| 00:31.14 | ico2_ | g1powermac_apl, lol |
| 00:31.45 | g1powermac_apl | ico2_, its amazing how many chips I've accumulated |
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| 00:34.17 | g1powermac_apl | hey RobotGuy |
| 00:34.57 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Hi! |
| 00:35.18 | g1powermac_apl | has been organizing his parts drawers in his lab |
| 00:35.32 | g1powermac_apl | its really scary to see how many chips I've accumulated over the years |
| 00:36.28 | SpeedEvil | finds the same. |
| 00:36.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm contemplating an actual inventory control system. |
| 00:36.55 | SpeedEvil | Rather than 'I'm sure I saw it a couple of years ago' |
| 00:37.18 | g1powermac_apl | SpeedEvil, yea, was thinking that myself |
| 00:41.35 | SpeedEvil | sighs and wishes the 440MX chipset had dedicated 'USB power supply disable' pins. |
| 00:41.56 | SpeedEvil | My laptop trips off USB occasionally on overload, and can't reset without reboot. |
| 00:42.14 | SpeedEvil | I can read the overload bits, but to actually reenable it requires a GPIO somewhere. |
| 00:42.55 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, thats fun |
| 00:43.24 | SpeedEvil | I'm in the process of hacking on my laptop. |
| 00:43.34 | g1powermac_apl | man, I got components and stuff everywhere it seems |
| 00:43.55 | SpeedEvil | REmoving the existing soundcard/modem, putting in a USB soundcard, bluetooth, wifi, GPS |
| 00:44.27 | ds2 | do you have a eeePC? |
| 00:44.32 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:44.58 | SpeedEvil | I have a 8 year old laptop that I like, that exceeds its performance in many ways. |
| 00:45.06 | SpeedEvil | Apart from RAM, processor |
| 00:45.24 | ds2 | wish I could say the same on mine... the @#%$@#!@#@# power jack is falling apart |
| 00:45.52 | SpeedEvil | I've already re-celled the battery, and get close to 8 hours life |
| 00:45.52 | SpeedEvil | in a 1.1Kg package |
| 00:45.52 | g1powermac_apl | has an ancient ibm thinkpad that I'm willing to ship to anyone if they pay for shipping. . . |
| 00:46.03 | g1powermac_apl | the thing is ancient though |
| 00:47.31 | ds2 | if it is the PC110... |
| 00:48.06 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to remember what the km416s8030t is? |
| 00:48.18 | SpeedEvil | It's 128mbit RAM of some sort |
| 00:48.30 | ds2 | samsung memory? |
| 00:48.45 | g1powermac_apl | its a 760l thinkpad |
| 00:48.47 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 00:48.53 | SpeedEvil | I miust have typoed |
| 00:49.02 | g1powermac_apl | I think its like the first one that came with a pentium chip |
| 00:51.08 | SpeedEvil | Ah - 100MHz SDram |
| 00:52.58 | g1powermac_apl | *sigh* I got a second plastic 3 drawer unit today and it still isn't enough |
| 00:53.22 | g1powermac_apl | should take a shot of his new lab |
| 00:53.25 | SpeedEvil | I bought a large number of antistatic bags. |
| 00:53.29 | SpeedEvil | And some labels. |
| 00:53.34 | g1powermac_apl | bought?! |
| 00:53.37 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 00:53.42 | SpeedEvil | The labels go on the bags. |
| 00:53.46 | g1powermac_apl | I got hundreds of them, actually I think I tossed some |
| 00:54.11 | g1powermac_apl | between all the stuff I've bought and sampled, I've got a lot of antistatic bags |
| 00:54.12 | SpeedEvil | I take a picture of the stuff, jam it into a bag, and then the bags go into a divided up drawer, into which they all fit |
| 00:54.40 | SpeedEvil | The idea is that the bags just fit into the drawers - so they can't go sideways or fall over |
| 00:54.47 | g1powermac_apl | ahh |
| 00:55.09 | g1powermac_apl | has a multidrawer unit for the small component stuff |
| 00:57.06 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: How ancient is that laptop?? |
| 00:57.35 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, very |
| 00:57.43 | RobotGuy | is accumulating boxes of samples fast, and it's time to sort out parts for each manufacturer. |
| 00:57.49 | g1powermac_apl | it takes like 10 minutes to load an old debian |
| 00:58.01 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: How very? |
| 00:58.27 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: It only needs to be loaded one time, hopefully, unless you are ME of course. :) |
| 00:58.56 | g1powermac_apl | http://www.ciao.co.uk/IBM_Thinkpad_700_Series__17171 |
| 00:59.01 | g1powermac_apl | made in 1997 |
| 01:02.21 | SpeedEvil | checks chip-dates. |
| 01:02.32 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: That link doesn't really tell me what I want to know. |
| 01:03.12 | SpeedEvil | 9928 seems how old mine is |
| 01:04.27 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, well, its an ibm thinkpad 760l |
| 01:04.35 | g1powermac_apl | can't really find all that great info on it |
| 01:09.43 | RobotGuy | I can't find anything that tells me what I want to know about it. :( |
| 01:12.55 | SpeedEvil | What do you want to know? |
| 01:21.14 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Processor, speed, memory, hard drive, CD?, etc. USB? |
| 01:21.27 | SpeedEvil | At most USB1.1 |
| 01:21.34 | SpeedEvil | probably not |
| 01:22.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:760L |
| 01:22.06 | g1powermac_apl | no usb |
| 01:22.38 | SpeedEvil | If that's really a PCMCIA slot, you can't put a carbus USB adaptor in it. |
| 01:22.48 | g1powermac_apl | exactly |
| 01:23.10 | SpeedEvil | You can in principle write a PCMCIA parallel port I2C->USB driver |
| 01:23.15 | g1powermac_apl | had an old lucent wavelan card in it |
| 01:23.36 | SpeedEvil | using the MAX* I2C->USB chip |
| 01:24.24 | g1powermac_apl | thats interesting |
| 01:24.58 | SpeedEvil | There is no linux driver though |
| 01:25.31 | g1powermac_apl | doesn't mean you can't put one together |
| 01:26.18 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 01:26.41 | SpeedEvil | It's basically a new host-controller. |
| 01:26.50 | SpeedEvil | Over a wacky bus. |
| 01:27.06 | SpeedEvil | Write a working one, and I'll pay you $10. |
| 01:27.08 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:27.15 | RobotGuy | I was thinking in terms of something I could easily carry with me along with a robot like W.A.L.T.E.R. that I could use for demoing and programming Hammer. Hmmmm, Flyswatter has a serial port though.. |
| 01:28.27 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: How heavy is it and does it have two real serial ports? |
| 01:29.00 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, heh, thats out of the question, unless you want to buy a new battery, the battery is completely shot :-) |
| 01:29.39 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: I'm affraid that is a show stopper for me. Dang. |
| 01:30.13 | SpeedEvil | sighs at silly thoughts. |
| 01:30.27 | SpeedEvil | Yes, my laptop chipset can support 512M of RAM. |
| 01:30.37 | SpeedEvil | This does not make it sensible to upgrade it. |
| 01:32.20 | g1powermac_apl | hrmm, brb, dang usb errors |
| 01:33.37 | ds2 | they make a CF based USB host controller |
| 01:33.58 | ds2 | and CF will work in a pure PCMCIA slot |
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| 01:35.46 | g1powermac_apl | argh |
| 01:35.57 | g1powermac_apl | wonders why his card reader isn't working under linux now |
