| 00:20.33 | ds2 | Mmmm high voltage |
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| 02:01.36 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 02:01.47 | prpplague | PotA is on AMC |
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| 02:08.38 | RobotGuy | OM Garsh, this is sooooooooooooooooooo coooooooooooooool! |
| 02:09.06 | RobotGuy | I just hooked up my Nail Board. :D |
| 02:09.48 | RobotGuy | What's even more cool is I don't even have to take it out of the case if I don't need to. |
| 02:14.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Would it be better to have a separate build environment for Nail? |
| 02:15.24 | RobotGuy | Shouldn't really matter since they both use Hammer. |
| 02:18.28 | RobotGuy | Interesting.. My Samsung Blackjack II phone does't even use a Samsung processor. ARM926EJ / OMAP 1710 |
| 02:19.12 | RobotGuy | sits in a corner and talks to himself. :P |
| 02:26.11 | RobotGuy | The camera on the Blackjack II is slower than the camera on my 4 year old Nokia 6600. |
| 02:27.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy no, build environment is exactly the same for the hammer as the nail |
| 02:27.59 | RobotGuy | That's what I thought. My build scripts already let me put in a name like hammer or nail, so I can keep stuff separated for each one. :) |
| 02:28.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Does Barbados count as Pacific/Islands? I need to bone up on my geography. |
| 02:29.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy uh no |
| 02:29.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy west indies |
| 02:29.23 | RobotGuy | Just curious. |
| 02:31.47 | prpplague | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=barbados&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11 |
| 02:35.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=13.064779,-59.502854&spn=0.002613,0.004699&t=h&z=18 |
| 02:35.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy centered on my house |
| 02:36.11 | RobotGuy | Nice |
| 02:38.52 | prpplague | nothing fancy by american standards |
| 02:40.57 | RobotGuy | I don't pay much attention to american standards |
| 02:42.30 | RobotGuy | I've come to the conclusion that I am eventually going to have to save up to get a Linux based cell phone. |
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| 02:47.30 | RobotGuy | I've been watching the OpenMoko development. |
| 02:54.26 | RobotGuy | I know what I am taking to the next PARTS meeting with me. :D |
| 02:55.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is the kernel and such for the Nail the same as for the regular Hammer? |
| 02:55.19 | prpplague | exactly the same |
| 02:58.41 | RobotGuy | Very good. I thought that would be the case. |
| 02:59.20 | RobotGuy | I can do "hmkjffs2 nail python-jffs2 2.6.24 now and get any combination of builds. :) Same for Hammer of course. |
| 02:59.48 | RobotGuy | Just three parameters to my buildroot wrapper scripts. :D |
| 03:06.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is it "MODULESDIR=$HAMMER_PROJ_ROOT/lib/modules" I can use to force "make modules_install" to put the modules right into my project without going through extra stuff? |
| 03:07.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy my father-in-laws banana tree field - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st.john's+church,+barbados&sll=13.176581,-59.478613&sspn=0.002612,0.004699&ie=UTF8&ll=13.189236,-59.493209&spn=0.002611,0.004699&t=h&z=18 |
| 03:08.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy thats sounds correct, but i'm too tired, rough day |
| 03:08.56 | RobotGuy | No problem. I'll try it. Sorry about the rough day. I've been having a series of rough weeks. |
| 03:09.53 | RobotGuy | That's quite a field. I love bananas. :) |
| 03:11.28 | prpplague | eat them while you can |
| 03:12.38 | RobotGuy | Is the price on them going up too? |
| 03:12.39 | prpplague | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/02/0033211 |
| 03:13.50 | RobotGuy | Durn, another banana disease. :( |
| 03:14.06 | prpplague | not another one, just the old one coming back |
| 03:14.24 | prpplague | keeps an eye on the weather |
| 03:15.43 | RobotGuy | You having bad weather down there? |
| 03:16.34 | prpplague | http://image.weather.com//web/radar/us_sc_9regradar_plus_usen.jpg |
| 03:17.53 | RobotGuy | That doesn't look too good. Are you on the outskirts of that or more towards the center? |
| 03:27.03 | RobotGuy | I remember when I was in SC, being on the edge of a tornado. We could see the swirling winds. |
| 03:27.45 | prpplague | dallas |
| 03:28.00 | prpplague | heads to bed |
| 03:28.25 | RobotGuy | G'Night and sleep well. |
| 03:46.54 | ds2 | Mmmmmmm OMAP1710 |
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| 03:56.10 | RobotGuy | Yep, that's what is in my phone. Camera is way way slow though. I'm very disappointed in that. |
| 04:09.14 | solar | RobotGuy: feeling better? |
| 04:09.35 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes, quite a bit better, thanks. :) |
| 04:09.51 | solar | got the nail out yet? |
| 04:10.06 | RobotGuy | Yes, that's the first thing I did after I woke up. :) |
| 04:10.27 | solar | hows your adventure going so far? |
| 04:11.49 | RobotGuy | It worked flawlessly. :) It really is plug in and go. I have a set of buildroot wrapper scripts that let me do stuff like "hmkjffs2 nail python-jffs2 2.6.25.4" to do a complete build. |
| 04:13.36 | solar | nice. Did you grab that kernel patch and fix the leds? |
| 04:15.04 | RobotGuy | No, not yet. |
| 04:15.20 | RobotGuy | Is it patched against 2.6.22? |
| 04:16.35 | solar | yeah. but a fwd port would be good. |
| 04:21.23 | RobotGuy | OK. I'm working with the latest 2.6.26-* kernels now, but no success so far. |
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| 04:22.26 | solar | you have a set of kernel patches you are carrying around for .25 (anywhere public?) |
| 04:24.43 | RobotGuy | Not at present, but I think I can put something online if you need it. |
| 04:26.38 | RobotGuy | I think all that's needed is the .25-rc8 patch and the .25-rc7-hammer patch. |
| 04:27.37 | RobotGuy | I'm downloading kernel 2.6.25.7 now and am going to try it out. |
| 04:43.33 | RobotGuy | My keyboard going bad. Not sure what is wrong - just replaced batteries. |
| 04:44.27 | RobotGuy | Maybe it will work OK now. |
| 04:44.53 | RobotGuy | solar: Doing a build with 2.6.25.7 now. I only applied the Hammer patch. |
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| 04:51.16 | solar | all it adds is the mach-tct-hammer.c ? I don't know what kernel repo you use to get the updated patches |
| 04:57.35 | solar | ahh nope. |
| 05:00.23 | RobotGuy | The hammer patch should add mach-tct-hammer.c I think. |
| 05:00.52 | RobotGuy | Not sure though. Keyboard troubles now. :( |
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| 05:05.30 | RobotGuy | I get the hammer patches from the hammer wiki. |
| 05:07.59 | solar | I dont think I've run across this page |
| 05:09.43 | RobotGuy | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board (or Nail_Board). I don't see the hammer patch I am using there though and can't remember where I got it. :( |
| 05:10.56 | solar | mind sending it via email? |
| 05:11.04 | solar | I'll put it in the public |
| 05:12.30 | RobotGuy | I will do that now. |
| 05:14.26 | RobotGuy | It's on the way. |
| 05:17.02 | RobotGuy | I need to tweak my kernel some - it's 1.1 MB now. |
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| 05:24.50 | solar | mine is mine is as well |
| 05:25.21 | solar | thanks for the patch. I think it's missing quite a bit of stuff for the nail |
| 05:25.31 | RobotGuy | solar: That could be. |
| 05:25.38 | solar | let me see if I can diff that mach-tct_hammer.c out |
| 05:25.52 | RobotGuy | OK, good. I am not at all sure I have the current patches. |
| 05:26.08 | RobotGuy | I have not tinkered with Hammer for a week or two. |
| 05:26.44 | solar | I was going to try to get you to test a firmware for me however |
| 05:27.07 | MonMotha | hum, anyone know if there is an attribute or similar to tell gcc to do all the checking it can at compile time (e.g. for static buffers) on alignment? |
