, if the 5v went through a transistor or something, then you might have problems. |
| 16:04.40 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 16:04.41 | sunrunner20 | like |
| 16:04.49 | sunrunner20 | how the hell would i get 5v constantly lol |
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| 16:05.15 | ali_as | I was thinking more you might overload the transistor. |
| 16:05.33 | sunrunner20 | na, i happen to be bypassing that in this mod |
| 16:05.54 | sunrunner20 | you ever have a gamecube? |
| 16:06.47 | sunrunner20 | http://www.amazon.com/Link-Cable-Game-Advance-Gamecube/dp/B0000E5U6M |
| 16:07.05 | sunrunner20 | you spend the money on the damn thing and you still have to run it off batteries |
| 16:07.06 | sunrunner20 | seriously |
| 16:07.11 | sunrunner20 | its CONNECTED TO A CONSOLE |
| 16:07.17 | sunrunner20 | USE ITS POWER! |
| 16:07.20 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 16:08.24 | ali_as | Actually I don't think I've owned any console. |
| 16:08.30 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 16:08.31 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 16:08.37 | ali_as | But that is pretty silly. |
| 16:08.52 | sunrunner20 | i sampled some linear regulators |
| 16:08.57 | sunrunner20 | gonna slap one in |
| 16:09.03 | sunrunner20 | bring 5v down to 3 |
| 16:09.14 | sunrunner20 | (too bad they waste that 2v) |
| 16:09.40 | sunrunner20 | would love an inductorless dc/dc |
| 16:10.09 | sunrunner20 | but dad says they are ficky and I say 4mm x 3mm is a tad small |
| 16:10.11 | ali_as | For 0.2W noone will care :) |
| 16:11.23 | sunrunner20 | i wanted juice to spair to put in a few white LEDs :) |
| 16:11.51 | ali_as | Hmm, what voltage? |
| 16:12.07 | ali_as | Probably too high to use use them to drop the controller voltage. |
| 16:13.29 | sunrunner20 | dropout is like .3v |
| 16:13.47 | ali_as | I mean't the voltage drop over the white LEDs. |
| 16:14.33 | sunrunner20 | ok |
| 16:14.38 | sunrunner20 | GCN controler back together |
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| 16:24.43 | T0mW | anyone have docs on sysfs? how sysfs_create_bin_file works? |
| 16:26.21 | prpplague | T0mW: should be in the documents directory of the kernel source |
| 16:26.29 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:27.20 | T0mW | ok, tried googling for something like an example. I suspect that all is well within the i2c driver and I am using the wrong dev nums for /dev/ts0 |
| 16:32.54 | solar | if your /dev is read-write. mdev -s should create the proper device nods for eveyrything your kernel supports assuming you have busybox handy |
| 16:34.03 | T0mW | solar: just a read device |
| 16:34.37 | T0mW | I need to activate an entry into /sys |
| 16:34.44 | T0mW | s/activate/add |
| 16:35.31 | T0mW | I'll just hack something in there a play with it. :-) |
| 16:35.40 | solar | ahh. Well when you do. mdev will be smart enough to pick it up :) |
| 16:40.16 | T0mW | :) |
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| 18:31.31 | prpplague | solar / sjhill nail boards are shipping monday |
| 18:31.48 | prpplague | solar / sjhill all done with testing and such |
| 18:32.37 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:32.57 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: :) |
| 18:33.10 | prpplague | only a month late |
| 18:33.18 | prpplague | i had expected to be shipping at the first of may |
| 18:34.33 | prpplague | is too stressed |
| 18:40.19 | SpeedEvil | Long hours at work? |
| 18:40.52 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: wife and kids are traveling, pda release, and doing dev for tincantools |
| 18:41.03 | SpeedEvil | Perfect storm then. |
| 18:41.04 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 18:41.45 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:43.43 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 18:43.45 | purl | landley <n=landley@rrcs-71-42-139-208.sw.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 8d 20h 44m 33s ago, saying: 'I remember a 5 year old chewing a whole pack at once.'. |
| 19:02.55 | solar | prpplague: thats great news. |
| 19:03.06 | prpplague | solar: indeed |
| 19:03.20 | prpplague | solar: now's time to start looking at the next carrier board |
