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| 01:48.16 | RobotGuy | opened a Samsung DirecTV box |
| 01:49.20 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: let me leech you :D |
| 01:52.27 | RobotGuy | The main processor is an sti5516fwc |
| 01:55.23 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 01:55.47 | g1powermac_PB | well, I finally got the security bit to take apart my old sega nomad tonight |
| 01:56.03 | g1powermac_PB | quite interesting design inside the thing |
| 01:56.58 | g1powermac_PB | of course I lost a screw when ripping it apart, but I did fix the power socket problem on it, it just needed to be resoldered |
| 01:57.34 | g1powermac_PB | despises the carpet he has in his lab, the second you drop a screw, its gone |
| 01:58.17 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: interesting |
| 01:59.01 | RobotGuy | I played with a Sony PSP the other day. Pretty cool, except Sony makes it. |
| 01:59.32 | g1powermac_PB | same feeling here |
| 02:00.04 | g1powermac_PB | sony makes interesting stuff, but after the rootkit fiasco, I'm boycotting their products |
| 02:01.22 | RobotGuy | I feel like just throwing everything out. |
| 02:01.31 | g1powermac_PB | btw, each time I get to use my new soldering iron, the more I love it |
| 02:03.05 | g1powermac_PB | its sooo much easier to manipulate compared to the old thing I have |
| 02:03.37 | g1powermac_PB | now I just need a pcb holder so the boards stop sliding all around when soldering :-) |
| 02:04.08 | RobotGuy | sti5516fwc is another custom part apparently. Can't get it to come up on a search of the St Micro site, but it is an St Micro part - unless St Microelectronics is a different company. |
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| 02:04.57 | RobotGuy | It's St Micro for sure. |
| 02:05.01 | insearchof | anyone around that knows about YAFFS2? |
| 02:05.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I think its part of the same family of chips as the old one in my 10 year old receiver |
| 02:05.52 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I agree. |
| 02:05.57 | RobotGuy | It's just more current. |
| 02:07.32 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: Neodinium magnet on a string |
| 02:08.19 | RobotGuy | Oh boy. I'm starting to have chest pains. |
| 02:08.25 | g1powermac_PB | ooo, shiny super magnet |
| 02:08.36 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: o.O? are you dying? |
| 02:08.39 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.st.com/stonline/press/news/year2003/p1291p.htm |
| 02:08.46 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: not good |
| 02:08.51 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: drag it on the carpet. you get all screws back |
| 02:08.56 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I know. |
| 02:08.57 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: are you feeling any other symptoms |
| 02:09.07 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Light headed |
| 02:09.17 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: depends on if the screws are iron based |
| 02:09.44 | Lars_G | RobotGuy: Measure your pulse. do you have a tension meter? |
| 02:09.45 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I would seek medical help asap |
| 02:09.59 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: They won't find anything |
| 02:10.23 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: they might, tell them you have chest pains and are light headed |
| 02:10.34 | RobotGuy | They won't believe what the EMTs show on their instruments. |
| 02:10.48 | g1powermac_PB | they will run the full cardiac tests |
| 02:11.13 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: The tests won't show anything though because it will have passed by the time I get to the hospital. |
| 02:11.39 | insearchof | quick question... for your embedded devices, do you use cramfs, jffs2, yaffs2, or other? |
| 02:12.47 | RobotGuy | I use either ext2 or jffs2 |
| 02:13.31 | insearchof | ok, I'm looking at moving to yaffs2 but it doesnt look to be wildly used... cool |
| 02:13.38 | RobotGuy | JFFS2 for flash, ext2 for everything else |
| 02:13.54 | insearchof | RobotGuy: yea, same here |
| 02:14.01 | RobotGuy | What are you planning to use YAFFS2 on? |
| 02:14.06 | insearchof | we ext3 for microdrives :-) |
| 02:14.17 | insearchof | Sharp Zaurus |
| 02:14.21 | insearchof | 64mb nand |
| 02:14.23 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh. |
| 02:14.26 | insearchof | pdaXrom :-) |
| 02:14.29 | RobotGuy | No experience with that. |
| 02:14.45 | insearchof | with yaffs2 or Zaurus? |
| 02:14.56 | insearchof | or both :-) |
| 02:16.25 | insearchof | I see a lot of good about it on ellinux.org, but we are revamping the entire distro from scratch and prior we have used jffs2 and I'm seeing speed increases with yaffs... |
| 02:23.33 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
| 02:24.04 | RobotGuy | insearchof: Which distribution? Is it something that could fairly easily be made into a small LiveCD? |
