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| 01:16.28 | ds2 | wow humidity sensors are expensive! |
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| 01:18.31 | g1powermac_PB | heh, i heard back from the guy who helped design the webtv box I bought |
| 01:18.46 | g1powermac_PB | he basically said to go buy an old tivo and hack that instead ;-) |
| 01:19.08 | RobotGuy | Oh really? |
| 01:19.45 | g1powermac_PB | yea, the processor is a highly integrated asic combining a mips proc, northbridge, and graphics stuff |
| 01:19.57 | g1powermac_PB | and its all proprietary stuff now owned by good ole MS |
| 01:20.42 | RobotGuy | Oh goodie |
| 01:20.56 | RobotGuy | Hack Microsoft? :P |
| 01:21.01 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.pastebin.ca/1067399 |
| 01:22.14 | RobotGuy | Wow |
| 01:24.14 | g1powermac_PB | he didn't mention anything about the possible jtag port |
| 01:24.59 | g1powermac_PB | ah well, I'll prolly scrap it |
| 01:25.13 | g1powermac_PB | though I know I'm going to reuse that IR keyboard it came with |
| 01:27.52 | RobotGuy | I was going to do a bit of hardware stuff too, but I can't find my #30 wire. |
| 01:28.24 | RobotGuy | Somebody helped me do some cleaning and now I can't find a lot of things. |
| 01:28.48 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 01:30.58 | g1powermac_PB | ouch |
| 01:31.08 | g1powermac_PB | I never let anyone touch my stuff |
| 01:31.15 | g1powermac_PB | if they do, I freak out |
| 01:33.47 | g1powermac_PB | is so looking forward to getting a welder |
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| 01:35.20 | g1powermac_PB | hey chouimat |
| 01:36.54 | chouimat | hi |
| 01:40.11 | RobotGuy | I wouldn't normally let anyone touch my stuff either. I just got some unexpected cleaning help, which I did need. |
| 01:40.20 | RobotGuy | chouimat: Hi |
| 01:41.04 | chouimat | bbl I need to eat something |
| 01:44.53 | RobotGuy | I just modified one of solar's scripts to do some extra cleaning before creating the JFFS2 image. :) |
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| 01:52.35 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hi! |
| 01:52.47 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Howdy |
| 01:52.53 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: How goes it? |
| 01:52.57 | RobotGuy | How is everything? |
| 01:53.03 | RobotGuy | So so, here. |
| 01:53.16 | g1powermac_PB | hey ce_geek |
| 01:54.06 | ce_geek | Still waiting for a hammer board so I can do more hammer stuff. Prp hasn't gotten back to me yet :-/ |
| 01:54.38 | RobotGuy | I have the distinction of being the only person to have hosed a hammer module - TWICE. |
| 01:55.33 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: you still got the dead ones? |
| 01:55.52 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Just one apparently dead one here now. |
| 01:56.08 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 01:56.26 | RobotGuy | prplague wants it back when I can send it. |
| 01:56.52 | RobotGuy | I still don't see how this one could have gotten hosed. |
| 02:00.43 | g1powermac_PB | http://cgi.ebay.com/135-AMP-MIG-MAG-Welder-Flux-Welding-Welder-Machine-New_W0QQitemZ120280920911QQihZ002QQcategoryZ42291QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:00.58 | g1powermac_PB | thats the welder I want |
| 02:05.33 | chouimat | shit reiser is on 20/20 abc |
| 02:06.05 | g1powermac_PB | hah |
| 02:06.37 | g1powermac_PB | watching it now |
| 02:07.06 | g1powermac_PB | amazingly it got to the main media |
| 02:08.04 | chouimat | it's interesting |
| 02:08.05 | GPSFan | g1powermac: save up and buy a Hobart Handler 125 or 140. |
| 02:08.49 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: its going to be for my birthday :-) |
| 02:09.19 | g1powermac_PB | so I got a limit to how much my parents will be willing to spend |
| 02:10.00 | GPSFan | g1powermac: depending onwhat you want to do with it, a cheap welder may be ok, but if you are going to do anything serious get a good one. |
| 02:10.27 | g1powermac_PB | nah, nothing terribly serious |
| 02:10.40 | g1powermac_PB | mainly will be welding aluminum |
| 02:12.04 | GPSFan | g1powermac: then 299 may be ok, but at 135 amps and only 115VAC, it's breaker popping time. |
| 02:12.25 | GPSFan | g1powermac: you really want a TIG for aluminum. |
| 02:12.36 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I know |
| 02:12.51 | g1powermac_PB | but TIGs are far from cheap |
| 02:12.56 | GPSFan | 2k |
| 02:13.23 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: How did you hose it? |
| 02:13.36 | GPSFan | g1powermac: and AC inverter is the way to go. like a TA 185 |
| 02:14.11 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I would've went with a 220v one if I had a 220v plug available |