| 01:37.42 | g1powermac_apl | I keep getting this error in the dmesg when i stick a cf card into the reader: usb 4-6.4: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 01:40.02 | g1powermac_apl | hmmmm |
| 01:40.08 | g1powermac_apl | its the pole display driver |
| 01:40.17 | g1powermac_apl | its messing with my usb stuff |
| 01:41.00 | g1powermac_apl | sigh, I'm gonna have to figure out what that driver is really doing |
| 01:45.56 | g1powermac_apl | anyway, got new shots of my lab up |
| 01:46.03 | g1powermac_apl | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2547064170/ |
| 01:46.10 | g1powermac_apl | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2547064180/ |
| 01:47.02 | g1powermac_apl | behind those brown book cases in shot #2 are all the old computers, there's actually a whole other section to the room over there |
| 01:47.07 | g1powermac_apl | currently filled with boxes |
| 01:48.43 | g1powermac_apl | alright, time to switch to my powerbook. . . |
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| 03:13.27 | sunrunner20 | damn |
| 03:13.28 | sunrunner20 | i want to give |
| 03:13.43 | sunrunner20 | my psyc doc a hug for changing my pills |
| 03:15.21 | sunrunner20 | my hands are soo much steader how |
| 03:15.23 | sunrunner20 | *now |
| 03:15.24 | sunrunner20 | anyway |
| 03:15.39 | sunrunner20 | back to glueing these SMD resistors onto |
| 03:27.38 | sunrunner20 | mmm |
| 03:27.40 | sunrunner20 | smd |
| 03:27.44 | sunrunner20 | and enabled wire |
| 03:27.45 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 03:27.52 | sunrunner20 | it works :) |
| 03:28.00 | sunrunner20 | this |
| 03:28.03 | sunrunner20 | is going to be interesting |
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| 03:33.09 | sunrunner20 | wootnetss |
| 03:33.13 | sunrunner20 | *wootness |
| 03:33.15 | sunrunner20 | i can doo it |
| 03:33.17 | sunrunner20 | *do |
| 03:35.37 | sunrunner20 | where to place the regulator to have plunty of convection currents |
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| 07:27.20 | markus | yo |
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| 13:20.31 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:20.44 | prpplague | i really don't like doing userland stuff :( |
| 13:44.42 | T0mW | prpplague: TinCanTools logo looks ugly in 224colors against a black background |
| 13:45.02 | T0mW | washed out, poor stand-out |
| 13:45.26 | T0mW | prpplague: you guys may make a great product, lousy logo though. heh |
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| 13:52.47 | T0mW | When GUIs write to frame buffer, they do it via the kernel routines, don't they? |
| 13:53.11 | T0mW | IOW, they don't write directly into the framebuffer RAM themselves? |
| 13:53.32 | prpplague | T0mW: correct |
| 13:53.37 | T0mW | good! |
| 13:53.38 | prpplague | T0mW: the /dev/fb |
| 13:53.43 | prpplague | T0mW: is whats used |
| 13:53.49 | prpplague | T0mW: (or normally used) |
| 13:55.17 | g1powermac | well, that was just freikin fun |
| 13:55.43 | g1powermac | cable line at the store went down, first time ever |
| 13:55.46 | T0mW | This 12bpp mapping thing still has me bugged. It seems odd that I would have to re-order the nibbles to match what the LCD wants. I thought that this stuff would have been "standard" |
| 13:56.16 | g1powermac | then the thing suddenly went back online right when the tech support guy was scheduling a tech to come down and check the hardware |
| 13:56.32 | prpplague | T0mW: something doesn't sound righjt |
| 13:56.38 | T0mW | I almost want to modify the hardware and swap the nibbles on the 8bit data port of the LCD cable. But, I'm not sure what other issues that might cause. |
| 13:57.00 | T0mW | prpplague: I know, it doesn't somehow seem "right". |
| 13:57.06 | prpplague | T0mW: you do know there are several bit swapping flags in the controller right? |
| 13:57.17 | g1powermac | now time warner has no clue as to whats happening |
| 13:57.35 | g1powermac | hates being the network admin here |
| 13:58.01 | T0mW | bswapmask, I saw that but there doesn't seem to be any docs about it. |
| 14:00.50 | T0mW | prpplague: you talking about this: CONFIG_FB_CFB_REV_PIXELS_IN_BYTE ? |
| 14:00.52 | g1powermac | sigh, sorry for my rants. . . |
| 14:00.58 | g1powermac | anything interesting going on here? |
| 14:03.19 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, there is also another for endianess |
| 14:04.14 | T0mW | prpplague: freakin' endianess is hardcoded |
| 14:04.37 | T0mW | FB_SHIFT_HIGH is hardcoded. |
| 14:06.11 | T0mW | prpplague: I'll play with the bit swapping bytes and see if I can get them to work, I don't like the idea of redefining the MACRO for FB_WRITEL and FB_READL. Although, they effectively do the same, it is not a "clean" solution to patch the kernel. |
| 14:06.27 | prpplague | T0mW: no, there are specific registers for that |
| 14:06.32 | T0mW | you should be able to flag this need in the mach-tct_hammer structs |
| 14:06.35 | prpplague | T0mW: check the s3c2410 manual |
| 14:06.58 | T0mW | you can only swap to the byte levels,no deeper |
| 14:07.16 | T0mW | that is from the manual and playing with the lcd controller setting.s |
| 14:07.32 | prpplague | T0mW: i guess i'm not understanding your problem then |
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| 14:08.52 | T0mW | the prob is the linux driver, it is shifting the bits the wrong direction. if it shifted them into the long to the left, it would work ok. Right now, it is doing a right shift which is hard coded via the endianess (FB_SHIFT_HIGH in include/linux/fb.h) |
| 14:10.10 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh yea, thats because the driver was always written for tft's , the stn support was added a long time later |
| 14:10.24 | prpplague | T0mW: and what stn support was added was just 4 or 8 bpp |
| 14:10.30 | T0mW | yupper |
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| 14:11.11 | T0mW | 2,4,8, or 16bits would work using the bit shifter logic. 12 bits is broken as it is an odd-multiple |
| 14:11.30 | T0mW | all the other bpp are evenly divisiable into 32 bits |
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| 14:13.13 | T0mW | although, the logic is "in there" to handle an oddball bpp, it prolly has never actually executed before my 12bpp attempt. That is all I can figure out, or, that the logic itself is compatible with a 12bpp display that uses a differing ordering |
| 14:14.21 | T0mW | fb_rev_pixels_in_long() would be a solution, if I can flag the bitshifter somehow to use it before reading / writing the framebuffer ram. |
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| 14:39.12 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 14:39.23 | RobotGuy | Hi |
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| 14:40.13 | g1powermac | is prepping to use his old firewire camcorder as a magnifyier and recorder for working on pcbs |
| 14:40.30 | g1powermac | this old camcorder can get really close shots without a macro lens, amazingly |
| 14:46.10 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 14:49.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: tinyx builds but it is sooooo out of date, it isn't even worth building |
| 14:49.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Time to update versions then. :) |
