| 01:19.13 | solar | RobotGuy: Did you edit mkfs and add -x lzo ? |
| 01:19.42 | solar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.48 | RobotGuy | solar: I added -X lzo |
| 01:20.03 | RobotGuy | it just segfaults |
| 01:20.33 | solar | hrmm. works here exit code 0 |
| 01:20.53 | solar | using sys-fs/mtd-utils-20080102 |
| 01:21.39 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm. |
| 01:23.37 | RobotGuy | solar: I can't get it to build. |
| 01:26.40 | solar | I'll dig up an x86 box later and see if I can make ya a static elf |
| 01:27.02 | solar | not now. must fix onw stuff |
| 01:27.05 | solar | own |
| 01:30.26 | ds2 | one alternative is to setup jffs2 + MTDRAM on the x86 side and use that |
| 03:06.37 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 03:07.14 | RobotGuy | ds2: Why would I need that on the host side? |
| 03:37.05 | ds2 | RobotGuy: alternative way of creating a JFFS2 image |
| 03:37.56 | ds2 | oops |
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| 07:25.18 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
| 07:35.17 | RobotGuy | aloh |
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| 08:21.04 | solar | Any semi irda guru's about? |
| 08:22.55 | solar | wonders if irda receiver's are limited to a given irda remote or if the receiver can possiably read codes from other remotes if mapped properly. |
| 08:37.52 | RobotGuy | solar: They are distinguished by the frequency they are modulated at. A common frequency is 38 kHz. |
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| 08:43.12 | RobotGuy | solar: Here is info on the one I have: http://www.usbuirt.com/ |
| 08:43.28 | RobotGuy | It can handle up to three different IR devices. |
| 08:44.57 | RobotGuy | The usb-uirt can indeed learn from other remotes and retransmit those codes to devices. |
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| 09:05.43 | RobotGuy | solar: ping |
| 09:06.08 | solar | ok. so if my brand.A computer case has a built in ir port. In theory I could walk up to it and use a brand.A + brand.[B-F,0-8] remotes with it? |
| 09:09.20 | RobotGuy | solar: Possibly, yes, in theory. |
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| 09:10.02 | RobotGuy | solar: In other news, I believe I am on the track of how to make the Python distutils cross compile. :D |
| 09:11.59 | solar | RobotGuy: when you have a patch please submit it. |
| 09:12.12 | solar | RobotGuy: also a rule of thumb. Look at OE |
| 09:12.12 | RobotGuy | solar: Oh, I will! :D |
| 09:12.33 | RobotGuy | OE makes my head hurt. |
| 09:12.34 | solar | they have lots of neat things that are python based that cross compile |
| 09:12.41 | solar | yeah it might |
| 09:12.41 | RobotGuy | I will look. |
| 09:12.51 | solar | but you can still glean lots of useful info |
| 09:12.59 | solar | you don't actually need to build it. |
| 09:13.10 | RobotGuy | Yes, no doubt. I'll take a look. |
| 09:13.11 | solar | vs just google it + packages dir. Then look at the .bb file |
| 09:13.39 | solar | also I look at T2 for fixes. |
| 09:13.46 | RobotGuy | T2? |
| 09:13.56 | solar | rarely will I ever find anything in the mess known as LFS |
| 09:14.10 | RobotGuy | I've done LFS/BLFS, but not recently. |
| 09:14.29 | solar | T2 is a distro. Source based kinda like gentoo. But a tad less polished. |
| 09:14.40 | RobotGuy | Ahhh. |
| 09:15.46 | RobotGuy | This is scary.. If I succeed in getting a patch to Python distutils for cross compiling it might mean I am a Gentoo developer. |
| 09:15.51 | RobotGuy | (of sorts) |
| 09:16.17 | solar | well |
| 09:17.21 | solar | it's an open community. All are welcome. (unless you are a turd to begin with) |
| 09:17.57 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 09:18.44 | RobotGuy | I've already started creating a Python class for cross compiling based on an existing class. |
| 09:19.41 | solar | http://wiki.openembedded.net/repo/org.openembedded.dreambox/packages/python/python-pysqlite/no-host-includes.patch |
| 09:19.48 | RobotGuy | I could probably just hack it, but I would prefer to do it right. In the end, I may be able to integrate my changes into the existing unixccompiler class. |
| 09:19.52 | solar | where ever that patch lives now might help ya |
| 09:25.19 | RobotGuy | I am looking for it, but it doesn't seem to exist under that name now. |
| 09:26.44 | solar | RobotGuy: how do you fake a key press? |
| 09:27.11 | RobotGuy | solar: Just put the key you want to press into the keyboard buffer. |
| 09:27.13 | solar | anything I can fd = open() ; write(fewbytes,...); ? |
| 09:27.29 | RobotGuy | You will probably have to increment the buffer pointer too. |
| 09:27.35 | solar | eh? |
| 09:27.52 | RobotGuy | You need to find where the keyboard input buffer is stored. |
| 09:27.55 | solar | I want to make the "OK" button on my remote to <enter> |
| 09:28.43 | RobotGuy | Ahhh, that is a bit different. There are unique codes associated with each key on a given remote. These are usually quite long hex sequences. |
| 09:29.04 | solar | yes |
| 09:29.07 | RobotGuy | lirc should be able to show you the code for a key you press. |
| 09:29.14 | solar | but that does not matter. I got all that figured out. |
| 09:29.23 | RobotGuy | Oh, OK. |
| 09:29.27 | RobotGuy | Show off. :P |
| 09:29.31 | solar | bypassed lircd and hacked up my own code. Works pretty well. |
| 09:29.55 | RobotGuy | You are already way ahead of me then. |
| 09:31.10 | solar | but what I'm after is probably quite simple |
| 09:32.19 | solar | ie.. to be able to run /usr/local/bin/key_press 0xHEX |
| 09:32.34 | RobotGuy | Then all you do when you receieve that code from the remote is stuff the keyboard buffer with your chosen sequence and increment the input buffer pointer. |
| 09:32.39 | solar | and have my input driver see that |
| 09:32.56 | solar | the irda stuff I got figured out. |
| 09:33.08 | solar | it's the simple keypress that I want to fake |
| 09:33.48 | RobotGuy | I understand. That's why you have to locate the keyboard input buffer and keyboard input buffer pointer. |
| 09:34.10 | solar | thats really vauge. |
| 09:34.19 | RobotGuy | it's like buffer[bufferptr++] = key |
| 09:34.20 | solar | at what level? kernel? userland? |
| 09:34.37 | RobotGuy | It should be userland. |
| 09:34.55 | solar | I think I'll revisit this topic another time :) |
| 09:35.11 | RobotGuy | I guess I am not helping, sorry. |
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| 09:38.27 | RobotGuy | methril: Hi |
| 09:38.34 | methril | hi |
| 09:38.39 | methril | yo yo |
| 09:38.42 | methril | :) |
| 09:38.43 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 09:39.04 | RobotGuy | I am sitting here and sweating. :( |
