| 00:10.32 | prpplague | solar drink one for me |
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| 02:02.50 | prpplague^2 | holy cow bad storm |
| 02:02.52 | prpplague^2 | super cell |
| 02:25.48 | prpplague^2 | drath ping |
| 02:32.09 | landley | prpplague: it's not a bad storm in texas until something's taken out a window. |
| 02:32.19 | landley | Although it doesn't have to be _your_ window. |
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| 04:24.57 | RobotGuy | Amazing. I have a 2.6.26-rc7 kernel running on Nail. |
| 04:26.41 | RobotGuy | Now I just have to figure out why I lost my thumb drive. |
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| 05:29.41 | solar | prpplague: the pub had many for you and then a few more :) |
| 05:31.23 | solar | prpplague:: might want to prep that stomach up for LWE.. We might owe each other a round or nine |
| 05:37.29 | RobotGuy | solar: I have OSCON on my calendar now. |
| 05:37.54 | RobotGuy | I have a 2.6.26-rc7 kernel running on Nail now. |
| 05:40.20 | solar | RobotGuy: cool. Were you able to do that with a gentoo base? |
| 05:40.42 | RobotGuy | solar: No, I did that with buildroot. |
| 05:41.22 | RobotGuy | I am still working on the gentoo stuff. :) I don't have a toolchain yet, |
| 05:41.27 | solar | sounds like default |
| 05:41.51 | RobotGuy | solar: I just copied the default hammer kernel config and ran make oldconfig. |
| 05:42.02 | RobotGuy | Nothing major. |
| 05:42.07 | solar | RobotGuy: I'll galdly give a hand later. |
| 05:42.16 | solar | tonite might not be the best |
| 05:42.21 | RobotGuy | That would be cool. I'm not in a hurry. |
| 05:43.19 | RobotGuy | I have all the time I need right now, so can work around your busy schedule. |
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| 06:17.00 | methril | yo |
| 06:33.58 | RobotGuy | Half a yo yo just isn't right. |
| 06:34.11 | methril | :) |
| 06:35.57 | methril | yo yo |
| 06:42.40 | RobotGuy | That's better.. :) |
| 06:43.03 | RobotGuy | What platform are you working with? |
| 06:49.04 | methril | i'm working with ARM (atmel one) and x270 |
| 06:49.09 | methril | at the moment :) |
| 06:49.11 | methril | and you? |
| 06:49.21 | methril | and not so later with openmoko |
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| 07:28.50 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 09:15.29 | Babbo09 | hi.. |
| 09:17.39 | Babbo09 | hi, I would have to install Buoy web server on a boad atmel at91sam9260 with cpu arm9, someone can help me, tnx |
| 09:17.52 | Babbo09 | hi, I would have to install Boa web server on a boad atmel at91sam9260 with cpu arm9, someone can help me, tnx |
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| 11:21.43 | drath | prpplague: pong, pong, pong... sorry, had a busy time lately |
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| 13:13.59 | prpplague | drath: ping |
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| 13:25.13 | prpplague | solar: you alive yet this morning? |
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| 14:16.15 | solar | prpplague: just waking up now. Whats up? |
| 14:16.38 | prpplague | solar: |
| 14:17.00 | solar | I'm here |
| 14:17.14 | prpplague | solar: you were wanting to run the nail standalone, i was thinking, i could do 4 AA's on one side of the nail and the wireless dongle on the other |
| 14:17.26 | prpplague | solar: and still fit it into a slightly longer tube |
| 14:18.34 | prpplague | solar: that kind of what you had in mind? |
| 14:18.55 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague |
| 14:19.03 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: greetings |
| 14:19.28 | solar | Almost. I was thinking to leave the tube the same size. And just make the power pack external. It's the the outter two wires on a usb dongle that provide power right? |
| 14:19.44 | sunrunner20 | yes |
| 14:20.59 | prpplague | solar: yea, i was thinking it would be easier to move around if it were all in the tube |
| 14:21.29 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: still planning on shipping the zipit back tomorrow? |
| 14:21.47 | solar | probably. I was thinking myself of probably wanting to use an altoids tincan for extra power. And on top of the altoids can we slap one two of these http://www.hobbyengineering.com/SectionFS.html |
| 14:21.48 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: probably monday |
| 14:22.19 | g1powermac_PB | k, also don't forget to throw in the replacement bluetooth module too :-) |
| 14:22.33 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea, will do |
| 14:22.41 | g1powermac_PB | thanks :-) |
| 14:22.54 | prpplague | solar: yea, i've been tinkering with putting a hammer module inside an altoids can |
| 14:23.31 | solar | it's so fitting :) |
| 14:23.40 | prpplague | solar: just trying to get a feel for what you are wanting |
| 14:24.08 | prpplague | solar: i thought about lay'n out a small board for LWE to have the hammer inside of |
| 14:24.11 | solar | solar pwoered jack hammer with a touchscreen :) |
| 14:24.25 | prpplague | hehe, little too much current draw for that, hehe |
| 14:24.32 | solar | probably |
| 14:24.45 | prpplague | i'll look some more today as i have time |
| 14:24.55 | solar | oh yeah? finished those drivers ? |
| 14:25.07 | prpplague | uh yea, riiiigggghhhttt |
| 14:25.16 | prpplague | i have about 4 more to do before monday |
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| 14:30.38 | chouimat|work | mornng |
| 14:30.52 | solar | prpplague: Last year at LWE we had one of these. It was funny how many ppl came to the booth to talk about the device and really did not care about the distro. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8424940918.html |
| 14:31.07 | solar | prpplague: was also funny how many attempted to buy the device right there on the spot. |
| 14:31.36 | chouimat|work | solar: look nice |
| 14:31.52 | prpplague | solar: ahh cute |
| 14:32.19 | prpplague | solar: hehe, LWE people said we could sell at the conference |
| 14:32.29 | solar | then do it. |
| 14:32.39 | solar | hell I'll sell for ya. Gimme bulk discount |
| 14:32.59 | prpplague | solar: we are, got everything setup to do cc's and such |
| 14:33.28 | CosmicPenguin | hah - au1500 |
| 14:33.34 | CosmicPenguin | I be amused |
| 14:35.50 | solar | I'll be at OSCON next month. |
| 14:36.26 | solar | LWE. And wrapping up the year with probably VoiceCon |
| 14:36.35 | CosmicPenguin | no LPC? |
| 14:37.01 | solar | Any asterisks gurus need a job? I spend about $28,000 a month on voip. |
| 14:37.14 | CosmicPenguin | pokes file |
| 14:37.51 | solar | CosmicPenguin: LPC = linux plubmer conf? |
| 14:38.19 | insearchof | solar: I remember that |
| 14:38.23 | insearchof | lol |
