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| 01:27.36 | sunrunner20 | LOL |
| 01:27.45 | sunrunner20 | i'm using a 100W lightbubl as a resistor |
| 01:29.01 | Redhatter | Don't rely on the resistance staying constant. |
| 01:29.13 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:29.21 | sunrunner20 | with 3.3v it will |
| 01:29.38 | sunrunner20 | but i'm going to monitor it anyway |
| 01:36.40 | MonMotha | light bulbs are terrible resistors |
| 01:36.47 | MonMotha | well, unless you want a PTC |
| 01:38.43 | sunrunner20 | ptc? |
| 01:39.28 | MonMotha | positive tempco resistor |
| 01:39.40 | MonMotha | i.e. a resistor whose resistance increases as it heats up |
| 01:39.57 | MonMotha | there are also NTCs, which are the opposite |
| 01:39.59 | ds2 | light bulbs fine when you need a load bank |
| 01:40.06 | sunrunner20 | which |
| 01:40.13 | sunrunner20 | is what I need ^_^ |
| 01:40.20 | MonMotha | I prefer a programmable load :) |
| 01:40.26 | MonMotha | slightly more expensive, though... |
| 01:41.28 | sunrunner20 | MonMotha: your talking to the person who's circuit was "broken" because their DMM needed a new battery >_> |
| 01:42.27 | ohsix | no you're!11 |
| 01:42.43 | MonMotha | never underestimate the value of good lab gear |
| 01:42.45 | ds2 | just keep the filament at a constant temp and you shouldbe fine ;) |
| 01:43.09 | MonMotha | if it saves you 5 hours of work, then that's 5*<your hourly rate> that the tool is immediately worth |
| 01:43.21 | ds2 | nor underestimaate the issues of a finite budget |
| 01:43.29 | MonMotha | oh, indeed |
| 01:43.50 | MonMotha | but there's really no excuse for using those really cheap multimeters if you're on the clock for anything |
| 01:44.03 | MonMotha | good handheld multimeters can be had for $100 |
| 01:44.31 | ds2 | those cheap meters would be a lucky to get item with my last last client/boss |
| 01:45.17 | ds2 | but then what's a "good" multimeter? the flukes don't seem that good |
| 01:46.01 | MonMotha | ds2: well, that's a decent point to make |
| 01:46.08 | MonMotha | the older Flukes are pretty nice |
| 01:46.10 | MonMotha | the new stuff is hit or miss |
| 01:46.33 | ds2 | But what else is decent? I certainly don't trust HP thesedays |
| 01:46.46 | MonMotha | HP still makes lab equipment? |
| 01:46.52 | MonMotha | I thought that was all done by Agilent, now |
| 01:47.00 | ds2 | I mean agilent |
| 01:47.04 | MonMotha | does Tek still make multimeters? |
| 01:47.26 | ds2 | when tek started using windows in their instrument... |
| 01:47.30 | MonMotha | well, like most stuff in the USA, test equipment seems to have gone to "cheap at all costs" |
| 01:47.37 | MonMotha | not all tek stuf uses windows |
| 01:47.47 | ds2 | oh? Hmmm |
| 01:47.50 | MonMotha | and the stuff that does only uses it for the GUI |
| 01:48.09 | MonMotha | the actual sampling backends supposedly run on a completely separate system running on (usually) VxWorks |
| 01:48.23 | MonMotha | then it uses some interface (often USB or similar) to talk to the Windows side for display purpoes |
| 01:48.26 | ds2 | windows as a GUI is enough of a pollutant |
| 01:48.34 | MonMotha | yes, it's annoying |
| 01:49.00 | MonMotha | when your scope is subject to the "Windows worm du jour", things are annoying |
| 01:49.13 | MonMotha | unfortunately, as nice as they are, the Agilent ESA spectrum analyzers run on WinCE |
| 01:49.17 | MonMotha | I crashed one once... |
| 01:53.22 | sunrunner20 | MonMotha: you crashed vx? |
| 01:53.45 | MonMotha | sunrunner20: no, I crashed WinCE |
| 01:54.03 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 01:54.09 | sunrunner20 | I was gonna say, BS |
| 01:54.18 | MonMotha | you can crash vxworks |
| 01:54.26 | sunrunner20 | pulling a ram chip doesn't count :p |
| 01:54.35 | MonMotha | but being a RTOS, it behaves "sanely" when you do |
| 01:55.29 | ds2 | much rather get an analog scope ;) |
| 01:56.09 | MonMotha | ds2: for a lot of things I do, non-causal triggers are VERY handy, and that requires a storage scope |
| 01:56.34 | ds2 | unfortunately, I have to agree wtih you |
| 01:56.57 | ds2 | though a compromise might be Linux as GUI and everything else in a FPGA |
| 01:56.58 | MonMotha | also, being able to record things to storage media is handy |
| 01:57.00 | ds2 | no software |
| 01:57.06 | MonMotha | as in the bitscope? |
| 01:57.08 | ds2 | yep |
| 01:57.15 | ds2 | got one for work and it is great |
| 01:58.09 | ds2 | though I think there is a bare metal proc inside it |
| 01:59.11 | MonMotha | ds2: we have one at work. Hardware seems nice. SOftware sucks |
| 01:59.25 | ds2 | MonMotha: what's wrong with the software? |
| 02:00.12 | MonMotha | ds2: it sucks :) |
| 02:00.20 | ds2 | okay |
| 02:00.33 | MonMotha | ds2: the interface is very non-flexible |
| 02:00.34 | ds2 | it works better then those really cheap scopes |
| 02:00.39 | MonMotha | there's no good way to zoom, for example |
| 02:00.50 | ds2 | ah stuff like that |
| 02:03.38 | MonMotha | yeah, it's just the interface |
| 02:03.49 | MonMotha | it seems hell bent on emulating a physical scope, while you can do so much more on a PC |
| 02:04.04 | prpplague | ahh nothing like several hours of total scifi geek out lubricated with some good beer |
| 02:04.29 | sunrunner20 | ok |
| 02:04.34 | sunrunner20 | for parralele resistors |
| 02:04.45 | sunrunner20 | how is the current distributed for inequal values? |
| 02:04.48 | ds2 | you can always write your own :) |
| 02:04.55 | sunrunner20 | eg, 50ohm and a 13ohm |
| 02:05.04 | ds2 | sunrunner20: 1/(1/R1 + 1/R2 + ... 1/Rn) |
| 02:05.13 | ds2 | Oh current distro |
