| 00:00.21 | MonMotha | hum, in that case yeah |
| 00:00.28 | MonMotha | what's the res of the display |
| 00:00.35 | adyer | 800x480 |
| 00:00.44 | MonMotha | sounds familiar... |
| 00:00.55 | MonMotha | yeah, not gunna run CMOS levels on discrete wire at 27MHz |
| 00:00.56 | MonMotha | at least not well |
| 00:01.08 | MonMotha | if you get down into the 320x240 range, you can do it |
| 00:01.38 | adyer | MonMotha: those displays are a PITA, all different |
| 00:01.44 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 00:02.04 | MonMotha | if I had been able to support a custom flex circuit, I would have considered it on this one |
| 00:02.19 | MonMotha | put all my LCD signals on the connector so I could change displays without a full PCB rev |
| 00:02.27 | MonMotha | but oh well |
| 00:02.44 | MonMotha | we just bought enough to support production of all our PCB inventory |
| 00:02.50 | adyer | MonMotha: we have one right now, but it was designed by monkeys |
| 00:03.09 | MonMotha | the flex circuit or the LCD? |
| 00:03.49 | adyer | MonMotha: the LCD is a samsung, very nice, the fpc is the bad bit. |
| 00:04.15 | MonMotha | ah |
| 00:04.37 | adyer | MonMotha: well I shouldn;t say the samsung is very nice, I should say it looks very nice |
| 00:04.46 | MonMotha | they're certainly a different challenge than normal rigid PCBs |
| 00:06.08 | RobotGuy | My new phone is a Samsung. |
| 00:06.36 | adyer | MonMotha: LCD has LED backlight, but it's 3 strings of 8 LEDs which needs a hefty boost from our batt voltage, and it has it's circuitry on a flex coming off the display. |
| 00:08.29 | MonMotha | oh that's great |
| 00:08.47 | MonMotha | any reason that couldn't get put on the rigid board? |
| 00:09.17 | adyer | MonMotha: the display circuitry? comes from Samsung that way |
| 00:11.03 | MonMotha | oh, I thought you meant the boost circuitry for the LED was on the FPC |
| 00:11.20 | MonMotha | magnetic core inductors don't usually do well on FPCs, and it's hard to build a boost without one |
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| 00:12.26 | adyer | MonMotha: nah, although the display has inductors on the FPC, looks like 'bout 3.5mm sq. |
| 00:12.48 | igor | I´m quite new in embedded development. I´m looking for a linux patch to the altera epxa1 dev-board. Can someone help? |
| 00:18.18 | igor | nobody? |
| 00:18.43 | adyer | igor is it NIOS or arm? |
| 00:19.06 | igor | arm |
| 00:19.16 | igor | arm 9 based |
| 00:20.57 | adyer | google gets some hits for 'expa1 linux', but I didn't see much of the free variety, mostly dev kits and pay to play stuff |
| 00:21.20 | igor | yep |
| 00:22.17 | igor | I have to make a linux kernel work on one of this boards. But, by default, there´s no support for this dev-board, and I can´t find the patch |
| 00:23.35 | adyer | igor; It used to be if you drilled down in the montavista site and registered you could download their BSPs. I think they support this board. |
| 00:23.44 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 00:23.45 | sunrunner20 | here goes |
| 00:25.55 | igor | adyer; I read about montavista, but it seems to be closed |
| 00:26.37 | igor | MontaVista(TM) Linux(R) Professional Edition, Almost a windows ;/ |
| 00:34.38 | igor | can´t find it, but thanks anyway, Adyer |
| 00:39.24 | adyer | lol, he left too soon, it's in 2.4 kernel |
| 00:43.33 | prpplague | adyer i find thats a common factor with alot of embedded newbies |
| 00:43.44 | prpplague | adyer they fail to wait for some response |
| 00:44.02 | ds2 | irc newbies in general |
| 00:44.09 | ds2 | expecting QoS |
| 00:44.17 | adyer | lol, that's odd, i thought the newbie mistake was not putting any timeouts at all :-) |
| 00:48.40 | g1powermac_PB | yay, finally got my video up |
| 00:48.41 | g1powermac_PB | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4050464882364575311&hl=en |
| 00:48.58 | g1powermac_PB | showing the two different resets on the nomad |
| 00:49.45 | g1powermac_PB | the H_RESET one looks to be what it implies, a total hard reset |
| 00:50.06 | g1powermac_PB | but the standard RESET is interesting, not sure exactly what its doing when I hit that one |
| 00:52.38 | g1powermac_PB | there is also one more reset I didn't test, a S_RESET |
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| 10:01.26 | Elegbara | got a question about Nail Board |
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| 12:32.51 | g1powermac_PB | morning GPSFan |
| 12:33.02 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: good morning... |
| 12:35.11 | g1powermac_PB | finally got his dev machine to work right in regards to exporting video via ffmpeg and printing to my large format printer |
| 12:35.37 | g1powermac_PB | got a nice sample video clip up on my site now: http://www.g1powermac.com/segavideo.mp4 |
| 12:36.13 | g1powermac_PB | the clip shows what the two different resets do on my sega nomad |
| 12:36.26 | g1powermac_PB | standard reset is first, and H_RESET is second |
| 12:37.15 | g1powermac_PB | I should be able to wrap up my sega nomad project in a few weeks while I wait for my zipit from prpplague :-) |
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| 13:28.59 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague |
| 13:29.08 | prpplague | greetings |
| 13:29.23 | g1powermac_PB | finally got his dev machine to export video last night :-) |
| 13:29.56 | g1powermac_PB | I took a clip of what happens when I bring the two different resets on the nomad low |
| 13:30.13 | g1powermac_PB | interestingly each does a something different |
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| 13:31.02 | prpplague | nomad? |
| 13:31.10 | g1powermac_PB | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4050464882364575311&hl=en |
| 13:31.12 | g1powermac_PB | sega nomad |
| 13:31.44 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:31.48 | g1powermac_PB | and actually there's three different resets, but I didn't test the third one |
| 13:33.58 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 13:34.04 | prpplague | goes for coffee |
| 13:34.09 | prpplague | bb when i'm alive |
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| 13:39.51 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
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| 13:46.14 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: oh, do you think you'd have time to email me the datasheet for the bluetooth module today? |
| 13:46.40 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea, i'll try to do it shortly |
| 13:47.04 | g1powermac_PB | great, thanks |
| 13:47.09 | g1powermac_PB | well, time for work, bbiab |
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| 14:00.11 | prpplague | wow eabi really does make a difference in binary size |
| 14:00.35 | prpplague | same image with oabi is 28mb, eabi is 19mb |
| 14:00.37 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:00.48 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:01.21 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hows things in the great paradise of canada today? i heard round the way that you guys are having a heat wave |
