| 00:00.36 | g1powermac | I think it went through the dryer too |
| 00:04.32 | CosmicPenguin | time to hit the road, jack |
| 01:17.15 | ds2 | this has been a quiet monday |
| 01:19.50 | g1powermac_PB | ya |
| 01:20.42 | ds2 | hope no one here lost a limb due to M80's and hey... look at this... ;) |
| 01:21.37 | g1powermac_PB | meh, screw the m80, I love the mortars I can get in Indiana :-) |
| 01:22.18 | g1powermac_PB | actually, I can get a 1/4 stick of dynamite from Indiana. . . |
| 01:23.26 | g1powermac_PB | having such legal fireworks though out here takes the fun out of it |
| 01:23.47 | g1powermac_PB | back in NJ, even sparklers were banned, so half the fun was running from the cops all night ;-) |
| 01:24.11 | SpeedEvil | The cops have their own bangers, to make things more exciting. |
| 01:24.50 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
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| 03:28.48 | sunrunner20 | why is it |
| 03:28.59 | sunrunner20 | all of irc seems to be turning into trash? |
| 03:29.06 | RobotGuy | Because we like it that way? |
| 03:29.11 | RobotGuy | :P |
| 03:29.28 | sunrunner20 | #photogeeks is another channel thats now off my list :| |
| 03:29.33 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: How do you like that FIOS? |
| 03:30.26 | sunrunner20 | oh wow |
| 03:30.29 | sunrunner20 | pixterdev |
| 03:30.53 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Hasn't most of IRC been that way for a long time? |
| 03:31.00 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 03:31.09 | sunrunner20 | least not for me |
| 03:31.30 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: You are still young. The newness has not worn off yet. :P |
| 03:31.33 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: why? /me has had some deeply annoying conversations with camera geeks that diddn't want to believe that there are a given number of photons hitting a lens, and you can't get better than that. |
| 03:32.07 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 03:32.36 | sunrunner20 | I just had some <censored> tell me I had personality issues when everybody else was bitching at me about how my shots sucked when I asked questions |
| 03:32.42 | sunrunner20 | when In reality |
| 03:33.04 | sunrunner20 | I was just croping off excess so they could see what the heck i was talking about -_- |
| 03:33.21 | SpeedEvil | Some channels are poisoned by a vocal minority. |
| 03:33.49 | sunrunner20 | time to find a nice forum |
| 03:33.53 | SpeedEvil | Who end up as a majority as they effectively make the culture hostile to sane people. |
| 03:33.57 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 03:34.17 | SpeedEvil | wishes usenet wasn't broken in huge swathes. |
| 03:35.01 | SpeedEvil | Globally archived client-neutral forums have very big plusses. |
| 03:35.17 | SpeedEvil | Without single points of failure. |
| 03:35.27 | SpeedEvil | I point at www.airdisaster.com |
| 03:35.50 | sunrunner20 | http://brainspore.net/halp.png |
| 03:35.54 | sunrunner20 | I note that for example |
| 03:35.57 | SpeedEvil | that was a forum with a 8(?) year history, frequented by pilots, people in the know, and others with an interest in air incidents. |
| 03:36.26 | SpeedEvil | With informed discussion on risks in the aviation industry and discussion of events. |
| 03:36.26 | sunrunner20 | I state a very clear question (is there still noise?, or is it removed) |
| 03:36.51 | SpeedEvil | Then the hardware suffered a double failure and the backup was corrupt, and now it's gone. |
| 03:38.10 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 03:38.34 | sunrunner20 | wow |
| 03:38.53 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 50000 posts, of historical interest, and all gone. |
| 03:38.53 | sunrunner20 | sounds like a numnuted admin |
| 03:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Yes - well... |
| 03:39.29 | sunrunner20 | depends on what hapened to the arhive though |
| 03:39.39 | SpeedEvil | Do you know that all forums that you find valuable have off-site backups and plans to continue after a hardware failure, or after the admins death. |
| 03:39.44 | SpeedEvil | What archive? |
| 03:39.48 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 03:39.53 | sunrunner20 | DEATH |
| 03:40.04 | SpeedEvil | No - it wasn't in this case. |
| 03:40.51 | sunrunner20 | its kinda moot for me |
| 03:40.54 | sunrunner20 | on ocf |
| 03:41.01 | sunrunner20 | if we lost all of our old posts |
| 03:41.09 | sunrunner20 | it would be kinda moot for most of it |
| 03:41.18 | sunrunner20 | as its a technology forum |
| 03:41.38 | SpeedEvil | It's interesting for historical research. |
| 03:41.59 | sunrunner20 | to see how many nubs didn't use the search function? |
| 03:43.25 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: you interested in home automation at all? |
| 03:43.34 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: you any good at software dev? |
| 03:43.49 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I do OK. Why? |
| 03:44.01 | sunrunner20 | just wondering |
| 03:44.12 | RobotGuy | Depends on the type of development - something I am interested in or not interested in, |
| 03:44.22 | sunrunner20 | wondering if it would be worth it to get a crew together to do a home automation deal |
| 03:44.46 | RobotGuy | I think it depends on what you want to do. |
| 03:45.06 | RobotGuy | I already have plenty of stuff going now. |
| 03:45.17 | RobotGuy | Lots of stuff to learn. |
| 03:45.34 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: what do you mean? |
| 03:45.55 | sunrunner20 | get a whole new level of home automation service going |
| 03:45.58 | sunrunner20 | eg |
| 03:46.01 | sunrunner20 | voice |
| 03:46.14 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean - a installer service? |
| 03:46.21 | sunrunner20 | and hardware production |
| 03:46.26 | sunrunner20 | theres a lot of stuff thats not made yet |
| 03:46.27 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 03:47.00 | sunrunner20 | a huge issue is http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/sdk/ |
| 03:47.05 | RobotGuy | Just because stuff isn't made yet, doesn't necessarily mean it should be made. :) You have to have a good plan. |
| 03:47.35 | sunrunner20 | as far as I know nuance is the leader in voice recongition |
| 03:47.43 | sunrunner20 | but it win only |
| 03:47.52 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 03:48.00 | SpeedEvil | You mean a keyword, then what to do? |
| 03:48.02 | sunrunner20 | get it working w/ WINE etc |
| 03:48.07 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 03:48.23 | SpeedEvil | "I'm too lazy to open the curtains". "I'm too lazy to arm the security system". |
| 03:48.31 | sunrunner20 | hahahaha |
| 03:49.12 | sunrunner20 | and I'd need a voice specialist :\ |
| 03:49.38 | sunrunner20 | that'll be the hardest part of it all |
| 03:49.42 | sunrunner20 | of all the ideas |
| 03:49.49 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 03:51.01 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 03:51.02 | sunrunner20 | http://www.diaphonics.com/ |
| 03:51.34 | sunrunner20 | I knew there would be a solution already in existance |
| 03:51.46 | SpeedEvil | stabs the lack of free linux speech software. |
| 03:52.18 | RobotGuy | The key is FREE. There is good stuff for Linux but it is behind closed doors. :( |
| 03:52.25 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:54.57 | sunrunner20 | no suprize |
| 03:55.03 | sunrunner20 | any idea how complicated it is? |
| 03:55.12 | SpeedEvil | horribly |
| 03:55.31 | sunrunner20 | yea, these companies have to make money |
| 03:55.34 | SpeedEvil | Also, the little players got eaten. |
| 03:55.58 | SpeedEvil | I'd be quite happy - for some apps - with dragondictate, or viavoice class speech recognition. |
| 03:56.02 | sunrunner20 | and with the OS buisness model untested they won't dare use it |
| 03:56.14 | SpeedEvil | Which ran just fine on a PPro160 |
| 03:56.22 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 03:56.26 | sunrunner20 | dragondictate |
| 03:56.41 | sunrunner20 | I think its called Dragon Natrually speaking now |
| 03:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Same with OCR |
| 03:59.41 | SpeedEvil | Which again is a hard problem. |
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| 04:16.57 | sunrunner20 | note to self |
| 04:16.59 | sunrunner20 | kill hdd |
| 04:17.05 | sunrunner20 | take picutures |
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| 06:35.46 | methril | yo |
| 06:36.09 | RobotGuy | Half a yo yo! |
| 06:37.15 | methril | yes, allways half |
| 06:37.18 | methril | yo yo!! :) |
| 06:37.30 | RobotGuy | :P |
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| 07:16.51 | rektide | well son of a bitch |
| 07:16.53 | rektide | hiya guys |
| 07:17.26 | rektide | i hope dirty PPC heathens are ok idling in here |
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| 07:22.41 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
| 07:24.19 | RobotGuy | As long as the language stays G rated. :) |
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| 12:12.21 | g1powermac_PB | uh oh, this isn't good, the local big city is having an electronics recycling day, I wonder if they'd let me go through the stuff they get before they recycle it. . . ;-) |
| 12:12.47 | agaffney | hah |
| 12:17.27 | g1powermac_PB | ok, if they let me go through it, I think I could easily fill my basement ;-) |
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| 13:38.13 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ping |