| 14:38.48 | CosmicPenguin | solar: yes |
| 14:38.57 | insearchof | ohh kergoth, g1powermac_PB goodmorning/afternoon |
| 14:39.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd love to go to LPC, but i doubt i'll have the funds |
| 14:39.55 | g1powermac_PB | morning insearchof |
| 14:39.59 | prpplague | guess i should really go just to do some networking |
| 14:40.15 | prpplague | seeing how i'll probably looking for a job in the near future |
| 14:40.31 | insearchof | LPC is cheap comparied to OSCON |
| 14:41.08 | prpplague | insearchof: plane ticket from dfw to seatac isn't cheap |
| 14:41.09 | insearchof | well OSCON with the sessions |
| 14:41.17 | insearchof | dfw? |
| 14:41.22 | prpplague | dallas/ft.worth |
| 14:41.51 | solar | I probably wont make LPC. Has it been a worthwhile one in the past? |
| 14:41.53 | insearchof | ahhh... plane ticket from HIA (Harrisburg, PA) or BWI (Baltimore, MD) isnt cheap either |
| 14:42.00 | prpplague | solar: first year |
| 14:42.13 | chouimat|work | prpplague: probably cheaper going via NYC |
| 14:42.13 | prpplague | insearchof: lot cheaper than from dfw |
| 14:42.29 | insearchof | :-) |
| 14:42.52 | insearchof | I would really like to go to both OSCON and LPC |
| 14:42.57 | prpplague | insearchof: dfw is like a no mans land for plane travel |
| 14:42.58 | insearchof | but my company wont pay for it |
| 14:43.19 | solar | BWI->PDX should not be more than $600 round trip if you plan ahead. |
| 14:43.54 | prpplague | solar: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9019399632.html |
| 14:44.04 | prpplague | insearchof: i'm in the same boat |
| 14:44.21 | prpplague | insearchof: on sales staff get to go to conferences which doesn't make a bit of sense to me |
| 14:44.46 | prpplague | checks prices |
| 14:44.55 | insearchof | haha, yea, my company wont let me know because it isnt "Redhat" specific |
| 14:45.14 | insearchof | <~~ I support redhat, but I'm not a fan |
| 14:46.09 | solar | I tell my work these events are about networking. It's all about meeting ppl and looking for new hires. |
| 14:46.54 | solar | The more you learn. The more you can apply it to the working environment |
| 14:47.46 | prpplague | solar: yea, that doesn't work with my boss, more knowledge == more pay, in his mind which is totally silly |
| 14:49.16 | drath | prpplague: pong |
| 14:50.00 | prpplague | drath: hey, the large block nand flash support in the main tree for openocd has a few bugs, nothing major, shall i send you the patches directly? |
| 14:50.57 | drath | prpplague: patches to the list are prefered, but if that's a problem for you just send them to me directly |
| 14:51.28 | prpplague | drath: oh ok, not a fan of mailing lists, but i'll send it there |
| 14:51.45 | prpplague | drath: whats the policy on providing sample .cfg files? |
| 14:52.08 | prpplague | drath: a couple of people asked why openocd doesn't have a default hammer.cfg included, so i was thinking of submitting it |
| 14:53.33 | solar | I really like mine with the blinking leds before shutdown. Really helps to know when to begin the reconnect cycle. |
| 15:03.47 | drath | prpplague: we have a target library that's supposed to hold config snippets for boards, jtag interfaces, etc. |
| 15:05.43 | prpplague | drath: right, i didn't know if those were just examples perse or if you were open having other entries |
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| 15:16.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:17.26 | prpplague | solar: i really hate it when i have a dozen ideas to test and tinker with, but have no time to do it |
| 15:18.11 | prpplague | solar: if we put a hammer module in a altoids can, what i/o would you want on it? |
| 15:18.22 | prpplague | solar: a nick? usb hosts? |
| 15:19.21 | agaffney | how about some altoids? :P |
| 15:19.50 | prpplague | solar: http://www.chrisdiclerico.com/2005/01/18/altoids-ipod-battery-pack-v3/ |
| 15:20.05 | prpplague | solar: should be able to use that with the nail with only minor mods |
| 15:21.52 | prpplague | solar: you'd need a 5v regulator, probably use two 9v with an ldo |
| 15:25.13 | solar | 9v with an ldo? |
| 15:26.01 | prpplague | solar: two 9V batteries and then a LDO to regulate it to +5v |
| 15:26.27 | prpplague | solar: or you could use two 18650's |
| 15:26.36 | prpplague | checks to see how well a 18650 fits |
| 15:27.12 | prpplague | oh wow, three 18650's fit in an altoid case |
| 15:27.27 | prpplague | 3.7v at 7800mAh |
| 15:27.58 | prpplague | you could last weeks on that |
| 15:30.28 | solar | maybe a few days with wireless on? |
| 15:30.56 | prpplague | makes a quick calc |
| 15:31.37 | prpplague | solar: around 22hours continuous usage with 802.11 |
| 15:33.04 | solar | want to keep using that head of yours. :) |
| 15:33.21 | prpplague | solar: ?? |
| 15:33.35 | solar | And how well do you think we could keep a batteer charged with a simple http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H1660.html gluded on the top of the tincan |
| 15:33.53 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:34.25 | prpplague | solar: thats pretty low current |
| 15:34.38 | prpplague | looks some more |
| 15:35.27 | prpplague | http://www.hobbyengineering.com/H2202.html |
| 15:36.22 | solar | looks like a 30ma at 37mm x 66mm Solar Cell, 6.7v might be better |
| 15:36.55 | prpplague | yea, thats a little better |
| 15:37.02 | solar | kicks around ideas for fun things todo. |
| 15:37.11 | prpplague | problem is that you are looking at about 330mA draw |
| 15:37.30 | prpplague | which means you aren't offsetting anywhere near enough |
| 15:38.13 | prpplague | solar: i'll look around and see what i can find with a higher current output |
| 15:38.13 | solar | smallest I just found for 330mA http://i9.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/f0/ec/c55c_1_sbl.JPG |
| 15:38.35 | prpplague | solar: wow |
| 15:38.44 | prpplague | solar: how much $$? |
| 15:39.03 | prpplague | that looks to even have a usb connector |
| 15:39.54 | prpplague | runs to get a cup of coffee |
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| 15:40.18 | solar | http://tinyurl.com/6ezjmd was the orig link. |
| 15:40.45 | solar | I'm searching around for pricing. $89 for a 12V at 330.. But that might be a bit of 2x overkill |
| 15:41.42 | solar | http://store.sundancesolar.com/su2wtrch.html I have one of these handy |
| 15:44.12 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:44.35 | solar | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1068027/how_to_build_a_solar_powered_usb_charger/ (what made me think it might be fun to do for the nail) |
| 16:00.55 | prpplague | ds2: the tracball driver is fully functional |
| 16:01.04 | prpplague | ds2: its just doing polling for now |