| 05:27.12 | MonMotha | as in "this argument must be word aligned, despite being a char *; throw an error or warning if it can be determined not to be at compile time" |
| 05:27.14 | RobotGuy | I have my Nail all connected. |
| 05:28.17 | solar | MonMotha: I use the following in my Makefiles to try and ensure good code. http://rafb.net/p/3jejcv49.html |
| 05:28.44 | MonMotha | well, the issue here is that there's no reason the compiler would be aware of the alignment requirement |
| 05:29.16 | MonMotha | I'm passing around pointers to buffers of bytes, and that's how software wants to deal with it, so it's the correct interface. However, hardware requires that the buffer be word-aligned so it can do DMA with it |
| 05:29.41 | MonMotha | in theory, that can be detected at compile time for static buffers, which are the norm in this particular codebase, and a warning or error could be emitted |
| 05:29.49 | MonMotha | but it has to know about the requirement before it can check |
| 05:31.10 | MonMotha | I guess I could typecast it to (uint32_t *) and have -Wcast-align emit a warning, but it looks like it would ALWAYS warn. I only want to warn if the user calls the procedure with a known-to-be-unaligned buffer |
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| 05:40.54 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, only a 7.2 MB JFFS2 image. Got to put some more stuff in there. :D |
| 05:48.16 | RobotGuy | I forgot to add sqlite and libxml2 |
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| 07:22.04 | [AD]Turbo | yoyo |
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| 12:53.47 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague^2 |
| 12:53.55 | prpplague^2 | morning |
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| 15:44.53 | kergoth | morning |
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| 15:56.52 | CosmicPenguin | Sadness, my bluetooth audio setup went south |
| 15:58.48 | chouimat|work | hi CosmicPenguin kergoth |
| 16:20.40 | sjhill | wow, a kergoth |
| 16:20.51 | kergoth | indeed. hey sjhill, how ya been |
| 16:21.25 | sjhill | not too bad |
| 16:21.26 | solar | it is kinda amazing last I saw of him he just wrecked his car or some such.. |
| 16:21.30 | sjhill | yourself? |
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| 16:21.37 | sjhill | yikes |
| 16:21.42 | sjhill | kergoth: you wrecked your car? |
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| 16:21.55 | solar | some years ago? Some drama w/ a car. |
| 16:21.56 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: hey man - staying dry? |
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| 16:22.18 | kergoth | heh, the last accident i was in was late 04 :) |
| 16:22.45 | solar | A clear sign that you should get online more often |
| 16:22.55 | solar | it was a brand new car or so iirc |
| 16:23.06 | kergoth | yeah.. 2 months after i got it.. murphy's law and all |
| 16:23.21 | kergoth | i'm always on, just didnt know abuot this channel.. and kinda got burned out on open source and embedded work |
| 16:23.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:23.30 | solar | What have you been up to the last few yeats then? |
| 16:24.08 | kergoth | just working, and real life stuff. almost no code. working at montavista now, fixing bugs the customers report in old products.. fun fun |
| 16:24.10 | solar | you were doing just getting OE off the ground back then. It seems to picked up quite a bit of support from that time. |
| 16:24.30 | kergoth | yeah, seems to have acheived critical mass.. its off running without me just fine :) |
| 16:24.35 | kergoth | what've you been up to? |
| 16:24.57 | solar | same. still fighting with a desktop distro trying to make it an embedded dsitro |
| 16:25.03 | CosmicPenguin | only because somebody executed s/kergoth/RP/ |
| 16:25.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:25.14 | CosmicPenguin | if it wasn't for RP, OE would be sad |
| 16:25.55 | kergoth | course looking at oe now with a fresh perspective, I'm convinced its not the right approach.. i think it's probably the best solution for what it does right now, but I'm skeptical about its future unless people do some revamping instead of just minor evolutionary changes |
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| 16:26.47 | CosmicPenguin | THats assuming there is a right approach |
| 16:26.52 | kergoth | heh, true |
| 16:27.05 | solar | I still feel about the same towards it. bugs me to no end to try and use it. But the patches found in the repos are tasty |
| 16:27.54 | kergoth | i think the vcs-pkg folks have the right idea, using topic branches in a distributed scm repository to manage pristine upstream vs patchsets for the distribution(s) building it |
| 16:28.07 | CosmicPenguin | I use OE for every single bit of my Geode development, and I couldn't be more pleased |
| 16:28.24 | CosmicPenguin | But I don't use it at all for AMD64 work |
| 16:29.14 | kergoth | i still think there needs to be a way in oe to manage "variants". to be able to request a build of variant A of package foo and variant B of package foo without stepping on one another, and without having seperate .bb files for each |
| 16:29.35 | CosmicPenguin | vcs-pkg and similar efforts are interesting to me |
| 16:29.46 | kergoth | but i've wanted that since shortly after i started the project, and itd be hard to manage without a way to encode build configuration in the binary output packages in some fashion |
| 16:34.47 | kergoth | hmm, if one could find a way to manage package variants and encode build config in the binary packages, then you'd have the best of both worlds, you could easily install the same package but built different ways, from the repository, not unlike the way you can with USE & portage |
| 16:34.49 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:37.53 | solar | sync the code with portage again and start rewriting it again :p That way you can pick up USE= SLOT= hell even EAPI= (stuff could be compat with .bb) |
| 16:38.25 | solar | thats a joke. That would be a heck of a lot of work. |
| 16:38.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:38.35 | kergoth | true |
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| 16:41.42 | solar | anybody know what CHOST combos slugs(be) are compiled with by chance? Looks like it should be armv5teb-softfloat-linux-gnueabi to me. But.. |
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| 16:56.20 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 16:56.35 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hi |
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| 17:08.05 | RobotGuy | Both of my PCs have problems now. :( |
| 17:08.57 | dbtid | you haven't been watching the Mac/PC commercials, or you wouldn't be surprised :) |
| 17:09.11 | RobotGuy | OpenOCD can't find the Nail Board now. |
| 17:11.17 | RobotGuy | dbtid: I don't have TV here. |
| 17:11.33 | dbtid | oh, well, then you don't know what i'm talking about : |
| 17:16.10 | RobotGuy | I'd love to have a nice MAC, especially a laptop, but they are too expensive for me. |
| 17:18.06 | _trine | I have never really wanted a mac |
| 17:18.23 | _trine | opps wrong channel sorry |
| 17:19.02 | insearchof | RobotGuy: They are way to expensive |
| 17:20.09 | chouimat|work | gots a nice mac pro ... expensive and worth it |
| 17:23.47 | insearchof | chouimat|work: powerpc or intel? |
| 17:24.17 | chouimat|work | dual quad core xeon ... so I guess it's intel, for the powerpc I have 1 ibook g4 and a ps3 |
| 17:24.58 | RobotGuy | Yes, that is Intel. The new MACs are all Intel now, I think |
| 17:25.08 | insearchof | yea.. they are |
| 17:25.49 | insearchof | you would think since they are using x86 bases hardware they would be cheaper |
| 17:26.52 | chouimat|work | insearchof: they are not PC, so the arch is different |
| 17:26.57 | RobotGuy | The primary hard drive in my server is failing. USB on my main PC seems to have a problem. |
| 17:29.03 | insearchof | chouimat|work: really, I thought they pretty much revamped the hardware |
| 17:29.08 | RobotGuy | The basic arch should be the same. I think it's how everything is connected that really makes the difference. |
| 17:29.35 | chouimat|work | first they don't use the crappy old bios ... |