| 14:49.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not that simple |
| 15:02.16 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, its just that tinx hasn't been worked on in years |
| 15:02.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What needs to be done to update tinyx? |
| 15:02.24 | g1powermac | was looking at tinx a while ago |
| 15:02.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ahhh. |
| 15:03.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Dead Hammer shipped yesterday. |
| 15:03.06 | prpplague | g1powermac: tinyx/kdrive is part of the current x11r7 and xorg builds |
| 15:03.33 | prpplague | g1powermac: its just that buildroot configuration for tinyx is still set for all the items on the old handhelds.org builds |
| 15:04.13 | CosmicPenguin | is it still building the monolithic x code? |
| 15:06.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: haven't gotten that far to answer that |
| 15:06.28 | prpplague | been ages since i did gui stuff |
| 15:07.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well - if it before the split, then you would need to add packages for all of the individual libraries that used to build under one package before |
| 15:07.14 | CosmicPenguin | if you intend to move up to a more modern edition of kdrive that is |
| 15:08.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 15:08.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats kind of what i thought |
| 15:08.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: much prefer the older Xfbdev |
| 15:08.42 | CosmicPenguin | the new code is better |
| 15:08.47 | CosmicPenguin | more work, but less pain in the end |
| 15:08.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how about size? |
| 15:09.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how does the overall compare to the old Xfbdev? |
| 15:10.17 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know where kdrive is sitting lately |
| 15:10.27 | CosmicPenguin | everybody seems to be happily using it in OE land |
| 15:10.33 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't listened to any complaints |
| 15:13.18 | T0mW | prpplague: odd, "echo 2 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/rotate" doesn't do anything. That should be where you set rotation, correct? |
| 15:13.59 | prpplague | T0mW: i've never used that feature |
| 15:18.34 | g1powermac | prpplague, ahh |
| 15:19.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: ?? |
| 15:19.21 | g1powermac | thought tinyx was a dead project |
| 15:19.41 | g1powermac | maybe it was another embedded x thing |
| 15:19.55 | T0mW | g1powermac: I think it is now called X-kdrive |
| 15:20.17 | g1powermac | T0mW, ahh |
| 15:20.40 | T0mW | at least, that is what it is known as in OE |
| 15:20.46 | prpplague | g1powermac: techincally it was always kdrive, its just that for some reason everyone tended to call it tinyx |
| 15:21.25 | T0mW | silly authors, didn't know the correct name for their project... |
| 15:21.30 | T0mW | :D |
| 15:22.01 | CosmicPenguin | kdrive has emerged as the accepted name |
| 15:22.36 | prpplague | T0mW: the s3c24xx fb driver doesn't have a rotate function, so the sysfs call won;t do anything |
| 15:23.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you mainly use xorg? |
| 15:23.45 | T0mW | bah |
| 15:24.14 | prpplague | T0mW: what are you wanting to rotate? the console or something else? |
| 15:24.40 | T0mW | the frame buffer itself needs to rotate 180 due to the viewing angle |
| 15:25.15 | prpplague | T0mW: what gui are you usign? |
| 15:25.29 | T0mW | just console for now |
| 15:25.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: excusively - we don't have a kdrive port for Geode |
| 15:29.09 | g1powermac | prpplague, ahh, ok, it must have been another X I was thinking of then |
| 15:29.28 | prpplague | T0mW: just turn on fbrotation in your kernel |
| 15:30.15 | prpplague | g1powermac: probably thought it was dead since the transition from most people calling it tinyx to people calling it kdrive |
| 15:31.37 | sunrunner20 | hey |
| 15:31.38 | sunrunner20 | guyes |
| 15:32.18 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:32.28 | prpplague | so the xorg tree doesn't have kdrive anymore |
| 15:32.34 | prpplague | as a monolithic |
| 15:32.46 | prpplague | wonder whats being used by the OE folks |
| 15:33.42 | sunrunner20 | http://funvampires.com/2008/05/01/modular-robot-reassembles-when-kicked-apart/ |
| 15:33.48 | g1powermac | ahh, it was Nano-x I was thinking of |
| 15:33.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jeeze, just like mallum to generate a logo like this - http://www.pokylinux.org/ |
| 15:34.02 | prpplague | coughs uncontrablly |
| 15:34.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: uh blame CosmicPenguin |
| 15:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | I did nothing |
| 15:35.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the xorg tree does so have kdrive |
| 15:35.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what are you smoking? |
| 15:36.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you sure? i just downloaded a copy and it had "this has been removed" type message |
| 15:36.10 | prpplague | downloads again |
| 15:36.43 | CosmicPenguin | http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=tree;h=c775d4f45b09557f5803bdd15dcd907498237fcf;hb=26e7e69ab893d1f2b35213250ada40ec90944f62;f=hw/kdrive |
| 15:36.48 | CosmicPenguin | looks like its there to me |
| 15:37.17 | prpplague | thats odd |
| 15:37.25 | prpplague | that directory is empty on my download |
| 15:37.31 | prpplague | redownloads |
| 15:39.48 | prpplague | guess i'm gonna have to break down and use OE |
| 15:39.56 | prpplague | i/try |
| 15:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | try poky |
| 15:41.05 | CosmicPenguin | or just get the xserver git tree |
| 15:42.10 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 15:44.03 | prpplague | forgot how much he dislikes userland stuff |
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| 15:52.13 | sunrunner20 | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKK |
| 15:52.16 | sunrunner20 | that was CLOOOSE |
| 15:53.47 | chouimat|work | my eyes!!!! |
| 15:54.14 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 15:54.20 | CosmicPenguin | nothing the goggles they do |
| 15:54.36 | *** kick/#edev [sunrunner20!n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com] by prpplague (prpplague) |
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| 15:54.52 | *** kick/#edev [sunrunner20!n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com] by prpplague (prpplague) |
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| 16:00.20 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: I just almost got my finger cut off by an exacto knife that snaped while I was using it |
| 16:00.21 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 16:00.40 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 16:00.43 | sunrunner20 | sorry all the same |
| 16:00.57 | prpplague | sunrunner20: please refrain from doing that |
| 16:01.01 | prpplague | sunrunner20: ever again |
| 16:01.46 | sunrunner20 | sorry, was scared :\ |
| 16:02.02 | sunrunner20 | or however you spell it |
