| 00:01.09 | sunrunner20 | SpeedEvil: capillary tube |
| 00:01.18 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 00:01.46 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:01.49 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 00:02.04 | sunrunner20 | not nessacairlyy the proper name |
| 00:02.15 | sunrunner20 | but describes it well enough |
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| 00:37.23 | g1powermac_apl | alrighty, just now fixed up the permission issue with /dev/raw1394 by slightly adjusting a udev rule :-) |
| 00:37.36 | g1powermac_apl | now kino works right from the start |
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| 03:14.07 | sunrunner20 | he he |
| 03:16.39 | sunrunner20 | i glued the SMD resistors to the face of the TO220 LDO (can't just solder them to the face, have to glue them there) |
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| 07:26.43 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 12:16.54 | sunrunner20 | mmmm |
| 12:16.58 | sunrunner20 | sometimes |
| 12:17.09 | sunrunner20 | its nice to be lawful |
| 12:19.07 | sunrunner20 | or just not perverted... |
| 12:20.01 | sunrunner20 | email from verizon "changes to terms of service... <really long text block> "section a: Changes in child pornography laws..." Well... I have nothing to do with that *skip* |
| 12:23.01 | SpeedEvil | Is that the 'drawings can be porn too' law? |
| 12:23.55 | SpeedEvil | finds it silly that several hundred thousand people in the UK probably posess child porn - based on the fact they've used copies of the Sun to wrap things in the attic. |
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| 12:24.20 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
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| 12:24.30 | g1powermac_PB | mornin GPSFan |
| 12:24.34 | SpeedEvil | (popular 'newspaper' that made a feature of half-naked 16 year olds.) |
| 12:24.41 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: howdy |
| 12:24.55 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I got my camcorder working last night |
| 12:25.11 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: cool |
| 12:25.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:25.23 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: look at the kind of shots I can get with it with my makeshift macro lens: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2548986277/ |
| 12:25.27 | SpeedEvil | streaming video? |
| 12:25.32 | sunrunner20 | lord that would be stupid |
| 12:25.35 | SpeedEvil | And what sort of makeshift? |
| 12:25.46 | g1powermac_PB | thats from a cellphone, and those resistors are the ones that look like grains of sand |
| 12:26.15 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: its an actual macro lens I bought from a surplus store a while back, but it isn't mounted on a ring |
| 12:26.27 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: so I have to hold it up to the camera lens to use it |
| 12:26.29 | sunrunner20 | SpeedEvil: theres a law somewhere that says somethign made by human hands can be considdered illegal pornography? |
| 12:26.43 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: yes - UK and US IIRC |
| 12:26.52 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: and probably other places |
| 12:27.02 | sunrunner20 | dear god the stupidity |
| 12:27.32 | SpeedEvil | child porn even. |
| 12:27.44 | SpeedEvil | And attract much the same sentance. |
| 12:27.52 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 12:28.05 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: thats nice, now you need to work on the lighting |
| 12:28.30 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: yea, I know, I need diffused lighting badly |
| 12:28.46 | sunrunner20 | i'd rather the perves find somebody skilled enough to draw up fake pics if they refuse to get help than the real thing... |
| 12:29.00 | sunrunner20 | g1powermac_PB: get a flash and aim it at the ceiling |
| 12:29.26 | g1powermac_PB | sunrunner20: flashes don't work when using camcorders :-) |
| 12:29.32 | sunrunner20 | right lol |
| 12:29.44 | sunrunner20 | shhhh i'm a SLR boy |
| 12:29.45 | g1powermac_PB | needs to buy some decent video lighting one day |
| 12:30.01 | g1powermac_PB | is an amateur videographer |
| 12:30.12 | sunrunner20 | now, where to find two dead AA's |
| 12:31.39 | sunrunner20 | or near dead |
| 12:31.42 | SpeedEvil | holds up 2. |
| 12:31.52 | SpeedEvil | You can borrow them if you like. |
| 12:31.53 | sunrunner20 | I tossed all mine out |
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| 12:33.41 | sunrunner20 | ok |
| 12:33.43 | sunrunner20 | found some |
| 12:33.47 | sunrunner20 | don't know if they are dead |
| 12:33.54 | sunrunner20 | but they're old as #($*# |
| 12:33.59 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 12:34.10 | sunrunner20 | remote :) |
| 12:34.36 | g1powermac_PB | should find a lens mount for this macro lens he's using. . . |
| 12:34.51 | SpeedEvil | passes g1powermac_PB a loo-rool center, and duct tape. |
| 12:35.02 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 12:35.04 | sunrunner20 | loo-rool? |
| 12:35.12 | SpeedEvil | loo-roll |
| 12:35.23 | sunrunner20 | wazzzat |
| 12:35.29 | SpeedEvil | Toilet-roll |
| 12:35.35 | sunrunner20 | ohh lol |
| 12:35.39 | sunrunner20 | ohh |
| 12:35.40 | sunrunner20 | loo |
| 12:36.13 | sunrunner20 | I didn't peice it together because of the dash lol |
| 12:39.51 | sunrunner20 | hmmm |
| 12:39.56 | sunrunner20 | tunsten carbid |
| 12:39.58 | sunrunner20 | vs stell |
| 12:40.01 | sunrunner20 | *steel |
| 12:40.29 | sunrunner20 | checks dremel's site |
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| 12:49.35 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 12:49.35 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 12:49.41 | sunrunner20 | thats not how you open up a AA |
| 12:49.46 | sunrunner20 | instead of opening it up |
| 12:49.56 | sunrunner20 | i jut removed the postive terminal lol |
| 12:50.31 | SpeedEvil | Why do you want to open it up? |
| 12:50.48 | sunrunner20 | put shiz inside |
| 12:50.56 | sunrunner20 | know what |
| 12:50.58 | sunrunner20 | screw it |
| 12:51.06 | sunrunner20 | *whips out the cutting disks |
| 13:09.30 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
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| 13:09.35 | sunrunner20 | i'm down to my last cut off wheel |
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| 13:22.13 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 13:22.17 | sunrunner20 | shipping kilz |
| 13:22.27 | sunrunner20 | the deal online is awsome |
| 13:22.28 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 13:22.36 | sunrunner20 | I can't buy that many dremel disks atm |
| 13:22.51 | SpeedEvil | what are you cutting? |
| 13:23.01 | sunrunner20 | AA shells :) |
| 13:23.13 | sunrunner20 | and misc stuff |
| 13:23.13 | SpeedEvil | A junior hacksaw would work much better |
| 13:23.21 | sunrunner20 | woulden't |
| 13:23.31 | sunrunner20 | won't fit lenghtwise |
| 13:24.38 | SpeedEvil | What are you trying to make? |
| 13:24.49 | sunrunner20 | hollow blanks :) |
| 13:25.08 | SpeedEvil | why? |
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| 13:26.03 | sunrunner20 | because i can't find a good place to plant a diode inside the GBA to prevent the LDO from charging the batteries if somebody left some in there |
| 13:26.10 | sunrunner20 | so i'm making the ldo into batteries |
| 13:26.35 | SpeedEvil | You're DOIN IT WRONG! |
| 13:26.52 | SpeedEvil | Get a scrap of thin double sided PCB |
| 13:27.02 | SpeedEvil | Actually, card will work fine |
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| 13:27.11 | SpeedEvil | cut a disk of card 14mm or so in diameter |
| 13:27.36 | sunrunner20 | i'm not going to use dowels |
| 13:27.41 | sunrunner20 | dowels are ugly |
| 13:27.48 | SpeedEvil | Take a small signal diode and place so that the body is along the edge of the disk |
