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| 01:49.49 | RobotGuy | I have a section mismatch in my kernel config and don't know what it means. |
| 01:49.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hi there. |
| 01:50.15 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Greets |
| 01:51.48 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 01:53.38 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: How is everything? |
| 01:54.24 | g1powermac_PB | tiring |
| 01:54.33 | g1powermac_PB | but I did get my lab mostly setup |
| 01:54.45 | RobotGuy | I'm trying to figure out what this section mismatch means and how to fix it. |
| 01:55.56 | RobotGuy | I'm back to tinkering with Hammer again. :D:D |
| 01:56.08 | g1powermac_PB | kewl |
| 01:56.34 | RobotGuy | I don't know if this section mismatch is really important or not. |
| 01:58.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy section mistach means something is marked one way and exists as another |
| 01:58.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, is it something I need to be conserned about? |
| 01:58.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy for instance a function might be marked as __init , but it is used later in the kernel |
| 01:59.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy generally you can use the resulting kernel without a problem, but the mismatch warning is something you probably want to look at |
| 01:59.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy did you add some code recently? |
| 01:59.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I would look at it, but I don't understand how to correct it. |
| 01:59.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not to the kernel. |
| 01:59.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy you can pastebin the build log tomorrow and i'll look at ti |
| 02:00.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 02:00.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Could it mean something built into the kernel that should be a module? |
| 02:07.38 | prpplague | no, like i said it is because a function or struct has been declared one way and used in another |
| 02:09.05 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 02:09.34 | RobotGuy | Sometimes things have more than one possible meaning. |
| 02:10.13 | g1powermac_PB | *yawn* think its about time for me to head to bed |
| 02:10.26 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 02:18.18 | RobotGuy | Hmmm |
| 02:37.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy hey |
| 02:37.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy just spoke to rusty |
| 02:37.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah? |
| 02:37.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy he said he included a return label |
| 02:37.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy in that box |
| 02:38.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmm, OK. I will look. |
| 02:38.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy can you make sure you send that burnt up hammer back for testing |
| 02:38.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, of course. |
| 02:39.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I already have it in the small box the new one came in. Just have to find a new static bag for it. |
| 02:39.30 | prpplague | did you find the label? |
| 02:40.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I found a paper with the info a label would have. |
| 02:40.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy so no return lable? |
| 02:41.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just see a piece of paper that looks like a label, but no sticky, |
| 02:41.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's just printed on regular paper. |
| 02:42.17 | prpplague | yea thats probably it |
| 02:42.29 | prpplague | should be able to just tape that to the box |
| 02:43.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. I will box the bad hammer up and take it and the paper to the UPS store tomorrow. They can tape it to the box. |
| 02:43.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have to go see a Neurologist tomorrow, so can do it on my way out. |
| 03:11.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy no rush, just want to get it back so we can figure out what failed |
| 03:12.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, I understand. :) I would like to know what failed also. |
| 03:12.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy got a customer who purchased a hammer kit, it boots to "hammer login" and he doesn't know what to do with it now |
| 03:12.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy hehe apparently he's never used linux before |
| 03:12.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Tell him to send it to me. :D He's in way over his head. |
| 03:13.03 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 03:13.37 | prpplague | yea well, i'm afraid we are getting more customers like that |
| 03:13.47 | prpplague | gotta figure out how to do with them |
| 03:14.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just don't think Hammer and Linux is the right way to start out for beginners. |
| 03:14.47 | RobotGuy | It's taken me a little over a year to get brave enough to jump into something like Hammer, and I still have a LOT to learn. |
