| 00:00.00 | solar | http://rafb.net/p/RIcHrM69.html (loads and mem doing ok however) |
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| 00:57.43 | g1powermac | is surprised there is very little google results in hacking this old webtv box |
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| 01:18.59 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 01:19.08 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi |
| 01:19.25 | g1powermac | ripped apart the old webtv box he got from the thriftstore today |
| 01:19.38 | RobotGuy | Anything interesting in there? |
| 01:20.24 | g1powermac | if it still works, its got some mighty interesting unpopulated headers in it |
| 01:20.43 | g1powermac | I can easily spot a serial port and what looks to be an ide port |
| 01:21.02 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm |
| 01:22.27 | prpplague | g1powermac hehe |
| 01:22.37 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 01:22.39 | prpplague | g1powermac on the way to being a good device hacker |
| 01:22.59 | g1powermac | prpplague, hehe, for sure :-) |
| 01:23.10 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat |
| 01:23.26 | g1powermac | loves getting old boxes and ripping them apart to see how hackable they could be |
| 01:23.51 | g1powermac | hmm, wonder if this sucker has jtag, there's a ten pin port right next to the ide looking thing |
| 01:23.53 | prpplague | some guy name Retard or Chouinard asked to be on my linkedin list |
| 01:24.04 | prpplague | i can't remember which |
| 01:24.07 | g1powermac | hahah |
| 01:24.13 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat |
| 01:24.16 | chouimat | prpplague: so how work? I spent the last 2 weeks fixing character encoding between linux,windows and mac os x in the product .... |
| 01:24.44 | g1powermac | I think this sucker is using a mips proc |
| 01:24.49 | prpplague | chouimat eh gads |
| 01:25.23 | prpplague | chouimat that sounds like going out fat chick that doesn't put out |
| 01:25.24 | chouimat | prpplague: was fun. and I scored a lot of points with management ;) |
| 01:25.31 | prpplague | i/with |
| 01:25.55 | prpplague | chouimat atleast thats something |
| 01:26.18 | prpplague | chouimat you just signed up for linkedin ? |
| 01:27.03 | chouimat | a month or 2 ago |
| 01:27.28 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:28.00 | chouimat | prpplague: and they where impressed by my solutions. now I'm being told I'm central/essential for the next release on the CPE side of the product |
| 01:28.55 | prpplague | nice |
| 01:29.16 | chouimat | not bad for 8 months :) |
| 01:29.46 | prpplague | chouimat now if you could get a hot girlfriend to tell you the same thing |
| 01:29.59 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat |
| 01:30.32 | chouimat | prpplague: maybe I should go work in some tropical paradise like someone I know ;) |
| 01:30.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:30.59 | g1powermac | yup, its a MIPS alright |
| 01:31.11 | g1powermac | http://www.orner-stepp.com/CV/cv_product_photos.htm |
| 01:31.24 | prpplague | chouimat no need, donna has a whole host of relatives in montreal and toronto |
| 01:31.27 | g1powermac | that guy has worked on alot of products, including my webtv box |
| 01:31.32 | g1powermac | which is the mat976 |
| 01:32.16 | g1powermac | "This was a custom ASIC being developed by Toshiba, Philips and Microsoft. It was to be a complete set top box controller with an integrated MIPS R5000 CPU and video DAC's that runs Windows CE. My group worked on the specification development. This project was an extension of a previous graphics controller ASIC that we were building upon. This ASIC was to be used in all WebTV products as well as the European set top boxes like the one sho |
| 01:32.16 | g1powermac | wn above." |
| 01:32.53 | chouimat | prpplague: any singles? |
| 01:33.22 | prpplague | yea lots hehe |
| 01:33.44 | g1powermac | I wonder how custom the chip is and if linux could actually run on it |
| 01:33.49 | prpplague | chouimat ok, don't make fun of me here |
| 01:34.28 | prpplague | chouimat you pronounce your last name in english(as opposed to french) as Shoe-nard ,right? |
| 01:35.21 | chouimat | prpplague: close enough ... I also heard Chew-nard and alot worse |
| 01:35.40 | prpplague | g1powermac someone did a webtv cluster |
| 01:36.07 | prpplague | chouimat i grew up near the cajun's so they have lots of french town names |
| 01:36.25 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, but I think it was with the later msn branded type |
| 01:37.06 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:37.10 | prpplague | chouimat http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=choudrant,+la&ie=UTF8&ll=32.731841,-92.515869&spn=4.361518,9.624023&z=7&iwloc=addr |
| 01:38.23 | g1powermac | should try to contact that guy |
