| 00:00.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there proof it is your work? |
| 00:11.18 | prpplague | yes of course there is |
| 00:11.24 | prpplague | i document everything |
| 00:11.49 | prpplague | but its not as simple as that, you have to deal with office politics |
| 00:12.08 | prpplague | at this stage there just anything i can do about it |
| 00:12.35 | prpplague | but i can make sure i don't give him anything else |
| 00:14.18 | RobotGuy | I always hated office politics when I was working. The downside is I didn't get to advance as I should have. |
| 00:21.37 | RobotGuy | I hate when people just knowingly rip stuff off. Can't trust anyone anymore. :( |
| 00:22.12 | RobotGuy | Dang, I just made a four page 3D PDF, and wouldn't you know the ONLY spelling error is on the last page. |
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| 00:34.39 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Greetings! |
| 00:35.56 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I just completed the first 3D model of a walking robot (eight legs) using custom components (almost 100% custom). |
| 01:02.27 | g1powermac_PB | awesome |
| 01:02.32 | g1powermac_PB | dang, he left |
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| 01:20.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: awesome |
| 01:21.02 | RobotGuy | I made a 3D PDF of the critter. |
| 01:33.22 | RobotGuy | It's complete with all eight legs, but I am not sure it is actually viable. |
| 03:06.25 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, kernel 2.6.25.8 doesn't seem to have the TCT Hammer Board for a system type selection. |
| 03:07.31 | RobotGuy | 2.6.25.7 has it. |
| 03:12.09 | ds2 | missing patch? |
| 03:18.29 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yeah, it still needs a patch, but it only partially applies. Not sure if that is good or bad. |
| 03:20.44 | ds2 | could be bits are already in there already |
| 03:21.24 | RobotGuy | That is the probable case. |
| 03:25.06 | ds2 | what files are the rejects? |
| 03:25.59 | ds2 | i.e the output of find . -name '*.rej' -print |
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| 04:43.53 | solar | prpplague: Re: slimy.. Sorry to hear that. If I can do anything to offer I surely would.. |
| 04:45.11 | RobotGuy | solar: I don't think the ARM tree has the uvcvideo driver. |
| 04:45.12 | solar | handles all the interviews for new at this point at his current.job... Bear best way to curb problems before they start. |
| 04:45.31 | solar | RobotGuy: really? we are SOL? |
| 04:46.17 | solar | RobotGuy: you got the know-how... Is building the PTZ that spendy? (more than $30) ? |
| 04:48.37 | RobotGuy | solar: I am not sure yet. I can build a pan/tilt. |
| 04:49.21 | solar | RobotGuy: sure you can. It's just Y.Y.Z |
| 04:49.56 | RobotGuy | solar: My version of a PTZ is putting a camera on an arm. :) |
| 04:50.01 | solar | I barely know the fundamentals. I know damn well you outpace me by a bunch of years |
| 04:50.20 | RobotGuy | It depends what fundamentals you are talking about. |
| 04:50.29 | solar | EE |
| 04:51.03 | RobotGuy | solar: Maybe. I can design digital circuits and am getting better with analog too. |
| 04:51.55 | RobotGuy | If I had decent schematic capture and PCB software I could do a lot more. That reminds me, I still need to look at gEDA. |
| 04:52.57 | ohsix | geda has cooties |
| 04:53.19 | solar | So you think you might be able to stick around for a little? Perhaps for the transition phase when we cross over to each others worlds? |
| 04:54.05 | RobotGuy | I'll be around as long as I am working with embedded systems. :) |
| 04:54.16 | RobotGuy | You might be stuck with me for awhile. :) |
| 04:55.09 | solar | RobotGuy: then I need to help you build a proper crossdev env on your desktop(or your devenv) |
| 04:55.43 | solar | RobotGuy: actually.. I've been working on a project based on guys like you |
| 04:55.56 | solar | it's nothing more than base-wrappers |
| 04:56.18 | RobotGuy | solar: I've written wrapper scripts for buildroot that I use every day. :) |
| 04:56.22 | solar | but... I hope with that I can help show the power of gentoo |
| 04:56.40 | RobotGuy | You don't have to sell me on Gentoo. :D |
| 04:56.40 | solar | I feel really sad sometimes. |
| 04:57.03 | solar | I see you guys fighting with shit I've solved way long ago |
| 04:57.07 | RobotGuy | I want to learn. |
| 04:57.12 | solar | and I want to share |
| 04:57.17 | solar | and learn |
