| 00:00.18 | solar | saw a bunch that were cheaper. But no input. Only output |
| 00:01.00 | prpplague | solar hey |
| 00:01.05 | prpplague | solar question |
| 00:01.12 | solar | sure |
| 00:01.16 | prpplague | solar the usb device on the anvil |
| 00:01.23 | prpplague | solar what did you have in mind for that? |
| 00:01.31 | prpplague | solar gadget ethernet? |
| 00:01.52 | solar | usb->ethX is mostly useless. |
| 00:02.22 | prpplague | solar what about it being a usb->rs232 for the main console? |
| 00:02.40 | prpplague | similiar to what happens on the nail |
| 00:03.15 | solar | but here is what would be nice. sound(usb)/cam(usb)/bluetooth(usb),bluetooth(keyboard,mouse) (maybe personal use) |
| 00:03.17 | solar | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/?cpg=froogle |
| 00:03.41 | solar | thats cute but I don't want to suggest it for your demo. I think it would distract from the real product you are trying to push |
| 00:04.00 | prpplague | solar http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8531 |
| 00:04.07 | prpplague | solar this would make it darn easy |
| 00:04.19 | prpplague | plus that gets you your mini usb connector |
| 00:04.58 | prpplague | and i could wire it so the +5v powers the system |
| 00:05.02 | solar | Well if you use the lunchbox design.. You have plently of space |
| 00:05.25 | solar | infact if you run with the lunchbox. I'd like to discuss adding even more hardware in there |
| 00:05.56 | prpplague | solar i had just about decided for the altoids |
| 00:06.05 | prpplague | solar i figured more people could relate to it |
| 00:07.57 | ds2 | are you getting the tins printed up with logos? |
| 00:08.54 | prpplague | ds2 not if they are altoid tins |
| 00:09.49 | ds2 | prpplague: you can get them with your own logos printed on them... I worked for a company before that did that |
| 00:10.02 | solar | got a name? |
| 00:10.59 | ds2 | donno who did it for them, they went out of business :( I still have the can somewhere though |
| 00:11.37 | solar | I might be able to do a few in silver or gold plating |
| 00:11.53 | solar | but a powered coating for this might be nicer imo |
| 00:12.20 | ds2 | in keeping with the them, why not a solid matte black? |
| 00:12.25 | ds2 | "the anvil" |
| 00:12.29 | ds2 | theme |
| 00:12.37 | prpplague | i just figured the altoids would be cute enough |
| 00:13.07 | ds2 | prpplague: sounds like you don't care to make this too commercial? |
| 00:13.19 | solar | oh I randomly picked that name cuz it seemed fitting. A hammer hits a nail. A hammer hits an anvil. (so what hammers hit are the carriers) |
| 00:13.34 | CosmicPenguin | a carrier would be a toolbox |
| 00:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | or a toolbelt |
| 00:13.40 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just saying |
| 00:14.12 | solar | logical |
| 00:16.14 | prpplague | well, here is what i have planned so far, 1 usb->rs-232 with mini-usb connected to console, two usb hosts, 1 microsd, hammer board, 2 leds, 2 push buttons |
| 00:17.11 | prpplague | the big question is some support of audio and a lcd |
| 00:17.31 | solar | Thats why I picked up the USB audio today. |
| 00:17.58 | ds2 | what color of LEDs? |
| 00:18.12 | ds2 | prpplague: why not the Nokia I2C LCD? |
| 00:18.38 | prpplague | chartreuse |
| 00:19.06 | prpplague | ~lart ds2 for asking about color and not functionality |
| 00:19.06 | purl | gives ds2 a good seeing to for asking about color and not functionality |
| 00:19.35 | prpplague | ds2 yea thats the one i was looking at |
| 00:19.37 | ds2 | Hey! there are valid engineering concerns there like 3Vish drive vs 1.8v for reds |
| 00:19.39 | ds2 | :) |
| 00:20.00 | ds2 | make it UV and have signs written in UV glow ink ;) |
| 00:20.35 | prpplague | ds2 make it a laser diode and have people put their eye up to the hole in the tin |
| 00:20.49 | ds2 | <G> |
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| 00:21.08 | ds2 | the 405nm LEDs are relatively safe and will make stuff glow! |
| 00:21.20 | ds2 | no worse then having a li ion battery around :P |
| 00:21.59 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:22.32 | ds2 | <--- suggestings things for the 'cool' industrial art factor... this is in SF after all ;) |
| 00:23.46 | prpplague | ds2 i wouldn't know about such things, hehe |
| 00:24.41 | ds2 | prpplague: after seeing the crucible and the techshop, I am convinced that is what the people in the sfbay area are into (me not included) |
| 00:25.21 | prpplague | shows his ignorance |
| 00:25.25 | prpplague | that a movie? |
| 00:26.17 | ds2 | no, geeky-artsy places that "teach" people to use stuff like the hammer |
| 00:26.35 | ds2 | http://www.thecrucible.org/ and http://www.techshow.ws/ |
| 00:26.52 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:27.02 | ds2 | mostly local stuff so not surprised you haven't heard of them |
| 00:27.07 | g1powermac_PB | oh, the crucible looks cool |
| 00:27.26 | ds2 | they are fun to an extent but $$ |
| 00:27.28 | g1powermac_PB | man, wish we had something like that here |
| 00:27.41 | ds2 | no way am I paying $300 for a weekend or two on how to use an LED |
| 00:27.49 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 00:27.55 | ds2 | for that price, I want to fab an LED ;) |
| 00:28.06 | g1powermac_PB | but I'd certainly pay that much to learn how to do metal fab stuff |
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| 00:28.12 | g1powermac_PB | I so want to learn that stuff |
| 00:28.25 | ds2 | for the metal stuff, the local JC offer cheaper versions |
| 00:28.37 | ds2 | maybe not the smithing |
| 00:28.38 | g1powermac_PB | thats why I'm looking at welders :-) |
| 00:29.04 | ds2 | it is hard to decided which welding technology to learn |
| 00:29.16 | ds2 | s/decided/decide/ |
| 00:29.25 | g1powermac_PB | I'm going for MIG welding |
| 00:29.34 | g1powermac_PB | mainly because I want to work with aluminum |
| 00:29.46 | ds2 | eh? thought aluminum needs TIG |
| 00:29.56 | g1powermac_PB | nah, you can use MIG |
| 00:30.32 | g1powermac_PB | actually, you can weld alot of stuff with MIG welder |
| 00:30.46 | g1powermac_PB | its the most versatile welder |
| 00:31.20 | ds2 | some say the samething about gas |
| 00:31.49 | g1powermac_PB | man, I'd would attend The Crucible if it was local |
| 00:32.25 | g1powermac_PB | it covers so many of the things I'd love to do if I had the equipment to do it |
| 00:32.33 | ds2 | you must be rich |
| 00:32.43 | ds2 | =) |
| 00:33.24 | g1powermac_PB | heh, no, but I could have gotten my parents to pay for it ;-) |
| 00:36.18 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:37.00 | g1powermac_PB | man, oh man, mom even agreed with me, if it was only local. . . |
| 00:37.31 | ds2 | how old are you? |
| 00:37.36 | g1powermac_PB | 21 |
