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12:22.24minti_hi all , i am doing sample edje program  with theme.edc file . I define background image  for edje object in .edc file  . Now i hv ecanvs on which edjeobject with background., but when i resize the canvas the  backgroung image is cliped , i want that the image should be fit into the canvas as per change  of canvas hw could it be possible ?
12:22.43minti_does i need to use some container ?
12:54.35ali_asI have no idea what any of that is, sure you have the right channel?
12:54.54mbufminti_, you are in the wrong channel
13:02.52SpeedEvilthis is for development and hacking of small electronic devices with microcontrollers in
13:04.27minti_mbuf: #e people suggest me  to ask here :)
13:05.17mbufminti_, you didn't read the topic?
13:08.52SpeedEvilstabs stupid people in #e
13:08.52minti_mbuf: SpeedEvil : ya i was wrong , i suppose to join  #develop  :)  Thank  You
13:09.27SpeedEvilBye.
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16:11.09prpplaguejeeze, we are getting flooded with people wanting to use the hammer/nail with windows
16:11.27T0mWLOL
16:11.35T0mWWTF for?
16:11.45SpeedEvilyou mean with windows dev environment? Or the nightmare?
16:12.09prpplagueno idea, "hi i just purchased the hammer kit, but there is no windows information on the cd, just linux"
16:12.16T0mWyou are going to have to come up with a WinCE BSP ?
16:12.16SpeedEvil...
16:12.17prpplaguedev environment
16:12.18solarprpplague: seems a little hard w/o even a touchscreen to be able to use the nail at all
16:12.38solarw/ windows ^
16:12.48prpplagueno, they just want to build the tools and program the device from windows
16:13.01SpeedEvilProbably the 'easiest' solution is a VM.
16:13.27solarSpeedEvil: under windows? Do they have a qemu alike emul ?
16:13.36SpeedEvilvmware or something
16:13.37prpplagueSpeedEvil well yagarto does a good job
16:13.48prpplagueSpeedEvil just that we don't have any docs on how to use it
16:13.48solarvmware is x86* last I knew
16:13.59solarcan it emul other arches now?
16:14.34prpplaguehttp://www.yagarto.de/index.html
16:15.56solarhas been trying to get auto mounting and auto umounting of SD cards working on the nail using just mdev
16:16.23solars/SD Cards/USB Media/
16:17.36prpplaguesolar oh? i've not had much need for that, troublesome?
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16:17.59prpplaguewhich reminds me, i need to write up a sd card doc for the nail board
16:18.07prpplagueRobotGuy greetings
16:18.15RobotGuyprpplague: G'Morning
16:18.58agaffneyso....they want to develop for linux....from windows?
16:19.02agaffneyare these people retarded?
16:20.02prpplagueagaffney not really sure, it just seems alot of people who are purchasing the units think of it in the same way the parallax stamps
16:20.17prpplagueagaffney they just want to do the dev, and not worry about which OS they are using to do the dev
16:20.21RobotGuyprpplague: What is that?
16:20.35solarprpplague: yes sure. If you plug something in. It seems silly to go have to mount it manually. Or if something gets yanked. It seems like it should be umounted.
16:20.49solarprpplague: what I was trying to hack together last night http://rafb.net/p/nBSOgB25.html
16:21.34prpplaguesolar agreed for most people automount is something they need
16:21.39prpplaguelooks
16:21.50prpplagueRobotGuy people wanting to dev for the hammer using windows
16:22.14RobotGuyprpplague: That just doesn't seem right.
16:22.20solarledctl is just a little program I slapped together to control each of the leds on the nail
16:22.26prpplaguesolar interesting, how well does itw work?
16:22.40solarprpplague: about 50% ok so far
16:22.59prpplaguesolar got the source for that posted? ledctl that is
16:22.59solarthink I might be dealing with a bug with mdev
16:23.18solarprpplague: It's not posted public. I could post it.
16:23.30RobotGuysolar: Are you going to be at the Linux Plumber's Conference in September?
16:23.32prpplaguesolar might be nice to look at
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16:23.48solarprpplague: it's generic and meant to be portable to other devices. Very. It uses the /sys interface only.
16:23.57prpplaguesolar c or shell?
16:23.59solarprpplague: I'm not quite done coding it. But.
16:24.01solarc
16:24.03prpplagueahh
16:24.09RobotGuysolar: And greetings to you. :)
16:24.18prpplaguenone the less might be nice to see it on the wiki with the leds stuff
16:24.49solarprpplague: http://rafb.net/p/o5TDYs44.txt
16:24.55prpplaguesolar still want the writeup on the sd card with the nail right?