| 02:05.18 | ds2 | that's different |
| 02:05.25 | sunrunner20 | da :) |
| 02:05.41 | ds2 | hard to explain in words but that kind of summarizes it |
| 02:05.52 | sunrunner20 | for current too? |
| 02:06.00 | ds2 | yeah |
| 02:06.35 | ds2 | basically V/R.1 + V/R.2 + ... V/R.n is total current |
| 02:06.50 | ds2 | this is how that forumula is deduced |
| 02:08.04 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 02:08.07 | sunrunner20 | this is going to be interesting |
| 02:08.18 | sunrunner20 | 3x 1/16W resistors |
| 02:08.31 | sunrunner20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.54 | sunrunner20 | in a well of veg oil |
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| 08:10.03 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 14:26.29 | sunrunner20 | dad thought my resistor ladder wouldn't work |
| 14:27.48 | sunrunner20 | time to... |
| 14:27.51 | sunrunner20 | clean up >_< |
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| 15:05.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just out of curiosity, has there been much discussion on XO^2 on the #olpc ? |
| 15:07.26 | CosmicPenguin | of course - the great unwashed masses all have to come in and make their opinions known |
| 15:07.43 | chouimat|work | hi CosmicPenguin prpplague |
| 15:07.46 | CosmicPenguin | but nobody in the know is talking about it |
| 15:08.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats kind of what i figured |
| 15:08.07 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:08.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i expect that XO-1 community dev didn't exactly leave a good taste in the mouth of OLPC management |
| 15:09.17 | CosmicPenguin | I think we all thought that the community would be more useful |
| 15:09.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i kind of felt the same way with the Hammer dev |
| 15:09.49 | CosmicPenguin | But then again, I knew that trying to sell laptops in the United States was a foolhardy attempt |
| 15:10.04 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, with Hammer, you guys are selling to the hobbyists |
| 15:10.06 | CosmicPenguin | guys who care |
| 15:10.19 | CosmicPenguin | But the G1G1 was marketed at people who don't care |
| 15:10.53 | CosmicPenguin | either 1) fan boys who thought they were getting a modern laptop for $200 bucks, or 2) actual concerned individuals with children who thought they were getting a modern laptop |
| 15:11.24 | CosmicPenguin | And neither demographic is interested in contributing back |
| 15:11.32 | CosmicPenguin | the fan boys think they are l33t linux hackers because they can install Ubuntu |
| 15:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | and actual consumers don't have the knowledge or inclination to give back |
| 15:11.56 | CosmicPenguin | End result - very little in the way of actual development |
| 15:12.10 | CosmicPenguin | Heck, even with hammer you have a few people that have given back a serious effort |
| 15:12.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, thats what i was about to say, that alot of the folks we ran across were just wanting to be part of something "cool" and when it came down to contributing, they turned out to be doing alot of talk, not much work |
| 15:12.16 | CosmicPenguin | more then I can think of with G1G1 |
| 15:13.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: last i looked we are about 10% of the "freebies" we sent out have actually done any contrib work |
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| 15:13.57 | chouimat|work | prpplague: 10% is good :) |
| 15:14.25 | CosmicPenguin | 10% is very good |
| 15:14.25 | CosmicPenguin | thats 10% more then you would have had if you had done the work yourself |
| 15:15.07 | prpplague | we were just surprised, we had expected more |
| 15:15.43 | chouimat|work | prpplague: how poky doing btw? |
| 15:16.07 | prpplague | chouimat|work: slowly getting the hang of things |
| 15:16.15 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i've got some nand flash issues right now |
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| 15:37.26 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 15:37.28 | sunrunner20 | scottland? |
| 15:37.34 | sunrunner20 | how hard can it be to survive? |
| 15:38.05 | sunrunner20 | oh wait, its *$U##()$ ing cold |
| 15:39.15 | chouimat|work | hmmm? |
| 15:39.34 | sunrunner20 | man vs wild |
| 15:39.37 | sunrunner20 | Scotland |
| 15:40.17 | chouimat|work | if you find scotland cold don't visit some part of Canada in winter |
| 15:40.26 | sunrunner20 | LOL |
| 15:40.28 | sunrunner20 | dude |
| 15:40.34 | sunrunner20 | it'll hit -80 |
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| 15:41.32 | sunrunner20 | people forget scotland isn't nice all the time >_< |
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| 15:42.32 | agaffney | do men still wear kilts when it's -80? :P |
| 15:42.58 | sunrunner20 | obviously not |
| 15:43.12 | sunrunner20 | else thier family jewels would fall off |
| 15:43.26 | CosmicPenguin | Thats clearly a myth |
| 15:43.34 | g1powermac_PB | heya prpplague |
| 15:43.46 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: greetings |
| 15:44.10 | g1powermac_PB | wanted to remind ya about the datasheet for the bluetooth module :-) |
| 15:45.16 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea, give me a few and i'll email it to you |
| 15:45.22 | g1powermac_PB | alrighty |
| 15:46.01 | g1powermac_PB | just got back from the endocrinologist for the follow up on my bloodwork done a month ago |
