| 00:05.15 | wmat | RobotGuy: you have a blog? link? |
| 00:06.00 | RobotGuy | wmat: Yes, I have a blog. :) http://www.thedynaplex.info |
| 00:06.20 | wmat | not robotguy.net/blog? |
| 00:06.31 | RobotGuy | wmat: No, that is not me. |
| 00:07.08 | wmat | you're the first .info i've ever opened |
| 00:07.40 | RobotGuy | Wow. :) I also have http://www.hybotics.info |
| 00:08.01 | RobotGuy | I have a total of, I think, 13 domains now. |
| 00:18.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy wow, why? what do you do with them? |
| 00:18.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I use them for various things, some for testing stuff, some for real stuff. |
| 00:19.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have some domains local here, and others hosted outside. |
| 00:20.22 | RobotGuy | is starting to learn how to use git |
| 00:28.14 | RobotGuy | I have hybotics.net and thedynaplex.mobi hosted her on my server. |
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| 01:00.06 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* |
| 01:00.21 | g1powermac_PB | its been one of those days where nothing really goes 100% right |
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| 01:14.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I have been having a whole year like that. |
| 01:14.24 | RobotGuy | BUT, it is looking a bit brighter finally. |
| 01:29.23 | g1powermac_PB | yea, same here |
| 01:29.46 | g1powermac_PB | looks like I'll finally be getting my driver's license this week :-) |
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| 06:12.05 | methril | yo |
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| 07:22.48 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
| 07:25.24 | methril | hola |
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| 08:19.36 | methril | hi RobotGuy |
| 08:29.46 | RobotGuy | methril: Greetings |
| 08:30.03 | RobotGuy | How are you doing? |
| 08:30.39 | methril | i'm ok |
| 08:30.41 | methril | and you? |
| 08:30.58 | methril | you were at OSCON last week isn't it? |
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| 08:47.30 | RobotGuy | Yes, I was there. |
| 08:47.40 | RobotGuy | I'm doing alright. |
| 08:51.20 | RobotGuy | OSCON was cool. I don't usually get to go to conferences and shows like that. |
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| 11:38.45 | Madsy | Hooray for powerspikes lack of ground |
| 11:39.05 | Madsy | My laptop power adapter died during a power outage :\ |
| 11:39.18 | Madsy | I hope I didn't fry the machine as well |
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| 13:07.24 | mne | Hi. I'm using an AT91SAM9260 ARM9 cpu for my project. I'm using the SSC controller to talk to a TLV320AIC23b codec. However, can I use I2S for more than one device ? I have another codec I would like to connect. |
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| 14:03.46 | prpplague | morning earthlings |
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| 14:08.28 | chouimat|work | prpplague: morning dude from other space (aka texas) |
| 14:08.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:09.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: speaking of "other spaces" , my wife an i had an interesting discussion about the history of french canada over the weekend |
| 14:10.12 | chouimat|work | ? |
| 14:13.11 | prpplague | chouimat|work: just that neither of us knew much about the history of it, so we spent some time google'n it |
| 14:14.43 | wmat | prpplague: the history of french canada is really a major part of the history of canada itself in general |
| 14:15.38 | prpplague | wmat: that's generally what we learned |
| 14:17.34 | chouimat|work | because who want to learn the history of alberta :) |
| 14:21.36 | wmat | prpplague: I always thought it was dumb that Lower Canada was geographically above Upper Canada |
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| 14:23.03 | wmat | perhaps it's named based on social class ;) |
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| 15:24.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats cookin today? |
| 15:24.30 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 15:24.48 | prpplague | kergoth`work: greetings |
| 15:24.56 | CosmicPenguin | Sekret project 1 or sekret project 2 |
| 15:25.00 | kergoth`work | woke up 1.5 hours befoer my alarm today |
| 15:25.12 | CosmicPenguin | or, I probably need to break down and start hacking on RandR 1.2 for the Geode driver |
| 15:25.19 | CosmicPenguin | which sounds like so much fun I can hardly contain myself |
| 15:25.29 | prpplague | kergoth`work: plenty of time to hack the pentagon and break those 1024 bit cyphers |
