| 00:00.01 | ds2 | essential ingredients for proper embedded development ;) |
| 00:00.08 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: though it does depend on them finding out it was you ;-) |
| 00:00.31 | dijenerate | prpplague: speaking of, which you're missing a good time tonight, a couple of friends opened a new bar in St. Lawrence Gap |
| 00:00.48 | prpplague | dijenerate oh yea? where at? |
| 00:00.52 | dijenerate | prpplague: going over there tonight... there will be much drinking and merry-making |
| 00:01.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: do you know where the Jade Garden Chinese Restaurant is in St. Lawrence Gap? |
| 00:01.29 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:02.10 | dijenerate | prpplague: downstairs that, where there was an icecream shop before |
| 00:02.13 | prpplague | my brother in law opened a new restaurant down there recently |
| 00:02.25 | prpplague | dijenerate ahh |
| 00:02.31 | dijenerate | prpplague: called 'The Lighthouse Bar' |
| 00:02.36 | prpplague | dijenerate i never made it to the gap much |
| 00:02.44 | prpplague | dijenerate too many tourists |
| 00:02.53 | prpplague | hangs his head low |
| 00:02.59 | dijenerate | prpplague: I haven't much of late because I've been overworked |
| 00:03.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: but all work and no play... |
| 00:03.20 | dijenerate | prpplague: so I'm making an effort |
| 00:03.26 | prpplague | i always went to the hercules in oistins |
| 00:03.44 | prpplague | i like a good rum shop |
| 00:04.20 | prpplague | dijenerate i notice that google updated the maps and images for barbdos just recently |
| 00:04.29 | dijenerate | prpplague: well tourists, locals, didn't matter so long as I had fun, but this bar is a cozy little spot so not much room for either, just close friends and the occasional... |
| 00:04.42 | prpplague | dijenerate indeed |
| 00:04.56 | dijenerate | prpplague: gov changed and they sorted out the Town&County Planning issues |
| 00:05.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: so up-to-date GPS maps etc for the masses |
| 00:05.13 | prpplague | yea dave hasn't really settled in yet |
| 00:05.37 | prpplague | yea i heard lots of new signs and such |
| 00:06.50 | prpplague | dijenerate i joke with my wife, that one day i'm going back to barbados and running for MP |
| 00:08.17 | prpplague | probably do no better than farley |
| 00:09.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: you might do... lol |
| 00:09.46 | prpplague | dijenerate hehe, she says no one will vote for a redleg |
| 00:10.39 | dijenerate | prpplague: wtf |
| 00:10.44 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 00:10.48 | dijenerate | prpplague: well dude, can't stay to chat for long I'm about to go to my last customer for the day, got to do a damage assessment... their office had a flood and every piece of digital equipment on the floor was under a foot of water, so gotta go quote them on replacement etc |
| 00:11.09 | prpplague | dijenerate hehe, np |
| 00:11.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: then off to The Lighthouse |
| 00:11.32 | dijenerate | prpplague: ttyl |
| 00:11.35 | prpplague | dijenerate good deal, we'll have to hook up near xmas when i'm down |
| 00:11.49 | dijenerate | prpplague: sounds like a plan |
| 00:11.54 | dijenerate | prpplague: :) |
| 00:12.02 | prpplague | dijenerate don't drink too much , hehe |
| 00:12.03 | dijenerate | l8tr all |
| 00:21.19 | Lars_G | Good day all |
| 00:34.35 | g1powermac_PB | hey Lars_G |
| 00:38.49 | Lars_G | hey |
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| 12:08.20 | T0mW | GPSFan: morning Ken |
| 12:08.46 | GPSFan | T0mW: g'day |
| 12:09.15 | T0mW | GPSFan: 11 more days before closing on the house |
| 12:09.41 | GPSFan | !! cool. you get the inspections done? |
| 12:10.30 | T0mW | GPSFan: septic failed, busted pipe in the manifold of the sand mound. They are going to repair it and then I can retest |
| 12:11.18 | T0mW | GPSFan: I am looking forward to having a room just as my workshop. Then I can use my living-room as a living-room |
| 12:11.23 | GPSFan | broken pipe = no fun... |
| 12:12.03 | GPSFan | it will fill up sooner or later, so will the garage... |
| 12:12.12 | T0mW | GPSFan: no problem though, we know where it is as the septic guy dug it up to see what the problem was. Just a short section of pipe needs to be cut out and replaced. |
| 12:12.18 | T0mW | heh |
| 12:12.36 | T0mW | GPSFan: no garage, but I have two sheds... |
| 12:12.50 | T0mW | don't forget the crawl space! |
| 12:13.03 | GPSFan | and attic |