| 03:15.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have been working on a step by step getting started tutorial over on the TrossenRobotics forums. I'm going to convert that into Wiki format and see what I can do with it. |
| 03:16.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy btw i found the problem with the tinyx build it appears someone checked in a bunch of changes that were specific to x86 builds |
| 03:16.43 | RobotGuy | That won't teach a person Linux though. Do these customers realize what they are purchasing and what sort of knowledge they already need to have? |
| 03:17.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy why not do it on the wiki? |
| 03:17.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy seems like a lot of work to duplicate |
| 03:17.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy i guess they don't |
| 03:17.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am. I'm going to work on it on my Wiki first (also runs MediaWiki) then transfer it over to the Hammer Wiki. |
| 03:18.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy why not on the main wiki? |
| 03:18.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What I have done so far has been getting real good reviews from TrossenRobotics and their users. |
| 03:18.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, I could do that. :) |
| 03:19.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I need to learn more about formatting in MediaWiki. |
| 03:20.06 | prpplague | nothing to it |
| 03:20.17 | prpplague | nail boards start shipping on monday |
| 03:20.55 | prpplague | i think i'm going to try and talk rusty into a lcd/keyboard carrier board for the hammer for the next board |
| 03:22.11 | prpplague | has to go to bed soon |
| 03:22.16 | prpplague | got an early morning |
| 03:22.24 | prpplague | gotta be at the airport by 6am |
| 03:22.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool. Take care and see ya in the morning. |
| 03:22.34 | RobotGuy | Airport? |
| 03:23.14 | prpplague | yea for the wife and kids |
| 03:23.22 | prpplague | there are going to visit family in barbados |
| 03:26.03 | prpplague | goes to bed |
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| 13:29.11 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:29.44 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 13:30.13 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 13:32.12 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16143&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 13:37.18 | T0mW | prpplague: HammerLCD is working. |
| 13:37.26 | prpplague | T0mW: wahoo |
| 13:37.33 | prpplague | T0mW: when are going to start selling it? |
| 13:37.46 | prpplague | T0mW: you find out about the packet loss using the enc28j60? |
| 13:38.05 | T0mW | prpplague: had a bitch of a time working out a problem in the frame buffer driver. |
| 13:38.19 | prpplague | T0mW: oh? |
| 13:38.20 | T0mW | prpplague: it is definately the new driver that is at fault. |
| 13:38.23 | prpplague | T0mW: what kind of problem? |
| 13:38.45 | prpplague | T0mW: yea the FB in linux doesn't support stn very well on the s3c24xx |
| 13:39.18 | T0mW | prpplague: it has to do something with the way 12bpp data got generated. 12bits vs long words |
| 13:39.35 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:39.40 | T0mW | colors should be RRRGGGBBB |
| 13:40.18 | T0mW | but came out as RRGRGBGBB |
| 13:40.38 | T0mW | swap the nibbles int he bytes and the thing is happy. |
| 13:41.39 | T0mW | prpplague: slow_imageblit should work GREAT on a big-endian processor... |
| 13:42.18 | T0mW | prpplague: did you look at the 2.6.26 stuff yet? |
| 13:42.30 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm using 2.6.25 |
| 13:42.33 | T0mW | prpplague: I mean, tried that kernel out. |
| 13:42.39 | prpplague | T0mW: no not yet |
| 13:42.47 | T0mW | I see the upll (usb clock) is @50MHz |
| 13:42.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i tend to use the latest full release |
| 13:42.55 | prpplague | T0mW: uh what? |
| 13:43.16 | prpplague | T0mW: where do you see that? |
| 13:43.37 | T0mW | yes, when the kernel boots, it reports: |
| 13:43.41 | T0mW | CPU S3C2410A (id 0x32410002) |
| 13:43.41 | T0mW | S3C2410: core 202.800 MHz, memory 101.400 MHz, peripheral 50.700 MHz |
| 13:43.41 | T0mW | S3C24XX Clocks, (c) 2004 Simtec Electronics |
| 13:43.41 | T0mW | CLOCK: Slow mode (1.500 MHz), fast, MPLL on, UPLL on |
| 13:44.47 | T0mW | I've noticed some funnies in getting a USB keyboard working. You have to plug it in several times before it works. I wonder if the clockspeed would do that? |
| 13:44.53 | prpplague | i don't see where it says that the UPLL is 50mhz? |
| 13:45.09 | prpplague | T0mW: sounds like you need the updated apex bootloader |
| 13:45.14 | T0mW | peripheral clock is not the same? |
| 13:45.18 | prpplague | T0mW: nope |
| 13:45.21 | T0mW | ah |
| 13:45.23 | T0mW | ok |
| 13:45.32 | T0mW | already unsing apex 1.5.6 |
| 13:45.42 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry i meant updated from the wiki |
| 13:45.52 | prpplague | T0mW: there was a tweak i had to do for the UPLL calculation |
| 13:45.53 | T0mW | did that too |
| 13:45.58 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:46.13 | prpplague | ok, then you should be good |
| 13:46.27 | prpplague | might post your usb log for me to look at |
| 13:46.28 | T0mW | nice to see a blue screen on the lcd |