| 00:38.01 | g1powermac_PB | and we all work together at the family business |
| 00:39.12 | g1powermac_PB | you see, I technically don't get paid any money |
| 00:39.54 | RobotGuy | zippity doo dah |
| 00:40.27 | g1powermac_PB | instead, I get a budget like thing to buy stuff |
| 00:40.43 | g1powermac_PB | beyond the free room and board |
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| 00:44.24 | RobotGuy | flashes Nail again |
| 00:59.02 | RobotGuy | Ooops, forgot ncurses |
| 01:07.57 | RobotGuy | I have 13 packages in flash now. |
| 01:08.18 | RobotGuy | Assuming this build doesn't overflow, which it shouldn't. |
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| 01:35.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
| 01:42.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy pong |
| 01:42.39 | RobotGuy | Oh, there ya are! Skeered me! :P |
| 01:42.52 | RobotGuy | You mentioned a JTAG adapter for Nail earlier. |
| 01:43.33 | RobotGuy | Did you get that picture? |
| 01:50.07 | prpplague | sorry no, i forgot too many other things going on |
| 01:53.34 | RobotGuy | OK, no problem. |
| 01:58.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy 4 usb ports, one on each side of the anvil case? |
| 01:59.17 | RobotGuy | I'd go two ports on two opposite sides. |
| 01:59.55 | RobotGuy | Probably the long sides of the case |
| 02:01.08 | prpplague | that doesn't give you complete expandability in any direction |
| 02:03.19 | RobotGuy | OK, I think I know what you have in mind now. Hmmmm. Connecting modules with USB? |
| 02:03.48 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:04.03 | RobotGuy | Aahhhh, OK, then, I would say definitely one port each side. |
| 02:04.06 | prpplague | otherwise i'll have to find a good 8 or 10 pin connector |
| 02:04.14 | RobotGuy | USB is better. |
| 02:05.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy you only have so many endpoints, plus usb uses +5v with lots of current |
| 02:06.17 | RobotGuy | I just need to get boa onto Nail and I will be able to have a complete W.A.L.T.E.R. active without a flash drive, albeit with more primative functions. |
| 02:06.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right. I got what you are up to now. :D |
| 02:09.22 | RobotGuy | Anvil is getting more interesting. |
| 02:09.53 | RobotGuy | I'm taking Nail to the PARTS meeting this coming weekend, assuming my chair behaves. |
| 02:17.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy got a url for those phygits ? |
| 02:17.51 | RobotGuy | http://www.phidgets.com/ |
| 02:21.01 | prpplague | ew |
| 02:21.17 | RobotGuy | ?? |
| 02:22.45 | prpplague | Applications can be developed quickly in .NET, Visual Basic, VBA (Microsoft Access and Excel), LabView, Java, Delphi, C, C++ and Python. |
| 02:22.56 | RobotGuy | And Linux |
| 02:23.21 | RobotGuy | They have Linux libraries. |
| 02:23.38 | prpplague | major expensive |
| 02:24.07 | RobotGuy | I could probably program PICs or dsPICs to do the same stuff. |
| 02:24.29 | prpplague | or an atmega48 |
| 02:24.44 | prpplague | or a lp2148 |
| 02:24.47 | prpplague | lpc2148 |
| 02:24.53 | RobotGuy | Well, the PIC 18F4550/2550 and 18F87J50. Or just about anything. |
| 02:25.05 | RobotGuy | I really like the LPC2148 |
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| 02:36.28 | prpplague | pics are dead |
| 02:36.50 | RobotGuy | I have bunches of them. |
| 02:37.33 | RobotGuy | SFE has a nice little Atmega128 board I'd like to have, but then I need the JTAG too. |
| 02:39.15 | T0mW | what the heck is the name of that debian tool that is a text interface to apt ? |
| 02:39.30 | RobotGuy | dpkg? |
| 02:39.45 | T0mW | I think there is another one similar to that? |
| 02:39.51 | RobotGuy | dselect |
| 02:40.49 | RobotGuy | dpkg is the command line tool. dselect has the curses type interface. |
| 02:41.20 | T0mW | maybe that is the one I'm thinking of, been a while since I had a debian box around here. |
| 02:41.39 | RobotGuy | Yes, I think it's dselect you want. |
| 02:43.10 | T0mW | I've always found the debian package tools rather clumsy to use. But, I will have to learn to deal with them. |
| 02:43.29 | RobotGuy | I never did quite get the hang of dselect. |
| 02:43.43 | T0mW | I'm biased though, been running Mandriva for about 6 years now and urpmi is what I use. |
| 02:44.08 | T0mW | no, ever since mandriva 7. |
| 02:44.22 | T0mW | I think that was around 2000 or 2001 |
| 02:44.25 | RobotGuy | I'm sneaking back into Gentoo. I just have to get my Gentoo env bootable. |
| 02:44.49 | RobotGuy | I haven't messed with Mandriva (formerly Mandrake, if I remember right) for awhile. |
| 02:44.57 | T0mW | I cannot figure out what all the noise is about ubuntu, I installed it and was not impressed. |
| 02:45.18 | T0mW | I found to be rather crude. |
| 02:45.41 | RobotGuy | I'm running Kubuntu as my main env here right now. They do things a bit strange, not wanting anyone to be logged in as root ever. |
| 02:45.51 | T0mW | IMHO, SuSE is better, even if you have to deal with YAST. |
| 02:45.58 | T0mW | LLO |
| 02:46.00 | T0mW | LOL |
| 02:46.01 | RobotGuy | It's my system, and I want to use it MY way. |
| 02:46.08 | T0mW | damned right. |
| 02:46.22 | T0mW | "Hey! This is MY box!" |
| 02:46.39 | T0mW | what do you have to do? sudo a lot? |
| 02:46.57 | RobotGuy | Not me! I just set a passwd on root and add myself to the root group. |
| 02:47.02 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:47.27 | RobotGuy | I have learned how to get around most stupidity in various distros. |
| 02:47.32 | T0mW | hack in via the bootloader, run into single user, then assign a password. |
| 02:47.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8265 |
| 02:47.48 | T0mW | linux -s |
| 02:48.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yep. I am waiting for the 32 bit version. :) |
| 02:48.32 | RobotGuy | I always have my trusty Knoppix CD handy. |
| 02:48.58 | T0mW | RobotGuy: I had a point of sale terminal that I was evaluating for a customer. It was RedHat Enterprise Linux and I wanted to see how they built the system. So, I found that they didn't passwd protect lilo... |
| 02:49.11 | T0mW | They wanted to know how I was able to root the system. |
| 02:49.20 | T0mW | I told them my fee schedule. |
| 02:49.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I've thought about using those as peripherals to Hammer. |
| 02:49.28 | RobotGuy | T0mW: You go! :) |
| 02:50.08 | RobotGuy | But then, I could do the same with an LPC2xxx header board. |
| 02:50.25 | T0mW | I leave that door open on all my customer systems. I tell them, if I die tomorrow, you get someone to gain root access from the terminal... THAT is your next Linux admin. |
| 02:50.26 | RobotGuy | Have I mentioned how much I like the NXP chips? |
| 02:50.43 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Oh yeah. |