| 13:39.47 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 13:43.27 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 13:49.52 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:54.38 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, pong |
| 13:55.04 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: freaking ebay people sent me the z2, i'm resending it to you today, sorry about that |
| 13:55.14 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, alrighty |
| 13:55.27 | g1powermac_PB | oh, could you throw in that bluetooth module too? |
| 13:55.37 | g1powermac_PB | the replacement one |
| 13:57.05 | prpplague | yea, will do |
| 13:57.10 | g1powermac_PB | k, thanks |
| 13:58.34 | g1powermac_PB | ponders how he can get the local city to let me in on the electronic recycling center to rummage through their stuff ;-) |
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| 14:02.14 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: you see target cut their prices as well for the z2 |
| 14:02.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague, g1powermac: G'Morning |
| 14:03.51 | prpplague | greetings |
| 14:10.56 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, ya |
| 14:11.09 | g1powermac_PB | morning RobotGuy |
| 14:11.16 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: wonder if the zipit guys are in a crunch |
| 14:12.07 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, maybe, but I think they're changing they're business plan |
| 14:12.17 | g1powermac_PB | they're going for the subscription plan |
| 14:12.41 | chouimat|work | prpplague http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/08/missing.mother.ap/index.html |
| 14:13.17 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: oh, they are going to start requiring a subscription? |
| 14:13.33 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea saw that this morning |
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| 14:14.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:14.57 | CosmicPenguin | yodelay |
| 14:16.01 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, thats what I heard |
| 14:16.18 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, supposedly you'll have an option to go either way |
| 14:16.34 | g1powermac_PB | but for us hackers, the cheapy version still works fine :-) |
| 14:16.35 | RobotGuy | I have to get my buildroot setup over to Gentoo now - finally got my Gentoo setup bootable. |
| 14:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | Since t0mw isn't here, any other 8051 experts in the house? |
| 14:16.51 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the question is will they still let you buy it without the subscription |
| 14:17.00 | g1powermac_PB | CosmicPenguin: I know quite a bit about 8051s :-) |
| 14:17.04 | RobotGuy | points at g1powermac |
| 14:17.11 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 14:17.15 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, yea, quite a few on #zipit have done it |
| 14:17.53 | g1powermac_PB | you need the subscription to get it working online using their software, but once hacked, it makes no difference from what I'm understanding |
| 14:18.49 | CosmicPenguin | g1powermac_PB: okay - when I turn on the IDL bit in SCON, do the internal timers still tick? |
| 14:19.07 | CosmicPenguin | s/SCON/PCON/ |
| 14:19.35 | g1powermac_PB | CosmicPenguin: hmm, going to have to look that up. . .lemme see |
| 14:20.39 | RobotGuy | Anyone going to OSCON this year? |
| 14:21.39 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, interesting |
| 14:22.01 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, you'd have to check your chip specifically |
| 14:22.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: quich flyswatter question: what's wrong when I get this error from openocd? Error: ft2232.c:1341 ft2232_init_ftd2xx(): unable to open ftdi device: 18 |
| 14:22.28 | CosmicPenguin | g1powermac: okay - thanks |
| 14:23.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: usually that occurrs when openocd can;t match the specified description string with a usb device, this is done via usbfs and libusb |
| 14:23.24 | prpplague | g1powermac: start by checking the /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 14:23.31 | prpplague | g1powermac: oops that was GPSFan |
| 14:23.43 | GPSFan | ah, probably need to turn on usbfs. it's not normally on on this box... thanks.. |
| 14:23.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: np |
| 14:25.23 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, yea, thats one of those things that each manufacturer is going to change up a bit |
| 14:26.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you still having reliability issues when flashing the nail board? |
| 14:27.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not anymore. Still not sure what happened to the other Hammer. Everything has been working great with Gentoo Embedded. |
| 14:27.15 | g1powermac | prpplague, oh over the weekend I had an interesting idea for the hammer/nail till i realized it didn't have all the hardware to do it |
| 14:27.18 | CosmicPenguin | g1powermac: okay - one thing I don't get is if the timers tick on machine cycles, where do the machine cycles come from if the clocks are off? :) |
| 14:27.44 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, hah, now thats a good question |
| 14:27.45 | RobotGuy | I wish I had a working hammer on my carrier board now. Got to get some serious interfacing done. |
| 14:27.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: does the flyswatter need to be connected to the target? I'm now getting the same error but for device 2 vs 18. |
| 14:28.14 | RobotGuy | I love the Nail Board for development! |
| 14:28.24 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, it then prolly turns off your timers then, now that you mention that ;-) |
| 14:28.59 | g1powermac | prpplague, what I wanted to do was something like usb over wifi or bluetooth with the hammer on one end and a custom driver running on a computer at the other end |
| 14:29.27 | prpplague | g1powermac: one sec |
| 14:29.32 | g1powermac | prpplague, only thing was the hammer only has usb1.1 ports, which kinda defeats the purpose on using high speed wifi |
| 14:29.33 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Wow, that's quite a project. USB over wireless like WUSB? |
| 14:29.45 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, ya |
| 14:29.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: start by checking the /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 14:30.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices | grep -e Flyswatter |
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| 14:30.52 | g1powermac | with 802.11g or better yet n, you'd have a really neat wireless usb solution |
| 14:31.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: S: Product=Flyswatter |
| 14:32.00 | g1powermac | I guess theoretically I could just use an old computer with a wifi card in it to develop the system |
| 14:32.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok that looks good |
| 14:32.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: are you running as a user or root? |
| 14:32.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: need to be root? |
| 14:32.38 | GPSFan | rats that was it. |
| 14:33.00 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks again |
| 14:33.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: unless you've modified the usbfs stuff to generate the usb device entries with the proper permissions |
| 14:33.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: np, iirc there is a note on the wiki about how to make the changes to run as a user |
| 14:33.53 | GPSFan | iirc there is one in my hammer notes too. ;P |
| 14:34.12 | prpplague | reads back g1powermac 's statements |
| 14:35.27 | prpplague | g1powermac: not sure i understand what you want to accomplish |
| 14:36.04 | g1powermac | prpplague, basically I got this issue here, I need to use some USB peripherals that won't be stationed near my computer |
| 14:36.26 | g1powermac | running long cables isn't the greatest option, wireless would be easier |
| 14:36.51 | g1powermac | WUSB is insanely expensive at this point, so I was thinking up ideas on how I could solve this problem |
| 14:37.14 | prpplague | g1powermac: what peripherals are they? |
| 14:37.19 | RobotGuy | I don't know anything about WUSB. What is the bandwidth? |
| 14:37.32 | g1powermac | a usb pre-amp and a usb video capture device |
| 14:37.47 | prpplague | g1powermac: usb pre-amp? |
| 14:37.58 | g1powermac | its basically an audio capture device |
| 14:37.59 | RobotGuy | I'm building my buildroot toolchain under Gentoo now. :) |
| 14:38.28 | prpplague | g1powermac: anyway, look at the LTSP pages, you can use a thin client to boot over the network and then use all the local peripherals |
| 14:38.59 | g1powermac | hmm, interesting |
| 14:39.04 | prpplague | g1powermac: almost all of the daemons for doing audio/video/imaging support network connectivity |
| 14:39.25 | RobotGuy | This is cool: There is a WUSB FM radio station in Sony Brook, NY. |
| 14:39.29 | g1powermac | well, the thing though is I want my mac's drivers to directly access this stuff |
| 14:39.42 | g1powermac | really all i want it to do is pass the raw usb stuff over wifi |
| 14:40.10 | g1powermac | trying to set these two devices up under linux is not going to be easy if even possible |
| 14:40.22 | prpplague | g1powermac: oh |