| 04:57.20 | RobotGuy | Good! :D |
| 04:58.17 | solar | so.. what do you know about morse code? |
| 04:58.23 | RobotGuy | I hate having to go down roads I know have already been solved by others. The problem is, info on the internet can be very scarce or presented badly as to make it useless. |
| 04:58.40 | RobotGuy | I've had a ham ticket. I used to use morse code. :) |
| 05:00.16 | RobotGuy | I used to get better signal reports than those running much more power. |
| 05:01.27 | solar | RobotGuy: Anyway another sub-project at gentoo we have is explicit is gentoo-accessibility |
| 05:01.49 | RobotGuy | Accessibility is important. |
| 05:01.54 | solar | so we tend to try and cater somewhat to the blind and handicap. |
| 05:02.11 | solar | anyway what I was thinking was the nail has a buzzer |
| 05:02.41 | RobotGuy | That's great! :) Part of what I am doing with W.A.L.T.E.R. is designed to help disabled people in wheelchairs. |
| 05:02.44 | solar | and with a simple enough driver would could convert sound to morse code. |
| 05:02.48 | solar | but |
| 05:03.12 | solar | there are prorbably better devices suited for the task |
| 05:03.22 | RobotGuy | You'd need to be able to detect the duration of a given sound, and pauses between. |
| 05:04.01 | solar | RobotGuy: I have a task given to me. A nail was donated. I've the task to prove it's useful for the dev comminity. |
| 05:04.26 | solar | so far other than you. I'm having a hell of a time. When I could just suggest another board. |
| 05:04.38 | RobotGuy | solar: You still need a Linux based PC to make use of the Nail. |
| 05:05.02 | solar | for the "gift" of a board I will put as much polish on as I can. |
| 05:05.16 | solar | RobotGuy: almost. |
| 05:05.25 | RobotGuy | The advantage of the Nail is that it has the Flyswatter (or equivalent) built in. |
| 05:05.39 | solar | Yeah |
| 05:05.50 | solar | so the mass appeal is not there. |
| 05:06.13 | RobotGuy | Does it have to have mass appeal to be useful? |
| 05:06.13 | solar | thw nail is still a dev board vs what it could be |
| 05:06.33 | solar | and tct is pretty close price wise out of the gate |
| 05:06.43 | RobotGuy | solar: It needs a built on display and some sort of small keyboard. |
| 05:06.58 | solar | RobotGuy: Yes and No |
| 05:07.14 | solar | RobotGuy: thats another model I think |
| 05:07.49 | solar | for uber-us-dev (then yes by all means it sure does) |
| 05:07.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Showed a picture of a Nail with a small display right in the case with it. |
| 05:07.57 | solar | but for end-user |
| 05:08.13 | MonMotha | speaking of accessibility, what is the present status of eye trackers? |
| 05:08.23 | MonMotha | last I saw, they were "way too expensive" |
| 05:08.27 | solar | which is who they are going to have to target sooner or later if they have any plan to stay in business |
| 05:08.28 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Greetings |
| 05:08.37 | MonMotha | those are useful even for people with full mobility |
| 05:08.40 | MonMotha | greetings |
| 05:08.48 | MonMotha | I actually only have a few minutes (need to get to bed) |
| 05:09.20 | RobotGuy | solar: One thing I want to do is have a small computer on my wheelchair to control lighting, noise makers, etc. |
| 05:09.26 | solar | MonMotha: check out the Logitech Orbit QuckCam (PTZ) |
| 05:09.27 | RobotGuy | Nail could do that. |
| 05:09.36 | MonMotha | QuckCam? |
| 05:09.40 | MonMotha | you mean perhaps QuickCam? |
| 05:09.46 | MonMotha | (like ALL of Logitech's products are named) |
| 05:09.48 | solar | odd. second time todday I suggest the same device |
| 05:10.17 | solar | MonMotha: just seatch as close as youcan |
| 05:10.21 | MonMotha | we actually have one of those at work |
| 05:10.21 | solar | search |
| 05:10.44 | RobotGuy | It's actually the Quickcam Orbit AF |
| 05:10.50 | MonMotha | I'm looking for something that can track extremely rapid eye movements |
| 05:11.04 | solar | I thought I might of had the "MP" |
| 05:11.08 | solar | but I'm not sure |
| 05:11.10 | MonMotha | like I want to be able to scan across an entire wall of display as fast as I can |
| 05:11.14 | solar | the AF is sound? |
| 05:11.22 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes |
| 05:11.45 | RobotGuy | As far as I know and from personal experience, all Logitech cameras have a mic also. |
| 05:12.04 | solar | RobotGuy: ahh. I had no sound... But for a USB device (which I know we shun away from) is quite nice. |