| 15:46.41 | g1powermac_PB | now the one problem as to why I went to him is gone but a few other semi nonrelated problems were found |
| 15:47.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: still haven't figured out how you got bitten by a radioactive moth? |
| 15:47.33 | g1powermac_PB | can't win, every time I go for a battery of medical tests they find something odd, and usually unrelated to the original problem |
| 15:47.45 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hehe |
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| 15:48.37 | g1powermac_PB | and when they do find something wrong, its never bad enough to cause alot of alarm |
| 15:48.45 | g1powermac_PB | just more questions |
| 15:49.25 | ali_as | What was the original diagnosis g1? |
| 15:49.48 | g1powermac_PB | ali_as: heh, its a very long story |
| 15:50.04 | ali_as | I have a lot of time. |
| 15:50.06 | g1powermac_PB | mainly because there really hasn't been a single diagnosis yet |
| 15:50.22 | g1powermac_PB | well, here's the story |
| 15:50.41 | prpplague | hmm, can't seem to get my jffs2 partition to mount as root on boot |
| 15:51.10 | g1powermac_PB | about two or three years ago I went for a head CT scan because I was having some memory issues (I think it was all stress related now, personally) |
| 15:51.27 | g1powermac_PB | on the CT they found I had an enlarged pituitary gland |
| 15:52.08 | g1powermac_PB | they then sent me for an MRI (which btw are NOT fun, especially if you got a standard MRI) but they didn't really find anything wrong with the pituitary except that it is enlarged |
| 15:52.20 | g1powermac_PB | at that point we really thought nothing of it |
| 15:52.21 | ali_as | Thinking, pituitary is melatonin and sleep regulation? |
| 15:52.42 | g1powermac_PB | no, pituitary is the master gland, it controls all the other endocrine glands |
| 15:52.50 | ali_as | Ok. |
| 15:53.13 | g1powermac_PB | now about three or four months ago I go to the ER with heart palpitations/skipped heart beats |
| 15:53.31 | g1powermac_PB | they run a battery of tests and find some odd things |
| 15:53.51 | g1powermac_PB | mainly that my TSH level (thyroid stuff) was off |
| 15:54.30 | ali_as | Thyroid stimulating hormone, ok. |
| 15:54.31 | g1powermac_PB | I then go to the cardiologist to do further testing and he finds some other weird stuff |
| 15:54.44 | ali_as | Was thyroxine high/low? |
| 15:54.48 | g1powermac_PB | first, they retest the TSH and it came back fine |
| 15:55.31 | g1powermac_PB | not positive on that, I know one of the other thyroid ones was close to the border but don't remember which |
| 15:55.44 | g1powermac_PB | I don't have the paperwork here with me |
| 15:56.22 | g1powermac_PB | anyway, the cardiologist did an echocardiogram on me and found I had a heart murmur that is actually quite common |
| 15:56.43 | g1powermac_PB | he also did a whole month heart monitor that found some other oddities |
| 15:57.20 | g1powermac_PB | besides a few skipped heart beats, he found my heart rate would drop quite slowly and then within a beat pick up |
| 15:57.28 | g1powermac_PB | he wasn't sure what to make of it |
| 15:57.43 | agaffney | you're a medical freak :P |
| 15:57.53 | g1powermac_PB | which lead him to send me to the endocrinologist to double check all endocrine stuff |
| 15:58.10 | g1powermac_PB | now the endocrinologist found the following |
| 15:58.20 | g1powermac_PB | he retested the tsh once again, and it came back normal |
| 15:58.39 | g1powermac_PB | growth hormone was just slightly elevated |
| 15:58.51 | g1powermac_PB | testosterone was slightly low |
| 15:59.31 | g1powermac_PB | and the hormone that controls the testosterone, produced by the pituitary, was right on the low-normal mark |
| 15:59.42 | prpplague | wonders why his jffs partition isn't being mounted for root |
| 15:59.57 | g1powermac_PB | and my two liver enzymes (AST and ALT) were elevated |
| 16:00.13 | g1powermac_PB | agaffney: I'm not done yet ;-) |
| 16:00.49 | g1powermac_PB | now thats just the recent medical stuff, there's a few other things that might correlate with this stuff that started years ago |
| 16:02.12 | g1powermac_PB | mainly when I was really young my mom and eye doctor noticed I had a lazy eye, to this day I can look at something in front of me and actually release my eyes and get two separate images |
| 16:02.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really weird, i can boot to an initrd, and mount the jffs2 image ok, but i can't seem to boot to it |
| 16:02.40 | ali_as | That's common, my sister has that, now she can only focus with one eye. |
| 16:03.05 | g1powermac_PB | then there's the monocular double vision that started when I was about 13 or so where with certain lighting conditions I'll see a ghost image above the regular image, even with one eye closed |
| 16:04.04 | g1powermac_PB | both might be possibly related to the pituitary gland because of where that gland sits with the optic nerves running very close to it |
| 16:05.02 | g1powermac_PB | oh yea, one more thing |
| 16:05.03 | ali_as | I have CFS, and the endocrinologist was the least helpful of any doctor I saw. "I don't believe in CFS, I don't think you're ill at all". The one test he did do, and it came out abnormal he put down to "borderline prediabetic". That was 12 years ago. |
| 16:05.33 | g1powermac_PB | the cardiologist talked with a specialist about the heart rate thing |
| 16:06.04 | agaffney | isn't a cardiologist already a specialist? :P |