| 12:13.22 | GPSFan | can you put up a tower? |
| 12:14.43 | T0mW | I dunno, it is in a community with a home owners assoc. I was thinking of putting up a "tv" tower. |
| 12:15.30 | GPSFan | how much property? |
| 12:15.31 | T0mW | I've used wire antennas for years. I'll put a wire up when I get the place, then get the Kenwood TS-850 situated. |
| 12:15.37 | T0mW | 0.5 acres |
| 12:16.06 | GPSFan | nice |
| 12:16.14 | g1powermac_PB | euh, homeowner's association. . . |
| 12:16.24 | g1powermac_PB | man, we've had soooo many issues with them |
| 12:16.34 | GPSFan | keep your lawn trimmed... |
| 12:17.03 | T0mW | GPSFan: there is a 1.5 acre lot next to mine that the guy up the street owns (adjacent to his property). They bought the three lots and had them added to theirs. They are going to keep it wooded. |
| 12:17.19 | GPSFan | no leaf piles in the fall, paint your house the "right" color... |
| 12:17.29 | T0mW | so, I may be able to put a tower up near that property line (fall-over clearance) |
| 12:18.25 | T0mW | GPSFan: cute house, contemporary, could have some nice "curb appeal" once I take down some spruce trees lining the road. |
| 12:18.53 | T0mW | heh |
| 12:19.59 | T0mW | GPSFan: I have to repaint the interior of the house (exterior as well) and was all wrapped up into how I would do the painting: tools, prep the wall surface. Then it hit me ... What colors are the rooms going to be! |
| 12:20.00 | T0mW | doh |
| 12:20.08 | T0mW | didn't think about that one |
| 12:20.38 | T0mW | GPSFan: no worries, I just get some women friends to give me suggestions. :) |
| 12:20.59 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 12:21.31 | T0mW | I'd prolly go with green walls and brown furniture |
| 12:24.03 | GPSFan | T0mW: ask 4 women their opinions on color choices, get 12 opinions... |
| 12:25.19 | T0mW | LOL |
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| 13:13.31 | insearchof | whats up RobotGuy |
| 13:13.50 | RobotGuy | Nothing, so far. I just got up. |
| 13:14.02 | RobotGuy | Looking at power wheel chairs. |
| 13:14.03 | insearchof | cool |
| 13:14.33 | insearchof | I'm about to go to a meeting |
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| 13:39.19 | insearchof | ok first meeting is over... next one in 20 min |
| 13:39.36 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague and RobotGuy |
| 13:39.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Mornin' |
| 13:39.53 | prpplague | greetings |
| 13:40.04 | insearchof | morning g1powermac_PB |
| 13:40.10 | g1powermac_PB | heya insearchof |
| 13:40.42 | SpeedEvil | Morning everyone. (for varying values of morning). |
| 13:41.06 | insearchof | same to you SpeedEvil |
| 13:41.10 | insearchof | I'm about mid morning |
| 13:41.27 | SpeedEvil | I got up a couple of hours ago, but it's 3PM. |
| 13:41.53 | SpeedEvil | wanders outside into the brightness to throw sand on low-patches of his lawn. |
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| 14:55.21 | dbtid | howdy |
| 14:55.37 | dbtid | is anyone use the native posix thread library for arm? |
| 14:55.49 | dbtid | i have denx's eldk 4.1 but it only has linuxthreads in it |
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| 15:24.23 | CosmicPenguin | more fire alarms |
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| 15:39.44 | solar | sjhill: just the man I wanted to bump into. |
| 15:40.59 | solar | sjhill: vda was just mailing me a thread about uclibc being in a stalled state. Anything needed to get your NTPL branch merged into trunk? |
| 16:10.02 | kergoth | morning |
| 16:13.06 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: morning |
| 16:13.17 | Lars_G | Morning |
| 16:13.19 | insearchof | kergoth: Good morning |
| 16:13.32 | g1powermac_PB | heya Lars_G and kergoth |
| 16:16.30 | sjhill | solar: lots of testing |
| 16:16.41 | sjhill | currently the NPTL has MIPS broken |
| 16:16.45 | sjhill | SH4 works only |
| 16:17.22 | sjhill | with all the stuff Carmelo has ben doing, i need to spool up again and finish my merge with his |
| 16:17.23 | solar | would of been eaiser to merge with 0.9.28 ? |
| 16:17.26 | sjhill | then bring ARM in |
| 16:17.37 | sjhill | solar: yeah, probably |
| 16:18.16 | solar | cuz thats sorta what he was mailing me about. For gentoo vs marching fwd with 0.9.29 (which is buggy for other reason) we opted to stay .28.3 |
| 16:18.24 | solar | and backport vital things |
| 16:19.39 | sjhill | i've been lazy and coveting my nights, but i think i need to sacrifice for the community and finish the NPTL merging and testing so we can all move forward |