| 16:01.21 | prpplague | ds2: gonna do an interrupt driven version later |
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| 16:07.00 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 16:07.43 | sunrunner20 | ok, when i know the songs this well time ot find a new album |
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| 16:29.33 | RobotGuy | I need some help with loader and kernel parameters. |
| 16:29.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ask away |
| 16:30.59 | RobotGuy | I know there is .SIZE and a length parameter for the ramdisk size in Platform setup (APEX) and an environment parameter in APEX also. I still don't fully understand how these work together. |
| 16:31.11 | RobotGuy | I think something is wrong with these and my kernel won't boot. |
| 16:31.36 | RobotGuy | This has been my other major stumbling block. |
| 16:32.12 | RobotGuy | How do I figure out the right values for these for a given kernel and rootfs? |
| 16:32.36 | RobotGuy | Oh, and good morning. :) |
| 16:32.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: post your .config for apex, your .config for your kernel, and your boot log |
| 16:33.12 | RobotGuy | OK, hang on while I get that info. |
| 16:40.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://rafb.net/p/dgxeDN79.html |
| 16:42.40 | RobotGuy | I tried to make sure ONLY what I am actually going to use is turned on in the kernel. |
| 16:43.01 | prpplague | looks |
| 16:44.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, lets start by asking, do you want to boot from an initrd or from jffs2 flash? |
| 16:44.18 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right now, just the standard initrd method in ram. |
| 16:44.55 | RobotGuy | I am trying to document all this for the Wiki. |
| 16:48.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, lets start with the fact that the ramdisk is being copied from the wrong location |
| 16:48.56 | RobotGuy | In APEX? |
| 16:49.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 256k(bootloader)+1024k(kernel)=1280k |
| 16:49.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 16:49.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ramdisk area should be 1280k+1024k |
| 16:49.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: assuming your ramdisk is less than 1024k |
| 16:49.43 | RobotGuy | That's the environment setting? |
| 16:50.24 | prpplague | CONFIG_ENV_REGION_RAMDISK="nor:1280k+1024k" |
| 16:50.40 | prpplague | it appears to be set properly in your config |
| 16:50.47 | prpplague | but thats not what is being reported when you boot |
| 16:50.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://rafb.net/p/wb8ssp95.html <-- Shows sizes. |
| 16:51.17 | prpplague | which means you either A) have the wrong apex binary or B) haven't cleared some of the flash |
| 16:51.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok so you need a bigger ramdisk image |
| 16:51.50 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 16:52.48 | RobotGuy | I thought I had bumped that to nor:3072k+1024k |
| 16:52.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are reversing the numbers |
| 16:53.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should be nor:1280k+2048k |
| 16:53.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 0 to 256k bootloader |
| 16:53.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 256k to 1280k kernel |
| 16:54.10 | RobotGuy | OK, I see where I mad my mistake there. |
| 16:54.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 1280k to 3328k ramdisk |
| 16:54.44 | RobotGuy | Is that my only error? |
| 16:55.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you are going to use the 2048k ramdisk you will need to alter your mtd map to match |
| 16:55.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the system size should be changed to 0x00340000 |
| 16:55.48 | RobotGuy | OK, easy to do |
| 16:55.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 0x00340000 == 3328k |
| 16:56.05 | RobotGuy | Got it. :) |
| 16:56.11 | CosmicPenguin | I might be crazy |
| 16:56.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in addition you well need to make sure that your have your openocd ocd script placing the files in the correct address |
| 16:56.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you are |
| 16:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | but isn't there a way to sparsely define an array in C by specifying the index in the define? |
| 16:56.41 | CosmicPenguin | something like struct array myarray[] = { |
| 16:56.50 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.51 | CosmicPenguin | }; |
| 16:56.52 | CosmicPenguin | Or no? |
| 16:56.57 | mnemoc | CosmicPenguin: never seen that |
| 16:57.08 | prpplague | nor i |
| 16:57.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Does the APEX parameter in Platform Setup for ramdisk size need to match the .SIZE value? |
| 16:57.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no they don't have anything to do with each other |
| 16:57.58 | RobotGuy | OK, rebuilding |
| 16:58.19 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin, what would it initialize the other values to? leave part of the array initialized and part uninitialized? |
| 16:58.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the size in the mtd parition is like saying the "size" of a room in a house, the size in apex is like refering to the size of a chest of drawers in that room |
| 16:59.20 | prpplague | goes to lunch |
| 16:59.25 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 16:59.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, so what does that size parameter for the ramdisk in Platform settings actually refer to? |
| 16:59.49 | RobotGuy | Ooops, he's out to lunch. |
| 17:00.50 | RobotGuy | Aren't all penguins crazy? ;) |
| 17:02.27 | CosmicPenguin | by design |
| 17:03.24 | RobotGuy | Now I have to analyze all this information and put it into a form that's understandable for the Wiki. |
| 17:22.34 | prpplague | returns |
| 17:22.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the size of the compressed ramdisk |
| 17:23.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, so that should be closer to 1.3 MB then? |
| 17:24.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in your case 2048k == 0x00200000 |
| 17:24.15 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 17:24.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: remember you told it: nor:1280k+2048k |
| 17:24.50 | RobotGuy | Ahhhhhhh, so the Platform parameter needs to be 2048k also! |
| 17:25.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you coping a max size of 2048k you need to tell the kernel that it is going to be a max size of 2048k |