| 13:28.06 | SpeedEvil | wind the leads into two spirals on opposite sides. |
| 13:28.16 | SpeedEvil | Now, you can place the diode in between two batteris |
| 13:28.23 | SpeedEvil | and it'll just comress the springs more |
| 13:29.11 | sunrunner20 | wish this had conventional springs :\ |
| 13:29.23 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:29.30 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy and prpplague |
| 13:29.42 | sunrunner20 | but thats an idea |
| 13:29.46 | RobotGuy | G'Morning |
| 13:29.50 | sunrunner20 | but whats "card"? |
| 13:29.55 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: what do you mean - does the GBA charge its batteries? |
| 13:30.00 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: thick paper |
| 13:30.09 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: look at what I can get from my camcorder with a macro lens: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2548986277/ |
| 13:30.10 | sunrunner20 | no, it doesn't |
| 13:30.14 | sunrunner20 | oh, cardstock |
| 13:30.15 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: greetings |
| 13:30.48 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I was able to get my camcorder working last night and took a shot with it using my makeshift macro lens of a cell phone board |
| 13:31.01 | g1powermac_PB | ie, the link I showed RobotGuy above :-) |
| 13:31.07 | prpplague | thats pretty darn good |
| 13:31.09 | sunrunner20 | i'd be putting a higher voltage on a pair of alkalines aka... revers voltage == charing non rechargables == bad idea :) |
| 13:31.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: G'Morning |
| 13:31.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: greetings |
| 13:31.35 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: yea, I'm really pleased :-) |
| 13:31.45 | sunrunner20 | plus |
| 13:31.52 | sunrunner20 | i'm wondering about heating issues |
| 13:31.54 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: nice lab area |
| 13:32.02 | sunrunner20 | I don't think there will be any |
| 13:32.17 | sunrunner20 | but this could be on for hours at a time |
| 13:32.18 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: thanks :-) |
| 13:32.20 | sunrunner20 | days even |
| 13:32.29 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: so what do you think of the shot? :-) |
| 13:32.42 | RobotGuy | I am creating a new set of wrapper scripts for buildroot that will easily allow multiple versions of everything to be saved and kept separate. |
| 13:32.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: It's very nice. |
| 13:34.12 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: you know, you could get the camcorder I am using off ebay for pretty cheap |
| 13:34.18 | sunrunner20 | ya know |
| 13:34.27 | g1powermac_PB | they're going for about $60 |
| 13:34.28 | sunrunner20 | i bet I could put a diode in the cross over |
| 13:34.30 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 13:34.45 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: it would be a lot better than a webcam |
| 13:35.19 | sunrunner20 | acctually |
| 13:35.24 | sunrunner20 | whats the technall name? |
| 13:35.25 | sunrunner20 | splint? |
| 13:35.27 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: webcams can be very good actually |
| 13:35.29 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I'd have to have money to do that. Right now I am running negative every month. :( :( |
| 13:35.50 | sunrunner20 | the peice of metal that runs one bats - to the others + |
| 13:35.54 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: maybe, but you can't record to a minidv tape with a webcam ;-) |
| 13:35.55 | sunrunner20 | shunt? |
| 13:36.13 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: that does tend to help ;-) |
| 13:36.37 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 13:36.50 | sunrunner20 | i think its made out of steel |
| 13:36.55 | sunrunner20 | impossible to solder to properly |
| 13:36.59 | RobotGuy | I have three doctor appointments this month at $25.00/visit and am going to have to reschedule them due to lack of funds. Trying to find out why my balance is all messed up. |
| 13:37.22 | g1powermac_PB | ouch, that isn't good |
| 13:37.43 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Not when I have to live on a fixed income. :( |
| 13:37.43 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 13:37.59 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 13:39.29 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: heh, my family has become addicted to bbc america ;-) |
| 13:39.35 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 13:39.36 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 13:39.40 | sunrunner20 | can you solder steel? |
| 13:40.02 | sunrunner20 | I forget, I think it is just a *bleep* to do |
| 13:40.04 | g1powermac_PB | hands sunrunner20 a welder :-) |
| 13:40.19 | sunrunner20 | not steel to steel |
| 13:40.20 | sunrunner20 | :P |
| 13:40.25 | g1powermac_PB | oh |
| 13:40.33 | sunrunner20 | i know thats welding :) |
| 13:40.49 | sunrunner20 | but steel - diode - steel |
| 13:43.29 | sunrunner20 | becuase tbh i ususally use steel because solder doesn't stick to it >_> |
| 13:46.55 | GPSFan | sunrunner20: you can solder to steel, it just requires that the surface be clean, and you may need a more active flux than rosin. I do it all the time. |
| 13:47.44 | sunrunner20 | I just tried.... didn't work out too well |
| 13:48.17 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 13:48.18 | sunrunner20 | it stuck |
| 13:48.19 | GPSFan | your mileage may vary, is it mild steel, high carbon steel, stainless steel? |
| 13:48.26 | sunrunner20 | i just broke it off pretty easy |
| 13:49.47 | sunrunner20 | I can fix that issue though |
| 13:50.18 | sunrunner20 | grabs his trusty bottle of superglue |
| 13:52.59 | sunrunner20 | GPSFan: will sandpapering the spot help? |
| 13:53.21 | GPSFan | sunrunner20: yes, so will an active flux like zinc chloride. |
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| 13:53.53 | sunrunner20 | not sure I can find any different flux :\ |
| 13:54.16 | GPSFan | be sure to clean it off after soldering. also if it it isn't "sticking" then the resistance is probably higher than one might want for a power carrien connection. |
| 13:55.36 | GPSFan | you might try some plumbers "acid core solder" as well, again make sure you clean it after soldering. |
| 13:56.39 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, would one of those ultrasonic cleaner tanks clean the excess flux off a pcb? |
| 13:57.02 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: depends on the makeup of the flux. |
| 13:57.19 | g1powermac_PB | standard electronics solder |
| 13:58.05 | g1powermac_PB | with a rosin core |
| 13:58.11 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: use electronics grade alcohol 99% as the solvent, and it should be ok. |
| 13:58.57 | g1powermac_PB | k, was just wondering, don't really have anything to clean atm |
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| 14:00.25 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: for most hobbiest applications it's ok to leave the rosin flux. for commercial stuff, ROHS demands water soluble or no-clean flux. pita |
| 14:00.55 | sunrunner20 | sweet |
| 14:01.05 | sunrunner20 | this stuff is sticking greate to this steel |
| 14:01.13 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: ahh, hmm, I think I got some no clean flux here actually |
| 14:01.39 | g1powermac_PB | got it for using my schmart boards which require flux |
| 14:03.28 | GPSFan | it's when you have a real active flux like HCl or ZnCl you must clean or the flux will corrode your wires/circuits/chips/hands/feet/other-body-parts. |
| 14:04.17 | g1powermac_PB | heh, other-body-parts |
| 14:05.44 | GPSFan | you can even solder to aluminum with the right flux & alloy solder. |
| 14:16.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can environment variables be used in the hammer.cfg and/or hammer.ocd files? |