| 02:25.49 | RobotGuy | I need to make a LiveCD, but I need to customize what is on it. I'm looking at Morphix right now. |
| 02:27.43 | insearchof | RobotGuy: ??? what distribution? |
| 02:27.55 | insearchof | for yaffs? |
| 02:27.58 | insearchof | pdaXrom |
| 02:28.07 | RobotGuy | insearchof: Oh. |
| 02:28.26 | RobotGuy | I wish my phone was faster, but that's Windows Mobile for ya - thanks Microsoft. |
| 02:28.37 | insearchof | I'm a developer for pdaXrom, it is 100% built from scratch. Sorta like Openembedded |
| 02:28.52 | RobotGuy | insearchof: Ahhhh, OK. Multi-Platform? |
| 02:29.00 | insearchof | yes, |
| 02:29.06 | insearchof | well.. |
| 02:29.08 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmm.. |
| 02:29.11 | insearchof | pdaXrom is the distro |
| 02:29.19 | insearchof | we use ptxdist as our builder |
| 02:29.39 | RobotGuy | I've been thinking about trying to build something based on Gentoo. |
| 02:29.39 | insearchof | like Openmoko, Openembedded and Angstom use Bitbake as there builder |
| 02:30.10 | RobotGuy | I don't quite get the way to make the CD bootable though. |
| 02:30.13 | insearchof | We have looked at starting a Gentoo for Zaurus project... |
| 02:30.40 | RobotGuy | Well, that's not right. I can make a bootable CD, but I can't figure out how to make it a LiveCD - that is very confusing. |
| 02:31.03 | RobotGuy | Something that doesn't need hard disk space. |
| 02:31.03 | insearchof | lol, ptxdist can do it :-) but it wont be Gentoo |
| 02:31.24 | insearchof | well if you are looking to build something from 100% scratch |
| 02:31.36 | insearchof | ptxdist can do it... it will take some time, but it can be done |
| 02:31.50 | RobotGuy | I've done LFS/BLFS too, but it was a long time ago. |
| 02:32.29 | insearchof | right now I can build pdaxrom as a image for zaurus and make an identical version of it for liveCD, qemu images, ipaq build, etc |
| 02:33.12 | RobotGuy | Why would you want an identical set of software on the LiveCD? To install to a Zaurus? |
| 02:33.39 | RobotGuy | Anything that would run on a TI OMAP 1710? |
| 02:33.43 | insearchof | no, zaurus has no optical drives |
| 02:33.50 | insearchof | isnt at arm? |
| 02:33.52 | insearchof | that* |
| 02:34.02 | RobotGuy | No idea. I am going to get data on it now. |
| 02:34.14 | insearchof | yea |
| 02:34.18 | insearchof | it is armv9 |
| 02:34.27 | insearchof | the zaurus is armv5 |
| 02:35.13 | insearchof | it make it run fast and be optimized I would have do do some tweaks, yes pdaxrom as it is would boot on that hardware... |
| 02:35.27 | insearchof | it might not get far in the boot process, lol, but it would boot |
| 02:35.55 | insearchof | is this it http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11991&contentId=4670 |
| 02:36.29 | insearchof | wait... that s armv5 |
| 02:42.56 | RobotGuy | The OMAP 1710 appears to be able to run Linux. |
| 02:43.57 | RobotGuy | ARM 926 core |
| 02:54.25 | insearchof | yea, it will work... do you have one of these boards? |
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| 02:57.01 | RobotGuy | insearchof: My Samsung Blackjack II phone has the OMAP 1710 in it. |
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| 03:11.54 | insearchof | I dont know if you would want to do that.. lol |
| 03:13.42 | insearchof | the problem with a blackjack is figuring out how to flash that image |
| 03:13.45 | insearchof | the* |
| 03:15.26 | RobotGuy | insearchof: I only paid $50.00 for this Blackjack II (Refurbished). I wonder if it could be reflashed. |
| 03:17.32 | RobotGuy | There has to be a way to get firmware updated. |
| 03:20.51 | insearchof | but you would have to reverse engineer how the firmware is setup |
| 03:20.59 | insearchof | pain in the ass |
| 03:21.10 | insearchof | well hey, it is 11:21pm |
| 03:21.13 | insearchof | I need to sleep |
| 03:21.23 | insearchof | I will chat tomorrow |
| 03:21.33 | insearchof | Late |
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| 03:31.03 | RobotGuy | G'Night then |
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| 07:25.13 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 11:36.45 | g1powermac_PB | morning GPSFan |
| 11:37.55 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: good morning |
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| 12:21.29 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: did you see on the sparkfun forums that several people have been working on the small 1.3Mpixel camera yougot? |
| 12:27.59 | SpeedEvil | That one with the pathetic register-list as the datasheet? |
| 12:39.39 | GPSFan | SpeedEvil: yeah, they seem to have found a standard for the register contents. so it's not so bad as once thought. |
| 12:41.07 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: oh, no I haven't |
| 12:41.18 | g1powermac_PB | did they get it working? |
| 12:41.45 | GPSFan | yes, some have gotten pictures off it. |
| 12:41.49 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 12:42.22 | GPSFan | they are mostly interested in using it with AVR's but the register info will be useful |
| 12:42.33 | g1powermac_PB | yes |
| 12:42.41 | g1powermac_PB | surprising they got it working with an AVR |