| 14:40.28 | prpplague | g1powermac: this is winblows? |
| 14:40.33 | g1powermac | no, mac os x |
| 14:40.37 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:40.49 | prpplague | forgets there are other OS's people use |
| 14:41.11 | g1powermac | heh, yup, especially for video production :-) |
| 14:41.26 | g1powermac | actually, the one device doesn't even have windows drivers |
| 14:41.36 | RobotGuy | MAC OS X isn't so bad though, but I don't have any experience with it. It's all UNIX under the hood. That can't be too bad. |
| 14:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | stop drinking the koolaid |
| 14:42.05 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, yup, thats why I like it, you can run free software on it, and still be able to run commercial software |
| 14:42.15 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Don't listen to the voices.. :) |
| 14:43.16 | g1powermac | prpplague, so yea, its a weird project idea |
| 14:47.06 | prpplague | g1powermac: ping |
| 14:47.13 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I think it's those "weird project ideas" that push the limits and cause real progress. |
| 14:47.33 | CosmicPenguin | see also, skunkworks |
| 14:50.16 | prpplague | interesting the Z2 box/contents makes no mention of GPL |
| 14:54.08 | g1powermac | prpplague. pong |
| 14:54.18 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, I agree |
| 14:57.14 | g1powermac | prpplague, hah I love it, saw your ad for the hammer in this month's circuit cellar :-) |
| 14:59.39 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'm gonna open the z2 box just to look at the device before i send it to you |
| 14:59.46 | prpplague | g1powermac: how did it look? |
| 14:59.59 | prpplague | g1powermac: (not really "my" ad) |
| 15:00.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, k |
| 15:00.17 | g1powermac | it looks good :-) |
| 15:01.09 | g1powermac | though if you ever want some really spiffy ads, lemme know, I do ad design too :-) |
| 15:01.37 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'll mention it to the boss, i really try to stay out of the business side of things |
| 15:01.44 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 15:02.09 | g1powermac | and if he wants commercials, thats my specialty |
| 15:02.16 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 15:02.42 | g1powermac | though there really is no decent channel to advertise anything really geeky anymore |
| 15:03.11 | RobotGuy | Might want to get a small add in SERVO and Nuts & Volts too. |
| 15:03.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll mention it to the boss, i really try to stay out of the business side of things |
| 15:03.51 | solar | THe product will sell itself |
| 15:04.08 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes, I know. People have to see it though. :) |
| 15:04.15 | g1powermac | would plug his podcast for advertising/sponsorship, but I'd like to make at least a single episode first |
| 15:04.41 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Build up a bit of a following first. :) |
| 15:04.48 | g1powermac | prpplague, I definitely wouldn't mind using the hammer for hacks on the show |
| 15:04.52 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, yea, exactly |
| 15:05.45 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: There is a way to get people on podcasts who are not local to you. I forget how it's done, but it works over the internet, maybe using Skype or something similar. |
| 15:06.05 | RobotGuy | solar: Good Morning. :) |
| 15:06.14 | RobotGuy | I've been up since about 6:30. |
| 15:07.04 | prpplague | is disappointed with the direction openocd is headed |
| 15:07.27 | RobotGuy | What's happening with openocd? I have not been following its development. |
| 15:07.32 | chouimat|work | tries to understand why he can't mount an ext3fs with bsdgroups |
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| 15:10.30 | RobotGuy | It looks like getting buildroot to work under Gentoo might not be the easiest thing. I need to find out what the dependencies are. |
| 15:10.49 | RobotGuy | I might just leave it under Kubuntu. |
| 15:12.44 | RobotGuy | I still have to get a copy of Windows XP Pro, so I can fix my XP partition. My 3D CAD software is Windows. |
| 15:13.12 | solar | buildroot under gentoo is dirt easy. |
| 15:13.24 | g1powermac_PB | well, hans really did kill his wife: http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/07/08/0150259.shtml |
| 15:14.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: bloat, same kind of thing that happened to U-Boot |
| 15:14.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: everyone and his grandma too is adding stuff |
| 15:14.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know Windows is bloated. However, I still need it for some stuff. I still spend most of my time in Linux. :) |
| 15:14.54 | solar | g1powermac_PB: 15 years aint that bad for murder. |
| 15:16.00 | RobotGuy | solar: I will figure it out. :) |
| 15:16.02 | g1powermac_PB | true, though that makes this even sicker: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/07/07/1824228.shtml |
| 15:17.14 | CosmicPenguin | thats a special case, though |
| 15:17.45 | RobotGuy | Special cases have a strange way of becoming precedents. |
| 15:17.55 | g1powermac_PB | ya |
| 15:17.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ?? |
| 15:18.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not sure i understand your reference to windows bloat |
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| 15:21.38 | prpplague | sjhill: greetings |
| 15:22.13 | RobotGuy | Well, Windows has bunches of stuff that aren't really needed. So do Windows applications. I always have to kill off 10 - 20 tasks to get decent performance. |
| 15:22.25 | RobotGuy | sjhill: Hi. |
| 15:22.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hmm, not sure how that relates to the bloat of openocd |
| 15:23.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Has there ben any other USB WiFi adapters tested with Hammer? |
| 15:23.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It was just a general reference. |
| 15:23.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i tested every one i had with it |
| 15:24.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if it works under linux, it works for the hammer |
| 15:24.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am having some difficulty getting my Edimax adapter working with Gentoo Embedded, so I am going to retest it with my buildroot configuration. |
| 15:25.58 | RobotGuy | I probably just need to tweak my config to get it working with Gentoo Emb. |
| 15:27.44 | adyer | if (adapter==edimax) run_away(); |
| 15:28.32 | RobotGuy | adyer: Why do you say that? |
| 15:29.07 | RobotGuy | is curious. |
| 15:29.29 | RobotGuy | I also have a Linksys USB WiFi adapter, but it doesn't seem to work with Hammer. |
| 15:29.30 | adyer | i had an ethernet card from them - a universal PCI card - supposed to go in any PCI socket, that would short 3.3V to 5V in a 3.3V PCI socket. Blew up my board |
| 15:29.41 | RobotGuy | ACK, not good. |
| 15:30.01 | RobotGuy | That could have been an isolated instance though. |
| 15:30.03 | sjhill | prpplague: howdy |
| 15:30.11 | sjhill | RobotGuy: greetings cyborg |
| 15:30.21 | RobotGuy | I'm using USB though. |
| 15:30.40 | RobotGuy | sjhill: I actually do have some metal in my body. :P |
| 15:30.43 | adyer | RobotGuy: no it's a design problem. They hooked the 5V power and the Vio power pins on PCI together in the copper. |
| 15:30.52 | RobotGuy | Yikes. |
| 15:31.04 | RobotGuy | I;ve had my Edimax USB WiFi working with hammer though. |
| 15:31.05 | sjhill | whoa |
| 15:31.08 | adyer | RobotGuy: pure incompetency |
| 15:31.13 | sjhill | adyer: that's nasty |
| 15:31.28 | RobotGuy | adyer: I would have to agree in your case. |
| 15:31.40 | RobotGuy | That never should have gotten to a customer. |
| 15:37.43 | g1powermac | wonders if there's any other solution out there that would do a wireless usb thingie |
| 15:38.07 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Why is it you need to transfer WUSB stuff? |
| 15:38.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: i think you are going to run into some problems with doing video/audio over that kind of stuff |
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| 15:38.46 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, because I need to access usb peripherals that are not near my computer |
| 15:39.03 | g1powermac | prpplague, the video stuff might be a stretch, I agree, but the audio should work |
| 15:40.13 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Can't you just do something like a regular USB to WiFi bridge app? |
| 15:40.32 | RobotGuy | A gateway type of thing? |
| 15:41.39 | g1powermac | wishes he could put his gumstix to use for this project, sadly it only has usb device on it |
| 15:41.56 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, you'd need some stuff in between |
| 15:42.11 | g1powermac | the usb ports on the bridges are usb device |
| 15:42.31 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Yes, of course. That's what a gateway/bridge does. :) |
| 15:47.09 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 15:47.15 | g1powermac | ponders about this. . . |
| 15:47.30 | g1powermac | what about those ethernet routers with usb ports in them? |
| 15:47.55 | g1powermac | if I could install openwrt on them, it may work |
| 15:48.08 | solar | nslu2 might be fitting for ya? |