| 17:26.39 | RobotGuy | I'm not sure I understand that. |
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| 17:28.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you copy a ramdisk of a size 2048k to sdram, and the kernel thinks that the max size of the compressed ramdisk is going be 1024k, it will not allocate enough memory to deal with the image |
| 17:28.18 | RobotGuy | BRB while I get some food and such - head is hurting and getting some confusion |
| 17:44.56 | RobotGuy | OK, back. Better now. |
| 17:47.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I understand the kernel having to know the size of the ramdisk image. Now, there is the parameter in Block Devices where the default ramdisk size it set. Is that what you are talking about? |
| 17:48.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nope |
| 17:48.36 | prpplague | one sec phone |
| 17:48.40 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 17:49.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the ramdisk option under block devices is the _uncompressed_ size |
| 17:49.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's what I thought, and that's what I have been setting it to. |
| 17:50.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ?? |
| 17:50.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The uncompressed size of the rootfs image. |
| 17:50.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there should be no need to change that max size |
| 17:50.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: default should be 8mb |
| 17:51.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is your uncompress image larger that 8mb? |
| 17:51.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It was defaulting to 10240 in my setup. |
| 17:51.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, it's less than that |
| 17:51.31 | prpplague | genreally 8mb is plenty |
| 17:51.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I always keep under that size. |
| 17:52.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then just set the ramdisk size to 8mb and leave it |
| 17:52.14 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 17:52.46 | RobotGuy | I still think there is a missing link in my understanding but am not sure where. |
| 17:53.30 | solar | RobotGuy: you still trying to jffs2 root? |
| 17:54.30 | RobotGuy | solar: No, not yet. Got to get a handle on the initrd stuff first. |
| 17:56.46 | solar | ok. but you don't really need all that. Just gotta make the .jffs2 file from your ROOT. |
| 17:56.52 | solar | How big is your runtime anyway? |
| 17:56.58 | RobotGuy | After I get this down where I really understand it, then I will go into the JFFS2 on Flash because I can get Python in there. |
| 17:57.52 | RobotGuy | I really need at least 64 MB of flash for my robot. |
| 17:58.05 | solar | The defaults that ship with the nail are nearly perfect. Then the updated apex.config I posted for you is the exact match for the kernel. |
| 17:58.07 | RobotGuy | That or I need to have a thumb drive as my rootfs. |
| 17:58.37 | solar | 64M is really alot. I can fix X and lots of apps in a much smaller space |
| 17:59.18 | RobotGuy | solar: I need a native toolchain for the installation of some of the Python stuff I have to have. |
| 18:00.39 | solar | RobotGuy: sounds like you should be using nfsroot to build up some pkgs if you need native toolchain, then take those bins/py files and put them into your firmware image when all done building |
| 18:01.14 | RobotGuy | I don't have networking from Nail yet. |
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| 18:01.57 | RobotGuy | I need a new USB hub so I can connect both my thumb drive and my USB cable for gadget ethernet |
| 18:03.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hub for your pc? |
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| 18:03.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, for Nail. |
| 18:03.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't understand |
| 18:04.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I need to connect more than one USB device to Nail/Hammer. |
| 18:04.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thumb drive should just plug into one end |
| 18:04.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It does. |
| 18:04.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what other devices are you connecting to the nail besides the thumbdrive? |
| 18:04.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: USB cable for gadget ethernet. |
| 18:05.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats where you are loosing me |
| 18:05.25 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 18:05.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the usb slave device is connected when you plug in the usb cable |
| 18:05.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So I already have gadget ethernet capability? |
| 18:05.58 | solar | yes |
| 18:06.07 | RobotGuy | Oh! OK. :D |
| 18:06.08 | solar | on your desktop. ifconfig usb0 up |
| 18:06.37 | solar | make sure you have cdc_ether in the kernel of both the nail and your desktop. |
| 18:07.15 | solar | but with that wireless usb. You could do all your devel w/o have to reflash it for months |
| 18:07.41 | RobotGuy | I have cdc_ether and usbnet loaded on the PC, but no usb0 network device comes up. |
| 18:08.12 | RobotGuy | I can't connect both my thumb drive and my usb wifi adapter. |
| 18:08.25 | solar | not w/o a hub right |
| 18:08.41 | solar | I don't think the hammer itself can do a second usb |
| 18:08.55 | ds2 | IIRC, it can, but you loose the gadget port |
| 18:08.57 | RobotGuy | solar: It can do two USB Host. |
| 18:09.11 | RobotGuy | ds2: Not true as far as I know. |
| 18:09.33 | ds2 | I'll deferer to the Authority :) |
| 18:09.42 | RobotGuy | ds2: I don' |
| 18:10.06 | ds2 | RobotGuy: I mean prpplague |
| 18:10.11 | RobotGuy | ds2: I don't claim to be any authority, just saying what I know to be true so far, which could require a correction. |
| 18:10.27 | prpplague | ds2: the s3c2410 has two USB ports, 1 is a dedicated USB hosts device |
| 18:10.39 | prpplague | ds2: the other can be configured as either a usb device or usb host |
| 18:10.43 | ds2 | see? :) |
| 18:10.56 | ds2 | so you can give up the gadget port for a second host |
| 18:11.17 | prpplague | ds2: but on the nail board it is hardwired for 1 usb host and 1 usb device |
| 18:11.22 | RobotGuy | Yeah, OK, I was partly wrong there. Corrected. |
| 18:11.30 | solar | I don't think it has enough pins. I see DN0 DP0 DN1 DP1 only. |
| 18:11.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you need to turn on the cdc_ether gadget driver |