16:25.38solarprpplague: I have these left over pins on the nail. I should do something with them I figure for the LWE demo
16:25.54prpplaguesolar great, i'll write up some info on the ledctl and post it
16:25.59solaropen to any idea which requires me to spend <=$100 on parts
16:26.17RobotGuysolar: How many pins do you have left to play with?
16:26.22prpplaguesolar the 2x10 header has enough i/o to do all kinds of stuff
16:26.23RobotGuyGPIOs?
16:26.24solarRobotGuy: all of them
16:26.38RobotGuysolar: Got a display attached?
16:26.39prpplaguesolar not all of the pins are available
16:26.52solarRobotGuy: No.
16:26.56prpplaguesolar you have a few for the push buttons and the leds ofcourse
16:27.13prpplaguesolar and you have 4 gpios connected to the ft2232 chipset
16:27.51RobotGuyprpplague: Is any code change necessary to support a display like shown in that picture of the Naol?
16:27.53RobotGuyNail
16:28.13prpplagueRobotGuy there are always code changes nessary
16:28.35RobotGuyprpplague: Kernel or other?
16:29.07solarpush button 2 is unmapped right?
16:29.50prpplaguesolar correct, the default machine file doesn't have it mapped
16:29.54prpplaguesolar http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=849
16:30.18prpplaguesolar add that to your nail and you can hold it like a lightsaber to make noises on your host pc
16:30.55prpplaguesolar http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8709
16:30.57solarhaha that would be funny with a few high powered leds
16:31.01prpplagueadd that to do rfid
16:31.45solarwait a sec. Is it really that simple.
16:31.52prpplaguehttp://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=245
16:31.56prpplaguefor temp
16:32.17RobotGuyI have a few of those.
16:32.23solarI could add the product from 8709. Say hold my key badge card that gets me into my condo/work etc.. Say read it. Then pretend I'm that device?
16:34.04prpplagueyea thats possible
16:36.03solarwhich touchscreen models are known to work?
16:36.41solaroh I busted out a tape measurer.. The size of the jackhammer would be perfect as a base for a real phone
16:36.59prpplagueRobotGuy http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8538
16:37.37prpplaguesolar sorry, did not understand the question about touchscreen
16:39.02RobotGuyprpplague: That's really nice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHvGFEPIf5E&feature=related
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16:42.21prpplaguecute
16:42.26prpplagueits pretty pricy though
16:46.03RobotGuyprpplague: You talking about that display? If so, it's within my budget and worthwhile if it is very easy to use.
16:47.39prpplagueyea its just a serial port
16:48.40prpplaguehas to run to the grocery story
16:48.46prpplaguebb in about 10 minutes
16:49.53solarso this might be a stupid question. But I saw some references to SMP+ARM back in 2005. But it seems to have died off. Anybody know any fundamental reasons why we don't really see it done?
17:02.24roxfanthere are mpcore chips but they seem to be pretty rare
17:03.06roxfanarm+dsp stuff like TI makes looks to be more common
17:11.52prpplaguereturns
17:12.22prpplaguesolar mainly because it didn't make much sense
17:12.48prpplaguesolar there have been some flurtations with using ARM on the desktop and in laptops
17:12.57prpplaguesolar which is where the smp arm was targeted
17:13.29prpplaguesolar but with companies doing super low power chipsets like via,st, and amd
17:13.47prpplaguesolar most arm producers decided to not invest the time/money in it
17:14.08prpplaguesolar most are targeting dual core devices with things like ARM+DSP
17:14.34prpplaguesolar marvell has been tinkering with dual core devices which actuall has two ARM cores, but not in smp configuration
17:15.05prpplaguesolar 1 arm core is the OS the other arm is used for dedicated operations such as 802.11 baseband
17:15.32prpplaguesolar this allows products to have completely seperate products in the same silicon
17:15.51prpplaguei.e. no source code conflicts, GPL on one core, proprietary on the other
17:16.49prpplaguesolar what kind of demo have you got planned for LWE using the nail?
17:19.14RobotGuyHas anyone looked at the Pandora?  http://openpandora.org
17:19.39RobotGuyIt uses a TI OMAP3430
17:20.07prpplagueRobotGuy it hasn't been released yet, there are several prototypes made
17:20.15RobotGuyprpplague: I know.
17:20.33RobotGuyDevelopment boards are being released now.
17:20.48RobotGuyThey are adding Bluetooth also.
17:21.52solarprpplague: ok. Here is the updated version. http://rafb.net/p/jxMLGm90.html
17:22.16solarnice thing about it. Is it's generic imo. So I should be able to use it with other projects.
17:23.49prpplaguesolar nice
17:23.50solarledctl 0 ; turn all leds off; ledctl 1 turns them all on. otherwise you control them one at a time.