| 02:51.51 | T0mW | NXP always struck me as not having an agenda, just selling what is hot this quarter. No loyalty to a product line. |
| 02:52.36 | RobotGuy | T0mW: There are a few chips I really like, such as the LPC2148, and I am waiting for the LPC24xx. |
| 02:52.36 | T0mW | I like Samsung because they give the impression that they are into a product line approach rather than just designing for retail. |
| 02:52.52 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I like Samsung too. |
| 02:53.00 | T0mW | OH |
| 02:53.03 | T0mW | WAIT |
| 02:53.05 | RobotGuy | Good thing, since Samsung is all over Hammer. :) |
| 02:53.11 | T0mW | I thought you said NEC |
| 02:53.13 | T0mW | doh |
| 02:53.23 | RobotGuy | NXP |
| 02:53.31 | T0mW | not sure why I read it that way, maybe too much caffine |
| 02:53.43 | RobotGuy | I don't like NEC. |
| 02:54.00 | T0mW | yeah, I like Philips^H^H^H^H^H^H NXP. Been designing their stuff in for many years. |
| 02:54.13 | RobotGuy | The other company I really like is Luminary Micro for their ARM7 stuff. |
| 02:54.32 | T0mW | I used to have internal phone numbers to the 8051 engineers when they were Signetics. |
| 02:54.35 | RobotGuy | And there are a couple Freescale chips (i.MX31 and i.MX21). |
| 02:55.46 | T0mW | that was back in the day when everyone knew someone who knew someone who was working on something. |
| 02:56.35 | T0mW | We used to wander into other companies engineering labs to see what our buddies were working on. |
| 02:57.03 | RobotGuy | One of my favorite Luminary Micro chips is the LM3S6965. |
| 02:57.14 | T0mW | don't recognize the number |
| 02:57.28 | RobotGuy | http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/lm3s6965.html |
| 02:57.47 | RobotGuy | This would make an excellent companion to Hammer for robotics. |
| 02:58.06 | T0mW | shrug, I don't know to believe the cortex hype or not. |
| 02:58.24 | RobotGuy | I haven't paid any attention to the hype. |
| 02:58.50 | T0mW | I'm gonna be a late adopter, I think. |
| 02:59.13 | RobotGuy | I'm going based on available functions. |
| 02:59.31 | RobotGuy | It has two hardware quadrature encoder modules. |
| 02:59.33 | T0mW | let people like prpplague have their engineering boss throw them into cortex and then listen to Dave whine about it. |
| 02:59.35 | T0mW | ducks |
| 03:00.02 | T0mW | RobotGuy: that could be good for stepper motor control |
| 03:00.10 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Indeed |
| 03:00.37 | RobotGuy | Or dead reckoning for navigation and odometry. |
| 03:00.47 | T0mW | I remember coding assembler functions to bit-bang a stepper motor for a thermal printer. |
| 03:01.00 | RobotGuy | AAack, no thankyou! |
| 03:01.01 | T0mW | ramp-up, run, run faster, stop |
| 03:01.17 | T0mW | ... suck the paper back 1" |
| 03:01.26 | RobotGuy | gives the "Indeed" back to prpplague. :) |
| 03:01.51 | T0mW | I did it with tables |
| 03:02.08 | RobotGuy | Tables, chairs, the whole living room if ya want.. ;) |
| 03:02.13 | T0mW | lol |
| 03:03.07 | T0mW | oh, it got interesting if you hit the resonant frequency of the hardware frame. |
| 03:03.21 | T0mW | growl like crazy |
| 03:03.47 | RobotGuy | It would sound like a cat fight. BIG cats. |
| 03:04.22 | T0mW | that was coded in 8042 assembler. |
| 03:05.02 | T0mW | nasty language, you could not branch across a 256byte boundry, you had to jmp. |
| 03:05.54 | T0mW | that was before I discovered the 8051 |
| 03:06.24 | T0mW | that LPC2000 series is like the 8051 in a lot of ways. |
| 03:06.36 | T0mW | just faster and more memory |
| 03:06.46 | T0mW | more subsystems. |
| 03:08.30 | RobotGuy | I've never done anything with the 8051, but the TI CP2431 has caught my eye. |
| 03:09.11 | RobotGuy | SFE has a nice proto board for the LPC2378 |
| 03:09.22 | T0mW | oh, my Z2s should be here Wednesday, they are coming FedEx. |
| 03:09.30 | RobotGuy | I have the LPC2148 header and proto boards. |
| 03:10.00 | RobotGuy | Lucky duck. Maybe I should join the Z2 club while they are still fairly low priced. |
| 03:10.05 | T0mW | RobotGuy: I'm still finding the lack of an MMU to be such a hassle. I have writen a lot of proprierty operating systems, time to focus on Linux. |
| 03:10.23 | RobotGuy | Linux is where it's at! |
| 03:10.43 | RobotGuy | However, there is something to be said for bare-metal programming also. |
| 03:11.18 | T0mW | yeah, just bolt stuff on. With ARM cores at 200..400, prices low on DRAM, it just makes sense to go that direction. |
| 03:11.32 | T0mW | save engineering time on not having to invent a new o/s. |
| 03:11.54 | T0mW | s/400/400MHz |
| 03:12.07 | T0mW | ~botsnack |
| 03:12.07 | purl | aw, gee, T0mW |
| 03:12.14 | RobotGuy | That's why I like Hammer, although I would like to see the price drop eventually. |
| 03:12.31 | RobotGuy | S3C2440A @ 405 MHz. |
| 03:13.03 | RobotGuy | I am really hoping the Hammer-RDP can bring Hammer into Robotics and Process Control. |
| 03:13.05 | T0mW | I like the Hammer, but, I would like to see a different pinout. Leave off the second SPI port and put the SDI in its' place |
| 03:13.21 | RobotGuy | SledgeHammer |
| 03:13.30 | RobotGuy | Hammer with more I/O |
| 03:13.43 | T0mW | RobotGuy: this is what I've been playing with: http://www.embedinfo.com/english/Product/mini2410.asp |
| 03:13.47 | RobotGuy | I'd still like to see Sledge have the S3C2440A though. |
| 03:14.03 | T0mW | RobotGuy: but then, I do my own SMD boards. |
| 03:14.22 | T0mW | I've got two of those boards, $85 each |
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| 03:14.41 | RobotGuy | $85.00 each?? |
| 03:14.50 | RobotGuy | I like that form factor also. |
| 03:14.53 | T0mW | 200MHz, 64Meg DRAM and the full signals on SODIMM-200 |
| 03:15.24 | RobotGuy | looks to see if they have an S3C2440A module too. |
| 03:16.42 | RobotGuy | Ooooooooooooooooooh, only $209.00 for http://www.embedinfo.com/english/Product/sbc2440-II.asp |
| 03:17.05 | T0mW | RobotGuy: No, they don't. Only one that I have found is from SimTec and they don't seem to want to sell onesy-twosy units. |
| 03:17.22 | RobotGuy | They suck then. :) |
| 03:17.27 | T0mW | RobotGuy: look at the -III then |
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| 03:18.48 | T0mW | RobotGuy: I think the guy doing the embest stuff is a chinese student / recent graduate. You can see how he is learning his trade by reading the CS8900 schematic on the -II and -III model. |
| 03:18.49 | RobotGuy | They don't have a -III for the 2440 |
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| 03:19.16 | T0mW | he learns that the CS8900 does not need all the address lines going to the chip, that he can ground most of them. |
| 03:20.12 | T0mW | I think he is in some government sponsered enterprise program. IOW, you design stuff to start your own company and we will help you get things built. |