| 17:29.48 | insearchof | there are PC's now that will run MacOS natively |
| 17:29.52 | insearchof | with the correct hardware |
| 17:30.20 | chouimat|work | insearchof: and correct drivers |
| 17:30.42 | insearchof | yes, but the Arch is still x86 |
| 17:32.24 | chouimat|work | insearchof: it's a different subarch |
| 17:33.21 | RobotGuy | I wonder if Linux can run natively on the new Macs. |
| 17:33.39 | chouimat|work | it run |
| 17:40.32 | g1powermac_PB | just disassembled an old directtv receiver box, quite an interesting design |
| 17:40.52 | g1powermac_PB | lots of stuff on the board is marked |
| 17:41.09 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I have four DirecTV boxes in my closet. Is it worth taking one apart to see what it has? |
| 17:41.13 | g1powermac_PB | I never seen that much info on a pcb |
| 17:41.29 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: sure, though this one is 1998 vintage :-) |
| 17:41.40 | RobotGuy | I really feel like disassembling right now. |
| 17:41.57 | RobotGuy | Mine are all 2000+ and one is HiDef. |
| 17:42.06 | RobotGuy | High Def |
| 17:42.10 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 17:42.20 | g1powermac_PB | I got a few newer ones myself that I haven't touched yet |
| 17:42.28 | g1powermac_PB | this old one is very intriguing |
| 17:42.36 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm |
| 17:43.45 | RobotGuy | I have 3 of the standard definition boxes and one high def box. |
| 17:44.26 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: What models of boxes do you have? |
| 17:45.02 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I don't have the others currently with me atm, but this old one is actually a memorex branded one |
| 17:45.27 | g1powermac_PB | memorex msd5000 |
| 17:45.43 | g1powermac_PB | ok, its got one of these in it: http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/107807/STMICROELECTRONICS/STI3520ACV.html |
| 17:45.53 | g1powermac_PB | need to figure out what kind of proc its using |
| 17:48.33 | g1powermac_PB | some form of sti chip |
| 17:49.20 | g1powermac_PB | est20tp1x40S |
| 17:51.37 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I have two Samsung standard def boxes. My High Def box is new enough to have an HDMI output, marked as a model H10. I don't know about the third standard def box. |
| 17:51.55 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 17:52.14 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if anyone can find any info for that chip |
| 17:52.20 | RobotGuy | It would be interesting to see what processor the Samsung boxes are using. |
| 17:53.04 | g1powermac_PB | if not, I can always part the thing |
| 17:53.11 | g1powermac_PB | its got a nice smart card reader in it :-) |
| 17:54.38 | g1powermac_PB | oh, I found what it is |
| 17:54.50 | RobotGuy | It must be a custom chip - can't find info on the ST Micro site. |
| 17:54.53 | g1powermac_PB | this is one weird chip |
| 17:55.10 | g1powermac_PB | remove the 'e' when doing google searches, and it brings up a whole bunch of info |
| 17:55.57 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.datasheetarchive.com/ST20TP1X40S-datasheet.html |
| 17:56.37 | RobotGuy | That isn't the same thing as you first linked though. |
| 17:56.55 | g1powermac_PB | yea, both are in this box |
| 17:58.15 | RobotGuy | The second leads to a TI chip. |
| 17:58.39 | g1powermac_PB | oh, don't look at the TI chip when clicking on that link |
| 17:58.43 | g1powermac_PB | scroll down below it |
| 17:59.03 | RobotGuy | Oh, wait, followed the wrong link. |
| 17:59.15 | g1powermac_PB | yea, stupid 'featured product' ;-) |
| 18:00.38 | g1powermac_PB | what a strange chip |
| 18:01.23 | RobotGuy | It's a chip that can be sampled. |
| 18:01.41 | g1powermac_PB | what? they still make it? |
| 18:01.50 | g1powermac_PB | now thats shocking |
| 18:01.54 | RobotGuy | Now I am getting curious what is in the Samsung boxes I have. |
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| 18:04.01 | RobotGuy | Apparently it isn't a current chip after all. |
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| 18:04.13 | ds2 | what kind of chip is that? |
| 18:06.31 | g1powermac_PB | according to the datasheet: "PROGRAMMABLE TRANSPORT IC FOR DSS APPLICATIONS " |
| 18:06.44 | RobotGuy | For set top boxes. |
| 18:06.52 | RobotGuy | Like DirecTV and such. |
| 18:07.15 | g1powermac_PB | the interesting part is the fully programmable memory bus, IO, and other things |
| 18:07.38 | RobotGuy | Yep, that is interesting. There must be a current equivalent chip. |
| 18:07.57 | g1powermac_PB | it also has jtag on it amazingly |
| 18:08.33 | RobotGuy | Which has JTAG? |
| 18:08.40 | g1powermac_PB | this old chip |
| 18:08.49 | RobotGuy | Ahhhhh. |
| 18:09.03 | g1powermac_PB | heh, now theres a podcast name: "This Old Chip" ;-) |
| 18:09.05 | RobotGuy | I'm trying to keep my curiosity in check right now. |
| 18:09.52 | g1powermac_PB | or something like: "This Old Gadget" |
| 18:10.04 | RobotGuy | My boxes are all at least year 2003 - 2004 vintage. |
| 18:10.27 | g1powermac_PB | ok, I see a future of myself making video podcast showing old gadgets and how they can be hacked to do something useful ;-) |
| 18:10.56 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Samsung doesn't even use their own processor in my Blackjack II cell phone. It's an OMAP 1710. |
| 18:11.08 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I've heard |
| 18:11.30 | ds2 | it is more advance then Samsung's offerings! |
| 18:11.36 | SpeedEvil | Different divisions I guess. |
| 18:11.51 | ds2 | AFAIK, samsung has no ARMv5 processor |
| 18:11.55 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I have a wifi phone that uses that omap |
| 18:12.07 | g1powermac_PB | been wanting to hack that sucker eventually |
| 18:14.40 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: What model phone? |
| 18:14.55 | g1powermac_PB | oh man, this is so bad, I can really see myself as the bob vila of hacking old gadgetry ;-) |
| 18:15.04 | RobotGuy | I have a Samsung Blackjack II now. Stupid Windows Mobile 6. |
| 18:15.34 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.elinux.org/SMC_WSKP100 |
| 18:16.45 | RobotGuy | Interesting. |
| 18:16.58 | RobotGuy | Small package with WiFi.. Hmmmmmm.. |
| 18:17.24 | g1powermac_PB | ya |
| 18:17.34 | g1powermac_PB | its nice, though no jtag has been found on it yet |
| 18:18.04 | g1powermac_PB | should've sent that sucker to prpplague with the zipit. . . |
| 18:20.19 | g1powermac_PB | ok, I'm definitely going to make a podcast called "This Old Gadget". . .once I get my studio stuff all setup |
| 18:21.41 | g1powermac_PB | I got enough old gadgets downstairs in my lab to make at least 50 episodes ;-) |
| 18:29.52 | RobotGuy | I should have waited to get the AT&T Tilt refurb. |
| 18:30.26 | RobotGuy | The camera on this Blackjack II is rediculously SLOW to take pictures. |
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| 18:37.30 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 18:50.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I was struggling to get SDI working on a 2.6.25.6 kernel, then discovered that the s3cmci patches have not been pushed upstream |
| 19:01.39 | prpplague | T0mW: HA |
| 19:01.44 | prpplague | T0mW: working on the same issue |
| 19:01.58 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/934313?search_string=s3c24xx%20mmc;#934313 |
| 19:01.58 | T0mW | prpplague: what kernel |
| 19:02.56 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I just pulled down the http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/SWLINUX/files/patch-2.6.25-simtec1.bz2 |
| 19:03.37 | T0mW | I have it working on 2.6.22.5 |
| 19:04.00 | T0mW | same guy, his patch |
| 19:06.23 | RobotGuy | What does that patch do? SPI? |
| 19:06.42 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks for the link though, I've got so much invested into 2.6.26-rc6 that I think I'll push on with it. |
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| 19:07.15 | T0mW | RobotGuy: it does SD/MMC via the 4bit interface, not the SPI |
| 19:07.26 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Do you have 2.6.26-rc6 working? |
| 19:07.32 | T0mW | RobotGuy: yes |
