| 00:00.19 | RobotGuy | At least not in buildroot |
| 00:00.43 | ds2 | easy enough to add it to hammer |
| 00:00.58 | ds2 | think the gumstix folks have in build root so it can't be too hard to put it in there |
| 00:01.15 | RobotGuy | Gumstix isn |
| 00:01.23 | RobotGuy | tisn't using buildroot anymore |
| 00:01.33 | solar | that would be a neat way to listen to your music boys. Shove the altoids in the pocket. listen to the mono music over the bluetooth headset that you/I and probably 70% of every geeky guy in the bay area seems to be running about with. |
| 00:01.35 | RobotGuy | They switched to OE |
| 00:01.40 | ds2 | let me rephrase it - back when they were, it had it |
| 00:02.07 | ds2 | solar: and if you want to be ambitious, do shoutcast with WiFi |
| 00:02.19 | RobotGuy | solar: If you want to do music, stereo bluetooth is the only way to go. :( A2DP |
| 00:02.20 | ds2 | just work out the RF interference bugs |
| 00:02.39 | RobotGuy | I meant :) ;) not :( |
| 00:03.20 | RobotGuy | You want to fit this into an Altoids tin, right? |
| 00:03.21 | solar | At LWE for him there will probably be no less than 1000 other bluetooth devices comming into contact I'm guessing |
| 00:03.42 | RobotGuy | No effect unless they are paired. |
| 00:03.49 | RobotGuy | Theoretically anyways. |
| 00:04.09 | solar | RobotGuy: "RF interference bugs" <-- |
| 00:04.14 | ds2 | WiFi and BT on the same USB "bus" can have interference |
| 00:04.19 | solar | oh |
| 00:04.22 | ds2 | solar: BT and other BT is fine |
| 00:04.51 | ds2 | I suspect a choke on the power line would solve it but I didn't have time to test that |
| 00:04.54 | solar | no USB wifi can do master mode that we know of? |
| 00:07.46 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - probably ttg |
| 00:08.50 | solar | hrmm. yeah internal bluetooth vs external seems to range quite a bit in price. The sparkfun stuff is all in the $60 range. External BT is like $10 http://store4pc.stores.yahoo.net/bt-usbm.html |
| 00:16.36 | solar | oh geeks.com has a very nice one. Bluetooth v2.0 Class 2 Mini USB Dongle. Does not get in the way with still being functional. http://tinyurl.com/6ll5kj |
| 00:16.50 | RobotGuy | No matter how I do it, my entire jffs2 image is not getting written |
| 00:17.27 | RobotGuy | Go for BT 2.0 class 1 with A2DP. :) |
| 00:17.57 | RobotGuy | This is sucking majorly. :( |
| 00:20.20 | RobotGuy | I have no idea what is wrong. |
| 00:22.06 | solar | prpplague: if you are looking for a name for this. The anvil seems fitting |
| 00:25.51 | RobotGuy | Does it matter that I am having problems with this? Doesn't seem to. |
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| 00:31.17 | prpplague^2 | RobotGuy did you figure out why your rootfs is 105mb? |
| 00:31.34 | RobotGuy | That was a left over from another build |
| 00:31.46 | RobotGuy | The real jffs2 was 25 MB |
| 00:32.01 | RobotGuy | (from du -hs) |
| 00:32.40 | RobotGuy | I tried a go at having my thumb drive as rootfs, but that didn't work |
| 00:33.12 | prpplague^2 | even 25mb is too big |
| 00:33.28 | prpplague^2 | you only have 16mb flash |
| 00:33.29 | prpplague^2 | actually 15 |
| 00:34.04 | prpplague^2 | why don't you just a smaller config for testing |
| 00:34.08 | prpplague^2 | just the min of stuff |
| 00:34.48 | RobotGuy | The jffs2 image comes out to 11 MB |
| 00:35.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea, try making a smaller one for testing |
| 00:41.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will after I get this initrd build setup |
| 00:44.21 | RobotGuy | I gather I can't go by the size of the jffs2 image then. |
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| 00:46.37 | solar | RobotGuy: I'm a little confused why you needed to change the sizes from the example apex.conf I shot over to ya |
| 00:48.56 | RobotGuy | solar: I had to make it work myself. :) |
| 00:49.26 | RobotGuy | Does that make any sense? |
| 00:49.48 | solar | no |
| 00:49.55 | solar | cuz it seems like you are breaking it :p |
| 00:52.14 | RobotGuy | I did make it work. |
| 00:53.13 | solar | oh good times then |
| 00:53.51 | RobotGuy | Sometimes, I just need to hack at something until I get it to work. I guess that doesn't make sense though. |
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| 00:56.58 | RobotGuy | Now I can't make anything work. :( |
| 00:58.57 | RobotGuy | solar: You want to see if you can get into my system and gain root real quick? |
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| 01:30.42 | ds2 | hmmm interesting read... too low of a ESR destablizes a LDO :( |
| 01:37.09 | RobotGuy | bangs his wheelchair controller |
| 01:37.36 | RobotGuy | s/bangs/bangs on/ |
| 01:39.00 | ds2 | uh...errr... |
| 01:39.03 | ds2 | ;) |
| 01:42.29 | RobotGuy | I have to bang on it to get it working so I can move the chair. |
| 01:45.09 | RobotGuy | This whole dang chair needs to be replaced. |
| 01:48.32 | RobotGuy | It's already been replaced 1.2 times. |
| 01:48.51 | RobotGuy | (not counting the seat I sit in) |
| 01:53.08 | RobotGuy | How do I fix this: Unpacking initramfs...<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: no cpio magic |
| 01:58.05 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 02:00.36 | RobotGuy | --- |
| 02:02.27 | sunrunner20 | http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=5689717#post5689717 |
| 02:02.32 | g1powermac_PB | ??? |
| 02:02.42 | sunrunner20 | I love it when people see R and think |
| 02:02.44 | g1powermac_PB | :-) |
| 02:02.44 | sunrunner20 | RESISTOR! |
| 02:03.22 | sunrunner20 | the guy spent time money and effort putting heatsinks on inductors |
| 02:03.23 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 02:03.31 | sunrunner20 | which id highly recomend removing >_> |
| 02:06.12 | sunrunner20 | seriously, 6 50ohm resistors next to a CPU... you think logic would kick in and go "hrm, thats not right |
| 02:06.59 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: where? |
| 02:07.16 | sunrunner20 | regular system or on a hammer or somethign |