| 19:03.25 | solar | wish we could get Robotguy using the nail. That would make my life eaiser to make sure we get/put the right stuff in our tree to support guys like him |
| 19:03.54 | solar | he uses an older jtag carrier iirc |
| 19:04.59 | prpplague | solar: yea, it is essentially the same |
| 19:05.28 | prpplague | solar: just different packaging |
| 19:05.36 | prpplague | solar: but we have about 30 pre-orders waiting |
| 19:05.48 | prpplague | solar: i suspect you'll have lots of nail board users |
| 19:06.13 | solar | prpplague: without making me sign a NDA. What types of things do you think those ppl will be trying to build/create using the nail? |
| 19:06.24 | solar | slash-hammer |
| 19:06.43 | prpplague | solar: hehe, no NDA needed, we are open with just about all aspects of the devices |
| 19:06.59 | solar | I meant your customers |
| 19:07.32 | prpplague | solar: the three items that have been repeated frequent are, laptop security, usb traffic logger, and usb gadget development |
| 19:08.02 | solar | ok |
| 19:08.18 | solar | oh btw. We have done alot of reading recently on EABI support |
| 19:08.36 | solar | pretty sure it can be done on the hammer |
| 19:09.41 | prpplague | solar: yea, i looked as well |
| 19:10.04 | prpplague | solar: at the time we were doing the primary hammer dev, EABI support for arm9 was still early |
| 19:10.18 | prpplague | solar: probably try to do an eabi toolchain soon |
| 19:11.19 | prpplague | solar: my problem is, once i have the device booting and all the drivers working, i tend to loose interest, so i have to work hard to make sure alot of the userland stuff is there and documented |
| 19:11.34 | prpplague | solar: i'm more into the lowlevel interfacing |
| 19:12.23 | solar | Don't worry I'm sure RobotGuy or myself will give armv4t-softfloat-linux-gnueabi a try |
| 19:13.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:13.19 | solar | prpplague: did you ever get a chance to confirm if the devmem applet was ok for busybox? |
| 19:13.52 | prpplague | solar: yea, i've been using it with my development for the M8050(our pda), and i've not seen anything jump out as an issue |
| 19:14.05 | prpplague | solar: i'm doing a fresh build on tuesday with lots of diagnostics |
| 19:14.22 | prpplague | solar: i can give you a full thumbs up something like wednesday |
| 19:15.05 | solar | goodle has nearly no info on what the M8050 is in relationship to tincan |
| 19:15.44 | prpplague | solar: hehe, indeed , as it is yet to be released, and its from AML not tincan |
| 19:16.10 | prpplague | solar: a rendering - http://imagebin.ca/view/tH3RGx.html |
| 19:16.34 | solar | pretty beefy |
| 19:16.40 | solar | thats for warehouses etc? |
| 19:16.48 | prpplague | more for retail locations |
| 19:17.04 | prpplague | solar: for stuff like manager approvals, line busting, and checking shelf stock |
| 19:18.22 | solar | http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-embedded&m=121186277222328&q=p3 http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-embedded&m=121186277222328&q=p4 http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-embedded&m=121186277222328&q=p5 |
| 19:18.35 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:18.39 | solar | few screenshots from my phone/pda that I've been having on recnetly |
| 19:19.23 | prpplague | nice looking |
| 19:19.26 | prpplague | gentoo-embedded? |
| 19:19.32 | solar | yes |
| 19:20.00 | prpplague | solar: what? no master-mind game? |
| 19:20.25 | agaffney | heh |
| 19:20.28 | solar | heh. well it's an overstuffed rom atm. There are things on there that are completly useless |
| 19:20.44 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:20.53 | solar | and other vital things missing.. bluetooth, irda, etc. |
| 19:20.54 | prpplague | considers trying gentoo-embedded for the M8050 |
| 19:21.14 | solar | prpplague: if you got one handy we can make it work |
| 19:21.27 | solar | same CPU as the hammer? |
| 19:21.53 | prpplague | solar: similiar, its the 2440, which is basically identical to the 2410, just that it runs at 400mhz instead of 200mhz |
| 19:22.07 | solar | is that a touchscreen? |
| 19:22.10 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:22.44 | solar | sound,irda,usb whats that plug on the bottom? |
| 19:22.56 | prpplague | solar: no irda |
| 19:23.22 | prpplague | solar: usb interface, power for charging, a uart, and a couple of gpio/eints |