| 09:39.19 | RobotGuy | No real air circulation in my apartment. |
| 09:39.24 | methril | uf!! |
| 09:39.35 | methril | i know it, i have the same in my apartment |
| 09:39.44 | RobotGuy | Wow, OSCON is next week. |
| 09:40.14 | methril | are you going to OSCON= |
| 09:40.15 | methril | ? |
| 09:41.32 | methril | you are lucky, i'm far far from Portland :) |
| 09:45.05 | RobotGuy | Why am I lucky you are far from Portland? |
| 09:46.18 | methril | sorry for the expression, 2 phrases |
| 09:46.40 | methril | you are lucky (i tough you were going to the OSCON) |
| 09:46.43 | RobotGuy | methril: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/home |
| 09:46.47 | methril | and i'm far from portland |
| 09:46.52 | RobotGuy | I am going to OSCON |
| 09:47.05 | RobotGuy | I live about 20 miles or so from Portland |
| 09:47.10 | methril | yes, i was looking |
| 09:47.29 | RobotGuy | I understand what you meant now. :D |
| 09:47.38 | RobotGuy | Sorry for being dense. |
| 09:47.41 | methril | i'm a litle bit "out" |
| 09:47.46 | methril | i'm dense too |
| 09:47.50 | methril | don't worry |
| 09:48.21 | RobotGuy | Unfortunately, I won't have my robot operational then. |
| 09:49.12 | methril | what a pitty |
| 09:49.21 | methril | what kind of functionality are you giving to the robot? |
| 09:49.21 | RobotGuy | solar: Do you still want to see W.A.L.T.E.R.? |
| 09:50.06 | RobotGuy | Right now I'd be happy to just have it move around and avoid obstacles. That is the functionality I had for W.A.L.T.E.R. 1.0 |
| 09:50.43 | solar | what are you missing for that? |
| 09:51.14 | RobotGuy | As soon as I get my second nail kit, I am going to modify the board for use on my solderless breadboard. Then I can start some serious hardware protyping for W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 09:52.03 | RobotGuy | solar: I am missing some interface components, FETs, etc. Actually, I just need a Hammer-RDP board as soon as prototypes are available. |
| 09:52.13 | RobotGuy | It will have everything I need. |
| 09:52.24 | solar | heh |
| 09:52.26 | RobotGuy | I've helped design it. :) |
| 09:53.25 | RobotGuy | I need some 2N7000 FETs for level shifting, if I don't have a Hammer-RDP. |
| 09:53.56 | methril | do you have some "advances" of your prototyping? |
| 09:54.04 | methril | looks interesting |
| 09:54.25 | RobotGuy | methril: It's all in my head at present. |
| 09:54.41 | RobotGuy | Not necessarily the best place to keep things. ;) |
| 09:54.48 | methril | not allways |
| 09:54.59 | methril | i forget some of the ideas that i have |
| 09:55.01 | methril | hehehe |
| 09:55.05 | RobotGuy | methril: http://www.thedynaplex.org/robotics/rovers/walter |
| 09:56.10 | methril | well, you have a lot of work done :) |
| 09:56.24 | RobotGuy | And much, MUCH, work yet to do. :D |
| 09:56.26 | methril | your head is conected to Internet?? ;) |
| 09:56.44 | RobotGuy | methril: Ummm, no. I think that would not be a good thing. :P |
| 09:57.04 | RobotGuy | However, I wish I could download the stuff solar knows. :) |
| 09:57.41 | methril | hehe |
| 09:58.02 | RobotGuy | I am really beginning to appreciate the Open Source ideas now, and how each individual can contribute valuable stuff. |
| 09:58.49 | methril | yes, is the best of opensource |
| 09:59.02 | methril | so different minds and points of view contributing and discussing |
| 09:59.22 | methril | this is the way to improve the things :D |
| 09:59.49 | RobotGuy | Yes, indeed! :D I am enjoying it even more since I got re-involved with Gentoo, at a deeper level than just as a user. |
| 10:00.05 | methril | i try gentoo some years ago |
| 10:00.22 | methril | now i'm so lazy to compile almost everything :) |
| 10:00.45 | RobotGuy | I still have to get my sound working in Gentoo, but otherwise I have it setup quite nicely - with both GNOME and KDE. |
| 10:01.25 | methril | now i'm using debian at job |
| 10:01.27 | RobotGuy | solar has helped a LOT with getting me back up to speed with Gentoo. I've even been hacking at his scripts. :D |
| 10:01.31 | methril | and ubuntu |
| 10:02.39 | methril | and how many machines do you have? Because it's boring waiting to get compiled kde or gnome if you can not do other things |
| 10:03.03 | RobotGuy | I have two machines at present, but both are very underpowered for what I really need. |
| 10:03.22 | methril | hehehe |
| 10:03.41 | methril | we said the same when the machines has more than one year |
| 10:03.59 | RobotGuy | Mine are both over 5 years old. |
| 10:04.08 | methril | if have more power, i use more power |
| 10:04.28 | RobotGuy | I will always push my machines beyond what they should be used to do. |
| 10:04.36 | methril | well, i have one older than that in my father's city |
| 10:05.57 | methril | and i get desperate when i do something on it |
| 10:06.37 | RobotGuy | I notice there are a LOT of tests dirs in the /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages dir - usually one for each package. |
| 10:07.04 | RobotGuy | thinks and considers.. Another mod to a solar script in the works.. |
| 10:07.28 | RobotGuy | Actually, a mod to a mod I already did. :) |
| 10:10.23 | RobotGuy | just joined another mail list. |
| 10:12.58 | RobotGuy | I need to get a couple ceiling fans for my apartment. |
| 10:25.28 | RobotGuy | Well, g'night - am going to try and get some more sleep. |
| 10:25.57 | RobotGuy-AFK | is away: Taking a cat nap.. |
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| 13:47.58 | RobotGuy | Good morning |
| 14:08.04 | chouimat|work | hi |
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| 14:26.48 | CosmicPenguin | "just increment the major version |
| 14:26.48 | CosmicPenguin | every decade, the middle version every year, and the minor version every |
| 14:26.49 | CosmicPenguin | time we make a release." |
| 14:26.54 | CosmicPenguin | Linus on the LKML |
| 14:26.56 | CosmicPenguin | I sort of like that |
| 14:27.11 | CosmicPenguin | better then his other option, "2008.7" |
| 14:28.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:29.11 | CosmicPenguin | how are things? |
| 14:31.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not too bad, trying to finish up on this cardswipe driver |
| 14:31.37 | CosmicPenguin | always fun to write new drivers |
| 14:31.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: data is there, but not showing up on the device not when being read |
| 14:31.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 14:32.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: getting it up and running now, then tweak it so i can submite it to mainline |