| 16:02.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how the heck do you turn off the option to build qemu? |
| 16:02.40 | CosmicPenguin | whowhatwhenwhre? |
| 16:02.48 | prpplague | poky/oe |
| 16:02.55 | prpplague | it seems to want to build a ton of stuff |
| 16:03.05 | prpplague | i have no need for qemu |
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| 16:03.25 | CosmicPenguin | you need to set it up for your machine |
| 16:03.40 | CosmicPenguin | unless you just want to try it out first, then I do recommend building the quemu version for giggles |
| 16:04.15 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.pokylinux.org/doc/poky-handbook.pdf |
| 16:04.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just trying one out first |
| 16:04.18 | CosmicPenguin | Read it, learn it, love it |
| 16:04.26 | prpplague | grumbles |
| 16:04.36 | prpplague | i don't see where it says "to turn off qemu do this" |
| 16:05.11 | CosmicPenguin | but it is set up to build a target for qemuarm by default |
| 16:06.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've already changed it to build the gta01 |
| 16:06.26 | CosmicPenguin | oh, the fic-gta01? |
| 16:06.40 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:07.57 | CosmicPenguin | When you run bitbake to build the image - is the MACHINE variable correct? |
| 16:08.05 | CosmicPenguin | it should say something to the effect of |
| 16:08.15 | CosmicPenguin | MACHINE = "fic-gta01" |
| 16:09.21 | prpplague | yea, looks correct so far |
| 16:09.41 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - and its still building qemu collateral? |
| 16:11.53 | prpplague | looks so |
| 16:12.09 | CosmicPenguin | strange |
| 16:13.09 | prpplague | starts over |
| 16:14.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you always start the bitbake in the build dir? |
| 16:17.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i'll let it build anyway this time |
| 16:17.10 | CosmicPenguin | Um - I think I do mine differently then most eople |
| 16:17.33 | CosmicPenguin | You should follow what ever the instructions do - o-handed is smarter then me |
| 16:17.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess part of the reason i have trouble with OE is i don't feel i have any control of over it |
| 16:17.48 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, o-hand |
| 16:17.59 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:18.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can you issue a command one OE/Poky that lists everything that its going to do? |
| 16:22.18 | CosmicPenguin | sort of |
| 16:22.24 | CosmicPenguin | if you use -n, it will just do a dry run |
| 16:25.47 | prpplague | well it is still running |
| 16:26.00 | prpplague | not sure it will produce anything usable, but its a start |
| 16:26.11 | prpplague | thats much further than i was ever able to get with OE |
| 16:27.40 | CosmicPenguin | I have put a lot of energy into supporting OE, for sure |
| 16:27.44 | CosmicPenguin | but it has given me a lot back too |
| 16:28.06 | CosmicPenguin | I can prototype new code so much faster then the guys on the XO using fedora |
| 16:28.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, OE seems to work for alot of people |
| 16:28.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, if you are needing lots of builds with dependencies, i can see OE as the main choice |
| 16:29.18 | prpplague | i'm keeping my finders cross that poky does the trick |
| 16:29.58 | sunrunner20 | note to self |
| 16:30.09 | sunrunner20 | only traditional carving techniques work on ABS :) |
| 16:31.27 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 16:31.39 | sunrunner20 | ABS lends itself nicely to traditional carving techniques |
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| 16:37.05 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 16:37.13 | sunrunner20 | i stuck a qtip in my jug to get it wet |
| 16:37.23 | sunrunner20 | it came out w/ a bunch of ice cubes stuck to it lol |
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| 17:05.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still cranking |
| 17:06.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how long does a fresh build usually take for you |
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| 17:07.34 | CosmicPenguin | 4 or 5 hours |
| 17:09.28 | prpplague | oh lord |
| 17:09.40 | prpplague | that means it won;t be done untill tomorrow |
| 17:12.55 | prpplague | i love the fact that i can have a buildroot fresh build in 30 minutes |
| 17:13.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: once you have the OE/Poky toolchain complete how do you use it outside of OE/Poky? |
| 17:13.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just add it to your PATH ? |
| 17:14.01 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:14.10 | CosmicPenguin | are you going to be disapointed |
| 17:14.17 | CosmicPenguin | you need to read the documentation |
| 17:20.01 | prpplague | if i stop the build and restart it, will it restart at the same place or does it have certain completion stages? |
| 17:34.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: once you've done the initial build how long does it take to rebuild the image when changing the contents? |
| 17:35.04 | CosmicPenguin | seconds |
| 17:36.29 | prpplague | and if you change machines, i.e. you have two machines that are similiar but have some different packages, does it use the same binaries from the othe build? |
| 17:37.56 | prpplague | leaves poky building and goes back to buildroot for now |
| 17:39.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only on task 120 of 2920 |
| 17:39.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, you can support multiple images with the same set of packages |
| 17:39.17 | CosmicPenguin | assuming the processor is the same |
| 17:39.21 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:39.36 | prpplague | same processor |
| 17:47.42 | prpplague | looks like the most difficult portion(and time consuming) is getting the initial build complete |
| 17:47.49 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 17:48.36 | prpplague | is there any way to edit what the inital build needs? because i'm still seeing stuff like qemu as part of this build |
| 17:51.41 | CosmicPenguin | is it qemu, or is it emulator related? |
| 17:51.47 | CosmicPenguin | maybe it is a dependency |
| 17:52.44 | prpplague | it appears to be full qemu |
| 17:54.46 | prpplague | i found an entry adding an additional depends for "qemu-config" |
| 17:56.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: would that be enough to require qemu? |
| 17:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | perhaps |
| 17:58.04 | prpplague | http://svn.o-hand.com/view/poky/trunk/meta/conf/distro/poky.conf?rev=4579&view=markup |
| 18:03.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like glibc is coded to require qemu |
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| 18:12.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this is the kind of stuff that i have problems with for OE/Poky , i can't seem to find how to turn that off |
| 18:21.35 | ds2 | ObComplaintOfDay: I really really hate apps that insist on raising itself if it receives any clicks at all@#$#$!@#!@$@#@ |