| 14:02.22 | chouimat|work | prpplague: nice thunderstorm last night so my appartment went from 42C (over 100F) to 20 something in 30 minutes ... so now my cat is happy :) |
| 14:02.55 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe, donna's cousin there in toronto had he A/C go out, so she's melting |
| 14:03.32 | chouimat|work | I have no A/C so the 9 fans around my bed Monday night were just moving hot air :( |
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| 14:04.11 | prpplague | chouimat|work: seems like you'd invest in a window unit or something similiar |
| 14:05.04 | chouimat|work | prpplague: probably ... when I have money and time |
| 14:05.28 | T0mW | Canada does not have "weather". I can prove that, just look at the weather channel, they show that weather stops at the 49th parallel. |
| 14:06.40 | prpplague | T0mW: pretty thats where life stops as well |
| 14:06.46 | prpplague | pretty sure that is |
| 14:07.43 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat|work |
| 14:08.38 | chouimat|work | prpplague: "The world sees Canada as America's dorky half brother, (although Canada sees the USA as a retarded cousin.) " <--- I like this quote :) |
| 14:08.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:09.18 | chouimat|work | prpplague: the second part ;) |
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| 14:49.39 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 14:55.04 | T0mW | prpplague: lots of stuff going on now with the house. I think I can finally get the inspections done. |
| 14:55.26 | prpplague | T0mW: good deal, just one question |
| 14:55.36 | solar | prpplague: testing eabi w/ arm*linux-uclibc or trying arm*linux-gnueabi? |
| 14:55.54 | prpplague | T0mW: when you were using the spi-sd/mmc stuff, what device node did it showup as ? |
| 14:56.00 | T0mW | chouimat|work: " Canada sees the USA as a retarded cousin" LOL |
| 14:56.05 | prpplague | solar: arm*linux-gnueabi |
| 14:56.13 | T0mW | mmcblk0 |
| 14:56.20 | T0mW | mmcblk0p1 |
| 14:56.26 | prpplague | okie dokie thats what i thought |
| 14:56.30 | chouimat|work | T0mW: I knew you would like it ;) |
| 14:56.58 | prpplague | T0mW: mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 14:56.58 | T0mW | /dev/mmcblk0 b 660 0 6 179 0 - - - |
| 14:56.59 | T0mW | /dev/mmcblk0p b 660 0 6 179 1 1 1 8 |
| 14:57.01 | prpplague | T0mW: :( |
| 14:57.28 | prpplague | must have something incorrect |
| 14:58.21 | T0mW | I have "Copy ramdisk to RAM at startup" turned off in apex |
| 14:59.01 | T0mW | Default kernel command line: mem=64M root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySAC0,115200n8 panic=30 rootdelay=5 fbcon=rotate:2 |
| 14:59.39 | T0mW | AH, I don't need "init=/linuxrc", that explains that wierd busybox error about linuxrc |
| 15:00.31 | T0mW | chouimat|work: we're not just retarded, we also have no respect |
| 15:00.55 | solar | prpplague: Is it booting for you correctly? |
| 15:01.00 | chouimat|work | T0mW: it's from here: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Canada |
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| 15:01.37 | prpplague | solar: yea the kernel and image boot, but they are very inconsistant operations, as well as X crashes with illegal instruction |
| 15:01.41 | T0mW | heh, the "uncyclopedia" eh? sounds to me more like a political-hack podium. |
| 15:02.10 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i suspect something isn't configured properly |
| 15:02.20 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm getting SPI block errors from ext3, it might be the SD card... |
| 15:02.41 | solar | prpplague: X? This is for the hammer/nail or another board? |
| 15:03.07 | prpplague | solar: primarily for another system |
| 15:03.15 | prpplague | solar: but it will apply to the hammer/nail |
| 15:03.58 | prpplague | T0mW: your chipselect for the sd card, was it active low? |
| 15:04.02 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm using OE, got it to build a gpe-image once I dropped back to v2.5 of glibc. |
| 15:04.04 | T0mW | prpplague: yes |
| 15:04.13 | solar | did you have to change anything in the kernel to make it accept EABI ? My tests kept getting kernel unable to spawn init. |
| 15:04.44 | prpplague | solar: yea, there is a flag in the kernel to turn on EABI, other than that, nothing else |
| 15:05.49 | T0mW | prpplague: before I go on with the SPI MMC, I'm going to build for the Zipit2 and test there, that is the mmci(? other thingy). |
| 15:06.12 | solar | prpplague: any additional flags you are passing? -march=armv4t -mtune=arm9tdmi ; -mthumb(?) |
| 15:06.20 | prpplague | T0mW: too many things going on, didn't follow your statement |
| 15:06.24 | prpplague | solar: nope |
| 15:06.40 | T0mW | prpplague: nothing important, talk with you later. |
| 15:06.46 | prpplague | T0mW: later |
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| 15:08.33 | solar | T0mW: shouldnt that be mem=32M vs mem=64M also? |
| 15:09.03 | T0mW | AFAIK, hammer is 64Meg? |
| 15:09.24 | solar | no. http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16143&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 15:09.32 | solar | very end. Says 32M |
| 15:09.44 | T0mW | OW |
| 15:10.06 | T0mW | I re-used from another board project, that s3c2410 board was 64Meg. |
| 15:10.09 | T0mW | solar: thank you! |
| 15:10.18 | solar | sorry thats the nail. But I doubt they differ |
| 15:11.24 | T0mW | you know, I probably could get away without the MEM= |
| 15:12.03 | T0mW | no, probably not. Will have to look into that |
| 15:17.49 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, when i insert the microsd card, the vcc to the card drops from 3.3v to 2.9 |
| 15:17.59 | T0mW | LOL |
| 15:18.02 | T0mW | oh no! |
| 15:18.13 | prpplague | T0mW: something doesn't sound right |
| 15:18.16 | T0mW | wimpy supply? |
| 15:18.40 | T0mW | that is just below the 10% tolerance |
| 15:18.53 | T0mW | no, it is not. |
| 15:18.53 | prpplague | T0mW: no, the supply is rate pretty darn high |
| 15:19.24 | prpplague | T0mW: have you got a microSD pinout diagram? |
| 15:19.28 | T0mW | 3.3 - .33 == 2.97 |
| 15:19.43 | T0mW | for the device, or the socket? |
| 15:20.47 | prpplague | the device |
| 15:21.33 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, I have a pinout of the microsd socket |
| 15:21.55 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, mind sending it to me? |
| 15:22.49 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:22.56 | prpplague | wonder if this is hardware or software related |
| 15:23.30 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Prototyping/microSD_Spec.pdf |
| 15:23.51 | prpplague | ahh thanks |
| 15:24.08 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:24.15 | prpplague | need font i don't have |
| 15:28.38 | sunrunner20 | sometimes I _HATE_ bittorrent |
| 15:29.28 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: you can also get some basic SD info from the sd group website |
| 15:30.11 | sunrunner20 | microSD is just a physically shrunken SD (IIRC) |