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| 14:34.58 | CosmicPenguin | better hurry |
| 14:37.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not in a hurry, i know the widow is tight |
| 14:44.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm can't figure why the data isn't being routed to the device node |
| 14:44.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the read is getting called |
| 14:45.52 | CosmicPenguin | between userspace and the kernel, you mean? |
| 14:49.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 14:49.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cat /dev/intellihead |
| 14:49.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't produce anything |
| 14:50.03 | CosmicPenguin | is your read function returning the number of bytes to read? |
| 14:50.36 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:50.48 | CosmicPenguin | is cat waiting or returning immediately? |
| 14:52.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: waiting i see the read call, and the copy_to_user being called, but no output |
| 14:52.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: must be a data format issue |
| 14:53.37 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - interesting |
| 14:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | write your own cat |
| 14:54.12 | CosmicPenguin | see if the bytes are getting passed |
| 14:55.16 | prpplague | i'm only using a lf and the end of the line, wonder if i need to add a cr as well for cat to show it |
| 14:56.08 | CosmicPenguin | cat might be buffering it, I dunno |
| 14:56.17 | CosmicPenguin | like I said, if you do your own cat, then you can avoid that |
| 14:58.27 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:58.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just like to know it works properly with standard functions |
| 15:00.08 | CosmicPenguin | you will |
| 15:00.20 | CosmicPenguin | but you shouldn't trust those other tools |
| 15:02.52 | prpplague | yea, i see your point |
| 15:08.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea the copy_to_user is failing |
| 15:08.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its returning 0 |
| 15:08.55 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 15:08.59 | CosmicPenguin | interesting |
| 15:25.11 | MothaWork | doesn't copy_to_user return 0 upon successs? |
| 15:25.43 | MothaWork | IIRC, it returns the number of bytes which could not be copied |
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| 15:27.55 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, I believe that is right - 0 is success |
| 15:28.41 | MothaWork | I seem to recall banging my head against that for several minutes before figuring that out |
| 15:28.54 | MothaWork | it does not behave like memcpy, basically |
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| 15:40.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh ok, i was thinking it returned the number of bytes |
| 15:51.06 | prpplague | can't figure out whats wrong with this |
| 15:51.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: everything "looks" ok |
| 15:52.14 | CosmicPenguin | is the copy to user working better now? |
| 15:52.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea its report a value 0, my if statement was incorrect |
| 15:52.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i'm still not getting any data on the user side |
| 15:54.46 | CosmicPenguin | is the read() returning? |
| 15:54.53 | prpplague | yep |
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| 15:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | it is returning the right number of bytes? |
| 15:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | did you mess up the buffer math in the copy to user? |
| 16:04.19 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 16:05.10 | kergoth`work | any busybox experts happen to run into this hokey test behavior? http://pastey.net/91324 |
| 16:07.46 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
| 16:11.59 | kergoth`work | customer hit it, guess i'm gonna have to wade into the test parsing code |
| 16:12.26 | kergoth`work | i'm curious about what swallowed the closing paren on the last one there |
| 16:12.28 | kergoth`work | thats odd |
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| 16:41.26 | kergoth`work | any of you guys mess with the 'awesome' window manager? |
| 16:41.52 | mnemoc | url? |
| 16:42.08 | kergoth`work | http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
| 16:50.09 | mnemoc | uh, lua |
| 16:50.38 | mnemoc | i think i'll try it :p |
| 16:50.46 | mnemoc | kergoth`work: thank :) |
| 16:50.47 | mnemoc | +s |
| 16:53.17 | MothaWork | kergoth`work: looks like a slim version of what I use FVWM for |
| 16:54.24 | kergoth`work | i'm really liking it.. used to use ion, but this is a lot smarter about the creation of the tiles.. it doesnt support multiple windows tabbed within a single tile though, like ion, but it has this interesting notion of a "Master" window.. its the window you're mainly working in right now. when you open a new gvim, it opens there, and what was there shifts to a smaller window (where depends on which layout you're using) |
| 16:54.47 | kergoth`work | took a bit of getting used to, but i don't even think about it anymore.. and you can still have floating workspaces for browsers and crap, and write rules to send those windows to it always |
| 16:55.38 | MothaWork | again, sounds like how I have FVWM set up |
| 16:55.47 | MothaWork | which, incidentally, is the reason I'm (still?) using FVWM |
| 16:55.52 | MothaWork | I can specify behavior like that |
| 16:56.04 | kergoth`work | ah, nice |
| 16:56.12 | MothaWork | it's butt ugly (mostly because I haven't bothered to theme it), but it can be configured to do exactly what I want |
| 16:56.33 | kergoth`work | the current git trunk of awesome uses lua for the config <3 |
| 16:56.34 | MothaWork | but, FVWM is a bit large for embedded use |
| 16:56.57 | MothaWork | yeah, FVWM has this weird language they invented |
| 16:57.06 | MothaWork | it's functional, but not standard |
| 16:57.12 | MothaWork | though I do believe you can script things with perl |
| 16:59.26 | CosmicPenguin | thats silly talk |
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| 17:35.34 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: That looks interesting.. |
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| 17:47.41 | ds2 | morning |
| 17:47.53 | ds2 | makes a note to not drink expressos again |