| 02:14.37 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Well, according to prpplague, I had some option turned on in my kernel config that caused a pin to be set wrong, or something like that. |
| 02:14.52 | RobotGuy | I'm still not sure about that though. |
| 02:14.55 | GPSFan | g1powermac: yeah, it's a real pain to go resetting the breaker every time you get 3" of bead down. |
| 02:15.27 | g1powermac_PB | but I can't run a 220v line either as we rent this house |
| 02:16.04 | GPSFan | g1powermac: you got a electric dryer? build a 50A extension cord. |
| 02:16.14 | g1powermac_PB | though I really don't think landlord would mind all too much |
| 02:16.24 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, that we do |
| 02:16.39 | g1powermac_PB | that would have to be one long extension cord though |
| 02:17.20 | GPSFan | get a NEMA6-50 plug ~$20 and a socket and then dig up a long piece of 12-3 and go for it. |
| 02:17.58 | g1powermac_PB | heh, hmm |
| 02:18.21 | GPSFan | g1powermac: if you are at all interested in welding this is a good forum to read: http://weldingweb.com/index.php |
| 02:18.50 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, nice, thanks |
| 02:19.19 | GPSFan | g1powermac: mostly pro's but a lot of good pictures, tips and equipment reviews. |
| 02:24.56 | g1powermac_PB | after the welder/grinder, I'm definitely going for a ban saw next |
| 02:25.05 | g1powermac_PB | *band |
| 02:25.43 | GPSFan | g1powermac: don't forget the welding helmet, go for AD. even if you get the Harbor Freight (not their cheapest) one. |
| 02:26.39 | g1powermac_PB | oh yea |
| 02:26.50 | g1powermac_PB | and some gloves |
| 02:27.34 | GPSFan | g1powermac: get a set of leathers it will save your shirts. ;>) |
| 02:28.04 | g1powermac_PB | hehe, I need some new long sleeve shirts anyway ;-) |
| 02:29.42 | GPSFan | and never weld in shorts or a tee shirt.... btdt got the teeshirt (with holes) the sunburn, & scars to prove it.... |
| 02:32.35 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, for such a brilliant guy, hans did a poor job covering up the murder |
| 02:35.08 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: hehe, good thing I very rarely wear shorts :-) |
| 02:36.04 | g1powermac_PB | though I need to get out my heavier cotton pants, these polyester pants I'm wearing now are asking for trouble |
| 02:37.03 | GPSFan | g1powermac: Hans supprised us all, good programmer, poor (somewhat of an understatement) with social skills. |
| 02:37.15 | GPSFan | g1powermac: don't wear polyester. |
| 02:38.00 | GPSFan | cotton or wool (of course I'd say wool being a sheep man) |
| 02:38.14 | g1powermac_PB | :-) |
| 02:45.45 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
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| 06:46.34 | methril | yo yo |
| 06:53.06 | RobotGuy | HI! |
| 06:53.26 | RobotGuy | Our resident yo yo arrives! |
| 06:53.40 | methril | good morning here :) |
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| 07:12.44 | RobotGuy | How is everything? |
| 07:13.38 | [AD]Turbo | yohola |
| 07:14.08 | RobotGuy | yohola back at ya |
| 07:14.25 | RobotGuy | I hope I didn't just use a bad word.. :P |
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| 07:28.42 | methril | all is ok, working, and learning :) |
| 07:30.45 | RobotGuy | Same here! |
| 07:32.17 | methril | but it's late there, isn't it? |
| 07:34.21 | RobotGuy | 12:34 AM |
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| 13:40.52 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague and RobotGuy |
| 13:41.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: greetings |
| 13:42.41 | g1powermac_PB | woke up to utter pain right under the chest bone this morning |
| 13:43.56 | g1powermac_PB | might have gallstones :( |
| 13:48.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Greetings |
| 13:48.36 | prpplague | hey |
| 13:49.05 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: that was one thing the GI doc had mentioned about this type of pain |
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| 13:53.42 | g1powermac_PB | just made a small donation to the EFF |
| 13:54.02 | g1powermac_PB | I'd like to see them go after this stupid telecom immunity bill that was passed |
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| 15:09.01 | prpplague | lovely, the i/o boards are f'd |
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| 15:59.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Which I/O boards? |
| 16:00.08 | prpplague | for the 8050 |
| 16:00.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will be offline for awhile soon. |
| 16:00.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh? |
| 16:01.01 | RobotGuy | Yeah. |