| 16:19.51 | solar | sjhill: think it would be eaiser to ask Carmelo tpo merge the branch with trunk first. Let him do most of the leg work of merging. Then you follow up with mips? |
| 16:19.51 | sjhill | buildroot releases too |
| 16:20.51 | sjhill | perhaps |
| 16:21.01 | sjhill | i think he's on a week long holiday |
| 16:22.05 | solar | I'm not git guru/fan boy. But this sounds like one of those times it would come in quite handy |
| 16:23.30 | sjhill | cm system matters not |
| 16:23.41 | sjhill | regressions are the problem |
| 16:23.59 | sjhill | when he checked his SuperH stuff into the NPTL branch, it immediately broke MIPS |
| 16:24.10 | sjhill | wouldn't have mattered if it was svn or git |
| 16:27.50 | solar | oh |
| 16:31.21 | sjhill | until NPTL is completely merged into trunk and we do another release, forget this **** about cm systems, i'm getting tired of it |
| 16:32.36 | kergoth | somewhat OT, but has anyone used or have access to a linux box with serial attached scsi devices attached, by chance? |
| 16:32.58 | sjhill | yes, i have one |
| 16:33.12 | sjhill | big fricking beast here at work |
| 16:33.20 | sjhill | luckily it's mine to control |
| 16:33.46 | kergoth | ahh nice. do you know what the scsi id is set to in the scsi_device? Id: out in /proc? sas doesnt actually have ids, do they? other than that identifier dealy |
| 16:35.03 | sjhill | hold on |
| 16:35.26 | kergoth | k, thanks. /me is wading through the kernel code in the meantime, but that scsi code is something of a maze |
| 16:35.41 | sjhill | uh |
| 16:35.47 | sjhill | what would you like me to cat out for you? |
| 16:36.13 | sjhill | ls /proc/scsi |
| 16:36.27 | sjhill | device_info mptsas scsi sg |
| 16:36.39 | sjhill | cat scsi |
| 16:36.47 | sjhill | Attached devices: |
| 16:36.47 | sjhill | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: HP Model: Ultrium 2-SCSI Rev: T23D Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 |
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| 16:37.09 | sjhill | cat mptsas/0 |
| 16:37.13 | sjhill | ioc0: LSISAS1068, FwRev=01101e00h, Ports=1, MaxQ=511 |
| 16:37.20 | sjhill | kergoth: not sure that helps or not |
| 16:37.22 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 16:37.23 | kergoth | ah, right. Id: 00. makes sense. thanks |
| 16:37.52 | sjhill | sure |
| 16:42.24 | kergoth | wonders if sas devices always have an id of 0.. have a customer trying to use an old sgdefects app that expects to use the id to find the path to the sg device in devfs, with an sas device |
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| 17:14.00 | prpplague | sjhill: greetings |
| 17:14.06 | prpplague | sjhill: getting dried out? |
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| 17:43.43 | insearchof | kergoth: you around? |
| 17:43.58 | kergoth | somewhat |
| 17:44.01 | kergoth | whats up |
| 17:44.11 | insearchof | hey I know you said you worked with OZ |
| 17:44.30 | insearchof | have you had any experience with YAFFS/2 |
| 17:47.16 | kergoth | fraid not, the only flash filesystem i used was jffs2 |
| 17:47.36 | kergoth | well, and cramfs/squashfs/etc of course, but thats no help either :) |
| 17:47.47 | ds2 | yaffs! |
| 17:47.56 | chouimat|work | YAFFS? Yet Another F* Filesystem? |
| 17:48.21 | ds2 | yeah ;) |
| 17:53.05 | sjhill | prpplague: yes |
| 17:53.15 | sjhill | prpplague: we may actually be able to move furniture back in this weekend |
| 17:53.43 | sjhill | chouimat|work: yup |
| 17:56.04 | prpplague | sjhill: fun fun |
| 17:56.36 | prpplague | sjhill: i expect the boss lady was none to happy about having her house a mess, hehe |
| 17:57.32 | prpplague | nand flash is soooo much fun |
| 17:57.47 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 17:58.00 | T0mW | prpplague: yessir? |
| 17:58.26 | prpplague | T0mW: did you tell me that you were loading your kernel from sd card via apex, or just from the nor flash? |
| 17:58.37 | prpplague | T0mW: i know you were using the sd card for root |
| 17:59.16 | T0mW | prpplague: no, I load the kernel from Flash using apex. Then apex passes a command line to the kernel which tells it that root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 17:59.53 | prpplague | T0mW: i think i'm going to see about adding some spi sd/mmc support to apex |
| 18:00.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Thumb Drive could be rootfs also. |
| 18:01.05 | T0mW | prpplague: CONFIG_ENV_DEFAULT_CMDLINE="mem=64M root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 console=ttySAC0,115200n8 panic=30 rootdelay=5" |
| 18:01.23 | T0mW | prpplague: that is for another board, 32M in your case |