| 13:46.43 | T0mW | along with a color console |
| 13:46.44 | prpplague | T0mW: what gui you going to run? |
| 13:47.04 | T0mW | Dave, I haven't given it much thought. LOL |
| 13:47.17 | T0mW | been struggling with the hardware too much. |
| 13:47.20 | T0mW | :/ |
| 13:47.28 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:47.33 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:47.49 | T0mW | prpplague: the mmc_spi works like a charm, no problems. |
| 13:48.03 | prpplague | T0mW: good deal, i need to patch up my kernel too |
| 13:48.55 | T0mW | 2.6.26-rc4 still does not have the bus_num patch in the spi_s3c24xx.c, so your spi may act goofy. |
| 13:50.31 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh ok |
| 13:50.47 | T0mW | long night, time for bed |
| 13:50.52 | T0mW | cul |
| 13:54.22 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: later |
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| 14:33.03 | sjhill | prpplague: anything ship to me yet? |
| 14:33.26 | prpplague | sjhill: the boss decided to wait to ship you a production unit, they are going out today |
| 14:33.38 | prpplague | sjhill: i'll have a tracking number asap for ya |
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| 14:49.56 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague |
| 14:50.04 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: greetings |
| 14:50.22 | g1powermac_PB | anything interesting going on? |
| 14:50.32 | prpplague | trying to do a tinyx build |
| 14:50.42 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, cool |
| 14:50.47 | prpplague | wife and kids off to the airport this morning |
| 14:50.53 | g1powermac_PB | reassembled his lab last night |
| 14:50.56 | g1powermac_PB | at least mostly |
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| 14:51.30 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: fun fun |
| 14:51.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:51.47 | prpplague | grumbles |
| 14:51.55 | g1powermac_PB | been trying to get a pole display working on my dev machine, it came off our register system from the store |
| 14:52.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hidyho |
| 14:52.14 | g1powermac_PB | thought it might be fun to have it working on my dev machine for stuff |
| 14:52.22 | prpplague | it appears my touchscreen info is incorrect, the horizontal moves the cursor vertically and viseversa |
| 14:52.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: had a good time this weekend, I went to the Odell's small batch beer festival |
| 14:52.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh cool |
| 14:52.44 | g1powermac_PB | but the kernel driver the company provides for it of course won't compile against the newer 2.6 kernels |
| 14:52.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: during the winter they make a bunch of small batch experimental beers, and then let everybody try them at the festival |
| 14:53.01 | prpplague | nice |
| 14:53.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: if one turns out extra well, they start selling it |
| 14:53.15 | CosmicPenguin | good times |
| 14:53.31 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: usb or serial? |
| 14:53.35 | g1powermac_PB | usb |
| 14:54.18 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.logiccontrols.com/web/prodLD9.htm |
| 14:54.33 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to know of a USB tranciever or analog switch that I can connect to +-20V on D+/D- without damage? |
| 14:55.02 | SpeedEvil | (not expecting it to work in this state) |
| 14:55.30 | g1powermac_PB | brb, food |
| 15:00.02 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 15:00.29 | SpeedEvil | I suppose a couple of polyfuses, a couple of resistors, and four small shottky diodes should work. |
| 15:13.57 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:15.56 | prpplague | interesting, looks like uclibc is getting built without wchar |
| 15:20.46 | g1powermac_PB | meh, I'll have to probe around in that driver, see what its doing |
| 15:21.19 | g1powermac_PB | when it compiles it dies on something about '.mode' is not supported or something |
| 15:22.17 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: usb or serial? |
| 15:23.08 | g1powermac_PB | usb |
| 15:23.12 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.logiccontrols.com/web/prodLD9.htm |
| 15:24.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i don't see where it says which one you are using, its available in serial, usb and custom configurations |
| 15:24.53 | g1powermac_PB | doh, sorry, mines the LD9900U |
| 15:26.08 | prpplague | ok so thats the usb interface |
| 15:26.27 | prpplague | my guess is there are just using some off the shelf usb to rs-232 adapter |
| 15:26.53 | g1powermac_PB | yea, was just going to say that after reading the part about the usb drivers for windows |
| 15:27.07 | g1powermac_PB | "The USB driver for customer displays is a Virtual COM port driver. A new COM port will be created and the USB pole display will appear as connected to this new COM port." |
| 15:28.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:28.16 | prpplague | yea, the protocol looks pretty simple |
| 15:29.17 | g1powermac_PB | I would like to get the already made driver working though, so I don't have to write my own :-) |
| 15:33.47 | g1powermac_PB | btw, the compiler dies on line 197 of the source: ".mode =S_IFCHR | S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP | S_IWGRP," |