| 01:38.38 | g1powermac | wonder if he would want to divulge any interesting info on this box |
| 01:40.21 | chouimat | prpplague: Chou (fr) == Shoe (en) so choui (fr) == Shoee (en) ... |
| 01:41.15 | prpplague | chouimat ahh choui , is morn like saying Shoe-E |
| 01:41.25 | g1powermac | hmm, his email is billjunkmail@yahoo.com. . .I'd assume to remove the junkmail part but then thats one generic yahoo email address |
| 01:42.32 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... I think it's the closed the english language can come close ... and I won't say how the german spelled my name in Switzerland : Schouinard (or something like this) |
| 01:42.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:43.08 | prpplague | chouimat don't feel bad, they butcher my last name every time |
| 01:43.20 | prpplague | i automatically spell my name for people |
| 01:43.58 | g1powermac | my mom's maiden name is like that |
| 01:44.08 | chouimat | prpplague: when I was in LWE new york I had to spell my first name M-a-t-h-i-e-u and I got hmmmm interesting spelling |
| 01:44.23 | g1powermac | though really my grandmother's maiden name is so weird that my mom never spells it right |
| 01:44.29 | prpplague | indeed i just spelled it for donna :) |
| 01:44.48 | g1powermac | its a weird ukrainian name |
| 01:45.05 | chouimat | only one young double chocolate stout left in the fridge :( |
| 01:45.41 | g1powermac | its pronounced like "FED-a-roo" |
| 01:45.58 | g1powermac | how its spelt, I have no clue |
| 01:46.02 | chouimat | hehe |
| 01:48.28 | prpplague | chouimat oh the horror |
| 01:48.49 | chouimat | prpplague: the beer or the number left? |
| 01:48.57 | prpplague | the number |
| 01:49.20 | chouimat | prpplague: I can always go to the lcbo they have it in stock now |
| 01:49.22 | g1powermac | well, think its time for me to head upstairs, bbiab |
| 01:50.01 | prpplague | i would sell GPSFan's kidneys for young's double chocolate stout |
| 01:50.10 | chouimat | prpplague: ROFL |
| 01:51.05 | chouimat | prpplague: I gave a 2 of them to friend for his birthday and he was "WOW this stuff is GOOD!!!!" |
| 01:51.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:52.28 | chouimat | thinking about it the company BBQ is coming soon maybe I should organise a beer degustation |
| 01:53.13 | prpplague | i'm stuck with bodingtons tonight |
| 01:53.50 | chouimat | prpplague: I have a 36 in the fridge ... I'm currently drinking a Blackthorn (cider) |
| 01:54.34 | solar | is drinking gentlemen jack |
| 01:55.04 | g1powermac_PB | poor GPSFan ;-) |
| 01:55.21 | solar | underage? |
| 01:55.43 | g1powermac_PB | no, prpplague is going to sell his kidneys ;-) |
| 01:55.59 | chouimat | for a young;s double chocolate stout |
| 01:56.44 | g1powermac_PB | wants to find an organic hard cider. . . |
| 01:57.09 | solar | RobotGuy should be able to find dozens |
| 01:57.29 | g1powermac_PB | I can't seem to find any here |
| 01:57.31 | RobotGuy | I wish. |
| 01:58.20 | g1powermac_PB | found a few made in england, but that doesn't help me ;-) |
| 01:58.20 | solar | pretty sure I've had a few when I lived in oregon |
| 01:58.20 | RobotGuy | solar: I am working on a different init scheme - taking some module setup into inits. |
| 01:58.20 | solar | is it really worth it however. |
| 01:58.37 | solar | of the things that should be organic in your life. Stuff like peanuts and tomatos are what matter the most. |
| 01:58.41 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: I have a nice 5% from england and I know a few in Quebec that they are 10 to 13% alcohol (but they are close to wine than beer) (french type) |
| 01:59.08 | g1powermac_PB | mm, the 5% would prolly be quite good |
| 01:59.23 | g1powermac_PB | though I'd do the wine like ones too |
| 02:01.21 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: you can use the wine like to make interesting drink: a little bit of blackcurrent liquor, a third of the glass with the wine like cider (it still had CO2 in it) and the rest is an ale ... it's good |
| 02:01.43 | chouimat | and sweet |
| 02:01.57 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, nice |
| 02:02.44 | g1powermac_PB | likes this weird drink i made with the only liquor in the house |
| 02:02.48 | chouimat | but it's not like a glass of port wine and you pour a guinness over it ;) iirc the use to call this a velvet pussy :) |
| 02:03.13 | chouimat | start dark and end pink ;) |
| 02:03.16 | chouimat | and sweet |
| 02:03.21 | g1powermac_PB | just some basic red wine (that the parents use for cooking) and some sweet bilberry juice |
| 02:03.30 | g1powermac_PB | very tasty together |
| 02:03.36 | chouimat | I bet |
| 02:04.05 | g1powermac_PB | I've used grape juice too, but I like the bilberry better |
| 02:04.36 | g1powermac_PB | oh wait, its actually a bilberry/other berry mix juice |