| 15:48.37 | g1powermac | yea |
| 15:48.56 | g1powermac | bbiab |
| 16:00.20 | prpplague | solar: i wonder if there is a good way to use the lcd controller on the hammer to do the ntsc video similiar to the bitbanging on the avr stuff |
| 16:01.24 | prpplague | solar: i think if you formated the data properly in the fb it would work |
| 16:01.41 | prpplague | makes a note to experiment with that |
| 16:04.09 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 16:08.28 | prpplague | solar: from what i'm seeing it should be possible to tweak the data format |
| 16:08.45 | prpplague | solar: and use the lcd controller to bitbang ntsc/pal |
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| 16:09.42 | SpeedEvil | If the controller can do interlaced, it should be pretty much just a DAC. |
| 16:09.50 | SpeedEvil | Though colour is annoying. |
| 16:09.57 | adyer | solar: you want nice video or quick n' dirty? |
| 16:10.00 | SpeedEvil | And may require more accuracy in the clock than is there. |
| 16:10.37 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i don't think the s3c24xx lcd controller supports interlaced video |
| 16:10.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i'd have to look |
| 16:10.50 | prpplague | adyer: yea, we were just discussing some ideas |
| 16:10.53 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: don't for me. Idle wondering only. |
| 16:11.31 | prpplague | is really disgusted with the latest versions of openocd |
| 16:11.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What is wrong with the latest versions of openocd? |
| 16:12.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: bloat, same kind of thing that happened to U-Boot |
| 16:12.21 | adyer | prpplague: yeah i've been watching the svn logs. this whole commit early - commit often thing is a mess |
| 16:12.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Features that are not needed? |
| 16:13.00 | prpplague | i'm sure they are needed by someone |
| 16:15.56 | prpplague | is it just me, or has the performance archive.org dropped recently? |
| 16:16.53 | prpplague | solar: i think i might be able to get some black-n-white stuff working pretty easy |
| 16:17.32 | SpeedEvil | Depedns how much you're willing to cheat. |
| 16:17.56 | SpeedEvil | For example, you can dedicate a bit in the framebuffer to sync. |
| 16:18.21 | SpeedEvil | (something I did back in z80 days) |
| 16:19.27 | SpeedEvil | Display RAM was half a 64K RAM, split into 2 bit chunks, black white, gray and sync, read in between Z80 memory accesses. |
| 16:20.25 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea, the s3c24xx supports dual panel config, so that might work for doing the interlacing |
| 16:20.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: just rolling ideas around at the momment |
| 16:21.38 | prpplague | the website with the really good info for doing bit bang stuff seems to be down |
| 16:22.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It loaded right up for me. |
| 16:22.44 | RobotGuy | archive,org |
| 16:23.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: now do a page search for http://www.rickard.gunee.com/projects/ |
| 16:23.30 | RobotGuy | is it www.archive.org you are talking about? |
| 16:24.16 | RobotGuy | That page won't load. |
| 16:24.30 | RobotGuy | But http://www.archive.org loads fine. |
| 16:24.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you ever used archive.org? |
| 16:25.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No |
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| 16:33.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: could you take a look at this and see what you think, I'm trying to get the flyswatter running again and either connected to the hammer or not I get this: http://pastebin.ca/1065668 |
| 16:34.01 | prpplague | looks |
| 16:34.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: should be doing: ./openocd -f hammer.cfg |
| 16:34.27 | prpplague | not ocd |
| 16:34.46 | GPSFan | ah whata dummy... |
| 16:34.51 | prpplague | ~lart GPSFan |
| 16:34.51 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up GPSFan |
| 16:38.39 | g1powermac_PB | needs to test out his flyswatter |
| 16:38.42 | adyer | prpplague: you can do the interlacing using the virtual display feature and a vertical blank interrupt, I don't think dual panel will do what you want |
| 16:39.12 | prpplague | adyer: ahh interesting |
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| 16:45.38 | g1powermac_PB | you know, the nslu2 is quite interesting |
| 16:46.02 | g1powermac_PB | unfortunately it doesn't have a wireless interface built in |
| 16:46.11 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I have looked at that a few times, but never actually got one. |
| 16:46.47 | RobotGuy | It does not fit what I need to do though, at least not right now. |
| 16:47.02 | prpplague | solar: http://www.hittconsulting.com/products/sxvideomodule/ |
| 16:47.18 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: yea |
| 16:47.32 | RobotGuy | curses his power chair. |
| 16:47.47 | g1powermac_PB | anyone know of a wireless thing like the nslu2? |
| 16:48.04 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Have you looked at wireless routers? |
| 16:48.15 | RobotGuy | I mean real routers, not gateways. |
| 16:48.36 | g1powermac_PB | have been, but if I can get rid of the router part, it maybe cheaper to buy |
| 16:48.52 | g1powermac_PB | really, I think a wireless nas might be a solution. . . |
| 16:49.04 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: True, but you may not be able to do that, at least for prototyping. |
| 16:49.41 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, interesting. Something that has USB Host to allow connecting hard drives to. Might be hackable to do other stuff too. :D |
| 16:49.58 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 16:51.41 | g1powermac_PB | now here's an interesting device: http://cgi.ebay.com/D-Link-DSM-G600-Wi-Fi-AP-NAS-Storage-250GB-Hard-Drive_W0QQitemZ190235279885QQihZ009QQcategoryZ106273QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:54.06 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hmmmmmm, interesting. |
| 16:54.29 | RobotGuy | I need a good wifi router (not gateway, router can do both). |
| 16:54.44 | RobotGuy | Maybe one of those Buffalo units. |
| 16:55.04 | RobotGuy | Has to be able to work with my static IPs. |
| 16:55.04 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I like my openwrt running buffalos |
| 16:55.31 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Which one is it you have? |
| 16:55.42 | g1powermac_PB | they're older, no longer made |
| 16:55.50 | RobotGuy | Dang, it figured. |
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| 17:02.38 | solar | prpplague: heh. Looks like a winner if the end goal is to make a pre Atari-2600. Almost enough to play pong :) |
| 17:05.03 | CosmicPenguin | In my experience, running stress tests on hardware is 10 times more likely to discover flaws in software |
| 17:05.12 | CosmicPenguin | And that is bearing itself out today |
| 17:05.19 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart everybody but me |
| 17:05.19 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on everybody but me |
| 17:05.52 | chouimat|work | ask purl to deliver the vax to his home |
| 17:05.54 | g1powermac_PB | CosmicPenguin: sadly you only spared purl ;-) |
| 17:06.15 | CosmicPenguin | purl is the only innocent one out there |
| 17:06.38 | g1powermac_PB | no software written by man is innocent ;-) |
| 17:06.42 | RobotGuy | The problem with units that claim to be "routers" is most are really only gateways and NAT can not be disabled in them. Seems the real routers are in the $150+ range. |
| 17:07.10 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: if you can get openwrt on them, you can do whatever you want to it |
| 17:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | [Thu Jul 3 04:07:23 2008] ERR: can't accept client: Too many open files |
| 17:07.48 | CosmicPenguin | From acpid |
| 17:07.51 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I know, but that is also a problem. Most of the under $200.00 units don't have enough flash and/or RAM to run full OpenWRT. |
| 17:07.58 | CosmicPenguin | apparently, repeatedly suspending and resuming is bad |
| 17:08.10 | g1powermac_PB | heh, the buffalo routers I got were like $50 a piece |
| 17:08.14 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Do all things in moderation.. :) |
| 17:08.24 | CosmicPenguin | funny how my boss doesn't see it that way |
| 17:08.25 | g1powermac_PB | believe me, you can find one :-) |
| 17:09.13 | RobotGuy | I can run two builds much better now that I have 2GB RAM. :D |
| 17:09.35 | RobotGuy | It's not DDR400 though. |
| 17:09.41 | adyer | RobotGuy: the 'linux' version of the wrt-54 (gl i think) is like $70 at newegg |
| 17:10.07 | RobotGuy | adyer: I have been looking at the WRT54GL, but it isn't sold locally as far as I can tell. |
| 17:11.11 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, the other 'nslu2' devices are quite interesting |
| 17:11.15 | adyer | RobotGuy: do you need it today? (btw it's 59.99 with a $10 rebate) |
| 17:11.32 | RobotGuy | adyer: I can't get it until next month at the earliest. |
| 17:13.43 | RobotGuy | Sheesh, those African women are very active on dating sites - they are scammers. |
| 17:15.28 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: not just there ... |
| 17:18.36 | g1powermac_PB | ya see, this is what I need: http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?SKU=ANYWHEREUSB/5 |