17:24.17prpplagueRobotGuy basically its the same core as the beagle board
17:24.45prpplagueRobotGuy main problem right now, only the supper high end jtag devices support cortex-a8
17:24.52prpplagueRobotGuy it needs to be added to openocd
17:24.59RobotGuyprpplague: Like? Dislike? With respect to Pandora.
17:25.04prpplaguewhich reminds me
17:25.06prpplaguedrath ping
17:25.09prpplaguedrath ping
17:25.28prpplagueRobotGuy it looks interesting
17:25.41prpplagueRobotGuy i've been talking to mr.herod about doing an omap board
17:26.11prpplagueholy @$#%@#$% - http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.hackaday.com/media/2008/06/had_receipt.jpg
17:26.15solarSo before I spend an hour or two.. There is no git/svn tree I should pull from before diving into fwd porting features from .22 to .25 for the nail ?
17:26.32RobotGuyprpplague: Ahhhh, interesting.  OMAP 3440.  Top of the line. :D
17:28.10RobotGuyOne step closer to universal ID.
17:28.53prpplaguesolar just grab the 2.6.25 from kernel.org, it has everything you need with expection of the buzzer driver
17:29.18RobotGuyI have built 2.6.25.7 without problems.
17:29.33RobotGuyI can't say if it works or not on Hammer/Nail though.
17:30.33prpplaguesolar i can do a patch on monday if you want
17:31.48prpplaguesolar what? no usage statement in ledsctl? hehe
17:32.08prpplaguejokes with solar
17:32.33RobotGuyhates having to sit around doing nothing
17:32.48prpplagueget to hacking
17:32.58RobotGuyprpplague: Can't.
17:33.10prpplagueRobotGuy why not?
17:33.30prpplagueRobotGuy oh btw, i thought of a good example for your machine init file
17:33.35RobotGuyprpplague: Can't concentrate.  When I try, my head hurts. :(
17:33.40prpplagueahh ok
17:34.02RobotGuyNothing I need to work will work for me. :(
17:34.09prpplagueRobotGuy if you're gonna smoke crack, be sure and buy the good stuff
17:34.34RobotGuyprpplague: Huh?
17:34.43prpplaguejokes with RobotGuy
17:34.56RobotGuyprpplague: Ah, OK. :P
17:35.03prpplague<RobotGuy> Nothing I need to work will work for me. :(
17:35.07RobotGuystill doesn't get it though.
17:35.08prpplagueisn't that what viagra is for?
17:35.43prpplaguejokes with RobotGuy
17:35.52RobotGuyI think my sense of humor has taken leave. :(
17:36.03prpplagueRobotGuy you ever get one of those automated messages on your answering machine?
17:36.14RobotGuyHead is hurting. :(
17:36.22RobotGuyprpplague: I hate those automated messages.
17:36.42prpplague"hello this message is for DALE, DALE please call credit card services today, thank you and have a nice day DALE"
17:36.56RobotGuyprpplague: My bank called one day and then told me they were having an increased call rate and to call back another time.  it was an automated message.
17:37.46prpplagueok so you know the message is recorded generically without any names, probably use something like "First Last" instead of the name
17:37.49RobotGuyprpplague: Or, hello, this message is for DALE, if this is not DALE, please press 1.  And that was on my VOICEMAIL.
17:37.56prpplagueRobotGuy right
17:38.01prpplagueRobotGuy follow me so far?
17:38.30RobotGuyI'm not tracking well today, sorry.
17:38.42prpplague"hello this message is for NAME, NAME please call credit card services today, thank you and have a nice day NAME"
17:38.44solarprpplague: sure I can add all that.
17:38.51RobotGuyOh, wait, forgot to take my morning medicine.
17:38.56solarright now. Just calling it would turn off all leds.
17:39.02solaror on. I forget
17:39.26prpplaguesolar might be helpful for newbies, just a nag item
17:39.38prpplaguesolar lately i've been bombarded with stuff for that
17:39.52prpplagueRobotGuy follow me so far?
17:40.33RobotGuyprpplague: I'm affraid you lost me, sorry.
17:41.16prpplagueRobotGuy the lady in the recording, she didn't record it with your name in the message, right? the computer substitued your name in the recording
17:41.34RobotGuyprpplague: Oh, yes, for sure.
17:41.49prpplagueok so it was recorded like this:
17:41.52prpplague"hello this message is for NAME, NAME please call credit card services today, thank you and have a nice day NAME"
17:42.16RobotGuyAnd NAME is just a flag to substitute my real name.