| 16:06.42 | g1powermac_PB | the specialist thought maybe it had something to do with my auto nervous system, which, from what I can tell, is controlled by the hypothalamus which is located again right near the pituitary |
| 16:07.03 | g1powermac_PB | agaffney: this was a specialist cardiologist who just deals with the nerve pulses running the heart |
| 16:07.07 | agaffney | the human body is a mess of "spaghetti code" :P |
| 16:07.15 | g1powermac_PB | just slightly ;-) |
| 16:07.22 | ali_as | It's a mess of cargo cult code. |
| 16:07.31 | agaffney | it's the biological equivelant of Windows |
| 16:07.47 | g1powermac_PB | well, maybe not that far ;-) |
| 16:08.04 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:08.11 | g1powermac_PB | if it was windows we'd all be dead after about a year ;-) |
| 16:08.18 | T0mW | lol |
| 16:09.15 | g1powermac_PB | so thats the story ;-) |
| 16:09.30 | g1powermac_PB | I told you it was long :-) |
| 16:09.56 | ali_as | It was quite long. Does the heart trouble cause you many problems day to day? |
| 16:10.23 | g1powermac_PB | it really depends |
| 16:10.37 | g1powermac_PB | I can go weeks without any (noticed) skipped heart beats |
| 16:10.50 | g1powermac_PB | then sometimes I'll get a grouping of them |
| 16:11.04 | ali_as | Is it linked to anything specific do you think? |
| 16:11.33 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:11.38 | prpplague | looks like eabi problems |
| 16:11.42 | g1powermac_PB | well, there's one thing I noticed, though I'm not positive on the link yet, waiting for this to happen again |
| 16:11.58 | ali_as | Oh? |
| 16:12.18 | g1powermac_PB | last time I had a skipped heart beat, it happened after the day where I had some really bad muscle twitches |
| 16:12.38 | g1powermac_PB | which was also one of the reasons why I went for the CT scan, now that I think about it |
| 16:13.00 | ali_as | Curious. |
| 16:13.29 | g1powermac_PB | gets some really bad muscle twitching sometimes |
| 16:13.46 | g1powermac_PB | more than just the kind you get in your eyelids |
| 16:14.16 | ali_as | I don't know what you mean. One specific mucle starts twitching and won't stop. |
| 16:14.25 | ali_as | I know. |
| 16:14.58 | ali_as | Get that very rarely. |
| 16:15.01 | g1powermac_PB | yea, and some of the muscles that twitch are pretty big, like some in my thighs |
| 16:15.20 | ali_as | Chest and legs I've had before, bit bizzare. |
| 16:15.44 | g1powermac_PB | had a twitch at the tip of his tongue for at least a month straight |
| 16:15.52 | ali_as | Yow. |
| 16:16.25 | g1powermac_PB | I don't get this stuff as much anymore, but I'll have days where many of my muscles are twitching |
| 16:16.38 | g1powermac_PB | then the next day its gone |
| 16:16.49 | ali_as | I take it your sodium/potassium levels are normal? |
| 16:17.00 | g1powermac_PB | (and then the skipped heart beats happen, which happened just recently) |
| 16:17.12 | g1powermac_PB | yup, the endocrinologist checked that stuff |
| 16:20.29 | ali_as | Do you get hiccups a lot? |
| 16:21.10 | g1powermac_PB | if I do get hiccups, I'll have it on and off for the rest of the day |
| 16:22.28 | g1powermac_PB | as for actually getting them, its not too common |
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| 16:24.09 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab, heading to work |
| 16:24.16 | ali_as | L8r g1. |
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| 16:54.49 | g1powermac | ali_as, interesting, I checked my old bloodwork panels and the bloodwork they did back at the hospital shows one of my liver enzymes just above normal |
| 16:55.12 | g1powermac | now they're both above normal, with one considerably elevated |
| 17:15.09 | ali_as | Do you eat a lot of anything that would stress the liver? |
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| 17:18.34 | ali_as | From memory my ALT is high, but the doctor didn't think anything of it. |
| 17:22.23 | g1powermac | not to my knowledge |
| 17:22.41 | g1powermac | drinks alcohol vary rarely |
| 17:23.04 | g1powermac | but both my ALT and AST are high |
| 17:23.26 | g1powermac | approaching double the normal range |
| 17:24.06 | ali_as | AST may be related to skelital or cardiac muscle. |
| 17:25.21 | ali_as | Not a happy thought but it sounds like you are in good hands. |
| 17:26.03 | flavioribeiro | hey, the 'user prototyping area' in hammer carrier board is actually pins where i use for my hole proposites? |
| 17:26.47 | roxfan | what else would it be? |
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| 17:41.56 | prpplague | proposite? |
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| 17:44.03 | g1powermac | ali_as, yea, read about the muscle thing with AST |
| 17:45.08 | prpplague | hmm |
| 17:45.24 | prpplague | looks like the jffs2 magic is not being seen |
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| 18:05.05 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:05.12 | prpplague | can't seem to figure whats the problem |
| 18:06.17 | prpplague | T0mW: real weird, its like it can't figure out what FS is on the partition |
| 18:06.27 | prpplague | T0mW: but if you specifiy the type it works |
| 18:06.31 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:06.48 | T0mW | prpplague: that does help to narrow it down. |
| 18:16.45 | prpplague | hmm, shouldn't something like: mount /dev/mtdblock1 /mnt/flash |
| 18:16.53 | prpplague | work without specifying that its jffs2? |
| 18:17.18 | T0mW | prpplague: is it possible you are missing a /dev/ name? |
| 18:17.43 | prpplague | T0mW: such as? |
| 18:18.59 | T0mW | well, I get probs when I try to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 as root (via kernel command line) and /etc/device_table is missing that entry creation. |