| 17:18.46 | g1powermac_PB | just need to add the wireless and make it $100 cheaper ;-) |
| 17:20.12 | g1powermac_PB | ehh, this box needs more stuff for me to even consider it |
| 17:22.57 | prpplague | solar: i'm still thinking the chrontel part will probably be the best route |
| 17:23.07 | prpplague | solar: do stn with 8bpp |
| 17:27.25 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, do you know of a cheapish arm board with both usb2 and wifi? |
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| 17:32.24 | solar | prpplague: probably. I'll think I'll just stick with trying to capture alone for now. |
| 17:32.41 | solar | if ffmpeg would ever cross compile cleanly for me. |
| 17:42.49 | g1powermac_PB | alright, which one of you tipped off the gov't to one of our world domination devices: http://idle.slashdot.org/idle/08/07/08/1513259.shtml ;-) |
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| 17:50.19 | RobotGuy | nails prpplague's shoes to the floor to keep him on the channel. :D |
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| 18:08.07 | methril|laptop | yo yo |
| 18:08.37 | g1powermac_PB | no, yao ;-) |
| 18:09.31 | RobotGuy | It's a real yo yo! :D |
| 18:09.59 | methril|laptop | :) |
| 18:11.37 | mnemoc | y0h |
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| 18:41.50 | ds2 | "morning" |
| 18:42.38 | g1powermac_PB | "afternoon" :-) |
| 18:44.06 | g1powermac_PB | hrmm, my wrists are killing me, too much typing today |
| 18:44.19 | ds2 | you need voice dictation |
| 18:44.58 | g1powermac_PB | if only that stuff worked halfway decently in noisy environments |
| 18:47.58 | adyer | whenever people talk about voice dictation and programming I always think of the old Victor Borge routine where he invented sounds for punctuations, then read a story with them. |
| 18:48.37 | adyer | then perl would literally sound like line noise |
| 18:52.10 | prpplague | solar: i think the real problem with bitbanging composite video is going to be the interleaved frames |
| 18:52.23 | CosmicPenguin | wonderss who he should spam about this acpid bug he found |
| 18:52.34 | ds2 | linux-acpi? |
| 18:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | not sure if they care |
| 18:53.59 | solar | prpplague: hey buddy. Don't stress your brain anymore on the topic. I was more wondering if it would of been an easy hack. Like connect a few of this to that (using existing parts0 |
| 18:54.22 | prpplague | solar: yea, i'd been researching it on and off for a awhile |
| 18:54.28 | solar | some things the nail simply aint cut out for. I'm ok with that. |
| 18:54.48 | prpplague | solar: well i'd like to see it done with the hammer, so its something i've looked at |
| 18:54.55 | RobotGuy | solar: Do you have a hammer carrier board? |
| 18:55.00 | prpplague | solar: i have a bunch of samples of the chrontel parts |
| 18:55.09 | solar | RobotGuy: only the one known as the Nail |
| 18:55.23 | ds2 | prpplague: why not do it like the PIC pong games? |
| 18:55.43 | prpplague | ds2: thats what we are talking about |
| 18:55.51 | RobotGuy | solar: There is a different one called the Hammer Carrier Board that has prototyping area and a bunch of support stuff (like SD card slot) the Nail doesn't have. |
| 18:55.54 | ds2 | prpplague: then why the chrontel part? |
| 18:55.58 | ds2 | (that's what threw me off) |
| 18:56.18 | prpplague | ds2: the chrontel makes the who process easier |
| 18:56.19 | RobotGuy | Hopefully there will be Hammer-RDP soon also. :) |
| 18:56.27 | prpplague | ds2: since it just takes the standard lcd format |
| 18:56.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: solar doesn't have that kit |
| 18:57.04 | ds2 | prpplague: so that's 2 different approaches? |
| 18:57.16 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 18:57.16 | solar | RobotGuy: heh. landley already suckered me into taking a nail. You can't sucker me into last gen stuff |
| 18:57.37 | RobotGuy | solar: It's not last gen stuff, just different. |
| 18:57.45 | ds2 | prpplague: btw, I got that hammer stuff fired up over the 4th |
| 18:57.54 | prpplague | ahh good deal |
| 18:58.03 | ds2 | wish it took a NULL modem for the console but other than that it works great |
| 18:58.19 | solar | RobotGuy: http://www.elinux.org/Anvil (More what I'm after long run) |
| 18:58.33 | RobotGuy | It still bugs me that last hammer failed - the one I got with my nail board. |
| 18:59.13 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I know about anvil. :) I'm interested too. |
| 18:59.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we've only had two reported hammer failures |
| 18:59.35 | RobotGuy | Both mine. :( |
| 18:59.37 | solar | Does not seem fitting for what you devel for RobotGuy |
| 19:00.10 | solar | vs a more of a personal multi-media type of device. |
| 19:00.11 | RobotGuy | That's why I am afraid to do any serious tinkering with my current Hammer. |
| 19:00.44 | RobotGuy | Hammer-RDP is the carrier board I need for the hammer. |
| 19:00.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what good is it then? |
| 19:01.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If I bork this hammer, I have none. |
| 19:01.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i said, what good is it if you are afraid to use it |
| 19:01.56 | solar | indeed |
| 19:02.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't want to take this one off my nail board because it works and it's excellent for software development. |
| 19:02.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so you are tinkering with it, just not hardware wise |
| 19:03.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: At present, yes. |
| 19:03.56 | RobotGuy | I have been avoiding hardware tinkering with hammer lately. |
| 19:04.14 | RobotGuy | Even though I have a lot of things I want to experiment with. |
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| 19:06.36 | ds2 | doh |
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| 19:15.58 | RobotGuy | sings "99 more packages to build, 99 more." |
| 19:24.22 | g1powermac_PB | looks around and does a quick 'ctrl+c' on RobotGuy's computer and runs for it ;-) |
| 19:24.54 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: You weren't in the right window. :P |
| 19:25.42 | g1powermac_PB | dang it, my evil plan thwarted by not being in the right window ;-) |
| 19:26.45 | RobotGuy | kicks his durn power chair |
| 19:27.43 | RobotGuy | I thought all macs were good too. |
| 19:28.09 | g1powermac_PB | good, yes, evil, most certainly ;-) |
| 19:29.02 | RobotGuy | Sometimes, I just want to roll this chair off the nearest very high point with a sharp drop off. |
| 19:30.49 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: you need to make your own suped up robotic chair :-) |
| 19:31.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping.. fyi the flyswatter works well on IXP425 using openocd. I was able to unbrick an NSLU2 that had the protect bits in the flash corrupted. The redboot bootloader for the NSLU2 doesn't have an unprotect command (even though redboot does) so the bootloader erase command was always failing. |
| 19:31.43 | g1powermac_PB | oh, GPSFan has an nslu2. . . |
| 19:31.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: lovely |
| 19:31.55 | GPSFan | has 3 |
| 19:32.00 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I saw a motor controller at the last PARTS meeting that would easily handle the motors in my chair, and for just $60.00. |
| 19:32.04 | solar | just one |
| 19:32.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: might make a note on the flyswatter wiki page |
| 19:32.22 | ds2 | for ~$30, who wouldn't have a NSLU2 ;) |
| 19:32.23 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: have you seen my idea about the usb over wifi thing? |
| 19:32.38 | solar | they that cheap these days? |
| 19:32.43 | GPSFan | prpplague: ok, I have a .cfg that's good for the ipx425 nslu2 configuration |
| 19:32.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: That motor controller has I2C, amongst other methods of control. |
| 19:32.53 | g1powermac_PB | solar: they're getting there on ebay |
| 19:32.56 | GPSFan | g1powermac: no |
| 19:32.58 | ds2 | geeks.com had a pallet of them a few months ago for that price |
| 19:33.02 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, Hammer powered power chair.. |
| 19:33.06 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: cool |
| 19:33.20 | solar | anybody actually have a solid recent kernel.config for one? |
| 19:33.26 | ds2 | GPSFan: what firmware are you running on your slug? |
| 19:33.48 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I want to be able to access usb peripherals from my mac using wifi as the peripheral are nowhere near my computer |
| 19:34.01 | ds2 | the stock one with just CIFS is just not cutting it; need to add NFS support w/o doing a lot of work |
| 19:34.13 | solar | RobotGuy: touch screen controls tied into google maps? |
| 19:34.17 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: and the nslu2 so far is the only halfway decent solution with a wifi bridge attached to it |
| 19:34.26 | g1powermac_PB | from what I can find |
| 19:34.26 | RobotGuy | solar: Speaking of openocd configs, are we shorting ourselves on flash by using 0x240000 for the JFFS2 start point? |
| 19:34.40 | GPSFan | ds2: openwrt |
| 19:34.47 | solar | RobotGuy: yes. That is done so the kernel can grow |
| 19:35.06 | ds2 | GPSFan: doesn't that lack most of the NAS functions? |