17:42.16prpplaguethen right befor the call is made, the computer substitues NAME with DALE
17:42.23prpplague"hello this message is for DALE, DALE please call credit card services today, thank you and have a nice day DALE"
17:42.58prpplagueok so..... the original recording using NAME is like the linux kernel drivers
17:43.18prpplagueand the computer that substitues the NAME with DALE is the machine init file
17:44.22prpplaguein the machine init file you are doing the same thing, for instance with the LEDs
17:44.38prpplaguethe LED driver says: "Please turn on the LED"
17:44.58prpplaguemachine init file then substitues LED for GPH0
17:44.59RobotGuyOK, following now.
17:45.13prpplaguewhich now says: "Please turn on the GPH0"
17:45.22RobotGuyAhhhh!  So that could be any GPIO.
17:45.32prpplagueexactly
17:45.53RobotGuyThat reminds me somewhat of OO.
17:46.00RobotGuyOOP
17:46.18RobotGuyConnecting objects.
17:46.31prpplagueso the machine init file is a list of substitutions
17:46.55RobotGuyThat is the mach-tct-hammer.c file, right?
17:47.21prpplaguecorrect
17:47.21prpplaguestatic struct s3c24xx_led_platdata tct_hammer_pdata_led0 = {
17:47.22prpplague.gpio= S3C2410_GPF0,
17:47.22prpplague.flags= S3C24XX_LEDF_ACTLOW | S3C24XX_LEDF_TRISTATE,
17:47.22prpplague.name= "led0",
17:47.22prpplague.def_trigger= "timer",
17:47.24prpplague};
17:47.30prpplagueops terrible paste
17:47.43RobotGuy~lart prpplague for disobeying his own pasting rule.
17:47.44purlblasts prpplague with a huge firehose then strangles prpplague with it for disobeying his own pasting rule.
17:47.59RobotGuyjokes with prpplague
17:48.02prpplaguethis says to use GPF0, that the led is active low, and that the name will be led0
17:48.24RobotGuythe .gpio like is the important one.
17:48.44RobotGuys/like/line/
17:49.06prpplagueyep
17:49.11prpplaguestatic struct platform_device tct_hammer_led0 = {
17:49.11prpplague.name= "s3c24xx_led",
17:49.11prpplague.id= 0,
17:49.12prpplague.dev= {
17:49.12prpplague.platform_data = &tct_hammer_pdata_led0,
17:49.12prpplague},
17:49.14prpplague};
17:49.38RobotGuyprpplague: So is it true then that I could create any sort of definition in that file to name anything and connect it to a S3C2410A resource?
17:49.38prpplaguenow this tells it to "connect" the led driver to the information we just supplied
17:49.51prpplagueRobotGuy pretty much
17:50.01RobotGuyHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..
17:50.05RobotGuyFacinating
17:50.30RobotGuyIs .name the name of the driver?
17:50.43prpplaguecorrect
17:50.45solarprpplague: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/ledctl.c
17:51.19RobotGuyAnd .dev actually does the connection to my routine that does something with the LED?
17:52.47prpplaguesolar ahh much better
17:53.06RobotGuyprpplague: Am I getting it about .dev?
17:53.16prpplagueRobotGuy .dev points to the information you provided about the gpio
17:53.47prpplagueRobotGuy see how it is the same name as the first struct where we told it what gpio?
17:53.56RobotGuyprpplague: Like a structure? Hmmmmm, not sure I understand this part.
17:54.04prpplagueRobotGuy: tct_hammer_pdata_led0
17:54.57prpplagueRobotGuy back to the phone call example
17:55.28RobotGuyI think I am not going to undrestand today, sorry.  Can't concentrate, head hurts, etc.
17:55.38prpplagueRobotGuy let me give it a quick try
17:55.46RobotGuyOK
17:56.41prpplague"hello this message is for PREFIX FIRST LAST, FIRST please call credit card services today, thank you and have a nice day PREFIX LAST"
17:56.50prpplaguethis one has three substitutions
17:56.57prpplagueprefix last and first
17:57.11prpplaguefollow me so far?
17:57.53RobotGuyI got that part about substituting.  I just don't see where the substition comes from.
17:58.46prpplagueRobotGuy ok, so, you could do a single subsititution by stating "PREFIX=MR." "FIRST=Dale" "LAST=Weber"
17:59.11RobotGuyIn tct_hammer_pdata_led0 ?
17:59.29prpplagueRobotGuy right, thats what we are doing in pdata_led0
17:59.54RobotGuyprpplague: OK, so that is a pointer to a structure or simple variable?
18:00.10prpplagueRobotGuy exactly
18:00.22RobotGuyI define that in mach-tct-hammer.h ?
18:00.26prpplagueyep
18:00.42prpplaguehttp://www.elinux.org/Hammer_LED_Class_Driver
18:00.49RobotGuyAnd that has to give the driver what it needs to work?