| 18:11.38 | ds2 | ah I see |
| 18:12.07 | RobotGuy | solar: On one USB port the slave and host is wire ored together. I think that is right. |
| 18:12.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have that configured on Nail. |
| 18:13.13 | prpplague | solar: dn0/dp0 are usb host only, dn1/dp1 can be configured as either host or device |
| 18:13.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: same kernel config as the one you posted earlier? |
| 18:13.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, so they are really not two sets of pins, one for host and one for slave then, right? |
| 18:14.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes. I just had to turn on usbfs. |
| 18:14.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok so its working? |
| 18:14.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Seems to be working now. :) |
| 18:15.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea there are 4 pins total, 2 for the usb host, and 2 for the host/device |
| 18:15.09 | RobotGuy | I had to correct a typo in my inittab, but all seems good now. |
| 18:15.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, OK, got it now. |
| 18:16.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can I stull connect a USB Hub to Nail, given it is using some USB device endpoints internally? |
| 18:19.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: only if it is a self powered hub |
| 18:19.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It would be for development purposes. |
| 18:20.13 | prpplague | yea as long as it is self powered |
| 18:20.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That reminds me, do you want this other dead Hammer back to test? |
| 18:20.48 | RobotGuy | It is either bricked or dead. I don't know which. |
| 18:21.03 | RobotGuy | And I don't know how it happened. |
| 18:22.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea you can send it back for me to test |
| 18:22.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I'll do that the first of the month then. |
| 18:22.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the other one you sent back appears to have been an overcurrent on one of the gpios |
| 18:22.42 | solar | RobotGuy: if you can find a way to power it. I'm kinda fond of these. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=158910 |
| 18:22.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which supports my theory about your kernel config |
| 18:22.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Interesting. |
| 18:22.55 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:23.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there a non-Belkin brand hub you would recommend? |
| 18:23.54 | prpplague | solar: Package Includes: |
| 18:23.54 | prpplague | Belkin Hi-Speed USB 2.0 7-Port Hub |
| 18:23.54 | prpplague | Power Adapter |
| 18:23.54 | prpplague | 5-Pin Mini B USB Cable |
| 18:23.54 | prpplague | User Manual |
| 18:24.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: they are all just usb hub chips to me |
| 18:24.35 | prpplague | solar: says it ships with a wall-wart |
| 18:24.43 | solar | prpplague: yep. I have two of them. They can stack on each other |
| 18:24.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What theory was that? |
| 18:25.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh what? |
| 18:25.05 | solar | I picked mine up at the local frys |
| 18:25.08 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, maybe Belkin is OK then. |
| 18:25.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Your theory about my kernel config. |
| 18:25.25 | prpplague | solar: ok ok, i thought you were unsure about it being self powered |
| 18:25.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that you had one of the gpios that should have been an input configured for an output |
| 18:26.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I still can't figure out how that happened, but it must have somehow. |
| 18:26.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It would have to have been done by some kernel driver. |
| 18:27.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or via usage of devmem |
| 18:27.59 | solar | RobotGuy: if size matters. this one is alot smaller. http://sewelldirect.com/usb2hub.asp |
| 18:28.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I had not used devmem |
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| 18:28.36 | prpplague | solar: i just get mine from biglots |
| 18:28.51 | prpplague | usually get them for around $5 |
| 18:29.50 | prpplague | ha this is the exact one from biglots - http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=NET10236 |
| 18:29.56 | solar | $5 powered? thats a pretty good deal |
| 18:30.19 | prpplague | solar: no these are bus powered |
| 18:30.33 | prpplague | solar: but i usually just solder on a +5v wall-wart |
| 18:32.19 | RobotGuy | I like that 4 port hub - would be easy to carry that with me when I take Nail out and about. |
| 18:34.18 | solar | for the $5 extra (but savings in time) I'd opt for the $15 one thats already powered |
| 18:34.39 | ds2 | beware, some of those hubs are not quite fully compliant |
| 18:34.45 | RobotGuy | I like the two power option - bus or self. |
| 18:35.19 | ds2 | I have 2 that looks the same (except for printing on the case), one does weird things with power and the other does not |
| 18:35.27 | ds2 | one came from surpluscomputers and the other came from geeks.com |
| 18:35.47 | RobotGuy | OK, my Nail is operational with kernel 2.6.26-rc7 now. :D Got thumb drive and gadget ethernet configured. |
| 18:35.56 | RobotGuy | And have the flash accessible too. |
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| 18:37.22 | solar | see and just yesterday you got all pissy w/ embedded. One day later everything just came together. thats cool |
| 18:39.53 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes, I know. I get really frustrated real easy these days. :( |
| 18:40.18 | prpplague | sjhill: you alive? |
| 18:40.28 | RobotGuy | It's really hard for me to force myself to let go of something when it isn't working. |
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| 18:42.45 | prpplague | davidc__: greetings |
| 18:43.04 | prpplague | davidc__: any fun hacks on the agenda ? |
| 18:43.22 | davidc__ | heya prpplague |
| 18:43.37 | davidc__ | prpplague - gonna be hacking on the roku soundbridge in the near future |
| 18:43.47 | davidc__ | seems like a cool device, running linux on a blackfin |
| 18:43.56 | davidc__ | but I want more customizability than their thing offers |
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| 18:44.37 | prpplague | ahh fun |