| 02:05.27 | chouimat | btw I remember the first time my sister and 1 of her friend decided to get drunk the first time (they were14), the older brother of the friend brought back my sister completely wasted and he told me that his sister and mine drank 3 bottle of creme de menthe (mint cream) |
| 02:06.39 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.wellnessgrocer.com/bionaturae-fruit-nectar-wild-berry-p-1601.html |
| 02:06.42 | g1powermac_PB | thats the stuff |
| 02:07.46 | g1powermac_PB | heh, I never really got drunk yet myself :-) |
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| 02:10.00 | g1powermac_PB | figures chouimat missed what I said |
| 02:10.01 | chouimat | grrrr stupid modem |
| 02:10.15 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: probably I was off for a while |
| 02:10.19 | g1powermac_PB | [22:06] g1powermac_PBhttp://www.wellnessgrocer.com/bionaturae-fruit-nectar-wild-berry-p-1601.html |
| 02:10.19 | g1powermac_PB | [22:06] g1powermac_PBthats the stuff |
| 02:10.19 | g1powermac_PB | [22:07] g1powermac_PBheh, I never really got drunk yet myself :-) |
| 02:10.54 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: sound good |
| 02:12.04 | g1powermac_PB | I really just go for taste when drinking alcoholic drinks |
| 02:12.15 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: cooking with wine is important ... but I usually have an extra bottle of the wine I plan to serve so I can cook with it ... |
| 02:12.22 | RobotGuy | could go for a six pack now |
| 02:12.37 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 02:14.05 | chouimat | taste is important. just do go for cream of mint .... in Quebec most teenagers will drink it because "the bottle is full so mom and dad won't notice it .... WRONG they will notice because nobody drink this crap!" |
| 02:14.50 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:15.03 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: sorry ;) |
| 02:18.34 | g1powermac_PB | ah well |
| 02:18.58 | g1powermac_PB | chouimat: if you ever find a good organic hard cider here in the US, lemme know :-) |
| 02:19.10 | g1powermac_PB | or know of a place I can order from. . . |
| 02:19.24 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: I will rember |
| 02:19.28 | chouimat | +em |
| 02:20.02 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/wolavers-organic-hard-cider/22506/ |
| 02:21.57 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, sounds good |
| 02:32.41 | g1powermac_PB | oh man, that company is making up a pumpkin ale. . . |
| 02:32.47 | g1powermac_PB | that sounds awesome |
| 02:33.05 | solar | oh the idea make my stomach turn |
| 02:33.27 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:33.33 | g1powermac_PB | loves pumpkin |
| 02:34.13 | RobotGuy | I prefer pumpkin in pies, not my drink. |
| 02:34.47 | RobotGuy | There is a McMeniman's right up the street from me. |
| 02:35.11 | solar | heck yeah |
| 02:35.38 | solar | to everything that leaves out pumpkins and pineapples |
| 02:36.03 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 02:48.27 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: sigh, so tomorrow I'll be seeing the GI doc |
| 02:49.19 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I hope things go well. |
| 02:49.58 | g1powermac_PB | hopefully |
| 02:50.48 | g1powermac_PB | is getting really tired of this stomach thing |
| 02:52.27 | g1powermac_PB | its a week tomorrow of daily painful intestinal cramping |
| 02:54.08 | chouimat | ? |
| 02:56.01 | g1powermac_PB | chouimat: its a really long story |
| 02:57.07 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: can't worse that me making sure the software work correctly in french on linux, windows and mac osx :) |
| 02:57.41 | g1powermac_PB | chouimat: depending on the software, it can be |
| 02:59.05 | chouimat | g1powermac_PB: embedded stuff, so I had to make sure that the client could use --iconv= ... |
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| 03:40.13 | GPSFan | ~lart prpplague for selling GPSFan's kidneys |
| 03:40.13 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on prpplague for selling GPSFan's kidneys |
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| 06:41.35 | methril | yo yo |
| 06:41.37 | methril | :) |
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| 07:34.55 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 07:41.10 | methril | hola |
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| 10:30.21 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi! |
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| 12:09.49 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 12:10.18 | RobotGuy | How are you? |
| 12:11.15 | g1powermac_PB | meh, tired |
| 12:11.19 | g1powermac_PB | you? |
| 12:11.34 | RobotGuy | Not so good. |
| 12:20.09 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* last night was not fun |