| 02:07.16 | RobotGuy | Where what? |
| 02:09.17 | sunrunner20 | see above |
| 02:12.27 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I have no idea what you are referring to. |
| 02:12.39 | sunrunner20 | [20:53:11] <RobotGuy> How do I fix this: Unpacking initramfs...<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: no cpio magic |
| 02:12.54 | RobotGuy | Hammer |
| 02:13.59 | sunrunner20 | i would check to make sure all the rootfs is intact |
| 02:14.28 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Do you know anything about buildroot? |
| 02:14.38 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 02:14.43 | RobotGuy | The rootfs is all one file. |
| 02:14.48 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 02:14.59 | sunrunner20 | but INSIDE the file |
| 02:15.15 | sunrunner20 | theres an entirefilesytem |
| 02:15.22 | sunrunner20 | right? |
| 02:15.31 | RobotGuy | Yes, of course there is. |
| 02:15.43 | RobotGuy | I'm not stupid. |
| 02:16.00 | sunrunner20 | I'm not trying to imply that >_> |
| 02:16.29 | sunrunner20 | somebody could have done something radically crazy I didn't know about |
| 02:16.49 | sunrunner20 | anyway |
| 02:17.02 | sunrunner20 | it sounds like the config to continue the boot sequance is borked |
| 02:18.00 | sunrunner20 | http://kerneltrap.org/node/7426 |
| 02:19.55 | RobotGuy | I can't find where the problem is. |
| 02:20.44 | sunrunner20 | well, considering CPIO is its own entire application it seems |
| 02:22.59 | RobotGuy | I have an init= option |
| 02:24.04 | sunrunner20 | hrm |
| 02:24.12 | sunrunner20 | that could be it |
| 02:25.18 | RobotGuy | What could be it? |
| 02:25.44 | RobotGuy | It's init=/linuxrc |
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| 14:47.25 | solar | rise and shine |
| 15:04.13 | RobotGuy | Uh, what? I am supposed to rise -and- shine? ;) |
| 15:42.42 | chouimat|away | I think I will just get rince ans shine |
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| 15:55.04 | RobotGuy | chouimat: :P |
| 15:55.21 | RobotGuy | solar: Power cycle time? |
| 15:56.10 | RobotGuy | Ooops, wrong window |
| 16:33.04 | prpplague^2 | solar ping |
| 16:35.51 | prpplague^2 | g1powermac_PB ping |
| 16:37.10 | solar | prpplague^2: pong. Hey do you use DIA by chance? I did my own mock ups and I don't see how you plan to fit all these goodies |
| 16:43.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague^2: Greetings |
| 16:45.08 | solar | drive by pinging should be crime |
| 16:45.28 | RobotGuy | Only if you get caught! |
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| 16:53.23 | prpplague^2 | solar hehe yea i used DIA at work |
| 16:53.39 | prpplague^2 | solar we must have a different list of goodies |
| 16:54.14 | prpplague^2 | solar i went by a couple places looking for tins |
| 16:54.24 | prpplague^2 | solar ended up just buying a bunch of altoids |
| 16:54.35 | prpplague^2 | solar but i also for some really cool tin boxes at target |
| 16:55.08 | prpplague^2 | solar they are a little bit larger than the altoids |
| 16:55.18 | prpplague^2 | solar but they have are pretty neat and have a handle |
| 16:55.44 | RobotGuy | A very small lunch pail! |
| 16:56.03 | RobotGuy | s/pail/box/ |
| 16:58.19 | prpplague^2 | RobotGuy yea |
| 17:00.15 | prpplague^2 | target had a ton of variations |
| 17:00.18 | prpplague^2 | all $1 |
| 17:01.15 | sunrunner20 | BITCHEN! |
| 17:01.17 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 17:03.02 | prpplague^2 | solar wasn't a drive by pinging, just had to grab a fresh glass of beer |
| 17:03.06 | prpplague^2 | hehe |
| 17:03.27 | chouimat | hi prpplague^2 |
| 17:04.20 | prpplague^2 | http://www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin7b.html |
| 17:04.24 | prpplague^2 | chouimat hey hey |
| 17:04.28 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague^2: pong |
| 17:05.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hey there! |
| 17:05.24 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 17:06.10 | RobotGuy | I've seen my Nail Board blink LEDs today. |
| 17:06.27 | RobotGuy | I can't take credit for that though. |
| 17:06.44 | prpplague^2 | http://www.sz-wholesale.com/P/Tin-Lunch-Box/Tinplate-lunch-box---51470.html |
| 17:07.06 | solar | prpplague^2: lush.. It's 10am |
| 17:07.37 | RobotGuy | solar: Do you know where Eureka is? |
| 17:07.43 | solar | yeah |
| 17:07.51 | RobotGuy | That's my home town. |
| 17:08.03 | prpplague^2 | solar hehe |
| 17:08.07 | prpplague^2 | solar its saturday |
| 17:08.08 | solar | HBO Eureka? Sweet |
| 17:08.17 | solar | j/k but that would be cool |
| 17:08.38 | RobotGuy | Humboldt County |
| 17:09.08 | adyer | RobotGuy: went there once - middle of summer, middle of the day and foggy as hell :-) |
| 17:09.08 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah. I've got some faimly-in-laws that live there now. |
| 17:09.20 | prpplague^2 | solar have you got a list of items for the board? |
| 17:09.25 | RobotGuy | solar: Cool. |
| 17:09.40 | RobotGuy | I left there when I was just out of high school. |
| 17:11.02 | prpplague^2 | ok so its not much of a choice , but.... pete's wicked ale, pyramid apricot ale, sam adams boston ale, or sierra navada IPA |
| 17:11.20 | solar | prpplague^2: I looked up the dementions on stuff. What I saw mostly was you either want to make a your PCB 1-1/2" x 2-3/4" or a little bigger but rounding the edges |
| 17:11.35 | solar | prpplague^2: got dia at home? |
| 17:11.45 | solar | n/m I can take a pic |
| 17:12.39 | prpplague^2 | solar haven't got dia installed on my laptop atm |
| 17:13.50 | prpplague^2 | so the boss lady will be back tuesday night, if figure if i start now, can work 23 hours at a time, i'll have the house clean by then |
| 17:15.13 | solar | heh nice |
| 17:15.16 | RobotGuy | doesn't have a boss lady |
| 17:15.27 | solar | RobotGuy: take mine. Plz! |
| 17:15.38 | prpplague^2 | and mine, as long as you take the bills with her |
| 17:15.43 | RobotGuy | solar: No thanks. :P |