| 19:07.33 | RobotGuy | Oh, OK |
| 19:07.37 | T0mW | and no |
| 19:07.55 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, I must download it and try it then. Do I need any patches for it? |
| 19:08.26 | RobotGuy | I get confused trying to figure out what patches I need for which kernels. |
| 19:08.49 | T0mW | I'm tracking down a problem where the enc28j60 complains of MAC errors. I hit that problem on the HammerLCD design and am now putting 2.6.26-rc6 onto another design to see if my ethernet wiring is at fault or not. |
| 19:08.49 | RobotGuy | But then, I can't flash my Nail Board anyways now. :( :( |
| 19:09.24 | T0mW | The new SPI interface shows promise, still needs a lot of polish though. |
| 19:09.31 | RobotGuy | I just need I2C, SPI, and the Ralink rt73 WiFi modules mainly. |
| 19:09.45 | T0mW | nod |
| 19:10.10 | T0mW | well, there are some "issues" with how the chipselects work (or won't) with 2.6.26-rc6 |
| 19:10.13 | RobotGuy | And Phidgets. |
| 19:10.35 | RobotGuy | We will need SPI for the Hammer-RDP. |
| 19:12.02 | ds2 | how much is getting a hammer with RT73 working worth to you? ;) |
| 19:12.48 | prpplague | T0mW: there isn't enough difference with regards to the s3c24xx stuff between 2.6.25 and 2.6.26-rcX |
| 19:12.55 | prpplague | T0mW: that those patches should be fine |
| 19:13.02 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll be testing tomorrow |
| 19:13.33 | T0mW | prpplague: agreed, but, I have so much work into it that I don't think I should backtrack. |
| 19:13.55 | prpplague | T0mW: what would you have to back track on? |
| 19:14.16 | T0mW | prpplague: my LCD patches, touch panel |
| 19:14.28 | prpplague | doesn't understand |
| 19:14.44 | prpplague | T0mW: how does applying the sd/mmc patches affect those? |
| 19:15.35 | T0mW | prpplague: it doesn't, I was just saying that rather then step back to 2.6.25 that I would keep going with 2.6.26 (as you showed me the SDI patch). |
| 19:15.56 | T0mW | I was in the process of mangling 2.6.25 source |
| 19:16.02 | prpplague | T0mW: oh oh gotcha |
| 19:16.16 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, the 2.6.26-rc5 patches should apply cleanly |
| 19:16.17 | T0mW | prpplague: the enc28j60 on the HammerLCD platform is still not stable. |
| 19:17.14 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm trying to isolate it by going with a known-good board, but I have to get a later kernel running on that board that uses the new SPI interface. I had been working with 2.6.25 as I thought that should be more stable than 2.6.26 |
| 19:17.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I tested the old direct tv receiver, the thing still seems to work :-) |
| 19:17.59 | g1powermac_PB | amazingly after 10 years |
| 19:21.58 | g1powermac_PB | wish I had direct tv service, I'd try seeing if I'd actually get video on it |
| 19:22.09 | T0mW | prpplague: did the mailing list strip out the formatting of the diff? |
| 19:23.07 | prpplague | T0mW: shouldn't have |
| 19:23.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I am sure all of mine work. You are soooooooooo tempting me to open up one of my Samsung boxes.. You are EVIL.. :P :P |
| 19:24.10 | RobotGuy | wonders what processor is in those Samsung boxes.. |
| 19:24.57 | RobotGuy | I wonder if they are new enough to potentially have a Samsung S3C24xx processor in them. |
| 19:28.22 | T0mW | prpplague: how are you getting that patch with indentation then? |
| 19:33.33 | prpplague | T0mW: i just cut-n-pasted it to text editor |
| 19:34.13 | T0mW | prpplague: and you got indentation for the if / while / for stuff? |
| 19:35.09 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh indeed, no proper indentation |
| 19:35.21 | T0mW | yeah, it looks like cr@p |
| 19:35.44 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i guess just re-run ident on it |
| 19:35.52 | T0mW | yea |
| 19:46.32 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 19:46.36 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: DO IT! :-) |
| 19:46.46 | RobotGuy | thinks.. |
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| 20:03.06 | T0mW | prpplague: you use quilt on that patch, correct? |
| 20:03.38 | RobotGuy | is confused about all the patches. |
| 20:05.36 | T0mW | RobotGuy: patching the kernel used to be simple, just run 'patch'. Now they use git + quilt |
| 20:05.52 | T0mW | is not familiar with anything other than 'patch' |
| 20:06.00 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I just am confused about what patches are required for each kernel. |
| 20:06.05 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Me too. |
| 20:06.37 | RobotGuy | I think people make things too hard sometimes. Uneccessarily complex. |
| 20:06.57 | ds2 | you don't have to use quilt/git |
| 20:07.13 | T0mW | RobotGuy: well, basically with embedded, not everything makes it into the main-stream kernel. So, you have to dig around and find someones patch that would support your new hardware device. |
| 20:07.16 | ds2 | quilt/git just makes it easier then running raw patch |
| 20:07.57 | RobotGuy | I've never had a problem running raw patch. |
| 20:09.47 | T0mW | RobotGuy: problem does come in when you have a lot of patches. Some of them may be to the same file. That is where quilt comes in, you have the "series" to dictate the patch order. |
| 20:10.16 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Ahhh, OK, I can see where that would be useful. |
| 20:10.34 | RobotGuy | So how do I get the correct patches for each kernel for Hammer? |
| 20:10.50 | T0mW | AFAICT, this bozo borked the patch somehow, quilt hates it and so does patch. |
| 20:12.06 | T0mW | well, it is only five files ... |
| 20:14.46 | T0mW | time to eat and go play |
| 20:19.41 | RobotGuy | I think I've reached the limit for number of tabs in Firefox for my system. |
| 20:19.54 | SpeedEvil | has 40ish open. |
| 20:22.10 | RobotGuy | I have you beat. I stopped counting at 47. |
| 20:24.32 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 20:24.50 | insearchof | lol |
| 20:25.00 | g1powermac_PB | I get up there certain days |
| 20:27.54 | RobotGuy | I'm almost getting to the point where I just don't like people. |
| 20:29.07 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: just watch to make sure you don't start not liking yourself. . . |
| 20:29.28 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Already got there a long time ago. |
| 20:29.56 | g1powermac_PB | sigh, then I know how you feel |
| 20:30.20 | RobotGuy | I am supposed to get three USB devices for the Nail Board, right?? |
| 20:30.49 | g1powermac_PB | has had to deal with some bad depression over the years |
| 20:31.23 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I can understand that perfectly; Even my medicine doesn't help sometimes. |
| 20:32.54 | g1powermac_PB | I've come close to taking antidepressants, and I'm not a medication guy |
| 20:33.20 | g1powermac_PB | I tend to not take meds unless I just can't take it any longer or I'm seriously endangering myself |
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| 21:31.59 | RobotGuy | I guess I won't be going to the Linux Plumber's Conference. |
| 21:46.20 | prpplague | ho ho freakin ho |
| 21:46.31 | prpplague | looks like a freakin board layout issue |
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| 21:51.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What board? |
| 21:52.37 | prpplague | a s3c2440 board |
| 22:00.38 | RobotGuy | Oh. I want that. :) |
| 22:01.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: only if you got $3000 |
| 22:01.47 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, oh fun |
| 22:01.49 | RobotGuy | It figures. |
| 22:02.06 | g1powermac_PB | wouldn't want a board with layout issues |
| 22:02.25 | RobotGuy | Me either actually, but I sure would like to have a board with more flash and ram. |
| 22:06.11 | RobotGuy | 128/128 would be very nice to have. I could fit everything I want to have on Hammer into that easily and have room to spare. |
| 22:09.31 | RobotGuy | That would make an excellent development environment and allow working with many different configurations of software. |
| 22:12.13 | ds2 | prpplague: so you have a dead revision? :) |