| 12:20.33 | g1powermac_PB | the pain kept me up till almost midnight |
| 12:20.58 | g1powermac_PB | and I usually go to bed around 10 - 10:30 ish |
| 12:22.39 | RobotGuy | I hope things get better for you soon. |
| 12:24.25 | g1powermac_PB | hah, the openbsd guys did it again, finding a bug this time dating back 33 years ago |
| 12:24.39 | g1powermac_PB | http://bsd.slashdot.org/bsd/08/07/08/2236232.shtml |
| 12:27.19 | RobotGuy | And they pride themselves on no bugs. |
| 12:28.08 | g1powermac_PB | yea, but its kinda cool that they're finding ancient bugs like this |
| 12:28.31 | g1powermac_PB | especially considering these bugs have lasted for decades |
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| 12:33.51 | RobotGuy | That's amazing |
| 12:34.08 | RobotGuy | I'm surprised nobody tripped over that one before now. |
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| 12:47.10 | landley | Hiya prpplague^2. |
| 12:47.25 | landley | Was there ever any kind of tracking information for the case you said you were sending me? |
| 12:47.55 | landley | is tracking 6 cases of splenda "quick packs". They were last seen in Lewisberry, PA. |
| 12:48.07 | landley | is annoyed the local stores stopped carrying the stuff. |
| 12:48.22 | landley | Using 30 of the individual packets to make a gallon off tea is silly. |
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| 12:56.54 | RobotGuy | landley: Hi |
| 13:03.35 | landley | Hi robotguy. |
| 13:04.13 | landley | I should have a 0.9.0 release of firmware linux out soon. |
| 13:04.19 | landley | It's now building under itself. |
| 13:05.12 | landley | More or less, anyway. :) |
| 13:05.20 | landley | (The packaging stage is still a pain...) |
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| 13:19.05 | RobotGuy | landley: Cool |
| 13:19.16 | RobotGuy | I'm using Gentoo Embedded now. |
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| 13:34.54 | prpplague | landley__: hey |
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| 13:54.48 | prpplague | ~lart GPSFan for not updating the Flyswatter wiki page |
| 13:54.48 | purl | gives GPSFan an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending GPSFan to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for not updating the Flyswatter wiki page |
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| 13:56.43 | g1powermac | ok, who thinks I should remove the 'junkmail' part from billjunkmail@yahoo.com ? |
| 13:59.09 | RobotGuy | I do |
| 13:59.20 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 13:59.27 | g1powermac | meh, just tried it and it bounced back |
| 14:00.07 | mnemoc | OT: anyone here living in Rome? |
| 14:01.27 | prpplague | mnemoc: i have a friend who lives in Rome,Texas |
| 14:01.27 | g1powermac | interestingly with the junkmail part left in there, it hasn't bounced back yet |
| 14:01.38 | g1powermac | heh |
| 14:01.56 | g1powermac | prpplague, we got french towns here, like Paris, KY :-) |
| 14:02.11 | g1powermac | best one though is Versailles |
| 14:02.22 | g1powermac | they don't pronounce it as it should be |
| 14:02.26 | prpplague | makes a joke |
| 14:02.36 | mnemoc | doh |
| 14:02.38 | prpplague | g1powermac: i bet they are just as rude there in KY as they are in france |
| 14:02.41 | g1powermac | they pronounce it as "Ver-sales" |
| 14:02.55 | RobotGuy | How about Rome, OR? |
| 14:02.55 | g1powermac | heh |
| 14:03.27 | RobotGuy | looks for the joke. ;) |
| 14:03.28 | g1powermac | oh and Louisville, KY must be pronounced as "Lua-vil" |
| 14:03.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the french are known for being rude to tourists |
| 14:03.50 | g1powermac | if you say it anyother way, you're asking for trouble |
| 14:03.53 | mnemoc | RobotGuy: .it :\ |
| 14:04.19 | RobotGuy | I've never been outside the USA. |
| 14:04.39 | g1powermac | has been to canada for about two hours ;-) |
| 14:04.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and i've never been to france, but i've read about it |
| 14:04.43 | mnemoc | ^_^ |
| 14:04.43 | RobotGuy | I don't have a passport |
| 14:04.51 | mnemoc | i have three :p |
| 14:04.51 | g1powermac | seen niagara falls from the canadian side |
| 14:05.23 | RobotGuy | has a weakness for Aussie and Scottish women. |
| 14:11.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: I looked for the flyswatter page and couldn't find it. how do you get there from the main hammer page? |
| 14:15.38 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/Flyswatter |
| 14:15.52 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:15.55 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/Category:TinCanTools |
| 14:15.59 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:16.09 | prpplague | speaking of french |
| 14:16.51 | prpplague | chouimat|work: are french-canadians rude to tourists like the french are? |