| 03:21.16 | T0mW | Or, he is able to use production facilities at his employers plant on off hours. |
| 03:22.20 | T0mW | One board that I got had a 16Meg StrataFlash on it, the next time I ordered, it had an older 2Meg 29F800 on it. |
| 03:24.41 | RobotGuy | Right now, I think I need to learn how to pivot root. |
| 03:24.53 | RobotGuy | But just the thought of it makes my head hurt. |
| 03:29.28 | RobotGuy | Geesh, I just got a wink from a 60 year old woman on a dating site. |
| 03:29.55 | T0mW | LOL |
| 03:30.25 | T0mW | caution, old ladies may have bucho bucks |
| 03:30.45 | T0mW | need young dude to play with |
| 03:30.51 | RobotGuy | Yeah, well, maybe. She doesn't look 60. |
| 03:31.06 | RobotGuy | I'm not interested in being a playtoy or being mothered. |
| 03:31.24 | T0mW | I'm 55 (in a few weeks) almost all of them look good |
| 03:31.40 | RobotGuy | I turned 50 in May. |
| 03:31.48 | T0mW | geez, and I never thought that I would live to see 30 |
| 03:32.31 | T0mW | so much for the good looking corpse |
| 03:32.57 | RobotGuy | people usually guess my age 7 - 10 years younger than I am. |
| 03:34.30 | RobotGuy | I went to an ENT about my left ear, and he tells me it's an inner ear problem and can't be fixed. Now, I don't exactly believe that since an ENT isn't fully qualified for inner ear problems. |
| 03:36.18 | T0mW | yeah, well, I hurt my hearing by age 18 from working in an auto repair shop. Too much noise from the pnuematic tools did me in. |
| 03:36.44 | RobotGuy | That would do it. I had excellent hearing until last October. |
| 03:37.07 | T0mW | I should have two hearing aids but I can only afford one right now. It was $2400 |
| 03:37.16 | RobotGuy | Ouch |
| 03:37.47 | T0mW | twelve audio channel, digital with DSP. |
| 03:37.58 | RobotGuy | I have this constant ringing in my left ear now and sometimes a tone too. Tried to answer it, but nobody home. |
| 03:38.02 | T0mW | never knew how much I was missing listening to music |
| 03:38.24 | T0mW | heh, had tinitus since I was 20 |
| 03:38.44 | RobotGuy | I think my balance problems are related |
| 03:38.45 | T0mW | you learn to ignore it |
| 03:39.11 | ds2 | the brain is a good adaptive filter |
| 03:39.15 | RobotGuy | I haven't got to that point yet, and won't until I hear an Otologist tell me it can't be fixed. |
| 03:39.33 | T0mW | ok, old farts trading tails about their medical histories. Should we take this conversation over to 80M? |
| 03:39.44 | RobotGuy | Ha ha |
| 03:39.49 | T0mW | well, 75M |
| 03:40.37 | ds2 | 160M! |
| 03:40.43 | T0mW | I swear, I heard one old timer fall asleep at the VOX on 75M one night. His buddies kept trying to phone him at his house to let him know he was snoring on HF. |
| 03:40.46 | ds2 | with a full wave ;) |
| 03:41.20 | T0mW | ds2: RHOMBIC! |
| 03:41.53 | ds2 | running full legal! |
| 03:41.58 | T0mW | AM! |
| 03:42.38 | ds2 | heh... that should let you use a mod'ed BCB receiver |
| 03:42.50 | T0mW | no joke, the local AM station upgrade their 1KW transmitter and station. A guy I know got the whole shebang and set it up in his basement on 160M |
| 03:43.18 | T0mW | WNNJ AM |
| 03:44.35 | ds2 | hope he owns stock in the local electric company |
| 03:45.04 | T0mW | Steve is a little out-there anyway. |
| 03:45.18 | T0mW | wtf was his call... |
| 03:45.49 | T0mW | I gotta start making the rounds of the local hamfests again. Been out of it for a while now. |
| 03:48.27 | RobotGuy | I used to really enjoy listening to the Ham bands |
| 03:48.59 | ds2 | the local ham fests have degenerated into PC fests |
| 03:50.11 | KingTaco | heh |
| 03:50.21 | KingTaco | drove the channel completely off topic |
| 03:50.38 | agaffney | you have a tendency to do that |
| 03:51.12 | KingTaco | wonders why agaffney is here |
| 03:51.20 | agaffney | I've been here for a looooong time |
| 03:51.29 | agaffney | over a year |
| 03:51.40 | KingTaco | didn't know you got into embedded type stuff |
| 03:51.45 | agaffney | a bit |
| 03:52.04 | agaffney | I came here when I picked up some dht walnut (405gp) boards ~2 years ago |
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| 03:53.36 | T0mW | RobotGuy: you know what is wild? That mini2410 is now only $68 in single piece, and they say they will offer a quantity discount. |
| 03:53.50 | RobotGuy | Wow. |
| 03:54.44 | T0mW | 2410 cpu w/64Meg of RAM, 2Meg of flash. I build apex to load the kernel into RAM, the kernel then boots from the SD card. So, 2Meg of Flash is enough. |
| 03:56.24 | T0mW | The board I am laying out now will use that CPU with the LCD from the HammerLCD. I've got 4 RS232 ports, 2 RS485 ports, 2 10BaseT, one USB Slave and 2 USB Host ports on it. |
| 03:56.56 | T0mW | I want to see if the S3C2410 can handle a bunch of IO. Oh, I also put a UDA1341 codec on there for sound. |
| 03:57.18 | T0mW | along with an SD card on the SDI interface. |
| 03:57.25 | KingTaco | if you're looking for a bunch of IO, the TS boards have em |
| 03:57.25 | RobotGuy | Pivot Root? |
| 03:57.33 | T0mW | nope |
| 03:57.41 | T0mW | root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:57.51 | T0mW | no pivot root |
| 03:57.53 | KingTaco | I have a TS-7300, it can support 6 serial ports, and has 30+ gpio |
| 03:58.06 | T0mW | yeah, but, I like the s3c2410 |
| 03:58.22 | ds2 | why? |
| 03:58.23 | KingTaco | yeah, the old ts boards are cl 9302 |
| 03:58.42 | ds2 | isn't the S3C2410 one of the slowest performance per clock arms? |
| 03:58.43 | RobotGuy | What I want to do is have a small system in flash, which I am building now. Then have an identical image plus more for my thumb drive. Have Thumb as rootfs if it is present, flash if not. |
| 03:58.58 | T0mW | I don't like the upgrade path that Cirrus has (or doesn't have). |
| 03:58.58 | RobotGuy | ds2: I don't think so. |
| 03:59.17 | T0mW | RobotGuy: microSD |
| 03:59.31 | T0mW | not mini, micro |
| 03:59.35 | RobotGuy | No microSD available. |
| 03:59.35 | KingTaco | T0mW, heh, the 9302 was the upgrade path |
| 03:59.39 | KingTaco | the 9301 was dismal |
| 03:59.44 | T0mW | KingTaco: LOL |
| 03:59.45 | ds2 | RobotGuy: so you are claiming an ARMv4 core faster then the later ones? |
| 03:59.48 | RobotGuy | They have a 9315 too. |
| 03:59.59 | KingTaco | different pinout though, no? |
| 04:00.07 | RobotGuy | ds2: Not at all. Sheesh. |
| 04:00.10 | KingTaco | 9301/2 were ping compatible |
| 04:00.13 | KingTaco | *pin |
| 04:00.17 | ds2 | RobotGuy: then??? |
| 04:00.37 | RobotGuy | ds2: Never mind. I am not going to get into a sparing match with you. |
| 04:00.59 | ds2 | RobotGuy: trying to understand what you mean |
| 04:01.10 | solar | evening * |
| 04:01.34 | solar | KingTaco: done that first reflashing yet? |
| 04:01.46 | KingTaco | solar, just got back from dinner |
| 04:01.49 | T0mW | I dunno, I did a quick test on a 300MHz PXA270's SDI port and the 200MHz S3C2410 xfer rate was quite a bit higher. |