| 18:25.11 | agaffney | o_O |
| 18:25.16 | agaffney | I'd expect that behvaior |
| 18:25.19 | agaffney | *behavior |
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| 18:34.42 | ds2 | agaffney: expect?! why? only certain apps do it |
| 18:35.03 | ds2 | the normal/correct behavior is for it to raise itself if it is clicked on the title bar.. the basic xterms comply and behave correctly |
| 18:35.19 | ds2 | (and yes, I run point to focus, not click to focus) |
| 18:35.23 | chouimat|work | complaint of the day: why the senior management want us to use sexchange? |
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| 18:36.48 | ds2 | refuse ;) |
| 18:39.09 | agaffney | chouimat|work: because they're management, and therefore mentally retarded? |
| 18:39.24 | chouimat|work | probably |
| 18:42.35 | agaffney | chouimat|work: and probably because some consultant told them to |
| 18:43.21 | chouimat|work | agaffney: i guess but with imap dying every 30 minutes ... anyway orifice 2007 seems to work with wine :) |
| 18:43.48 | agaffney | my imap server works fine :P |
| 18:43.53 | agaffney | courier-imap ftw |
| 18:51.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still cranking |
| 18:51.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: almost worth trying to put the build on the dev server to see if it would go any faster |
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| 19:07.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh, python is too old for the dev server |
| 19:08.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Python 2.4.* ? |
| 19:08.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 2.2 |
| 19:08.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm sure buildroot has 2.4.x |
| 19:09.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: doesn't do my much good for the dev server |
| 19:09.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't understand. |
| 19:10.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm trying to do a poky build and it requires the host pc to have pything 2.3 or higher installed |
| 19:11.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You must have a very different setup on your dev server. |
| 19:11.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why is that? |
| 19:12.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't know what poky is. |
| 19:12.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: a variation of OE |
| 19:13.30 | ds2 | Python is evil! ;) |
| 19:13.38 | prpplague | indeed |
| 19:13.59 | ds2 | once you get through this then it'll be libraries and the plugins next :( |
| 19:14.20 | ds2 | assuming the pkg-configs and ./configures don't get you first |
| 19:16.05 | prpplague | ds2: redhat/fedora |
| 19:16.08 | prpplague | ds2: rpms |
| 19:21.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, OK |
| 19:21.55 | RobotGuy | ds2: Why do you say that? |
| 19:22.10 | ds2 | RobotGuy: previous experience |
| 19:22.25 | RobotGuy | ds2: Your experience does not match mine with Python. |
| 19:22.28 | ds2 | python is one of the worse possible languages imaginable for one |
| 19:22.45 | ds2 | when white space is significant, it is evil |
| 19:23.16 | RobotGuy | ds2: You'll have to do better than that to convince me Python is bad. |
| 19:23.43 | ds2 | come back when you have to fix 100 %#@$@%@#$#@ Scons files after a conversion from Makefiles to scons |
| 19:23.58 | ds2 | SCons == replacing make with a bunch of python scripts |
| 19:24.15 | CosmicPenguin | how dare you speak ill of Python |
| 19:24.18 | RobotGuy | ds2: I've never really looked at SCons. |
| 19:24.54 | ds2 | I'd sooner program in pure sh then python |
| 19:25.00 | chouimat|work | ds2: it force you to properly indent your code :) |
| 19:25.04 | CosmicPenguin | go stand in the corner and pray for the computer science gods to clense your non opbject oriented soul |
| 19:25.07 | ds2 | at least sh makes sense |
| 19:25.32 | ds2 | chouimat|work: intent it according to some j.random person's idea of identation |
| 19:25.35 | chouimat|work | ds2: you can make "spagetthi code" in any language |
| 19:26.11 | ds2 | chouimat|work: and the reverse - you can make object code in any lanaguage if you have proper discipline |
| 19:26.29 | RobotGuy | ds2: It's just proper indentation, like what should be used with any programming language. |
| 19:26.31 | ds2 | <-- not CS :) |
| 19:26.49 | RobotGuy | ds2: Me either. No degrees at all. |
| 19:26.49 | ds2 | RobotGuy: proper heh... like a proper religion? :) |
| 19:27.15 | RobotGuy | ds2: Don't you indent your code? |
| 19:27.37 | ds2 | RobotGuy: I do... my there are hundreds of ways of identing |
| 19:27.49 | ds2 | the Mickeysoft folks like doing it one way |
| 19:27.57 | ds2 | then there is the linux kernel style and .... |
| 19:28.06 | chouimat|work | ds2: since there is no 'begin'/'end', {/} in python it make sense that whitespace are to be used for block delimation |
| 19:29.06 | RobotGuy | ds2: If you don't like Python, don't use it. :) |
| 19:29.21 | ds2 | RobotGuy: I don't ;) |
| 19:29.32 | RobotGuy | ds2: I do :) |
| 19:29.36 | chouimat|work | ds2: and after spending 3 weeks with ugly perl code with 9 differents coding style in the same files, python style is relaxing for the eyes :) |
| 19:30.06 | CosmicPenguin | some people look at source code and see whitespace, and some people see code |
| 19:30.11 | ds2 | chouimat|work: that is a lack of discipline for the perl programmers |
| 19:30.32 | chouimat|work | ds2: actually it |
| 19:30.42 | ds2 | isn't fortran the only other language that whitespace is significant? |
| 19:30.44 | chouimat|work | 's more like "senior management don't give us enough time' |
| 19:31.05 | agaffney | ds2: it's only significant in the sense that the first 6 or 7 characters must be blank |
| 19:31.17 | agaffney | other than that, it's "willy nilly" |
| 19:31.49 | RobotGuy | ds2: It's not whitespace that is significant in FORTRAN. FORTRAN is column oriented - certain fields for certain types of things. |
| 19:34.17 | chouimat|work | punch card leftover |
| 20:15.19 | RobotGuy | is tinkering with kernel 2.6.26-rc4 |
| 20:18.30 | sunrunner20 | know what? |
| 20:18.47 | sunrunner20 | if there is ONE redeaming factor about the dyson this is it |
| 20:19.21 | sunrunner20 | empties the tank and "searches" his room for the part he droped with it |
| 20:19.25 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Are you in the right window? |
| 20:19.57 | agaffney | the dyson has many redeeming qualities |
| 20:20.12 | agaffney | like how it sucks better than a $200 hooker |
| 20:20.19 | agaffney | it's scary what mine picks up |
| 20:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | also like the $200 hooker |
| 20:21.05 | sunrunner20 | should see what a good whole house system does then >_> |
| 20:21.08 | agaffney | hah |
| 20:21.33 | sunrunner20 | anyway |
| 20:21.42 | sunrunner20 | time to search for that part i've spent like 10 minuets working on |
| 20:22.12 | sunrunner20 | and like an hour cutting a hold in my gba for it |
| 20:22.38 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: You should cut holes instead. :) |
| 20:23.05 | CosmicPenguin | maybe he is on a ship - have you considered that? |
| 20:23.31 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: That would explain much! :D |