| 14:17.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: thought i had a link for it |
| 14:17.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's not linked of the main hardware page or the hammer page. I'll add a few words about my NSLU2 work |
| 14:17.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll add something |
| 14:17.19 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 14:17.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: depend how huge the belly is and how small the speedo is :) |
| 14:17.30 | prpplague | HA |
| 14:17.52 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it depend |
| 14:17.57 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, that is just soo wrong ;-) |
| 14:18.18 | chouimat|work | g1powermac why do you think I don't go to florida in winter ;) |
| 14:18.44 | g1powermac | heh |
| 14:18.51 | g1powermac | just don't go to florida, period :-) |
| 14:19.00 | chouimat|work | http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=9402851a-bcb7-41f6-b7d2-68d27705bb66 |
| 14:20.47 | RobotGuy | has four builds going. |
| 14:21.03 | RobotGuy | Just don't go to the South, period. |
| 14:21.29 | RobotGuy | Well, the Southeast |
| 14:21.37 | g1powermac | sadly for prpplague and myself, we're living right in it |
| 14:21.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://elinux.org/Hardware_Hacking |
| 14:22.01 | RobotGuy | I don't consider Texas as part of the Southeast. |
| 14:22.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: You are in KY, right? |
| 14:22.21 | g1powermac | yup |
| 14:22.30 | RobotGuy | That isn't SE either. |
| 14:22.32 | g1powermac | KY and WV are the lost states |
| 14:22.43 | g1powermac | they're not part of any major grouping ;-) |
| 14:22.56 | RobotGuy | It's the Southeast I don't want to go to again. |
| 14:23.20 | RobotGuy | GA and SC in particular. |
| 14:24.49 | RobotGuy | I almost have my GNOME desktop setup now for Gentoo. |
| 14:25.26 | RobotGuy | I've gotten a few winks from KY and WV women. |
| 14:26.36 | g1powermac | oh dear |
| 14:26.46 | g1powermac | thats never a good sign |
| 14:29.30 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Why is that not a good sign? |
| 14:30.08 | g1powermac | ya get too close and they'll force ya to marry with a shotgun to your back ;-) |
| 14:30.23 | g1powermac | make that a sawed off shot gun ;-) |
| 14:33.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: flyswatter page updated. I maght add a bit more, but I added sample .cfg and .ocd files |
| 14:33.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks |
| 14:33.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: every little piece of info helps |
| 14:36.09 | GPSFan | prpplague: you should try and get these guys to support the flyswatter http://urjtag.org/ it looks like a nice program and supports many of the fdti based JTAG adapters. |
| 14:36.27 | prpplague | looks |
| 14:37.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, i'll have to download that and test |
| 14:38.00 | GPSFan | I tried to get it to work with the flyswatter, but none of the suppoeted adapters were close enough. it looks fairly east ot adapt the config code. |
| 14:38.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: if it supports any of the ftdi based jtags, should be easy enough to add the flyswatter |
| 14:38.31 | GPSFan | yeah, I think that vapier is one of the dev's |
| 14:38.42 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:39.29 | RobotGuy | I've been trying to find a place to dl a Windows XP ISO (I can not find mine), but no luck. |
| 14:39.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: downloading now to have a quick look at |
| 14:39.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: got a ton of work to do today |
| 14:41.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: no rush, I got my nslu2 fixed, so I was just passing on another linux software jtag package that should be fairly simple to get going. |
| 14:42.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i'm worried about openocd though |
| 14:46.22 | chouimat|work | prpplague: why? |
| 14:47.25 | RobotGuy | thinks about saving for a pico-ITX and pico-PSU |
| 14:48.24 | prpplague | chouimat|work: the same crowd that bloated the hell out of u-boot is doing the same openocd |
| 14:48.41 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I see ... |
| 14:49.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What features do you consider to be bloat? |
| 14:50.05 | mnemoc | fight fight fight |
| 14:50.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: one advantage of the urjtag stuff is its support for BSDL and is not as tied to ARM as openocd. OTH my openocd bin was 1.2M and my urjtag bin was 900k. |
| 14:50.41 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: the picos are interesting, overpriced, but interesting |