| 05:12.47 | MonMotha | basically, I want to have a display that fills my vision and I navigate in it by simply looking at what I want (possibly without even tilting my head) and have the computer know where I'm looking |
| 05:12.47 | MonMotha | then I can have a special key on the keyboard to "click" or similar |
| 05:12.47 | RobotGuy | I don't have a problem with USB devices as long as they are supported by Linux. :) |
| 05:12.47 | MonMotha | basically, I can have both hands on my keyboard at all times |
| 05:13.21 | MonMotha | there are medically targeted devices like that, but they're ungodly expensive |
| 05:13.49 | MonMotha | they are made for people with extremely limited limb/extremity mobility to allow them to use computers or in some cases simply communicate if they cannot speak |
| 05:14.10 | RobotGuy | That sounds like the $20K so called "care bots", which I think are dumb. Who do those really help? |
| 05:14.19 | MonMotha | I just want the eye tracker :) |
| 05:14.37 | RobotGuy | My W.A.L.T.E.R. will be able to do most of that eventually and help people in wheelchairs. |
| 05:15.04 | MonMotha | can it resolve where I'm looking down to about a quarter an inch on a display only 1.5ft from my face? |
| 05:15.09 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: That has application for the paralyzed. |
| 05:15.28 | MonMotha | yes, that's the present application that I have seen of such eye trackers |
| 05:15.46 | MonMotha | unfortunately, due to being "medical devices", they are almost all overbuilt for my purposes and therefore extremely expensive |
| 05:16.01 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Is there really any real reason they have to be so expensive? |
| 05:16.12 | MonMotha | if I could find an affordable one (<$1000), it would make a VERY nice interface tool |
| 05:16.27 | MonMotha | I'm not sure. There are several different ways they are made |
| 05:16.50 | MonMotha | but I'm sure that in many cases it's simply the "medically qualified" and everything that goes along with that |
| 05:17.07 | MonMotha | most that I have seen are in the $8-15k range |
| 05:17.20 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: OK, so without having to be "medically qualified", what would it take to build one? |
| 05:17.25 | MonMotha | and even they are barely adequate in terms of tracking accuracy for my purposes |
| 05:17.29 | MonMotha | RobotGuy: depends on how you make it |
| 05:17.47 | MonMotha | camera based ones, a high-res, high-framerate webcam (~$400-600) and a whole lot of software |
| 05:17.57 | MonMotha | there are also some interesting designs based off of lasers |
| 05:18.14 | MonMotha | I don't mind having to wear headgear, so cameras can be positioned as needed |
| 05:18.25 | MonMotha | heck, we could go stereoscopic or include a HUD :) |
| 05:18.34 | MonMotha | I've always wanted a HUD :) |
| 05:18.50 | MonMotha | then you get into possible "wearable computing" applications, as well |
| 05:19.01 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: OK, now come back down to earth.. :) |
| 05:19.08 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 05:19.17 | MonMotha | though all that is doable NOW; it's just a matter of cost |
| 05:19.35 | MonMotha | a system that does what I want could be assembled NOW for about $50,000 - wearable and all |
| 05:19.39 | MonMotha | that's...freaking expensive |
| 05:19.46 | RobotGuy | Yes, it is! |
| 05:19.50 | MonMotha | and $50,000 is a low end estimate! |
| 05:20.30 | MonMotha | I'd settle for just an accurate eye tracker that interfaces to a standard PC with a large, high-res (HP is supposedly doing WQUXGA late this year) monitor |
| 05:20.38 | MonMotha | or possible a projector on a wall at at least 1080p |
| 05:22.02 | MonMotha | the issue with an eye tracker that does what I want is that you're having to "see" rather small, rapid changes |
| 05:22.24 | MonMotha | think how fast you can scan your eyes (not moving your head) from one side extreme to the other |
| 05:22.46 | MonMotha | and then how small of a motion that actually is |
| 05:25.08 | RobotGuy | Eyes are very quick things to track and be sure you are getting the right message. |
| 05:25.45 | MonMotha | indeed |
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| 05:43.15 | RobotGuy | Right now, I am working to get my Hammer working with a JFFS2 rootfs. |
| 05:45.51 | RobotGuy | I have a nice set of buildroot wrapper scripts that make things really easy for me to do a build with any kernel version. |