| 14:17.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no |
| 14:17.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. Durn. |
| 14:17.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you can dynamically generate those files using shell scripts |
| 14:17.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That is true. Hmmmm. |
| 14:18.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It would not be difficult to do either. |
| 14:19.39 | RobotGuy | I would really just have to generate the hammer.ocd script. |
| 14:29.13 | sunrunner20 | jeeze |
| 14:29.19 | sunrunner20 | i can't find any diodes |
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| 14:31.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: On my new "Getting Started with Hammer" howto, I am not getting the table of contents box for some reason. Do you know why? |
| 14:32.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd have to look , and i don't have to do that |
| 14:32.24 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 14:32.54 | sunrunner20 | wow |
| 14:33.38 | sunrunner20 | I'm holding a full reel of CRw0805 resistors in my hand |
| 14:33.42 | sunrunner20 | mouser places that at $40 |
| 14:34.49 | sunrunner20 | I have a fortune of stuff in the barn >_< |
| 14:35.51 | sunrunner20 | know of any big electronic communities that have classifieds? |
| 14:36.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm not going to be much help for the next 45-60 days |
| 14:37.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Alright. I'll just do my best and hope it's usable. |
| 14:37.41 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: that's worth more like $10 |
| 14:37.43 | prpplague | thats all any of us can do |
| 14:38.58 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: $10 new and with all factory markings |
| 14:39.10 | MothaWork | if it's been broken, it's perhaps $5 even if it's still basically full |
| 14:40.57 | sunrunner20 | broken? |
| 14:44.33 | MothaWork | as in if parts have been used or the reel cut into smaller pieces of tape |
| 14:44.42 | MothaWork | basically, if it's not new as shipped from the factory |
| 14:49.01 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: ebay |
| 14:50.28 | SpeedEvil | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=0805+reel |
| 14:53.27 | prpplague | a dual 3ghz box does alot better with poky, hehe |
| 14:54.09 | prpplague | (with a gb of ram) |
| 14:54.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: so did it build anything that works? |
| 14:54.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: just started the build |
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| 14:54.40 | GPSFan | goes back to sleep |
| 14:54.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: from the looks of it, probably 2-3 hours before i'll know |
| 14:54.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:56.17 | GPSFan | prpplague: 2-3 hours is blazing speed, the only successful OE build I've done has taken 6+ hours. (single 2.3G P4 1.25G ram) |
| 14:56.38 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:57.29 | chouimat|work | wonders how much time poky will take on his dual quad core xeon 2.8Ghz with 2GB of ram |
| 14:57.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i don't see that i have much of a choice |
| 14:57.47 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: I should point out that if you have a relationship with a distributor, you can often get full reels of 0805 resistors substantially cheaper than even $10, especially if you're buying several reels of identical values |
| 14:57.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: buildroot just doesn't have enough gui support to do what i need |
| 14:58.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: but OE/POKY are almost over kill |
| 14:58.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: actually not almost, they are |
| 14:58.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: if i had the time i'd fix buildroot, but i don't have the time |
| 14:58.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, OE has the most potential of an build system I've seen so far, but steep learning curve, and random breakage. |
| 14:58.51 | GPSFan | s/an/any |
| 14:58.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: well i'm actually using poky |
| 14:59.15 | GPSFan | poky uses the guts of OE IIRC |
| 14:59.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'd prefer something like buildroot that did basic guis |
| 14:59.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: correct |
| 14:59.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: but they have made alot of changes |
| 14:59.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: i.e. they use svn instead of monotone |
| 14:59.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: plus they have stable releases |
| 14:59.57 | GPSFan | prpplague: wow that's an improvement |
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| 15:00.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 15:00.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: it's a world of difference between OE imho |
| 15:01.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: still pretty bulky though |
| 15:01.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: how much work did you have to do to customize poky for your platform/cpu? |
| 15:02.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: fortunately very little so far, since the fic neo1973 is pretty similiar, so i just used it as a base |
| 15:02.17 | GPSFan | ah |
| 15:02.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: should carry over to the hammer too |
| 15:02.44 | GPSFan | nice |
| 15:02.53 | RobotGuy | My buildroot wrapper scripts are shaping up very nicely! I can now do an almost 100% automated build using any kernel version I choose, and keep each setup completely separate. |
| 15:03.25 | prpplague | nice |
| 15:03.56 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I was bored last night so I started to port the product we are building to hercules ... (S/390 emulator) |
| 15:04.01 | RobotGuy | I can also do it for any buildroot supported platform that I have created a configuration for. |
| 15:04.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: zipping right along, on task 75 of 2904, |
| 15:04.16 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 15:07.53 | RobotGuy | I need to figure out why I can't run openocd non-root. If I can run it non-root, I can FULLY automate my build process. |
| 15:11.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you need to set the permissions on your usb devfs entries |
| 15:11.18 | SpeedEvil | It's probably a usb permissions thing |
| 15:11.28 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that. |
| 15:11.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know it's got to be a permissions problem, but I have already put myself in the correct group. I think there is another problem. |
| 15:11.56 | RobotGuy | checks |
| 15:13.57 | RobotGuy | Yep, I am in the appropriate group (dialout, in this case). |
| 15:15.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and the device entries are being generated with the correct permissions? |
| 15:15.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, permissions are correct - rw for user and group. |
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| 15:16.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you sure you are talking about the correct entries? |
| 15:16.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: /dev/ttyUSB1 in my case. |
| 15:16.42 | prpplague | uh no |
| 15:16.50 | prpplague | thats only for the uart |
| 15:16.54 | prpplague | not for jtag |
| 15:17.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That is the problem, I am probably not in the right group for the JTAG. |
| 15:19.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: libusb doesn't use the ttyUSB device nodes |