| 15:34.21 | g1powermac_PB | it whines about the .mode thing, wish I had the exact error message, but I'm currently not on that machine |
| 15:40.05 | g1powermac_PB | according to google, it looks like .mode thing support was removed in newer kernels. . . |
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| 15:51.45 | sjhill | that was fun |
| 15:51.57 | sjhill | the watchdog timer tripped on my server PC and rebooted |
| 15:52.05 | sjhill | neat |
| 15:52.13 | sjhill | stupid spam |
| 15:52.18 | sjhill | prpplague: thx |
| 15:55.22 | CosmicPenguin | sounds like you need a more lazy watchdog |
| 15:56.19 | CosmicPenguin | You need a greyhound |
| 15:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | runs fast for 15 seconds and then sleeps for 9 hours |
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| 16:17.14 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: sounds like sex |
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| 16:44.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Good Morning! |
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| 16:53.21 | ds2 | morning |
| 16:53.28 | RobotGuy | Howdy |
| 17:01.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know you are busy. I am off to the doctor, taking the old Hammer with me to ship off to TCT. :) Back later! |
| 17:16.00 | prpplague | well i finally tracked down the tinyx build issues in buildroot |
| 17:16.14 | prpplague | looks like the uclibc build isn't turning on wchar support properly |
| 17:27.09 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:27.28 | prpplague | the tinyx build hasn't been updated in 6 years |
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| 18:04.09 | zcc | hey, slight question, and I know its gona sound noob-tastic, but anybody have an idea how hard it would be to port over Android to zipit's Z2? |
| 18:05.30 | zcc | acording to euedge.com, "Android should run on any device with an ARMv5TE CPU + suitable amounts of RAM and Flash" |
| 18:06.19 | zcc | Z2 runs on an xscale, and has 32MB ram. The 8MB flash could be supplemented with SD memory |
| 18:07.09 | roxfan | well, you'll need to port the hw drivers |
| 18:07.21 | roxfan | but the cpu should be enough i guess |
| 18:09.04 | zcc | hmm.. cool. I just wanted to get some opinions before laying out $100 and giving it the ol' college try |
| 18:09.46 | zcc | guess if anything i could just keep it on openembedded and still have a tiny linux machine |
| 18:11.28 | prpplague | zcc: currently the android builds are designed exclusively for arm926t |
| 18:11.29 | zcc | think anything better is gona come along any time soon (in that price range of course) |
| 18:11.48 | prpplague | zcc: i don't recall seeing any xscale based builds |
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| 18:12.20 | zcc | @prpplague: http://euedge.com/blog/2007/12/06/google-android-runs-on-sharp-zaurus-sl-c760/ |
| 18:12.32 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:15.49 | prpplague | zcc: hmm |
| 18:16.11 | prpplague | zcc: if that is indeed the case, then there would be very little real work needed to use android on the z2 |
| 18:17.44 | zcc | @prpplague:cool beans. Its off to ebay then ;-) |
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| 18:21.41 | sunrunner20 | question |
| 18:22.25 | sunrunner20 | is it better to quess currunt driving capcity on trace size or on device usage? |
| 18:22.27 | sunrunner20 | eg |
| 18:22.53 | SpeedEvil | quess? |
| 18:23.01 | sunrunner20 | guess |
| 18:23.02 | sunrunner20 | sorry |
| 18:23.05 | sunrunner20 | the gamecube controlers usage of 3.43 logic line is near nil (unmearurable) |
| 18:23.08 | sunrunner20 | however |
| 18:23.20 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean? |
| 18:23.30 | SpeedEvil | what driving? |
| 18:23.40 | sunrunner20 | its supply trace is nearlly idendtical in size to that of the 5v line which has a draw of 80mA |
| 18:23.53 | sunrunner20 | by a moter |
| 18:24.03 | SpeedEvil | you can't tell from the size of the trace - at those sizes |
| 18:24.18 | SpeedEvil | Once you get >200mA or so, traces might need widened. |
| 18:24.20 | sunrunner20 | its not an itty bitty trace |
| 18:24.30 | sunrunner20 | its clearly a 1-2mm wide trace |
| 18:24.48 | SpeedEvil | But an 80mA line certainly doesn't need that size of trace. |
| 18:24.50 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 18:25.01 | sunrunner20 | its like they designed to handle more power |
| 18:25.04 | SpeedEvil | It's likely it's a default 'power' size trace |
| 18:25.05 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 18:25.21 | SpeedEvil | Very little that doesn't have to be is designed that closely. |
| 18:25.40 | sunrunner20 | ahh |
| 18:25.58 | sunrunner20 | i need to open up my gcn |
| 18:25.59 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 18:26.05 | sunrunner20 | but I don't have the tools |
| 18:26.09 | SpeedEvil | What are you trying to do? |
| 18:26.10 | SpeedEvil | Ebay |
| 18:26.40 | sunrunner20 | i'm going to power my GBA off of my GCN's power |
| 18:26.52 | SpeedEvil | GCN? |
| 18:26.56 | sunrunner20 | gamecube |
| 18:27.06 | sunrunner20 | GC gamecube N nintendo |
| 18:27.06 | SpeedEvil | The GBA uses 2AA? |
| 18:27.11 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 18:27.26 | sunrunner20 | draws ~100mA |
| 18:27.39 | SpeedEvil | where are you getting the 3.3V from? |