| 18:02.17 | T0mW | prpplague: in apex, turn off: Copy ramdisk to RAM at startup (ENV_STARTUP_RAMDISK_COPY) |
| 18:02.49 | T0mW | prpplague: turn on: Override the target default kernel command line (ENV_DEFAULT_CMDLINE_OVERRIDE) |
| 18:03.05 | T0mW | then you will boot from the sd card |
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| 18:04.45 | T0mW | prpplague: I tested the 2.6.25 enc28j60 driver against another board. It is fine. Looks like the HammerLCD is getting noise on the traces between the magnetic and the enc28j60 |
| 18:07.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i have the sd card booting for rootfs with no problems |
| 18:08.47 | prpplague | T0mW: i was thinking about adding the support to apex so i could load initrd and kernel images from sd card |
| 18:09.26 | sjhill | prpplague: how'd you guess? |
| 18:09.30 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 18:09.40 | sjhill | prpplague: yeah, women in general stress about that |
| 18:09.41 | T0mW | prpplague: I looked at that and saw that it would take a fair amount of time to do, I decided it wasn't that important for now. |
| 18:10.10 | prpplague | T0mW: actually i have most of the work already done, i'd started on it back when i was doing some lh79520 stuff |
| 18:10.18 | T0mW | :) |
| 18:10.51 | T0mW | prpplague: it certainly would be great to be able to boot from the kernel on the SD card. |
| 18:11.04 | T0mW | adds his vote |
| 18:12.45 | RobotGuy | addes his vote too |
| 18:12.58 | RobotGuy | For whatever it's worth. |
| 18:13.18 | RobotGuy | Is there a limitation on the SD card size? |
| 18:15.43 | g1powermac | note to self: make sure the food I'm eating is completely on my desk. . . |
| 18:16.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: for apex? |
| 18:16.45 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I guess. In general. |
| 18:16.54 | g1powermac | got a lap full of home made pumpkin pudding. . . |
| 18:17.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm not aware of any limitation in the linux kernel |
| 18:17.20 | RobotGuy | Good |
| 18:17.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: as to apex, i'd have to look at my code, but i suspect its good up to atleast 512mb |
| 18:17.57 | RobotGuy | I am guessing a thumb drive would be faster than SPI MMC, right? |
| 18:18.25 | prpplague | although it would be easier if the kernel and initramdisk image were in a partition less than 32mb |
| 18:18.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: generally yes |
| 18:19.22 | RobotGuy | still wishes for more RAM and Flash. |
| 18:19.29 | solar | whats wrong with using an initrd on the chip to switch_root to the firmware on the SD if it exists? |
| 18:19.43 | solar | more ram yes. 256M mod would be nice to see |
| 18:20.54 | RobotGuy | solar: My dream is of a 400 MHz S3C2440A with at least 128/128 RAM/Flash, and all peripherals exposed. :) |
| 18:21.10 | solar | thats the 926T ? |
| 18:21.19 | RobotGuy | hates how slow the camera in his phone is |
| 18:21.25 | RobotGuy | No, still 920T |
| 18:22.05 | solar | python is a pig resource wise for the robot? |
| 18:22.07 | RobotGuy | solar: The S3C2440A has a built in camera interface up to 2 MPixel (if I remember right). |
| 18:22.13 | solar | actually it is. |
| 18:22.17 | solar | I have a patch for you. sec |
| 18:22.37 | RobotGuy | solar: No, not at all for Python. But I need to add more Python stuff, which takes more space. |
| 18:23.19 | RobotGuy | I would like to be able to have everything I need in Flash. |
| 18:23.54 | RobotGuy | PyRo is a pig because it requires other stuff like Player/Stage. |
| 18:24.33 | RobotGuy | Well, Player at least. It shouldn't require Stage. |
| 18:24.50 | prpplague | solar: mainly i just want it as an easy way to program the flash |
| 18:25.08 | solar | RobotGuy: http://rafb.net/p/hhP3Me11.txt (export the variable. delete all your .pyo/.pyc files) |
| 18:26.41 | RobotGuy | solar: Why do I want to delete all the .pyc files? |
| 18:26.49 | solar | prpplague: do you have a newer branch you are using? I got a patch from robot-guy but it looks limited to the hammer only. |
| 18:27.13 | RobotGuy | solar: It is. |
| 18:27.13 | solar | RobotGuy: space and to make sure they don't go stale on a ro-fs. |
| 18:27.15 | prpplague | solar: for what app? |
| 18:27.32 | solar | prpplague: Hammer/Nail (kernel patch) |
| 18:28.34 | prpplague | solar: 2.6.25 has the core hammer support, just that the machine init file doesn't have all the extra features enabled |
| 18:28.53 | solar | the mach-tct-hammer.c file? |
| 18:29.02 | prpplague | solar: you can easily add everything except the buzzer |