| 16:01.44 | dbtid | someone pulling your plug? battery run down? ;-) |
| 16:04.12 | g1powermac_PB | yay, disassembly of the new iphone: http://live.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/iPhone3G |
| 16:04.53 | CosmicPenguin | declares an iphone free zone |
| 16:05.22 | g1powermac_PB | meh, its still fun to see one disassembled, we're all geeks, and tech porn is our thing ;-) |
| 16:07.12 | RobotGuy | dbtid: Plug getting pulled soon. |
| 16:07.49 | dbtid | working too hard? |
| 16:08.27 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: ouch, sorry to hear that |
| 16:10.42 | prpplague | just doesn't get excited about cell phones |
| 16:14.25 | RobotGuy | I only get excited about cell phones when they enhance my life in some way and/or make things easier for me. |
| 16:15.09 | CosmicPenguin | The hype is killing me |
| 16:15.21 | CosmicPenguin | Its cool and all, but seesh |
| 16:16.08 | RobotGuy | My new cell phone (Samsung Blackjack II) is a definite upgrade from my old phone (Nokia 6600), but unfortunately it runs Windows Mobile. |
| 16:17.06 | RobotGuy | The Blackjack II is my calendar, alarm clock (several alarms), phone, and entertainment center when I am on the go. |
| 16:17.28 | RobotGuy | Processor is an OMAP 1710 |
| 16:17.54 | CosmicPenguin | The only gadget I really gush over are the Nokia tablets |
| 16:17.58 | CosmicPenguin | because I think they are cool and functional |
| 16:18.37 | g1powermac_PB | well, time to go home, bbiab |
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| 16:20.52 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: A Nokia 8xx with a built in 3G phone would be awesome. |
| 16:22.13 | CosmicPenguin | I don't buy into the phone + tablet idea |
| 16:22.19 | CosmicPenguin | I have a phone, it is small, it fits in my pocket |
| 16:22.33 | CosmicPenguin | I don't take the tablet with me all the time, I really don't have a use for it every day |
| 16:22.47 | CosmicPenguin | so for me, the bluetooth connection is far more valuable then having them together |
| 16:23.00 | CosmicPenguin | clearly, most people diasgree, seeing as how popular smart phones are these days |
| 16:23.42 | CosmicPenguin | of course, if the US was smart, we would be more like Europe, and we would swap SIM cards between phones |
| 16:23.59 | CosmicPenguin | All the guys I know in germany have three or four phones and one sim card |
| 16:24.19 | CosmicPenguin | one phone for work (where camera phones are prohibited), one phone for clubing, a phone in the car, etc, etc. |
| 16:33.34 | RobotGuy | One phone just for clubing? |
| 16:33.42 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 16:33.55 | CosmicPenguin | crazy, huh? |
| 16:34.33 | RobotGuy | I would just have maybe two phones - one for work (no camera) and my regular phone for everything else. |
| 16:34.57 | CosmicPenguin | the point is that the SIM card is important and the phones are not, so the price is low enough that you can adapt yourself |
| 16:35.15 | CosmicPenguin | so in that case, I would be all about a nokia with an integrated phone, because I could take that with if I needed it |
| 16:36.36 | RobotGuy | My only real complaint about the Blackjack II is the camera is incredibly SLOW, and I have to reboot it about every 3 days to keep internet access, |
| 16:39.37 | RobotGuy | Oh, and the other complaint, which may relate directly to the others, is it runs Windows Mobile. |
| 16:40.00 | ds2 | you could always go with TMO or CNG/ATT |
| 16:53.58 | RobotGuy | I still think US carriers are afraid of Linux based cell phones. |
| 16:54.15 | CosmicPenguin | my phone is linux based |
| 16:54.17 | CosmicPenguin | works well |
| 16:54.25 | RobotGuy | What kind is it? |
| 16:55.02 | CosmicPenguin | Motorola |
| 16:55.21 | RobotGuy | Did you get it from a US carrier? What model? |
| 16:55.47 | RobotGuy | Can you write software for your phone and load it on? |
| 16:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | Its the razr 2 from T-Mobile |
| 16:56.18 | CosmicPenguin | and no, but why would I want to do that? |
| 16:56.24 | CosmicPenguin | I need a phone, not a mobile hacking platform |
| 17:00.10 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Well, I think it's good to have the ability to write your own programs for any device you (or I) own. |
| 17:00.45 | RobotGuy | Wow, the Beagle Board is only 3" x 3" |
| 17:01.20 | RobotGuy | ds2: I have AT&T |
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| 17:46.14 | ds2 | at&t uses sims so you should be able to do the phone juggling game |
| 17:47.20 | CosmicPenguin | assuming you have N AT&T phones |
| 17:47.31 | CosmicPenguin | but AT&T is going to start letting everybody on their network, so that will get better |