| 17:15.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague^2: Ditto! |
| 17:16.06 | solar | prpplague^2: http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/Anvil.png |
| 17:16.27 | adyer | prpplague^2: lol, if you have free resouces you could spawn a few tasks in parallel and finish sooner (ie cleaning service :-) |
| 17:17.08 | prpplague^2 | solar 4 device ports? |
| 17:17.15 | prpplague^2 | solar i can only do 1 |
| 17:17.50 | RobotGuy | solar: Where you adding all that RAM and what will it be used for? |
| 17:17.50 | prpplague^2 | solar the combinations are as follows |
| 17:17.59 | prpplague^2 | oh indeed |
| 17:18.06 | prpplague^2 | solar 128mb ram? |
| 17:18.28 | prpplague^2 | A) 1 device and 1 host |
| 17:18.41 | RobotGuy | Is this going to be something like Nail with more RAM and Flash? |
| 17:18.45 | prpplague^2 | B) 1 device , 1 host, plus a 4 port hub |
| 17:18.55 | prpplague^2 | C) 2 hosts |
| 17:19.12 | prpplague^2 | D) 2 hosts, 2 two port hubs |
| 17:19.23 | prpplague^2 | E) 2 hosts, 4 four port hubs |
| 17:20.05 | prpplague^2 | technically i could do a F) 1 device, 1 host, 1 two port hub |
| 17:20.12 | prpplague^2 | but that really doesn't make much sense |
| 17:20.17 | RobotGuy | I like B - decent compromise. |
| 17:20.35 | prpplague^2 | RobotGuy yea thats what i had planned |
| 17:20.56 | prpplague^2 | solar you still set on using two AA's to power the thing inside the box? |
| 17:21.08 | prpplague^2 | solar i thought we decided to use an external power connector |
| 17:21.17 | prpplague^2 | solar that way you could put the power into another case |
| 17:21.22 | prpplague^2 | solar if you wanted to |
| 17:21.40 | prpplague^2 | of course with these lunchbox style cases, we'd have plenty of room |
| 17:22.10 | RobotGuy | How much flash will this have? |
| 17:22.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy same as before, its just a hammer module |
| 17:22.43 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 17:22.44 | prpplague | all i'm doing is a carrier board |
| 17:26.03 | prpplague | i bought ten of the little lunchbox cases |
| 17:26.17 | RobotGuy | I wish there was enough space on the Hammer-RDP to add the Flyswatter stuff. |
| 17:28.22 | RobotGuy | I just got a really cool idea for Sledge, but it would definitely require an S3C2440A. |
| 17:29.22 | solar | prpplague: Yeah I just don't see how the two could fit in there. External power seems only choice to fit all the googies in a single carrier. |
| 17:29.58 | mnemoc | RobotGuy: what about placing a protoboard next to it? :-) |
| 17:30.59 | RobotGuy | mnemoc: Generally, I am against adding prototyping space. That should be left to a carrier or stack board. |
| 17:31.25 | RobotGuy | I prefer to have a smaller overall board. |
| 17:31.34 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:32.07 | solar | prpplague: And no. I don't see the need for all those USB ports. imo two-usb-client and one mini-usb-host port would be perfect |
| 17:32.44 | solar | prpplague: But I only wrote down what I was recalling from memory of what you said you wanted to put on there. Excluding leds. |
| 17:32.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy add the flyswatter stuff to the rdp doesn't make much sense |
| 17:33.04 | solar | also for external power/usb ports. I like them on the ends vs facing you. |
| 17:33.30 | prpplague | solar i can only do one 1 usb client |
| 17:33.35 | solar | cuz when it's open you wont want wires in your stomach area. running along the desk sideways wins |
| 17:33.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Maybe. I will need to have it on my robot though. |
| 17:33.42 | prpplague | solar the question is why would you want more than one? |
| 17:34.53 | solar | client is the usb A-type connector right? |
| 17:35.56 | prpplague | solar don't think of it as connectors, thing ok it as master/slave |
| 17:36.12 | prpplague | solar i.e master would the pc, and what your plug into it as slave |
| 17:36.37 | prpplague | solar the nail has 1 device and 1 host |
| 17:36.44 | prpplague | the device side is what plugs into the pc |
| 17:36.53 | prpplague | thats a usb-B connector |
| 17:37.02 | prpplague | the host side is on the other end |
| 17:37.09 | prpplague | its a usb-A connector |
| 17:37.49 | prpplague | for instance a 4 port usb hub will have 1 usb-b connector and 4 usb-a connectors |
| 17:38.11 | prpplague | or most will |
| 17:38.11 | solar | so I'm after 2 or more A-types :) |
| 17:38.18 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:38.41 | solar | and 1 miniusbto replace the B-type |
| 17:38.41 | prpplague | A) 1 device and 1 host |
| 17:38.48 | prpplague | B) 1 device , 1 host, plus a 4 port hub |
| 17:38.55 | prpplague | C) 2 hosts |
| 17:39.01 | prpplague | D) 2 hosts, 2 two port hubs |
| 17:39.08 | prpplague | E) 2 hosts, 4 four port hubs |
| 17:40.01 | solar | are these possible configuration options? |
| 17:40.04 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:40.42 | solar | D would be neat. But B seems more fitting? |
| 17:40.49 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:40.53 | solar | E would be kickass but would leave us 0 room I'd think |
| 17:41.04 | prpplague | yep |
| 17:41.23 | solar | still B is 6 ports total? |
| 17:41.41 | solar | that I'd think would weaken the structure of the carrier case with what much cutting |
| 17:41.43 | prpplague | solar no five |
| 17:41.52 | prpplague | the host port plugs into the 4 port hub |
| 17:42.35 | prpplague | you could do 2 external and 2 internal |
| 17:43.41 | solar | prpplague: can you use miniusb vs the B connector? If so can you make use of the 5th wire? |
| 17:44.05 | prpplague | sorry did not understand you question |
| 17:44.20 | solar | I'll reword |
| 17:45.36 | solar | Ok right now the Nail uses the fullsize usb-B connector to talk to the PC. Vs using that connector I'm wondering if we can use the Mini-B |
| 17:46.03 | prpplague | right |
| 17:46.10 | RobotGuy | solar: Why do you prefer the mini-USB instead of type B USB? Type B is more prevalent. |