| 18:19.06 | T0mW | something stupid like that |
| 18:19.59 | prpplague | T0mW: no, all the nodes are there |
| 18:19.59 | T0mW | prpplague: or, is it possible you have jffs2 as a module? |
| 18:20.07 | prpplague | T0mW: no modules |
| 18:20.15 | prpplague | T0mW: i can mount it if i use the -t option |
| 18:20.24 | prpplague | T0mW: mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock1 /mnt/flash |
| 18:20.44 | sjhill | prpplague: looks my package arrived |
| 18:20.55 | sjhill | i'll look forward to opening it up when i get home tonight |
| 18:21.11 | prpplague | sjhill: good deal |
| 18:21.39 | g1powermac | prods prpplague about the datasheet :-) |
| 18:22.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea, just as soon as i can, i'm working up against a deadline |
| 18:22.12 | g1powermac | oh, alrighty |
| 18:22.39 | T0mW | prpplague: my apex command line for kernel: |
| 18:22.42 | T0mW | mem=64M root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySAC0,115200n8 panic=30 rootdelay=5 fbcon=rotate:2 |
| 18:23.18 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Try just having init=linuxrc |
| 18:23.35 | T0mW | don't think that worked |
| 18:23.43 | prpplague | T0mW: are you pointing out something with regard to jffs2 issue? |
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| 18:24.17 | T0mW | prpplague: no, I avoid using jffs2, just trying to get you to think from a different angle. |
| 18:25.28 | prpplague | T0mW: what angle is that? |
| 18:27.02 | prpplague | T0mW: this looks to be something about the ECC/OOB stuff |
| 18:27.29 | prpplague | T0mW: looks like jffs2 driver isn't smart enough to figure out that the s3c2440 is doing hardware ecc |
| 18:27.42 | solar | UPS just came. Lets open the box and see whats inside |
| 18:27.56 | prpplague | solar: dog turds |
| 18:29.34 | solar | tubular for sure |
| 18:30.07 | prpplague | solar: should be two nail boards with tubes, and an extra tube |
| 18:30.14 | solar | it is. |
| 18:30.44 | solar | what does the yellow sticker on the hammer mean? |
| 18:31.10 | solar | j/k it's green :) |
| 18:31.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:31.20 | prpplague | solar: don't scare me like that, hehe |
| 18:31.55 | adyer | T0mW: are you using busybox to run the jffs2 mount? |
| 18:33.42 | prpplague | adyer: yes, i am |
| 18:34.03 | prpplague | adyer: atleast for testing purposes |
| 18:34.54 | adyer | looks like busybox builds a list of filesystems to auto-try by looking at /proc/filesystems, and only tries those without 'nodev' in front of the name. jffs2 has 'nodev' so it doesn't try it |
| 18:35.46 | adyer | prpplague: see get_block_backed_filesystems() in mount.c |
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| 18:36.48 | prpplague | adyer: ahh interesting, what does the nodev mean? |
| 18:37.13 | adyer | prpplague: dunno, I was curious and bored so I looked it up in the code :-) |
| 18:38.03 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:41.59 | adyer | prpplague: from the web: The first column signifies whether the file system is mounted on a block device. Those beginning with nodev are not mounted on a device. |
| 18:43.12 | solar | ok first boot. What to expect. |
| 18:43.32 | adyer | smoke? |
| 18:44.50 | prpplague | adyer: hmm that doesn't sound correct, i just mounted it and the jffs2 still has nodev |
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| 18:45.52 | T0mW | prpplague: you know, I've had that happen with a corrupted romfs image. maybe you are overwriting the first part of the flash in that area? |
| 18:46.40 | T0mW | prpplague: by identifying the image via -t, that might be forcing it further into accepting the image regardless of corruption? |
| 18:47.24 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe dump the flash area back into a file via jtag, then compare against the original. |
| 18:47.41 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i did check that, the image crc looks good |
| 18:47.46 | adyer | prpplague: I have the same thing, rootfs is jffs2 and it shows up as nodev. |
| 18:48.00 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:51.32 | RobotGuy | I've had Hammer using JFFS2 as root and never had any problems with it being mounted. |
| 18:51.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the hammer uses nor flash which is a whole different world that nand flash |
| 18:52.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's that different? |
| 18:52.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh yea |
| 18:52.27 | T0mW | RobotGuy: different drivers |
| 18:52.51 | adyer | prpplague: at the mtd layer, it's very different, but my understanding is jffs2 is sitting on top of all that |
| 18:53.01 | prpplague | adyer: that is correct |
| 18:59.54 | prpplague | solar: you get booted? |
| 19:00.37 | solar | I'm sure it's booted. I'm just playing with bps etc.. |
| 19:00.52 | solar | 115200 8N1 is what I'm guessing |
| 19:00.56 | prpplague | solar: ahh ok, 115200,n,8,1 |
| 19:01.07 | prpplague | solar: yea, should show up as ttyUSB1 |
| 19:01.15 | prpplague | solar: ttyUSB0 is the jtag |
| 19:01.26 | prpplague | well on a system with only one usb serial adapter that is |
| 19:01.30 | solar | showed up using cdc-acm |
| 19:02.31 | prpplague | List of all partitions: |
| 19:02.31 | prpplague | 0100 32768 ram0 (driver?) |
| 19:02.31 | prpplague | 0101 32768 ram1 (driver?) |
| 19:02.31 | prpplague | 1f00 4096 mtdblock0 (driver?) |
| 19:02.31 | prpplague | 1f01 28672 mtdblock1 (driver?) |