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| 17:59.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry for the delay |
| 17:59.21 | CosmicPenguin | You were gone? :p |
| 17:59.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not sure what math you are refering to inside the copy_to_user() |
| 17:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | the buffer that you are returning to the user |
| 17:59.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, had to run my mother-in-law to the airport |
| 18:00.23 | CosmicPenguin | If the read is successful, and the right nubmer of bytes are returned, then the other reason why the correct data isn't being returned is that you you are copying to some offset of the buffer |
| 18:00.32 | CosmicPenguin | possibly |
| 18:01.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i was using the same examples for the other misc devices, i'll look to see if there is an offset issue |
| 18:04.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm guessing its an offset issue |
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| 18:10.54 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:10.59 | prpplague | i just don't get it |
| 18:12.50 | ds2 | ??? |
| 18:14.12 | prpplague | ds2: copy_to_user() not working as i would expect |
| 18:14.18 | ds2 | ah |
| 18:19.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If I had a display for my Hammer, could I just connect a USB keyboard and have a complete portable system? |
| 18:19.40 | prpplague | in theory yea |
| 18:19.41 | ds2 | RobotGuy: yep |
| 18:20.02 | ds2 | since USB ep's are a rare resource, a serial keyboard might be better |
| 18:21.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Say, something like http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8490 for instance. |
| 18:21.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea you can run that but only with 8-bit color |
| 18:22.24 | RobotGuy | Could I theoretically run a frame buffer and use fbdev or maybe xdirectfb? |
| 18:22.35 | RobotGuy | 8 bit color is fine. |
| 18:23.55 | RobotGuy | ds2: USB is fine. I won't be using more than a total of four USB endpoints as far as I can tell. |
| 18:24.36 | RobotGuy | USB Thumb Drive, USB WiFi, maybe USB keyboard, and one left over for something else. |
| 18:24.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yep |
| 18:25.01 | prpplague | all doable |
| 18:25.52 | RobotGuy | I can see possibly a USB mouse or trackball also to have a complete system that is very portable. |
| 18:26.07 | ds2 | slightly cheaper LCD: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3217 |
| 18:29.47 | RobotGuy | I've played with a PSP a bit, and it does have a very nice display. |
| 18:30.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Would that work with hammer at 8 bit color? |
| 18:30.30 | RobotGuy | Would it need a special frame buffer device driver? |
| 18:30.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just a hack to the existing one |
| 18:31.03 | MothaWork | ah, those things |
| 18:31.13 | MothaWork | apparently decent screens, but very picky about power-on sequence |
| 18:31.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What kind of hack? Easy to do? |
| 18:31.36 | RobotGuy | Or would the SFE part be better to go with? |
| 18:31.40 | prpplague | you have to merger 32-bit data into 8-bit on a single channel |
| 18:33.09 | RobotGuy | I imagine that wouldn't be that easy to do. I really don't want to do kernel driver stuff. |
| 18:34.24 | RobotGuy | Just thinking about kernel stuff makes my head hurt. |
| 18:35.53 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 18:36.01 | ds2 | kernel good, userland bad ;) |
| 18:37.50 | RobotGuy | ds2: Go back to sleep.. :P |
| 18:38.29 | ds2 | RobotGuy: sorry. the expresso from yesterday took effect at night |
| 18:40.28 | RobotGuy | Are there any decent color displays that would work with hammer stock, with no software hacking required? |
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| 18:43.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: all will require software hacking |
| 18:44.13 | RobotGuy | I'll just forget the color display thing then. |
| 18:45.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hammer was intended for hacking |
| 18:45.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, looks like the size_t is looking for 8192 bytes and i'm only stuffing it with 102 |
| 18:46.02 | MothaWork | if you aren't dealing with spinlocks, you're not working in the right place :) |
| 18:46.15 | ds2 | I suppose the Nokia I2C LCD could be driven entirely from userspace |
| 18:46.16 | prpplague | MothaWork: ?? |
| 18:46.41 | MothaWork | prpplague: I'm saying that I prefer to work low level when it comes to software |
| 18:46.48 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:47.04 | MothaWork | basically, if I'm hacking stuff on Linux, it probably involves spinlocks, which tends to imply that you're reasonably low level as you are in a situation where you can't block |
| 18:47.12 | MothaWork | s/block/sleep |
| 18:47.44 | ds2 | MothaWork: now make it more fun... throw in some SMP and the Preempt_RT patch ;) |
| 18:47.50 | MothaWork | and it's OK to have a "read" fop provide less data than the user asked for |
| 18:48.13 | MothaWork | if there's only 100 bytes available, but the user asked for 8192, it's OK to only provide 100, rather than blocking until you get all 8192 |
| 18:48.19 | MothaWork | that is in fact normal behavior |
| 18:48.26 | MothaWork | ds2: heh, indeed |
| 18:48.51 | ds2 | nothing wrong with blocking the caller til 8192 is available |
| 18:49.08 | ds2 | just yeild to the scheduler |
| 18:49.12 | MothaWork | ds2: no, that's also acceptable, but it's also fine to return with only 100 bytes or whatever |
| 18:49.20 | MothaWork | the semantics of the read call permit either |
| 18:49.32 | ds2 | right and it depends on what your driver is trying to do |
| 18:49.37 | MothaWork | kinda depends on what you anticipate |
| 18:49.42 | ds2 | like urandom vs random |
| 18:49.42 | prpplague | mainly testing with stuff like cat |
| 18:49.51 | MothaWork | well, cat will always ask for 8192 |
| 18:49.54 | prpplague | cat seems to block |
| 18:49.56 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:50.05 | MothaWork | cat is also fine with only getting back a single byte |
| 18:50.10 | MothaWork | it'll then ask for 8192 more |
| 18:50.13 | prpplague | MothaWork: hmm |
| 18:50.13 | ds2 | use dd if you want to control the request size |
| 18:51.24 | ds2 | prpplague: is this still the mag reader? |
| 18:51.33 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 18:51.44 | ds2 | prpplague: why not make it appear as a keyboard? |