| 18:48.06 | solar | waits for the bfin with MMU's to come out |
| 18:55.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Now I want to transition to using JFFS2 as the rootfs on flash. My JFFS2 image is 2.1 MB, so I need to change some parameters, right? Like the nor: 1280k+2048k should be changed? |
| 18:55.20 | prpplague | one sec |
| 18:55.24 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 18:55.42 | RobotGuy | Wait, that only applies to an initrd. |
| 18:55.49 | RobotGuy | thinks |
| 18:55.55 | prpplague | yea that only applies to initrd |
| 18:56.11 | prpplague | no need to change anything other than tell apex not to copy the initrd on boot |
| 18:56.27 | prpplague | you can either do that with the setenv command or change the default binary |
| 18:56.33 | RobotGuy | OK, disabled the ramdisk options in APEX |
| 18:57.24 | prpplague | no need |
| 18:57.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just tell it not to copy the initrd |
| 18:58.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Disabling ramdisk options accomplishes the same thing, right? |
| 18:59.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can do that, but no sense having to recompile apex every time you make changes |
| 19:00.48 | solar | http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/apex-1.5.6-jffsroot.config |
| 19:01.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Everything is automatically rebuilt anyway, with my wrapper scripts, so it's no big deal. :) |
| 19:01.44 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 19:02.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have automated everything for myself, as much as possible. :) |
| 19:02.34 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 19:02.44 | prpplague | sjhill: ping me when you got a second |
| 19:12.28 | insearchof | prpplague: Ping-a-roo |
| 19:12.37 | prpplague | insearchof: pong |
| 19:12.46 | insearchof | do you us yaffs2? |
| 19:12.48 | insearchof | use* |
| 19:13.05 | prpplague | nothing in production yet |
| 19:13.13 | prpplague | we are looking at it for a new handheld |
| 19:13.23 | insearchof | ahhh.. what distro do you code for? |
| 19:13.55 | insearchof | if I may ask |
| 19:14.23 | solar | prpplague uses buildroot |
| 19:14.32 | MothaWork | hum, anyone know if attribute aligned is acceptable on a variable on the stack? |
| 19:14.42 | MothaWork | I'd think it would be |
| 19:15.02 | prpplague | right now, i'm testing with poky |
| 19:15.09 | prpplague | on oe variant |
| 19:15.19 | insearchof | aha, how you ever heard of pdaXrom? |
| 19:15.41 | prpplague | name sounds familiar but i'm not placing it |
| 19:15.51 | insearchof | I'm a core dev for that group |
| 19:16.08 | insearchof | we dev for Sharp Zaurus |
| 19:16.53 | prpplague | ahh nice |
| 19:16.57 | prpplague | looking at it now |
| 19:17.24 | prpplague | drath: any way to add the flyswatter to the list of supported devices on the openocd pages? |
| 19:17.29 | insearchof | I'm looking at moving to yaffs from jffs2, as of now it isn't part of the kernel tree, but I was just wondering how stable it is |
| 19:18.12 | prpplague | insearchof: i've had good performance with it on nor flash, the performance on nand has been spotty |
| 19:18.31 | prpplague | in you use OE for your builds? |
| 19:18.35 | insearchof | no |
| 19:18.44 | insearchof | ptxdist |
| 19:18.52 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:19.05 | prpplague | insearchof: http://www.elinux.org/M8050 |
| 19:19.38 | prpplague | insearchof: 240x320 display support? |
| 19:19.45 | insearchof | that is the device you are working on? |
| 19:19.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:19.56 | insearchof | Zaurus is 640x480 |
| 19:19.59 | insearchof | native |
| 19:20.08 | ds2 | insearchof: it works but you might have to change the defaults away from the verbose settings |
| 19:20.10 | mnemoc | dreams on working on something like that |
| 19:20.56 | ds2 | insearchof: why move away from jffs2? doesn't that break sharprom compat? |
| 19:21.01 | insearchof | looks cool, looks bulky though |
| 19:21.10 | mnemoc | wash cars : |
| 19:21.14 | insearchof | We dont use the sharp bootloader |
| 19:21.36 | ds2 | what device is this rom for? sounds like you've dropped collie and poodle |
| 19:22.18 | insearchof | well... collie and poodle is 5x00? |
| 19:22.28 | ds2 | yeah 5500 and 5600 |
| 19:22.45 | insearchof | alright, yea, due to rom space, and device avaliablity |
| 19:22.55 | insearchof | I only have 1000, and 3100 |
| 19:23.01 | ds2 | AFAIk, they don't use a boot loader which is why I came to that conclusion; only clam shell ones had the bootloader |
| 19:23.10 | insearchof | I'm going to be getting a tosa |
| 19:23.20 | prpplague | insearchof: yea big battery, and stangely enough most commercial companies won't buy a handheld that is too small, they want something that the employees won't be tempted to steal because it is "cool" |
| 19:23.22 | ds2 | tosa is? |
| 19:23.35 | insearchof | 6000 |
| 19:23.53 | ds2 | oh lucky you :P how much are you paying? |
| 19:23.57 | insearchof | 0 |
| 19:24.00 | insearchof | :-) |
| 19:24.02 | ds2 | @#$%#$@#%$ |
| 19:24.14 | insearchof | the communitiy is going to donate one to the project |
| 19:24.26 | ds2 | the 6000 w/WiFi and bluetooth is so hard to find at a reasonable price |
| 19:24.30 | insearchof | we dropped dev for it once we move to 2.6 kernel (same with 5x00) |
| 19:25.17 | insearchof | but now I promised I would start doing dev for it again |
| 19:25.44 | insearchof | and they are going to purchase one at pretty reasonable price |
| 19:25.51 | insearchof | ds2: I didnt know the 6000 have BT |
| 19:25.59 | insearchof | I knew the 6000L had wifi |
| 19:26.04 | insearchof | but I didnt think BT |
| 19:32.17 | prpplague | insearchof: yaffs2 i think is still a little way from going into a production device |
| 19:32.31 | prpplague | insearchof: jffs2 is plenty stable for us |
| 19:40.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am trying to transition to JFFS2 on flash now. |
| 19:40.37 | prpplague | ok |
| 19:42.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: For this "erase nor:1280k+0xEC0000" command, do I subtract 0x340000 from 16 MB? |
| 19:43.05 | prpplague | uh what? |
| 19:43.08 | prpplague | one sec phone |
| 19:43.35 | insearchof | RobotGuy: transition to jffs2 from what? |
| 19:43.40 | insearchof | ext2? |
| 19:44.15 | insearchof | holy balls! how long does it take to format a partition solaris! |
| 19:44.18 | RobotGuy | insearchof: From using an initrd in ram to JFFS2 on flash. |
| 19:44.29 | insearchof | ahhh |
| 19:58.04 | prpplague | really hates mailing lists |
| 19:58.11 | prpplague | i find them totally useless |