| 19:02.32 | prpplague | No filesystem could mount root, tried: jffs2 |
| 19:02.34 | prpplague | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,1) |
| 19:03.05 | prpplague | solar: you should have a ttyUSB items as well |
| 19:05.08 | prpplague | solar: you may need modprobe the ftdi_sio driver |
| 19:06.06 | prpplague | its really weird, its like it doesn't even recognize that mtdblock as having jffs2 on it |
| 19:07.09 | solar | looks like I need to make that module. |
| 19:12.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: True, IF you plugged the Flyswatter in before other USB thingamabobs. |
| 19:13.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what? |
| 19:13.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Flyswatter may not be ttyUSB0 if it was plugged in after some other USB device. |
| 19:13.52 | ds2 | JFFS2 has no signature |
| 19:13.57 | ds2 | type always has to be specified |
| 19:14.30 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 19:15.10 | solar | here we go. Linux Hammer 2.6.22 #5 Thu Nov 1 17:16:36 CDT 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 19:15.15 | ds2 | you need rootfstype=jffs2 to use it as a rootfs |
| 19:15.24 | ds2 | Or you can use yaffs2 which has the right magic |
| 19:15.44 | RobotGuy | ds2: Or you can mount it from inittab |
| 19:15.53 | ds2 | waste of resources |
| 19:16.05 | RobotGuy | ds2: How so? |
| 19:16.11 | ds2 | now you need to keep an initrd around that contains essentially dead code |
| 19:16.29 | ds2 | the ram portion can be chucked like __init code but you still have the flash image |
| 19:16.40 | RobotGuy | I see what you mean IF you aren't using an initrd for anything else. |
| 19:16.58 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 19:17.06 | ds2 | sometimes there just isn't room to have an initrd in ram |
| 19:17.12 | ds2 | 8M boards :) |
| 19:17.27 | RobotGuy | ds2: That's why I started using JFFS2 on flash. |
| 19:17.34 | RobotGuy | To get more memory free. |
| 19:17.38 | ds2 | yeah |
| 19:18.15 | ds2 | you can actually free up the initrd if you are doing a proper pivot root so if you can manage the acrobatics and have enough ram to do the pivot_root.... |
| 19:18.15 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i have the rootfstype=jffs2 argument set |
| 19:18.41 | RobotGuy | I was looking at flash drives at Best Buy yesterday. It doesn't make sense that a 16 GB drive should be 3 times the cost of an 8 GB drive. |
| 19:18.49 | ds2 | prpplague: does init=/bin/sash (or whatever you have that is static) behave well enough to give you a prompt? |
| 19:19.13 | ds2 | RobotGuy: Mistake 1, you went to bestbuy for flash |
| 19:19.29 | RobotGuy | ds2: I was not planning to purcahse and didn't. |
| 19:19.40 | prpplague | ds2: the jffs2 partition never mounts when booting to the mtdblock |
| 19:19.43 | RobotGuy | ds2: I got a great deal there on my 2GB drive |
| 19:20.04 | ds2 | prpplague: does it show it detecting the mtdblock device? |
| 19:20.31 | prpplague | points ds2 to the paste prpplague did |
| 19:20.59 | ds2 | sorry, I just scrolled through all of last night's stuff on 4 channels |
| 19:21.23 | T0mW | grumbles about stupid busybox makedevs failure |
| 19:21.25 | prpplague | ds2: hehe np |
| 19:21.28 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 19:21.43 | prpplague | its almost like something isn't loaded at the time it tries to mount |
| 19:21.54 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi |
| 19:22.19 | ds2 | prpplague: does manual mounting work if you boot with a different root? |
| 19:22.29 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, went to the endocrinologist this morning to get my results of the massive load of bloodwork they did a month ago |
| 19:22.32 | prpplague | ds2: yep |
| 19:22.37 | prpplague | ds2: no problems there |
| 19:22.48 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, more strange stuff was found |
| 19:22.57 | ds2 | what's the command line you use? |
| 19:23.00 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Yikes |
| 19:23.05 | g1powermac | yet the original problem as to why I went their was gone |
| 19:23.15 | g1powermac | well, the thyroid stuff anyway |
| 19:24.34 | prpplague | ds2: console=ttySAC0 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock1 |
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| 19:24.54 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, this time they found that my growth hormone was high, testosterone and the pituitary hormone that controls testosterone release was low, and the strangest thing of all is my two liver enzymes were high |
| 19:25.45 | ds2 | hmmmm try "root=1f01" instead? |
| 19:26.39 | ds2 | and what about the obvious - is JFFS2 linked in? :) |
| 19:27.34 | prpplague | ds2: yea same kernel boots using initrd and can be mounted |
| 19:27.48 | ds2 | problem is initrd can be loading modules |
| 19:28.01 | prpplague | ds2: no module support turned on in the kernel |
| 19:28.14 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 19:28.35 | adyer | prpplague: what's the kernel command line you're using? |
| 19:28.42 | prpplague | ds2: console=ttySAC0 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock1 |
| 19:29.06 | ds2 | it should not matter but try putting the fstype after the root argument |
| 19:30.29 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i was just about to try that |
| 19:30.47 | ds2 | that seems to be the case for all my working ones |
| 19:31.12 | prpplague | ds2: and i noticed that its that way in the posted examples as well |