| 14:51.01 | g1powermac_PB | personally I want a nano-itx |
| 14:51.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its not a matter of features perse, its about the how the whole structure is changing making it far more difficult |
| 14:51.26 | RobotGuy | Nanos are nice also. I could even use a mini-itx |
| 14:51.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, well, that does not sound good then. |
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| 14:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | I am very nearly done with linux-embedded |
| 14:52.53 | CosmicPenguin | having a bunch of geeks redux the same arguments we've been having for 7 years is not interesting |
| 14:52.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 14:53.00 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Problems? |
| 14:53.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the mailing list? |
| 14:53.47 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I wouldn't mind having a nano-itx or mini-itx running Linux. |
| 14:54.16 | g1powermac_PB | has a couple of ancient mini-itx made into a cluster |
| 14:54.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Something to test out various possibilities with. |
| 14:54.19 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: it's no different from any other mailing list, you just have to ignore the crap |
| 14:54.41 | RobotGuy | wmat: For sure. Some lists just have more crap than others. |
| 14:55.05 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 14:55.39 | wmat | as I age, I unsubscribe from more and more ;) |
| 14:55.43 | RobotGuy | This seems to be my week to hose hardware. :( Seems I have trashed three flash drives. :( :( NOT happy about that at all. |
| 14:55.49 | chouimat|work | grrr urjtag doesn't have the definition for the one I need to unbrick |
| 14:56.00 | prpplague | wmat: well its proven to be no help at all imho, just a forum for people to do the same arguments as they have when they attend conferences |
| 14:56.17 | wmat | yep |
| 14:59.41 | CosmicPenguin | laughs at http://mailman.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016333.html |
| 14:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | I'll bet if I gave any one of you a XO and a datasheet, you could figure all that out in about 20 minutes |
| 15:05.30 | RobotGuy | Can flash drives be recovered? |
| 15:05.46 | mnemoc | recicled :p |
| 15:05.53 | mnemoc | y* |
| 15:07.08 | RobotGuy | sends mnemoc the ping of death. :P |
| 15:07.18 | CosmicPenguin | Its that time of year again |
| 15:07.19 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 15:07.23 | CosmicPenguin | buys tickets for the GABF |
| 15:13.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: GABF? |
| 15:13.33 | CosmicPenguin | Great American Beer Festival |
| 15:13.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh lovely |
| 15:14.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, that post seems a little silly |
| 15:14.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you should visit one of these years for the GABF - you would have a good time |
| 15:14.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i wish i could |
| 15:28.52 | g1powermac_PB | has a question for you guys |
| 15:29.18 | g1powermac_PB | what kind of usb does this chip have: CY7C68013A |
| 15:29.51 | g1powermac_PB | the datasheet says its a usb transceiver |
| 15:29.59 | g1powermac_PB | is that usb host or device? |
| 15:39.32 | magnetron | g1powermac_PB, doesn't say |
| 15:43.35 | RobotGuy | That's a Cypress chip. http://www.cypress.com |
| 15:44.15 | RobotGuy | I am pretty sure they are device USB only. |
| 15:46.05 | g1powermac_PB | magnetron: yea, thats whats weird |
| 15:47.12 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab |
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| 16:11.24 | RobotGuy | OK, I'll assume for now my flash drives are trashed, but I have no idea how they could be. |
| 16:27.50 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, this CY7C67300 is an interesting chip |
| 16:44.42 | g1powermac_PB | is there any module out there that'll do ethernet to wifi? |
| 16:44.54 | g1powermac_PB | basically a wifi bridge module |
| 16:49.27 | RobotGuy | I think I am just going to give up on this stuff this week. |
| 16:50.15 | RobotGuy | I just can't get anything to work. |
| 17:02.15 | prpplague | how the heck do you smoke a thumb drive |
| 17:02.16 | prpplague | ?? |
| 17:04.27 | dbtid | prpplague: blowtorch? ;) |
| 17:04.50 | prpplague | ha funny |
| 17:05.16 | dbtid | i bet the fumes are pretty toxic though :) |
| 17:06.55 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:07.19 | prpplague | i can't believe the number of things RobotGuy has broken lately |
| 17:07.30 | dbtid | lol |
| 17:07.37 | dbtid | give him a complex why dontcha? |