| 17:46.12 | solar | cuz the B connector is nearly the same size as an ethX jack |
| 17:46.37 | RobotGuy | Oh, that would be the slave USB, right? |
| 17:46.41 | solar | and the case is small. So the smaller the hole we put in it the better it's structure should hold up |
| 17:46.42 | prpplague | solar yea i could use the mini-b, its just a little more expensive |
| 17:48.23 | prpplague | yea for the altoid case the less holes the better |
| 17:48.42 | solar | prpplague: then the point was. That most mini-usb-b-type(if not all) seem to have a 5th wire |
| 17:49.06 | prpplague | 5th wire? |
| 17:49.15 | prpplague | is not aware of this |
| 17:49.17 | prpplague | googles |
| 17:49.31 | solar | I think but am not sure. But it might be for AC power(maybe faster charging) vs USB power(5V). |
| 17:49.52 | solar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Types-usb.svg |
| 17:50.38 | prpplague | yea looking now, thats mainly used for an ID |
| 17:52.11 | prpplague | solar i'll have to read up on that portion of the USB hardware specification |
| 17:52.29 | prpplague | i was not aware of that due to the fact we dont use usb mini's in any of our device |
| 17:52.30 | prpplague | s |
| 17:53.29 | prpplague | yea looks like thats just to ID different variations in a model |
| 17:54.21 | prpplague | ahh yea, mainly used for "dumb" usb chargers |
| 17:54.32 | prpplague | where the charger doesn't talk to the usb device |
| 17:54.45 | prpplague | just so that it knows that a device is plugged in |
| 17:55.04 | prpplague | solar what did you have in mind using it for? |
| 17:55.23 | prpplague | solar you could use that as your external power source input |
| 17:55.24 | solar | It's the same connector on every smartphone :) |
| 17:55.36 | prpplague | but you'd be limited to around 500mA |
| 17:56.01 | prpplague | which really isn't a problem unless you are using some heavy duty wireless |
| 17:56.15 | prpplague | solar right |
| 17:56.17 | solar | prpplague: hrmm |
| 17:56.33 | prpplague | solar think of it this way |
| 17:56.42 | prpplague | solar when you plug your smart phone into a pc |
| 17:56.45 | prpplague | solar via the usb port |
| 17:57.04 | solar | sounds like it would be limited only chaining one device off it it when powered up then. |
| 17:57.11 | prpplague | solar the pc talks to the smart phone and then understands that the phone is attached and what the requirements are for charging |
| 17:57.46 | prpplague | solar a charger on the other hand, has no smarts to talk to the device port on the smartphone |
| 17:57.59 | prpplague | solar so it needs to know on some very low level when the phone is plugged in |
| 17:58.13 | prpplague | solar thats what the pinX is for |
| 17:58.25 | prpplague | solar sorry did not understand your statement |
| 17:59.33 | prpplague | solar sometimes i'm very obtuse |
| 17:59.44 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 17:59.48 | solar | prpplague: if you are limited to 500mA and the expected draw is already 330mA then I was saying that it probablys sounds like you could only slave one additional usb device off of it. |
| 18:00.49 | prpplague | solar ahh, that value was with regards of using a 802.11b/g device |
| 18:00.56 | prpplague | solar for just what we are talking about |
| 18:01.03 | prpplague | solar the hammer will draw less than 100mA |
| 18:01.12 | prpplague | solar which leaves 100mA per usb port |
| 18:01.32 | prpplague | solar which is the standard for 4 port unpowered hubs |
| 18:02.18 | RobotGuy | I wonder how much my USB WiFi adapter draws. |
| 18:02.36 | prpplague | most request 250-350mA |
| 18:02.54 | prpplague | virtually everything else i've tested is below 100mA |
| 18:03.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy if you plug in a usb device and then: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
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| 18:03.52 | RobotGuy | Even Bluetooth class 1? |
| 18:04.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy as part of the information, you will see the max requested current |
| 18:04.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea |
| 18:04.10 | RobotGuy | Ah, OK |
| 18:04.13 | prpplague | everyone one i have is less that 75mA |
| 18:05.07 | prpplague | solar i could paint one of these lunchbox tins up with the gentoo logo and such |
| 18:05.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:05.38 | prpplague | yea i have blue one that would look nice |
| 18:05.40 | RobotGuy | Don't forget the TCT logo too. :) |
| 18:05.56 | prpplague | i have a green one for hta |
| 18:05.57 | prpplague | that |
| 18:06.15 | prpplague | hehe its a warheads box |
| 18:06.30 | prpplague | the blue one is dubble-bubble bubblegum box |
| 18:06.52 | prpplague | red one is cherry sours |
| 18:06.59 | solar | prpplague: heh. I was reading up on how to best plate or powder coast them |
| 18:07.01 | prpplague | they have about 4 or 5 more colors |
| 18:07.11 | prpplague | solar oh? |
| 18:07.33 | prpplague | i was just going use some sand paper to rough it up, and then spray paint it |
| 18:08.13 | prpplague | hehe i guess we could get hackaday to laser etch some |
| 18:08.16 | solar | prpplague: ya http://www.caswellplating.com/ has really cool stuff for hobby |
| 18:08.38 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:08.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I think I found the perfect theme song for This Old Gadget: ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/8bitpeoples/8bp032-15-mesu_kasumai-she_verbed_me_with_sentences.mp3 :-) |
| 18:09.09 | prpplague | bookmarks |
| 18:09.25 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB hey |
| 18:09.36 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB i purchased a z2 from ebay |
| 18:09.46 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: oh cool |
| 18:10.01 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB they are suppose to ship it directly to you |