| 19:23.43 | solar | wifi enabled? |
| 19:23.46 | prpplague | solar: the usb lines can be host or slave |
| 19:24.00 | prpplague | solar: yes 802.11bg with csr bluetooth |
| 19:24.43 | prpplague | solar: 5200mAh battery standard with a 7800mAh battery optional |
| 19:24.47 | solar | it might be interesting to offer your clients alternatives (save on the licence fees you have to pay per unit to MS) |
| 19:25.04 | solar | s/might be neat/ |
| 19:25.09 | solar | if not. It's still fun |
| 19:25.34 | prpplague | solar: hehe, actually we wil be shipping with linux, its just that the ME doesn't have any screenshots to use for the Solid-Works CAD package |
| 19:25.59 | solar | oh perfect then. So all the drivers already exist :) |
| 19:26.18 | prpplague | hehe yea, most of it should be complete by the end of next week |
| 19:26.31 | prpplague | just need some gui stuff |
| 19:26.54 | solar | the gpe does not live in our tree directly. It's from an overlay that I made. |
| 19:27.12 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:27.27 | solar | I'm not personally willing to maintain ebuilds that depend on X. So I stick more to the @console/base system types of apps |
| 19:27.47 | solar | I've got my eye on a kid or two however to maintain it |
| 19:28.35 | solar | how big is the onboard flash? |
| 19:28.44 | solar | ram? |
| 19:29.16 | solar | 32 is doable. 64 is nicer. 128M is living large |
| 19:33.06 | prpplague | solar: base model is 128M flash, 128M sdram |
| 19:33.14 | agaffney | nice |
| 19:33.25 | prpplague | solar: nand flash |
| 19:34.13 | solar | ahh. Should be pretty easy to make it nice then |
| 19:34.25 | solar | will help you when you are ready |
| 19:34.38 | agaffney | send me one, and I'll help too ;) |
| 19:35.08 | chouimat|work | free toys? |
| 19:35.15 | solar | hhe. i don't need one |
| 19:35.55 | prpplague | solar: yea, we are planning to just use GPE for now |
| 19:35.56 | agaffney | solar: shhhhhh |
| 19:36.17 | prpplague | solar: i'll probably give gentoo-embedded a try on it |
| 19:36.31 | prpplague | solar: and possibly the familiar or angstrom builds |
| 19:36.57 | prpplague | solar: most of the targeted customs will probably do there own environment |
| 19:37.04 | prpplague | solar: we just need something to show off the features |
| 19:37.49 | prpplague | agaffney: hehe these definetly aren't free |
| 19:37.59 | agaffney | pfft :P |
| 19:38.10 | agaffney | any idea what the pricing is going to be? |
| 19:38.29 | prpplague | i don't know the exact figure, but it will be in the $1500 range |
| 19:38.39 | prpplague | for the base model |
| 19:38.49 | agaffney | does it have a barcode scanner? |
| 19:38.52 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:38.56 | prpplague | and magstripe reader |
| 19:39.09 | agaffney | hmm |
| 19:47.10 | prpplague | hmm, tinyx is building imake for arm instead of x86, hmmm |
| 20:09.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: you have tinyx building for zipit? |
| 20:10.18 | CosmicPenguin | heh - imake |
| 20:10.19 | CosmicPenguin | how cute |
| 20:11.39 | prpplague | indeed |
| 20:12.30 | CosmicPenguin | And of coures, by cute I mean tragic |
| 20:12.45 | prpplague | indeed |
| 20:14.02 | solar | problem with angstrom is it requires read-write fs. |
| 20:14.27 | CosmicPenguin | wow, marvell had really good earnings |
| 20:14.29 | CosmicPenguin | up 24% today |
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| 20:25.04 | prpplague | tinyx is fighting me today |
| 20:26.41 | RobotGuy | PDA with TinyX? |
| 20:26.57 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:27.06 | prpplague | techincally its kdrive |
| 20:28.09 | RobotGuy | I went back to Kubuntu. I screwed Gentoo up real bad. |
| 20:28.14 | solar | which sadly is going away. keithp stopped working on kdrive and is shifting efforts towards xorg-server |
| 20:28.27 | RobotGuy | solar: Hi |
| 20:28.34 | solar | RobotGuy: cross merged an ELF of the wrong EM_TYPE on / ? |
| 20:29.10 | agaffney | solar: only you'd do that :P |
| 20:29.14 | RobotGuy | solar: No, I did "emerge -C python" and couldn't emerge anything after that. I didn't know emerge used Python. |
| 20:29.24 | agaffney | hahahahaha |
| 20:29.40 | RobotGuy | agaffney: I don't think it's funny at all. |
| 20:29.54 | agaffney | you would if somebody else did it ;) |