| 06:02.21 | RobotGuy | Geesh, my JFFS2 image is 12 MB to get just the bare essentials of what I need for my robot. |
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| 06:38.24 | RobotGuy | Hi magnetron |
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| 06:38.38 | magnetron | RobotGuy: hai hai |
| 06:38.47 | RobotGuy | roxfan: Greets |
| 06:45.54 | methril | yo |
| 06:46.32 | RobotGuy | Does anyone know what option I have to use on "make modules_install" to force the modules to be installed in a certain place? I tried adding "INSTALL_MOD_PATH=$HAMMER_PROJ_ROOT" but that didn't work. |
| 06:46.49 | RobotGuy | Yes, the ENV variable is valid. |
| 06:47.03 | RobotGuy | Hi methril |
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| 07:24.45 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 13:50.07 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 14:08.48 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:09.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:10.12 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague CosmicPenguin |
| 14:12.00 | CosmicPenguin | I find it interesting that every few months or so, somebody introduces a new proposal for tracing or probing the kernel |
| 14:12.17 | chouimat|work | another one? |
| 14:12.21 | CosmicPenguin | That just seems to be one of those areas that nobody can agree on or get right |
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| 14:18.55 | sjhill | the problem, imho, is that it really needs to be done with a hardware interface |
| 14:20.16 | CosmicPenguin | stupid hardware designers |
| 14:20.18 | CosmicPenguin | they all suck |
| 14:21.40 | chouimat|work | some a lot more than others :) |
| 14:27.25 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill is right though |
| 14:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | SMM for the win! |
| 14:29.13 | CosmicPenguin | I need a smaller case for my testbench machine |
| 14:38.59 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: hey now... |
| 14:39.39 | MothaWork | that said, there are processors with rather extensive hardware based probe/trace facilities |
| 14:39.48 | CosmicPenguin | There are |
| 14:39.57 | MothaWork | JTAG based ICE is pretty common, but some support full speed pipeline snooping |
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| 15:15.04 | solar | RobotGu: So I don't think we finished talking. But the point was with the buzzer one could make a hand held morse code device for the blind. |
| 15:15.25 | solar | hey ppl are supposed to be on irc 24x7 |
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| 16:23.46 | MothaWork | hum, anybody know much about struct alignment behavior in GCC? |
| 16:24.44 | MothaWork | I have a packed struct inside a struct with the "aligned" attribute. The outer struct is aligned to a word boundary and contains a word, 3 bytes (which are there for aligning a field in the packed struct), then the packed struct. Will GCC insert any padding that I don't want? |
| 16:24.55 | MothaWork | my goal is to align an unaligned member of the packed struct so I can DMA it |
| 16:25.06 | MothaWork | (this is not in Linux, btw) |
| 16:35.39 | roxfan | afaik usual alignment is "natural", i.e. byte-sized fields aligned on a byte, word-level on a word etc |
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| 16:51.19 | MothaWork | yes, but if you specify "packed", it won't do that |
| 16:51.34 | MothaWork | this struct needs to be packed for other reasons, but I want a particular field to be word-aligned so I can DMA it |
| 17:01.01 | methril|laptop | yo |
| 17:01.18 | prpplague | methril|laptop: greetings |
| 17:01.27 | prpplague | methril|laptop: talked to landley lately? |
| 17:02.16 | methril|laptop | landley? |
| 17:05.55 | prpplague | methril|laptop: sorry, confused you with Mirell |
| 17:06.11 | methril|laptop | don't worry :) |
| 17:06.21 | methril|laptop | but what landley menas? |
| 17:06.25 | methril|laptop | ups! means? |
| 17:11.50 | prpplague | landley is a person |
| 17:13.20 | methril|laptop | i though that was some local expression |
| 17:14.00 | solar | he tends to be a fan of dry ice |
| 17:14.30 | solar | few vids floating around on the net that you might of seen with him doing odd stuff with it. |
| 17:15.21 | solar | also was the primary maintainer of busybox for a few years. nice guy |
| 17:17.19 | methril|laptop | thanks for the info :) |