| 18:28.03 | sunrunner20 | GCN supplies a 3.43 and a 5v on the controler bus |
| 18:28.27 | SpeedEvil | go back inside the gamecube, and see what the socket is like, and if there are any fuses. |
| 18:28.30 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 18:28.38 | SpeedEvil | What price are gamebubes on ebay? |
| 18:29.36 | sunrunner20 | gamestop has gcns for $30 |
| 18:30.37 | SpeedEvil | I'd not bother, and just connect it and see what happened |
| 18:32.18 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:32.39 | chouimat|sick | hi |
| 18:33.27 | sunrunner20 | lol |
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| 18:50.23 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 18:50.26 | sunrunner20 | theres an idea |
| 18:50.34 | sunrunner20 | goes to recomission a flat point screwdriver |
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| 18:50.40 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:50.50 | prpplague | boy has it been a long time since i did userland stuff |
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| 19:19.55 | ds2 | ewwww more android stuff? :) |
| 19:39.37 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 19:39.40 | sunrunner20 | here we are |
| 19:39.44 | sunrunner20 | my two regulators |
| 19:40.12 | sunrunner20 | (a spair :) ) |
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| 19:43.33 | sunrunner20 | ohhhh |
| 19:44.00 | sunrunner20 | i'm gonna need to put a diode or something on the batteries |
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| 20:05.15 | sunrunner20 | now |
| 20:05.21 | sunrunner20 | time to find some tantulum caps |
| 20:15.22 | sunrunner20 | http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C1,C1003,C1040,C1055,P38628,D25320 |
| 20:15.37 | sunrunner20 | anybody feel like double checking my calculations for adjustable operation when i'm done? |
| 20:20.53 | sunrunner20 | well |
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| 20:20.59 | sunrunner20 | the barn has probally cooled off |
| 20:21.10 | sunrunner20 | whats the best cap? |
| 20:21.13 | sunrunner20 | tantulum? |
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| 20:31.25 | sunrunner20 | whattaya know |
| 20:31.37 | sunrunner20 | crapload of 20v 10uf tantulum caps :) |
| 20:31.47 | sunrunner20 | god I love our collection |
| 20:31.49 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 20:31.58 | sunrunner20 | i have like |
| 20:32.00 | sunrunner20 | 60 of them |
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| 20:40.56 | prpplague | hmm this is really weird |
| 20:41.21 | prpplague | loosing my display settings after the kernel boots |
| 20:42.11 | T0mW | prpplague: heh |
| 20:42.33 | T0mW | prpplague: life is good, then you work with lcd |
| 20:44.02 | prpplague | T0mW: you said you were having some problems with setting up your lcd stuff? |
| 20:44.07 | prpplague | T0mW: on .26? |
| 20:44.39 | ds2 | LCDs are easy |
| 20:45.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea found it, looks like the fbinfo struct was getting marked as __initdata |
| 20:45.24 | sunrunner20 | hey |
| 20:45.32 | sunrunner20 | I LIKE THESE CAPS |
| 20:45.36 | sunrunner20 | OH HEY HEY |
| 20:45.38 | T0mW | ds2: yes, they did make it easier to add one to the kernel... |
| 20:45.50 | sunrunner20 | 10uf each |
| 20:45.56 | sunrunner20 | 35v |
| 20:46.04 | ds2 | T0mW: I mean in general... LCD controllers are nothing more then a fancy wave form generator |
| 20:46.07 | sunrunner20 | week 41 2005 lol |
| 20:46.13 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 20:46.18 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, and the lifetime of __initdata is only during boot, correct? |
| 20:46.23 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 20:46.48 | T0mW | ds2: that part is easy, I have an oscilloscope |
| 20:46.49 | sunrunner20 | will anybody help me with a LDO calc |
| 20:47.47 | ds2 | T0mW: heh... a LA would be better, but doing one blind w/o the tools is good training |
| 20:47.59 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 20:48.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 20:48.11 | T0mW | prpplague: good to know |
| 20:48.13 | ds2 | prpplague: don't mean to disturb you but is it in the mail? |
| 20:48.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: pong |
| 20:49.16 | prpplague | ds2: going out ups overnight, should have it tomorrow, we've been snowed under, and i have two others to ship, so iwas going to do it all at one time |
| 20:49.25 | sunrunner20 | glues two caps together |
| 20:49.26 | T0mW | I have a hammer with a bad pin if anyone is interested in purchasing it? |
| 20:49.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how long has it been since you did x windows stuff? |
| 20:49.38 | T0mW | I think it was GPC12 that I hurt |
| 20:49.41 | ds2 | prpplague: it is fine. just wanted to know when/if I should expect it |
| 20:49.48 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you mean server or client? |
| 20:49.53 | prpplague | ds2: i'll have tracking number for you in the morning |
| 20:50.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: server side |
| 20:50.03 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 20:50.09 | sunrunner20 | they show only 10uf on the typical |
| 20:50.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: about 30 minutes, why? |
| 20:50.15 | ds2 | prpplague: don't worry about it if you get buried |