| 18:10.08 | g1powermac_PB | oh |
| 18:10.20 | g1powermac_PB | do you want to send the parts of my old one back to you? |
| 18:10.24 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB if for some reason they screw up and ship it to me, i'll ship it to you same day |
| 18:10.38 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB naw, i have the portions i want, hehe |
| 18:10.44 | g1powermac_PB | heh, k |
| 18:10.58 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Having trouble getting it. |
| 18:11.05 | prpplague | me too |
| 18:11.17 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: link is bad? |
| 18:11.25 | g1powermac_PB | or is it timing out with the ftp connection? |
| 18:11.26 | prpplague | solar i really like this lunchbox tin |
| 18:11.56 | prpplague | solar i know the altoids has a mystic about it |
| 18:12.00 | g1powermac_PB | has been having issues with their server, it sometimes doesn't work |
| 18:12.00 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: No, just appears very slooooooooooooooooooooooow. |
| 18:12.04 | prpplague | solar and is much more available |
| 18:12.14 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: huh, now thats odd |
| 18:12.23 | prpplague | its just soooo darn cute |
| 18:12.47 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: so you're getting audio but its playing really slowly? |
| 18:13.03 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Getting nothing |
| 18:14.14 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: hold on, I'm putting the mp3 up on the thisoldgadget site |
| 18:14.23 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 18:17.23 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.thisoldgadget.com/she_verbed_me_with_sentences.mp3 |
| 18:19.02 | g1powermac_PB | It's an 8bit rendition of "She blinded me with science" :-) |
| 18:19.43 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB cute |
| 18:21.53 | g1powermac_PB | its made by these guys: http://www.8bitpeoples.com/ |
| 18:22.28 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I can see a bunch of little robots moving around to that. |
| 18:22.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Do you have permission to use it? |
| 18:22.57 | solar | prpplague: I've not seen the lunchbox tin. Find that camera of yours? |
| 18:23.18 | prpplague | yea, gonna take a couple pics |
| 18:23.47 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: actually, the bigger issue I figure atm is from the original artist who made She blinded me science |
| 18:24.54 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Ahhhh, that could be interesting, depending on whether they are greedy or not. |
| 18:25.35 | g1powermac_PB | but I'm no legal guy when it comes to this stuff |
| 18:25.48 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Better seek advice then. |
| 18:26.00 | g1powermac_PB | the rendition could technically be covered by fair use stuff |
| 18:26.21 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Maybe, but there might be a commercial aspect to this. |
| 18:26.32 | g1powermac_PB | of course I'll need permission from the guy who made the rendition (though from the looks of it, everything is in creative commons licensing anyway) |
| 18:26.58 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: ya, I know some guys who should be able to figure it out |
| 18:27.18 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Wouldn't they have needed to get permission from the original creator of the song? |
| 18:27.30 | g1powermac_PB | thats the question |
| 18:28.07 | g1powermac_PB | it could fall under the 'parody' clause |
| 18:28.48 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Have you hear the original? |
| 18:28.57 | g1powermac_PB | yup |
| 18:29.06 | g1powermac_PB | many, many times :-) |
| 18:29.06 | RobotGuy | How different? |
| 18:29.11 | g1powermac_PB | its one of my favorite songs |
| 18:29.27 | g1powermac_PB | quite, mainly because the original uses real instruments :-) |
| 18:29.56 | g1powermac_PB | and also has lyrics |
| 18:30.13 | RobotGuy | I don't think that's not enough of a difference, but could be wrong. |
| 18:30.37 | g1powermac_PB | it depends, Weird Al does some pretty interesting parodies |
| 18:30.48 | g1powermac_PB | that aren't so different from the original |
| 18:31.08 | RobotGuy | That's true, but his lyrics are completely different. |
| 18:31.25 | g1powermac_PB | mostly |
| 18:31.49 | RobotGuy | How is the ZipIt2? |
| 18:33.42 | mnemoc | do you know any cheap arm board with vga? |
| 18:33.45 | g1powermac_PB | its a pretty neat device :-) |
| 18:33.56 | g1powermac_PB | well, I need to get some work done, bbl |
| 18:34.11 | prpplague | solar http://www.elinux.org/Anvil |
| 18:35.31 | solar | prpplague: haha. Thats big like. Looks like you could fit the entire nail in it. |
| 18:35.52 | prpplague | its a little too short for the nail |
| 18:36.05 | prpplague | but its definetly big enough to put a bunch of stuff in |
| 18:36.48 | solar | be pretty retro to pull out a lunch box and start talking into it :) |
| 18:36.54 | prpplague | and the candy isnt half bad |
| 18:37.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:37.20 | solar | can you take a side view? |
| 18:37.26 | prpplague | yea one sec |
| 18:37.40 | solar | maybe next to the altoids |
| 18:39.43 | RobotGuy | That's not an Anvil. It's a HammerHead. :) |
| 18:40.35 | solar | I did not get the joke to the hammer till I was searching around last night |
| 18:40.47 | solar | ARM & Hammer (Baking Soda) |
| 18:40.54 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 18:42.57 | RobotGuy | solar: prpplague says my JFFS2 image is still too large, but I don't know how big it can be. |
| 18:44.16 | prpplague | max size is 0x00ec0000 |
| 18:44.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: In the raw or the actual JFFS2 image? |
| 18:46.54 | RobotGuy | Must be raw, because that comes out to approximately 15 MB |
| 18:48.08 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah I'm trying to fix your setup. |