| 17:27.02 | MothaWork | gah, I don't think I've ever used __attribute__((packed)) and __attribute__((aligned)) so much |
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| 18:17.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: funny, less than 1% of TCT sales have been in the US |
| 18:18.10 | ds2 | what do the sales numbers look like for TCT? |
| 18:23.41 | SpeedEvil | >100, apparantly :) |
| 18:29.33 | prpplague | ds2: i can't tell you exact numbers |
| 18:29.55 | SpeedEvil | Though that is bloody odd - the sales to the US. |
| 18:30.16 | prpplague | ds2: we've sold a little over 1k units for the hammer |
| 18:31.04 | prpplague | you can do the math |
| 18:31.30 | SpeedEvil | Are the numbers distorted by really huge orders? |
| 18:31.42 | SpeedEvil | Again - if you can say. |
| 18:33.39 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: generally no |
| 18:38.30 | ds2 | prpplague: just wanted a ball park number to qualify the precentages |
| 18:39.01 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 18:39.24 | ds2 | percentages seems to be used a lot by the media to hide information -- birthrates are given in precentages but death rates are given as actual figures... GRRRR |
| 18:43.56 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 18:49.15 | chouimat|work | ds2: "there are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't" |
| 18:50.58 | T0mW | statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics |
| 19:03.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, this sato theme is driving me nuts |
| 19:03.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can't seem to get the right side titlebar working properly |
| 19:26.02 | MothaWork | chouimat|away: there are actually 11 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who are utterly tired of this joke |
| 19:27.30 | sunrunner20 | rotflmao MonMotha |
| 19:28.19 | chouimat|work | MonMotha: hehe |
| 19:28.57 | ds2 | :) |
| 19:46.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 19:46.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can't seem to get this matchbox-panel working properly :( |
| 19:46.18 | g1powermac_PB | heya prpplague |
| 19:46.22 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hey |
| 20:14.38 | prpplague | anyone got experience with matchbox-panel? |
| 20:15.44 | T0mW | still trying to get gpe working |
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| 20:53.05 | solar | prpplague: yes |
| 20:54.03 | prpplague | solar: i got a weird problem i can't seem to track, matchbox-panel only seems to show the entire panel when it is set for the full width of the lcd |
| 20:54.08 | prpplague | solar: 240 in this case |
| 20:54.36 | solar | ok? |
| 20:55.51 | prpplague | its the weirdiest thing |
| 20:56.21 | prpplague | solar: the right side of the panel is cut of if i have the width set for anything less than 240 |
| 20:56.37 | solar | I'm not sure I'm understanding how this is a problem. Are you saying you have to explicity set the width? |
| 20:58.39 | prpplague | solar: the panel is suppose to be configured for something like 80x24 , the left side shows up properly, right side doesn't |
| 20:59.42 | chouimat|work | prpplague: weird bits ordering? |
| 21:00.54 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i'm not doing any tinkering with the matchbox-panel code |
| 21:01.15 | prpplague | chouimat|work: its like it doesn't know how to operate less than 240 pixels |
| 21:01.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: weird |
| 21:01.41 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 21:04.38 | solar | I've never run across anything like that. sorry |
| 21:05.12 | CosmicPenguin | guesses that OLS is really struggling |
| 21:05.56 | prpplague | solar: np, i always get the weird stuff |
| 21:06.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague, solar: greetings |
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| 21:06.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hey |
| 21:08.36 | RobotGuy | I still can't get the durn end cap off my Nail Board. |
| 21:09.37 | RobotGuy | I'm also still confused about how to get setup with APEX and kernel for JFFS2 rootfs. |
| 21:11.02 | prpplague | ahh found it, image wasn't scaling properly |
| 21:16.06 | sunrunner20 | http://brainspore.net/downloads/LT1965.jpg |
| 21:16.07 | RobotGuy | I built a custom kernel and JFFS2 image, but it is not working. I am sure I have some parameters either in APEX or the kernel not set right. |