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| 20:28.25 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 20:28.28 | sunrunner20 | i found a stylus |
| 20:28.28 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 20:28.32 | sunrunner20 | not my connecto |
| 20:28.33 | sunrunner20 | r |
| 20:28.35 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 20:31.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you see the start of my Getting Started tutorial? |
| 20:32.24 | prpplague | nope , i'm totalyl swampped and will be for the next 30-60 days |
| 20:32.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, OK. |
| 20:33.11 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, anyone know why when I cat a dev node it tells me its an invalid argument? |
| 20:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | which node? |
| 20:34.59 | g1powermac_apl | /dev/raw1394, its for my dv camcorder |
| 20:35.44 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.45 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.52 | CosmicPenguin | That might have somethign to do with it |
| 20:36.08 | g1powermac_apl | huh |
| 20:36.13 | g1powermac_apl | hmm |
| 20:36.34 | CosmicPenguin | drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.c |
| 20:38.44 | prpplague | boy OE/Poky is very very dependent on python and tcl |
| 20:38.46 | g1powermac_apl | is wondering why kino can't access my camcorder. . .it keeps saying that it can't read/write /dev/raw1394 |
| 20:38.48 | prpplague | or it seems that way |
| 20:40.28 | CosmicPenguin | tcl? |
| 20:40.58 | RobotGuy | Tool Control Language |
| 20:41.59 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Check to be sure you are in the right groups in /etc/group - sounds like a permission problem, which is common. |
| 20:42.42 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, I thought that myself but I did chmod a+rw to /dev/raw1394 which should have fixed the permissions problem |
| 20:43.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uh oh, i found an unused server in the server room |
| 20:43.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dual 3.06 |
| 20:43.31 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: What is the owner and group for that /dev file? |
| 20:43.35 | prpplague | takes it over |
| 20:44.06 | g1powermac_apl | crw-rw-rw- 1 root disk 171, 0 2008-06-03 16:28 /dev/raw1394 |
| 20:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - yay! |
| 20:44.12 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, heh |
| 20:44.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: maybe that will help with poky builds |
| 20:44.28 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: You need to put yourself in the disk group then. |
| 20:44.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gotta load it with f9 first |
| 20:45.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: You will have to relog to make the new change effective. |
| 20:45.41 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, now wouldn't running kino under root get rid of any permissions issues? |
| 20:45.48 | g1powermac_apl | has tried that as well to no avail |
| 20:46.29 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: You would sure think that would do it, but it's never a good idea to stay logged in as root. You can always "su -" when you need to. |
| 20:46.40 | g1powermac_apl | thats what I did |
| 20:46.55 | g1powermac_apl | I su'ed and then ran kino from the root terminal |
| 20:47.06 | g1powermac_apl | knows better not to login as root :-) |
| 20:47.15 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: From a gui like KDE? |
| 20:47.24 | g1powermac_apl | xfce |
| 20:47.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: I've given all the suggestions I can think of. What distro are you running?? |
| 20:48.21 | g1powermac_apl | standard debian |
| 20:48.21 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Hmmm, I don't know then. |
| 20:49.36 | g1powermac_apl | you know, the odd part is there is no group called 'disk' |
| 20:50.22 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Are you SURE about that? If it shows "disk" as the group, then there must be a "disk" group listed in /etc/group. |
| 20:50.34 | T0mW | prpplague: "File-backed Storage Gadget", is that working so that the board appears as a USB drive ? |
| 20:51.40 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, yea, I just double checked /etc/group |
| 20:51.50 | g1powermac_apl | nothing in there labeled 'disk' |
| 20:52.11 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: That should not be possible. |
| 20:52.52 | g1powermac_apl | bah, ok, you're right, I missed it. . .bad me ;-) |
| 20:54.02 | prpplague | T0mW: the tests that i have done it works |
| 20:54.10 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks |
| 20:55.24 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: My Kung-Fu is strong. :D |
| 20:55.58 | CosmicPenguin | you keep telling yourself that |
| 20:56.22 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I have to in order to keep doing stuff. |
| 21:03.25 | RobotGuy | Well, I have not been feeling well since last night so am going to go lay down for awhile. |
| 21:09.42 | g1powermac_apl | thinks he found his problem |
| 21:10.00 | g1powermac_apl | new firewire stack in the 2.6.24 kernel has been causing grief |
| 21:10.18 | g1powermac_apl | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=47611 |
| 21:12.38 | g1powermac_apl | decides to build new kernel |
| 21:18.35 | sunrunner20 | i |
| 21:18.38 | sunrunner20 | hate my life |
| 21:18.46 | sunrunner20 | i spent an hour looking for that part |
| 21:18.48 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 21:19.00 | sunrunner20 | it was hiding in a nook in my chair |
| 21:19.14 | SpeedEvil | BTDT |
| 21:19.20 | sunrunner20 | btdt? |
| 21:19.22 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.openhardware.net/HammerLCD_screen.jpg |
| 21:19.22 | SpeedEvil | Though looking for my glases. |
| 21:19.25 | SpeedEvil | Been Tehre, Done That |
| 21:19.30 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 21:19.33 | SpeedEvil | (which were on my face) |
| 21:20.00 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 21:20.04 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 21:20.05 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: sound like me this morning ... damn pneumonia medication |
| 21:20.20 | prpplague | T0mW: nice |
| 21:20.27 | sunrunner20 | my sight is bad enough that I can tell if I am wearing them or not :0 |
| 21:20.30 | sunrunner20 | err :) |
| 21:20.40 | chouimat|work | T0mW: nice |
| 21:21.35 | T0mW | prpplague: some rough edges to polish off still: enc28j60 packet loss, USB keyboard connect misfires |
| 21:21.40 | T0mW | chouimat|work: thanks |
| 21:22.11 | T0mW | but, I am almost ready to start with OE and get tinyx / GPE working on it. |
| 21:27.58 | g1powermac_apl | T0mW, nice |
| 21:30.04 | GPSFan | T0mW: you need this: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Zipit/tincan.ppm |
| 21:30.32 | CosmicPenguin | it would be funnier if he was _in_ the tin can |
| 21:30.44 | T0mW | LOL |
| 21:30.49 | T0mW | YES! |
| 21:31.00 | T0mW | We need to put Tux in a can |