| 18:48.33 | solar | we got one two bugs to get past with the init= jffs2 image and then you are good to go. |
| 18:48.42 | RobotGuy | solar: I know. I am working on a new full Gentoo environment now. :) |
| 18:49.22 | solar | still does not understand why so much of your kernel is moduler |
| 18:49.32 | prpplague | solar http://www.elinux.org/Anvil |
| 18:49.41 | RobotGuy | solar: I am working on my new Gentoo setup while I wait. |
| 18:50.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy thats the actual image size |
| 18:50.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool! Oh, I could put a lot of robot controller in that space.. |
| 18:50.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy?? |
| 18:51.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What are the dimensions? |
| 18:51.41 | solar | Altoids is 2-1/8" x 3-1/2" |
| 18:51.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy i haven't measured it as of yet, but looks to be about 2.75" x 3.75" |
| 18:52.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It looks larger than that based on the size of the Hammer module. |
| 18:53.00 | prpplague | 2.75" x 4.25" x 1.25" |
| 18:53.03 | solar | prpplague: got pants on? |
| 18:53.12 | solar | actually that sounds kinda odd |
| 18:53.16 | RobotGuy | Don't mind me. I'm still dreaming of my controller based on the S3C2440A. :D |
| 18:53.25 | solar | but can you put it in a back pocket. Does it feel bulky? |
| 18:53.29 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes, that just didn't sound quite right.. :P |
| 18:53.41 | prpplague | solar no, its kinda of bulky |
| 18:53.50 | prpplague | solar yes i have jeans on |
| 18:53.51 | RobotGuy | I never carry things in back pockets because of my hips. |
| 18:54.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmm, with a little adjustment of the board size for the Hammer-RDP, that sort of case would make a nice enclosure. |
| 18:55.53 | RobotGuy | thinks, and gets an idea.. |
| 18:56.09 | RobotGuy | Caitlyn would kill me though. |
| 18:56.15 | prpplague | solar i can make it work in the altoids case, but i think the lunchbox is a little more robust |
| 18:57.18 | prpplague | solar still trying for a phone? |
| 18:57.20 | RobotGuy | I like the lunch box style. More roomy, but the Altoids case has a certain mystique about it.. |
| 18:57.30 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:58.05 | RobotGuy | People can already relate to the Altoids box. I always have them on hand. |
| 18:58.19 | RobotGuy | should purchase stock in Altoids |
| 19:00.00 | RobotGuy | If you could get a cell phone style querty keyboard like what's on the Treos, Blackberrys, or Blackjack II, it could be on the way to solar's phone. :) |
| 19:00.20 | prpplague | thats pretty easy to do |
| 19:01.47 | RobotGuy | My Blackjack II is just a little longer than an Altoids box. |
| 19:02.15 | RobotGuy | Yes, my phone runs Windows Mobile (with a TI OMAP 1710 processor). |
| 19:03.17 | RobotGuy | I couldn't pass it up though, for the functions and price - $50.00 for a refurb. |
| 19:04.41 | prpplague | solar yea putting the 2xAA in there takes up alot of space |
| 19:05.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: How about a small LiIon? |
| 19:06.02 | RobotGuy | Cell phone type battery pack maybe? |
| 19:06.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy i'm not really designing for portable at the momment, just keeping in mind what solar wants to do |
| 19:06.47 | RobotGuy | I know. I'm just tossing out suggestions. |
| 19:10.13 | prpplague | solar http://www.elinux.org/Anvil |
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| 19:12.25 | methril|laptop | yo |
| 19:15.03 | RobotGuy | looks for the other half of the yo yo.. :) |
| 19:16.05 | prpplague | doh forgot to put the microsd card socket in the pics |
| 19:17.34 | methril|laptop | :) |
| 19:17.53 | methril|laptop | it's weekend, i don't know if we are going to see the full yo yo |
| 19:17.57 | methril|laptop | :) |
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| 19:23.34 | RobotGuy | thinks about getting another bread board power supply so he can have both 5V and 3.3V power busses for his solderless breadboard. |
| 19:25.17 | RobotGuy | bangs on his wheelchair controller because it won't work right. |
| 19:27.09 | RobotGuy | I hate this durn chair. |
| 19:28.26 | methril|laptop | your chair? |
| 19:35.40 | RobotGuy | Power wheelchair that I use when I need it. |
| 19:36.14 | methril|laptop | i'm surprised |
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| 19:45.51 | RobotGuy | methril|laptop: Why surprised? |
| 19:51.01 | methril|laptop | because you use wheelchair |
| 19:55.01 | RobotGuy | I only use it when I need it. I am having major balance problems right now, so don't walk unless there is somebody with me. |
| 19:55.27 | RobotGuy | Chair needs to be replaced - it's been a complete pain ever since I got it. |
| 19:58.17 | methril|laptop | this is not cheap, isn't it? |
| 19:58.25 | RobotGuy | I can get a completely new chair, different brand and all, but insurance only covers 80%. |
| 19:58.30 | methril|laptop | i have one friend that has one, and it's really expensive |
| 19:58.36 | methril|laptop | uf!! |
| 19:58.44 | RobotGuy | methril|laptop: No, it's not cheap - over $6,000.00 for the one I need. |
| 19:58.53 | methril|laptop | oh! my god! |
| 19:59.16 | RobotGuy | About $6700.00 to be more exact. |
| 20:00.11 | RobotGuy | This one: http://www.pridejazzy.com/600.shtml |
| 20:00.58 | methril|laptop | ey!! with that you can go around |
| 20:01.09 | methril|laptop | looks god |
| 20:02.50 | RobotGuy | It's a nice chair, and made to go indoors or outdoors, which is what I need. |
| 20:03.13 | methril|laptop | nice |
| 20:03.25 | methril|laptop | well, i've to go (cooking time :)) |
| 20:03.41 | methril|laptop | good luck with that expensive bougth!! :) |
| 20:03.45 | methril|laptop | see you |
| 20:04.04 | RobotGuy | Bye |