| 19:31.20 | adyer | does nand/mtd require a map driver like nor? |
| 19:31.29 | prpplague | adyer: yea |
| 19:32.03 | prpplague | adyer: sorry it requires a partition map, no seperate driver |
| 19:32.28 | ds2 | it does need a seperate driver |
| 19:33.55 | prpplague | ds2: a different driver being the hardware driver |
| 19:34.21 | ds2 | ah different layers |
| 19:34.39 | prpplague | order didn't make a difference |
| 19:35.17 | ds2 | Hmmm |
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| 19:41.22 | prpplague | ds2: i second that "hmm" |
| 19:42.06 | ds2 | put printk's where it tries to mount the fs and see what the fs code is returning back up? |
| 19:42.32 | ds2 | or get kgdb over serial work and use the early kgdb stuff to step over it ;) |
| 19:42.33 | ds2 | runs |
| 19:43.55 | CosmicPenguin | not a half bad idea |
| 19:44.02 | solar | prpplague: flashed new firmware already. Can just about telnet to the device |
| 19:44.26 | prpplague | ds2: already started on that |
| 19:44.31 | prpplague | solar: cool |
| 19:45.33 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: KGDB? :) |
| 19:46.36 | solar | there we go. Can now telnet in. |
| 19:46.48 | solar | prpplague: planning on spinning new firmware? |
| 19:47.02 | prpplague | solar: planning yes, time to do it no |
| 19:47.03 | CosmicPenguin | ds2: its in the kernel, high time we make it work |
| 19:47.08 | CosmicPenguin | or something |
| 19:47.41 | solar | take firmware from the user community by chance? |
| 19:47.41 | ds2 | making kgdb work well enough to be useful for me may take a millenia or two |
| 19:49.12 | prpplague | solar: i don't see any reason not to |
| 19:49.59 | ds2 | it seems like there are too many places where kgdb can't reliably step into |
| 19:50.31 | ds2 | and by the time I reboot and work around the nonstepability, I would be done rebuilding a new kernel with the right printk's or IO flipping |
| 19:53.32 | prpplague | its almost like it doesn't know what /dev/mtdblock1 is |
| 19:56.18 | solar | rm /dev/* ; mdev -s ; does it show up? |
| 19:57.30 | ds2 | prpplague: you tried it with the major/minor thing instead of the device name? |
| 19:57.38 | ds2 | the root=1f01 thing |
| 19:57.42 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 19:58.25 | ds2 | solar: no root yet, so "/dev" doesn't exists |
| 20:02.05 | solar | trying to do this from an initrd that does a jffs2 mount than a pviot_root ? |
| 20:03.05 | g1powermac | oh, prpplague I forgot to show you my camera rig I built a few days ago |
| 20:03.07 | g1powermac | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2556581997/ |
| 20:03.29 | g1powermac | and this is the kind of shot I can get with it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2556637781/ |
| 20:03.33 | g1powermac | thats a mm ruler on the bottom |
| 20:05.24 | prpplague | looks like sys_mount() is returning an error |
| 20:09.52 | prpplague | goes printk crazy on sys_mount() |
| 20:10.03 | prpplague | goes printkrazy on sys_mount() |
| 20:10.55 | RobotGuy | thinks prpplague just goes crazy sometimes.. ;) ;) |
| 20:10.58 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 20:15.36 | prpplague | hmm, i think apex is passing some sort of atag for initramfs |
| 20:19.25 | prpplague | yep, that looks to be it |
| 20:26.24 | prpplague | looks like an apex bug |
| 20:26.41 | prpplague | even when ramdisk stuff turned off it was still passing a ramdisk atag |
| 20:26.53 | prpplague | testing now |
| 20:34.17 | prpplague | yep that seem to do the trick on booting |
| 20:40.32 | prpplague | so basically it was thinking it should have a initrd on /dev/mtdblock1 formated for jffs2 |
| 20:42.57 | ds2 | doh |
| 20:43.07 | prpplague | indeed |
| 20:43.12 | ds2 | all my working boards are uboot ;) |
| 20:43.44 | prpplague | ds2: uboot is too big and bulk for my needs |
| 20:43.55 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 20:44.35 | ds2 | always compile in command line and do a naked boot :) |
| 20:46.05 | prpplague | ds2: well that was a code issue where the atag was on and it shouldn't have been |
| 20:46.19 | ds2 | apex code or linux code? |
| 20:46.26 | prpplague | apex |
| 20:46.42 | ds2 | but are you going to rebuild apex to fix this? |
| 20:46.54 | prpplague | ds2: already did |
| 20:47.08 | ds2 | hmmm that seemed less painful then rebuilding uboot |
| 20:47.22 | prpplague | hehe yep |
| 20:47.41 | ds2 | speaking of boot loader, is PMON used at all in the ARM world? |
| 20:47.58 | prpplague | ds2: not that i am aware of |
| 20:57.10 | adyer | ds2: lol, pmon, there's something I haven't thought of in years :-) |
| 21:02.59 | solar | prpplague: can you control the user leds and buzzer from userland? /proc || /sys entries perhaps? |
| 21:03.47 | prpplague | solar: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Example_Kernel_Drivers |
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| 21:07.16 | solar | the examples on the CD anywhere by chance? |
| 21:08.06 | prpplague | solar: yea the default kernel config has those turned on |
| 21:08.26 | prpplague | solar: the class drivers are standard though |
| 21:08.42 | prpplague | solar: all you have to do is add the ones you want into the mach init file |
| 21:10.49 | solar | I want them all of course ;) |
| 21:11.18 | solar | want to make a few leds flash if the flash is full |
| 21:11.29 | solar | to many flashes |
| 21:13.11 | prpplague | solar: the leds class is very easy to use, just turn it on in the config, then add your leds config to the mach init file |
| 21:13.43 | prpplague | solar: you can then access it via sysfs as well as the framework |