| 12:45.16 | GPSFan | work... for small definations of work... |
| 12:45.28 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
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| 13:32.12 | mbuf | anyone here has worked with the LN2440SBC board from littlechips.com? |
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| 14:20.24 | g1powermac | morning prpplague |
| 14:20.39 | prpplague | g1powermac: greetings |
| 14:21.23 | g1powermac | hows that board layout issue treating ya? |
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| 14:29.32 | prpplague | g1powermac: not well |
| 14:29.40 | prpplague | plus i woke up with a bad sinus headache |
| 14:31.47 | g1powermac | ouch |
| 14:33.22 | RobotGuy | Mornin' |
| 14:33.38 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 14:33.43 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:33.49 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, what happened last night? |
| 14:33.53 | g1powermac | after I went to bed |
| 14:34.22 | g1powermac | obviously you're still alive, so thats a good thing :-) |
| 14:40.19 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Nothing. |
| 14:40.32 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I'm still alive. |
| 14:41.35 | g1powermac | well, thats good |
| 14:41.56 | g1powermac | is going to get his results of his bloodwork back today. . . |
| 14:42.00 | RobotGuy | I managed to get calmed down and distracted doing other things, and the pains went away. |
| 14:42.07 | g1powermac | interestingly the doc wants to talk the results over with me |
| 14:44.40 | RobotGuy | My doctor called me, which is unusual. He wants me to call for an appt today. |
| 14:45.14 | RobotGuy | I'm still really frustrated about everything breaking now though. |
| 14:45.25 | g1powermac | yea |
| 14:48.28 | RobotGuy | I was working on a new octapod design, and my 3D CAD program gets really sloooooooow as a design gets more complex. I only have 512 MB RAM. |
| 14:49.23 | RobotGuy | This design is being build around a Hammer-RDP |
| 14:49.35 | RobotGuy | *built |
| 14:56.01 | RobotGuy | I had to retrieve my cat from the top of the kitchen cabinets already this morning. That was a little stressful. |
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| 14:58.13 | insearchof | RobotGuy: Whats up |
| 14:58.22 | RobotGuy | Nothing at present. |
| 14:58.28 | RobotGuy | Just chilling. |
| 14:59.55 | insearchof | Does anyone us ICQ? if so, are you able to connect? |
| 15:00.17 | g1powermac | stopped using icq a very long time ago |
| 15:00.56 | insearchof | I talk to people all over the world, embedded devs, and they use it... |
| 15:01.02 | RobotGuy | I have ICQ when I am in Linux, and MSN, and Yahoo. |
| 15:01.03 | insearchof | so I had no choice, lol |
| 15:01.20 | insearchof | so you are connect to ICQ now? |
| 15:01.23 | RobotGuy | Got them all on my phone now too. :) |
| 15:01.33 | RobotGuy | I even have AIM. |
| 15:01.37 | insearchof | I'm getting connect refused from auth server |
| 15:02.15 | RobotGuy | I'm online with AIM now. |
| 15:02.54 | g1powermac | sticks with just irc atm |
| 15:03.09 | RobotGuy | I don't have IRC on my phone. Yet. |
| 15:03.18 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 15:04.33 | RobotGuy | insearchof: I think there is a problem with AIM now - I signed off and can't get back on now. |
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| 15:08.55 | insearchof | yea.. ICQ and AIM use login.oscar.com |
| 15:14.34 | g1powermac | hah: http://ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/06/not-quite-a-burma-shave |
| 15:15.10 | g1powermac | sad part is that I've seen commercials on the tv that are very spam like |
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| 15:17.37 | Mr_Bonga | hi |
| 15:18.06 | g1powermac | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/18/hardware-fail/ |
| 15:18.10 | g1powermac | now thats just wrong |
| 15:21.47 | MothaWork | hey, anybody know a good (but not like 4 figures expensive) JTAG interface for ARM that is compatible with openocd or can otherwise be used from a linux development environment? |
| 15:22.18 | g1powermac | umm, prpplague's flyswatter? |
| 15:22.36 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I am considering opening up the HighDef box I have. Surely it must have something interesting in there.. |
| 15:22.47 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, most definitely |
| 15:25.14 | MothaWork | g1powermac: is that faster and more reliable than the Olimex thing? |
| 15:25.25 | g1powermac | no clue on that |
| 15:25.37 | g1powermac | has actually never used his flyswatter yet |
| 15:25.47 | g1powermac | though I only got it a week or so ago |
| 15:25.55 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: don't know they seems to be based on the same chipset :) |
| 15:26.17 | MothaWork | yeah |
| 15:26.18 | g1powermac | MothaWork, of course if it doesn't work, you always got prpplague to bug ;-) |
| 15:26.23 | g1powermac | ducks ;-) |
| 15:26.24 | MothaWork | looks like it's just bit-banged in software? |