| 04:02.00 | KingTaco | T0mW, I'm a big fan of the pxa chips |
| 04:02.09 | solar | S3C2410 was faster? |
| 04:02.18 | T0mW | PXA270 was 1.5MB/s and the S3C2410 was 2.07MB/s |
| 04:02.22 | KingTaco | thinking of picking up one of those highend gumstix that are pxa270s |
| 04:02.51 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 04:03.01 | solar | T0mW: that fits in with more or less what prpplague was saying about s3c24xx in general. |
| 04:03.26 | T0mW | clock for clock, I would extrapolate that dropping the PXA270 down to 200MHz would result in a 100% increase in speed with the S3C2410 |
| 04:03.33 | solar | not sure how much of that was love cuz he is a vendor using said chips vs. real world |
| 04:04.00 | solar | T0mW: thats actually what HTC did more or less with the OMAP850 afaik. |
| 04:04.07 | KingTaco | I think I read somewhere that the pxa was best performance per watt |
| 04:04.07 | T0mW | not for nuthin' but if the PXA was such a good chip, why did InTel sell off the product line? |
| 04:04.38 | KingTaco | T0mW, look at the P4 line..... intel doesn't always make good decisions..... |
| 04:04.52 | KingTaco | netburst-- |
| 04:04.52 | T0mW | yeah, the must have bumbled into the 8051 |
| 04:04.55 | ds2 | blind love for x86? :) |
| 04:05.02 | KingTaco | opterons ftw |
| 04:05.03 | T0mW | s/the/they |
| 04:05.04 | solar | they are moving to that new multimedia chip afaik that blows all existing arms to dirt. |
| 04:05.18 | T0mW | the IOP348 is a smoker |
| 04:05.29 | T0mW | 1200MHz and it runs fast |
| 04:05.54 | T0mW | of course it had a tiny fan mounted on the heatsink glued to the top of the chip... |
| 04:05.59 | solar | with same power usage.. 4x preformace (same price range targeted). Hard to fight with that |
| 04:06.24 | solar | oh you got one already? |
| 04:06.28 | solar | heat sink? |
| 04:06.29 | RobotGuy | solar: Greets |
| 04:06.48 | solar | RobotGuy: evening |
| 04:07.11 | T0mW | I had a dev board in here with a P/O for a job. It had 8 SATA-300 (320G drives) drives in a RAID-5 array. |
| 04:07.34 | T0mW | the ISCSI xfer rate was somewhere near 56MB/s |
| 04:07.49 | T0mW | that was over the internal gigabit lan |
| 04:08.00 | ds2 | what's the processor power draw? |
| 04:08.19 | solar | RobotGuy: have you had a chance to meet KingTaco? He is a guy I work with. Also happens to work on the Gentoo Project(recently joined our embedded team). He saw the 40pin DIP and fell in love for it's usefulness in prototyping. You two might get along for your respective future projects. |
| 04:08.25 | T0mW | they had a 100W supply on that system. the 8 drives where 2.5inch laptop drives. |
| 04:08.46 | T0mW | the supply was a scaled down ATX supply |
| 04:08.47 | RobotGuy | I have talked to him a little bit. :) |
| 04:09.06 | solar | KingTaco: RobotGuy is working on a full on robot.. He might be handy to ya. |
| 04:09.28 | solar | e-intro is over.. |
| 04:09.35 | RobotGuy | solar: I've filled 9.1 MB of the flash now. |
| 04:09.35 | T0mW | RobotGuy: Hey, I would like a small army of bots to mow my lawn. |
| 04:09.54 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I am designing three different real small robots. |
| 04:09.54 | T0mW | RobotGuy: little guys like from Farscape? |
| 04:10.04 | RobotGuy | Not quite. |
| 04:10.20 | T0mW | yeah, the batteries will be bigger than those bots |
| 04:10.22 | RobotGuy | I think the smallest is about 3" x 3" |
| 04:10.26 | T0mW | cool |
| 04:10.33 | solar | T0mW: replace the blades on a roomba? |
| 04:10.33 | T0mW | what is the runtime? |
| 04:10.44 | RobotGuy | W.A.L.T.E.R. will carry some and deploy them as a swarm. :) |
| 04:11.14 | solar | RobotGuy: 9.1 (you got 2.3 left) ? |
| 04:11.21 | RobotGuy | I haven't built any of the small bots yet. Still in design phase on the bodies. |
| 04:11.25 | T0mW | yeah, I would like them to swarm out to do cut the grass. Would be far more entertaining to watch them do it than a single big robot mower. |
| 04:11.37 | RobotGuy | It says 4.6 MB left. |
| 04:11.51 | solar | I'd like a robot right now to go fetch me a shot of whiskey |
| 04:12.03 | RobotGuy | W.A.L.T.E.R. has an arm now. |
| 04:12.08 | T0mW | doesn't drink |
| 04:12.13 | KingTaco | solar, trying to avoid the robotics.... too many projects currently |
| 04:12.22 | RobotGuy | With the right servos it could fetch something like a drink. |
| 04:12.26 | T0mW | KingTaco: yeah, I need a lathe |
| 04:12.34 | KingTaco | lemme conquer HAM first |
| 04:12.39 | solar | KingTaco: check this idea out. |
| 04:12.51 | RobotGuy | KingTaco: W.A.L.T.E.R. is a full Hammer based mobile embedded system. |
| 04:13.02 | T0mW | KingTaco: 1W remote control from a central computer... say 430MHz? |
| 04:13.20 | KingTaco | T0mW, rofl, sounds like fin |
| 04:13.22 | KingTaco | fun |
| 04:13.37 | T0mW | or, wifi 'em |
| 04:13.43 | solar | KingTaco: we have a 6k budget to build a stupid soapbox car.. Why not replace our cardboard darthvader with something more useful? |
| 04:14.02 | KingTaco | solar, heh |
| 04:14.13 | KingTaco | make a robot |
| 04:14.13 | T0mW | simple brain to navigate, the house computer is then "big brother". |
| 04:14.15 | KingTaco | you know the car is a marketing thing though |
| 04:14.16 | RobotGuy | solar: I still haven't got the package unmasking figured out. |
| 04:14.22 | solar | wants to tell the postman to dance in the darth voice |
| 04:14.45 | KingTaco | find a way to turn a robot into a marketing thing and I bet you'd get the budget |
| 04:14.48 | RobotGuy | Ooooooh, what I could do with that kind of money.. |
| 04:15.08 | T0mW | RobotGuy: Vulture-capitalize? |
| 04:15.20 | RobotGuy | Everybody who sees W.A.L.T.E.R. likes him. |
| 04:15.27 | solar | we are lucky to still me small enough :) |
| 04:15.35 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I would love to start my own small business. |
| 04:15.56 | T0mW | RobotGuy: just do it. most people are afraid to do that. |
| 04:16.11 | RobotGuy | T0mW: To just do it, requires money. |
| 04:16.43 | T0mW | I fell into it. I quit my last day job about 15 years ago doing R&D, then found myself doing consulting about 2 years later. |
| 04:17.25 | T0mW | They pushed me into a corner and I quit on principle. Hurt like heck for 6months as I wasn't financially prepared to do that. |
| 04:17.53 | solar | 6months and you were good? |
| 04:17.58 | T0mW | fixed commercial radios part time, did some part time engineering, then the work started to come my way |
| 04:18.06 | solar | how did you handle sales? |
| 04:18.12 | T0mW | word of mouth |
| 04:18.26 | solar | did you work your own deals? Set prices etc? |
| 04:18.34 | KingTaco | solar, other net for a sec |
| 04:18.37 | solar | I found that to be the hardest part of pimping "self" |