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| 17:08.27 | dbtid | whoever heard of writing directly to /var/log/messages? that makes about no sense. |
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| 17:37.09 | g1powermac_PB | dbtid: can't be anymore toxic than standard cigarette smoke :-) |
| 17:42.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats wrong with your thumbdrives? |
| 17:43.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm not sure it is the thumb drives now. I really don't know. I am not getting them detected, even by my PC, a lot of times. Othertimes they are detected fine. |
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| 17:44.50 | g1powermac_PB | has that problem with a card reader |
| 17:44.52 | RobotGuy | My PC won't detect them at all now. But Nail will sometimes detect them. |
| 17:45.36 | RobotGuy | The results I am seeing do not make sense to me. |
| 17:51.06 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it *is* work safe: http://rim.jobs |
| 17:51.47 | RobotGuy | I see at least part of the problem. I'll get solar to help. |
| 17:52.30 | RobotGuy | I'm not getting some device files created (/dev/sda1). |
| 17:53.45 | ds2 | morning |
| 17:55.51 | RobotGuy | Who woke ds2 up? ;) |
| 17:56.05 | RobotGuy | kids around with ds2 |
| 17:56.12 | g1powermac_PB | I think it was the smoking tumbdrives ;-) |
| 17:56.45 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: They may be fine. I just discovered some important device files are not being created |
| 17:56.46 | chouimat|work | g1powermac_PB: probably not he would have been completely stoned |
| 17:56.47 | g1powermac_PB | no halfway decent geek doesn't immediately wake up in utter terror when they smell burning electronics ;-) |
| 17:57.46 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: funny you say that... ironically, that actually happened |
| 17:58.22 | ds2 | woke up to smell of burning phenolic once... turns out the isolation transformer on the ethernet card was burnt |
| 18:00.43 | RobotGuy | can brick the unbrickable |
| 18:00.44 | ds2 | RobotGuy: are you at following basic ESD precautions? |
| 18:00.55 | RobotGuy | ds2: I shouldn't have to in order to plug USB devices and unplug them. |
| 18:01.29 | ds2 | RobotGuy: actually, you do/should unless you are never touching any of the metal surfaces |
| 18:01.54 | ds2 | IIRC, the hammer doesn't ahve any of the surge absorbors for ESD protection on its USB ports |
| 18:02.14 | RobotGuy | ds2: How many people do you think are even aware of ESD precautions who have thumd drives and other USB devices? |
| 18:02.46 | RobotGuy | s/thumd/thumb/ |
| 18:03.54 | ds2 | RobotGuy: not many but the question to ask is how many people have killed USB thumb drives by being careless... I know my friend killed one |
| 18:04.07 | RobotGuy | ds2: It's not Hammer that should have them, but the carrier board should provide that. |
| 18:04.24 | ds2 | it is somewhat different from a PC where they assume everyone IS an idiot |
| 18:05.01 | CosmicPenguin | where, we don't assume, we know |
| 18:05.07 | CosmicPenguin | s/where/here/ |
| 18:05.24 | ds2 | besides, basic ESD isn't hard...touch a reasonable ground before touch any component/boards |
| 18:05.29 | RobotGuy | Yeah, so maybe I am just an idiot then. |
| 18:05.45 | ds2 | don't need to have wrist straps, mats, or be standing nekkid in a tub of water ;) |
| 18:06.09 | CosmicPenguin | sounds like friday night all over again |
| 18:06.26 | ds2 | helps to not be wearing a wool sweater in 10% humiditiy with glass jewery while petting a cat next to a running van de graf generator ;) |
| 18:06.51 | ds2 | and wearing non conductive rubber sole shoes too |
| 18:12.52 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 18:13.02 | RobotGuy | I think I am just overloading. |
| 18:21.16 | dbtid | g1powermac: i bet it's worse :) |
| 18:57.34 | RobotGuy | moves his anti-static strap closer to where his PC is. |
| 19:00.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, my hack on the fb seems to be working |
| 19:00.29 | CosmicPenguin | excellent |
| 19:00.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Something to make it easy to have color displays? |
| 19:01.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ntsc video |
| 19:01.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ahh, OK. |
| 19:01.52 | CosmicPenguin | ntsc is so yesterday |
| 19:01.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:02.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably need to use the chrontel part in the future, but i was just curious if i could hack it this way |
| 19:02.52 | RobotGuy | I wish Gentoo Embedded had the nice device_table file buildroot has. It makes it extremely easy and nice to make sure device files are created. |
| 19:02.56 | ds2 | a chrontel free driver/code would be very nice |