| 15:26.49 | g1powermac | not sure if its entirely bitbanged |
| 15:26.58 | g1powermac | it is using a ftdi chip |
| 15:27.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: olimex makes several jtag models |
| 15:27.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: the usb one olimex makes is similiar to the flyswatter |
| 15:27.57 | RobotGuy | I got a bad Olimex Tiny USB, but never got around to sending it back. |
| 15:29.13 | RobotGuy | I'd get the big Olimex ARM OCD USB JTAG if I were going to get another one. |
| 15:30.37 | RobotGuy | insearchof: AIM is working again. |
| 15:31.05 | MothaWork | we have a bunch of the Olimex ARM-USB-OCD thingies |
| 15:31.09 | MothaWork | they are very slow and unreliable |
| 15:31.20 | MothaWork | they get easily confused, and we actually had one just up and die for some reason |
| 15:31.38 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: That seems to be what happened to my Tiny OCD. |
| 15:32.12 | RobotGuy | I have a Rowley CrossConnect Lite, but it only works with Crossworks. |
| 15:33.01 | MothaWork | prpplague: we're willing to spend some money to get a decent one. Something faster and harder to confuse |
| 15:33.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea i've heard some about the quality was lacking on those |
| 15:33.38 | MothaWork | these Olimex ones take like 7-10 seconds to program our chip, which isn't terrible, but when pulling local variables in gdb, it can take 5-10 seconds to pull some moderately sized structs |
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| 15:34.24 | RobotGuy | Hmmph |
| 15:34.48 | chouimat|work | only have an home made wiggler |
| 15:39.24 | insearchof | RobotGuy: AIM and ICQ is back |
| 15:39.43 | RobotGuy | I know about AIM. :) No ICQ on my phone. Yet. |
| 15:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | dumps the Ubuntu version of mutt and builds his own |
| 15:43.15 | CosmicPenguin | its amazing how quickly you can get addicted to the news reader |
| 15:43.15 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:47.02 | g1powermac | well, finally got the blood results back |
| 15:47.51 | g1powermac | sigh, and guess what? what we thought was the problem came back all normal and something we thought would be ok isn't |
| 15:48.04 | g1powermac | its the story of my life with these stupid bloodworks |
| 15:48.54 | g1powermac | celiac stuff came back negative, but now my iron stores are too low |
| 15:50.26 | SpeedEvil | passes g1powermac a 6" nail. |
| 15:50.58 | chouimat|work | gives g1powermac a few horses .... |
| 15:51.15 | g1powermac | heh, I got an adjustable wrench sitting here. . .I'm eyeing it ;-) |
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| 16:23.01 | prpplague | has yet again conquered a board issue! |
| 16:23.16 | g1powermac | prpplague, so what was the issue? |
| 16:23.17 | kergoth | grats |
| 16:23.52 | prpplague | found it, looks like two traces to some config resistors were broken just enough that you get some connectivity, but not enough to latch the config |
| 16:24.11 | g1powermac | ahh, fun |
| 16:24.30 | prpplague | just scratch back some of the mask and add a little solder |
| 16:24.40 | prpplague | gonna beef up the trace on the next rev |
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| 16:35.34 | g1powermac | wonders if he could take an old slide projector and turn it into an lcd projector for your computer. . . |
| 16:36.21 | SpeedEvil | Not really |
| 16:36.32 | SpeedEvil | If you have a 35mm LCD sure. |
| 16:36.46 | g1powermac | yea, that would be the toughest part |
| 16:37.04 | solar | g1powermac: http://www.audiovisualizers.com/madlab/lcd_proj.htm |
| 16:37.38 | g1powermac | yea, seen that |
| 16:38.08 | g1powermac | bbiab |
| 16:38.08 | solar | when you said the idea. I knew I had seen it somewhere before. Thought it might of been on instructables however |
| 16:45.01 | MothaWork | prpplague: what trace size are you using? |
| 16:45.45 | prpplague | 4mil |
| 16:47.07 | MothaWork | and you're getting questionable connectivity with that? |
| 16:47.25 | kergoth | top |
| 16:47.27 | kergoth | bah |
| 16:47.34 | kergoth | kicks X |
| 16:48.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: only seems to be a problem on just two resistor locations |
| 16:50.20 | MothaWork | hum. Might want to talk with your PCB fab's CAM department. Perhaps there's some feature that's causing imaging issues |
| 16:50.34 | MothaWork | assuming the process is good to 4 mil |
| 16:55.25 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, not really my problem at this stage, but i think they went with a cheap board house for these protos |
| 16:55.35 | prpplague | iirc some place called gorilla |
| 16:56.47 | prpplague | http://www.gorillacircuits.com/mgmt_team.htm |
| 16:57.23 | CosmicPenguin | Your company doesn't have a standard "no vendors with monkey names" clause? |
| 17:01.29 | prpplague | guess not |
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| 17:13.33 | RobotGuy | reads the back scroll |
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| 17:23.17 | RobotGuy | Just had the fellow here who is trying to get me a replacement power chair. |