18:00.54prpplagueyou can see how we setup the leds for nail board at the bottom of the list
18:01.01prpplagueRobotGuy exactly
18:01.43prpplagueRobotGuy look, here is one for a push button
18:01.43prpplaguestatic struct gpio_keys_button gpio_keys_buttons[] = {
18:01.44prpplague<PROTECTED>
18:01.44prpplague<PROTECTED>
18:01.44prpplague<PROTECTED>
18:01.44prpplague<PROTECTED>
18:01.46prpplague<PROTECTED>
18:01.48prpplague<PROTECTED>
18:01.50prpplague};
18:01.56prpplaguenot much different than a led
18:02.33RobotGuySo the tct_hammer_pdata_led0 data is formated for the particular driver you are working with?
18:02.47prpplagueRobotGuy exactly
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18:03.55RobotGuyprpplague: OK, I think I am getting it now.  I probably won't completely understand until I use it and see it working.
18:03.56prpplagueRobotGuy so the machine file consists of two parts, one telling it what driver to use, and the other what information to use with the specified driver
18:04.03prpplagueRobotGuy indeed
18:04.47prpplagueRobotGuy did the phone call example help?
18:05.13RobotGuyMy Nail devices are not getting detected all the time, and am sure there is another problem also, possibly with my USB port(s).
18:05.23RobotGuyprpplague: Yes, that did help quite a bit.
18:05.38prpplagueRobotGuy bummer
18:05.40RobotGuyprpplague: It helped me lock on to what you were saying.
18:05.51prpplaguemakes a note to use it again
18:06.15prpplagueRobotGuy you see now how many of the linux kernel drivers can be used no matter what they are connected to?
18:06.20RobotGuyI think it's a good analogy.
18:06.33RobotGuyprpplague: I am starting to see that now. :)
18:07.06RobotGuyprpplague: The same type of thing could be used for analog ins and outs.
18:07.15prpplagueRobotGuy yep
18:07.52RobotGuyAnything that has a fixed set of data to operate on.
18:07.58prpplaguesolar think i'm gonna add that to the buildroot
18:08.07prpplagueRobotGuy yep
18:08.26prpplagueRobotGuy you write the driver with subsitution in mind, then everyone can use it
18:09.07RobotGuyprpplague: I think this could even be extended to work with compound sensors, if I am understanding it correctly, such as a 3 axis accelerometer that requires 3 analong inputs.
18:09.17RobotGuyMaybe even for I2C devices!
18:09.38prpplagueyep exactly
18:09.59prpplagueor spi
18:10.00RobotGuyNow I want to tinker with it but can't. :(
18:10.01prpplagueor sdio
18:10.01solarprpplague: Only useful with the updated mach-tct-hammer.patch
18:10.04RobotGuyIndeed
18:10.50solarprpplague: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/linux-2.6.22-tct-leds.patch (maybe link to these from the wiki?)
18:11.05RobotGuyprpplague: I am seeing the beauty and application in this setup now. Well done!
18:11.37prpplaguesolar yea
18:11.50prpplagueRobotGuy good deal
18:12.19RobotGuyprpplague: Now I just have to master this and be able to use it for my own stuff.
18:12.29RobotGuycurses at his USB ports
18:14.15prpplagueRobotGuy one my favorite quotes in the world is from the movie "Contact", "small steps Sparks, small steps"
18:14.16solarit's ok RobotGuy. I'm cursing at my computer case.
18:14.50prpplagueRobotGuy wire up a new LED to the nail board or your hammer kit and try to set it up in the kernel
18:15.01RobotGuyprpplague: I just tried a third USB port with Nail and still can't flash it.
18:15.20solarRobotGuy: sure openocd is setup right?
18:15.26RobotGuyprpplague: I'm going to try with my other Hammer.
18:15.57RobotGuysolar: Yes, as far as I can tell - same setup I've been using, with a minor tweak to handle building for different boards.
18:16.04RobotGuyKind of a pain, but it works.
18:16.35prpplaguelordy lordy, its amazing how disorganized a house can become when the boss lady isn't around
18:17.00solaractually. wonder how smart openocd is. If you were to have two Nails plugged in while trying to flash it.
18:17.13prpplaguesolar that would be a problem
18:17.26prpplagueit uses the identification string to determine the id
18:17.30RobotGuypulls W.A.L.T.E.R. off the shelf and puts him on the work table.
18:17.37prpplagueyou can reflash the nail with a different string
18:17.44prpplaguefor instance, Flyswatter1
18:17.52prpplagueFlyswatter2
18:18.07prpplaguesolar we do production programming with a single pc and 8 flyswatters
18:18.15prpplaguesolar each flashed with a different id string
18:18.34RobotGuyprpplague: Did I tell you I designed a multi-jointed arm that can reach to the top deck, into the cargo deck, and all the way to the floor?