| 18:29.03 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 18:29.42 | prpplague | solar: i'll have some time monday afternoon, i had planned to do a small patch against 2.6.25 for the extra features |
| 18:30.05 | solar | unless it depends on the enc28j60 driver that slipped into the hammer patch it should be pretty simple to even keep the buzzer code unless I'm mistaken |
| 18:30.56 | prpplague | solar: yea, the leds and push button drivers are already in the kernel, so no need for patches against them, the buzzer is the only one i really hacked up |
| 18:31.50 | RobotGuy | I get too confused about all this stuff. Maybe i just need to do something else. :( |
| 18:32.11 | solar | oh FYI. 2.6.25 has broken EABI/OABI compat. |
| 18:32.21 | prpplague | solar: AHH |
| 18:33.01 | ds2 | OABI_COMPAT is broq in all versions... just different extents |
| 18:33.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its just a list of items you want to have on your system |
| 18:34.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: have you looked at the sample kernel drivers stuff on the wiki? |
| 18:40.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What about what I want on my system? I don't understand your comment. |
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| 18:40.35 | RobotGuy | I can't look at anything right now. My head hurts. :( |
| 18:40.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: think of it this way |
| 18:41.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the machine file is kind of like software-wires |
| 18:41.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: basically you are connection the kernel drivers to physical devices |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | static struct s3c24xx_led_platdata tct_hammer_pdata_led1 = { |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | .gpio= S3C2410_GPH0, |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | .flags= S3C24XX_LEDF_ACTLOW | S3C24XX_LEDF_TRISTATE, |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | .name= "led1", |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | .def_trigger= "timer", |
| 18:42.08 | prpplague | }; |
| 18:42.50 | prpplague | you are basically tell the kernel to connect the LED driver with the physical gpio GPH0 |
| 18:44.02 | prpplague | the LED driver has no clue if you are connecting it to a s3c2410 gpio, x86 parallel port, FPGA, or cpld |
| 18:44.02 | prpplague | the functionality is exactly the same |
| 18:44.06 | RobotGuy | I don't understand or know all the things you know about this stuff. I understand the softt connection idea though. |
| 18:45.17 | solar | prpplague: just got word back from vda(busybox maintainer) about devmem inclusion to bb. He proposes a new applet. Mind taking a quick peek? http://rafb.net/p/0eUU3J37.txt and http://linbsd.net/~solar/8.patch |
| 18:45.34 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:45.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll try to think of a better way to explain it |
| 18:46.55 | prpplague | solar: hmm |
| 18:47.11 | ds2 | RobotGuy: that peice of code tells the driver, named "led1" to use the resources listed |
| 18:47.14 | prpplague | solar: i can see his points as being made from a software persons vantage |
| 18:47.23 | prpplague | solar: but those features are there for a reason |
| 18:48.21 | prpplague | solar: i'll have to test it on monday |
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| 18:52.40 | solar | ok. I'll mail him back |
| 18:57.55 | prpplague | solar: the primary reason for that information is so can check the status of before and after, for instance, many times if a registers is related a multifunction gpio, you can write to the register, but the write will not take effect |
| 18:58.21 | prpplague | solar: so you can see what the value is before, what you intend it to be, and what the result was |
| 18:58.40 | prpplague | solar: otherwise you will indeed have to run the command three times |
| 18:59.29 | prpplague | solar: maybe a flag can be used on compilation |
| 19:03.22 | prpplague | solar: hmm, that patch url, you sure thats the correct? |
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| 19:05.39 | solar | prpplague: correct in what terms? |
| 19:06.08 | prpplague | solar: i would have corrected the issues he pointed out |
| 19:06.22 | CosmicPenguin | Got back from lunch, my keyboard didn't work |
| 19:06.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh |
| 19:06.28 | CosmicPenguin | heres the kicker - its a PS/2 |
| 19:07.04 | prpplague | doh |