| 04:18.58 | T0mW | the IOP348 job came to me on a referral from someone who I sold an upgrade for their zipit Z1. |
| 04:19.12 | T0mW | pricing is hardest to do. |
| 04:19.46 | T0mW | but, I was talking to an oldtimer one day on 2M FM and he was a retired self-employed electrician. |
| 04:19.48 | RobotGuy | Right now, all I want to do is get W.A.L.T.E.R. fully operational. |
| 04:20.20 | T0mW | he told me to wait until I had plenty of work, then choose one job and bid high on it. If you get the job, then you still don't know what you are worth. |
| 04:20.38 | T0mW | when you start losing jobs, you have found your true marketplace worth. |
| 04:21.00 | T0mW | I'm worth between $70..$80/hr |
| 04:22.42 | T0mW | solar: it is weird, it seems the more knowledge I put out on my website, the more work that I get. |
| 04:23.09 | solar | T0mW: I generally told my clients I charge about $125 an hr and then gave them a discount |
| 04:23.17 | T0mW | you would think the opposite would happen, that people would steal from you and not get hired. |
| 04:23.28 | solar | which worked about to be the same 75-80 an hr. |
| 04:23.47 | solar | but dunno I found sales to be the hard part when all you want to do is geek out |
| 04:23.51 | T0mW | yeah, but they usually have a price in mind when they do the approach. |
| 04:25.15 | T0mW | I have a few contacts in the industry that I am in, go to the trade shows and talk geek with the engineers that are there. I am planning to pass that new S3C2410 board around to see if anyone is interested in a spinoff. |
| 04:26.20 | T0mW | the problem with being self-employed is that you just don't have to be the engineer, but also the book keeper, the PR man, the janitor, etc. |
| 04:26.47 | T0mW | you also have to dump money back into your business, not everything that comes in is profit. |
| 04:28.07 | T0mW | so far, in the past year, $2k for new workstation, $600 for new 24inch monitor, few thousand for board doodles, $600 for new solder station. |
| 04:28.39 | solar | knows it all to well. |
| 04:28.48 | solar | Are you doing ok at it? |
| 04:29.17 | T0mW | haven't missed any meals, car is 7 years old, but am buying a house for the first time in 20 years. |
| 04:29.30 | T0mW | I hit the rocks after my divorce... |
| 04:29.57 | solar | you mean drinking a tad too much? |
| 04:30.07 | T0mW | somthing like that |
| 04:30.14 | KingTaco | solar, what driver are you using for the usb interface on the nail? |
| 04:31.03 | T0mW | six years ago I was flat broke |
| 04:31.16 | solar | KingTaco: start here. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=4&chap=1 (skip 3.2 - 3.3) I have better ways |
| 04:32.21 | solar | KingTaco: take the kernel off the CD. Apply the patch in the gnail dir and the linux.config. The grab the apex-1.5.x off the CD. Add the .config I gave ya. |
| 04:32.35 | solar | that brings you to where I am right now. Pre-audio |
| 04:32.41 | RobotGuy | thinks solar has the force. :) |
| 04:32.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 04:32.51 | solar | KingTaco: or just run ./flashme |
| 04:33.02 | T0mW | blob of this, dash of that, stir... |
| 04:33.21 | solar | No reason for him to waste time to get to where I'm at. |
| 04:33.40 | solar | speed that up.. He advances. While I advance. Everybody wins :) |
| 04:33.47 | T0mW | true |
| 04:34.25 | solar | We are evil and want to show everybody the power of gentoo when used correctly. |
| 04:34.28 | T0mW | the real issue is not the knowledge you give people that has value, it is whether they can understand the knowledge you give to them. |
| 04:34.30 | KingTaco | solar, no, driver on my host workstatio |
| 04:34.31 | KingTaco | n |
| 04:34.49 | solar | ok. she is here. catch ya in a few hrs. |
| 04:34.59 | KingTaco | have fun :( |
| 04:35.04 | T0mW | SHE has the power. |
| 04:35.08 | RobotGuy | T0mW: And apply it. |
| 04:36.18 | T0mW | RobotGuy: yeah, I've seen / worked with enough guys that I have seen the ones that know what was in the book but couldn't think beyond it. |
| 04:36.44 | RobotGuy | Yep |
| 04:37.04 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I never got locked into book thinking. |
| 04:37.11 | T0mW | FWIW, analog engineers are freakin' wizzards of magik |
| 04:37.56 | T0mW | minority carriers and barrier penatration, yada yada |
| 04:38.57 | T0mW | all right, time to stop playing on the computer. nite all. |
| 04:39.10 | RobotGuy | T0mW`gone: Gnight |
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| 13:54.32 | prpplague | cbrake: ping |
| 13:54.55 | prpplague | solar: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeboxController |
| 14:01.05 | cbrake | prpplague: hey |
| 14:01.33 | cbrake | prpplague: got the new hammer module. I've been travelling all last week, so today is my first day back in the office |
| 14:02.47 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh ok, just wanted to make sure |
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| 14:22.12 | chouimat | happy Canada Day everyone |
| 14:24.29 | insearchof | Canada Day? |
| 14:24.38 | insearchof | :-) just kidding |
| 14:43.00 | solar | prpplague: that hackable? |
| 14:43.43 | solar | looks yes |
| 14:53.52 | prpplague | solar: yea, ben dooks just pushed the linux support for it |
| 15:03.13 | solar | prpplague: so how far off are the sc32412 drivers from stuff we desire? |
| 15:03.59 | solar | s3c |
| 15:04.12 | prpplague | solar: very little |
| 15:04.44 | prpplague | solar: almost of all the s3c2412 stuff actually is just defines for the s3c2410 |
| 15:05.05 | solar | very little. Like not very useful to us? Or very little off and any drivers they hacked up can be made to work with the things we work on? |
| 15:05.13 | solar | ahh |
| 15:12.13 | prpplague | solar: there is almost no difference between the drivers for the s3c2410 and the sc2412 |
| 15:12.16 | prpplague | s3c2412 |
| 15:15.41 | solar | prpplague: ok. So were you just pointing out a cool device. Or were you wanting me to pick up one of those and stop bugging tct about making perfect devices? |
| 15:15.49 | solar | :) |
| 15:16.24 | prpplague | solar: hehe, mainly as a test platform to find out if those features work well for alot of people |
| 15:17.46 | solar | $299 (amazon,buy.com,jr.com) |
| 15:18.44 | solar | supprised they only used the 200mhz in something that is supposed to play 16bit video |
| 15:20.09 | prpplague | solar: the s3c2412 is pretty robust |
| 15:22.14 | solar | tct works with the 2410 and the 2440? |
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| 15:28.28 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 15:28.33 | prpplague | solar: currently |
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| 16:03.43 | solar | prpplague: so you planning on picking one of those up? |
| 16:03.55 | prpplague | solar: thinking abou tit |
| 16:03.57 | prpplague | it |