| 18:51.52 | prpplague | ~lart ds2 |
| 18:51.52 | purl | calls ds2 on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 18:52.11 | ds2 | was that discussed? |
| 18:52.16 | prpplague | ds2: then people can open a text editor and collect card info |
| 18:52.24 | MothaWork | yah... |
| 18:52.40 | MothaWork | but if people have that level of access, why can they not just run an app that talks your API |
| 18:52.46 | MothaWork | i.e. cat /dev/cardreader |
| 18:52.50 | ds2 | yes but there seems to be a lot of shims around to make card reader, bar code reader, etc appear as a keyboard |
| 18:52.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Display hacking is not the kind of hacking I care to do. |
| 18:53.45 | ds2 | collecting the card info is a pretty trivial exercise and if it is physically compromised, you are hosed anyways |
| 18:54.39 | MothaWork | the commercial USB card readers I have all just show up as keyboards |
| 18:54.39 | ds2 | off the top of my head, you can read it with a $1 part or you can use the iron filings method, or you get buy an older reader on the surplus market |
| 18:54.55 | MothaWork | I picked them up for $1 each on ebay |
| 18:54.56 | ds2 | <-- built a reader with a $1 head + HC11 |
| 18:55.04 | ds2 | heh |
| 18:55.14 | MothaWork | well, $2 after shipping |
| 18:55.14 | prpplague | ds2: yea just because its not very difficult, doesn't mean we have to make it easier |
| 18:56.16 | ds2 | prpplague: *shrug* your choice; shims to make it appears a keyboard almost seemed like a defacto thing back when I was researching it |
| 18:56.50 | prpplague | ds2: thats usually for adding legacy devices to something like a pc |
| 18:57.08 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 18:57.22 | ds2 | I did the research so I can build the reader and that was in '95 |
| 18:59.53 | prpplague | not sure why cat isn't reporting the data though |
| 19:00.11 | ds2 | does strace show read returning? |
| 19:02.37 | prpplague | ds2: yea the read returns |
| 19:02.55 | prpplague | ds2: and the data is present when just reading the char device, i.e. with dd |
| 19:03.06 | ds2 | oh it works with dd |
| 19:03.17 | ds2 | Hmmm I have seen odd behavior with cat that I can't explain |
| 19:03.57 | ds2 | it may be cat is using printf type output and the TTY mode is forcing it to wait til it see a \n before showing it? |
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| 19:04.10 | prpplague | ahh, yea, it then asks for the rest of the data, i need to shove a check in for EOF |
| 19:04.18 | ds2 | or send a EOL |
| 19:06.16 | prpplague | ds2: cr/lf doesn't seem to do anything |
| 19:06.34 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 19:07.11 | ds2 | wonder if it helps if you did something like (stty raw; cat /dev/foo; stty sane) |
| 19:07.46 | kergoth`work | are any of you able to get to http://www.savingtoinvest.com/ ? when i go there, it redirects me to robots.txt... using ff3 in linux, tried overriding the user agent to ff3 xp and stuff too :| |
| 19:08.04 | prpplague | tries |
| 19:08.06 | ds2 | kergoth: works fine for me |
| 19:08.21 | ds2 | maybe your IP is blacklisted as a bot? |
| 19:08.27 | dfarnsworth | kergoth`work: works fine for me too |
| 19:08.33 | kergoth`work | bah |
| 19:08.37 | kergoth`work | bastards |
| 19:08.37 | prpplague | works here |
| 19:09.25 | prpplague | ds2: EOF seems to work properly |
| 19:13.35 | prpplague | ds2: EOF seems to be what it is looking for |
| 19:13.56 | ds2 | prpplague: but that prevents you from reading out multiple cards, right? |
| 19:13.57 | prpplague | ds2: EOF causes cat to dump the data and start fresh |
| 19:14.16 | ds2 | btw, are you doing cat < /dev/foo or "cat /dev/foo"? |
| 19:14.24 | prpplague | ds2: doesn't seem so |
| 19:14.29 | prpplague | ds2: cat /dev/foo |
| 19:14.44 | ds2 | odd but if it works *shrug* |
| 19:15.03 | ds2 | I do agree that I have seen stuff like this but I switch over to dd |
| 19:15.23 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i've added a check |
| 19:16.04 | prpplague | ds2: if the requested count matches what the data size is continue on, but if the count is larger then provide a EOF when the data is done |
| 19:18.05 | ds2 | makes a note of that |
| 19:19.08 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: I can get to that site just fine. |
| 19:20.30 | kergoth`work | guess they blocked montavista |
| 19:20.31 | kergoth`work | weird |
| 19:20.42 | ds2 | uh no |
| 19:20.43 | kergoth`work | probably a bit too wide on the subnet :P |
| 19:21.05 | prpplague | kergoth`work: they figure if you are working at MV you don't have enough money to worry them about |
| 19:21.12 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 19:21.15 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:21.26 | kergoth`work | i've spent a lot of time lately trying to get my finances sorted, have like 10 fiscal blogs on my reader now |
| 19:21.41 | ds2 | kergoth`work: works in SC |
| 19:22.36 | prpplague | kergoth`work: i have a wife and two kids, my financies are always fscked |
| 19:23.16 | kergoth`work | heh, i bet |
| 19:23.22 | kergoth`work | its just me, my gf, and the dog |
| 19:23.59 | kergoth`work | http://picasaweb.google.com/kergoth/Smokey |
| 19:24.10 | kergoth`work | meh, not nearly as focused today as i was yesterday.. still better than last week though |
| 19:24.16 | kergoth`work | eats a sammich |
| 19:40.03 | solar | If I wanted to fake keyboard input from scripts I can write directly to /dev/input/event* ? |
| 19:42.27 | kergoth`work | hmm not sure, i know you can do it with uinput via code, dunno about scripts though |
| 19:42.31 | cbrake | is liking graphviz |
| 19:47.33 | solar | ahh perfect. It looks like that's exactly how I could do it. Or even better just use this. http://www.digipedia.pl/man/acpi_fakekey.1.html |
| 19:51.50 | kergoth`work | ah nice :) |
| 19:52.09 | CosmicPenguin | that will do |
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| 20:41.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got the copy_to_user fixed |
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| 20:53.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh two little gems i found while fixing up this driver |
| 20:54.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 1) EE got the pinout on the connector is backwards, 2) the EE didn't provide a reset line on the reader, so it powers up in a bogus state |
| 21:06.06 | MothaWork | prpplague: this would seem to make things largely useless? |
| 21:06.24 | MothaWork | perhaps you guys should contract your hardware to us :) |