| 15:25.35 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 15:25.39 | prpplague | jokes with silly references to swordfish |
| 15:26.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:26.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, trying to debug this keyboard matrix driver |
| 15:27.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: getting some bogus down button reports |
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| 15:35.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you had a device driver that was using the input class, but never reports events, would you still consider it an input device? |
| 15:36.01 | CosmicPenguin | if it didn't report events, then what input would there be, pray tell? |
| 15:36.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, it would use a char device node for the data |
| 15:37.10 | CosmicPenguin | you mis-read me |
| 15:37.22 | CosmicPenguin | if there are no events, then there is no input |
| 15:37.28 | CosmicPenguin | right? |
| 15:37.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, there can be input, just never calling input_report_event(); |
| 15:38.11 | prpplague | or input_report_key() |
| 15:38.17 | CosmicPenguin | but the input coming in, is in itself an event |
| 15:39.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i must be using the wrong wording |
| 15:40.21 | CosmicPenguin | now, there might not be things like num-lock press, etc, etc |
| 15:40.29 | CosmicPenguin | and yes, you can have input without those sorts of events |
| 15:40.52 | CosmicPenguin | but there is an event, its just the rather mundane event of data becoming available |
| 15:41.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, there is an event, but the question is whether you report it |
| 15:41.47 | CosmicPenguin | I would say no |
| 15:42.07 | CosmicPenguin | not unless it is special from the data and would require the system to have some sort of additional support |
| 15:42.20 | CosmicPenguin | Like the CTRL key |
| 15:42.28 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:47.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so in your mind a device using the input class must report events to be properly used in the input system |
| 15:49.31 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 15:49.40 | CosmicPenguin | is this for the mag-strip reader? |
| 15:51.24 | prpplague | yea, still trying to figure out the best way to handle this, i have a char device working, but it just doesn't "feel right" |
| 15:52.23 | CosmicPenguin | there aren't any hard and fast rules here |
| 15:52.33 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:52.34 | CosmicPenguin | I would do the mag-strip reader as an event actually |
| 15:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | because its not a constant stream |
| 15:53.13 | CosmicPenguin | its a single event prompting a packet of data |
| 15:53.21 | CosmicPenguin | like a button press, but more information |
| 15:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | An infrequent burst of data, as opposed to a keyboard or pointer that has a constant stream of bytes |
| 15:54.50 | CosmicPenguin | On a keyboard, if I start listening half way through this stentence, I can still provide useful information |
| 15:55.01 | CosmicPenguin | whereas for a mag-strip reader, I have to see the entire burst of data |
| 15:55.16 | CosmicPenguin | jumping in the middle of the stream is useless |
| 15:58.08 | CosmicPenguin | http://userweb.kernel.org/~lenb/doc/OLS2008-suspend-web/ |
| 15:58.14 | CosmicPenguin | I like that interface - anybody know what program doe sthat? |
| 15:58.24 | CosmicPenguin | answers his own question |
| 15:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | http://member.wide.ad.jp/wg/mgp/ |
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| 16:00.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, got some unbalanced disable_irq() / enable_irq() |
| 16:00.03 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 16:00.07 | CosmicPenguin | doh |
| 16:01.44 | kergoth`work | heh, oops |
| 16:02.12 | kergoth`work | http://www.budgetsaresexy.com/images/bike_4_sale.jpg |
| 16:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | okay, magic point is really useful |
| 16:02.21 | CosmicPenguin | I shall start using it |
| 16:02.32 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy and prpplague |
| 16:02.43 | CosmicPenguin | Yay utah |
| 16:02.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi |
| 16:02.49 | prpplague | kergoth`work: ws? |
| 16:03.02 | kergoth`work | ? |
| 16:04.02 | prpplague | kergoth`work: work safe |
| 16:04.08 | kergoth`work | ah, yes |