| 16:05.23 | solar | more I look at the specs. The more tempted as well |
| 16:09.41 | prpplague | solar: you could almost make that a phone |
| 16:10.14 | solar | nearly yes. |
| 16:11.01 | solar | what do you think they are using the 3-Axis Accelerometer for? Screen flipping? |
| 16:11.37 | prpplague | solar: not sure, my guess is probably more gee-whiz feature |
| 16:28.47 | solar | fights with trying to get the PTZ functions working |
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| 17:19.37 | sunrunner20 | solar: my tablet has an accelerometer... I don't use it for anything lol |
| 17:20.48 | sunrunner20 | 1. its got a regular HDD 2. it weighs like 7 pounds |
| 17:21.05 | sunrunner20 | lets "accelerate" 7 pounds towards me |
| 17:21.06 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 17:21.15 | sunrunner20 | *slip* |
| 17:21.34 | sunrunner20 | *walk in to work with a black eye the next day* |
| 17:23.39 | prpplague | refrains from making jokes regarding the nudie bar |
| 17:24.40 | solar | funny I captured that very thing this morn while playing with this cam |
| 17:25.50 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 17:25.55 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 17:26.11 | sunrunner20 | we just got one of our cats back from being shaved at the vet |
| 17:29.51 | T0mW | is playing with heatsinks |
| 17:30.15 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 17:30.17 | T0mW | prpplague: did you mention "nudie bar"? |
| 17:30.23 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:30.31 | T0mW | :P |
| 17:31.01 | prpplague | i'm gonna open my own place someday, "Dave's Nudie Bar and Embedded Linux Consulting" |
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| 17:31.54 | prpplague | "where the electronics are _coool_ and the women are _hot_!" |
| 17:32.39 | CosmicPenguin | has multiple other tag lines that are not suitable for family IRC |
| 17:34.01 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 17:34.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:34.37 | T0mW | sigh, so much drama today, it is wearing me out. |
| 17:34.47 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: what compiler do you usually use for 8051 work? |
| 17:35.06 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: old old Archemedes v3 compiler |
| 17:35.21 | T0mW | msdos command line, no GUI |
| 17:35.37 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: runs well under dosemu |
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| 17:36.45 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 17:36.51 | CosmicPenguin | teh old skool |
| 17:37.09 | CosmicPenguin | I was playing with asem51 |
| 17:37.14 | CosmicPenguin | works on linux, but closed source |
| 17:37.20 | T0mW | Archemedes v4 sux'ed big time, we paid $2K for version 3 |
| 17:37.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what 8051 device are you playing with? |
| 17:37.39 | CosmicPenguin | its a secret |
| 17:37.48 | CosmicPenguin | I could tell you, but then I would have to kill chouimat|busy |
| 17:37.56 | T0mW | tell us! |
| 17:38.16 | T0mW | ~lart chouimat for being too quiet lately |
| 17:38.17 | purl | turns chouimat into a lifesized tux doll for being too quiet lately |
| 17:38.50 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: :'-( |
| 17:39.07 | T0mW | Well, the septic failed the test, they botched the repair. So contract is cancelled. |
| 17:39.12 | T0mW | BUT |
| 17:39.22 | chouimat|busy | hi CosmicPenguin prpplague T0mW ... |
| 17:39.32 | prpplague | greetings |
| 17:39.37 | chouimat|busy | T0mW: sorry for being quiet I was doing the dishes .... |
| 17:39.48 | T0mW | They now understand that we will tell the bank to go forward with the forclosure and pick it up from the bank later on. |
| 17:40.09 | T0mW | So! Good News! They are going to fix the septic ... again. |
| 17:40.15 | T0mW | drame |
| 17:40.17 | T0mW | drama |
| 17:40.21 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: seriously though... |
| 17:40.31 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: http://failblog.org/2008/06/30/sophistication-fail/ |
| 17:40.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: one of the biggest obstacles to free firmware on x86 boxes today is a little evil entity known as an embedded controller |
| 17:48.38 | RobotGuy | What's an embedded controller? |
| 17:50.29 | CosmicPenguin | I'm glad you asked |
| 17:50.50 | CosmicPenguin | an embedded controller is usually something with an 8051 core that manages some side tasks on the system |
| 17:50.59 | CosmicPenguin | usually thermal monitoring and button presses |
| 17:51.10 | CosmicPenguin | but also power sequencing, especially on laptops |
| 17:51.21 | solar | ahh foo. I don't think the usb-web-cam thing is going to work so easy with the nail. Userland programs require libSDL |
| 17:52.20 | RobotGuy | solar: They do? |
| 17:52.46 | RobotGuy | has filled 11.3 MB of the flash on his Hammer/Nail now. |
| 17:53.24 | solar | RobotGuy: yikes. I'll check it out in a little and see what I can help ya slim out |
| 17:53.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: alot of harddrives you can actually get a serial console on |
| 17:53.32 | prpplague | solar: darn |
| 17:53.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Interesting. |
| 17:54.03 | solar | prpplague: turns out it cross compiled fine just now. I expected that thing to blow up. |
| 17:54.58 | RobotGuy | solar: Actually, I have one thing in my image I do not need - tcl. |
| 17:55.25 | RobotGuy | I want to replace lighttpd with boa. |
| 17:55.56 | solar | and you should. |
| 17:56.09 | solar | did you figure out why you needed boa? |
| 17:56.22 | solar | vs busybox-httpd? |
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| 17:56.31 | CosmicPenguin | httpd rules |
| 17:56.45 | CosmicPenguin | erm - thttpd rather |
| 17:57.27 | RobotGuy | solar: I just don't think busybox will give me the functionality I need. I need as much of the functionality of Apache as I can get. |
| 17:57.32 | T0mW | thinks that everyone should go back to archie + gopher, then start over |
| 17:58.14 | RobotGuy | solar: Ummm, no. Right now I am just seeing how much I can stuff into flash. :) |
| 17:58.23 | CosmicPenguin | The doorbell rings - its Tim Berners Lee and a pair of nunchucks |
| 17:59.04 | T0mW | lol |
| 17:59.23 | RobotGuy | I just can't get boa unmasked. :( |
| 17:59.35 | ds2 | hahaha |
| 18:00.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague, solar, T0mW, and, um, CosmicPenguin: G'Morning. |
| 18:00.41 | T0mW | RobotGuy: hey |
| 18:01.11 | T0mW | RobotGuy: it is later than you think |
| 18:01.42 | RobotGuy | T0mW: You could be right. |
| 18:02.01 | ds2 | he could be in HI ;) |
| 18:02.33 | T0mW | right, we might have to check his timezone. It might be even later than we think |