18:19.41solarsounds rather time consuming.
18:20.23solarmaking a daisy chainable firmware might be neat.
18:22.18RobotGuyprpplague: Houston, we have a problem..
18:24.06solarthe soekris device had a neat gpio driver iirc where you could simply echo 0x00ff00ff into a proc entry to control a bunch of gpio pins
18:26.56RobotGuyprpplague: I just flashed my Hammer Board (on the carrier board).  Can't flash Nail.
18:27.18prpplagueRobotGuy what is the error on the nail board?
18:29.10prpplaguesolar daisy chaining wouldn't be a problem
18:29.26prpplaguesolar it would only be an issue when doing them all into the same host device
18:30.30RobotGuyprpplague: Getting info for you now.
18:30.50RobotGuyprpplague: Shouldn't I always have three USB devices detected for Nail?
18:31.36prpplagueRobotGuy no, depending on what gadget driver you have installed or turned on
18:31.44prpplagueRobotGuy you should always get atleast 2
18:32.01prpplaguethe hub and the flyswatter
18:32.06RobotGuyprpplague: I know, but I don't always have two.
18:32.18prpplaguewhat do you have?
18:33.22RobotGuyprpplague: Sometimes just ttyUSB1, sometimes both ttyUSB0 adn ttyUSB1
18:33.40prpplagueRobotGuy ok thats ok
18:33.55prpplagueRobotGuy what i'm refering to is the listing from /proc/bus/usb/devices
18:33.56solarsure ttyUSB2 is not showing up?
18:34.16RobotGuysolar: Not always, but not sure it should.
18:34.16prpplaguettyUSB2 isn't suppose to show up unless you have the serial gadget driver turned on
18:34.27solarIf I'm attached to the console. And I reflash it shows up as the next device
18:34.51prpplaguesolar thats interesting
18:34.57solaralways uses ttyUSB2 or ttyUSB3 to connect directly to it.
18:35.15chouimatARRGGG
18:35.18prpplaguedo you have another usb serial port adapter?
18:35.34prpplaguesolar can you provide me with a /proc/bus/usb/devices listing?
18:35.43prpplaguechouimat go back to sleep
18:36.00RobotGuySomething wrong with pastebin.ca
18:36.13prpplagueRobotGuy indeed its been acting up lately
18:36.14chouimatprpplague: can't ...
18:36.43RobotGuyI don't know any other paste sites.
18:37.20prpplaguehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/
18:37.30RobotGuyprpplague: Error:   arm7_9_common.c:563 arm7_9_execute_sys_speed(): timeout waiting for SYSCOMP & DBGACK, last DBG_STATUS: 4
18:38.08prpplagueRobotGuy yea i need the whole log
18:38.27RobotGuyThat is the whole log - same error repeated over and over.
18:38.36prpplagueRobotGuy there is something else
18:38.44prpplagueRobotGuy can you use minicom for shell?
18:39.04RobotGuyprpplague: Can't do it - doesn't work.
18:39.22prpplagueRobotGuy ok, sounds like something is definetly wrong
18:39.35prpplagueRobotGuy you have your flyswatter plugged in at the same time?
18:39.53RobotGuyprpplague: All I did is plug it in when I got it and flash it a couple times. I am talking about NAIL here.
18:40.09prpplagueRobotGuy indeed, do you have you flyswatter plugged in as well
18:40.15RobotGuyNAIL flashing is what throws the error.
18:40.19prpplagueRobotGuy indeed, do you have you flyswatter plugged in as well
18:40.20RobotGuyNo
18:40.21prpplagueok
18:40.38RobotGuyOnly use one at a time - Hammer/Flyswatter or Nail.
18:40.52prpplagueok, so it was working, now it is not, is that correct?
18:41.00RobotGuyprpplague: Correct.
18:41.18solarprpplague: http://rafb.net/p/IcPRdt39.html
18:42.08prpplaguesolar ahh yea you have another usb uart plugged in somewhere
18:42.31prpplagueS:  Product=FT232R USB UART
18:42.31prpplagueS:  SerialNumber=A3000G9U
18:42.47solarthats probably the builtin one from the http://images.google.com/images?q=Zalman%20HD160XT
18:43.07prpplagueahh indeed
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18:43.16prpplaguesolar thats why yours shows up as 2 and 3
18:43.33solarI've never got the onboard one working
18:43.33prpplagueRobotGuy can you pastebin me your /proc/bus/usb/devices ?