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| 15:35.51 | prpplague | T0mW: the voltage drop appears to be localized that area of the pcb |
| 15:36.00 | prpplague | T0mW: the main 3.3v never changes |
| 15:38.03 | T0mW | prpplague: time to get out the gerber data and take a look at the board traces. Possible that you have a bad feedthru (via) with bad plating. |
| 15:38.45 | T0mW | or, a trace that is too thin to handle the current and is behaving like a resistor. |
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| 15:39.29 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:39.30 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 15:39.41 | prpplague | that section is feed by a via |
| 15:40.01 | RobotGuy | Hi |
| 15:40.01 | T0mW | not often, but I did find a circuit board lot where they actually goofed and had bad plating on the a swath of holes. |
| 15:40.33 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, finally got the video stuff working :-) |
| 15:40.38 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, http://www.g1powermac.com/segavideo.mp4 |
| 15:40.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Which video stuff? |
| 15:41.00 | g1powermac | of the sega nomad |
| 15:41.14 | RobotGuy | I don't have a sega nomad. |
| 15:41.18 | g1powermac | the two different resets |
| 15:41.43 | RobotGuy | I just have my hammer kit. |
| 15:42.08 | RobotGuy | Might be getting some other stuff too though - new stuff coming out. |
| 15:42.13 | RobotGuy | From other companies. |
| 15:43.36 | prpplague | T0mW: yep looks that way ran a short whitewire |
| 15:43.40 | prpplague | T0mW: testing now |
| 15:44.00 | g1powermac | has had his nomad since I was like 8 years old :-) |
| 15:44.37 | RobotGuy | wants a PS3 and XBox 360 and maybe even a PSP. :) |
| 15:44.53 | g1powermac | meh, I like classic games :-) |
| 15:45.37 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I do too, but the newer consoles have way better graphics. :) |
| 15:46.05 | RobotGuy | The PS3 can even dual boot with Linux, if I remember correctly. |
| 15:46.06 | g1powermac | but thats what gives classic games their classic look ;-) |
| 15:46.42 | g1powermac | yea, it can boot linux but can't access the video card |
| 15:47.46 | RobotGuy | Can't access the video but can boot Linux? |
| 15:47.51 | RobotGuy | How does that work? |
| 15:48.02 | CosmicPenguin | dude, seriously? |
| 15:48.35 | prpplague | T0mW: mmcblk0: error -5 transferring data |
| 15:48.35 | prpplague | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 2 |
| 15:48.35 | prpplague | EXT2-fs: unable to read superblock |
| 15:48.40 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: the PS3 will boot any OS that will handl the CELL proccessor :) |
| 15:48.42 | g1powermac | well, it has something to do with the hypervisor |
| 15:48.56 | sunrunner20 | its an open platform |
| 15:49.03 | T0mW | prpplague: :( |
| 15:49.12 | prpplague | atleast its talking |
| 15:49.38 | prpplague | i'll turn on some debug and look |
| 15:49.48 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe borked the partition table via the low voltage? reformat & reload |
| 15:50.04 | sunrunner20 | but, the PS3 is a pathetic desktop machine |
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| 15:50.12 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, http://ps3mods.blogspot.com/2007/02/what-is-ps3-hypervisor.html |
| 15:50.54 | g1powermac | " |
| 15:50.54 | g1powermac | PS3 has a powerful graphic processing unit with high speed host connection. The GPU is connected to both HDMI and AV multi interface. Although the GPU is connected directly to CBE, no direct access by guest OSes to the GPU is allowed currently. Video mode/format setting is also the role of AV setting driver. PS3 Linux fb driver calls AV setting driver to setup video modes" |
| 15:51.37 | g1powermac | Currently X server uses virtual frame buffer to render its image. No hardware acceleration is supported under Linux. See the description above section. |
| 15:51.57 | RobotGuy | If they allow another OS to be installed and booted, HOW can they NOT allow access to the video hardware??? |
| 15:52.08 | g1powermac | the hypervisor |
| 15:52.24 | g1powermac | the hypervisor is the thing that is between the OS and the hardware |
| 15:52.51 | RobotGuy | So WHY can't Linux access video then? |
| 15:53.04 | sunrunner20 | a hypervisor is a virtualization layer |
| 15:53.06 | g1powermac | because the hypervisor doesn't allow it |
| 15:53.11 | g1powermac | yea |
| 15:53.12 | sunrunner20 | an abstration layer of sorts |
| 15:53.19 | RobotGuy | Somebody better KICK that hyperviser then. |
| 15:53.26 | sunrunner20 | you can't |
| 15:53.33 | g1powermac | yea, not atm |
| 15:53.40 | RobotGuy | Sony sucks then |
| 15:53.40 | sunrunner20 | well, you could. but its not worth it really |
| 15:53.42 | g1powermac | somebody someday will prolly hack it |
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| 15:54.14 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Why is it not worth it? |
| 15:54.27 | CosmicPenguin | hypervisor access to hardware is tricky across the board |
| 15:54.30 | CosmicPenguin | thats what the IOMMU is for |
| 15:54.31 | prpplague | T0mW: data on the sd looks good, dropping the max speed |
| 15:54.33 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: it would be detected |
| 15:54.43 | CosmicPenguin | But graphics is double plus tricky |
| 15:54.54 | g1powermac | oh yea |
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| 15:55.08 | sunrunner20 | w/o some serious modifications |
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| 15:55.13 | sunrunner20 | and i mean SERIOUS |
| 15:55.14 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I set maxspeed to 20000000, IIRC it selected 12MHz |
| 15:55.20 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 15:55.48 | RobotGuy | Sony: When good hardware goes bad |
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| 15:55.54 | sunrunner20 | exactly :P |
| 15:56.00 | sunrunner20 | generally |
| 15:56.10 | sunrunner20 | sonys first gen stuff is really good though |
| 15:56.20 | sunrunner20 | like my mp3 cd player |
| 15:56.26 | g1powermac | despises sony, personally |
| 15:56.31 | sunrunner20 | it kicks serious butt! |
| 15:56.32 | g1powermac | after the rootkit fiasco |
| 15:56.46 | RobotGuy | MakeMagazine: If you can't open it, it isn't yours. |
| 15:57.05 | g1powermac | ok, this makes me sick: http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/06/11/0213244.shtml |
| 15:57.14 | RobotGuy | I have some PS2 games I like though, but nothing to run them on. |
| 15:58.11 | RobotGuy | It's another DMCA |
| 15:58.21 | g1powermac | really is not liking how the US is going lately |
| 15:58.29 | g1powermac | its worse than the DMCA |
| 15:58.39 | g1powermac | its the DMCA^3 |
| 15:59.06 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I can see that. Our law making govenment has NO CLUE about technology. |
| 15:59.07 | sunrunner20 | we do need some way to keep people rights managed in the digital age but... somehow |
| 15:59.09 | sunrunner20 | thats not it |
| 15:59.39 | prpplague | T0mW: yea that seems to have done the tricks |