| 21:06.34 | MothaWork | at least then you'd be able to bug the hardware guy (me) in here |
| 21:08.10 | chouimat|work | prpplague: amazing ... unlimited prototype budget? |
| 21:08.20 | prpplague | chouimat|work: not by a long shot |
| 21:08.32 | prpplague | MothaWork: doubt that will happen |
| 21:08.41 | prpplague | MothaWork: this guy has all of the management fooled |
| 21:08.45 | chouimat|work | prpplague: what is he screwed up average? |
| 21:09.43 | prpplague | about 80% imho |
| 21:10.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ok so management is dumber than I thought :) |
| 21:10.36 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:10.53 | prpplague | and i'm not a team player since i'm complaining about it |
| 21:11.06 | chouimat|work | prpplague: sound like a government job ;) |
| 21:11.09 | MothaWork | prpplague: well, I have yet to build hardware that is just downright unusably broken |
| 21:11.32 | MothaWork | I'll admit to having done silly things like getting connectors backwards on rev. 1 hardware, but never in a manner that rendered it entirely unusable |
| 21:11.59 | ds2 | prpplague: the stuff you are talking about seems to be stuff that even 4th year BSEE candidates would have address |
| 21:12.03 | MothaWork | in fact, most of the errors I've ended up with have been trivially green-wirable due to my layout strategies |
| 21:12.26 | MothaWork | ds2: I think you vastly overestimate the abilities of most 4th yr BSEE candidates... |
| 21:12.41 | Crofton | we had a grad student who had all of the professors fooled |
| 21:12.42 | MothaWork | many that I knew had never even touched a real-world design |
| 21:12.45 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 21:13.11 | MothaWork | most had never touched a PCB layout program or even physically handled parts more complicated than 74LS... |
| 21:13.18 | prpplague | MothaWork: whats worse is the core portion of the board was contracted out, all this guy has to do is add all the connectors |
| 21:13.29 | MothaWork | lots of theoretical knowledge in there, which is fine, but nothing practical |
| 21:13.30 | chouimat|work | is appy to have a BSc.A es Informatique de genie (software engineering) |
| 21:13.56 | MothaWork | prpplague: that's pretty sad |
| 21:14.22 | chouimat|work | prpplague: this is even worse |
| 21:14.43 | ds2 | MothaWork: fair enough... depends on school |
| 21:15.07 | MothaWork | ds2: in fact, I think if you asked many (though not necessarily most) of my fellow 4th year students what purpose a bypass capacitor served, they'd just shrug and nod no |
| 21:15.21 | MothaWork | ds2: this was at a pretty darned good school |
| 21:15.32 | ds2 | MothaWork: heh... building a board with bypass caps was a 2nd year thing for us |
| 21:15.39 | MothaWork | they did a great job on fundamentals and theoreticals, but I don't think there was enough required application |
| 21:15.39 | ds2 | of course, it was a WW design |
| 21:16.11 | MothaWork | ds2: all our stuff was on breadboards. People always looked at me crazy when I put things like bypass caps on it |
| 21:16.35 | MothaWork | then again, mine tended to work reliably the first time (possibly with minor debugging inherent in point-to-point designs that are hand-crafted like that) |
| 21:16.50 | MothaWork | heck, I built RF stuff on breadboards that worked acceptably |
| 21:16.56 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 21:17.17 | MothaWork | hey, 3MHz is RF :) |
| 21:17.26 | chouimat|work | =) |
| 21:17.54 | MothaWork | I built a 80m amateur transmitter on a breadboard. Worked great. I even hooked it up to our spectrum analyzer and confirmed that it met all emissions guidelines |
| 21:18.04 | MothaWork | at least as far as what showed up on the antenna connector |
| 21:18.05 | ds2 | MothaWork: our instructor was familiar with actual circuits... apparently, he wasn't a full prof |
| 21:18.22 | MothaWork | oh, the instructors were familiar with actual circuits |
| 21:18.35 | ds2 | this guy would come into the lab at 6AM to help people and point on things like missing caps, etc |
| 21:18.37 | MothaWork | if somebody had an op-amp circuit oscillating they could readily explain what was going on |
| 21:18.43 | MothaWork | and would in fact do so, if you let them |
| 21:18.54 | ds2 | this is also the guy that taught us how to sample parts ;) |
| 21:18.54 | MothaWork | but I don't think many people internalized those small lessons |
| 21:19.18 | MothaWork | most people seemed to see lab work as stuff that needed to get done to get the grade, not as something that involved little side-lessons on the "real world" along the way |
| 21:19.40 | MothaWork | that's not to say there weren't people who had plenty of application type knowledge. I knew several |
| 21:19.58 | ds2 | yeah, I know people who were like that... complain about having to do an actual project to finish the degree |
| 21:20.07 | MothaWork | there were, however, plenty who wouldn't be able to put together a little 8-bit based microcomputer to save their life |
| 21:20.15 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: the EE prof, I got in the few electronic classes I had to do, was so bad that he was forbidden of teaching studing in EE/CE but he was ok for all the others Engineering programs |
| 21:20.29 | chouimat|work | s/tuding/students |
| 21:20.38 | MothaWork | chouimat|away: ouch |
| 21:21.02 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: I still have to reread the books when I find the time |
| 21:21.18 | ds2 | regardless, things like bypass cap come at you like a boulder during your first job |
| 21:21.28 | MothaWork | chouimat|away: it's OK to consult references |
| 21:21.36 | MothaWork | not even knowing what references to consider speaks, though |
| 21:21.39 | prpplague | yea, this guy does schematics like freshman |
| 21:21.47 | MothaWork | prpplague: are they even readable? |
| 21:22.02 | prpplague | barely |
| 21:22.02 | MothaWork | I lay my schematics out so that they actually serve as useful reference documents |
| 21:22.09 | MothaWork | some people just make them "electrically correct" |
| 21:22.46 | prpplague | thats this guy |
| 21:24.04 | MothaWork | hum, let me see if I have any schematics I can show you |
| 21:24.36 | chouimat|work | ok bbl |
| 21:24.42 | prpplague | i'm totally swampped at the moment |
| 21:25.15 | MothaWork | whatever |
| 21:25.21 | MothaWork | and god damn verizon apparently blocks port 80 |
| 21:25.34 | MothaWork | I'd pay them for the "business" service if they offered it |
| 21:25.42 | MothaWork | if you ask, they say "fios is not available at that location" |