| 21:16.34 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 21:16.39 | RobotGuy | I need some help with this. |
| 21:16.42 | sunrunner20 | I like my new lense filters :) |
| 21:17.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll help you after work today around 6cst |
| 21:17.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, OK. I want to get all this down in a text file so I can add it to my howtos. |
| 21:19.42 | solar | RobotGuy: I have an updated apex.config for you |
| 21:19.52 | RobotGuy | solar: Cool! |
| 21:20.15 | RobotGuy | I'm trying to get a setup with Python and the basic stuff I need for my robot. |
| 21:20.47 | RobotGuy | 16 MB Flash is barely enough to handle that. |
| 21:23.10 | T0mW | RobotGuy: that is why I don't use Flash for anything more than booting a kernel. I rely upon some other external program store. e.g. SD card |
| 21:23.41 | solar | RobotGuy: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/ (apex-*.config and apex-*.bin) |
| 21:23.45 | RobotGuy | T0mW: The only other thing I have are 2 GB flash drives. |
| 21:25.14 | RobotGuy | solar: I will try that, thanks. |
| 21:25.48 | solar | RobotGuy: that was in the tarball I gave ya I think. http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/gnail-20080618.CONTENTS |
| 21:26.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why don't you start by posting your current bootlog |
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| 21:35.13 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 21:35.26 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Greetings! |
| 21:35.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will do that as soon as I load this new build of kernel and everything. |
| 21:36.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: okie dokie |
| 21:36.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: got your email, but can't open the pdf here |
| 21:36.57 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: It requires Adobe reader 7.x or later. |
| 21:37.13 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I opened the other one you sent me. . . |
| 21:37.46 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: The second one was created the same way. |
| 21:38.29 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, odd |
| 21:39.23 | RobotGuy | Very odd. |
| 21:39.48 | RobotGuy | Anyone else interested in seeing my design for an octapod based on real arachnids? |
| 21:40.09 | SpeedEvil | Mildly. |
| 21:40.26 | SpeedEvil | I still think eight is too many legs - given practical realities. |
| 21:40.28 | g1powermac_PB | is pondering about bidding on a lot of old vintage pcbs. . . |
| 21:40.37 | SpeedEvil | How vintage? |
| 21:41.01 | g1powermac_PB | fairly, looks to be all dip chips on them |
| 21:41.02 | SpeedEvil | You can have all of mine for a tenner, I should really get rid of them. |
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| 21:41.19 | SpeedEvil | But shipping'd kill that. |
| 21:41.21 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but shipping would be alot to the US |
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| 21:42.07 | g1powermac_PB | though if anyone here in the US wants to get rid of old gadgets and other vintage thingies, lemme know |
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| 21:43.43 | SpeedEvil | I really really need someone to take piles of crap off my hands. |
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| 21:44.02 | SpeedEvil | I mean - I have 6 5" mono CRTs. |
| 21:44.05 | CosmicPenguin | SpeedEvil: perhaps your flaw is salesmanship |
| 21:44.08 | SpeedEvil | Yes, they work, but... |
| 21:44.17 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: I wonder how much it would be to ship some of your stuff here |
| 21:44.28 | SpeedEvil | Silly money unfortunately. |
| 21:44.30 | g1powermac_PB | go economy, ie ground shipping |
| 21:44.36 | SpeedEvil | Even sea-shipping isn't cheap. |
| 21:44.47 | g1powermac_PB | yea, though alot cheaper than air mail |
| 21:45.32 | SpeedEvil | At some point I've got to consider how much of this crap I'm going to use ever, and how much it'd cost to simply buy it new. |
| 21:45.54 | SpeedEvil | And just throw it all out and clear the attic. |
| 21:46.22 | adyer | suspects a visit to a ham-fest with your stuff in tow would rid you of much junk |
| 21:46.27 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: well, if you have anything interesting, it might be worth the shipping |