| 15:20.00 | RobotGuy | Oh, durn. I'll have to figure out where my permission problem is. |
| 15:20.10 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 15:20.40 | RobotGuy | seens another howto coming into play here. |
| 15:21.03 | RobotGuy | Or an addition to a current JTAG howto. |
| 15:22.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=5676 |
| 15:24.29 | prpplague | "Built around a licensed x86 ARM 11 CPU," uh say what? |
| 15:26.41 | RobotGuy | looks |
| 15:27.52 | chouimat|work | prpplague: wow this must be a great cpu :) |
| 15:28.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work: looks like a typo |
| 15:28.36 | MothaWork | that came from slashdot, probably |
| 15:29.03 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:29.25 | MothaWork | it's kdawson, did you expect it to be right? |
| 15:34.12 | RobotGuy | I like the Freescale i.MX31. :) |
| 15:34.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: don't know kdawson |
| 15:35.07 | SpeedEvil | Freescale shutting fab near me :)( |
| 15:35.52 | RobotGuy | I am waiting to see if Virtual COGs actually comes out with the i.MX31 board they have posted on their wiki. |
| 15:38.27 | MothaWork | prpplague: a newish editor famous for not actually reading anything he posts (or at least that's what it seems like) |
| 15:38.53 | CosmicPenguin | The real wtf is why any of us thing slashdot is still relevant |
| 15:38.55 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:38.57 | CosmicPenguin | s/thing/think/ |
| 15:39.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i generally don't but, no more so than the onion |
| 15:40.15 | chouimat|work | at least the onion is useful |
| 15:40.42 | [AD]Turbo | iMX31 is very nice |
| 15:41.13 | sunrunner20 | sweet |
| 15:41.14 | sunrunner20 | fire a beam of antihydrogen atoms and watch which way they fall |
| 15:42.25 | SpeedEvil | Which has never been done. |
| 15:42.36 | sunrunner20 | The problem is that antihydrogen is neutral and simply falls out of the trap. So some way has to be found to collect and trap these antiatoms. |
| 15:42.39 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 15:42.44 | SpeedEvil | (validating falling of antimatter) |
| 15:45.10 | sunrunner20 | antimatter blimp! |
| 15:45.48 | sunrunner20 | make the hindenburg look like a toy |
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| 16:01.25 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hi there! |
| 16:01.43 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 16:02.07 | g1powermac | got in mouser's new catalog |
| 16:02.34 | g1powermac | I like how they now just include only new products, yet its still an inch thick ;-) |
| 16:16.22 | RobotGuy | Uh oh, I am actually starting to -document- my buildroot wrapper scripts.. ;) |
| 16:28.05 | g1powermac | heh |
| 16:28.48 | g1powermac | needs to remember his buildroot stuff for the zipit |
| 16:29.29 | CosmicPenguin | I have sato running on the XO - looks awesome |
| 16:30.10 | g1powermac | sato? |
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| 16:35.51 | SpeedEvil | ponders Hoshi Sato in a baywwatch spin-off. |
| 16:37.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:38.12 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i was thinking of hoshi as well |
| 16:38.46 | g1powermac | meh, baywatch was a bit before my time :-) |
| 16:39.13 | SpeedEvil | Baywatch is timeless. |
| 16:39.30 | MothaWork | then there's Baywatch the movie: the first movie to be filmed entirely in slow-motion |
| 16:39.57 | prpplague | forget the drugs, just say no to baywatch |
| 16:40.20 | CosmicPenguin | yay for Futurama |
| 16:40.34 | RobotGuy | I really have to get a good magifying light, webcam, and panavice so I can proceed to wire up my sensors on the carrier board. |
| 16:40.35 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:40.59 | RobotGuy | I can't see well enough to solder without these things. |
| 16:41.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 149 of 2904 |
| 16:41.38 | RobotGuy | I think I need to get my eyes checked - it's been a long time since I did that. |
| 16:42.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that dual 3ghz box seems to be doing the build alot faster |
| 16:42.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm hope'n it will finish today |
| 16:43.03 | CosmicPenguin | Are you running with a -j vaule? |
| 16:43.03 | CosmicPenguin | value even |
| 16:43.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uh no clue |
| 16:43.04 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, would be a good thing |
| 16:43.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how would i know? |
| 16:43.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that a bitbake argument? |
| 16:43.15 | CosmicPenguin | PARALLEL_MAKE="-j 3" |
| 16:43.24 | CosmicPenguin | or whatever |
| 16:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | N cores + 1 |
| 16:43.42 | g1powermac | hmm, panavise, interesting |
| 16:43.46 | prpplague | uh, no i don't think so |
| 16:43.53 | prpplague | that be in the local.conf ? |
| 16:44.22 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I know exactly the panavice setup I want, which would work for any sized board I might want to work on. |
| 16:44.34 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, whats the setup? |
| 16:44.45 | g1powermac | has been in the market for something like this for awhile |
| 16:45.00 | g1powermac | I was eyeing this from circuitspecialists: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/9249 |
| 16:45.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: local.conf or site.conf |
| 16:45.09 | CosmicPenguin | site.conf is more proper, but it doesn't matter |
| 16:45.12 | g1powermac | that filter thingie would be nice when soldering |
| 16:45.13 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Vacuum base with the wide PCB holder head. The head has rubber pads to prevent damage to board edges. |
| 16:45.47 | T0mW | prpplague: best performance with Intel Q6600 here is: |
| 16:46.11 | T0mW | PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 8" |
| 16:46.11 | T0mW | BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "8" |
| 16:46.22 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, this head: http://www.panavise.com/nf/vises/vises_head.html#366 ? |
| 16:46.25 | prpplague | T0mW: 8 processor ssystem? |
| 16:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - have you ever gotten 8 threads running at the same time? |
| 16:46.41 | T0mW | if you exceed 8, bitbake processes tangle themselves up and you get scheduling issues. |
| 16:46.48 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Yes, that's the one. :) |
| 16:47.15 | T0mW | prpplague: no, but it keeps the cores fed with more than one build thread. Seems to work much bettern than '4' |
| 16:47.24 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, what do you think of the thing from circuitspecialists? |
| 16:47.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, don't see a site.conf |
| 16:47.51 | T0mW | I haven't tried 12 to see what that does, 16 causes bitbake to get tangled. |
| 16:47.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: see build/conf/site.conf.example |
| 16:48.01 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: It's interesting. I could probably use that too, since I work in a non ventilated space (my apartment). |
| 16:48.25 | g1powermac | just hates getting fumes directly in his face when soldering |
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| 16:48.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only local.conf and local.conf.example in that dir |
| 16:48.55 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I have had bad allergic reactions to chemicals in the past - bad enough to cause me to have to go to the ER, |
| 16:49.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: okay, then add it to local.conf |
| 16:49.14 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 16:49.16 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, oh fun |