| 21:25.51 | MothaWork | despite the fact that I have it already, just residential |
| 21:26.08 | MothaWork | but they will HAPPILY sell you a T1 (at 100x the price) instead |
| 21:26.12 | ds2 | can you buy it through a reseller? |
| 21:26.22 | ds2 | a T1 is a specially tarrifed service |
| 21:26.30 | MothaWork | 100x the price of fios |
| 21:27.06 | MothaWork | well, I guess it's only about 5-10x the price of business fios |
| 21:27.10 | ds2 | but a T1 implies a lot of other service guarantee that isn't available for stuff like fios or dsl even though it maybe carried through them |
| 21:27.11 | MothaWork | i.e. $500-600/mo |
| 21:27.18 | MothaWork | ds2: I'm aware |
| 21:27.21 | MothaWork | I also don't need those |
| 21:27.28 | MothaWork | nor do most people they sell T1s to for internet access |
| 21:27.31 | ds2 | also, you can order a T1 anywhere and they ahve to sell you it |
| 21:27.34 | MothaWork | yes |
| 21:27.48 | MothaWork | I just want unfiltered internet access |
| 21:28.01 | ds2 | *nod* check to see if there is a reseller |
| 21:28.21 | ds2 | I am using a SBC line but I work with a reseller and they are not as draconian on their ToS as SBC |
| 21:28.57 | MothaWork | well, the issue is that I want the fios speed and price |
| 21:29.08 | MothaWork | they advertise it on the internet, but it is available nowhere in the area |
| 21:29.40 | MothaWork | residential fios is of course available, but if you inquire about business fios, the same person who just gave you a quote on the residential service will inform you that "fios is not available at that location" |
| 21:30.00 | MothaWork | I'm not willing to pay anything near the price for a T1 for home internet access |
| 21:30.10 | MothaWork | I'll just chuck my webserver on 8080 like everybody else |
| 21:30.58 | MothaWork | I wonder if they block 443 |
| 21:31.01 | MothaWork | that would be a simple solution |
| 21:32.15 | ds2 | heh |
| 21:33.58 | MothaWork | apparently they do not |
| 21:34.02 | MothaWork | so I will set up HTTPS :) |
| 21:34.27 | prpplague | any of you guys check datasheets(i.e.pdfs) into cvs/svn/git? |
| 21:34.51 | ds2 | tried it at once point but it didn't seem useful |
| 21:34.58 | ds2 | so now it just gets stashed in a folder |
| 21:36.22 | prpplague | ds2: i'm mainly using it so i have both the code and reference in the same place |
| 21:36.24 | MothaWork | prpplague: I try to |
| 21:36.30 | MothaWork | I've had it come in very handy |
| 21:36.45 | ds2 | prpplague: but those things generally don't change that often |
| 21:36.45 | MothaWork | I can see what my refernece was at the time the schematic rev was made (I have my schematics and layout in SVN, also) |
| 21:36.57 | MothaWork | also, I had one instance where the company NDA'd the datasheet |
| 21:37.14 | MothaWork | basically, they took the old datasheet (publicly available) and decided that a NDA was now required |
| 21:37.17 | prpplague | ds2: yea, its not really about the change, its about being able to locate the datasheet easily |
| 21:37.19 | MothaWork | fortunately, I had the old one in CVS |
| 21:37.33 | ds2 | I am not saying don't archive them; just saying CVS/GIT/etc isn't that helpful |
| 21:38.13 | prpplague | ds2: where would you archive them? |
| 21:38.27 | ds2 | prpplague: just a folder on a file server |
| 21:39.18 | MothaWork | I find it just as easy to chuck them in whatever version control the project is using |
| 21:39.27 | MothaWork | that way I know where they are, it gets backed up with everything else, etc. |
| 21:39.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, me too |
| 21:39.54 | MothaWork | anyway, I'm going home |
| 21:39.55 | prpplague | MothaWork: i often chunck in original source tarballs as well |
| 21:39.58 | prpplague | MothaWork: later |
| 21:40.24 | ds2 | I can see 2 problems with using a SCM with them - branching and efficency of storage |
| 21:40.33 | ds2 | cvs does not like handling large binary blobs |
| 21:41.52 | prpplague | ds2: yea, its not a completely efficient way of handling the documents, but on a smaller scale its works |
| 21:42.23 | ds2 | *nod* just beware of branching or if you don't branch much... |
| 21:42.44 | prpplague | we dont branch much |
| 21:43.09 | ds2 | heh... the rule of thumb for git seems to be when in doubt, branch! |
| 21:43.10 | prpplague | we do a build for product X and then when product Y comes along we do a build for it |
| 21:43.19 | prpplague | is not a git fan |
| 21:43.31 | ds2 | you don't do branch/tagging for each release? |
| 21:44.16 | ds2 | git + branching is great cuz I can patch til I am blue in my face and with 2 commands, roll back things to a known point |
| 21:44.58 | prpplague | ds2: mostly just tagging |
| 21:45.35 | prpplague | ds2: once we have a product stable and working, it rarely changes unless its a bug fix |
| 21:46.03 | ds2 | prpplague: gotca... the stuff I work on is a little less stable and there is more concurent development/fixing happening |
| 21:47.19 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
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| 21:49.01 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey |
| 21:49.34 | g1powermac | got the results back of his ultrasound today, and I do have gallstones :( |
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| 21:49.53 | solar | bummer |
| 21:50.12 | g1powermac | but at least I got a diagnosis, which is quite nice |
| 21:50.37 | prpplague | g1powermac: doh |
| 21:50.41 | g1powermac | has been in and out of doctor offices for the past four months and finally got an answer to one of the problems |
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| 21:58.00 | ce_geek | prpplague: Are we having fun yet? |
| 21:58.06 | prpplague | nope |
| 21:59.57 | g1powermac | prpplague, I wanted to ask you, did you ship my zipit express or ground? because if you did express, there might be something wrong as I haven't received it yet |
| 22:01.08 | prpplague | g1powermac: i sent it ground, but i'll check on it in the morning, personal shipments are secondary to business shipments of course, so the shipping girl might not have shipped it same day |
| 22:01.30 | g1powermac | k |
| 22:01.40 | g1powermac | just wanted to double check on that |
| 22:02.06 | RobotGuy | has been sifting through Python code today |
| 22:02.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea i know i've had it awhile, i appreciate you sending it to me to find the pinouts |
| 22:02.39 | g1powermac | prpplague, np, heck, I thank you for finding the pinouts :-) |
| 22:03.00 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, get this man, they finally found something! I got gallstones |