| 16:00.43 | RobotGuy | Our government is not for the people and by the people. It seems to be more for the huge companies and interests and by them. |
| 16:00.48 | T0mW | prpplague: what did you do? |
| 16:00.53 | RobotGuy | shuts up now |
| 16:01.00 | prpplague | T0mW: changes the max rate to 10mhz |
| 16:01.10 | T0mW | prpplague: in the board_info ? |
| 16:01.16 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 16:01.19 | T0mW | noted |
| 16:01.53 | T0mW | is struggling with building a Makefile |
| 16:03.00 | prpplague | T0mW: so you load your kernel from flash and then boot to the rootfs on the sd card? |
| 16:04.13 | T0mW | correct |
| 16:04.31 | prpplague | T0mW: well confirmed,the pcb layout confirmed that the via is the issue |
| 16:04.38 | T0mW | I don't store a filesystem in the flash, that area is empty |
| 16:04.41 | prpplague | T0mW: hows the perfomance on that? |
| 16:05.01 | T0mW | 300KB/s |
| 16:06.02 | prpplague | the next rev of this pda board will be here today, 128MiB flash |
| 16:06.05 | T0mW | prpplague: I have yet to get a desktop running on it. Too much fundemental work to do before that. |
| 16:06.12 | prpplague | 256MiB sdram |
| 16:06.29 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i've been working like mad to get a desktop on this one |
| 16:06.31 | T0mW | prpplague: If at all possible, I would not recommend the SPI interface to run an SD card. |
| 16:07.33 | g1powermac | slight glimmer of hope: http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/06/10/2322237.shtml |
| 16:07.37 | g1powermac | although its a bit late |
| 16:08.33 | T0mW | prpplague: while the performance may be acceptable, it is not something that you would want to do. I would suggest putting some of the initial binaries into a flash file system, such as the X-server and base utils. |
| 16:09.11 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i was just curious, i'm going to have some on the nand flash |
| 16:09.20 | T0mW | prpplague: have the SD card system mount the Flash drive subdirs onto their respective locations. e.g. /usr/X11R6 |
| 16:09.55 | T0mW | user perception would kill / make the product on powerup |
| 16:10.52 | prpplague | T0mW: the system will boot as soon as the battery is inserted and never really have a complete power off |
| 16:11.02 | T0mW | some of the lesser utils, like /bin /sbin could be on the SD card, heavyweights such as X could be in Flash |
| 16:11.55 | T0mW | the gpe-image that I built is 34meg |
| 16:12.09 | prpplague | shoot, forgot to turn of mmc debugging |
| 16:12.17 | T0mW | :D heh |
| 16:12.32 | T0mW | lots and lots of debug messages! |
| 16:13.41 | prpplague | its starting to come together |
| 16:14.04 | prpplague | T0mW: btw, did you notice a difference in the size of the images between oabi and eabi builds? |
| 16:16.20 | T0mW | prpplague: did not look |
| 16:16.41 | prpplague | T0mW: mine was pretty big difference, about 9mb |
| 16:16.48 | T0mW | prpplague: are you using eabi on an s3c2410 target? |
| 16:17.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i tested eabi and oabi on a s3c2440 target |
| 16:17.26 | T0mW | prpplague: how did that work out? no probs ? |
| 16:17.34 | prpplague | T0mW: eabi wouldn't run |
| 16:17.39 | T0mW | nod |
| 16:17.54 | prpplague | T0mW: i kept getting lots of apps with illegal instructions which caused segfaults |
| 16:18.42 | T0mW | I found that same problem. Poky would not build a later oabi image, it kept insisting on loaded old old kernel headers and an old version of binutils that did not contain libbfd |
| 16:19.11 | T0mW | I tried to restructure poky to use the later binutils, but the image it produced would not run. |
| 16:19.31 | RobotGuy | Is Poky a different version of OE? |
| 16:20.09 | T0mW | prpplague: so, I am going back to what worked for me. IOW, some patching of the conf/machine files to allow oabi for my ${MACHINE} |
| 16:20.26 | T0mW | that image boots, but ran into SD block errors. |
| 16:20.39 | T0mW | RobotGuy: poky is OE for the masses |
| 16:20.59 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Where can I get it? |
| 16:21.14 | T0mW | RobotGuy: it is highly digested and restrictive as to what it can do. |
| 16:21.30 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm |
| 16:21.36 | T0mW | http://www.pokylinux.org/ |
| 16:22.03 | T0mW | sometimes, having too little choices can also be a bad thing |
| 16:22.35 | RobotGuy | True |
| 16:22.54 | T0mW | I'm building a Makefile which will install a copy of OE to build against the HammerLCD target. |
| 16:23.16 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I found a new game. :) |
| 16:23.34 | T0mW | I'm still convinced that despite the issues with OE that it is the best way to go. |
| 16:24.07 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I would like to learn OE, but just can't get my brain to deal with new things right now. :( |
| 16:24.07 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, oh? |
| 16:24.30 | T0mW | RobotGuy: new thoughts on an old platform? |
| 16:24.32 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:24.43 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: http://bots.acclaim.com/download.htm |
| 16:25.33 | g1powermac | heh |
| 16:26.34 | solar | sticks with doing what he does.. Had new firmware ready for the nail about an hour after getting it. |
| 16:26.51 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 16:26.53 | prpplague | solar: eabi? |
| 16:27.15 | prpplague | solar: i suspect that vast majority of eabi stuff works |
| 16:27.17 | RobotGuy | solar: Bravo! |
| 16:27.18 | solar | that was an hour and half later. But I don't think I enabled the kernel thing I needed |
| 16:27.26 | prpplague | solar: i just don't have time to debug the ones that don't |
| 16:27.53 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Other things are more important right now. :) |
| 16:29.32 | prpplague | solar: what i'd like to see for the nail is have it be able to plug into a windows pc, it show up as a mass storage drive, have a x client app to install on the windows box, and then log into the hammer with an x session |
| 16:29.33 | solar | prpplague: Just CONFIG_AEABI=y ? Did you keepOABI compat enabled as well? |
| 16:29.52 | prpplague | solar: no i trued the oabi compat off, it needs extra libs |
| 16:30.18 | solar | prpplague: Only problem I see it the sheer size of it being a problem. |
| 16:30.29 | solar | I had a heck of a time making an image under 4M |
| 16:30.40 | solar | w/ just libc+busybox |
| 16:30.47 | prpplague | solar: why does it have to be under 4M? |
| 16:31.13 | solar | 4M is what I have the ram disk size set to now. |
| 16:31.33 | prpplague | solar: ahh, well you do know you can change that, and/or use a jffs2 rootfs |
| 16:31.42 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Check this out - http://phun.cs.umu.se/wiki/ |
| 16:31.46 | solar | flash seems to be 14417920 bytes. |
| 16:31.51 | prpplague | solar: in addition, no reason you can't plug a thumb drive into the other end of the nail |
| 16:31.59 | prpplague | solar: yea around 14mb |