| 20:50.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my touchscreen orientation is backwards |
| 20:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | thats unfortunate |
| 20:50.44 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 20:50.46 | ds2 | that is a easy fix in the touch screen driver |
| 20:50.48 | sunrunner20 | I have plunty of room |
| 20:50.53 | sunrunner20 | and plunty of caps |
| 20:50.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: question, should i fix that in the touchscreen driver, or should i tweak an x setting? |
| 20:51.04 | ds2 | OR you can try running ts_calibrate first |
| 20:51.13 | ds2 | prpplague: you ran ts_calibrate yet? |
| 20:51.15 | CosmicPenguin | probably in the touchscreen driver |
| 20:51.48 | ds2 | prpplague: for standard TSLIB stuff (most X servers use TSLIB), ts_calibrate will work around that |
| 20:52.03 | prpplague | ds2: if they horizontal and vertical are reverse, i won't think it would figure that out |
| 20:52.12 | ds2 | prpplague: it did for me |
| 20:53.06 | prpplague | ds2: you sure we are talking about the same issue? |
| 20:53.12 | CosmicPenguin | yes, the calibrator should be able to figure out 180 degree turns |
| 20:53.20 | ds2 | prpplague: I think you |
| 20:53.32 | ds2 | run ts_test and if it shows up there, that is definitely the same thing |
| 20:53.44 | CosmicPenguin | I lie - it should be able to handle any orientation |
| 20:53.47 | ds2 | I had to fix it twice as one app didn't use ts_lib and I got to that second |
| 20:54.53 | T0mW | OK! |
| 20:55.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea this is more than orientation |
| 20:55.19 | CosmicPenguin | example? |
| 20:55.45 | T0mW | prpplague: that Hammer that I thought I hurt? That pin is working (VD4), I guess I did not have a pullup (load) on that pin when I discovered it was "bad". doh! |
| 20:56.01 | T0mW | so, I have two good hammer chips |
| 20:56.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: moving the stylus left causes the cursor to go up |
| 20:56.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the axis are reversed |
| 20:56.44 | CosmicPenguin | oh, thats totally a ts_calibrate problem |
| 20:56.50 | ds2 | it is a rotation + origin being in the wrong place right? |
| 20:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | oh, wait - its an X input problem |
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| 20:57.11 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno how to fix that - I could fix it for you in microwindows, if yo uwanted |
| 20:57.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats ok, tweaking the touchscreen driver |
| 20:58.46 | markus | is it possible to "emulate" a small screen by opening a smaller screen, with the size of the lcd, inside xwindow on a desktop computer, and then x portforward open the network to that screen? |
| 20:59.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looking at the code and the schematic, it does appears that *cough* the EE connected them in reverse |
| 20:59.09 | markus | from an development board. |
| 20:59.11 | markus | a |
| 20:59.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doh! |
| 20:59.25 | prpplague | markus: yes |
| 20:59.54 | prpplague | markus: xnest can be used for that |
| 20:59.56 | markus | prpplague: what i need to do is to make a new screen section somehow in my xorg config? |
| 21:00.04 | markus | ok, ill google on xnest tomorrow then |
| 21:00.05 | CosmicPenguin | There is just no defense again that sort of failure |
| 21:00.13 | markus | prpplague: thanks |
| 21:00.51 | prpplague | np |
| 21:00.56 | ds2 | I am almost sure that stuff can be worked around with ts_calibrate |
| 21:01.07 | ds2 | key being 'almost' :/ |
| 21:02.09 | prpplague | does a quick hack for testing |
| 21:02.23 | sunrunner20 | there we go |
| 21:02.31 | sunrunner20 | two tantlum caps glued together |
| 21:02.32 | sunrunner20 | um |
| 21:02.49 | ds2 | the hack is easy enough to do in the driver for some software *cough* android *cough* |
| 21:03.18 | CosmicPenguin | You should get that cough looked at |
| 21:03.20 | CosmicPenguin | it sounds serious |
| 21:04.03 | ds2 | :) |
| 21:04.26 | sunrunner20 | damnit |
| 21:04.41 | sunrunner20 | what ever these are made of |
| 21:04.58 | sunrunner20 | super glue takes forever to dry |
| 21:05.10 | ds2 | used too much? |
| 21:05.14 | ds2 | low humidity? |
| 21:05.37 | sunrunner20 | lol @ used too much |
| 21:05.44 | sunrunner20 | i'm glueing tantlum caps together |
| 21:05.59 | ds2 | why? |
| 21:06.00 | sunrunner20 | I barely put a spec on there |
| 21:06.17 | sunrunner20 | easier to solder that way |
| 21:06.34 | sunrunner20 | I want 20uf and individually they are 10 |
| 21:06.34 | ds2 | *shrug* 2 pin parts are easy to do |
| 21:06.35 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 21:06.46 | sunrunner20 | i glue their bases together |
| 21:06.53 | ds2 | good pair of tweezers |
| 21:06.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:07.37 | prpplague | ds2: yea, well its just a matter of switching the adc's registers for the s3c24xx |
| 21:08.30 | ds2 | you did it there? heh I just swap around the stuff passed to input_report_abs() |
| 21:08.56 | ds2 | the rest of the stuff doesn't matter; it is only a lie that needs to be told to the input layer :) |
| 21:08.56 | prpplague | hmm, guess i could do that too |
| 21:09.27 | ds2 | but I guess if the board is wired wrong, matching the wiring is good for the next guy's sanity ;) |