| 20:30.03 | RobotGuy | No, I wouldn't. |
| 20:30.09 | agaffney | portage yells at you about unmerging packages that are in the system set for a good reason |
| 20:30.19 | solar | RobotGuy: ahh yeah. That can create a neat little catch22 but it's actually pretty easy to recover from that. |
| 20:30.35 | RobotGuy | solar: I didn't know how to recover from that. |
| 20:30.46 | prpplague | solar: indeed, xorg-server seems better, but i still like the size and features of kdrive |
| 20:30.59 | RobotGuy | I'll do Gentoo again when I get a psu and case for my third PC. |
| 20:31.40 | CosmicPenguin | Since keithp has been spending so much time hacking on xorg proper, it is getting harder and harder to dismiss xorg-xserver out of hand |
| 20:31.47 | CosmicPenguin | it still has its warts, but... |
| 20:33.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What does Nail run to display on that small LCD? |
| 20:33.21 | solar | Xfbdev with kdrive/minimal support is about 1.2M on arm. Using upx and a few other trick you could probably get it back to the 5-600k range. |
| 20:33.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm sorry i did not understand your question |
| 20:33.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Doesn't Nail run with a small display? |
| 20:34.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the nail has an expansion port which could support small displays |
| 20:34.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, I saw that picture of Nail with a small display. |
| 20:35.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea thats one i added a small tft display on |
| 20:35.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, what is nail running to display on that? |
| 20:35.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not sure what you mean |
| 20:35.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its just a standard framebuffer |
| 20:36.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you asking what programs i use with the display? |
| 20:36.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, Nail has to run some sort of software for the display, doesn't it? |
| 20:36.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea you can use anything that supports standard framebuffer |
| 20:37.08 | RobotGuy | Yeah, that's what I been trying to find out. What programs? |
| 20:37.32 | RobotGuy | OK, that is the framebuffer in the kernel, right? |
| 20:37.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe, anything that supports framebuffer, fbi , tinyx, nano-x, |
| 20:37.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: correct |
| 20:38.11 | RobotGuy | So Hammer could do that too. |
| 20:38.22 | RobotGuy | My Hammer I am receiving today. |
| 20:38.55 | CosmicPenguin | sucks a cup of coffee into his lung |
| 20:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | nano-x... |
| 20:39.42 | CosmicPenguin | why is it everything I touch withers and dies? |
| 20:39.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: need to grow a beard |
| 20:40.18 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I've been having that kind of day, it seems. |
| 20:43.33 | ce_geek | Anyone have any experience with one-wire hubs? |
| 20:44.06 | ce_geek | I am looking to help a friend install about 6 DS1820 temp sensors in his home, wondering if I need to look into a hub of sorts. |
| 20:46.08 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You talking about doing this with Hammer? |
| 20:46.42 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I'll probably do my apartment with Hammer, since I'll have one. My friend will likely use a PC |
| 20:47.20 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Neither does one-wire as far as I know. |
| 20:47.44 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Well it can be faked using an RS232 port |
| 20:47.58 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You are going to have to Google for "one wire" |
| 20:48.18 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yeah, I'll look into it. I was just curious if anyone here had dealt with it at all. |
| 20:48.57 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I have some 1-wire stuff, but I will probably go with an I2C or SPI to 1-wire interface chip of some sort. |