| 21:46.38 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: there is nothing really interesting. |
| 21:46.56 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: well, anything that might be easily hacked to do something new and different |
| 21:47.10 | SpeedEvil | Just assorted broken and partly working old (though none really old and rare) computer/electronics bits. |
| 21:47.26 | g1powermac_PB | is gathering stuff for episodes of the podcast I want to make |
| 21:47.41 | ds2 | are those 5" CRTs VGA compatible? |
| 21:47.49 | SpeedEvil | No - composite. |
| 21:48.02 | ds2 | Oh :( |
| 21:48.14 | ds2 | probally find a composite LCD cheaper then the cost of shipping |
| 21:48.19 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 21:48.41 | SpeedEvil | Though actually, you could use them at VGA with the right scanline |
| 21:48.52 | SpeedEvil | Well - not VGA, but with a VGA card. |
| 21:48.54 | ds2 | does the Royal Mail offer flat rate boxes? |
| 21:49.12 | g1powermac_PB | anyone else have loads of stuff they want to get rid of? |
| 21:49.50 | SpeedEvil | ds2: no |
| 21:50.30 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: I might... what are you looking for? |
| 21:50.50 | g1powermac_PB | anything that might be able to be reused/hacked to do something new and different |
| 21:50.57 | ds2 | wonder if we can setup a wiki page to list gadgets for sale by individuals |
| 21:51.27 | adyer | ds2: call it something unique - like e-bay :-) |
| 21:51.38 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 21:51.39 | ds2 | adyer: yeah but w/o the troubles of ebay |
| 21:52.03 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: need old sun mice? :) |
| 21:52.14 | ds2 | or Sparc stuff? |
| 21:52.26 | g1powermac_PB | nah, mice and keyboards I got plenty of |
| 21:52.32 | SpeedEvil | Some of ebays 'problems' - are pretty much requirements for spam free - reduced anyway - auctions. |
| 21:52.56 | SpeedEvil | The fees forex. |
| 21:53.31 | ds2 | kind of like what craigslist but less cruft |
| 21:54.14 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: well, if you could think of anything that could be used on the podcast, I'll pay you a bit beyond shipping and even stick your name in the credits :-) |
| 21:54.38 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: sun stuff sticks out off the top of my head |
| 21:54.48 | ds2 | problem is I have to dig through the mounds and catalog stuff |
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| 21:55.37 | g1powermac_PB | sigh, someone touched my computer at the store. . . |
| 21:56.01 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: whats so interesting about sun stuff? |
| 21:56.11 | ds2 | sparc based system |
| 21:56.15 | ds2 | works great headless |
| 21:56.20 | ds2 | own a peice of history ;) |
| 21:56.50 | adyer | ds2: lol, I used to have a sun 2/120 - built like a tank but dog-slow... |
| 21:57.10 | ds2 | adyer: I am talking about fine modern Sun4 stuff ;) HE HE HE |
| 21:57.19 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: heh, true, but I need something that can be hacked to do something different :-) |
| 21:57.35 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: the suns can be hacked to do anything you want |
| 21:57.42 | ds2 | including a small anvil }:-) |
| 21:57.44 | g1powermac_PB | though the geek in me is screaming to buy one just for the fun of it ;-) |
| 21:58.12 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: of course, but thats the story for most computers :-) |
| 21:58.37 | g1powermac_PB | I got a few 'anvil' pentium 1s sitting in the basement :-) |
| 21:58.52 | SpeedEvil | Anyone want a cyrix 6x86 CPU? |
| 21:58.59 | ds2 | what about 386's? :) |
| 21:59.04 | SpeedEvil | I could fish it out of the bin if you do. |
| 21:59.17 | g1powermac_PB | I got a 486, close enough ;-) |
| 21:59.20 | ds2 | if it was a 5x86 or a MediaGX... |
| 21:59.27 | ds2 | or a NexGen |
| 22:00.06 | g1powermac_PB | brb |
| 22:00.36 | MonMotha | I've got a BUNCH of 486s and pentiums |
| 22:00.46 | MonMotha | I'll even throw in motherboards |
| 22:00.49 | ds2 | 486DLC's? |
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| 22:01.07 | MonMotha | these are mostly SX/DX |
| 22:01.31 | ds2 | oh those... the DLCs are more unique items |
| 22:01.38 | MonMotha | yes |
| 22:04.17 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: what else ya got? |
| 22:04.30 | MonMotha | g1powermac_PB: bunches of old ISA and PCI cards |
| 22:04.38 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: anything hackable? |