| 16:49.29 | CosmicPenguin | the intent of site.conf is to store site specific things (i.e - having to do with your build server), so that you could switch back and forth between different local.conf files for various machines |
| 16:49.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh, build failure |
| 16:49.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh ok |
| 16:50.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: stuff like SVN and GIT proxy information, donwload directories, system information, etc |
| 16:50.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are you using the OE for AML stuff and/or going to set it up for Hammer at some point? |
| 16:50.24 | prpplague | gmp-native failed to build |
| 16:50.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: aml |
| 16:50.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i have no plans at this time to do Poky for Hammer |
| 16:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: log? |
| 16:51.11 | CosmicPenguin | RobotGuy: we will however do the Hoky Poky and dance to MC Hammer |
| 16:51.14 | CosmicPenguin | so thats close enough |
| 16:51.29 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: :P Silly Penguin. |
| 16:51.31 | g1powermac | hahahaah |
| 16:51.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looking now |
| 16:51.40 | g1powermac | its hammer time! :-) |
| 16:52.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, getting "multiple definition" errors |
| 16:52.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: one sec and i'll pastebin |
| 16:52.34 | CosmicPenguin | pastebin |
| 16:55.04 | RobotGuy | http://www.pastebin.ca |
| 17:04.01 | prpplague | http://en.pastebin.ca/1038771 |
| 17:04.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i had to shorten the log |
| 17:04.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there were a ton of similiar errors messages |
| 17:05.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: could the gmp installed on my host pc be conflicting with the build? |
| 17:07.10 | CosmicPenguin | eewww! |
| 17:07.34 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:08.04 | CosmicPenguin | You might need to bother the experts about that |
| 17:08.10 | CosmicPenguin | my gmp doesn't do that... :( |
| 17:08.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which distro? |
| 17:08.30 | CosmicPenguin | Ubuntu |
| 17:08.34 | CosmicPenguin | but it should be completely seperate |
| 17:08.41 | CosmicPenguin | if it isn't, thats massive massive breakage |
| 17:08.44 | CosmicPenguin | did I mention massive? |
| 17:26.23 | prpplague | crap crap crap |
| 17:28.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.50 | sjhill | prpplague: whatcha' doin' ? |
| 17:31.03 | prpplague | sjhill: trying to get poky to build me an image |
| 17:31.27 | prpplague | sjhill: you know i'm not an OE/Poky fan, so its very frustrating |
| 17:31.42 | sjhill | every since Gumby crammed a carrot up Poky's butt, things have never been the same |
| 17:32.58 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 17:37.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like one of the files is getting built with inline functions and the others aren't |
| 17:37.32 | CosmicPenguin | perhaps an patch for ARM is causing that |
| 17:38.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, but this is suppose to be gmp-native |
| 17:39.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so i wouldn't think any arm patches would have been applied |
| 17:41.53 | g1powermac | sigh, this can't be good. . . |
| 17:41.57 | RobotGuy | is upgrading his phone |
| 17:42.15 | g1powermac | had a pretty strong skipped heart beat episode and now I really don't feel good |
| 17:42.26 | g1powermac | first time in quite a few weeks |
| 17:50.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: definetly looks to be an issue with the protoypes |
| 17:52.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep, commented out the section where it was using the inlines and it complete |
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| 17:59.17 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 17:59.20 | prpplague | solar: ping |
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| 18:01.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: moving along now |
| 18:02.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: something about the way the gnuc define for inline prototypes was causing a problem |
| 18:02.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'll retest when i have time |
| 18:02.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i need to show something by friday :( |
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| 18:06.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: native == hostpc?? |
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| 18:08.08 | prpplague | CPU1: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) |
| 18:08.08 | prpplague | CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) |
| 18:08.08 | prpplague | CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 2588) |
| 18:08.08 | prpplague | CPU1: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 2588) |
| 18:08.10 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:08.23 | sunrunner20 | thats one more nice thing you can't deny about mexicans as a whole |
| 18:08.39 | sunrunner20 | they're family people |
| 18:09.09 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 18:10.28 | sunrunner20 | <3 family peeps |
| 18:11.03 | sunrunner20 | now that side notes over lol |
| 18:12.05 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 18:12.07 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 18:12.28 | sunrunner20 | will smack anybody who says they're "stupid" vs "uneducated" |
| 18:12.42 | sunrunner20 | including himself |
| 18:12.51 | sunrunner20 | when speaking wholisticly |
| 18:14.07 | sunrunner20 | on another one of my notes |
| 18:14.17 | sunrunner20 | ohhh |
| 18:14.27 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: do you mind my monologs? |
| 18:15.09 | prpplague | sunrunner20: don't mind mexicans, as long as they are here legally |
| 18:15.36 | prpplague | sunrunner20: otherwise tag them with rfid explosives and send them back home |
| 18:15.54 | sunrunner20 | I don't particarlyy mind illegally, I just want them to get registered asap and pay taxes |
| 18:16.45 | prpplague | sunrunner20: that is rewarding people for doing the wrong thing |
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| 18:17.41 | sunrunner20 | sometimes they get FUD down their |
| 18:17.49 | prpplague | sunrunner20: ?? |
| 18:17.52 | sunrunner20 | thing being smuggled in is the only way to get in |
| 18:18.05 | sunrunner20 | but learn differently when they get here |
| 18:18.12 | sunrunner20 | but are afraid |
| 18:18.14 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 18:18.18 | prpplague | sunrunner20: then they can go home and do it right |
| 18:18.42 | sunrunner20 | they ususally don't have the money to go home :\ |
| 18:18.55 | sunrunner20 | they need an option to do it while here |
| 18:19.13 | prpplague | sunrunner20: the USCIS and ICE will provide free transportation home |
| 18:19.29 | sunrunner20 | and back? |
| 18:19.46 | prpplague | not back, that is their problem |
| 18:19.50 | sunrunner20 | exactly |
| 18:19.55 | sunrunner20 | that could cost hundreds |
| 18:20.02 | prpplague | that is their proble, |
| 18:20.04 | sunrunner20 | getting legalized can cost hundreds |
| 18:20.06 | RobotGuy | Whew, got my phone upgrade all setup now. :D:D |
| 18:20.15 | sunrunner20 | sum it up |
| 18:20.18 | sunrunner20 | a few grand |
| 18:20.20 | sunrunner20 | all at once |
| 18:20.27 | sunrunner20 | most working class people can't afford that |
| 18:20.39 | sunrunner20 | we have to look at it from their point of view |
| 18:21.21 | prpplague | sunrunner20: you don't have to tell me about getting into the US legally |
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| 18:21.39 | g1powermac | heh, yea, prpplague is a bit of an expert at it |