| 19:35.16 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: what do you think? |
| 19:35.27 | solar | yours get smaller cuz of modules. Mine get bigger cuz of being monolithic |
| 19:35.35 | RobotGuy | solar: Tie hammer into a GPS unit and I don't see why it couldn't use google maps or AGPS. |
| 19:35.51 | RobotGuy | OF course it needs good wifi also. |
| 19:36.02 | GPSFan | ds2: it's a special configuration that has a logitech Orbit AF attached to it. works well as a camera server |
| 19:36.10 | solar | RobotGuy: so build a chair that takes you from A->B (skip the bus)? |
| 19:36.38 | RobotGuy | solar: It would be an interesting project, especially with good obstacle avoidance. :) |
| 19:36.53 | RobotGuy | Even my new phone has AGPS. |
| 19:36.54 | solar | just a big romba with gps |
| 19:37.10 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: yea, obstacle avoidance can be, umm, interesting to test ;-) |
| 19:37.16 | RobotGuy | That's about all a power wheel chair really is - a big roomba with a seat attached. |
| 19:37.18 | GPSFan | ds2: it has no external storage. |
| 19:37.45 | RobotGuy | It would have to have curb detection also, to keep it on sidewalks. That part would be prettty easy to do. |
| 19:38.10 | RobotGuy | Well, the hardware for that would be pretty easy. |
| 19:38.37 | g1powermac_PB | its the software that'll be the hard part |
| 19:38.48 | solar | screw the sidewalk. Make it street legal :) |
| 19:38.51 | GPSFan | g1powermac: you may have to do the port 2 power mod so that it will power the wifi usb stick |
| 19:39.12 | solar | make the news. guy gets pulled over for speeding in a chair |
| 19:39.20 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: k, but what do you think of the feasibility? |
| 19:39.46 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: If you mean power for the chair and such, that's not hard at all, feed right off the main batteries or add a separate battery (my preference) for electronics. |
| 19:40.10 | RobotGuy | solar: Hey, my current chair can do almost 10 MPH. |
| 19:40.19 | g1powermac_PB | solar: hahah |
| 19:40.40 | GPSFan | g1powermac: hard to say, I guess it depends on what level you want to access the USB peripherials. USB over wifi implies lots of protocol issues, much like scsi or ide over ethernet. |
| 19:40.44 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: yea, powering it should be easy |
| 19:41.14 | RobotGuy | It's the stupid controller that keeps acting up on me. |
| 19:41.15 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I basically just want to pass the raw usb over the wifi |
| 19:41.39 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: so I can use the drivers directly on my mac |
| 19:41.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac: if you succeed you may want to apply for an IEEE standard |
| 19:41.58 | GPSFan | I don't think that has been done |
| 19:42.38 | ds2 | isn't that basically a VHCD connected with say a TCP tunnel? |
| 19:43.00 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* it always seems I come up with things never done before when I really don't have the time to devote to doing a major project |
| 19:48.15 | prpplague | technically what you are talking about is a double usb packet sniffer |
| 19:48.25 | prpplague | you could do with two nail boards |
| 19:48.31 | prpplague | but that would be pretty expensive |
| 19:48.42 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, and not provides usb2.0 |
| 19:50.10 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea, but you could test the concept |
| 19:50.23 | g1powermac_PB | true |
| 19:50.25 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: techincally you could test it on a linux pc without too much trouble |
| 19:50.46 | g1powermac_PB | thats what I was thinking originally |
| 19:51.38 | g1powermac_PB | wonders how complicated writing a driver for this would be |
| 19:52.45 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: there is already a dummy gadget driver |
| 19:52.54 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: would be pretty easy to tweak that |
| 19:53.59 | ds2 | use the VHCD stuff that is already in tehre |
| 19:54.39 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, problem is prolly going to be the mac side |
| 19:54.51 | g1powermac_PB | has no clue on how to do usb mac drivers |
| 19:55.11 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the dummy gadget will prentend to be the device |
| 19:55.25 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: so as far as the mac is concerned it is the real device |
| 19:55.57 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, that assumes there's a box attached to the mac too |
| 19:56.07 | prpplague | ?? |
| 19:56.14 | RobotGuy | buys g1powermac_PB a clue. :) |
| 19:56.29 | g1powermac_PB | was thinking only attaching boxes to the devices and then having the mac directly connect to them over ethernet |
| 19:56.50 | prpplague | boxes? |
| 19:57.18 | g1powermac_PB | err, whatever I use to make this system |
| 19:57.38 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: picture it this way |
| 19:57.44 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Did you -really- think it would be that easy? ;) |
| 19:57.50 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: your usb camer plugs into a nail board |
| 19:58.02 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the nail board pretends to be a host pc |
| 19:58.21 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: another nail board plugs into the host pc |
| 19:58.29 | prpplague | g1powermac: and it pretends to be the usb device |
| 19:58.40 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the two nail boards talk to each other |
| 19:58.47 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: exchanging data |
| 19:58.55 | RobotGuy | thinks Nail can't decide if it wants to be master or slave. :) |
| 19:59.15 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, yea, thats the thing, I only wanted to use one :-) |
| 19:59.27 | g1powermac_PB | and have the mac talk with the one nail |
| 19:59.39 | g1powermac_PB | which requires some kind of driver written on the mac to do it |
| 19:59.46 | prpplague | g1powermac: how do you figure only to use one? |
| 20:00.05 | g1powermac_PB | it would cut the cost by half |
| 20:00.26 | prpplague | but increse the complexity by 100 |
| 20:00.36 | g1powermac_PB | that's the only problem |
| 20:01.14 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: still not sure why you'd not use two devices |
| 20:01.47 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, cost mainly |
| 20:02.09 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: once you have it working, then you can just build the pieces you need |
| 20:02.25 | prpplague | don't even have to use a hammer, could use something even smaller |
| 20:02.31 | prpplague | like a part of juiceboxes |
| 20:02.35 | prpplague | or a part zipits |
| 20:02.39 | prpplague | pair |
| 20:03.02 | g1powermac_PB | well, zipits will be an issue, no usb host on them |
| 20:03.27 | prpplague | you sure about that? |
| 20:03.41 | g1powermac_PB | well, unless you found it :-) |
| 20:05.36 | prpplague | checks the datasheet |
| 20:07.43 | adyer | http://www.usb.org/developers/wusb/ |
| 20:09.40 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, the chip has usb host, but ya never looked to see if it was brought out |
| 20:09.54 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea, i'll have to look |
| 20:10.19 | g1powermac_PB | zipits would be pretty interesting to use |
| 20:10.22 | g1powermac_PB | since I got one already |
| 20:13.10 | g1powermac_PB | adyer: wusb stuff is insanely expensive atm |
| 20:15.32 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague, now what would be interesting is to implement some form of 'sharing' for the usb devices |
| 20:16.00 | ds2 | wasn't there an effort to do USB over BT? |
| 20:17.21 | g1powermac_PB | bt is too slow |
| 20:17.39 | ds2 | I was think about just stripping code from there |
| 20:21.45 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, I think my Edimax WiFi adapter may have gone south. |
| 20:21.55 | RobotGuy | Just like the Edimax router I had. |
| 20:22.13 | solar | tested in a few diff comps? |
| 20:23.27 | RobotGuy | Nope, it's OK, works in regular Linux. |
| 20:23.36 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the host lines appear to be brought out |
| 20:23.38 | RobotGuy | I only have one main PC. |
| 20:25.08 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: nope take that back |
| 20:25.13 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: no via's there |
| 20:25.49 | g1powermac_PB | dang |
| 20:26.06 | g1powermac_PB | so definitely not brought out? |
| 20:26.19 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: not 100% sure, but it doesn't look so |
| 20:26.28 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, oh well |
| 20:26.36 | prpplague | i have to wonder though if the OTG is brought out |
| 20:26.49 | g1powermac_PB | I'll let ya keep looking |
| 20:27.15 | prpplague | can't at the momment |
| 20:28.16 | RobotGuy | The WiFi configs don't appear to really take effect until it is associated with an AP. |
| 20:28.35 | solar | RobotGuy: try zgrep ^CONFIG_'.*\(USB\|80211\)' /proc/config.gz ; on the host it's working on. |
| 20:29.14 | RobotGuy | solar: There is no /proc/config.gz |
| 20:29.26 | RobotGuy | This is Kubuntu. |
| 20:30.29 | solar | fail |
| 20:30.58 | solar | tip to all other distros. Always enable /proc/config.gz for you users |