| 20:00.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, so what is you are doing now? |
| 20:00.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: In this "erase nor:1280k+0xEC0000" command, the 0xEC0000 value is supposed to be the total flash minus what is used for the kernel and bootloader. |
| 20:01.10 | prpplague | ok |
| 20:01.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Preparing the flash partition. |
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| 20:01.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you change the size of the system partition in the kernel? |
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| 20:02.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You had me change it to 0x340000 |
| 20:02.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: for an initrd |
| 20:02.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you are going to put your jffs2 to 1280k , you have to make sure the values match |
| 20:02.58 | RobotGuy | I don't know what value you want |
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| 20:03.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you going to load your jffs2 image at 1280k ? |
| 20:04.07 | RobotGuy | I don't know. :( |
| 20:04.21 | RobotGuy | All these values and addresses confuse me |
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| 20:04.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, lets assume you are going to load it at 1280k based on your erase command |
| 20:05.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then the size in the mtd map needs to be 0x00140000 |
| 20:05.33 | RobotGuy | I am not sure the 1280k value is correct anymore. |
| 20:05.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you turn off initrd support in the kernel? |
| 20:06.01 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 20:06.15 | prpplague | Ragnor: did you turn off initrd support in apex? |
| 20:06.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oops that was for you |
| 20:06.31 | RobotGuy | Yes, did that also. |
| 20:07.00 | prpplague | ok, and your openocd script, what does the line look like where you flash the jffs2 image |
| 20:07.12 | prpplague | or are flashing it from apex? |
| 20:08.28 | RobotGuy | flash from apex? |
| 20:08.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you following the instructions on the jffs2 howto ? |
| 20:08.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: from the wiki? |
| 20:08.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah |
| 20:08.46 | prpplague | ok then |
| 20:08.52 | RobotGuy | I may need to update that |
| 20:09.36 | RobotGuy | I wrote that based on what we did awhile back. |
| 20:09.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i edited it |
| 20:09.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its correct |
| 20:10.04 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 20:10.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you set the size according to whats on the page? it says to set it to 0x00140000 |
| 20:10.47 | RobotGuy | I have .SIZE set to the 0x340000 you told me for the initrd earlier. |
| 20:10.59 | RobotGuy | I will change it. |
| 20:11.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 0x00340000 was for your initrd configuration |
| 20:11.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when you change one size you have to make sure they all agree |
| 20:12.39 | RobotGuy | Changed |
| 20:13.16 | prpplague | ok if you follow the directions(the ones you wrote i might add) it will work |
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| 20:14.35 | RobotGuy | OK, cool. |
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| 20:22.40 | prpplague | ds2: were you planning to use the trackball as a mouse, your just directional keys? |
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| 20:35.17 | ds2 | prpplague: more of direction keys but I can deal with mouse |
| 20:35.47 | prpplague | ds2: for just direction keys you just use the gpio_keys |
| 20:35.59 | prpplague | ds2: takes about 5 minutes to setup |
| 20:36.18 | ds2 | does gpio_keys take care of debouncing or is hardware expected to do that? |
| 20:36.35 | prpplague | ds2: yea it takes care of all that |
| 20:36.49 | ds2 | Oh? that is good to know |
| 20:38.13 | ds2 | hopes to get the weekend of the 4th free to mess with projects |
| 20:38.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I almost have a completely working JFFS2 setup now. Just had to make some tweaks to my inittab, |
| 20:39.09 | prpplague | good deal |
| 20:39.25 | ds2 | prpplague: how well does that thing work as a "mouse" in X? |
| 20:39.57 | prpplague | ds2: not too bad at all, looking at how to tweak the acceleration now |
| 20:40.24 | ds2 | prplague: is it able to do a drag and drop? |
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| 20:41.35 | prpplague | ds2: yea, but i wouldn't want to do much of that |
| 20:41.49 | ds2 | prpplague: one thought would be to have one of those on a Open Pandora device as the mouse |
| 20:42.01 | ds2 | or even on a beagle |
| 20:42.18 | ds2 | since touch screens a bit tricky to do on the beagle given what it brings out |
| 20:43.40 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:44.21 | ds2 | (sorry, no immediate hammer applications for it... lack of a easy to install display hampers that) |
| 20:45.45 | RobotGuy | Pandora is all Open Source for software, isn't it? |
| 20:45.52 | ds2 | suppose to be |
| 20:46.23 | ds2 | I wouldn't mind if it is capable of running some of the commercial stuff from the Z |
| 20:46.46 | RobotGuy | Is there linux kernel support for the OMAP 3430? |
| 20:46.46 | ds2 | yep |
| 20:46.48 | RobotGuy | GCC support? |
| 20:46.50 | ds2 | and you have a choice of at least 3 different variant of the kernel ;) |
| 20:47.07 | ds2 | yeah... might have to use the free code soursery stuff instead of the FSF release |
| 20:47.09 | RobotGuy | Kernel variants? |
| 20:47.34 | ds2 | yeah... TI has a working Linux kernel; there is the OMAP git tree... then there are various other people |
| 20:47.44 | ds2 | <-- works on the 3430 |
| 20:48.05 | RobotGuy | I've been thinking that the Pandora might be the perfect take a long companion for Hammer/Nail for consoling and such. |
| 20:48.21 | RobotGuy | ds2: What platform uses the 3430? |
| 20:48.30 | ds2 | RobotGuy: You mean boards? |
| 20:48.34 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yes |
| 20:49.03 | ds2 | off the top of my head, there is the TI SDP EVL ($$$$$), there is the EVM ($$$), the Zoom ($$), and the beagle ($) |
| 20:49.24 | ds2 | note that the boards you will find are the 3530 (same chip, from different group) |
| 20:49.27 | RobotGuy | I mean something a poor sod like me might be able to afford. |