| 21:31.23 | T0mW | peering out from it |
| 21:31.28 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: I thought of having tux popping out of the can, or hoisting a can of beer, |
| 21:31.45 | g1powermac_apl | T0mW, a can like suit would be awesome, with the wings and feet sticking out holes of the can :-) |
| 21:33.24 | SpeedEvil | 'So ironic my head exploded' |
| 21:33.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/08/06/03/monopoly.at.itunes.store/ |
| 21:33.30 | prpplague | T0mW: sounds like noise on your usb line or something |
| 21:33.56 | g1powermac_apl | SpeedEvil, hehehe |
| 21:33.58 | T0mW | prpplague: it could be the keyboard, I'll pick up another one and try it. |
| 21:34.25 | T0mW | this is one of those tiny usb keyboards, 12" wide |
| 21:34.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: cute |
| 21:35.49 | T0mW | I'll need to modify Apex so it will init a framebuffer, then fill it with an image. The screen is empty too long after powerup. |
| 21:35.49 | GPSFan | prpplague: I was working on a z2 logo, and threw this one together just for grins. |
| 21:35.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:41.29 | *** part/#edev adyer (n=adyer@adsl-69-223-13-78.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 21:48.36 | prpplague | jeeze, F9 needs one package off disk5 |
| 21:48.49 | prpplague | so now i have to download 650mb for one package |
| 21:53.36 | Crofton | dvd :) |
| 21:54.19 | prpplague | Crofton: how is a dvd better? you have to download off it then |
| 21:54.35 | Crofton | well, you have all the packages :) |
| 21:56.29 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:04.36 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 22:05.14 | sunrunner20 | I just cut wire 3 times before I figured out the right pressure for stripping the insultor off of it. lol! |
| 22:09.03 | sunrunner20 | man |
| 22:09.31 | sunrunner20 | it would be nice to have a soldering iron that was inductivly powered |
| 22:10.37 | g1powermac_apl | yeesh, it would be nice to have a cpu fan that you didn't hear the second you opened the basement door. . . |
| 22:10.49 | g1powermac_apl | really need to get a quieter one |
| 22:11.11 | g1powermac_apl | this thing sounds like a jet taking off when compiling a kernel |
| 22:15.05 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 22:15.06 | sunrunner20 | mmm |
| 22:15.08 | sunrunner20 | watercooling |
| 22:15.23 | sunrunner20 | i have two 120mm fans |
| 22:15.26 | sunrunner20 | running at like |
| 22:15.30 | sunrunner20 | 37% PWM |
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| 22:15.58 | sunrunner20 | at one point |
| 22:16.07 | sunrunner20 | the only other fan in the system was my PSU fan |
| 22:16.13 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 22:17.44 | sunrunner20 | but I don't have a waterblock compatible with my 8800GTS grapics (sp?) card |
| 22:23.27 | g1powermac_apl | alright, brb, testing new kernel |
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| 22:34.57 | g1powermac_apl | well, the kernel hangs on boot |
| 22:35.02 | g1powermac_apl | no clue why either |
| 22:37.51 | g1powermac_apl | still might be this experimental firewire stack |
| 22:38.02 | g1powermac_apl | going to take it out completely |
| 22:38.22 | ds2 | what board are you using? |
| 22:38.32 | g1powermac_apl | its just a standard pc |
| 22:38.39 | g1powermac_apl | my dev machine |
| 22:38.55 | T0mW | GPSFan: how about this for a logo? http://www.openhardware.net/logo_linux_clut224.ppm |
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| 22:41.57 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 22:41.58 | sunrunner20 | here goes |
| 22:42.04 | sunrunner20 | only one chance to make this work right |
| 22:42.15 | g1powermac_apl | alright, brb again, testing now with experimental firewire stack removed |
| 22:43.28 | GPSFan | T0mW: that's cool, but it needs a hammer in there somewhere ;>) |
| 22:44.17 | T0mW | :/ |
| 22:44.44 | T0mW | I put the text "Hammer" on it in green, that should do it. heh |
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| 22:47.23 | g1powermac_apl | sigh, its still hanging |
| 22:47.37 | ds2 | make the T the hammer |
| 22:48.19 | ds2 | and the C a sickle? ;) j/k |
| 22:48.19 | g1powermac_apl | wonders how he could figure out why the newer 2.6.25.4 kernel is hanging on boot |
| 22:49.13 | g1powermac_apl | it just dies after registering my usb devices |
| 22:50.26 | ds2 | what board/hw? |
| 22:53.01 | g1powermac_apl | brb, trying something else |
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| 22:54.27 | Lars_G | Hey all. |
| 22:54.31 | Lars_G | Meh, no prp |
| 22:58.03 | sunrunner20 | mmmm |
| 22:58.51 | sunrunner20 | man, this is going to be a slick mod :) |
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| 22:59.37 | g1powermac_apl | bwahahah |
| 22:59.57 | g1powermac_apl | decided to just disable the experimental firewire stack in 2.6.24 and that did the trick |
| 23:00.13 | g1powermac_apl | still wonder though what will happen when I upgrade to a newer kernel |
| 23:00.33 | Lars_G | I kind of like where marvell is taking the arm |
| 23:01.12 | sunrunner20 | i wonder |
| 23:01.22 | sunrunner20 | whats the resistantc of a typicall solder connection? |
| 23:01.39 | T0mW | sunrunner20: very low |
| 23:01.47 | SpeedEvil | Close to the resistance of the copper wire adjacent to it. |
| 23:01.58 | Lars_G | The arduino is cool but why get one when you have more bang in the same package with a hammer |
| 23:02.04 | T0mW | sunrunner20: unless, it is a cold solder joint |
| 23:02.20 | sunrunner20 | kk, cause i'm getting .9 ohm for a small connector |
| 23:02.22 | sunrunner20 | brb |
| 23:02.51 | T0mW | sunrunner20: that, is another issue: connector contact resistance... |
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| 23:06.02 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 23:06.04 | sunrunner20 | there is |
| 23:06.16 | sunrunner20 | the two probes to consider :) |
| 23:06.18 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 23:06.21 | sunrunner20 | s/is/are |
| 23:06.23 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 23:06.29 | sunrunner20 | probs +connector |
| 23:06.30 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 23:06.33 | sunrunner20 | alls good |
| 23:06.33 | ds2 | for small stuff, you should use a 4wire measuring system |
| 23:06.46 | sunrunner20 | 4 wire o.0 |
| 23:06.53 | ds2 | small as in small resistance, not physically small |
| 23:07.22 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, I figured out the problem with the camcorder |
| 23:07.42 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, turned out there's a new experimental firewire stack in the newer kernels that mess things up |
| 23:07.43 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: What was it? |
| 23:07.55 | T0mW | heh, as in Kelvin? |
| 23:07.59 | g1powermac_apl | once I knocked off that selection its working fine |
| 23:08.10 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Great! |
| 23:08.14 | ds2 | Kelvin? |
| 23:08.19 | g1powermac_apl | now I just need to stop my camera from auto power off. . . |
| 23:08.20 | sunrunner20 | ds2: i'm packing stuff in a small space so I was jamming it around alot... had to make sure I hadn't broken the solder joints |
| 23:08.25 | g1powermac_apl | stupid canon. . . |