| 16:32.01 | solar | prpplague: yeah I've been thinking that is probably the best way to go. |
| 16:32.04 | RobotGuy | likes that idea. :D |
| 16:32.15 | RobotGuy | Nail + Thumb = Ouch? :P |
| 16:32.18 | prpplague | solar: the 2x10 header can support a sd card interface |
| 16:32.36 | solar | oh yeah. Thats something else I wanted to poke your ear about. |
| 16:32.38 | RobotGuy | I had screwdriver + finger = ouch the other day |
| 16:33.15 | RobotGuy | OK, switching back to Linux now. |
| 16:33.46 | solar | prpplague: do we know of any mini/micro SD that work and fit well in the nail case? |
| 16:34.31 | prpplague | solar: microSD work fine, the sparkfun microSD break out board fits |
| 16:34.48 | prpplague | solar: i'm working out what kind of expansion boards to make for that header |
| 16:35.02 | solar | I also wonder about that tft display I see in the wiki page. |
| 16:35.21 | prpplague | solar: yea, haven't had much time to tinker with it |
| 16:35.30 | prpplague | solar: there are alot of options |
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| 16:54.26 | RobotGuy | Everything got quiet. |
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| 16:58.53 | solar | yeah had to jump in the shower. |
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| 16:59.59 | solar | prpplague: this is the one you were thinking of? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=544 |
| 17:02.25 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Check this out = http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6562885.html |
| 17:15.58 | prpplague | solar: yea thats the one |
| 17:18.39 | RobotGuy | That's neat! I can see use for that on small robots. |
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| 17:19.38 | solar | this one looks a little nicer to fit up flush in the nail-tube http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=204 |
| 17:19.54 | solar | limit = 1 SD? |
| 17:20.25 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:21.18 | prpplague | solar: yea thats just about the same width as the nail |
| 17:21.35 | prpplague | solar: just figured i'd use a microsd so i'd have room to put other items on there |
| 17:21.48 | solar | waits for one of you other geeks to write the HOWTO for that. I've done my best to not touch a soldering iron in the last 15 years. |
| 17:22.26 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 17:22.34 | prpplague | solar: pretty straight forward |
| 17:22.46 | prpplague | solar: i'll see if i have time to do a howto this weekend |
| 17:22.47 | solar | about as hard as making a cross over cable? |
| 17:23.08 | prpplague | solar: maybe a little harder but not much |
| 17:24.14 | RobotGuy | I really need to learn how to use SPI. |
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| 17:26.16 | MothaWork | anybody here atm have much experience dealing with EMI/RFI compliance? |
| 17:40.14 | landley | prpplague: I never did get another nail tube. :( |
| 17:40.30 | landley | Not that I've been able to find my nail board to put in the tube. (Not at home today to look more...) |
| 17:40.34 | prpplague | landley: i know its sitting on my desk, i've been totally swampped |
| 17:40.45 | prpplague | landley: try to get it out tomorrow |
| 17:40.46 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, heh, cool |
| 17:40.53 | landley | Last I saw it, I left it on the pile of papers around the corner from the kitchen. |
| 17:41.01 | landley | I just need to figure out where that pile moved while I was in Houston... |
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| 17:41.29 | landley | (I don't _think_ it's still in my Penguicon baggie...) |
| 17:41.33 | sunrunner20|prom | wha whwh hahah |
| 17:42.02 | sunrunner20 | wha |
| 17:42.06 | sunrunner20 | 5k for FOOD |
| 17:42.19 | sunrunner20 | what the hell did my sister tell them? |
| 17:42.29 | sunrunner20 | shes a queen? |
| 17:46.05 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: for a year? |
| 17:46.26 | sunrunner20 | a weeding |
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| 18:00.00 | MothaWork | I don't know many people who require food to weed the garden or whatever. Now, food is however usually expected at weddings... |
| 18:01.51 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: carnivorous plants :) |
| 18:02.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there a way to just re-do the packages? |
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| 18:02.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: remake the ipkgs i mean |
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| 18:03.40 | prpplague | argh, poky is driving me nuts |
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| 18:03.50 | prpplague | i can't seem to turn anything OFF |
| 18:04.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I know a way, but I don't think its optimal |
| 18:04.43 | CosmicPenguin | ask RP what the preferred method is |
| 18:04.48 | T0mW | is it possible to have a user unmount a usb drive without having to do a sync or umount? Just yank it out? Some mount option in fstab which says "do not buffer this drive data"? |
| 18:04.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think RP is tired of me already |
| 18:05.40 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: mount it with the -o sync option |
| 18:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | still freaks out the kernel, but doesn't lose the data |
| 18:06.23 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: ah, thanks |
| 18:06.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i still can't figure out how to remove packages |
| 18:06.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its driving me nuts |
| 18:07.59 | CosmicPenguin | remove ipkgs? |
| 18:08.05 | CosmicPenguin | how about rm? |
| 18:13.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no i mean remove them from the build/install list |
| 18:13.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i simply don't want them built |
| 18:14.21 | prpplague | @#$%@%^&#$^*&^&^7 |
| 18:14.30 | prpplague | this is starting to really piss me off |
| 18:14.41 | CosmicPenguin | okay - so everything is based on dependencies |
| 18:14.45 | CosmicPenguin | pick a package |
| 18:14.50 | CosmicPenguin | that you don't want built |
| 18:15.49 | prpplague | okpg |
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| 18:17.49 | CosmicPenguin | thats a bad one, since its the package manager |
| 18:18.02 | CosmicPenguin | pick another one - when I get back from lunch, I'll show you how to remove it |
| 18:18.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, my whole build is screwed now |
| 18:19.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gotta figure out whats broken |
| 18:19.16 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: windows (l)user trying to get his usb drive working with linux (dual-boot). he formatted drive as NTFS so he is screwed. |
| 18:20.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gstreamer |
| 18:20.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats one that needs to be removed |