| 21:09.55 | prpplague | hmm, might be nice to add a define for "swap axis" |
| 21:11.35 | CosmicPenguin | fixlackofclue=1 |
| 21:12.27 | ds2 | make it dependant on the value of 'clue' ;) |
| 21:12.41 | ds2 | if ( clue < MAGIC_CLUE_LEVEL ) { .... } ;) |
| 21:13.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorrywefsckedup=100 |
| 21:13.59 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:14.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:15.19 | sunrunner20 | *shorts in and shdn* |
| 21:17.07 | prpplague | it's so lovely to see buildroot do a tinyx compile again |
| 21:17.34 | ds2 | hack build root to use ccache |
| 21:17.50 | prpplague | ds2: why? |
| 21:17.58 | ds2 | then complain on LKML about how slow fork/exec is ;) |
| 21:18.08 | ds2 | prpplague: so those recompiles are mostly no ops |
| 21:18.10 | ds2 | nops |
| 21:18.35 | prpplague | ds2: ?? |
| 21:18.57 | ds2 | prpplague: about the fork/exec or about ccache? |
| 21:19.06 | prpplague | about ccache |
| 21:19.20 | ds2 | are you familiar with ccache before I go further? |
| 21:21.06 | prpplague | yes, i'm familiar with ccache, just that i don't recompile stuff unless there is a specific reason |
| 21:21.23 | prpplague | not exactly like i'm building OE level stuff |
| 21:21.53 | ds2 | buildroot (at least the gumstix hack of it) seems to like rebuilding stuff so ccache should help there...just need to get it to use ccache since it likes building its own toolchain |
| 21:22.17 | prpplague | ds2: sounds like they have some stamp files broken |
| 21:24.27 | ds2 | could be *shrug* |
| 21:27.11 | g1powermac_PB | well, THAT was fun |
| 21:27.52 | g1powermac_PB | massive huge shoe delivery on top of all the other stuff I needed to get done |
| 21:28.49 | SpeedEvil | For Ms Hubbard? |
| 21:29.48 | g1powermac_PB | no, for the shoe store we own |
| 21:35.22 | SpeedEvil | Oh - diddn't know. |
| 21:35.43 | SpeedEvil | considers more shoe-based puns, then decides to drop it. |
| 21:36.08 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 21:36.32 | T0mW | prpplague: you have a color logo for the Hammer ? |
| 21:36.56 | prpplague | T0mW: not for t he hammer perse |
| 21:37.00 | prpplague | T0mW: just TCT |
| 21:37.26 | T0mW | prpplague: that would do, care to email it and I'll add that to the kernel ? |
| 21:37.39 | g1powermac_PB | oh prpplague, wanted to ask you when you expect to ship out the lot I purchased |
| 21:37.49 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe just pick it off the web site |
| 21:38.15 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, thought that you might have a higher res image that I could scale if needed. |
| 21:38.19 | g1powermac_PB | needs to keep the store people informed when packages come in for me, or they think they're shoes. . . |
| 21:38.36 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 21:38.37 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh i don't know, i can check |
| 21:38.41 | sunrunner20 | soo many permutations |
| 21:38.48 | sunrunner20 | dunno how to calculate |
| 21:40.03 | sunrunner20 | http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?navId=H0,C1,C1003,C1040,C1055,P38628,D25320 |
| 21:40.09 | sunrunner20 | page 12 |
| 21:40.22 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: ? |
| 21:40.48 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: shipping about 3 packages today |
| 21:40.56 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: should have tracking in the morning |
| 21:41.11 | g1powermac_PB | awesome |
| 21:41.20 | ds2 | prpplague: you guys don't get UPS pickup? |
| 21:41.21 | T0mW | prpplague: that image will do |
| 21:41.25 | prpplague | doh, i can't believe all the tslib stuff requires g++ |
| 21:41.54 | prpplague | ds2: yea we do, but the shipping girl doesn't bring the info back to me untill the next day |
| 21:42.12 | ds2 | ah gotcha |
| 21:42.44 | sunrunner20 | I can use resistors w/ like 13 ohms for R1 and 2 there because its deviding current to force the voltage up, right? |
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| 21:50.41 | sunrunner20 | whee |
| 21:50.51 | sunrunner20 | is going to try to solder SMD resistors for his project |
| 21:51.04 | sunrunner20 | keyword |
| 21:51.06 | sunrunner20 | try lol |
| 21:52.50 | MonMotha | what case size? |
| 21:53.01 | sunrunner20 | really fing small? |
| 21:53.05 | MonMotha | like 0402? |
| 21:53.23 | MonMotha | or 0201 (aka REALLY f'ing small) |
| 21:53.56 | sunrunner20 | 1mmx2mm |
| 21:54.01 | ds2 | 0201 <-- requires a NBC suit or a dust mask ;) |
| 21:54.10 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 21:54.11 | MonMotha | the board stuffers ask for 100% extra of 0201 usually |
| 21:54.12 | sunrunner20 | not those ones |
| 21:54.21 | MonMotha | 1mmx2mm is pretty big |
| 21:54.23 | sunrunner20 | board stuffers? |
| 21:54.23 | MonMotha | that's at least 0603 |
| 21:54.41 | MonMotha | I can do 0603s and larger with no problem whatsoever |
| 21:54.53 | MonMotha | 0402 I can do, but they take me a long time and a few tries each |
| 21:54.55 | sunrunner20 | its larger than the tip of my soldering iron :) |
| 21:54.59 | MonMotha | 0201 I won't even bother |
| 21:55.55 | MonMotha | yeah, 1mmx2mm should be 0603 |
| 21:56.47 | ds2 | is 0201 small enough to go directly onto the connecting point of a QFN package? |
| 21:57.07 | MonMotha | ds2: probably. I have trouble seeing 0201s |