| 22:12.43 | ds2 | depending on what the layout issues are, a stuffed BGA part can be useful |
| 22:16.02 | prpplague | ds2: yea, no idea what the issue is, we did a board with just the cpu and xtal |
| 22:16.09 | prpplague | ds2: provided external power |
| 22:16.32 | ds2 | did that work? |
| 22:16.36 | prpplague | ds2: we can talk to it via jtag, but it won't respond to ICE commands |
| 22:16.52 | ds2 | oh |
| 22:16.54 | prpplague | ds2: which means that the board is getting some power, but not clocking |
| 22:17.15 | ds2 | wonder it would get further if you give it an OSC input instead |
| 22:17.32 | prpplague | testing that in the morning |
| 22:18.18 | ds2 | bum processor? |
| 22:18.37 | prpplague | hard to believe we had thirty with the same problem |
| 22:18.46 | ds2 | bad tray of processors? :) |
| 22:19.12 | ds2 | delivery man stopped by the discovery museum and played with the box next to the van deGraff generators before delivery? |
| 22:20.20 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 22:21.59 | prpplague | ds2: thats what the EE is saying, that its a bad tray |
| 22:22.12 | prpplague | i find that hard to believe |
| 22:22.51 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: maybe the mail man wanted to test out the box with this: http://www.mgvolt.com/tesla_coil/tesla-coil-sparks5.jpg :-) |
| 22:23.28 | MonMotha | prpplague: has this design been confirmed working with other processors? |
| 22:23.29 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: or the version they had at the maker fair! |
| 22:23.45 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 22:23.53 | MonMotha | it sounds like it's just set up for boundary scan instead of ICE (if this is an ARM) |
| 22:23.57 | g1powermac_PB | man, maker fair would've been awesome to attend |
| 22:24.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: this is rev2 of the board, the first rev came up ok, second didn't |
| 22:24.24 | MonMotha | then I doubt it's a bad tray of procs |
| 22:24.34 | prpplague | yea me too |
| 22:24.35 | MonMotha | if there was a simultaneous layout change, I'd eliminate that first |
| 22:24.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: yep |
| 22:25.01 | MonMotha | these are ARMs? |
| 22:25.04 | ds2 | are you buy from a processor vendor who's open from midnight to 4AM and keeps his parts in a van under the bridge somewhere? ;) |
| 22:25.06 | prpplague | s3c2440 |
| 22:25.21 | MonMotha | does it respond intelligently to things like EXTEST and ID? |
| 22:25.22 | prpplague | ds2: come on, we but directly from samsung |
| 22:25.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 22:25.42 | MonMotha | then it's probably just stuck in boundary scan mode rather than ICE |
| 22:25.55 | MonMotha | I never liked the way ARMs use an external pin to control that, but that's the way it is |
| 22:26.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: thats not normal though |
| 22:26.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've done 20+ s3c24xx boards |
| 22:26.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: never had this happen |
| 22:26.34 | ds2 | got to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, no matter how improbable! |
| 22:26.35 | MonMotha | on all the ARMs I've seen, there's a dedicated pin that switches the JTAG between ICE and boundary scan mode |
| 22:27.07 | MonMotha | if you tie that wrong or don't bring it out to the JTAG connector (DEBUGREQ), you may get stuck in boundary scan mode and not have usable ICE |
| 22:27.22 | prpplague | yea, that was the first item i checked |
| 22:27.30 | MonMotha | it's set correctly? |
| 22:28.27 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:29.22 | MonMotha | hum, then I have no idea |
| 22:30.03 | prpplague | hehe same here, hehe |
| 22:30.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there a hammer patch for kernel 2.6.25.7? The one I have appears to be included already but no selection for Hammer specific devices. I will check closer cuz I may have missed something. |
| 22:30.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: one sec |
| 22:31.36 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 22:33.54 | ce_geek | Hello hello |
| 22:34.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I missed something - I am double checking stuff now. Geesh, this stuff confuses me sometimes. |
| 22:35.00 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hi! |
| 22:35.40 | ce_geek | RobotGuy, |
| 22:35.45 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Howdy |
| 22:36.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: is the micro that you're having ICE issues with confirmed to be clocked? |
| 22:36.26 | MonMotha | it may respond to JTAG but not ICE if it isn't being clocked |
| 22:39.36 | g1powermac_PB | hey ce_geek |
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| 22:42.37 | g1powermac_PB | hey Lars_G!! |
| 22:42.42 | Lars_G | Another embedded maker goes Eclipse. |
| 22:42.48 | Lars_G | Eclipse will take over the embedded world |
| 22:42.58 | Lars_G | CodeWarrior guys must be seething |
| 22:43.13 | MonMotha | vim ftw |
| 22:43.32 | g1powermac_PB | meh, don't like vim |
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| 22:43.49 | g1powermac_PB | gedit works nice if I got a gui, nano if I don't :-) |
| 22:43.51 | Lars_G | I preffer NetBeans |
| 22:44.06 | Lars_G | otherwise, vim+several plugins |
| 22:44.15 | kergoth | i want a portable IDE with vim like binding support, proper color scheme support, and without eclipse's crappiness all around, personally |
| 22:44.25 | kergoth | oh, and support for a number of languages |
| 22:44.29 | kergoth | </pipe dream> |
| 22:44.45 | g1powermac_PB | never got into the whole IDE thing |
| 22:45.03 | MonMotha | I wish I could drop vim into visual studio (yes, visual studio) without breaking things like intellisense |
| 22:45.07 | g1powermac_PB | just give me a nice graphical editor and a cli to do the compiling and I'm happy |
| 22:45.12 | CosmicPenguin | doh - I forgot I had a hacked version of mutt |
| 22:45.13 | Lars_G | kergoth: you almlost pinned Eclipse there |
| 22:45.16 | CosmicPenguin | I upgraded and lost my news server |
| 22:45.18 | MonMotha | as an IDE, VS is actually pretty nice. The editor sucks, and the bundled tools suck, but it's a decent IDE |
| 22:45.53 | Lars_G | kergoth: there's another option, wait for the new kdevelop |
| 22:45.56 | Lars_G | kergoth: should be portable |
| 22:45.57 | MonMotha | if I could have the GNU tools, my choice of VCS, VIM as my editor, and have all the integration and other features work, I might actually shell out for a copy of Visual Studio just for the IDE |
| 22:46.00 | kergoth | not really. item #2 in my sentence excluded it. vim wipes the floor with eclipse when it comes to color scheme stuff |
| 22:46.01 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: yea, it isn't bad for the little bit of time I've worked with it |
| 22:46.05 | kergoth | really? hmm, that sounds promising |
| 22:47.18 | g1powermac_PB | oh, also, notepad++ is pretty nice: http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm |
| 22:47.35 | Lars_G | kergoth: the problem is they're rebuilding it so it's slow progress |
| 22:47.45 | RobotGuy | Has anyone tried KomodoEdit? It's cross-platform. |
| 22:47.47 | Lars_G | kergoth: meanwhile Kdevelop 3 on linux is wonderfull, but it's not portable. |
| 22:47.54 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: I never liked it much. |
| 22:48.03 | Lars_G | it's a fancy, slow, editor more than a ide. |
| 22:48.05 | MonMotha | we had a guy at work who really liked SlickEdit, but he didn't like it enough to justify the (rather high) price |
| 22:48.11 | Lars_G | for that you'll have more luck just using SciEd |
| 22:48.16 | kergoth | is somewhat tempted to try to do his linux project coding in visual studio with a mingw32->linux crosscompiler |
| 22:48.22 | RobotGuy | KomodoEdit is not meant to be an IDE |
| 22:48.32 | MonMotha | kergoth: good luck |
| 22:48.34 | Lars_G | kergoth: you're sick |
| 22:48.37 | kergoth | yes, yes i am |
| 22:48.53 | MonMotha | just getting VS to use native GNU tools (MinGW32) is hard enough |
| 22:48.57 | Lars_G | MonMotha: How come you didn't say hi to me btw? |