| 16:04.21 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, I now have two pulsating LEDs hooked up to the TI led controller :-) |
| 16:04.43 | RobotGuy | The TLC5940? |
| 16:05.04 | prpplague | cute |
| 16:05.10 | prpplague | kergoth`work: cute |
| 16:05.42 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'd like to see one of those rgb cubes controlled by the hammer |
| 16:05.49 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, yup |
| 16:05.53 | prpplague | g1powermac: that would pretty cool if you could translate some video |
| 16:05.58 | g1powermac | prpplague, oo, yea |
| 16:06.32 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, the TLC was a bear to interface with |
| 16:06.36 | prpplague | wmat: i wonder how timb's nail give away at OLS went |
| 16:06.37 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: That's cool! I have not tinkered with that chip yet. |
| 16:06.50 | g1powermac | though there was a lot of problems that might have been caused by other issues |
| 16:07.07 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: It looks like it could be. Reading the datasheet made my head hurt. |
| 16:07.47 | g1powermac | yea |
| 16:08.18 | g1powermac | its manipulating the data into the style it wants is the hardest part |
| 16:08.58 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: They don't really say how the serial interface works, althought they give full timing diagrams. |
| 16:10.41 | g1powermac | the interface is easy, basic synchronous serial |
| 16:11.12 | g1powermac | its making sure your chip doesn't send the info too fast and send it in the proper packet form that is the tough part |
| 16:11.50 | RobotGuy | It's all in the timing. |
| 16:11.56 | solar | Any avr/arduino guru's about? Wondering is avrdude good enough software to upload or do I really need to install java.crap.. tia. |
| 16:12.18 | RobotGuy | solar, prpplague: Greets |
| 16:12.38 | wmat | prpplague: good question, sned him an email |
| 16:12.43 | prpplague | solar: avrdude is very stable and functional |
| 16:12.46 | solar | RobotGuy: morn (I got stuck in Oregon). Flying out today. |
| 16:12.54 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, nah, timing wasn't really an issue |
| 16:12.55 | RobotGuy | solar: Arduino doesn't need that. Did you get the software from the Arduino website? |
| 16:12.57 | prpplague | solar: we use it exclusively to mass program our avr parts |
| 16:13.03 | RobotGuy | solar: How did you get stuck? |
| 16:13.07 | g1powermac | besides the speed of the serial port on the ds89c430 |
| 16:13.31 | solar | prpplague: so I don't need that java stuff from the arduino site? |
| 16:13.33 | g1powermac | its formatting the data is the issue |
| 16:13.49 | solar | is pretty anti-java. |
| 16:13.58 | prpplague | solar: i can't answer that as i've not used the arduino |
| 16:14.09 | prpplague | solar: but as far as avr goes, avrdude is rock solid |
| 16:14.29 | RobotGuy | solar: You need it if you want to program your Arduino the easy way. You don't program it in JAVA. |
| 16:14.42 | solar | I have a feeling the avrdude/ (gnome-avrdude) is all I need. I just wanted to try and confirm. |
| 16:14.47 | RobotGuy | Arduino has a bootloader. |
| 16:16.02 | solar | RobotGuy: yeah I know I wont be coding in java. It's more I'm trying to avoid having to install java everywhere just for some interface software. I think gnome-avrdude is the equiv to whats in the .cc site. |
| 16:16.22 | RobotGuy | solar: OK. |
| 16:17.31 | RobotGuy | I'd rather work with Python. |
| 16:18.00 | RobotGuy | However, I'll use the native environment to work with interesting stuff. |
| 16:18.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you really take the USB connectors off all your USB devices? |
| 16:19.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: for my embedded stuff, yea |
| 16:20.34 | RobotGuy | I created a git repository at github.com |
| 16:21.14 | CosmicPenguin | almost bought an ardunio this weekend |
| 16:21.15 | RobotGuy | solar: Were you able to go to the awards event after OSCON? |
| 16:21.32 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: What stopped you? |
| 16:21.48 | solar | RobotGuy: I took off after the keynotes. |
| 16:22.38 | RobotGuy | I really messed up - didn't realize I could have gone to BoF sessions, and some of the other stuff. |
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| 16:23.08 | CosmicPenguin | I need to drive a solinoid, and I have so little experience in electronics that the circuit to drive it from the ardrunio ws just complex enough that when I found something to drive the solinoid directly for the same price ,I got that instead |