| 17:44.52 | MothaWork | prpplague: I had good luck with "Circuits West". They do quickish (4-5 day) turn as well as production |
| 17:45.05 | MothaWork | always nice to get your protos done by the same people. Gives something of a feel for the quality of the production |
| 17:58.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, problem is i'm not involved in that decision |
| 17:59.30 | ds2 | prpplague: how did you determine those traces was at fault? |
| 17:59.32 | prpplague | well the board is up, but the flash isn't working properly :( |
| 18:00.04 | chouimat|work | prpplague fun :) |
| 18:00.21 | prpplague | ds2: i was checking every via for the back side of the bga, and found those two with fluctuation voltages |
| 18:00.35 | ds2 | oh brute force |
| 18:01.42 | prpplague | yep |
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| 18:03.56 | chouimat|work | prpplague I'm spending my time trying why for some obscure reason an usb key crash the whole device ... before that it was characters encoding stuff :) |
| 18:04.29 | ds2 | you are drawing too much power on the USB key? |
| 18:04.45 | chouimat|work | ds2: probably a bug in the ntfs driver we use |
| 18:04.55 | ds2 | ewwwwwwwwwwwww NTFS |
| 18:05.27 | chouimat|work | this a device used by "your parents" so we support vfat and ntfs on usb keys |
| 18:07.35 | ds2 | FAT is understandable but NTFS ewwwwwwwww a filesystem that is in flux and may not be readable by the next version of a close source OS; while at the same time it is not documented enough for anyone else to reliably access it |
| 18:08.15 | ds2 | why don't we start recording deeds, wills, etc on flash paper with disappearing ink |
| 18:08.15 | chouimat|work | true but SM decided it would be a great feature to have ... |
| 18:09.40 | ds2 | like a free pack of strike anywhere matches with gasoline purchase? :) |
| 18:09.54 | chouimat|work | ds2: I don't even fat with mine ... I enabled some of the "developer/unsupported features" |
| 18:10.02 | chouimat|work | +use |
| 18:10.11 | ds2 | heh |
| 18:10.56 | chouimat|work | but since I get paid 70K for this job I'm currently watching ntfs-3g compiling :) |
| 18:11.43 | ds2 | so you are an embedded whore like the rest of us ;) |
| 18:11.56 | chouimat|work | heeh |
| 18:12.29 | chouimat|work | and I have to play with linux and OS X all day :) |
| 18:20.41 | g1powermac_PB | dang |
| 18:21.03 | g1powermac_PB | I decided to buy one of these $20 wallet digital picture frames to hack |
| 18:21.11 | g1powermac_PB | and the dang main chip is a CoB |
| 18:22.00 | RobotGuy | CoB? |
| 18:22.40 | g1powermac_PB | Chip on Board |
| 18:22.59 | g1powermac_PB | luckily it really didn't cost me anything, I used up an old gift card to buy it ;-) |
| 18:23.35 | CosmicPenguin | you could, you know - use it |
| 18:23.39 | CosmicPenguin | like it was intended |
| 18:23.43 | CosmicPenguin | I know, I know - thats no fun |
| 18:23.46 | g1powermac_PB | bah! |
| 18:24.06 | g1powermac_PB | bought for hacking not using ;-) |
| 18:24.09 | g1powermac_PB | *it |
| 18:27.35 | g1powermac_PB | though it does have a nice small lcd in it. . .wonder how hard it would be to use it in that lcd projector idea I had before I left. . . |
| 18:29.01 | ds2 | COB is a new corn based biodegradable technology ;) |
| 18:30.01 | g1powermac_PB | loves how this thing recognizes it self over usb |
| 18:30.07 | g1powermac_PB | it claims to be a cdrom |
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| 18:41.20 | g1powermac_PB | hah, but I think I figured it out |
| 18:41.44 | g1powermac_PB | in the usb device entry, it says its a TP-6801 USB chip |
| 18:41.59 | g1powermac_PB | (besides the cdrom part) |
| 18:42.01 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.skyhigh.com.cn/front/product_detail.aspx?product_id=196&protectornot=false |
| 18:42.24 | g1powermac_PB | and its an 8051 chip! I love it |
| 18:43.31 | g1powermac_PB | yea, and the other chip on the board is a simple spi flash chip to hold the photos |
| 18:54.23 | prpplague | how big is the flash? |
| 18:55.02 | prpplague | wonder if you could upload different firmware |
| 18:58.14 | g1powermac_PB | not positive yet |
| 18:58.34 | g1powermac_PB | the markings on the flash chip are kinda blocked |
| 18:59.45 | roxfan | check if manufacturer has updates available |
| 19:01.00 | g1powermac_PB | well, the link I posted has a image view demo software available |
| 19:01.56 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.walletpix.com/?page=help |
| 19:02.00 | g1powermac_PB | thats what I got, btw |
| 19:02.08 | g1powermac_PB | they're $20 at the local walmart |
| 19:08.52 | SpeedEvil | There is a dissasembly of one on the intarweb somewhere. |
| 19:09.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I might be able to get a brand new power chair to replace this one that's caused me so many problems. |
| 19:09.25 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: nice |
| 19:09.30 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: hmm, interesting |
| 19:09.43 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: :) |