| 22:04.47 | MonMotha | maybe |
| 22:04.49 | MonMotha | worth hacking? no |
| 22:12.57 | SpeedEvil | Ebay needs to invest in time travel. I'd like to sell this pile of 4164s back when they were worth smething. |
| 22:13.26 | MonMotha | I've got a box of 4MB 30pin SIMMs |
| 22:13.34 | MonMotha | go back to 1989, and I'd be a millionare |
| 22:16.45 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: yea, got a batch here too |
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| 22:59.38 | sunrunner20 | hey |
| 22:59.45 | sunrunner20 | herm |
| 23:17.29 | RobotGuy | I'm going to try and get my hammer to use a 2 GB thumb drive as the rootfs. That will give me much more flexability. |
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| 23:27.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy you get it booting? |
| 23:27.22 | RobotGuy | Not yet. Had to rebuild toolchain for some reason. |
| 23:33.57 | solar | that seems much more fitting of a design for the nail vs trying to run python and friends off the flash |
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| 23:44.38 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:46.49 | prpplague | solar what are you refering to? |
| 23:47.10 | prpplague | notes that poptarts and beer good well together |
| 23:47.33 | ce_geek | prpplague; Greetings |
| 23:47.50 | prpplague | ce_geek hey hey |
| 23:47.54 | prpplague | ce_geek how goes it? |
| 23:48.00 | prpplague | ce_geek settling in? |
| 23:48.24 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hi |
| 23:48.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yup! I can almost see my living room now. |
| 23:48.29 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Howdy |
| 23:48.36 | ce_geek | prpplague: I had some questions about the toolchain |
| 23:48.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: For hammer |
| 23:48.58 | prpplague | ce_geek ok shoot |
| 23:49.09 | prpplague | is real tired, but will do his best to answer |
| 23:49.11 | ce_geek | prpplague: What was involved to create the arm-linux-gcc? |
| 23:49.22 | ce_geek | prpplague: On a high level, I guess. |
| 23:49.32 | RobotGuy | solar: The only problem with using a USB flash drive for rootfs is I also need USB for a WiFi adapter. |
| 23:49.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: Is it something that existed, or did it have to be customized for hammer? |
| 23:49.42 | prpplague | ce_geek even on the high level answer thats an all day question |
| 23:49.51 | ce_geek | prpplague: Lovely. |
| 23:50.10 | prpplague | ce_geek buildroot does most of the work generically for arm920 armv4t |
| 23:50.11 | ce_geek | prpplague: Did you have to do a lot to make it available as part of the toolchain? |
| 23:50.47 | prpplague | ce_geek buildroot does all of the toolchain, we just tell it what arm core we want it for |
| 23:51.05 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm really interested in how impractical it would be for me to pursue the ability to write code for the processor on the hammer board in Ada. I'd need gnat. |
| 23:51.32 | prpplague | i'm sure there is a recipe for it |
| 23:51.36 | prpplague | looks |
| 23:54.42 | prpplague | ce_geek i don't see anything that jumps out, but i'm pretty tired this evening, i'll give it a look in the morning |
| 23:54.54 | ce_geek | Okay |
| 23:55.02 | ce_geek | prpplague: Any word on my hammer? |
| 23:56.01 | prpplague | ce_geek sorry i've been too swampped to check |
| 23:56.11 | prpplague | ce_geek i'll email myself and try to check in the morning |
| 23:57.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: Cool, no problem. Thanks! |
| 23:57.32 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I've looked at that, and I don't think it's worth the effort unless gnat gets ported into buildroot. |
| 23:57.45 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Ada fan? |
| 23:58.02 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I was looking at it as a possibility for AI programming. |
| 23:58.08 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Ah |
| 23:58.13 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: It's pretty cool. |
| 23:58.52 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Others tell me it's not worth the effort to learn though. I like the basic setup of it though, but haven't looked deeper. |
| 23:59.16 | RobotGuy | GCC has support for ADA. |
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