| 21:17.48 | solar | ok. Thats going to take a few mins then |
| 21:19.05 | prpplague | solar: going for a soda, brb |
| 21:21.06 | solar | I reused robbat2's kernel and my userland. I need to make a few tweaks there before grabbing the kernel sources |
| 21:24.59 | prpplague | solar: who are you sending the other unit to? |
| 21:25.19 | prpplague | solar: robbat2 still traveling on business? |
| 21:25.53 | prpplague | ok i've come to the conclusion, uploading a 20mb file via 115200 sucks |
| 21:25.53 | ds2 | adyer: just going through old mails |
| 21:36.10 | prpplague | lordy lordy, when i get new glasses, it always takes like a week to get the nose and ear pieces just right |
| 21:36.42 | T0mW | prpplague: just keep wearing them, your head will change. |
| 21:38.08 | prpplague | yea yea |
| 21:38.27 | prpplague | note to self: get usbnet working |
| 21:44.03 | self | prpplague: noted |
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| 22:00.42 | solar | prpplague: (working) http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/gnail-20080609.tar.bz2 |
| 22:00.55 | prpplague | solar: coool |
| 22:01.08 | solar | mind giving it a try? just sudo sh ./flashme |
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| 22:01.47 | prpplague | solar: i'd love to, but i'm totally swamped, i'm working against a tight schedule |
| 22:04.01 | solar | fair enough. |
| 22:04.14 | solar | I'll probably remake this image a good 20 times tonite |
| 22:09.42 | prpplague | solar: sorry but the boss has me on very tight schedule for a product demo at the end of the month |
| 22:09.59 | prpplague | solar: got like 3 weeks when i should have 3 months |
| 22:10.18 | solar | ha. it takes all of 4 mins to test a new firmware |
| 22:10.32 | solar | I'm sure you can make it sometime :p |
| 22:11.24 | prpplague | solar: yea, just that i have all my TCT stuff put away |
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| 22:19.23 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ping! |
| 22:19.29 | ce_geek | prpplague: I caughtcha. |
| 22:19.31 | prpplague | ce_geek: pong |
| 22:19.47 | ce_geek | prpplague; It's tricky now, since I can't do anything external at work now. |
| 22:19.50 | ce_geek | :-/ |
| 22:19.59 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:20.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You gotta a lot of extremely attractive ladies down there. |
| 22:20.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh? |
| 22:21.10 | RobotGuy | Yep |
| 22:22.06 | ce_geek | Alright, time for groceries. Things are starting to smooth out though, so I'm excited to get back into hammer stuff in the evenings. |
| 22:22.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: How long from now do you usually disappear? |
| 22:22.46 | prpplague | in about 8 minutes |
| 22:26.34 | ce_geek | k |
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| 22:55.29 | landley | I wonder where I left my nail board... |
| 22:55.47 | ds2 | check your tool belt? ;) |
| 22:56.47 | landley | Nah, I took it out of my backpack after CELF/Penguicon because it didn't have a case anymore... |
| 22:56.53 | landley | And I put it... somewhere. |
| 22:57.10 | landley | And now that I'm no longer buried in dayjob I'm trying to pick it back up, and finally send Andrew Morton his HOWTO and so on... |
| 22:57.22 | landley | But I need to find it first. |
| 23:00.12 | ds2 | has anyone come across a USB flash drive with a Mini connector? |
| 23:04.30 | solar | landley: look harder |
| 23:06.17 | landley | solar: oh it's around here somewhere... |
| 23:06.34 | landley | For the past month or so I'd check in my bag for it and go "oh right, I left it in the kitchen because it has no case"... |
| 23:06.42 | landley | But I just checked where I _thought_ it was, and it's moved... |
| 23:09.03 | solar | I'm just getting it going so it gets a dhcp lease or goes into static mode on usb0. and it dishes out a dhcp lease on usb1 |
| 23:09.53 | solar | hrmm. But if we were using a usb wireless we would not want to give out a lease but get one |
| 23:09.56 | solar | crap |
| 23:10.43 | landley | solar: I take it you've been having fun with this thing while I've been away? :) |
| 23:16.07 | ds2 | glad you haven't turned it into an autonomous robot just yet, huh? :) |
| 23:16.54 | solar | landley: Actually just got it today. |
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| 23:19.26 | landley | solar: didn't I hand you one at CELF? |
| 23:19.37 | landley | Or is this the new thing they were threatening to ship? |
| 23:20.03 | solar | landley: yes. But That went away to another dev robbat2 who had more time to work on it then I did. |
| 23:20.14 | landley | ah. |
| 23:20.24 | landley | Well, I'm back to poke at it myself now. If I can figure out where I left it... |
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| 23:20.46 | solar | I just posted a usable firmware about an hour ago. |
| 23:21.03 | solar | the default is lacking a few things to make it easy to devel on it. |
| 23:21.42 | landley | There was some noise about getting a qemu config to more accurately fake one of these boards... |
| 23:23.36 | solar | yeah OpenMoko Neos 1973 stuff iirc |
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| 23:43.21 | landley | Did it ever happen? |
| 23:44.34 | solar | I think it worked fine |
| 23:44.53 | solar | just OM's changes are so new that it's a pita to go and hack your existing qemu's all up for the new -M |
| 23:46.20 | solar | 920T has been around for a while however. So I'd kinda be shocked if any old generic arm softfloat target does not work |