| 20:33.52 | RobotGuy | My other USB WiFi adapter isn't even recognized. |
| 20:37.13 | solar | what does cat /proc/bus/usb/devices show? |
| 20:37.22 | solar | do you see the words. "Driver=(none)" anywhere? |
| 20:43.20 | RobotGuy | solar: The LinkSys USB WiFi shows driver=none. I think it is a Broadcom chipset. |
| 20:45.48 | RobotGuy | I'm reflashing with my Gentoo Embedded config |
| 20:45.54 | solar | knowing bcm you probably need some binary blob |
| 20:46.25 | agaffney | I'm still using bcm43xx on my laptop's bcm4306 |
| 20:46.35 | solar | not that uncommon for nearly everything wireless to require firmware of some sort |
| 20:46.51 | agaffney | stupid manufacturers cheaping out |
| 20:47.24 | agaffney | wireless? no, not uncommon |
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| 20:47.32 | agaffney | but have you ever heard of a usb printer requiring firmware? |
| 20:47.41 | agaffney | we have one of those here at work |
| 20:47.45 | agaffney | hp laserjet 1020 |
| 20:48.06 | agaffney | I was going to use it on a off-the-shelf cheapo print server, but noooooo |
| 20:48.17 | RobotGuy | solar: Durn, that would suck. Means it is not likely to work with Linux at all then. |
| 20:48.19 | solar | never. I think somebody just likes the idea of having to upload firmware at runtime |
| 20:48.39 | solar | RobotGuy: did you test it in a box that has linux working at all? |
| 20:48.56 | agaffney | RobotGuy: uploading firmware isn't a big deal in linux |
| 20:49.02 | RobotGuy | solar: That's on my list for Gentoo. |
| 20:49.05 | agaffney | mostly :P |
| 20:49.51 | solar | tell ya I got auto mounting/unmounting working with mdev. I'm quite pleased with that |
| 20:50.25 | solar | dbus,halish. But w/o all the glib:2 deps :) |
| 20:50.42 | agaffney | I was just happy to get firmware uploading working with mdev |
| 20:51.30 | solar | via mdev.conf ? If so can I see your rules for that? |
| 20:53.10 | agaffney | nope, no mdev.conf |
| 20:53.22 | agaffney | just set mdev as the hotplug helper in the initramfs |
| 20:53.45 | agaffney | and then mdev gets invoked with the proper foo when a module wants to load some firmware |
| 20:53.49 | agaffney | and it all "just works" |
| 20:54.04 | agaffney | I added that to genkernel for qla2xxx on sparc |
| 20:54.15 | agaffney | it was a pita since I didn't have the hardware to test myself |
| 20:55.27 | solar | oh yeah |
| 20:55.47 | chouimat|work | hi solar agaffney |
| 20:55.53 | solar | afternoon |
| 20:56.01 | agaffney | 'afternoon chouimat|work |
| 20:56.36 | chouimat|work | will try to install (aka build) gentoo on his eeepc tonight |
| 20:57.30 | solar | on the eeepc directly or using a buildhost and then transfering the binpkgs over that ya need? |
| 20:57.39 | chouimat|work | buildhost :) |
| 20:57.49 | solar | smart man |
| 20:58.21 | chouimat|work | solar: I will use my macpro ... 8 cores should compile in a reasonable amount of time |
| 20:58.49 | agaffney | heh |
| 20:58.50 | agaffney | indeed |
| 20:59.01 | agaffney | chroot build, ftw |
| 20:59.32 | solar | I need a script that mass fires off tasks to chroots. |
| 20:59.51 | solar | across lots of build hosts |
| 20:59.52 | chouimat|work | solar: the installed xandros distro doesn't have a console and a terminal and I was unable to find a way to get the wireless mac address so I can't use it here at work :( |
| 21:00.02 | adyer | lol, I had a fast machine to compile last time I tried gentoo, but it doesn't help when the build crashes all over the place :-( haven't tried in a year or two, maybe it's better now |
| 21:00.36 | solar | chouimat|away: I think one of my co-wokers is running gentoo on his directly |
| 21:00.37 | agaffney | chouimat|work: sure it does....Ctrl-Alt-T |
| 21:00.50 | chouimat|work | and I also need to crosscompile it for my ps3 |
| 21:00.58 | agaffney | and then you can sudo to root |
| 21:01.01 | chouimat|work | agaffney: didn't know that one |
| 21:01.16 | agaffney | chouimat|work: my boss has an eeepc, and I've spent a couple of hours playing with it :P |
| 21:01.38 | agaffney | chouimat|work: first search result on google for "eeepc linux terminal" tells me that :) |
| 21:01.42 | chouimat|work | agaffney: and since I worked for xandros and they kind of pissed my off :) |
| 21:01.47 | agaffney | heh |
| 21:01.55 | agaffney | not trying to keep you from gentoo |
| 21:02.06 | agaffney | just letting you know :) |
| 21:02.21 | solar | adyer: handy for me to have my desktop and cross devel to be all same distro/env |
| 21:03.31 | agaffney | adyer: if the build crashes all over the place, it's not gentoo's fault |
| 21:03.49 | solar | "it's spankys" |
| 21:04.00 | agaffney | because he touches himself at night |
| 21:04.07 | adyer | solar I wasn't cross compiling just native recompile from one of the predone images. very disappointing |
| 21:04.16 | solar | I think it's a bit more of a faimly chan here |
| 21:04.39 | chouimat|work | agaffney: and I want to use my 2G of ram ;) |
| 21:04.53 | solar | adyer: bummer. By all means use what works best for ya |
| 21:04.57 | adyer | agaffney: it wasn't a hardware crash, it was library problems, includes, dependencies, all gentoos fault as far as I could see |
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| 21:26.06 | RobotGuy | solar: No Linux driver for my Linksys WiFi adapter (WUSB54GSC). |
| 21:26.50 | ds2 | what chipset? |
| 21:26.57 | ds2 | the WUSB54GC is a rt73 |
| 21:26.58 | RobotGuy | It's Broadcom |
| 21:27.05 | ds2 | sigh... doing a DLin |
| 21:27.08 | ds2 | DLInk |
| 21:27.11 | RobotGuy | ds2: No it isn't |
| 21:27.27 | RobotGuy | rt73 is Ralinj |
| 21:27.31 | RobotGuy | Ralink |
| 21:27.33 | ds2 | no no |
| 21:28.08 | ds2 | Dlink likes making network adapters with completely different chipsets but are sold under very similar part numbers...i.e a DWL-650 vs DWL-650 rev 3 would have very different chipsets |
| 21:28.18 | RobotGuy | rt73 and rt73usb are Ralink |
| 21:28.35 | ds2 | looks like Linksys is following in the same path with WUSB54GC vs WUSB54GSC |
| 21:28.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats the vendor/product id? |
| 21:29.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Vendor=13b1 ProdID=0026 Rev= 0.06 |
| 21:29.55 | RobotGuy | rt73usb is the same driver my Edimax WiFi uses (Ralink chipset). |
| 21:30.26 | ds2 | http://support.dlink.com/products/DWL650.asp <--- all "DWL650's" but each has a different chipset |
| 21:32.02 | RobotGuy | IF the WUSB54GSC used the Ralink driver, it would show it being used by one of the Ralink modules. |
| 21:32.17 | ds2 | RobotGuy: you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying |
| 21:32.48 | RobotGuy | I am saying, the WUSB54GSC I have is not a Ralink chips set device. |
| 21:33.04 | *** part/#edev adyer (n=adyer@adsl-69-223-13-78.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 21:33.08 | ds2 | yes, not arguing with you at all. Just saying Linksys is adopting DLink marketing tactics |
| 21:33.44 | RobotGuy | I hate when companies confuse already murky waters even more. |
| 21:34.02 | ds2 | *nod* that statement was NOT a compliment for Linksys |
| 21:34.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea looks to be broadcom, you can use it under linux, but only with the ndis wrappers |
| 21:34.39 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 21:35.22 | SpeedEvil | In some ways I wish ndiswrapper diddn't exist. |
| 21:35.29 | RobotGuy | I bought this WUSB54GSC thinking it was a Ralink chipset device. |
| 21:35.43 | ds2 | return it and see if they have a WUSB54GC? |
| 21:36.12 | RobotGuy | How do I know the GC would work? |
| 21:36.24 | ds2 | I have 3 of them within 5 feet of me and they are all RT73's |
| 21:36.28 | ds2 | =) |
| 21:36.33 | RobotGuy | Stores don't usually have a clue about chipsets. |
| 21:36.41 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 21:36.41 | CosmicPenguin | by design |
| 21:37.03 | RobotGuy | I've had this GSC too long to take it back. |
| 21:37.06 | ds2 | or by known older models from the surplus market |
| 21:38.10 | RobotGuy | I'll just have to wait until I can get another WiFi router (one I can disable NAT on) before I can do more testing. |
| 21:38.16 | SpeedEvil | Transparent cases can be good. |
| 21:38.25 | SpeedEvil | In some cases you can see the chipnumber. |
| 21:38.44 | ds2 | unless you get the really cheap imports where the numbers are sanded off ;) |
| 21:42.18 | prpplague | hmm |
| 21:42.31 | prpplague | wonders when 2.6.26 will be released |
| 21:42.37 | CosmicPenguin | any day now |
| 21:42.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what i was thinking |
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| 21:59.52 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 22:02.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 22:02.56 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 22:03.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a couple minutes to bounce some framebuffer ideas off of you? |
| 22:03.25 | CosmicPenguin | okay |
| 22:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | shoot |
| 22:03.30 | prpplague | (and maybe a few bricks too?) |
| 22:04.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can use the lcd controller to do composite video, however the data in the frame buffer will need to be formated properly |
| 22:04.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can add the fbconsole portion pretty easily |
| 22:04.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and i can create some basic fb libs to use for direct access |
| 22:04.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: does that sound pretty hackish? |