| 22:49.00 | MonMotha | I can't imagine convincing it to cross |
| 22:49.22 | g1powermac_PB | slaps Lars_G with a direct tv receiver for the fun of it ;-) |
| 22:49.30 | MonMotha | Lars_G: I missed your entrance, and I very rarely greet people unless I'm expecting them and have something immediately to discuss |
| 22:49.31 | Lars_G | kergoth: And if you're crossing win->linux it'd be better to use cyg |
| 22:49.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll be back online in about 20 minutes |
| 22:49.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 22:50.08 | MonMotha | the biggest thing I love about VS is intellisense |
| 22:50.10 | MonMotha | it actually works |
| 22:50.13 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: too slow. |
| 22:50.21 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: too friggin slow for a robot btw |
| 22:50.32 | MonMotha | it's one of the few "whiz bang" features Microsoft has put into something that actually works well |
| 22:50.41 | RobotGuy | Lars_G: Huh? No robot involved. |
| 22:50.43 | Lars_G | MonMotha: ASP.NET left me with a pathological fear of VS |
| 22:50.56 | MonMotha | context sensitive autocompletion that is almost impossible to confuse (and in fact has saved me from doing something silly a few times) |
| 22:51.02 | MonMotha | simply. amazing. |
| 22:51.09 | MonMotha | Lars_G: well, that's just because ASP.NET is a mess :) |
| 22:51.21 | MonMotha | Visual Studio itself as an IDE is actually rather good |
| 22:51.24 | Lars_G | MonMotha: I normally work with introspective languages so I'm used to flawless completion |
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| 22:51.35 | MonMotha | I usually work with C :) |
| 22:51.39 | file | levitates in the door |
| 22:52.01 | Lars_G | Yes, C is as introspective as a horny redneck |
| 22:52.11 | Lars_G | file: I don't insult you only because you're an asterisk contrib |
| 22:52.13 | Lars_G | :) |
| 22:52.25 | MonMotha | we tried to do some stuff in C++ at work on our embedded project (not Linux), and it was simply too big |
| 22:52.32 | file | thank you? ^_^ |
| 22:52.38 | MonMotha | it wasn't that our code was big, but the standard library (even trimmed down) was too big |
| 22:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | file is here? |
| 22:52.56 | file | I seem to be. |
| 22:53.03 | g1powermac_PB | meh, can't get a single insult out of Lars_G today ;-) |
| 22:53.11 | MonMotha | mmmm...asterisk |
| 22:53.27 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: Keep trying.... after my day |
| 22:53.39 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: Still, I learned something too sweet today, so I'm happy |
| 22:53.59 | g1powermac_PB | I used to have a nice asterisk box setup with phone cards in them, worked till the crappy phone lines went bad |
| 22:54.13 | file | analog is evil |
| 22:54.18 | Lars_G | MonMotha: Asterisk is one of the big 2 for me in OSS, one of these that had all the real power in them before they got the name and airtime |
| 22:54.23 | g1powermac_PB | curses at AT&T |
| 22:54.32 | Lars_G | file: but a necesity sometimes |
| 22:54.56 | RobotGuy | has AT&T for his cell phone. |
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| 22:55.23 | RobotGuy | I have a Samsung Blackjack II now. |
| 22:55.24 | g1powermac_PB | now that box needs some ram as I scavenged the ram from it for my dev machine |
| 22:56.04 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Why are you cursing AT&T. :P |
| 22:56.12 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: masochist |
| 22:56.23 | MonMotha | I remember at least hearing of asterisk before it became popular commercially |
| 22:56.29 | Lars_G | I want a smart phone, but I'll only get an ALP based phone, and only if the specs are nice. |
| 22:56.33 | MonMotha | as in before it was widely considered for commercial installs |
| 22:56.34 | RobotGuy | Verizon won't take me because they are too stuckup. |
| 22:56.48 | Lars_G | MonMotha: Exactly. The same as with apache. |
| 22:56.51 | RobotGuy | Lars_G: ALP based phone?? |
| 22:56.58 | Lars_G | MonMotha: And that, because both are really powerfull. |
| 22:57.06 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: Access Linux Platform |
| 22:57.10 | MonMotha | our office phone system is based on asterisk. Works well |
| 22:57.15 | RobotGuy | Lars_G: Link? |
| 22:57.15 | MonMotha | I'm considering doing an install in my new home |
| 22:57.22 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: one second |
| 22:57.37 | Lars_G | file: How big are you in the asterisk team? |
| 22:57.57 | file | core developer, I work for Digium |
| 22:58.06 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: http://www.accessdevnet.com/ |
| 22:58.28 | Lars_G | file: Then you might be cheerfull to know that Asterisk maintains the whole telephony system for the Ministery Of Culture in Venezuela |
| 22:58.39 | file | Lars_G: :D |
| 22:59.02 | file | Lars_G: and it works well? |
| 22:59.18 | Lars_G | I can get numbers for you but afaik we're talking around 300 extensions in two buildings, and two incomming E1s into the server |
| 22:59.22 | Lars_G | file: very well |
| 22:59.28 | file | nifty |
| 22:59.37 | Lars_G | And it'll grow |
| 22:59.56 | Lars_G | I don't work there, but I'm CIO of an institution that depends on the Ministery and I'm friends with the IT staff there. |
| 23:00.19 | file | it is sad... |
| 23:00.22 | Lars_G | And someday they and us will start a project to provision dependent institutions with Asterisk based VoIP solutions and interconnect them to the Ministery |
| 23:00.24 | file | there are very large deployments out there |
| 23:00.29 | ds2 | Mmmmm ALP |
| 23:00.40 | file | but they refuse to make it known that they use Asterisk, so can't talk about them |
| 23:01.11 | Lars_G | ds2: There are things I like of Android more than ALP but I have specific reasons to want an ALP device. |
| 23:01.18 | MonMotha | going to work on lawn |
| 23:01.31 | Lars_G | file: I'll ask the CIO there if he's ok with it being used or mentioned by the asterisk team and site |
| 23:01.46 | Lars_G | And get real numbers |
| 23:01.47 | ds2 | Lars_G: what do you like about Android? If I had to choose, it is ALP hands down. |
| 23:02.43 | Lars_G | ds2: You see, I lived (indirectly) thorough the horrid phase of having to buy WinCE programs for a specific one of the three big mobile CPU architectures of the time. |
| 23:03.15 | Lars_G | ds2: Right now we live a golden age where ARM's dominance as an arch in the market solves portability and cross development headaches. |
| 23:03.25 | ds2 | Lars_G: but ALP contains the gvm so you can use 68K apps on any device |
| 23:04.07 | Lars_G | ds2: That's true, but one thing native-palm houses have been itching to do so far is to overcome the legacy limitations of the OS, ALP will integrate all applications under a single launcher. But that doesn't means you can necesarily mix stuff. |
| 23:04.31 | Lars_G | ds2: if you can, that will solve portability problems, and I think their open sourced launcher system is a GREAT step for developers. |
| 23:04.31 | ds2 | Lars_G: how much have you messed with the ALP stuff? |
| 23:04.36 | Lars_G | But, I'm wary. jsut wary. |
| 23:04.41 | Lars_G | ds2: Not deeply. |
| 23:05.03 | Lars_G | The real reason, as an end user I'll go with ALP is that I wont lose my sizeable investment in commercial PalmOS programs. |
| 23:05.27 | ds2 | I would he happen to have a "ALP" device with just GVM on there; let the Linux stuff handle bluetooth and the other details that keep on crashing garnet devices like the treo |
| 23:05.31 | Lars_G | And, to be truthfull as a hacker I preffer to be able to hack gtk based stuff into the ALP than trying to port stuff into java or coding from scratch |
| 23:06.01 | Lars_G | Anyhow, I've been waiting to go into a smartphone for months now. |
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| 23:06.08 | Lars_G | And Android or ALP are the only ones that work for me. |
| 23:06.17 | Lars_G | So I'm waiting for touchable devices to take the plunge |
| 23:06.23 | ds2 | Android does not seem all that hackable |
| 23:06.26 | prpplague | file holy cow! |
| 23:06.31 | prpplague | file when did you sneak in? |