| 23:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | who is kelvin? |
| 23:08.26 | ds2 | I only know that as a cheap import meter brand |
| 23:08.42 | sunrunner20 | lol ds2 |
| 23:08.54 | ds2 | sunrunner20: 4 wire takes the probe resistance out of the picture |
| 23:09.09 | T0mW | kelvin bridge is used for low-resistance measurement. Take account of the wire + contact resistance |
| 23:09.24 | ds2 | ah... seems kelvin is the proper name for it |
| 23:09.34 | SpeedEvil | Kelvin was a scottish scientist that invented tons of stuff. |
| 23:09.40 | T0mW | kelvin bridge is used for low-resistance measurement. Take account of the wire + contact resistance of the measurement fixture + metering |
| 23:09.55 | SpeedEvil | From the soliton, to the concept of absolute zero, to ... |
| 23:10.04 | sunrunner20 | ah |
| 23:10.11 | sunrunner20 | its not nessacarily <1 ohm |
| 23:10.20 | T0mW | my first "computer" job was measuring high-precision resistors with a Altair 8800 |
| 23:10.43 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I owned an Altair 8800a for awhile. |
| 23:10.45 | ds2 | normal 2 wire DMMs are pretty inaccurate <10ohms |
| 23:10.48 | T0mW | heh |
| 23:11.08 | ds2 | +/- 1 digit == +/-10% min + probe lead + other stuff |
| 23:11.09 | T0mW | RobotGuy: in the day, they were hideously expensive |
| 23:11.32 | sunrunner20 | all I really care is my current still floweth ^_^ |
| 23:11.39 | *** part/#edev Lars_G (n=Lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) |
| 23:11.47 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I had it connected to an ASR-33 Teletype with paper tape reader. Had to enter the loader on the front panel switches, then I could load BASIC and programs using paper tape. |
| 23:11.59 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Yes, they were expensive then. |
| 23:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Visual basic? :) |
| 23:12.15 | T0mW | RobotGuy: all I can say is: PDP-8 |
| 23:12.19 | SpeedEvil | still has some core somewhere. |
| 23:12.57 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I never worked on a PDP-8, but did work on an LSI-11 (I think that's what it was). |
| 23:13.20 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Apple core? |
| 23:13.22 | SpeedEvil | And a 24" disk drive platter |
| 23:13.39 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: I think it was out of a cash register |
| 23:13.47 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I remember the first large removable platter hard drives. |
| 23:14.13 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: They were all of 5 MB of storage. |
| 23:14.27 | SpeedEvil | Looking at a graph of storage prices is insane. |
| 23:14.52 | ds2 | I wish I could find a junked 24" drive |
| 23:15.01 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 23:15.17 | ds2 | more useful parts to pull out then the current 3.5" drives |
| 23:15.26 | SpeedEvil | I still have the spindle motors from some 8" SCSI drives. |
| 23:15.27 | T0mW | yeah, sounds about right. IIRC the PDP-10 came out before the PDP-8, but the '8 replaced it. I worked in ATE (Auto Test Eng) doing board testing with them. Interesting job, the PDP-11 system actually had an instrumentation bus: power supplies, voltmeters, freq counter,... |
| 23:16.04 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Those might be usable in robots. |
| 23:16.20 | T0mW | is done for the day |
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| 23:40.02 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, you know whats odd is that in due course of trying to get my camcorder working, I tried upgrading my kernel to 2.6.25.4 and it would hang on boot |
| 23:40.20 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm |
| 23:40.34 | g1powermac_apl | I eventually just removed the experimental firewire stack in 2.6.24, but that bit is bugging me |
| 23:40.35 | RobotGuy | I'm tinkering with 2.6.26-rc4 now |
| 23:44.55 | g1powermac_apl | yea, I'll prolly try out 2.6.26 once its officially released |
| 23:45.03 | g1powermac_apl | hopefully it'll actually boot on my machine |
| 23:45.23 | RobotGuy | I was away from working with Hammer long enough that I forgot how everything comes together in the kernel and rootfs. |
| 23:45.41 | sunrunner20 | twiddels his thumbs while he waits for the glue to dry |
| 23:47.05 | g1powermac_apl | look how close I can get with this camcorder without a macro lens: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2549790600/ |
| 23:47.30 | g1powermac_apl | that would be a .5mm pitch qfp |
| 23:49.05 | sunrunner20 | bastard :P |
| 23:50.04 | sunrunner20 | i need a macro for my camrea |
| 23:50.11 | RobotGuy | That's pretty darn nice! If my monitor were near my work table, I'd seriously consider getting a very good webcam, like the Creative one. |
| 23:50.11 | sunrunner20 | *camera |
| 23:50.40 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: The real question is can you actually work on boards using it. |
| 23:50.59 | SpeedEvil | I've done soldering using the cretive webcam |
| 23:51.01 | SpeedEvil | worked fine for me |
| 23:52.07 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, not sure, but it sure could come in handy when looking for solder bridges and other nasties after soldering |
| 23:52.10 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: That's the Optiva (or Aptiva?) |
| 23:52.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/06/13/review_creative_live_cam_optia_af/ |
| 23:52.41 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: No doubt about that! |
| 23:52.41 | g1powermac_apl | tends to actually like to see what he's soldering directly, which is one reason I got the magnifying visor |
| 23:52.58 | g1powermac_apl | however, to search for solder bridges is a different story |
| 23:53.18 | sunrunner20 | ohhhh crud |
| 23:54.17 | sunrunner20 | i just shot a tinny glass tube across the room |
| 23:54.19 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, now of course if I don't like what my old camcorder gives me in picture quality, I still have my $2000 production camcorder I could use ;-) |
| 23:54.29 | sunrunner20 | i forget what they're called |
| 23:54.46 | sunrunner20 | they suck up fluids |
| 23:55.10 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: OK, you use the expensive camcorder and send me the other one.. ;) |
| 23:55.40 | g1powermac_apl | hehehe |
| 23:56.06 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: pippette? |
| 23:56.10 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 23:56.15 | sunrunner20 | its even smaller than those |
| 23:56.24 | SpeedEvil | holla: hardware and software problems. |
| 23:56.26 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:56.36 | sunrunner20 | usually one time use |
| 23:56.50 | sunrunner20 | these do it via surface tension or something |
| 23:57.42 | RobotGuy | I'm off to get some food and spend money I shouldn't spend. Later. |
| 23:58.48 | g1powermac_apl | oh phewy, he left |
| 23:59.03 | g1powermac_apl | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2548986277/ |
| 23:59.24 | g1powermac_apl | thats from a cell phone using a tripod and my makeshift macro lens |
| 23:59.56 | g1powermac_apl | those resistors are the ones that look like grains of sand |