| 20:36.29 | solar | prpplague: sorry about that. House lost power. so yeah what robot said about it holding that mystique is true. If you think the lunchbox suits the project better then by all means use it. |
| 20:47.14 | RobotGuy | It would be cool to have a "Lunchbox WiFi Network" |
| 20:47.38 | RobotGuy | Even more cool to have an "Altoids Tin WiFi Network" |
| 20:48.18 | RobotGuy | Each tin being a node, maybe even ZigBee (Mesh Networking) instead of WiFi. |
| 20:48.48 | RobotGuy | Wear a cap with a WiFi antenna on the top. :) |
| 20:50.39 | RobotGuy | Would that be geeky, or what? :) |
| 20:52.08 | RobotGuy | wonders if ZigBee has enough bandwidth to handle voice. |
| 20:53.18 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: voice can be compressed into a varaity of forms |
| 20:53.41 | RobotGuy | variety. :P |
| 20:53.49 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 20:53.51 | sunrunner20 | yes |
| 20:54.10 | RobotGuy | Learn to spell the words you use correctly. |
| 20:54.38 | sunrunner20 | thats the irony of my spelling, I usually spell the words I don't use correctly >_> |
| 20:54.42 | RobotGuy | Umm, I mean learn to spell correctly, the words you use. |
| 20:55.01 | RobotGuy | Spelling IS important. |
| 20:55.24 | sunrunner20 | you don't need more than a few KB/s for voice |
| 20:55.36 | RobotGuy | At what quality? |
| 20:56.03 | RobotGuy | I know telephone voice (land line) is typically 64 kB. |
| 20:56.04 | sunrunner20 | iirc |
| 20:56.14 | RobotGuy | iirc? |
| 20:56.22 | sunrunner20 | if I recall correctly |
| 20:56.32 | RobotGuy | Too many durn abbreviations. |
| 20:56.42 | sunrunner20 | well here |
| 20:56.45 | sunrunner20 | lemmie look it up |
| 21:00.06 | sunrunner20 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Excited_Linear_Prediction |
| 21:00.18 | sunrunner20 | 5.1kbit |
| 21:01.14 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 21:01.18 | sunrunner20 | the quality is extreemly high |
| 21:01.57 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah. But I'm cool with not trying to force size on prpplague (for prototype-0). I figure let him hash the initial ideas out however it best suits him. If there is momentum behind the lunchbox.. Then tct may very well pick up the smaller size for shipping one day. |
| 21:02.31 | RobotGuy | solar: Oh, I agree. Let him have free reign. |
| 21:02.45 | RobotGuy | He's a very creative guy. |
| 21:03.02 | solar | :) nothing but good things will come from this expermient I'm sure. |
| 21:03.17 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 21:03.24 | solar | but with the more screenspace. Hopefully we can find a bigger lcd to put in there |
| 21:04.11 | RobotGuy | I was just thinking that a little wireless voice "phone" type walkie talkie could be made about the size of a nail board, maybe just a bit longer. |
| 21:04.16 | solar | lunchbox design gives him space for putting that ethX back into the picture as well |
| 21:04.51 | sunrunner20 | nevermind |
| 21:05.13 | sunrunner20 | our server is set to speex 25.9 codec RobotGuy |
| 21:05.33 | RobotGuy | solar: Admittedly, Ethernet might be nice, but there is Gadget Ethernet. |
| 21:05.38 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: This means what to me? |
| 21:05.54 | sunrunner20 | what I was refering the quality too |
| 21:06.16 | RobotGuy | How about a reference I can relate to? |
| 21:07.11 | sunrunner20 | I'll send you a quality sample |
| 21:07.37 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: OK, but knowing the numbers would help too. Like kB/s, etc? |
| 21:08.11 | sunrunner20 | looks like its 3KBs :) |
| 21:08.29 | sunrunner20 | for the codec |
| 21:08.33 | RobotGuy | solar: I am to the stage of installing needed system apps for my new Gentoo environment. :) |
| 21:08.48 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: That's a far cry from 64 kB/s. |
| 21:09.02 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 21:09.49 | sunrunner20 | the human voice is extreemly limited |
| 21:09.57 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Full duplex would need two 64 kB/s channels. I am pretty sure ZigBee can handle that. Bluetooth can handle that and better, I think. |
| 21:10.14 | sunrunner20 | there are codecs designed to handle it specifically |
| 21:10.39 | sunrunner20 | when you spec in on the human voice |
| 21:10.49 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: True, but these "sort of wireless walkie talkies" could also be used as modems or for straight data transmission. |
| 21:10.53 | sunrunner20 | size goes way down |
| 21:11.19 | sunrunner20 | then you'd have to switch to a pure bit mode |
| 21:11.27 | sunrunner20 | because you coulden't use the codec |
| 21:11.29 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Not necessarily. |
| 21:11.30 | sunrunner20 | it'd stop working |
| 21:11.56 | sunrunner20 | its lossy as hell |
| 21:12.22 | RobotGuy | You could encode everything as data, send it, decode and separate the various streams on the other end and process as needed. |
| 21:12.45 | sunrunner20 | but you don't notice because its meant for human speach, and when used for that purpose, the loss isn't missed |
| 21:13.13 | sunrunner20 | so the birds chirping that can't be encoded by the codec just gets dropped |
| 21:13.57 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: There is no reason for it to get dropped though. These could be used for things such as remote recording when you couldn't get close enough physically. |
| 21:14.26 | sunrunner20 | then you use a codec that is meant to compress generic audio |
| 21:14.36 | sunrunner20 | and not specificallly human speach |
| 21:14.38 | RobotGuy | Of course, an increase in quality also means an increase in the bandwidth required to send the information. |
| 21:15.25 | RobotGuy | This is something I'd like to add to my robot. |
| 21:15.59 | RobotGuy | My robot will have Bluetooth and WiFi. |
| 21:16.34 | RobotGuy | Bluetooth will be on the Hammer's console port /dev/ttySAC0. |