| 18:23.22 | ds2 | btw, IIRC, to begin to attempt EABI on ARMv4t, you need to modify libc in some way |
| 18:23.40 | ds2 | at least that's what a libc/toolchain guy told me |
| 18:25.02 | prpplague | ds2: supposedly poky has all the patches for armv4t |
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| 18:26.19 | ds2 | prplague: from your results, apparently not ;) |
| 18:26.44 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:26.54 | ds2 | did you have user_debug enabled? |
| 18:27.06 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:27.09 | ds2 | I am curious if it is indeed faulting on a thumb related instruction |
| 18:27.17 | ds2 | what instructionw as it dying on? |
| 18:28.02 | ds2 | if ARMv4t + eabi can be made to work on ARMv4t, it adds life to the strong arms |
| 18:28.46 | prpplague | ARGH |
| 18:28.55 | prpplague | throws stuff |
| 18:29.13 | chouimat|work | watches stuff get back at prpplague |
| 18:29.34 | prpplague | chouimat|work: not stuff @#$%@#$%%#$ OE/Poky |
| 18:29.55 | prpplague | entire build gone |
| 18:29.58 | chouimat|work | prpplague: :D |
| 18:31.21 | prpplague | i don't understand why you can't simply turn stuff off |
| 18:32.16 | ds2 | waits for landley to expond on the virtues of using simple scripts for building ;) |
| 18:34.16 | MothaWork | prpplague: enjoying your OE? |
| 18:34.38 | prpplague | refrains from using various four letter words |
| 18:34.57 | MothaWork | what, "open" isn't bad :) |
| 18:35.05 | MothaWork | and yeah, there's a reason I avoid OE personally |
| 18:35.12 | MothaWork | somebody here managed to make it work, amazingly |
| 18:35.15 | prpplague | poky is a thousand times better than OE, but it still has a ton of issues |
| 18:35.15 | MothaWork | we don't touch that build system |
| 18:35.47 | prpplague | it seems to work fine, as long as you don't want to jack with it |
| 18:36.02 | MothaWork | which would kinda defeat the point of using Linux |
| 18:36.08 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:36.15 | MothaWork | if I just don't want to jack with it, I'll use VxWorks or something |
| 18:36.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I had worse buildsystem the OE :) |
| 18:36.26 | landley | ds2: hmm? What did I miss... |
| 18:36.27 | prpplague | is extremely frustrated with poky right now |
| 18:36.43 | prpplague | i simply want to turn off stuff |
| 18:36.51 | prpplague | its totally insane |
| 18:37.01 | landley | I did actually _look_ at other build systems before building my own. |
| 18:37.15 | landley | Ok, I've been doing it so long that most of them didn't _exist_ when I started, but I've looked at them along the way. :) |
| 18:38.08 | MothaWork | I really kinda just wish buildroot could be used for non-uclibc/busybox based systems |
| 18:38.29 | MothaWork | it's a really nice build system, and while uclibc and busybox are nice, sometimes one wants the features of the larger libraries/tools |
| 18:38.56 | MothaWork | well, not necessarily really nice, but simple and mostly working, which equals at least nice |
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| 18:44.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i know |
| 18:47.20 | prpplague | i just wish there was a command to tell you where a dependency was coming from |
| 18:48.09 | MothaWork | I'm almost surprised nobody has forked buildroot to add glibc/GNU tools support |
| 18:48.34 | agaffney | most people use buildroot for embedded stuff |
| 18:48.42 | agaffney | and glibc/GNU tools are anything but "embedded" :P |
| 18:48.47 | ds2 | could be some people don't believe in that sort of overly complex build system ;) |
| 18:50.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: it does have support for using glibc externally |
| 18:50.27 | prpplague | sjhill actually added that |
| 18:52.51 | prpplague | i just don't understand why it is sooooo difficult to tell poky "i dont want gstreamer" |
| 18:53.31 | MothaWork | prpplague: yeah, but it would be nice if you could have it build it as part of the whole process since it can even build toolchains itself |
| 18:53.50 | MothaWork | agaffney: the GNU tools I don't care as much about as glibc |
| 18:54.03 | MothaWork | there are times when I don't care about the 2MB, but I want full blown library functions |
| 18:54.04 | landley | MothaWork: so you like the fact that buildroot is simple, so you want to add the ability to swap out the C library and the standard command line tools? |
| 18:54.18 | landley | Doesn't that increase the required debugging coverage by about a factor of 4? |
| 18:54.31 | landley | I'm confused! |
| 18:54.34 | MothaWork | landley: perhaps, but it would be REALLY useful for us |
| 18:54.48 | landley | Motha: Linux From Scratch exists for you. |
| 18:54.49 | MothaWork | while keeping the rest of the build system pretty simple as compared to, say , OE |
| 18:54.53 | landley | Gentoo does what you want. |
| 18:55.17 | MothaWork | no, Gentoo is way too big |
| 18:55.28 | MothaWork | it's hard to get a Gentoo system below 64MB |
| 18:55.28 | landley | solar: your ball. |
| 18:56.17 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: look at gnap then |
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| 18:57.24 | MothaWork | well, I'm not the person who does the OS builds here |
| 18:57.34 | MothaWork | I just know there's plenty of bitching about OE, and buildroot is often not suitable |
| 18:57.50 | MothaWork | heck, last I tried buildroot, it couldn't even build a system with working X |
| 18:58.24 | MothaWork | which was the big thing that forced us onto OE moreso than the glibc/uclibc issue |
| 18:58.34 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, Gentoo too big. |
| 19:01.37 | landley | MothaWork: I did my own build system based loosely on Linux From Scratch. |
| 19:02.17 | landley | I don't really try to defend other build systems, but I do try to remain aware of what they can and can't do, and how they work. |
| 19:02.25 | landley | I steal ideas from 'em where possible. :) |
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| 19:06.40 | RobotGuy | Got to go for now. Back later. |
| 19:07.39 | prpplague | i simply can NOT turn of gstreamer |
| 19:08.44 | MothaWork | gah, this is hard to do without blind vias |
| 19:08.58 | MothaWork | no room in the via grid on the bottom for passives |
| 19:12.56 | prpplague | tries yet again |
| 19:19.53 | prpplague | well i finally got rid of it, but my build is so screwed time to pull cleanup and try yet again |
| 19:22.17 | sjhill | MothaWork: you're essentially proposing a combination of crosstool and buildroot |
| 19:22.22 | sjhill | only in one big build package |
| 19:31.33 | prpplague | starts the poky build |
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| 19:54.20 | solar | MonMotha: it's actually quite easy. I think most ppl just misunderstand that point of not putting dev tools in a firmware image. |
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| 20:03.19 | MothaWork | solar: eh, like I said, not something I really deal with too much |
| 20:03.34 | MothaWork | I tried to make buildroot work for our current project way back when but couldn't get it to build X |