| 18:21.45 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 18:22.02 | prpplague | sunrunner20: i don't have to look at it from their point of view, all i am concerned about is the fact that they break the law when coming here |
| 18:22.05 | sunrunner20 | your not a poor working class, your middle upper class :) |
| 18:22.48 | prpplague | sunrunner20: none the less, if they want to come to the US, they need to come legally, if they choose to come illegally, there should be NO rewards for doing so |
| 18:23.17 | sunrunner20 | unfortunatly no matter what we do there will ALWAYS be a reward |
| 18:23.28 | sunrunner20 | they get to live |
| 18:23.35 | sunrunner20 | chances are |
| 18:23.48 | sunrunner20 | they get worked half to death |
| 18:23.58 | sunrunner20 | come to the US |
| 18:24.06 | sunrunner20 | they get paid 10x and work half as hard |
| 18:24.27 | prpplague | i understand that, but we should never allow illegals to be able to get PR status |
| 18:25.31 | prpplague | sunrunner20: for the year 2007 in the greater DFW area we have 18 head on collision where one vehicle was driving on the wrong side of the road |
| 18:25.35 | sunrunner20 | I agree on a philisophical standpoint |
| 18:25.35 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 18:25.37 | prpplague | sunrunner20: 17 of those were from illegals |
| 18:25.43 | g1powermac | wonders if this could be the sign of the end of windows as its currently incarnated: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/06/04/1746237.shtml |
| 18:25.43 | sunrunner20 | on a pratical standpioint its useless |
| 18:25.54 | prpplague | sunrunner20: 17 wrecks with a total of 98 people killed |
| 18:26.02 | prpplague | sunrunner20: useless? |
| 18:26.13 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 18:26.18 | prpplague | sunrunner20: come on, no PR status , that's useless? |
| 18:26.50 | prpplague | sunrunner20: and i susppose you think illegals should have gotten a tax rebate check? |
| 18:27.06 | sunrunner20 | if they paid taxes |
| 18:27.07 | sunrunner20 | of course |
| 18:27.08 | ds2 | and I suppose you think ANYONE should have gotten a tax rebate check? :) |
| 18:27.14 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 18:27.18 | sunrunner20 | sence they didn't pay taxes |
| 18:27.20 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 18:27.28 | SpeedEvil | Paid some taxes. |
| 18:27.32 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 18:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Sales taxes, forex. |
| 18:27.34 | g1powermac | ds2, I'd actually would like to have my check now instead of a month from now ;-) |
| 18:27.56 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, only in states with sales taxes |
| 18:28.01 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 18:28.11 | g1powermac | however, they do pay other taxes in utilities and gas prices |
| 18:28.16 | SpeedEvil | I thought that was the majority of states |
| 18:28.23 | g1powermac | they tax the crap out of utilities here in this state |
| 18:28.25 | ds2 | it is the majority |
| 18:28.29 | prpplague | ds2: no the rebate was silly |
| 18:28.43 | prpplague | ds2: but i certainly don't want an illegal to get a rebate |
| 18:30.35 | prpplague | sunrunner20: and i particularly don't like them sending their illegal kids to our schools |
| 18:30.55 | prpplague | sunrunner20: i own a house and pay tons of property taxes for schools |
| 18:31.12 | g1powermac | prpplague, depending on the state, they may actually pay taxes for schools |
| 18:31.27 | prpplague | g1powermac: in what way? |
| 18:31.28 | g1powermac | out here, I think all the school taxes come from the crazy utilities taxes |
| 18:31.36 | prpplague | g1powermac: ahh |
| 18:31.54 | prpplague | g1powermac: texas is primarily property taxes |
| 18:31.57 | g1powermac | and they also tax your vehicle too |
| 18:32.15 | g1powermac | forget your land, its quite minimal taxes there |
| 18:32.32 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: iirc, they help pay for school here to, i forget how |
| 18:32.45 | g1powermac | they go after utilities, cars, and sales tax |
| 18:32.49 | prpplague | not in texas |
| 18:33.01 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 18:33.06 | g1powermac | s/there/here |
| 18:33.15 | prpplague | there are some monies from lottery tickets, but for ISD's its primiarily property taxes |
| 18:33.26 | g1powermac | that completely changes the meaning of my own statement ;-) |
| 18:33.48 | g1powermac | err, s/own/one |
| 18:33.56 | g1powermac | bah, I can't write today |
| 18:34.32 | prpplague | call me a radical, but you come illegally and get caught, you get sent back, if you get caught a second time, you get a bullet complimants of USCIS |
| 18:34.37 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: don't feel bad, I never went to public school |
| 18:34.52 | chouimat|work | I can believe this thre is taxes in the usa? |
| 18:35.13 | prpplague | chouimat|work: gotta work on your frenglish |
| 18:35.18 | prpplague | chouimat|work: try again |
| 18:35.19 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:35.20 | chouimat|work | prpplague: not today :) |
| 18:36.25 | g1powermac | prpplague, I agree, except maybe the shooting :-) |
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| 18:36.59 | prpplague | g1powermac: removal of fingers? |
| 18:37.31 | prpplague | oh better yet, removal of a kidney |
| 18:37.44 | prpplague | with it being donated to help those in need of a transplant |
| 18:37.49 | ds2 | let's be fair... bullets and shells are made of metal and that is expensive... drop them off naked in the middle of some desert :) |
| 18:38.02 | g1powermac | is not much into physical punishment. . .I say take all their money first, then send them back |
| 18:38.13 | prpplague | ds2: gas is more expensive than a bullet these days |
| 18:38.29 | g1powermac | money and belongings |
| 18:38.34 | ds2 | prpplague: who said anything about transporting them in a gas powered vehicle? |
| 18:38.36 | prpplague | g1powermac: well thats the whole argument isn't it, they supposedly don't ahve any |
| 18:38.44 | ds2 | harness a group of them together to draw a wagon |
| 18:38.49 | g1powermac | prpplague, hahah, riiight |
| 18:38.50 | prpplague | ds2: oh nice idea |
| 18:38.51 | ds2 | they did come here to work, didn't they? :) |
| 18:38.58 | chouimat|work | ds2: and what? if you can survive 6 months in the desert and make it green you're ok? |
| 18:39.07 | chouimat|work | s/you/they |
| 18:39.16 | g1powermac | there's plenty of questionable mexicans here with plenty of money and belongings |
| 18:39.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 325 of 2904 |
| 18:39.27 | ds2 | chouimat|work: give them a chance to get back south |
| 18:40.02 | g1powermac | prpplague, our shoe store was born in a flea market many years ago, we sold stuff directly to many questionable mexicans |
| 18:40.34 | g1powermac | they carry wads of cash |
| 18:41.17 | chouimat|work | g1powermac being an illegal I would to be paid cash |
| 18:41.23 | chouimat|work | +ask |
| 18:41.43 | g1powermac | they were our best customers too, even though we couldn't understand a word they said |
| 18:43.36 | g1powermac | prpplague, so yea, USCIS could easily turn a profit if they take their money and belongings first |
| 18:44.07 | g1powermac | would also kill the incentive of coming to this country to begin with |
| 18:45.32 | sjhill | does anyone live near El Segundo, or no someone who does? |
| 18:45.34 | chouimat|work | waits to see the US economy colapse |
| 18:45.41 | prpplague | g1powermac: see, now days in texas, if you don't have spanish speaking employees who can talk to customers, you can get sued for discrimination |
| 18:45.56 | prpplague | sjhill: not i |
| 18:46.01 | g1powermac | hah, lovely |
| 18:46.04 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah, kind of figured :) |