| 19:09.58 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I still need to figure out how to pay the remaining 20% that insurance won't pay though. |
| 19:10.29 | RobotGuy | That will come to around $1500.00 |
| 19:12.09 | g1powermac_PB | ouch |
| 19:12.17 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: we need to find a datasheet for it |
| 19:20.36 | RobotGuy | What are you guys hacking now? |
| 19:22.38 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: read the back log :-) |
| 19:23.15 | g1powermac_PB | basically, I bought a wallet sized digital picture frame using an old gift card I had sitting in my wallet |
| 19:26.09 | RobotGuy | Ahh, OK, just got done with the back scroll. |
| 19:26.59 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if I'd get a response if I tried emailing the manufacturer for a datasheet |
| 19:27.27 | RobotGuy | Tell them you area picture frame manufacturer. ;) |
| 19:27.27 | g1powermac_PB | I do have a nice corporate sounding email addy for just this purpose, and to get free samples :-) |
| 19:31.29 | RobotGuy | I do too. :) Hopefully mine will be real one day. |
| 19:31.54 | RobotGuy | I just need money to setup all the business stuff I'd rather not have to deal with. |
| 19:32.18 | RobotGuy | $100.00 just to register two names in three counties. |
| 19:32.53 | g1powermac_PB | yup, yup |
| 19:33.14 | CosmicPenguin | Broadcom is moving into our building |
| 19:33.17 | CosmicPenguin | and today is fire inspection day |
| 19:33.20 | CosmicPenguin | the alarms keep going off |
| 19:33.28 | CosmicPenguin | scares the bejebus out of me every time they go off |
| 19:33.54 | agaffney | heh |
| 19:33.56 | CosmicPenguin | thats just one more crime perpratrated against me by Broadcom |
| 19:34.02 | CosmicPenguin | adds it to the list |
| 19:34.20 | CosmicPenguin | I'm looking forward to softball season next year |
| 19:34.28 | CosmicPenguin | play against both Intel and Broadcom - win! |
| 19:34.48 | CosmicPenguin | and HP, but I really don't have anything against them |
| 19:35.22 | g1powermac_PB | hah |
| 19:35.47 | g1powermac_PB | alright, email sent, see if I get a response |
| 19:42.07 | RobotGuy | There is only one company I couldn't convince to give me samples so far. |
| 19:42.54 | g1powermac_PB | which one? |
| 19:43.08 | RobotGuy | Moschip |
| 19:43.25 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, never heard of them |
| 19:43.42 | RobotGuy | They make a few really cool chips. Some are in DIP form too. |
| 19:43.45 | g1powermac_PB | usually atmel is the one no one can get samples from, at least thats what I always here |
| 19:43.56 | RobotGuy | I never tried Atmel. |
| 19:44.08 | g1powermac_PB | there's a trick with atmel |
| 19:44.26 | RobotGuy | Oh? |
| 19:44.33 | g1powermac_PB | you need to whine to your regional office saying you ordered samples via their website but never got anything |
| 19:44.47 | g1powermac_PB | then they patch you directly to your local sales rep |
| 19:45.03 | RobotGuy | Ahhhhh, but couldn't you have gone straight to the local rep? |
| 19:45.14 | g1powermac_PB | once you know your sales rep, you got an in |
| 19:45.42 | RobotGuy | They are probably bought lunches frequently. |
| 19:46.01 | g1powermac_PB | its alot better if the initial email came directly from atmel, gets them moving :-) |
| 19:49.41 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:49.45 | RobotGuy | I want to get an Arduino USB board. I want to try and make it a peripheral for Hammer. |
| 19:49.53 | prpplague | this board just keeps getting better and better |
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| 19:52.40 | SpeedEvil | This the simplified test board? |
| 19:53.04 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: talking to me? |
| 19:53.32 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 19:54.06 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no the simplified board only had the bga for the processor |
| 19:54.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i've got the main boards up and running now, but the flash isn't working right |
| 19:54.49 | SpeedEvil | :) - in a way. |
| 19:54.55 | prpplague | ?? |
| 19:55.04 | SpeedEvil | Why were they not coming up first? |
| 19:55.26 | SpeedEvil | I mean - it's good that they are coming up at all - obviously not that the flash isn't working. |
| 19:58.16 | prpplague | <prpplague> found it, looks like two traces to some config resistors were broken just enough that you get some connectivity, but not enough to latch the config |
| 19:59.41 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 20:32.50 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
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| 21:48.46 | g1powermac_PB | bah, phewy, looks like the tp6801 is using otp rom for its main firmware |
| 21:49.30 | MonMotha | prpplague: is the entire board routed with 4 mil traces, or just in dense sections? |
| 21:49.48 | MonMotha | I try to keep the non-micro-BGA sections to 5/5 to keep problems like this to a minimum |
| 21:50.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: just the dense section, it looks to be an assembly issue |