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| 22:05.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know i won't be able to use alot of apps that use fb without adding the support needed |
| 22:06.14 | CosmicPenguin | the LCD is planar? |
| 22:08.10 | prpplague | normally its chunk style, however i would need to do some planar operations on the data to have it do what i need |
| 22:09.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically at the beginning and end of the image data, i'd need to have some special image data that marked the beginning and end of frames |
| 22:10.05 | CosmicPenguin | what image data? |
| 22:10.18 | CosmicPenguin | when you send it to the framebuffer, you mean? |
| 22:10.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: correct |
| 22:10.37 | CosmicPenguin | how often do you update the framebuffer? |
| 22:10.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorry - wrong terminology |
| 22:10.56 | CosmicPenguin | how often do you send the framebuffer to the device |
| 22:11.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well the lcd controller is configurable, and it will simply do a read via dma |
| 22:11.58 | CosmicPenguin | so the frame markers need to be in place before the dma operation? |
| 22:12.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: correct |
| 22:12.37 | CosmicPenguin | ouch |
| 22:12.42 | g1powermac | woot, I just got an awesome deal |
| 22:12.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just as a example, lets say the fb is configured for 400 lines |
| 22:13.08 | g1powermac | got this scanner from the local thriftstore for $6.50 and it works nicely: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=119&modelid=6623#ModelDetailAct |
| 22:13.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the first 20 lines are the market for the begging , and the last 20 lines are the marker for end |
| 22:13.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so there is only 360 of real image data, but the 40 lines of data need to be populated |
| 22:14.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the dma read won't happen while data is being written |
| 22:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | how often is the DMA read? |
| 22:15.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm really more interested in how the formated data from user space will happen |
| 22:15.13 | CosmicPenguin | no doubt, so am I |
| 22:15.16 | g1powermac | also got an old webtv box complete with still in box webtv IR keyboard |
| 22:15.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the dma read is configurable |
| 22:15.30 | CosmicPenguin | the problem is tha the mmap has to be aligned |
| 22:15.32 | g1powermac | now that sucker has some hacking potential |
| 22:15.38 | g1powermac | all for $9.50 |
| 22:16.10 | CosmicPenguin | The super silly way to do it would be to shadow /dev/fb0 and copy it before the dma |
| 22:16.15 | CosmicPenguin | depending on how fast the DMA is, I guess |
| 22:16.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, that portion works |
| 22:17.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can make the "functionality" |
| 22:17.07 | CosmicPenguin | see, you don't want to do that though |
| 22:17.15 | CosmicPenguin | you want to write on /dev/fb0 willy nilly and have it just work (TM) |
| 22:17.25 | CosmicPenguin | I can't think of a good way to make that transparent though |
| 22:17.31 | CosmicPenguin | not with mmap |
| 22:17.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, guess i'm not asking the right questions |
| 22:22.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: question, when an application needs to access a frame buffer, that application needs to know how to format the data that goes into the buffer, correct? |
| 22:22.31 | CosmicPenguin | yes, to a certain extent |
| 22:23.03 | prpplague | its needs to know, red is 8 bits wide and starts at bit 1 |
| 22:23.10 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 22:23.48 | prpplague | thats read from the fb driver, correct? |
| 22:24.05 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 22:25.56 | prpplague | okie dokie, i think i'm getting somewhere with this |
| 22:31.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i guess i could tell the fb that its 320x240, but actually have it as 320x280, and populate the 40 lines with the markers |
| 22:32.00 | prpplague | since the markers will never change |
| 22:32.09 | CosmicPenguin | the problem is the opening markerts |
| 22:32.26 | CosmicPenguin | the app will assume that offset 0 in the file is pixel 0 |
| 22:32.44 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, the start of pixel 0 |
| 22:33.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, which as far as the fb is concerned it would be pixel 0 |
| 22:33.42 | CosmicPenguin | but not |
| 22:33.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically pass it the fb memory location of line 21 |
| 22:34.05 | CosmicPenguin | its hard to do that with mmap |
| 22:34.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this would be done in the fb driver |
| 22:34.30 | CosmicPenguin | right - mmaped regions need to be page aligned |
| 22:34.41 | prpplague | yea, thats doable |
| 22:34.57 | prpplague | i'll give it a test |
| 22:35.09 | CosmicPenguin | wait - can you explain how you are going to do it? |
| 22:35.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the lcd controller has a virtual screen functionality |
| 22:35.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've used it before to do something similiar |
| 22:36.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'll probably just stick to using fbconsole and using a custom fb lib |
| 22:36.38 | CosmicPenguin | I am completely confused |
| 22:36.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that will probably cover 98% of the usage |
| 22:36.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, sorry |
| 22:37.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was wanting more info on the user space access to /dev/fb more than the mechanics of the driver |
| 22:38.40 | solar | is glad he never ponged |
| 22:39.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can make it work right now, you just have to format the data going to the fb properly |
| 22:39.41 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 22:41.09 | solar | that chrontel part really got you thinking eh? |
| 22:41.40 | prpplague | solar: oh i had the chrontel up and running last december |
| 22:42.01 | prpplague | solar: i'm thinking more about using the lcd controller with a resistor ladder |
| 22:42.08 | prpplague | solar: i just a couple tests |
| 22:42.15 | prpplague | solar: i was able to get b&w running |
| 22:42.35 | prpplague | solar: but the fb needs to be format properly |
| 22:43.06 | prpplague | solar: Frame-even header , even lines, frame-odd header, odd lines |
| 22:44.10 | prpplague | has to go home |
| 22:44.11 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 23:06.04 | prpplague | returns |
| 23:06.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin did i confuse the hell out of you? |
| 23:07.48 | CosmicPenguin | sure did |
| 23:08.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:09.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin like i said, i was more curious about most fb apps know how to format the data |
| 23:10.31 | CosmicPenguin | right - but realize thats very standardized |
| 23:11.37 | prpplague | yea, thats what i was wondering about |
| 23:11.53 | prpplague | i'll need to do something in the driver to make it standardized again |
| 23:12.25 | ds2 | IIRC, there should be an ioctl that returns the format/layout |
| 23:17.19 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still not understanding how you are going to pull off the starting header with mmap |
| 23:17.35 | prpplague | won;t have mmap involved |
| 23:17.41 | prpplague | atleast for my part |
| 23:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | oh, you don't do mmap? |
| 23:19.19 | prpplague | hehe, what i mean, mmap won't even know i'm tweaking the data |
| 23:19.51 | CosmicPenguin | how? |
| 23:21.11 | prpplague | i set the memory for the size i need plus the space for the headers |
| 23:21.12 | prpplague | but only tell the kernel fb the size without the headers |
| 23:21.48 | prpplague | populate the headers in the memory outside of the area where the framebuffer is working |
| 23:24.16 | prpplague | i tested two different fb apps, they appeared to run without problems |
| 23:24.24 | prpplague | no alignment issues either |
| 23:25.06 | solar | fbgrab works? |
| 23:25.42 | prpplague | didn't try that one, i can test that in the morning |
| 23:27.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin basically i'm playing up on a bunch of the s3c2410's lcd controller features |
| 23:27.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin i doubt this would work on other controllers |
| 23:28.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin the 24bit video support for the s3c24xx also plays upon this, since it actually allocates a full 32-bits for the data |
| 23:39.09 | prpplague | solar i just tested with fbgrab, it performed as expected |
| 23:39.29 | prpplague | it captured the image, with even/odd lines |
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| 23:58.21 | solar | haha |
| 23:58.30 | solar | ok playing my first mp3 via the nail. |
| 23:58.34 | solar | it sounds umm. |
| 23:58.57 | solar | unique for sure. |