| 18:02.47 | RobotGuy | hides his timezone |
| 18:03.16 | RobotGuy | lives in a wormhole |
| 18:04.10 | T0mW | why is it that the further west you go, it gets earlier and when you cross the international date line, it is suddenly tomorrow? |
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| 18:04.21 | T0mW | shouldn't it be yesterday? |
| 18:05.15 | ds2 | as far as time is concerned, the earth is not a sphere, but rather a fancy 3D spiral? :) |
| 18:05.32 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Yesterday, today was tomorrow, but tomorrow, today will be yesterday. |
| 18:05.46 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: lighthttpd? |
| 18:05.50 | T0mW | ds2: good point, Einstien would have liked to talk with you. |
| 18:06.02 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: lighttpd |
| 18:06.31 | ds2 | I was just about 30years too late ;) |
| 18:06.33 | sunrunner20 | will that find the needs? |
| 18:06.52 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I do not know. Looking for documentation now. |
| 18:07.01 | sunrunner20 | k |
| 18:07.05 | sunrunner20 | somebody beat me to it? |
| 18:07.10 | T0mW | is looking around for the lost needs |
| 18:07.50 | ds2 | dumb question but why are there so many light weight web servers around... the HTTP protocol is trivial enough it can be implemented as part of a script (yes, I have done it.) |
| 18:08.21 | T0mW | ftp even |
| 18:08.26 | sunrunner20 | because different people want it done their way :) |
| 18:08.33 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 18:09.31 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 18:09.33 | sunrunner20 | with upx |
| 18:09.40 | sunrunner20 | you can compile a pretty small apache |
| 18:09.48 | sunrunner20 | removing unnessacary crap |
| 18:12.46 | RobotGuy | I already know Apache2 - I configure Apache by hand. :) I'd like to be able to use Python for CGI. |
| 18:13.14 | sunrunner20 | lighttpd had cgi |
| 18:13.17 | sunrunner20 | *has |
| 18:13.31 | sunrunner20 | because it does PHP through CGI |
| 18:13.40 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I jnow this. So does Apache, but it still needs mod_python. |
| 18:14.17 | RobotGuy | I don't want to add PHP though. |
| 18:14.35 | RobotGuy | I want to leverage Python for as much as possible. |
| 18:14.58 | RobotGuy | And sqlite, which I also have in flash now. |
| 18:15.55 | sunrunner20 | http://cleverdevil.org/computing/24/python-fastcgi-wsgi-and-lighttpd |
| 18:21.23 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Many thanks for that link. :) This is quite interesting. I think I will install lighttpd on my main environment and tinker with it. Dang, got to get converted to Gentoo so I can tinker with the same stuff I will use on W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 18:21.40 | sunrunner20 | google is your friend :) |
| 18:23.03 | RobotGuy | Yes, I know. That's how I found docs for lighttpd, CherryPy, and Twisted.web |
| 18:23.23 | RobotGuy | I just need to choose the best components to learn for what I want to do. |
| 18:23.47 | RobotGuy | CherryPy is looking pretty good right now. |
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| 18:28.35 | RobotGuy | I think lighttpd + CherryPy (or maybe twisted-web) will work for me. |
| 18:36.31 | RobotGuy | I have definitely GOT to get my Gentoo environment bootable. |
| 18:37.36 | agaffney | it's really not hard :P |
| 18:37.56 | agaffney | I'm about to reboot my "new" DL360 into gentoo |
| 18:38.02 | agaffney | I'm curious how grub will handle the cciss |
| 18:47.06 | agaffney | it apparently handled it quite well |
| 18:48.09 | RobotGuy | agaffney: Well, I am having difficulty doing it. My gentoo env was not created with making it fully bootable in mind. I've been chrooting into it from Kubuntu. |
| 18:51.11 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:52.03 | RobotGuy | I want to convert my Gentoo environment to fully bootable and convert completely from Kubuntu. |
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| 19:19.19 | solar | thats easy enough to do |
| 19:25.25 | T0mW | yeah, just don't format the /home partition |
| 19:31.07 | RobotGuy | I think there are some problems, but I don't know how to fix them. |
| 19:34.05 | T0mW | I never upgrade, always wipe every volume clean but /home and /DataStore |
| 19:34.57 | T0mW | helps keep me paranoid |
| 19:37.24 | solar | fun with the nail leds. http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/tct/nail-leds.avi |
| 19:49.01 | RobotGuy | T0mW: That's usually what I do also, but that's not possible in this case. |
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| 23:23.03 | tunsnoa | is anyone here the coder for edje_editor? |
| 23:26.13 | tunsnoa | there's not much hope for me to know what the heck is going on there, but I ran into some undefined references while compiling |
| 23:31.55 | RobotGuy | What platform? |
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| 23:35.42 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hi |
| 23:37.27 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Howdy! |
| 23:37.40 | RobotGuy | How is everything? |
| 23:37.46 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Pretty good. |
| 23:37.51 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 23:37.55 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I've been hammerless for a while though :-/ |
| 23:38.01 | RobotGuy | Why? |
| 23:38.24 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: The one I had belonged to the school. |
| 23:38.37 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Still working on my replacement. |
| 23:38.37 | RobotGuy | Ooooh, well you need one for yourself then. :) |
| 23:38.49 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Prp is supposed to get back to me on that. |
| 23:38.55 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 23:39.19 | RobotGuy | I'd actually like to get another Nail Board and add pin headers on the bottom. |
| 23:39.31 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: The nail is neat. |
| 23:39.39 | RobotGuy | Yes, it certainly is! |
| 23:40.09 | RobotGuy | I think it will make the perfect companion to a solderless breadboard. |
| 23:42.17 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yep, great for that. |
| 23:43.10 | RobotGuy | I'm anxious to see the first of the Hammer-RDP prototypes when they are made also. |
| 23:49.04 | tunsnoa | RobotGuy amd64, gentoo linux |
| 23:49.40 | tunsnoa | i've put the errors up on a 1 day pastbin |
| 23:49.48 | tunsnoa | http://pastebin.com/d6af7bec2 |
| 23:49.58 | RobotGuy | I don't have any experience with amd64, sorry. |
| 23:50.53 | tunsnoa | It's a code problem somewhere, not really anything else. undefined reference means that whatever has the thing isn't in existence prior to its use |