| 18:46.09 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 18:46.24 | chouimat|work | is listening to Ghost Riders in the Sky [Stan Jones Cover] by Children of Bodom on Blooddrunk [Amarok] |
| 18:47.55 | RobotGuy | I think those coming into the US from outside should have a set time to become at least conversationally fluent and understand English. |
| 18:48.02 | prpplague | sunrunner20: basically it boils down to the fact that the US immigration system is totally broken |
| 18:48.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there is a requirement for that, only if your are getting citizenship |
| 18:48.31 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and nobody want to fix it :) |
| 18:48.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there is no requirment for PR |
| 18:48.40 | RobotGuy | Only US Citizens should bet benefits from the US. |
| 18:48.56 | RobotGuy | s/bet/get |
| 18:49.02 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: permanent resident should too |
| 18:49.04 | prpplague | chouimat|work: plenty that want to fix it, just not anyone in congress |
| 18:49.25 | RobotGuy | Only US Citizens should get our benefits |
| 18:49.47 | g1powermac | wonders about our current congress |
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| 18:49.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which benefits are you refering to? |
| 18:50.21 | g1powermac | we impeach our last president for stupid crap and now we got a total idiot in office and there isn't even talk about impeachment |
| 18:50.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Any government type benefits - SSI, SSD, etc. |
| 18:50.33 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: the guy in the cube near me is a permanent resident here in canada and since he pays taxes he had right to the benefits |
| 18:50.47 | prpplague | g1powermac: i tend to disagree about the "stupid crap" |
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| 18:51.10 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: That is Canada though, not the USA. |
| 18:51.10 | g1powermac | prpplague, hmm, how so? |
| 18:51.31 | g1powermac | might have a been a bit too young during that time to fully understand what happened with clinton |
| 18:51.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh yea, agreed, and if you are in the US legally, your sponsor is required to sign a legally binding agreement to provide for you for 10 years |
| 18:51.42 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: go check the definition of permanent resident ... they have the same right as you (except voting) |
| 18:51.55 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: when a president and an intern love each other very very much... |
| 18:52.02 | prpplague | g1powermac: clinton lied under oath, and intentially tried to cover it up |
| 18:52.17 | prpplague | g1powermac: no matter how you put it, he broke the law |
| 18:52.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: like he was the first president to lied under oath :) |
| 18:52.45 | g1powermac | prpplague, ok, and our current administration hasn't broke any laws? |
| 18:52.59 | prpplague | chouimat|work: doesn't mater if he was the first or last, it is what was proven and had facts to back it up |
| 18:53.17 | RobotGuy | Define permanent resident |
| 18:53.18 | prpplague | g1powermac: if you have evidence that is good enough for a court of law, then go for it |
| 18:53.37 | g1powermac | meh, yea |
| 18:53.52 | prpplague | g1powermac: clinton was stupid enough for there to be evidence |
| 18:53.53 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residency |
| 18:54.19 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Permanent_Resident_Card |
| 18:54.32 | RobotGuy | Wikipedia is not always the best definitions to go by. I mean a legal definition. |
| 18:54.37 | g1powermac | prpplague, thats true, or at least didn't have a scape goat setup |
| 18:54.46 | prpplague | g1powermac: yep |
| 18:55.01 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: green card |
| 18:55.31 | RobotGuy | I'll have to look and see what a green card allows a person. |
| 18:55.42 | RobotGuy | And whom may get one |
| 18:56.29 | prpplague | http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=4f719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=4f719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD |
| 18:56.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there are so many rules for a green card, it would take you a week to read |
| 18:57.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Bummer |
| 18:57.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: basically it boils down to related via family(i.e. a wife), specialized work, or via the "greencard lottery" where a random number of visa's are given out per year |
| 18:57.53 | SpeedEvil | put edging.jpg |
| 18:57.55 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:57.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: average wait time is 28 months |
| 18:58.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: PR's can't vote or serve on juries |
| 18:58.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nor do they get a US passport |
| 18:58.47 | RobotGuy | I had to wait 2 years to get my SSD because of the adversarial nature of the process. |
| 18:59.02 | RobotGuy | I got denied three times and had to go to a hearing. |
| 18:59.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: however, with regards to all other US benefits, they are the same as a US citizen |
| 18:59.41 | RobotGuy | Are you saying that anyone from outside the USA can become a PR? |
| 18:59.57 | RobotGuy | And not have to be a US Citizen? |
| 18:59.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yep, as long as they follow the process and pay the fees |
| 19:00.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: correct |
| 19:00.18 | RobotGuy | That somehow does not seem quite right. |
| 19:00.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why not? |
| 19:00.44 | RobotGuy | But, I can see times when that would need to be allowed too. |
| 19:01.25 | RobotGuy | Like in the case of a person getting married to a person from another country, for instance - they should be allowed to become a PR. |
| 19:01.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in what cases do you believe that a person should not be allowed to have PR status? |
| 19:02.44 | RobotGuy | Someone just wanting to work in the USA, but who has no intention of becoming a citizen. |
| 19:03.13 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.dau-sicher.de/pmwiki/uploads/Main/lart.jpg |
| 19:03.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why is that a problem? |
| 19:03.44 | prpplague | chouimat|work: cute |
| 19:03.54 | g1powermac | hah |
| 19:03.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: isn't that what we have with all the illegals? |
| 19:03.59 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: I have friend who is PR and married to an american and he doesn't want to be citizen |
| 19:04.00 | g1powermac | ok, thats awesome ;-) |
| 19:04.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just think that PRs should have a set time (based on their situation, of course) to become full US Citizens. |
| 19:04.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why? |
| 19:04.32 | SpeedEvil | If I was living in the US permenantly, I might not choose to be a citezen. |
| 19:05.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if your employer sent you to germany to work for a couple of years, would you want to give up your US citizenship? |
| 19:05.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just don't believe anyone but US Citizens should be able to get benefits from the USA after a set time limit. Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I believe at present. |
| 19:05.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: again what benefits are you refering to? |
| 19:06.10 | g1powermac | meh, yea, you get a lot of benefits by just being here |