| 19:08.06 | prpplague | solar: or is it that he was just questioning those items at the momment and not changing them? |
| 19:10.02 | prpplague | solar: that patch looks good |
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| 19:16.48 | solar | prpplague: but you still need the readback? |
| 19:19.35 | prpplague | solar: yea i'd still prefer to have the readback |
| 19:19.47 | prpplague | solar: buts that just me |
| 19:23.16 | insearchof | g1powermac: You should be proud of me... I got a mac! |
| 19:24.16 | g1powermac | insearchof, hah, cool :-) |
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| 19:24.37 | insearchof | I have a powerpook g4, found it at work laying around |
| 19:24.49 | insearchof | im getting rid of MacOSX though |
| 19:24.55 | insearchof | installing ubuntu on it |
| 19:28.18 | g1powermac | insearchof, dual boot |
| 19:28.38 | g1powermac | having mac os x is nice at times |
| 19:28.52 | g1powermac | dual boots his powerbook with debian |
| 19:28.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you decided on going to LPC yet? |
| 19:29.18 | insearchof | well I'm not a mac osx fan |
| 19:29.31 | insearchof | plus I'm running 10.3 |
| 19:29.34 | insearchof | I think 10.3 |
| 19:29.39 | insearchof | or mabe 10.4 |
| 19:29.51 | g1powermac | thats what I'm running on my pb |
| 19:29.55 | g1powermac | 10.3 |
| 19:29.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I need permission |
| 19:30.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I have decided I want to go |
| 19:31.33 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 19:33.59 | Crofton | LPC? |
| 19:35.19 | prpplague | linux plumbers conference |
| 19:36.12 | insearchof | OOO... I sure do love plumbing... I dont know about the linux thing though... |
| 19:36.17 | kergoth | plumbers? |
| 19:37.22 | prpplague | kergoth: you know, similiar to the linux janitors |
| 19:37.30 | kergoth | ahh |
| 19:38.01 | prpplague | kergoth: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9019399632.html |
| 19:41.09 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:41.11 | prpplague | "presenting a reasonable solution to a well-known or little-recognized problem," |
| 19:41.29 | prpplague | kind of a redundant statement |
| 19:41.55 | prpplague | "presenting a reasonable solution to a unique problem" would be better |
| 19:47.47 | prpplague | Crofton: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/ehall//SN991736/exhibitorinfo//QMONYB00EWON |
| 19:56.09 | prpplague | Crofton: not sure if sakoman realizes that i work with tincantools |
| 19:58.27 | Crofton | I doubt either of you plans to discuss top secret business dealing in a public irc channel :) |
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| 20:29.01 | prpplague | Crofton: indeed |
| 20:29.13 | prpplague | Crofton: not much top secret about TCT |
| 20:37.47 | solar | good. then tell us about any new planned products |
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| 20:38.41 | prpplague | solar: probably looking at a small lcd configuration for the hammer, as well as a small web server board |
| 20:38.59 | prpplague | solar: we are still holding off on the sledge hammer |
| 20:39.17 | solar | SMP S3C2440A w/ extendable mem modules. :) |
| 20:40.13 | prpplague | solar: flash or sdram? |
| 20:41.16 | solar | minisd might be nice. Built in (nor?) flash right now is pretty perfect w lots of free space. |
| 20:42.12 | prpplague | sorry what i meant was you said "extendable mem modules" that for sdram or for flash? |
| 20:42.41 | solar | oh sorry. sdram |
| 20:42.55 | solar | leaving headers for a GM862 would be handy |
| 20:42.56 | prpplague | solar: yea that gets pricy with modules |
| 20:43.20 | prpplague | solar: hehe still wanting a phone? |
| 20:43.35 | solar | prpplague: to take something like a nail from 32 to 256M would cost more than $50? |
| 20:43.55 | prpplague | solar: yea for the nail |
| 20:44.02 | prpplague | solar: nail/hammer |
| 20:44.13 | solar | prpplague: yes. I've found the limitation with GPE and phones. It really wants something closer to a 400mhz |
| 20:44.16 | prpplague | solar: we could do something like the sledge |
| 20:44.56 | prpplague | solar: the jack-hammer is a 2440 and can have up to 256/256 onboard |
| 20:46.44 | ds2 | make a OMAP3 "Steam Hammer"! |
| 20:46.52 | solar | heh |
| 20:47.12 | solar | prpplague: is the 'sledge' a new planned product anyway? |
| 20:47.24 | ds2 | as a miniproduct, make a CPU carrier board for the OMAP3 so the carrier board can be made into a watch ;) |
| 20:47.35 | prpplague | solar: well the sledge is actually already done |