| 20:49.02 | CosmicPenguin | you could do it with GPIOs too |
| 20:49.14 | RobotGuy | Big bang? |
| 20:49.21 | CosmicPenguin | thats one theory |
| 20:49.30 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Another? |
| 20:49.54 | ce_geek | I planned to either bit-bang it on a GPIO or use the RS232 port. I had two sensors on the second UART on the hammer, worked great. They were just really short distances. perhaps the distance was only a problem if you were using parasitic power or something. |
| 20:50.10 | RobotGuy | Does anyone know the package for debian/ubuntu for ati drivers? |
| 20:50.13 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: "Bit" not "bang" perhaps? |
| 20:50.19 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Err |
| 20:50.23 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: "bit not "big" |
| 20:50.23 | CosmicPenguin | RobotGuy: X driver? |
| 20:50.41 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: No idea. |
| 20:50.46 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Yes, for X |
| 20:50.51 | RobotGuy | Xorg go be exact |
| 20:50.53 | CosmicPenguin | RobotGuy: propriatary or open driver? |
| 20:51.03 | CosmicPenguin | man, my spelling today is just awesome |
| 20:51.13 | CosmicPenguin | ironic that the spelling bee is today |
| 20:51.24 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I don't really know, but I suspect yes, a proprietary ATI driver. |
| 20:51.38 | CosmicPenguin | xorg-driver-fglrx |
| 20:51.50 | CosmicPenguin | for Ubuntu - I don't think Debian has that |
| 20:54.02 | prpplague | hehe the tinyx build for build hasn't been updated in 3 years |
| 20:54.31 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Thanks |
| 20:55.07 | RobotGuy | Ubuntu/Kubuntu are based on Debian. :) |
| 20:55.27 | CosmicPenguin | Indeed, but Debian is for free code only |
| 20:55.34 | prpplague | i wonder why its still in the repo |
| 20:55.42 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think they package the fglrx driver |
| 20:56.23 | RobotGuy | I have to restart to see if this new driver works. BRB |
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| 21:01.02 | RobotGuy | Well, it worked! Thanks CosmicPenguin. |
| 21:01.22 | CosmicPenguin | No problem |
| 21:08.25 | RobotGuy | I like it when easy solutions work. |
| 21:08.56 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not exactly sure that the fglrx driver qualifies as easy in any sense of any word |
| 21:08.58 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* |
| 21:09.19 | g1powermac_PB | what a day. . .moved about 80% of the basement stuff from old house to new |
| 21:09.20 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Well, it got me the result I wanted, so that's what counts in my book. |
| 21:09.28 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hi there. |
| 21:09.37 | CosmicPenguin | RobotGuy: thats not a sentiment I hear often |
| 21:09.48 | g1powermac_PB | I now have a chunk of my lab here |
| 21:09.53 | CosmicPenguin | apparently you can't lose them all |
| 21:09.57 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Really? Hmmmm. |
| 21:10.13 | g1powermac_PB | though most of it is still at the other house, waiting to be brought here by car instead of uhaul truck |
| 21:10.43 | RobotGuy | When I move, the first thing I setup are my computers and get internet access. :D |
| 21:11.04 | g1powermac_PB | heh, well, I got my main house computer setup, thats how I'm here :-) |
| 21:11.21 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: That's a good thing. :) |
| 21:11.36 | g1powermac_PB | would've been online sooner if it wasn't for the holiday on monday |
| 21:11.49 | RobotGuy | I don't like holidays. |
| 21:12.44 | g1powermac_PB | is always stuck with some massive project on holidays it seems |
| 21:12.54 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I am just waiting for UPS to bring me my new Hammer. It's "Out for Delivery" |
| 21:13.27 | g1powermac_PB | though this 4th of july we're taking the entire weekend off, closing the store down and going on vacation, first time in many, many years |
| 21:13.41 | g1powermac_PB | kewl |
| 21:13.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I hope you take full advantage of that too. :) |
| 21:14.06 | g1powermac_PB | oh yea, it'll be nice |