| 21:17.01 | sunrunner20 | i'll have a mp3 for you to dl and listen to in a sec |
| 21:17.24 | RobotGuy | I also want to add ZigBee, but am not sure about the interference the various wireless devices might cause to each other. |
| 21:17.24 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Cool! |
| 21:17.39 | sunrunner20 | its what the voice only codecs sound like |
| 21:17.50 | sunrunner20 | well one of them |
| 21:18.47 | sunrunner20 | http://brainspore.net/gallery/v/misc/sample.mp3.html |
| 21:18.51 | prpplague | "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin |
| 21:19.26 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 21:19.35 | sunrunner20 | thats one of the better beer quotes |
| 21:20.15 | prpplague | oh this pyramid apricot ale is dandy |
| 21:21.27 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: That's not too bad, but I'd like to hit 160 kB/s if possible. That's about the minimum I would use when ripping CD audio. |
| 21:21.36 | sunrunner20 | no no |
| 21:21.49 | RobotGuy | Why why? |
| 21:21.58 | sunrunner20 | thats only that low because I was told to :) |
| 21:22.10 | RobotGuy | thinks he is headed for another hip replacement. :( |
| 21:22.20 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Ah, OK |
| 21:22.22 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 21:22.34 | sunrunner20 | there is no bit affect on the quality |
| 21:22.36 | sunrunner20 | *big |
| 21:22.48 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: What about the range of sound? |
| 21:23.14 | sunrunner20 | thats from my gaming community's weekly teamspeek meeting |
| 21:23.22 | sunrunner20 | range, eg Hz? |
| 21:23.55 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Yes. For instance typical audio range is 20 Hz to 20 kHz (full range). |
| 21:24.13 | RobotGuy | If I am thinking correctly. |
| 21:24.27 | sunrunner20 | I don't know to be honest, I know that a lot of the background noise gets cut off |
| 21:24.36 | sunrunner20 | but some things still get through |
| 21:24.40 | sunrunner20 | coughs |
| 21:24.42 | sunrunner20 | ets |
| 21:24.44 | sunrunner20 | *etc |
| 21:25.03 | RobotGuy | It's an interesting idea for a project. :) |
| 21:25.28 | RobotGuy | Each person could be a walking network node. |
| 21:25.28 | sunrunner20 | so im thinking, there is a basic high and low filter on the known human vocal limits |
| 21:25.48 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Remember, I'm not talking about just voice. |
| 21:26.17 | sunrunner20 | yea, I'm no expert |
| 21:26.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You think something like this could be packed into your lunchbox case? |
| 21:26.40 | sunrunner20 | but iirc, mp3 will keep all data so long as you don't flood it with too much at once |
| 21:27.11 | RobotGuy | Hammer has two analog inputs. |
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| 21:36.11 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: So, are you saying encode to MP3, send the data, decode at the other end? Can it be done realtime? |
| 22:06.17 | RobotGuy | Now I am seriously thinking about adding pin headers to the bottom of my nail board. |
| 22:06.49 | RobotGuy | I'd have to find a new case for it then though. |
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| 22:42.09 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: yea it can |
| 22:42.58 | RobotGuy | ZigBee can handle the bandwidth? |
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| 22:44.26 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: ? |
| 22:44.36 | sunrunner20 | realtime |
| 22:44.41 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 22:44.52 | RobotGuy | Ahh, that is indeed good news! Thanks! |
| 22:45.05 | RobotGuy | Makes my idea workable then. |
| 22:45.09 | sunrunner20 | there are dedicated chips to do it |
| 22:45.28 | RobotGuy | The encoding/decoding, yes, of course |
| 22:45.49 | sunrunner20 | the rest is trivial |
| 22:46.04 | RobotGuy | Or more correctly, the rest is software. |
| 22:46.35 | RobotGuy | Software isn't necessarily trivial though. :P |
| 22:46.41 | sunrunner20 | I was speaking in terms of terms of raw power needed :) |
| 22:46.57 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 22:47.43 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 22:47.45 | RobotGuy | We could have a TinCan[Tools] Personal Voice and Data wireless network. |
| 22:47.47 | sunrunner20 | arm w/ MMU |
| 22:47.54 | RobotGuy | Hammer |
| 22:48.06 | sunrunner20 | 100 MIPS Microprocessor ( CPU ): S3C2410 - Samsung (200 MHz) |
| 22:48.06 | sunrunner20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.28 | RobotGuy | Yes indeed |
| 22:48.51 | sunrunner20 | should be plunty of bandwith |
| 22:49.00 | RobotGuy | ]I belive so. :) |
| 22:49.18 | RobotGuy | s/belive/believe/ |
| 22:49.46 | sunrunner20 | so long as you arn't sucking up cycles w/ other stuff |
| 22:49.59 | RobotGuy | Would I do that? |
| 22:50.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
| 22:50.32 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 22:50.49 | sunrunner20 | is there a way to auto nice all new proccesses for a single session? |
| 22:52.02 | RobotGuy | Don't know, sorry. Got to go do other stuffs now. BBIAB |
| 23:06.19 | adyer | sunrunner20: if you renice the login shell, I think everything spawned from it will inherit that priority |
| 23:07.20 | adyer | sunrunner20: google 'renice login shell' for where I stole that |
| 23:09.30 | sunrunner20 | adyer: this is in a cron script >_> |
| 23:15.29 | sunrunner20 | http://brainspore.net/gallery/d/21-1/LT1965.jpg |
| 23:17.28 | adyer | sunrunner20: so? run your script with nice in the crontab file. |
| 23:17.42 | sunrunner20 | don't have access to the crontab file |
| 23:18.08 | sunrunner20 | webhost |
| 23:18.37 | adyer | sunrunner20: so then run renice in your script |
| 23:34.11 | RobotGuy | is away: Gone away for now. |
| 23:34.25 | RobotGuy-Out | returns. |
| 23:53.54 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 23:53.58 | sunrunner20 | that got me exactly nowher |