| 20:47.46 | prpplague | solar: just trying to decide on putting it out there |
| 20:48.23 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 20:48.29 | solar | bigger than the nail but smaller than the |
| 20:48.33 | solar | oh.. sec looking |
| 20:50.36 | solar | can such a board be folded in half? Be done with mini or micro sd.. So it fits in a 2x2 space |
| 20:51.52 | solar | robbat2 has one of these. It's quite useful and quite small. http://www.presheva.com/hi-tech/tea_cube.jpg |
| 20:51.59 | prpplague | solar: thats the jack-hammer |
| 20:54.13 | prpplague | looks for a picture of the jackhammer |
| 21:00.29 | prpplague | solar: http://www.elinux.org/JackHammer_Board |
| 21:03.46 | solar | what is that on the bottom? A connector of sorts? |
| 21:04.17 | prpplague | solar: yea two hi density molex connectors |
| 21:04.43 | prpplague | get another pic |
| 21:06.03 | prpplague | solar: refresh the page |
| 21:11.18 | prpplague | solar: the jack is a good little board |
| 21:11.37 | solar | looks handy. |
| 21:11.37 | prpplague | solar: very versatile |
| 21:11.56 | solar | searching for that connector is not yeilding the results I want |
| 21:12.13 | prpplague | solar: what kind of info do you need? |
| 21:12.46 | prpplague | solar: 80-pins on each one |
| 21:13.09 | prpplague | we'd have to do some sort of prototype carrier board |
| 21:13.19 | prpplague | the pitch isn't easy for hobbists |
| 21:13.25 | solar | thats what I was wondering. |
| 21:13.33 | solar | cuz it looks like a daughter board almost |
| 21:14.26 | prpplague | solar: yea, we'd have a small pcb that is the same size as the cpu board, with a bunch of .1" center solder points |
| 21:17.58 | solar | how many gpio pins would this thing be providing? |
| 21:18.15 | prpplague | looks at the schematic |
| 21:19.23 | solar | http://www.embeddedarm.com has sokme TS7xxx that has quite a few more than most boards. It seems to be liked cuz of that. |
| 21:19.30 | prpplague | solar: depending on how you configure it in software, but up to around 130 or so |
| 21:19.48 | solar | which would be quite a few more than then TS7xxx |
| 21:21.00 | prpplague | yea looks to be right at about 131 |
| 21:21.03 | solar | 110 GPIO (86 as a PC/104 bus) |
| 21:21.18 | prpplague | but again it all depends on how you configure it |
| 21:21.24 | solar | usb and the likes? |
| 21:21.35 | ds2 | what's all those GPIOs for? |
| 21:21.45 | prpplague | if you are using a 24bit lcd thats gonna drop it by 28 |
| 21:21.57 | prpplague | ds2: they are all multifunction lines |
| 21:22.54 | prpplague | solar: the USB lines are dedicated as well as some of he ADC lines |
| 21:23.17 | prpplague | solar: but all of the others generally have atleast 2 other functions besides gpio |
| 21:25.25 | prpplague | solar: that also includes the camera interface |
| 21:25.47 | solar | the jack-hammer? |
| 21:25.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:26.28 | solar | add some wheels and an remote |
| 21:27.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:27.55 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668 |
| 21:38.10 | solar | oh thats pretty cool |
| 21:38.20 | solar | are you thinking to have this mounted to the carrier board? |
| 21:43.15 | prpplague | solar: yea ,with a small lcd |
| 21:43.19 | prpplague | 320x240 |
| 21:44.33 | solar | cept for the width.. thats pretty much the basis of my 'ideal phone' |
| 21:52.21 | prpplague | solar: width of the cpu board or for the lcd? |
| 21:59.45 | solar | the board looks a little to wide when you picture it with some case to be ideal fit in ones hand. |
| 22:00.02 | solar | about as wide as the PDA's of yesteryear |
| 22:00.34 | prpplague | solar: its about as wide as a standard cell phone |
| 22:00.46 | prpplague | will measure when he gets home |
| 22:01.12 | solar | 2" x 2.5" <-- guess that is pretty narrow |
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| 22:34.03 | prpplague | solar 2" wide is about the size of the average cell phone |
| 22:44.58 | solar | how many weeks/months is it till that one out might be expected to show up on the www.tct ? |
| 22:46.12 | prpplague | solar we've been holding off on production untill we see if there is a demand for stuff like the hammer |
| 22:46.21 | prpplague | solar i have about 20+ of the first rev |
| 22:46.47 | prpplague | solar not sure if you heard all the history behind TCT |
| 22:47.11 | prpplague | solar AML does alot of contract and design work, we often do a dev board for testing and such for contract |
| 22:47.22 | prpplague | solar we get to keep that design free and clear |