| 21:14.18 | g1powermac_PB | we're heading out to the smokey mountains in TN |
| 21:14.20 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hint: Don't take a computer and don't tell anyone where you are going. ;) |
| 21:14.45 | g1powermac_PB | yup, no computer, and really no one knows exactly where we're going |
| 21:15.00 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Do you know anything about making Live CDs? |
| 21:15.23 | RobotGuy | The info I have found on the internet seems to be lacking somehow. |
| 21:15.24 | g1powermac_PB | you're speaking to the guy who made clusterix :-) |
| 21:15.38 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Is that a yes then? |
| 21:15.39 | g1powermac_PB | though that was about 4 years ago |
| 21:15.47 | g1powermac_PB | ya :-) |
| 21:16.38 | g1powermac_PB | but mainly I only know the internal workings of knoppix like livecds of about 4 years ago, so ymmv :-) |
| 21:16.47 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I'd rather make one from scratch so a) I know exactly what's on it, and b) I learn to do it, and c) I get exactly what I need. |
| 21:17.40 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, making it from scratch is not an easy task |
| 21:17.49 | RobotGuy | I managed to get almost all the TCT stuff, and a pre-build buildroot on a CD with PCLinuxOS, but I don't know how that distro is setup and I need to custom config some stuff. |
| 21:18.08 | g1powermac_PB | you're better off piecing stuff together, or at least grabbing premade things from knoppix or morphix |
| 21:18.16 | g1powermac_PB | especially the hardware detection |
| 21:18.17 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm |
| 21:18.38 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Yeah, that is the part that has me concerned. They really know how to do hardware detection. |
| 21:19.02 | g1powermac_PB | you see, this is where morphix comes in handy |
| 21:19.31 | g1powermac_PB | because its modular, all the base stuff, including the kernel and hardware detection stuff is in the base mod |
| 21:19.38 | g1powermac_PB | and all the userland stuff is in the mainmod |
| 21:19.48 | g1powermac_PB | so all you really need to do is recreate the mainmod |
| 21:19.49 | SpeedEvil | connectors and modularity costs size, weight, and price. |
| 21:19.52 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:19.55 | SpeedEvil | ignore that |
| 21:20.19 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: So if I plan to eventually be making several different Live CDs/DVDs, would you suggest learning Morphix? I only want to learn one setup if possible. |
| 21:20.39 | RobotGuy | happily ignores SpeedEvil as directed. ;) ;) |
| 21:20.44 | g1powermac_PB | yea, because you'd only have to make a couple of different mainmods for the same base mod |
| 21:21.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: OK, I will take a closer look at morphix then. |
| 21:21.18 | prpplague | hmm tinyx seems to build ok on older buildroots |
| 21:21.25 | prpplague | wonders what caused the breakage |
| 21:21.36 | g1powermac_PB | in #morphix, alextreme, aquatix, and bmsleight are the guys to talk to |
| 21:21.39 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I want it to be part of my 'toolbox' for the duration. |
| 21:21.57 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 21:21.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I've never been able to get tinyx to build with our current buildroot. |
| 21:22.12 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab, food |
| 21:22.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, the buildroot from about 18 months ago builds fine |
| 21:24.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Which reminds me: fakeroot 1.95, mpfr 2.3.1 gmp 4.2.2 are the latest versions and they seem to build OK. I am still doing some testing with the new mpfr and gmp versions though. |
| 21:24.31 | RobotGuy | I mean fakeroot 1.9.5 |
| 21:24.50 | prpplague | okie dokie, i don't plan on bumping the versions in our repo for awhile |
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| 21:27.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: fakeroot has to be changed because the older versions are no longer available. |
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| 21:27.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i have them in our repo |