| 23:06.41 | file | approximately 9 minutes ago |
| 23:06.49 | ds2 | no usable libc or any other means of doing true native stuff |
| 23:07.01 | prpplague | its like a tuxscreen reunion lately |
| 23:07.20 | Lars_G | ds2: Yeah and one of the reasons I mentioned I liked about ALP is that the guys seem to be much more close to the real OSS ideology than google. Google touted it's based on linux a lot, but like the horrid Motorola, and the WatchGuard firewalls, they're all talk abotu linux and then feed you purely closed stuff. |
| 23:08.00 | Lars_G | ds2: There's lots of closed stuff with access. Like the NetFront engine and their MIDP implementation (which, could be easily solved by porting Sun's GPLed midp engine. which is half done anyhow) |
| 23:08.09 | prpplague | ds2 yea, i'm going have to really study that pcb tomorrow |
| 23:08.15 | Lars_G | ds2: But they seem to be willing to open as much as they can or feel confortable with, and be open about the whole process. |
| 23:08.21 | prpplague | ds2 i can;t for the life of me figure out whats going on |
| 23:08.26 | Lars_G | ds2: So, I expect a brighter future from them than from Android |
| 23:08.34 | ds2 | prpplague: I am somewhat impressed at you managed to accomplish with a rev 2 :) |
| 23:08.49 | prpplague | ds2 as a test, i removed the xtal off the rev1 board, it responded on jtag exactly the same |
| 23:08.49 | Lars_G | ds2: it's prpplague |
| 23:09.00 | prpplague | ds2 ?? |
| 23:09.17 | ds2 | prpplague: you had a working version then with some minor changes, you manage to make bricks |
| 23:09.22 | Lars_G | ds2: In here, prpplague will study it until he makes it work. And g1powermac_PB will bang on it, until he makes it work. |
| 23:09.26 | ds2 | not you personally |
| 23:09.31 | prpplague | ds2 s/you/the EE |
| 23:09.41 | ds2 | prpplague: yeah |
| 23:10.01 | prpplague | ds2 something is causing it not to clock |
| 23:10.05 | Lars_G | gahd I'm hyperactive. |
| 23:10.07 | Lars_G | sigh |
| 23:10.08 | ds2 | Lars_G: I will take Netfront over Firefox embedded or the horrible browser in Android anyday |
| 23:10.23 | ds2 | prpplague: tried putting a scope on the xtal lead to see if it is oscillating? |
| 23:10.27 | Lars_G | ds2: Well yes and no, btu yes basically. |
| 23:10.31 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: now thats a self respecting insult :-) |
| 23:10.34 | RobotGuy | ALP looks very nice. Are there any current phones based on it? |
| 23:10.40 | prpplague | ds2 yea, looks within spec |
| 23:11.00 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: None yet but soon. Still there's a beta VM image that runs on the N800 and N810 |
| 23:11.07 | ds2 | Lars_G: I am very disappointed in the firefox browser used in Maemo... it is 100000x slower then NetFront thing on the treo |
| 23:11.31 | Lars_G | ds2: it's not the tech I'm dissapointed with, but the previous Access atitude. |
| 23:11.38 | prpplague | its almost like there is a floating ground somewhere |
| 23:11.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: cause AT&T (and formerly BellSouth) suck |
| 23:11.49 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: It was actually a compliment. I was trying to call prpplague and you clever without sounding too brown nose |
| 23:11.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy what were you asking about 2.6.25 for the hammer? |
| 23:12.02 | RobotGuy | The one thing I really don't like about my phone is the camera is terribly slow. |
| 23:12.07 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: Nah the whole cell phone market in the US is fucked up |
| 23:12.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: 2.6.25.7 to be exact. |
| 23:12.27 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: aww, well, it works good as your usual insult too :-) |
| 23:12.40 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: It became fucked the minute companies convinced makers to create branded firmwares |
| 23:12.40 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: heh, I'm not talking about cell phones |
| 23:12.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Some Samsung stuff can be selected, but no specific stuff like the buzzer, etc that I can see. I'm probably just missing something. :( |
| 23:12.56 | g1powermac_PB | this is land line issues we've been having |
| 23:13.03 | RobotGuy | Lars_G: Please watch your language. |
| 23:13.14 | Lars_G | Sigh I keep forgeting |
| 23:13.15 | Lars_G | sorry |
| 23:14.04 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: for cell stuff, I'm about ready to hack together my own cell phone |
| 23:14.35 | g1powermac_PB | got a nice gsm module sitting in the lab waiting to be used |
| 23:15.00 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: The providers will still hold you down |
| 23:15.20 | Lars_G | you see, you guys let a close knit opressive monopoly drop on your heads in the cell phone arena. and I'm talking providers |
| 23:15.28 | g1powermac_PB | not really, I can go and buy sim cards for the module |
| 23:15.33 | prpplague | Lars_G please refrain from use that type of language here, we dont want the channel to get banned on corporate networks |
| 23:15.39 | g1powermac_PB | and it'll work fine |
| 23:15.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy the 2.6.25 has only the core support for the hammer |
| 23:16.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy everthing can be turned on such as the leds, push buttons, and sd/mmc stuff |
| 23:16.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy but it needs to be added to the mach entry |
| 23:16.42 | Lars_G | prpplague: Yes you've told me before prp, I know it's jsut I've not logged into a while and I became unused to controling my normal language here. sorry |
| 23:16.42 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=100 |
| 23:16.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy the buzzer was kind of a hack, and i doubt it will ever be accepted as part of the main tree |
| 23:17.08 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: can you? it's only now that some providers in the US are allowing you to use their network with IMEIs not sold/controled by them |
| 23:17.15 | g1powermac_PB | this module (bought it off ebay from that seller) actually came with a breakout module and a sim card slot |
| 23:17.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy remember the 2.6.25.x releases are bug fixes |
| 23:17.38 | g1powermac_PB | yea, the cheap go-phones are done that way |
| 23:17.39 | ds2 | prpplague: interesting that you mention that... have you looked at what people are doing to support vibrate (like on phones or pagers)? |
| 23:17.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy so its essential the same as 2.6.25 |
| 23:17.48 | Lars_G | wow $33 |
| 23:17.51 | Lars_G | hugs g1powermac_PB |
| 23:18.02 | prpplague | ds2 sorry no |
| 23:18.11 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: don't thank me though, thanks SpeedEvil, he's the one that pointed it out to me :-) |
| 23:18.18 | prpplague | i have to been totally swampped with this board issue |
| 23:18.30 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=66 |
| 23:18.32 | ds2 | prpplague: that might be a way to get your buzzer stuff accepted into the kernel |
| 23:18.55 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: yea, I know, they're normally insanely priced |
| 23:18.57 | prpplague | ds2 there is already some buzzer stuff under the drivers/input/misc section |
| 23:19.11 | prpplague | ds2 just don't know what the requirments are |
| 23:19.17 | ds2 | ah |
| 23:19.27 | prpplague | ds2 the hammer buzzer was a hack of an existing buzzer code |
| 23:19.42 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: btw, not sure if the breakout board and sim card slots are included when you buy the module from their store, might want to go for the ebay side as thats how both me and SpeedEvil bought it |
| 23:19.56 | Lars_G | I don't think there's a standarized Buzzer interface in the kernel is there? |
| 23:20.04 | ds2 | is the hammer really a buzzer or more of a speaker (do you send it a square wave or just a GPIO high/low)? |
| 23:20.15 | g1powermac_PB | they never mention the breakout board and slots |