| 19:06.13 | prpplague | you stated all the welfare stuff, which they aren't entitled to anyway |
| 19:06.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, I guess I wouldn't want to give up my USA Citizenship in that case, but that is also another situation where I can see the PR status being OK. |
| 19:06.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no different with the people who come here to work |
| 19:06.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The government type benefits. |
| 19:06.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: most are either hired directly or transfered |
| 19:07.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i said, your sponsor has to sign a legally binding statement that no benefits are available, and that the sponsor is responsible for ALL the expenses |
| 19:07.51 | RobotGuy | When I was working for ADP Dealer Services, we hired a very super smart fellow from Australia, but he did become a US Citizen and brought his whole family over. |
| 19:08.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: This fellow was sponsored by the company (I think). |
| 19:08.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the company would have to sign that statement then |
| 19:08.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am sure they did that. He was more than worth any costs involved in getting him over here. |
| 19:09.09 | sunrunner20 | interesting |
| 19:09.10 | sunrunner20 | superglue |
| 19:09.14 | sunrunner20 | is a thermoplastic |
| 19:09.44 | RobotGuy | is getting a new cell phone. :D:D |
| 19:10.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: crap dbus build failure |
| 19:10.20 | RobotGuy | thinks the Australian people are some of the coolest people outside the US. |
| 19:10.53 | g1powermac | would like to turn his zipit into a cell phone like thing |
| 19:11.00 | g1powermac | with that gsm module I have |
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| 19:12.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well i waited for 3 years 8 months and 24 days for my wife to get her PR status |
| 19:12.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it's no walk in the park |
| 19:13.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: In a case like yours, I think that was too long to have to wait. |
| 19:13.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: average wait is 28 months with most taking 36 months |
| 19:13.35 | RobotGuy | I would say the same for anyone with a similar situation |
| 19:14.39 | RobotGuy | I had to survive on $309.00/month for the two years I waited to get my SSD. |
| 19:14.55 | prpplague | so you can see why we get mad when we see people break the law and come here illegally and then get rewarded |
| 19:14.56 | RobotGuy | I did have some benefits that offset that some though. |
| 19:15.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I agree with that and I feel the same way about it. |
| 19:15.25 | chouimat|work | ssd? |
| 19:15.36 | RobotGuy | Social Security Disability. |
| 19:16.30 | RobotGuy | Crap, I wish I hadn't said that. |
| 19:16.53 | RobotGuy | Oh well. |
| 19:29.39 | CosmicPenguin | Poll time! |
| 19:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | when accessing MMIO registers in C |
| 19:29.59 | CosmicPenguin | would you prefer to use 1) A base addresss + a constant value |
| 19:30.08 | CosmicPenguin | *((u32 *) base + MYREG) = 3; |
| 19:30.10 | CosmicPenguin | or a struct? |
| 19:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | struct myregisters { |
| 19:30.18 | CosmicPenguin | u32 a; |
| 19:30.19 | CosmicPenguin | u32 b; |
| 19:30.20 | CosmicPenguin | }; |
| 19:30.22 | CosmicPenguin | vote now! |
| 19:31.25 | chouimat|work | both ? |
| 19:32.03 | CosmicPenguin | GUI developers are not eligible |
| 19:32.13 | roxfan2 | what's the prize? |
| 19:34.50 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: I don't do gui anymore |
| 19:39.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i vote #1 |
| 19:40.42 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 19:40.44 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 19:45.00 | T0mW | prpplague: pong |
| 19:45.16 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 19:51.54 | g1powermac_PB | CosmicPenguin: I vote 1 mostly |
| 19:56.29 | sunrunner20 | YAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYA |
| 19:56.39 | sunrunner20 | found his signal diodes |
| 19:56.45 | sunrunner20 | http://www.vishay.com/docs/85557/85557.pdf |
| 20:10.08 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 20:10.15 | sunrunner20 | http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8472588 |
| 20:10.16 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 20:17.02 | CosmicPenguin | yes, 1 is my choice too |
| 20:18.51 | ds2 | I would prefer the magic be hidden in a macro |
| 20:19.09 | ds2 | or even in a _asm_ function |
| 20:19.35 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 20:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | right - the point is, the magic wouldn't be in a struct |
| 20:21.10 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 20:26.33 | ds2 | *nod* structs seem prone to compiler actions :/ |
| 20:30.49 | CosmicPenguin | and developers miscounting |
| 20:31.12 | CosmicPenguin | Syncing a datasheet to a struct is difficult |
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| 20:34.23 | ds2 | it also makes it difficult to support slight variants without defining another complete structure |
| 20:35.59 | CosmicPenguin | oh, good point |
| 20:36.28 | ds2 | and if you need an example... OMAP1 vs OMAP2 vs OMAP3 |
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| 20:54.25 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:54.32 | prpplague | doesn't look like it will finish today either |
| 20:55.10 | prpplague | poky doesn't feel so embedded |
| 20:55.53 | CosmicPenguin | come on now - none of this is embedded |
| 21:01.40 | sunrunner20 | hey |
| 21:01.41 | sunrunner20 | cool |
| 21:02.01 | sunrunner20 | the shaft of the soldering iron can be used to shrink heat shrink tubing ^_^ |
| 21:02.11 | sunrunner20 | our hair dryer is MIA :) |
| 21:02.26 | sunrunner20 | i've been using a candle |
| 21:04.49 | prpplague | 675 out of 2884 |
| 21:05.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: buildroot feels embedded atleast, hehe |
| 21:05.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: atleast with buildroot i felt like i had control |
| 21:06.07 | CosmicPenguin | that is a problem |
| 21:06.16 | CosmicPenguin | but most of the target for this build system don't want or need control |
| 21:06.29 | sunrunner20 | um |
| 21:06.40 | CosmicPenguin | you are different since you aren't consuming an image, you are creating an image |
| 21:06.45 | sunrunner20 | what does foward voltage have to do with diodes? |
| 21:06.49 | CosmicPenguin | and yes, it will be rather complex to create an image |
| 21:08.21 | CosmicPenguin | We bleed so our customers don't have to |
| 21:10.35 | SpeedEvil | http://bp3.blogger.com/_FBXGhy-QmVw/SD_47SBhPZI/AAAAAAAAB1I/XNHsvSlE1b8/s1600-h/card1571.JPG |
| 21:16.26 | sunrunner20 | wow |
| 21:16.28 | sunrunner20 | vdrop |
| 21:16.30 | sunrunner20 | of a volt |
| 21:16.31 | sunrunner20 | that |
| 21:16.34 | sunrunner20 | is WAY too much |
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| 21:52.25 | _trine | forward voltage on a silicon diode is 0.6v and on germanium it's 0.3v |
| 22:14.29 | g1powermac_apl | hahah |
| 22:14.34 | g1powermac_apl | found his old sega nomad |
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| 22:15.01 | g1powermac_apl | I forgot how much I loved this thing |
| 22:17.01 | g1powermac_apl | wonders what it would take to get homebrew code working on this thing |
| 22:17.28 | g1powermac_apl | interesting, its actually running a m68k |
| 22:17.40 | g1powermac_apl | one of my more favorite procs |
| 22:18.46 | g1powermac_apl | puts it in the pile of stuff to be hacked ;-) |
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