| 21:27.48 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 21:29.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are welcome to post update buildroot tarballs on the wiki if you'd like |
| 21:30.02 | prpplague | hmm, wonder why its trying to build pkg-config |
| 21:30.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. I just want to make sure everything works before doing that sort of thing. |
| 21:30.14 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, home made split pea soup |
| 21:30.32 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I want some! That is my favorite soup! |
| 21:30.45 | RobotGuy | I like split pea with ham best. |
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| 21:31.10 | g1powermac_PB | savors this soup after a long hard day. . . |
| 21:31.58 | g1powermac_PB | no ham here |
| 21:32.06 | g1powermac_PB | is a vegan |
| 21:32.17 | syntropy | What is edev exactly? I've been referred here about it, (discussing device management via udev) but I can't seem to find anything about it except for here. |
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| 21:35.57 | prpplague | syntropy: edev is short for "embedded development" |
| 21:36.15 | prpplague | syntropy: is there something specific you are looking for information on? |
| 21:36.25 | syntropy | oh. looks like someone else used the term 'edev' in their project for a replacement to udev |
| 21:37.00 | syntropy | sorry about the mistake. see ya |
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| 21:42.45 | RobotGuy | Oh, cool, I got a free month of SuperPass. |
| 21:44.41 | prpplague | superpass? that anything like gas-x ? |
| 21:44.50 | g1powermac_PB | haha |
| 21:45.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Naw, it's Real Networks movie, game, whatever thing. |
| 21:45.13 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:45.52 | prpplague | hmm, gonna have to try and fix up tinyx for buildroot |
| 21:45.54 | RobotGuy | My PC is my only entertainment center. |
| 21:46.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There is one other bug that really needs to be fixed.. /usr/lib never gets created even when it is in the device_table.txt file. |
| 21:46.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't seem to find where to fix that one. |
| 21:47.26 | prpplague | ok i'll have a look next week |
| 21:47.32 | prpplague | gotta get this tinyx running |
| 21:47.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, cool. |
| 21:48.43 | RobotGuy | I just started a toolchain build for Hammer. |
| 21:50.11 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I have gotten four boxes from TI this week. |
| 21:50.18 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 21:55.14 | g1powermac_PB | man, burnt the heck out of my tongue |
| 21:57.11 | RobotGuy | I found my kitty's other hiding place. |
| 21:57.41 | agaffney | my kitties have lots of hiding places |
| 21:58.11 | RobotGuy | My kitty is a true scardy cat. |
| 21:58.21 | agaffney | one of mine is |
| 21:58.24 | g1powermac_PB | my dog will sniff out all kitty hiding places :-) |
| 21:58.28 | RobotGuy | She is affraid of pretty much everything except me. |
| 21:58.29 | agaffney | he runs and hides if you look at him |
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| 22:05.55 | RobotGuy | Mine hides from the doorbell and anything else but me. |
| 22:07.33 | RobotGuy | I just got my new Hammer! :D:D:D:D |
| 22:08.19 | g1powermac_PB | yay |
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| 22:20.34 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: The stuff from TI has 2 different USB hub chips, audio codecs, level shifters, and op-amps. |
| 22:21.13 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 22:21.37 | CosmicPenguin | partridge in pear tree not included |
| 22:21.51 | RobotGuy | Some of it is for Hammer-RDP stuff. |
| 22:21.56 | g1powermac_PB | I got an apple tree if you want :-) |
| 22:22.00 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Correct! The partridge costs extra |
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| 22:45.07 | g1powermac_PB | should resubscribe to circuit cellar. . . |
| 23:09.28 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I would love to be able to subscribe to several different magazines. |