| 23:20.22 | prpplague | ds2 its using pwm to do square wave |
| 23:20.38 | ds2 | so it is really a crude speaker then? |
| 23:21.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't know what to add to get these accessible. :( |
| 23:21.04 | ds2 | nice - http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=159 |
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| 23:21.24 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: hehe, yea |
| 23:21.33 | prpplague | ds2 no its actually a buzzer, it only responses to some specific square waves |
| 23:21.51 | prpplague | ds2http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/misc/ixp4xx-beeper.c;h=798d84c44d036e7550a63c0b7c9448c67076c5ce;hb=HEAD |
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| 23:22.01 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: I find only the same in ebay |
| 23:22.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy what is that you want to add? |
| 23:22.25 | prpplague | ds2 basically the same as that, just using pwm instead |
| 23:22.30 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: yea, you'll find the same thing on ebay, they never mention the breakout board or sim card slot |
| 23:22.33 | Lars_G | Do you guys know if I can use a piezo speaker as a mic? maybe as a condenser mic? |
| 23:22.43 | Lars_G | I have a very very strange idea I want to try out |
| 23:22.51 | g1powermac_PB | they just tend to include it, at least thats what they did when both me and SpeedEvil bought one |
| 23:23.00 | ds2 | heh this is counter intuitive... a beeper as a "input" device? :) |
| 23:23.10 | prpplague | ds2 you can use the pwm on the hammer to do real audio |
| 23:23.25 | prpplague | ds2 indeed, i have never understood why greg wants this type of stuff as input |
| 23:23.42 | Lars_G | ds2: yeah |
| 23:23.48 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: oh, got some new pics to show ya: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/ |
| 23:23.51 | ds2 | If it were up to me, I'd make it an ALSA device |
| 23:23.55 | Lars_G | ds2: I need to find a very very very very flat form of mic. and I thought it might work |
| 23:24.02 | g1powermac_PB | we recently moved and I now have a new lab setup |
| 23:24.07 | Lars_G | But knowing how piezzo works, I doubt it'll work |
| 23:24.43 | Lars_G | Sigh if it where for me I'd spend all my income at sparkfun |
| 23:25.09 | prpplague | s/sparkfun/nudie-bar |
| 23:25.28 | g1powermac_PB | I also setup my old camcorder to help diagnose soldering problems |
| 23:25.37 | g1powermac_PB | or help with soldering really small things |
| 23:25.40 | Lars_G | :O |
| 23:25.44 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: you've become a pro |
| 23:25.55 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: getting there :-) |
| 23:26.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm too confused about all this right now, sorry. Brain not working well. :( :( |
| 23:27.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy indeed i'm in the same boat, dealing all day with someone else screw ups |
| 23:27.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not fun, I know. Been there many times. |
| 23:27.38 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: wolf dog's yours? |
| 23:27.56 | g1powermac_PB | heh, no wolf dog is my uncle's dog |
| 23:28.09 | g1powermac_PB | mine's the one in the pillow case, sadly |
| 23:28.25 | RobotGuy | I still can't believe the camera in my new phone is so slow, and AT&T tells me it's that way in all their PDA and Smart phones. Why do I have a difficult time swallowing that?? |
| 23:29.42 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: heh, those shots was when I was testing out my camera phone back in the day |
| 23:29.51 | g1powermac_PB | man that was awhile ago |
| 23:29.56 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:30.04 | g1powermac_PB | which reminds me |
| 23:30.19 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: have you ever hear from puff? |
| 23:31.10 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: Not since I called him. He didn't tell me so outright but I felt he didn't want to be called by me anymore so I've desisted |
| 23:31.18 | g1powermac_PB | doh, I completely forgot I had a shot of my old soldering iron on flickr |
| 23:31.51 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: k, I still wonder what happened to him |
| 23:32.14 | Lars_G | Me too but I'm not going to push it |
| 23:32.17 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: this is the old iron I had: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/21928334/ |
| 23:32.36 | Lars_G | sighs saddly |
| 23:32.46 | g1powermac_PB | ya, me too |
| 23:32.51 | Lars_G | you call this messy bench http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/98947629/ |
| 23:32.52 | Lars_G | ?? |
| 23:33.10 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 23:33.11 | g1powermac_PB | yup |
| 23:33.53 | Lars_G | My space would probably give you a heart attack I thankfully think don't have photos ofit |
| 23:34.01 | g1powermac_PB | tends to not let his workstations go really messy |
| 23:34.14 | Lars_G | In fact I saw yours and I felt instantly sad (for the new lab) I want a setup like that |
| 23:34.17 | g1powermac_PB | I clean as I hack |
| 23:35.38 | g1powermac_PB | what happens though sometimes is the areas you don't see on camera get really messy as I move piles of junk away from my work areas ;-) |
| 23:36.18 | Lars_G | And my problem is my workspace at home is too small and I have too many accumulated work and stuff |
| 23:36.42 | g1powermac_PB | yup, had that issue at my office at the store |
| 23:36.53 | g1powermac_PB | till I moved the piles of junk here |
| 23:37.08 | g1powermac_PB | now I need to go through it and reintegrate it all into my new lab :-) |
| 23:39.12 | g1powermac_PB | still need to get my imac here eventually, waiting for a table to be freed up |
| 23:42.38 | Lars_G | Man I'd so spend so much on sparkfun |
| 23:44.45 | g1powermac_PB | can spend too much money, period. . . |
| 23:45.19 | Lars_G | what? the king of samples? |
| 23:45.21 | Lars_G | lol |
| 23:45.35 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, somethings just can't be sampled :-) |
| 23:46.00 | g1powermac_PB | like two very nice and big lcds to replace the annoying crts attached to my dev machine |
| 23:46.51 | g1powermac_PB | not sure what the deal is with them, but the crts like to flicker alot, killing my eyes |
| 23:49.10 | g1powermac_PB | and I also can't get the colors to match between the two crts after numerous adjustments, so thats quite annoying as well |
| 23:50.11 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Everything in my PCs seems to be failing all at once. :( :( |
| 23:50.38 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: ouch |
| 23:50.56 | g1powermac_PB | main thing that always seems to die on me is ram |
| 23:51.18 | Lars_G | Multi Organic Failure |
| 23:51.18 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I can't connect with my Nail Board because of some problem with USB. It was fine last night. |
| 23:51.18 | Lars_G | Man I want the RFID reader |
| 23:51.21 | RobotGuy | My server is down because the primary hard drive seems to be failing. |
| 23:51.25 | g1powermac_PB | ram first, hdds second |
| 23:51.36 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: hmm, thats interesting |
| 23:51.48 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: my gut feeling is to check the ram though :-) |
| 23:52.02 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: It looses the bootloader or something similar. |
| 23:52.04 | g1powermac_PB | when ram goes, really, really weird things start happening |
| 23:52.35 | g1powermac_PB | then it means total reinstallation to get everything back up after fixing the ram too |
| 23:52.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I'm not even going to mess with it. I'd have to replace the mother board. CPU, and RAM (which I do have parts for). |
| 23:52.54 | g1powermac_PB | cause lots of little bits of things got corrupted |
| 23:57.09 | CosmicPenguin | leaves before the fire alarm goes off |
| 23:57.43 | RobotGuy | is getting frustrated |