18:43.47solarso I mainly use one of two generic external ones
18:45.06RobotGuyprpplague: http://rafb.net/p/my6snC69.html
18:45.07prpplagueRobotGuy i'm wondering if you might have a bad usb cable
18:45.25RobotGuyprpplague: Same cable used for both Flyswatter/Hammer and Nail.
18:45.40RobotGuyThe one that came with my Nail.
18:45.42prpplagueRobotGuy that looks fine
18:46.04prpplagueRobotGuy do this: dmesg | grep -e ttyUSB
18:47.22RobotGuyprpplague: http://rafb.net/p/vRvZaf88.html
18:48.14prpplaguethat looks good
18:48.42RobotGuyprpplague: I am using the same USB cable and same USB port for both Hammer and Nail.
18:48.42prpplaguesomething must be up with openocd then
18:48.47prpplagueRobotGuy okie dokie
18:49.03RobotGuyprpplague: I can flash using Flyswatter/Hammer just fine.
18:49.44prpplagueRobotGuy try using the long 2x7 cable from the flyswatter on the nail board to do your flashing
18:49.48solarare they plugged in at the same time?
18:49.57RobotGuysolar: No
18:50.25RobotGuyprpplague: I have no idea which cable that is now.  I have a lot of different USB cables, and they all work fine.
18:52.22RobotGuyprpplague: Same result as before with Nail and same USB port, different USB cable.
18:54.29RobotGuyprpplague: When I find a bad or flakey cable, it either gets fixed or tossed and replaced.
18:56.09prpplagueRobotGuy did you use the long 2x7 cable from the flyswatter?
18:56.14RobotGuyprpplague: Oh, that means I have to take Nail out of its case to swap JTAG cables.
18:56.26RobotGuythought prpplague meant USB cables
18:58.08RobotGuyprpplague: The case ends are on too tight.  I can't get either end off. :(
19:00.26solarjust wiggle them slowly while pulling out. I kinda had to be my fingers under the plastic. takes about 15 sec
19:01.10solars/be/get
19:02.32prpplagueRobotGuy i'm guess that the short 2x7 isn't goot
19:02.34prpplaguegood
19:03.21RobotGuyprpplague: That could be.  I wish I could check it out, but those case ends are on really tight.
19:03.31RobotGuyprpplague: I don't want to mung up the case.
19:04.42RobotGuysolar: I still can't get the end cap loose that way either. :( I just don't have the strength (carpal tunnel surgery, both wrists).
19:05.34solarhot butter knife
19:07.33solarsorry to hear about the dual surgerys. I'm fearing I'm going to need one myself in the next 5 years
19:07.58prpplagueRobotGuy how did you flash the hammer module without taking it out of the case and putting it on the carrier board?
19:08.51RobotGuyprpplague: I flashed my other Hammer on the carrier board, not the one on the Nail board.
19:09.16RobotGuyprpplague: No way I am removing either from there respective sockets.
19:09.37RobotGuy*their
19:10.34RobotGuyprpplague: Speaking of which, did you figure out what failed on my first hammer?
19:14.29prpplagueRobotGuy no, neither i nor mr.herod have had time to look at it
19:17.09RobotGuyprpplague: I was just thinking that might be the case.
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19:18.13prpplagueRobotGuy well i suspect that the 2x7 cable is probably the issue
19:18.22prpplagueRobotGuy you said it was working fine at first?
19:22.33RobotGuyprpplague: Yes, as far as I know it was.
19:26.28prpplaguestarts dinner early
19:27.28prpplaguei'm sooo tempted to go and find some spoilers for next weeks episode of dr.who
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19:49.03RobotGuysighs
19:50.08RobotGuyreally needs something to work soon.
19:54.45prpplaguedashytesong makes me laugh soooo hard,
20:03.57RobotGuyprpplague: Who/What is that>
20:05.53prpplagueRobotGuy you've got spam
20:06.16prpplagueis it a sin to have dinner without any vegatibles
20:07.49RobotGuychecks his spam
20:08.05RobotGuyprpplague: Ah, I will have to play that when I boot into Windows next.
20:09.36RobotGuyNow I have a mail filter setup for you again. :)
20:10.39RobotGuyprpplague: Did I ever mention to you that I am not good at mechanical things?
20:12.59prpplagueme either
20:17.34RobotGuyIf I could have somebody else do all the building on my robot(s), I would. I just want to get to the point I can start working on software.
20:18.28RobotGuyprpplague: I'd try a bit more force on the Nail case, but I want to keep it intact.
20:20.03RobotGuyI have nothing that can play wma in Linux.  Hmmm, is there anything?