| 21:57.12 | MonMotha | and I have very good vision |
| 21:57.25 | MonMotha | they blend in on the bench |
| 21:57.42 | sunrunner20 | i think i'll use little blobs lol |
| 21:57.45 | sunrunner20 | errr |
| 21:57.50 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:57.50 | ds2 | i wouldn't consider them until I have a working scope, microscope |
| 21:58.14 | sunrunner20 | use them as filler in epoxy |
| 22:00.36 | g1powermac_apl | hah |
| 22:00.54 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, I just commented out that one line for the pole display driver and it actually compiled and worked |
| 22:01.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl: cool |
| 22:01.06 | g1powermac_apl | though i think i see what that line did |
| 22:01.47 | g1powermac_apl | it allowed access to /dev/usb/lcpd from non root accounts |
| 22:02.38 | prpplague | doh, can't seem to get tslib to cross compile |
| 22:02.55 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, I think this driver was made before udev |
| 22:03.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:03.58 | g1powermac_apl | according to the date in the source. its five years old |
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| 22:06.15 | sunrunner20 | fuck |
| 22:06.24 | sunrunner20 | i had the multimeter set wrong yesterday |
| 22:06.57 | ds2 | measuring a 10A signal with the 50uA setting? ;) |
| 22:07.20 | g1powermac_apl | wonders what the proper way it would be to setup a device node |
| 22:07.42 | adyer | ds2: that usually requires a fuse replacement :-) |
| 22:08.05 | g1powermac_apl | the script included with the driver has it mkdir'ing /dev/usb and mknod'ing /dev/usb/lcpd |
| 22:08.14 | sunrunner20 | ds2: nearly the other way around. measureing a ~10mA w/ the 10A |
| 22:08.18 | ds2 | mknod /dev/foo [c|b] major minor |
| 22:09.09 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, k, now how do you do it so thats done when the kernel detects the device? |
| 22:09.29 | adyer | g1powermac_apl: that sounds like it might be relying on udev for dynamic device file generation |
| 22:09.31 | g1powermac_apl | has very little knowledge on the device driver stuff in linux. . . |
| 22:10.09 | g1powermac_apl | adyer, yea, hmm |
| 22:10.20 | g1powermac_apl | of course I know almost nothing about udev too :-) |
| 22:11.08 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: why not make it static? |
| 22:11.20 | ds2 | or are the major/minors dynamic? |
| 22:11.33 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, cause I don't feel like compiling a new kernel :-) |
| 22:11.35 | adyer | g1powermac_apl: first 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug' to see what's called for a hotplug event |
| 22:11.47 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: eh? |
| 22:11.59 | ds2 | I mean a static /dev entry...that should require no recompile |
| 22:12.07 | g1powermac_apl | oh |
| 22:12.32 | g1powermac_apl | adyer, nothing comes up in hotplug |
| 22:12.40 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, how would I do that? |
| 22:12.49 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: what is the device? |
| 22:13.09 | g1powermac_apl | its a usb pole display meant for a register system |
| 22:13.18 | adyer | g1powermac_apl: then it's not set up. are you running a buildroot based system? |
| 22:13.27 | g1powermac_apl | here's the mknod it uses: mknod /dev/usb/lcpd c 180 128 |
| 22:13.39 | ds2 | ah |
| 22:13.39 | g1powermac_apl | adyer, no, just plain debian |
| 22:13.44 | ds2 | just put that in your rc.local |
| 22:13.54 | ds2 | it is fine to have a /dev entry w/o the device plugged in |
| 22:13.59 | ds2 | does no harm |
| 22:14.07 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, k |
| 22:14.25 | g1powermac_apl | what about the device module, should I stick the modprobe command in that too? |
| 22:14.45 | ds2 | sure |
| 22:14.52 | ds2 | if you insist on using modules :) |
| 22:19.15 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, now how do I let normal users access the device node? |
| 22:19.23 | g1powermac_apl | man, i feel like such a newb atm ;-) |
| 22:19.35 | ds2 | g1powermac_apl: 2 choices - mknod has an argument to set the permissions |
| 22:19.50 | ds2 | or you can follow it with a chmod if you have a mknod that is lacking |
| 22:21.17 | g1powermac_apl | k |
| 22:21.47 | g1powermac_apl | ponders what would be the most secure permissions I should set for it |
| 22:22.05 | g1powermac_apl | but still give access to regular users |
| 22:22.58 | ds2 | what do regular users need to do? |
| 22:23.17 | g1powermac_apl | should be just read and write that file |
| 22:23.30 | ds2 | oh |
| 22:23.38 | ds2 | mode 666 then |
| 22:24.39 | g1powermac_apl | kewl, that did it |
| 22:24.45 | g1powermac_apl | thanks ds2 :-) |
| 22:27.13 | g1powermac_apl | brb |
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| 22:30.52 | g1powermac_apl | awesome, now I just need to write an xchat script to use the pole display :-) |
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| 22:44.29 | g1powermac_apl | hmm |
| 22:44.39 | g1powermac_apl | should use his avr butterfly for something |
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| 22:49.51 | g1powermac_apl | huh, I got a huge collection of avrs and I didn't even know it |
| 22:50.08 | g1powermac_apl | is going through his parts/samples drawer |
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