| 19:03.13 | ds2 | those chrontel chips are major power sinks; at least the one on the webpal is |
| 19:35.17 | solar | RobotGuy: gentoo is more intended for building a pkg at a time vs a rootfs. |
| 19:35.47 | solar | that will slowly change over time. Till then. Share your wishes about the distro somewhere that actually might yeild results |
| 19:38.07 | RobotGuy | solar: On gentoo-embedded. |
| 19:48.50 | RobotGuy | It's warm here this week. |
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| 22:47.34 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 22:48.55 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hey there. |
| 22:49.19 | g1powermac_PB | went to the GI doc this afternoon |
| 22:49.36 | RobotGuy | How did it go? |
| 22:49.44 | g1powermac_PB | and like all the other specialists before him, I stumped him. . . |
| 22:50.18 | RobotGuy | I'm used to doing that too. It sucks though. I know the root cause of most of my problems, but the doctors won't believe me. |
| 22:50.28 | RobotGuy | They just want to bandaid the symptoms. |
| 22:50.39 | g1powermac_PB | wishes he knew the root cause |
| 22:51.07 | g1powermac_PB | but something hit me today at the GI doc |
| 22:51.11 | RobotGuy | Knowing the root cause isn't always a good thing though. It can make the problem worse. |
| 22:51.20 | RobotGuy | Did it hurt? |
| 22:52.10 | g1powermac_PB | the cardiologist eventually concluded I had parasympathetic overdrive (don't bother googling it, there's very little info on that term as I think there's a better term for it) |
| 22:52.32 | g1powermac_PB | now this is where things get interesting |
| 22:52.59 | g1powermac_PB | there's two major systems of the autonomic nervous system |
| 22:53.20 | g1powermac_PB | the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems |
| 22:53.42 | g1powermac_PB | each work hand in hand together in a seesaw like fashion |
| 22:54.32 | g1powermac_PB | one will stimulate an organ and the other will decrease the organs activity |
| 22:55.05 | g1powermac_PB | now if one system over powers the other, things get funky |
| 22:55.24 | g1powermac_PB | like, for me, a low heart rate |
| 22:55.59 | g1powermac_PB | now whats interesting is what also parasympathetic nervous system does |
| 22:57.28 | g1powermac_PB | if it dominates the sympathetic side, it'll speed up your stomach and intestines while at the same time cause low blood pressure, fatigue, concentration issues, and other neurological issues |
| 22:57.51 | g1powermac_PB | (which I match quite nicely) |
| 22:58.10 | g1powermac_PB | the only real question now is if it can be intermittent |
| 22:58.53 | RobotGuy | Wow |
| 22:59.50 | g1powermac_PB | and now of course is the question of what actually causes this |
| 23:02.09 | g1powermac_PB | part of your autonomic nervous system is controlled by the hypothalamus, which is oh so close to the pituitary gland. actually it controls the pituitary |
| 23:02.17 | g1powermac_PB | so now that raises a whole bunch of questions |
| 23:05.50 | RobotGuy | Man, Ghana must be the predator/scammer country, |
| 23:07.17 | RobotGuy | I sure hope you find out the cause of all this. I'd be happy if the doctors could find the cause of my inner ear and balance problem and fix it. The ENT told me it isn't fixable, but he isn't qualified for inner ear problems - that's an Otologist. |
| 23:07.20 | g1powermac_PB | I would to just sit down with a doctor and explain this whole thing and for them to not look at me funny |
| 23:07.47 | RobotGuy | Doctors do not have all the answers sometimes. |
| 23:08.02 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 23:08.39 | RobotGuy | How is the ZipIt2? |
| 23:08.52 | g1powermac_PB | still waiting for my replacement :-) |
| 23:09.36 | RobotGuy | replacement? |
| 23:10.02 | g1powermac_PB | yea, prpplague decided to keep my old zipit's board |
| 23:10.09 | g1powermac_PB | so he bought me a whole new one :-) |
| 23:10.10 | RobotGuy | Oooooooh. |
| 23:10.14 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 23:11.01 | RobotGuy | wonders if he will ever accomplish anything useful with Hammer. |
| 23:11.17 | g1powermac_PB | sigh: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/07/09/2027248.shtml |
| 23:11.33 | g1powermac_PB | I'm really hating the gov't |
| 23:12.10 | RobotGuy | One step closer to a Police State |
| 23:13.11 | g1powermac_PB | I see this going really quick into SCOTUS |
| 23:13.23 | g1powermac_PB | of course it'll be years before they decide on it |
| 23:14.35 | RobotGuy | I feel a bit like doing some hardware hacking. |
| 23:15.03 | g1powermac_PB | and freikin obama voted yes for that |
| 23:15.10 | RobotGuy | Figures |
| 23:15.11 | g1powermac_PB | while hilary voted nay |
| 23:17.13 | g1powermac_PB | that tells you right there who would have been a better candidate |
| 23:20.50 | RobotGuy | Perhaps |