| 17:47.54 | ds2 | AT&T works fine with other GSM phones |
| 17:48.00 | ds2 | as long as they are not subsity locked |
| 18:11.42 | RobotGuy | ds2: Of course. Any GSM compatible network carrier can (with an unlocked phone). |
| 18:11.42 | RobotGuy | ds2: My Nokia 6600 is unlocked and can go to any GSM carrier now. It started out on T-Mobile. |
| 18:13.39 | dbtid | how does one unlock such a thing, i've always wondered |
| 18:14.12 | prpplague | dbtid: iirc it is usually just flashing a generic firmware image |
| 18:14.33 | dbtid | oh, so it's the phone's firmware that's locked, not the SIM card? |
| 18:16.01 | prpplague | dbtid: that is my understanding of it |
| 18:16.08 | dbtid | thx |
| 18:16.28 | prpplague | dbtid: hehe, but this is coming from someone who doesn't own a cell phone |
| 18:16.35 | dbtid | lol |
| 18:17.03 | CosmicPenguin | unlocking gets you into DMCA issues |
| 18:17.15 | dbtid | oh yeah i think i'd want to avoid that |
| 18:17.15 | CosmicPenguin | which of course, is comprable to the stuff coming from the south end of a north bound steer |
| 18:17.38 | dbtid | i'd rather not be tied up in knots in limbo |
| 18:22.37 | ds2 | not when the carrier does it |
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| 18:45.49 | g1powermac | you mean this is telling me companies still used windows 3.11 in embedded devices: http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/07/10/186236.shtml ? |
| 18:45.52 | g1powermac | crazy |
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| 19:39.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: amazing how much trouble a 100k resistor instead of a 1k resistor can create |
| 19:39.52 | ds2 | more presents from your collegue? |
| 19:40.10 | agaffney | prpplague: probably better than the other way around |
| 19:40.39 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 19:41.13 | ds2 | "we have secretly replaced your normal blend of resistors with our unique blend"; let's watch and see if the engineers int he habitat will notice ;) |
| 19:42.10 | chouimat|work | lol |
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| 21:42.12 | RobotGuy | is getting more excited about getting W.A.L.T.E.R. operational now. |
| 21:42.31 | RobotGuy | I just need a couple more software components |
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| 22:17.25 | g1powermac_PB | grumbles |
| 22:18.16 | g1powermac_PB | accidentally deleted most of his files on his desktop by accidentally sticking a space between the wildcard and what I wanted deleted |
| 22:18.29 | g1powermac_PB | luckily I don't think any of it was really important |
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| 22:29.53 | dbtid | g1powermac_PB: i just did that with a couple files... meant to do 'rm file~' and did 'rm file*' |
| 22:29.56 | dbtid | grr |
| 22:29.58 | dbtid | but it was only two |
| 22:30.02 | dbtid | and the new version was better anyway :) |
| 22:31.15 | g1powermac_PB | still remembers deleting a whole days worth of work on a program once as the backup was daily |
| 22:31.26 | g1powermac_PB | now that made me cry :-) |
| 22:32.44 | ds2 | use a netapp :P |
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| 22:33.09 | g1powermac | yea, I should have |
| 22:33.23 | g1powermac | actually it was during the backup process that I deleted it by mistake somehow |
| 22:33.37 | g1powermac | thats what really got me |
| 22:34.22 | ds2 | with a netapp that is not a problem... cd ~/.snapshot/hourly/0 ;) |
| 22:35.08 | dbtid | what do you mean by a netapp? |
| 22:36.04 | ds2 | Network Appliance Filer |
| 22:36.26 | dbtid | not familiar w/ that |
| 22:36.27 | ds2 | they maintain hourly (configureable) snapshots of what you have so accidental deletes are painlessly recovered |
| 22:42.15 | dbtid | that's nice |
| 22:42.19 | dbtid | any examples? |
| 22:45.54 | ds2 | examples? |
| 22:48.39 | dbtid | is it a program? a service? what? |
| 22:48.46 | dbtid | something that comes w/ an OS? |
| 22:53.56 | ds2 | it is a feature of a device |
| 22:54.20 | ds2 | NetApp filer is a NAS; big NFS/CIFS/HTTP server |
| 23:10.41 | RobotGuy | returns |
| 23:16.06 | RobotGuy | It's really weird.. I have to replug any USB device for it to be recognized properly. If it is already plugged in at boot, it will not be recognized. |
| 23:16.36 | RobotGuy | This is not going to work on a robot. |
| 23:17.18 | RobotGuy | Is there a problem with USB on the Hammer (driver?) or within the kernel? |
| 23:18.24 | solar | RobotGuy: it's there. You just need to fdisk -l /dev/sdX1 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 23:18.47 | solar | I ran into it a few times. But it's there. You just have to wait to the scsi busses settle down |
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