| 21:50.50 | MonMotha | ah, ok |
| 21:51.44 | g1powermac_PB | well, I might relegate this device to the scrap heap of parts |
| 21:51.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: we retested some of the blank pcbs |
| 21:51.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: they look goo |
| 21:51.51 | prpplague | good |
| 21:58.33 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if he could reuse the lcd in this picture viewer |
| 22:00.54 | MonMotha | if you can get docs on it, certainly |
| 22:04.34 | g1powermac_PB | ponders what the part number is on it |
| 22:04.48 | g1powermac_PB | there's at least three or four different numbers on the lcd |
| 22:10.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: take a pic of it |
| 22:11.23 | g1powermac_PB | k, I will in a little bit |
| 22:11.49 | g1powermac_PB | one thing though is I think its a 1.52" cstn lcd, |
| 22:12.00 | g1powermac_PB | with a 20 pin connector |
| 22:13.48 | g1powermac_PB | could be interesting trying to get the lcd off the board |
| 22:14.04 | g1powermac_PB | the flex connector is glued to the pcb along being soldered |
| 22:15.30 | g1powermac_PB | thinks this is the part number: dfm-061a |
| 22:16.02 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: got scope? |
| 22:16.18 | g1powermac_PB | yes, but it only samples upto 5mhz |
| 22:16.29 | SpeedEvil | That's fine - you can see the bus changing. |
| 22:16.34 | SpeedEvil | See what the clocks are, ... |
| 22:16.35 | ds2 | it is amazing how similar u-boot flash support code is to the linux mtd code |
| 22:16.43 | SpeedEvil | See if it's in fact a raster. |
| 22:16.51 | ds2 | wonder which came first |
| 22:22.18 | prpplague | the mtd code |
| 22:25.21 | g1powermac_PB | well, I got the glue off |
| 22:25.33 | g1powermac_PB | so it won't be hard at all to reuse the lcd |
| 22:25.51 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: interesting |
| 22:27.25 | g1powermac_PB | ok, I think this is it: http://www.dnlcd.com.cn/en/product_show.asp?showid=149 |
| 22:27.33 | g1powermac_PB | though sadly it gives no info |
| 22:28.00 | ds2 | is there a linux-mtd list? |
| 22:28.03 | g1powermac_PB | but thats what it looks like |
| 22:29.51 | CosmicPenguin | ds2: http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-mtd |
| 22:30.04 | ds2 | thanks |
| 22:37.09 | ds2 | kind of inline with what this channel does - |
| 22:37.12 | ds2 | http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.mattkirkland.com/ursum.html |
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| 23:08.41 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 23:09.14 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hi |
| 23:09.37 | RobotGuy | How goes the hacking? |
| 23:10.12 | g1powermac_PB | not super great, seems the chip in the picture frame only has OTP rom after all |
| 23:10.27 | g1powermac_PB | but the lcd might be salvageable |
| 23:10.37 | RobotGuy | Oops. Not entirely unexpected though. That keeps costs down. |
| 23:10.54 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 23:10.58 | RobotGuy | Well, I guess it keeps costs down. |
| 23:11.14 | g1powermac_PB | but $20 for a nice cstn 1.58" lcd is pretty good |
| 23:11.14 | ds2 | so it might as well be a biodegradable thing made from corn ;) |
| 23:13.05 | RobotGuy | My phone has a 2.4" 320x240 display. |
| 23:15.38 | RobotGuy | I don't get why OpenOCD can't find the Hammer on Nail now. It was find the first day I fiddled with it and not since. |
| 23:22.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy jeeze, you already fried it? |
| 23:22.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy can you post the log? |
| 23:22.53 | RobotGuy | I doubt that. I never even had it out of the case. |
| 23:24.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy pastebin the openocd log |
| 23:24.55 | RobotGuy | I will |
| 23:25.09 | ds2 | maybe the flyswatter is fried ;) |
| 23:25.31 | prpplague | ds2 no flyswatter with the nail |
| 23:25.36 | prpplague | ds2 its builtin |
| 23:25.41 | ds2 | Oh right |
| 23:26.18 | RobotGuy | Is the openocd.log supposed to be in the current dir? |
| 23:26.30 | prpplague | wonders if he would get fired for changing the phone system hold music |
| 23:26.39 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 23:26.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy no, just do: ./openocd -f hammer.cfg > myerror.log |
| 23:26.55 | ds2 | depends on what you change it to ;) |
| 23:27.07 | RobotGuy | ds2: I didn't change it |
| 23:27.34 | ds2 | I mean the hold music |
| 23:28.40 | prpplague | ds2 can you do dcc? |
| 23:30.24 | prpplague | i guess most people have dcc blocked these days |
| 23:30.48 | ds2 | prpplague: apparently something is eatting packets in the middle |
| 23:31.02 | prpplague | looks for ds2 mailing address |
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| 23:33.22 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB you've got spam |
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| 23:34.27 | ds230 | send it here |
| 23:34.53 | prpplague | ds2 you'be got spam |