20:22.23prpplagueRobotGuy you you just need the plugins, i need to convert it
20:26.49RobotGuyI just need to find the plugins.  I hate having to go searching to find the right packages to install. That's one thing I don't care about Debian derived distros.
20:39.28RobotGuyI can play WMA now. :D Using XMMS
20:40.41RobotGuyInteresting song. :)
20:42.40RobotGuyXMMS ftw!
20:51.13solarbetter tell xmms to write it out to another file format
20:51.22solarcuz every distro seems to be dropping it
20:55.41RobotGuysolar: XMMS is doing fine with WMA using the wma and arts plugins.
21:05.38prpplagueRobotGuy need me to translate?
21:06.09RobotGuyprpplague: The song? No.  Got it playing using XMMS and the WMA plugin. :)
21:06.32RobotGuyCute song.  Definitely different. :)
21:09.13RobotGuyI need to find somebody who can get one end cap off the Nail case without mucking up the case.
21:09.13RobotGuyIf I go to the next PARTS meeting, I would like to take Nail with me.
21:10.15RobotGuyThere isn't anything to get a grip on with the Nail case. :( It's all smooth.
21:21.04RobotGuyBRB\
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21:28.25sunrunner20arg
21:28.28sunrunner20any fishing people here
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21:31.49noobyguyEnter text here...hi
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21:32.29noobyguy9uld be appreciated)
21:33.03noobyguycould neone give me some tips, siites or hacking programs 22 get me started (i rather learn mostly myself but something 2 get me started
21:33.17noobyguywould be appreciated)
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21:57.48RobotGuyHave I mentioned my dislike for Windows lately??
22:01.01SpeedEvilBy Rod Stewart?
22:29.11sunrunner20guys
22:29.17sunrunner20chown -v -R --from=brainspore.net:brainspore.net brainspore.net:www-data *
22:29.29sunrunner20thats syntatically correct, right?
22:29.45SpeedEvilwonders what the --from switch oes
22:30.01SpeedEvilah
22:30.19SpeedEvilShould be I think. Try it in a subdir.
22:31.01sunrunner20it is in a subdir :)
22:31.46SpeedEvilI mean - on files it can destroy without issue
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22:40.01RobotGuyg1powermac: Hi!
22:40.26sunrunner20SpeedEvil: ?
22:40.31sunrunner20destroy?
22:40.54sunrunner20i need to change perms on dir and files recusrivly
22:41.35SpeedEvilAlways mount a scratch monkey.
22:42.10sunrunner20o.0
22:42.37SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_monkey
22:42.59sunrunner20oh yea
22:43.02sunrunner20i did :P
22:43.10sunrunner20its on my local system :)
22:43.18sunrunner20i'm recovering it right now lol
22:43.21sunrunner20thats the issue
22:43.23sunrunner20the recovery
22:43.30sunrunner20left the perms messed
22:43.34SpeedEvilIt should work fine I think
22:43.40sunrunner20http://brainspore.net/
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22:44.07sunrunner20well
22:44.13sunrunner20its saying permission denied
22:44.33sunrunner20guess I can't give arbarary acccess to www-data user group
22:45.21sunrunner20well
22:45.25sunrunner20its saying operation not permitted
22:46.10SpeedEvilAre you root?
22:46.25SpeedEvilDows the www-data group exist on your computer?
22:51.33RobotGuyI always setup a special user and group for WWW stuff and set ownership to that user and group.
22:52.43RobotGuyg1powermac: ping
23:17.38sunrunner20SpeedEvil: everything was done remotely
23:17.52sunrunner20and no root
23:18.03sunrunner20and *#@*)$#()$* i hate hicups
23:18.13sunrunner20because I don't get hicups
23:18.21sunrunner20I get hicburps
23:18.27sunrunner20which hurt like hell
23:18.30SpeedEvilDows the www-data group exist on your computer?
23:18.56sunrunner20my computer isn't even linux
23:19.02sunrunner20and
23:19.08sunrunner20SpeedEvil: everything was done remotely
23:19.20sunrunner20oh
23:19.22sunrunner20i forgot to mention
23:19.30sunrunner20its in a tarball on my machine
23:23.25SpeedEvilI mean - on the system where you're extracting it - does the www-data group exist
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23:50.45g1powermacwell, that was a fun day
23:50.54g1powermacday 1 of our massive outdoor super sale thing
23:51.05g1powermac's face is burnt to a crisp :(
23:51.16g1powermachey RobotGuy
23:51.33RobotGuyDid you get sunburned?
23:51.41g1powermacjust my face it seems
23:52.05RobotGuyI have completed the first version of my Mini Arachnid Robot Body.
23:52.49g1powermaccool
23:54.59g1powermacwell, this sucks: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/06/21/1757259.shtml

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