| 20:03.42 | MothaWork | so we ended up futzing around with OE until it worked |
| 20:03.55 | solar | thats cool glad ya got it to work. |
| 20:04.11 | solar | just wanted to point out than 2M gentooish is fully doable |
| 20:05.25 | MothaWork | about the only dev tools we have natively built for our target right now are oprofile and binutils |
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| 20:16.03 | ds2 | holy traffic on linux-tiny |
| 20:17.42 | roxfan | holy traffic? jesus visiting? o.o |
| 20:18.44 | ds2 | yes, hay-zeus is visiting ;) |
| 20:24.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doh - unfortunate name space violation here: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9224115143.html |
| 20:25.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea we were already aware of that |
| 20:25.31 | CosmicPenguin | For a second there, I'm like - Dave messed up? |
| 20:25.44 | CosmicPenguin | We could contest the trial here in irc - its the penguin's court |
| 20:28.27 | sjhill | "From the moment that you're distributing software in binary form to the public, you have the obligation to comply with the license at that moment." |
| 20:28.32 | sjhill | that's utter crap |
| 20:29.01 | sjhill | obviously they have no idea about how much churning it takes to move software releases through a large corporation |
| 20:29.15 | sjhill | if they have any sort of software control library |
| 20:29.20 | ds2 | don't matter |
| 20:29.32 | ds2 | if it takes too long, post a backup of the build system. |
| 20:30.15 | sjhill | define "long" |
| 20:30.39 | ds2 | longer then 30mins. |
| 20:30.51 | sjhill | heh, whatever |
| 20:31.08 | ds2 | if there is time to "release" a product, there is more then ample time to release the sources at th exact same time. |
| 20:31.30 | sjhill | you should produce software in a military aerospace environment sometime |
| 20:31.36 | sjhill | it would open your eyes a bit to reality |
| 20:31.58 | ds2 | they did not have to use GPL software; but they choose so. |
| 20:32.13 | ds2 | to choose that, one must accept all the issues along with the benefits |
| 20:32.55 | sjhill | i'm not arguing that |
| 20:32.59 | sjhill | i'm arguing time frames |
| 20:33.09 | ds2 | time frame is one of the issues |
| 20:33.53 | ds2 | to ignore that is like purposing choosing to ignore an interrupt and letting a plane plummet to the earth because it is inconvient or delays a release cycle |
| 20:34.06 | ds2 | purposely not purposing |
| 20:34.24 | sjhill | if you were to ask for the GPL in one of our products, we would tell you two weeks |
| 20:34.31 | sjhill | for everything |
| 20:34.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still having Xfbdev issues |
| 20:35.02 | sjhill | and probably a few $K |
| 20:35.15 | sjhill | since we have the right to charge a nominal fee for distribution |
| 20:35.29 | ds2 | you can |
| 20:35.45 | ds2 | but then I am also a firm believer in writing a clean nonGPL version of things |
| 20:36.17 | ds2 | and if you can convince a judge that is reasonable... :) |
| 20:36.53 | sjhill | yeah, that wouldn't be a problem |
| 20:40.44 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 20:40.49 | prpplague | i wish i could debug this |
| 20:41.02 | ds2 | ? |
| 20:41.28 | prpplague | Xfbdev segfaulting |
| 20:41.42 | ds2 | is it a SIGSEGV or a SIGILL? |
| 20:42.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: SIGSEGV |
| 20:42.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, question, if you cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 , would you expect it to continue on and on until your press control-c |
| 20:42.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or would you expect it to report no more space |
| 20:43.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: after a full page |
| 20:43.16 | CosmicPenguin | I would expect it to eventually segfault |
| 20:43.35 | ds2 | I'd expect it to stop with out of space as the error |
| 20:43.48 | ds2 | cuz that's what happens if dd in random binaries |
| 20:44.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 20:44.23 | prpplague | if i do that on some of our other devices, it just continues on and on |
| 20:44.45 | ds2 | is /dev/urandom the blocking one or the non blocking one? |
| 20:45.06 | prpplague | can't believe i'm having so much trouble with this, it was the last place i expected to have trouble with |
| 20:45.27 | ds2 | what is causing your SEGV? NULL pointer or wild pointer? |
| 20:45.38 | CosmicPenguin | It would segfault on x86 once it ran past the mapped region |
| 20:45.40 | CosmicPenguin | your architecture may vary |
| 20:45.43 | prpplague | ds2: i wish i knew |
| 20:45.54 | ds2 | prpplague: look at the result from user_debug |
| 20:46.15 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: really? that seems like a bug |
| 20:46.19 | prpplague | ds2: not getting any |
| 20:46.30 | ds2 | oh? did you boot with user_debug=-1? |
| 20:46.40 | ds2 | or user_debug=127 |
| 20:47.16 | CosmicPenguin | ds2: so what would you do when you ran off the edge of your space? |
| 20:47.56 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: well, since it goes to my write() routine, I'd return an error to the write instead of doing something silly like SEGV it |
| 20:48.37 | prpplague | ds2: user_debug=127 |
| 20:49.05 | ds2 | ah so they linked it with that debugging library #@!@#@$@#$ |
| 20:49.39 | ds2 | try running it through GDB so it can catch it before the library does? |
| 20:50.02 | prpplague | yea gonna have to |
| 20:50.14 | prpplague | i was really hope'n to have a demo tomorrow morning |
| 20:50.22 | prpplague | doen't look to happen :( |
| 20:51.14 | ds2 | is there anything obvious in the X.org logs? |
| 20:51.32 | prpplague | nope |
| 20:51.41 | prpplague | thats just it, i don't seem to be getting any logs |
| 20:51.55 | ds2 | do a quick strace? |
| 20:52.20 | ds2 | maybe it is using fopen() to open a log file and blindly writing the value returned but fopen failed due to perms or some silly like that? |
| 20:52.26 | prpplague | hmm, think i found something |
| 20:52.42 | prpplague | looks like the backlight driver might be hosing some of the register values |
| 20:52.44 | prpplague | diggs |
| 20:54.35 | prpplague | ok this is too weird |
| 20:54.40 | prpplague | its running now |
| 20:55.01 | solar | prpplague: this a armv4t based device? |
| 20:55.09 | prpplague | yes s3c2440 |
| 20:55.34 | solar | using all gnueabi ? |
| 20:56.39 | prpplague | solar: same results with oabi and eabi |
| 20:57.32 | solar | I'm asking cuz I'm wondering if I can dupe your env fast enough to be able to help you meet your deadline |
| 20:57.58 | prpplague | solar: naw, you don't have the lcd |
| 20:58.04 | prpplague | solar: thanks anyway |
| 21:00.58 | prpplague | interesting |
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| 21:09.13 | MothaWork | prpplague: the answer in my opinion of "proper behavior" is that it should either stop with out of space or wrap around and continue indefinitely |
| 21:09.22 | MothaWork | it should never segfault |