| 22:47.44 | prpplague | solar so we have about 10 to 15 designs available to use at any one time |
| 22:48.11 | prpplague | solar the owner of AML decided he'd like to market some of these designs that are sitting on the shelf after we are done with them at AML |
| 22:53.29 | prpplague | solar you real bent on getting a home brew phone |
| 22:53.31 | solar | pretty cool setup |
| 22:54.17 | solar | prpplague: the hardware is worth about $400-$600 to me |
| 22:54.54 | prpplague | solar well if you want to tinker and come up with a set of parts, i can probably swing you a jack hammer for eval |
| 22:55.07 | prpplague | solar i had planned on bringing one to lwe |
| 22:55.27 | solar | I really have to sit down and comb over what all in OM's repos. |
| 22:56.02 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:56.08 | solar | GPE was designed for PDA's more than CellPhones and OM is the only one who seems to be semi working upon the GPE idea to make a decent UI |
| 22:56.18 | solar | for Cells |
| 22:56.23 | prpplague | solar just a note, rev 2 of the neo is the exact same processor as the jack |
| 22:56.57 | solar | yep |
| 22:57.04 | prpplague | hehe, this dashytesong cracks me up every time |
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| 22:57.46 | prpplague | had a funny recollection |
| 22:57.50 | solar | OM is nearly perfect. It's simply the lack of a hardware keybd that kills it for me. |
| 22:58.13 | solar | trying to debug @console with a touchscreen only is not very fun |
| 22:58.18 | prpplague | solar one time about 5 years ago, i was trying to get gentoo on an dual opteron system |
| 22:58.28 | prpplague | solar cussed gentoo up and down |
| 22:58.39 | solar | I could see that |
| 22:58.40 | prpplague | solar turns out the system had some bad ram |
| 22:59.09 | prpplague | almost forgot all about that |
| 22:59.09 | solar | I think all the livecd's have been shipping with memtest86+ on them for a long time |
| 22:59.41 | prpplague | solar yea took me like 5 installs before i ran memtest |
| 23:01.04 | solar | it works good for me cuz it's my desktop and embedded devel environment.. |
| 23:01.23 | prpplague | is an old redhat person |
| 23:02.21 | solar | http://rafb.net/p/GH6aAY48.html toolchain nicely integrated and with a few wrappers. I get exactly what I want. |
| 23:02.48 | prpplague | i must be one of the lamest persons on the planet, i got such a rush seeing this new board boot from nand flash with all the code i'd writen |
| 23:03.07 | prpplague | oh wow nice |
| 23:03.08 | CosmicPenguin | heh - we all get that |
| 23:05.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin hehe, you know things at AML haven't been all that dandy lately, and today when i was checking in all my openocd and bootload code, i had the worst the temptation to put in the changelog "Dave Anders made this F'n work!" |
| 23:05.30 | CosmicPenguin | you should have done it |
| 23:06.08 | prpplague | oh and get this, our glorious EE didn't even show up for work today |
| 23:06.17 | solar | prpplague: when things are setup right. It's about this easy to cross compile. http://rafb.net/p/9wcRfl57.txt |
| 23:06.55 | prpplague | solar wow that is nice |
| 23:07.03 | prpplague | solar might have to try gentoo again |
| 23:07.08 | prpplague | solar been a year or two |
| 23:08.06 | solar | then there are times where it's a PITA. Just like any/every distro |
| 23:08.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 23:08.19 | prpplague | s/distro/woman |
| 23:08.40 | solar | touche |
| 23:08.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:09.34 | prpplague | is trying to chill after really long week |
| 23:10.05 | prpplague | completely worn out |
| 23:10.12 | solar | it's a 100F out here today. I think I want to chill inside with the AC |
| 23:10.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:10.37 | solar | been a 100+ in texas for a while? |
| 23:10.58 | prpplague | upper 90's |
| 23:11.18 | prpplague | we've had a bunch of storms in the last couple weeks keeping the temp low |
| 23:13.05 | kergoth | phoenix has had a "Excessive heat" advisory all week |
| 23:13.16 | kergoth | regularly 110+, think we've hit as high as 114 so far |
| 23:13.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:13.40 | prpplague | kergoth fry eggs on the car |
| 23:13.52 | kergoth | i'm sure you could |
| 23:14.05 | kergoth | my poor car's thermometer often thinks its 130+ when i get in at the end of the day |
| 23:22.21 | solar | yikes |
| 23:24.30 | kergoth | its funny, as soon as it started hitting 110+, like 3 of us at th eoffice had our ac go out :P |
| 23:27.29 | prpplague | kergoth doh |