| 23:35.06 | RobotGuy | There isn't anything going to the log file. I give up for now. Got to get away from all frustrations. |
| 23:35.48 | ds230 | arrrrggg AFS... bb |
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| 23:36.36 | ds230 | one more time... AFS expired my write perms :( |
| 23:36.51 | prpplague | ds230 check you email i sent it to your email you used for the funkit |
| 23:38.09 | ds2 | got the mail... looks like your end is not allowing a connect |
| 23:38.43 | prpplague | ds2 yea, i think my firewall doesn't have something configured |
| 23:38.48 | prpplague | ds2 have to look at it later |
| 23:40.42 | ds2 | ds230 was on an open unfiltered machine |
| 23:40.55 | prpplague | ds2 ahh so must be on my end |
| 23:41.24 | prpplague | i have to keep the firewall at max because of my step-daughters winblows laptop |
| 23:41.43 | prpplague | ds2 thats a handy theme song to keep around |
| 23:42.03 | prpplague | ds2 you can use it next time you get a crappy assignment from work |
| 23:42.53 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:42.59 | prpplague | is worn out |
| 23:43.15 | prpplague | having to do my job and the EE's job too is really crappy |
| 23:43.40 | ds2 | heheh |
| 23:44.28 | prpplague | is going to put that song on a hot key on his pc at work |
| 23:44.33 | ds2 | hmmm convert to ring tones ;) |
| 23:44.54 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 23:45.31 | prpplague | ds2 thats from barbados, strong strong bajan accents |
| 23:45.48 | ds2 | couldn't tell if the accent was faked or not |
| 23:46.00 | ds2 | it is a lot like the jamacian ones |
| 23:46.37 | prpplague | ds2 yea very different accents |
| 23:47.20 | prpplague | ds2 well i say that, but most americans can't tell the difference |
| 23:47.34 | ds2 | the closest I got to either place is tampa, fl |
| 23:48.14 | prpplague | ds2 funny thing is that malibu rum is made in barbados, but they always use jamacians for the commercials |
| 23:48.37 | ds2 | they still make rum over there? |
| 23:48.56 | prpplague | ds2 hehe indeed, it's still the number one export |
| 23:49.05 | ds2 | that's something from pre-USA with the triangular trade and stuff in the text books |
| 23:49.08 | prpplague | notes that barbados is the birth place of rum |
| 23:49.31 | ds2 | is the molasses locally sourced now? |
| 23:49.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: [citation needed] |
| 23:49.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin ?? |
| 23:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | what do you mean by rum? |
| 23:50.47 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum |
| 23:51.06 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - thats what I thought |
| 23:51.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:51.28 | CosmicPenguin | it wasn't the first sugarcane based |
| 23:51.41 | prpplague | mt.gay distillary was the first recorded place to ever make rum |
| 23:51.48 | CosmicPenguin | but first molasses based |
| 23:52.08 | ds2 | isn't surgar cane juice fermented something else? |
| 23:52.15 | prpplague | http://www.tastings.com/spirits/rum.html |
| 23:52.25 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the thing about "firsts" |
| 23:52.42 | CosmicPenguin | you have to be really specific, because people have been getting drunk far longer then recorded history |
| 23:52.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin indeed |
| 23:53.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin barbados was the first place that sugar cane was grown specifically for making alchol |
| 23:53.26 | CosmicPenguin | cool |
| 23:54.23 | ds2 | what is fermented sugar cane juice called? |
| 23:54.24 | prpplague | i think i still have a pic of the first copper boiler at mt.gay on the abcsinc server |
| 23:55.44 | prpplague | hehe nope they must have removed those recently |
| 23:56.01 | prpplague | ds2 i don't know if there is an official name |
| 23:56.10 | prpplague | ds2 there are alot of slang for it |
| 23:57.42 | prpplague | ds2 did you understand what the guy was saying the song? |
| 23:57.56 | ds2 | prpplague: a little bit if I concentrate |
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| 23:58.08 | prpplague | speaking of barbados |
| 23:58.12 | prpplague | dijenerate greetings |
| 23:58.30 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hahahaa, so wrong, so very wrong |
| 23:58.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB think i'd get fired? |
| 23:58.47 | dijenerate | hi prpplague |
| 23:58.51 | dijenerate | hi all |
| 23:58.58 | ds2 | someone may notice ;) |
| 23:59.09 | dijenerate | ??? |
| 23:59.13 | prpplague | dijenerate introducing a few folks to the deshytesong |
| 23:59.20 | dijenerate | what's the 'off'-topic? |
| 23:59.29 | dijenerate | ahhhh |
| 23:59.32 | dijenerate | gotcha |
| 23:59.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:59.42 | dijenerate | :) |
| 23:59.42 | prpplague | dijenerate and discussing the history of rum |
| 23:59.42 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: for sure ;-) |
| 23:59.54 | dijenerate | rum... the good stuff |
| 23:59.56 | dijenerate | :) |