| 21:12.41 | g1powermac_PB | pokes prpplague a little for the bluetooth module datasheet ;-) |
| 21:13.18 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea really trying, up against the wall here |
| 21:13.26 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i'll try to send before EOD |
| 21:13.53 | g1powermac_PB | oh, ok |
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| 21:29.27 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 21:29.44 | prpplague | the EE is trying to argue that there is nothing wrong with that 3.3v via |
| 21:44.21 | MonMotha | what 3.3V via? |
| 21:45.56 | T0mW | prpplague: I would run out of space if I cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0 |
| 21:48.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: freakin EE has a via placed for the micro sd card power and another small device, when the sd card is inserted the current draw drops the voltage from 3.3v to 2.9 |
| 21:48.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: the via is too small |
| 21:49.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: xfbdev problem solved thanks to a good eye of RP |
| 21:49.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my backlight driver was corrupting my lcd config to 5:5:5:0 instead of 5:6:5:0 |
| 21:52.00 | CosmicPenguin | hah |
| 21:52.05 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I was watching the debug |
| 21:53.19 | prpplague | hangs his head in shame |
| 21:53.30 | prpplague | i would't have thought about that issue |
| 21:53.36 | prpplague | makes notes for future |
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| 22:05.34 | prpplague | ds2: so it looks like what i thought was an eabi issue was acutally an lcd issue |
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| 22:18.30 | ds2 | prplague: so you got EABI to work? |
| 22:25.09 | prpplague | ds2: rebuilding my poky image now for testing |
| 22:25.18 | prpplague | ds2: i suspect that it will work |
| 22:29.37 | ds2 | hmmmm |
| 22:30.08 | ds2 | that would be a good sign but i suspect the ARMv4t EABI is going to be nonbinary compatible with the ARMv5/ARMv6/ARMv7 EABI :/ |
| 22:30.33 | prpplague | ds2: yea that would be a good assumption |
| 22:30.49 | ds2 | prpplague: what is your reason for going EABI? |
| 22:30.59 | prpplague | ds2: size of code and speed |
| 22:31.47 | ds2 | size? didn't know there was a difference |
| 22:32.04 | ds2 | and by speed I assume you mean the NPTL vs Linux threads stuff? |
| 22:32.19 | prpplague | ds2: also related to the FP calcs |
| 22:34.07 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2234167030.html |
| 22:37.04 | ds2 | hmmm |
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| 23:32.31 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:34.36 | g1powermac_apl | heya prpplague |
| 23:36.35 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl greetings |
| 23:36.45 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl did get time to send those specks |
| 23:36.52 | prpplague | let me see if i have them handy |
| 23:37.04 | g1powermac_apl | k, thanks |
| 23:37.15 | g1powermac_apl | is routing his board up atm :-) |
| 23:37.54 | g1powermac_apl | I really prolly should double check my schematic first, but meh, I'll still be able to modify some stuff after routing |
| 23:38.25 | prpplague | lets see, your email is g1puffdaddy@cheapskanks.com right? |
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| 23:38.38 | g1powermac_apl | hahah |
| 23:40.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl you've got spam |
| 23:40.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl didn't mean to blow you off on the datasheet, just been up against a really tight schedule |
| 23:40.57 | g1powermac_apl | awesome |
| 23:41.06 | prpplague | feel totally ashamed that i didn't catch the 555/565 problem |
| 23:41.23 | g1powermac_apl | no problem, just been wanting to complete this here board before the zipit is back here :-) |
| 23:41.34 | prpplague | indeed |
| 23:42.22 | g1powermac_apl | thanks again for the datasheet :-) |
| 23:42.37 | prpplague | note to self: the red milk bones box looks alot like the red town house crackers box after a few beers |
| 23:42.47 | g1powermac_apl | hahaha |
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| 23:43.08 | g1powermac_apl | you know, I've almost done something similar to that |
| 23:43.16 | g1powermac_apl | and this is without alcohol |
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| 23:43.50 | g1powermac_apl | parents have two spray bottles on the counter, one is a soap for washing fruit, the other is carpet cleaner |
| 23:44.22 | g1powermac_apl | both look quite similar, and I tell you, I came utterly close to washing some fruit with carpet cleaner ;-) |
| 23:44.26 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl doh |
| 23:45.28 | prpplague | hehe, my mother-in-law fixed a plate of steppers for my son, when i saw him eating them, it thought he was eating something for the dogs |
| 23:45.36 | prpplague | doesn't like that kind of food |
| 23:45.50 | g1powermac_apl | hehe |
| 23:45.55 | ds2 | was it a fuzzy fruit at least? :) |
| 23:46.15 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl traditional food in barbados is very influenced by the slave culture |
| 23:47.29 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, I can imagine |
| 23:47.41 | g1powermac_apl | ds2, heh, actually it was, it was a peach :-) |
| 23:48.09 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl there are lots of parts of the culture that are still left overs from the slave culture |
| 23:48.45 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl very interesting looking at it as an outsider |
| 23:49.03 | g1powermac_apl | I can imagine |
| 23:49.38 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl alot of barbadians have an aversion to standing in a line |
| 23:50.50 | g1powermac_apl | finds that stuff interesting |
| 23:51.02 | g1powermac_apl | got quite a bit of traditional stuff in my family lineage |
| 23:51.20 | prpplague | dijenerate you ever wonder about where "onena" came about? |
| 23:51.28 | g1powermac_apl | tracing back to eastern europe and jewish decent on my fathers side |
| 23:51.37 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl dijenerate is from barbados |
| 23:51.43 | g1powermac_apl | ahh |
| 23:52.18 | g1powermac_apl | always found the jewish traditions to be quite interesting, even though we never really practiced them |
| 23:52.20 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl a common slang word is "onena" said more like "wonna" |
| 23:52.28 | g1powermac_apl | it kinda all stopped at my grandparents |
| 23:52.48 | g1powermac_apl | heh, don't make me get out the yiddish ;-) |
| 23:53.04 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl it was originally a phrase much like saying "everyone" , "one and all" |
| 23:53.59 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl hehe |
| 23:54.38 | prpplague | goes to drink beer and forgot about his shameful misdiagnoses of the 555 error |
| 23:57.08 | RobotGuy | Is it bad slang? |
| 23:57.35 | RobotGuy | My favorite number is 5. |