| 20:49.33 | ds2 | beagle is $150 |
| 20:54.53 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm, Beagle looks attractive, especially for that kind of power. |
| 20:56.33 | ds2 | I would like a smaller version of it... basically memory + proc + twl4030 going to just pads in a postage stamp size form factor |
| 20:57.16 | prpplague | ds2: yea, we've been talking about doing that similiar to the hammer |
| 20:57.34 | ds2 | prpplague: the size part or? |
| 20:57.56 | prpplague | ds2: sorry didn't understand your question |
| 20:58.25 | ds2 | prpplague: trying to figure out what characteristics were you refering to |
| 20:58.43 | prpplague | "basically memory + proc + twl4030 going to just pads in a postage stamp size form factor" |
| 20:58.50 | Crofton | RobotGuy, wait on the beagle until we get it in better shape :) |
| 20:58.56 | ds2 | just want to make sure |
| 20:59.21 | ds2 | prpplague: just keep the Z height low... I really want a Linux watch ;) |
| 20:59.23 | RobotGuy | Crofton: Oh, I would plan to wait a bit. Just kicking tires right now. |
| 21:00.49 | RobotGuy | imagines having a robot that could handle on board vision processing without having to have an x86 processor |
| 21:01.00 | ds2 | and keep the PM part available... a "watch" requiring a 20lb lead acid battery for 8hours of usage just doesn't cut it ;) |
| 21:03.58 | prpplague | drath: ping |
| 21:04.12 | drath | prpplague: i'll add it during the weekend, ping me again if it isn't there by monday |
| 21:04.37 | prpplague | drath: actually i was going to ask where the example .cfg files are now |
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| 21:06.20 | prpplague^2 | returns |
| 21:06.45 | drath | prpplague: i |
| 21:06.49 | drath | 'm not really sure |
| 21:06.54 | drath | never actually used the target library |
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| 21:07.29 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 21:07.35 | drath | src/target/target/ |
| 21:07.39 | prpplague | ahh found it |
| 21:09.37 | prpplague | drath: any problems with submitting it has just hammer.cfg ? |
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| 21:13.26 | drath | prpplague: just submit what you've got - the target library is Ãyvind's stuff, he'll be able to direct you in the right direction if necessary |
| 21:13.39 | drath | prpplague: i'm off, gn8 |
| 21:13.42 | prpplague | drath: later |
| 21:16.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It boots from JFFS2 on flash now. :) |
| 21:17.18 | prpplague | good deal |
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| 21:20.09 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/25/hackit-the-bronco-table/ |
| 21:21.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Oooooooooooooookay, that's strange. |
| 21:21.12 | g1powermac | hehe :-) |
| 21:25.24 | g1powermac | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx |
| 21:25.28 | g1powermac | now thats strange |
| 21:29.59 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: No kidding! How do things like this happen? |
| 21:30.19 | g1powermac | retrofitting :-) |
| 21:30.47 | g1powermac | we got a few interesting things going on in our store to try to fit more shoes in the same space |
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| 22:16.51 | RobotGuy | Zippity dooo dah |
| 22:29.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
| 22:29.31 | prpplague | pong |
| 22:29.38 | solar | it's a trap |
| 22:29.41 | prpplague | soon to go home |
| 22:29.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: When is the bug where /usr/lib doesn't get created when building a toolchain going to be fixed? |
| 22:30.01 | solar | home. haha I just came back from the pub :) |
| 22:30.09 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 22:30.17 | RobotGuy | solar: Lucky you! |
| 22:30.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: remind me of what that issue is? |
| 22:30.43 | solar | dips out most days for a beer or two after or at lunch |
| 22:31.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: usr/lib is not created when building a toolchain. I always have to create it manually and then restart the build. |
| 22:31.07 | prpplague | solar: boss doesn't mind? |
| 22:31.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its not created where? |
| 22:32.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: /devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot/project_build_arm/walter/root/usr/lib |
| 22:32.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which package is trying to install there? |
| 22:32.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Trying to build a toolchain |
| 22:33.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but there is a specific package that is running |
| 22:33.06 | RobotGuy | libstdcc++ |
| 22:33.22 | prpplague | oh yea, thought that was already fixed |
| 22:33.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not in my copy of buildroot. |
| 22:34.58 | solar | prpplague: not at all. The beers I had last night on your behalf was with about 25% of out exec team. |
| 22:35.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:35.15 | solar | prpplague: infact it was an interview question for me. They wanted to make sure I had a strong stomach |
| 22:35.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:37.05 | prpplague | heads home |
| 22:37.23 | solar | cya |
| 22:37.34 | RobotGuy | He leaves fast |
| 22:38.29 | RobotGuy | Now I have to wait for my toolchain to rebuild before I can see if I can fit the stuff I need into flash. |
| 22:39.18 | solar | gcc in flash? I really hope you are not going to attempt that |
| 22:39.47 | RobotGuy | solar: I know that won't fit. I'd need at least 64 MB of flash to have a native toolchain. |
| 22:41.20 | solar | python will. it can be shunk to about 2M |
| 22:41.32 | solar | shrunk. |
| 22:41.44 | RobotGuy | solar: I am including Python, libxml, and sqlite |
| 22:42.17 | solar | will be fine. Still under the 10M |
| 22:42.48 | RobotGuy | Then I have to add pyserial and django. |
| 22:44.40 | solar | dunno about django. Is that a big pkg? |
| 22:45.07 | RobotGuy | solar: I don't think it's real big. It's a Python web framework. |
| 22:47.46 | solar | is django the one that fails to cross compile? |
| 22:48.46 | RobotGuy | solar: No. It's pure Python a far as I can remember. |
| 22:49.19 | RobotGuy | I think it's the Twisted framework that needed to compile some C/C++ modules. |
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| 23:46.22 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:48.25 | solar | ok. Your turn to drink a beer on my behalf |
| 23:49.49 | prpplague | oh yea |