| 22:03.16 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Something that can actually be fixed! |
| 22:03.22 | g1powermac | yup |
| 22:03.31 | RobotGuy | That's definitely progress then! |
| 22:03.47 | g1powermac | though the surgical options scares me, at least I now have an answer to part of the problem |
| 22:04.15 | RobotGuy | Maybe fixing this will uproot the cause of other things and they can be dealt with then. |
| 22:04.36 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Are you good with display stuff? |
| 22:04.50 | g1powermac | sadly, thats a big maybe on that one, there's even a shot that it might make matters worse |
| 22:05.21 | g1powermac | at least 20% of people who get their gallbladders removed get more GI problems |
| 22:05.26 | RobotGuy | There is always some risk in any surgery. |
| 22:05.41 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: You will not be in that 20% |
| 22:06.12 | g1powermac | and with the odd way this presented (completely non standard symptoms for gallstones, at least some) it worries me |
| 22:06.41 | g1powermac | some of the symptoms I've been having should only occur after having your gallbladder removed |
| 22:06.57 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Well, you can't go on as you have been - got to do something, surelt=y. |
| 22:07.06 | g1powermac | yea, I know it |
| 22:07.20 | g1powermac | question truly becomes which route. . . |
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| 22:07.47 | g1powermac | surgery, no surgery, or maybe a drug that may help |
| 22:08.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: were you able to remember where you picked up reset on the z2 board? |
| 22:08.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: been too busy to look |
| 22:08.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me see |
| 22:08.26 | GPSFan | k. |
| 22:09.17 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Do you do display type hardware stuff? |
| 22:09.42 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, unfortunately, not really |
| 22:09.52 | g1powermac | I've only really played with char lcds |
| 22:10.08 | g1powermac | which reminds me, I should fire up those neat backlit char lcds I bought from prpplague. . . |
| 22:10.10 | RobotGuy | Durn |
| 22:11.57 | g1powermac | speaking of displays: http://www.hackaday.com/2008/07/15/sensesurface-custom-inputs-on-your-lcd-screen/ |
| 22:12.00 | g1powermac | that is really neat |
| 22:13.18 | RobotGuy | That's clever, and useful! |
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| 22:15.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, i might have mispoken, my current jtag jig doesn't have the nRESET connected |
| 22:15.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me pin out the nRESET and locate that in the morning |
| 22:16.17 | g1powermac | heh, I love this. . . |
| 22:16.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: hmm, that would be great, I assume you still have the way to trace out random signals. |
| 22:16.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:16.33 | g1powermac | ok, so I'm reading about the one drug that may help dissolve gallstones |
| 22:16.51 | g1powermac | and its basically a bile acid your body produces |
| 22:17.27 | g1powermac | but the funny part of the page thats describing it is that it says to tell your doctor if you're allergic to bile acids |
| 22:17.39 | g1powermac | if you're allergic to bile acids, you wouldn't be alive :-) |
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| 22:19.23 | kergoth`work | anyone else see odd characters in <-bip> ? |
| 22:19.25 | kergoth`work | hrm |
| 22:19.27 | kergoth`work | looks fine there.. |
| 22:19.33 | kergoth`work | i think my xchat-gnome is confused |
| 22:19.58 | ds2 | yes, you are sending CTRL-H's |
| 22:20.15 | kergoth`work | copied & pasted that out of the nick display in xchat-gnome in ubuntu hardy |
| 22:20.16 | kergoth`work | :P |
| 22:20.20 | ds2 | it shows up as ^H<^H-bip^H>^H |
| 22:20.20 | kergoth`work | switches to stock xchat |
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| 22:20.44 | g1powermac | isn't seeing ^Hs |
| 22:20.55 | ds2 | some versions use that for color and like |
| 22:21.02 | g1powermac | ahh |
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| 22:34.42 | RobotGuy | What's the airport code for Dallas/Fortworth? |
| 22:34.51 | RobotGuy | DFW? |
| 22:36.30 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, overcast and 93.2 degrees. |
| 22:36.39 | RobotGuy | Glad I'm not there. |
| 22:37.05 | g1powermac | 87 here |
| 22:37.13 | g1powermac | will be 93 here tomorrow |
| 22:37.44 | chouimat|away | 27 here tomorrow ;) |
| 22:37.47 | RobotGuy | 89.6 here |
| 22:39.07 | RobotGuy | I bet Dallas is way more humid though. |
| 22:45.01 | ds2 | RobotGuy: are you going to the Linux plumbers event? |
| 22:45.36 | RobotGuy | ds2: Maybe. It's not really for folks like me though. |
| 22:46.01 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 22:46.27 | RobotGuy | I don't have anything to do with kernel development and the 'plumbing' of Linux. |
| 22:46.34 | RobotGuy | Why? |
| 22:47.19 | CosmicPenguin | its not really about kernel development |
| 22:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | its about the interface between the kernel and the world |
| 22:48.30 | g1powermac | that'd be interesting to attend |
| 22:48.58 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I don't have anything to do with that either. |
| 22:50.15 | CosmicPenguin | do you use linux? |
| 22:50.47 | RobotGuy | Of course I do. |
| 22:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | then you clearly have something to do with that |
| 22:51.04 | CosmicPenguin | your USB issue seems to be related, no? |
| 22:51.29 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Hmmm, never thought of it that way. |
| 22:52.02 | RobotGuy | Then at least one PARTS member has a real bad understanding of what LPC is all about. |
| 22:52.03 | CosmicPenguin | How we interact with the kernel is a huge question |
| 22:52.18 | CosmicPenguin | HAL, udev, X, power management |
| 22:52.35 | CosmicPenguin | inputs present and future |
| 22:52.43 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I'm really trying hard to avoid another kernel thing. |
| 22:53.27 | RobotGuy | I wonder if hotplug would be worth trying. |
| 22:55.26 | solar | you are already using it in a way |
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| 23:02.53 | RobotGuy | OK, who turned out the lights this time? |
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