| 16:23.21 | solar | yeah. I don't think I'll ever pay for sessions at OSCON again. It was pretty much a waste of $1300 bucks. |
| 16:23.40 | RobotGuy | solar: I wanted to go to some of the Python and Linux stuff. |
| 16:23.51 | RobotGuy | Espeially the Python stuff. |
| 16:24.02 | solar | clearly you would :p |
| 16:24.38 | RobotGuy | I seem to have messed my embedded build environment up again. :( |
| 16:25.25 | solar | I can't help you today. All sorts of junk going on and no idea how I'm even going to get to the airport. |
| 16:25.54 | RobotGuy | solar: I know. |
| 16:25.57 | prpplague | solar: doh |
| 16:26.04 | RobotGuy | solar: Take MAX and duck out. :) |
| 16:26.39 | RobotGuy | I ended up with at least 15 t-shirts and a bag of miscellaneous stuff. |
| 16:27.03 | solar | RobotGuy: I'm down in EUG now. |
| 16:27.37 | RobotGuy | solar: Hmmmmmm. |
| 16:29.01 | solar | I ended up missing my flight on Sat. Had it rescheduled for the next one which was not till today. vs flying out of PDX I opted to fly out of EUG so I'd have a place to stay for the weekend. |
| 16:29.13 | RobotGuy | I'm waiting for more money to get into my PayPal account from the UK, so I can get the last few parts for the hardware of W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 16:29.19 | solar | which was mostly ok. I got to see family etc. |
| 16:29.30 | RobotGuy | solar: Cool. :) |
| 16:29.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i really wish you would get a hammer kit, i'd love to hear what kind of issues you find complex enough to keep you from doing the hardware dev portion |
| 16:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | simple soldering at this point |
| 16:29.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seriously? |
| 16:29.58 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 16:30.02 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:30.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why not order a solder learning kit? |
| 16:30.18 | CosmicPenguin | I found a circuit to drive the solenoid |
| 16:30.24 | RobotGuy | sends CosmicPenguin to Simple Soldering School. |
| 16:31.03 | CosmicPenguin | But I really don't have a need for a audrino in my every day life |
| 16:31.05 | prpplague | has owned a soldering iron since he was 7 |
| 16:31.17 | CosmicPenguin | and so since I could spend the same amount of money and do no soldering |
| 16:31.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the ability to solder is pretty handy skill to have, imho |
| 16:32.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there a patch to the official buildroot to have kernel headers 2.6.26? |
| 16:32.07 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 16:32.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not that i am aware of |
| 16:32.36 | CosmicPenguin | plus, I'm sorry to say that I spent way less then the hammer |
| 16:32.46 | CosmicPenguin | which isn't your fault, of course |
| 16:33.45 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: You can do hardware dev on a solderless breadboard. That's what I use. |
| 16:34.01 | CosmicPenguin | still |
| 16:34.17 | CosmicPenguin | cost + ease = purchase |
| 16:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | and its not like the hammer or ardrunio is going off the market any time soon |
| 16:35.00 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Don't feel like you are the only one in this boat. I am hesitant to do any real hardware dev using Hammer, unless I can just plug things in and then start on software. |
| 16:35.33 | CosmicPenguin | There is a show on Food Network called Good Eats |
| 16:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | the host never buys any tool for the kitchen unless it has multiple usses |
| 16:36.08 | CosmicPenguin | I need to start living my gadget life like that |
| 16:36.13 | RobotGuy | hopes he ordered the right 2N7000 FETs. |
| 16:37.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yep, i use mr.brown's motto all the time |
| 16:37.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seriously though, need to order one of the weller pencils and a soldering kit |
| 16:38.01 | CosmicPenguin | I will if I need to |
| 16:38.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: $40 max, well worth it |
| 16:38.09 | CosmicPenguin | I have an iron, I just never take it out |
| 16:39.20 | prpplague | really surprised how many people are phoebic about soldering |
| 16:39.44 | prpplague | guess it is all a mindset, i've been doing it since i was a kid, so its no big deal for me |
| 16:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | not phoebic - pragmatic |
| 16:40.02 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to do a crappy job |
| 16:40.10 | CosmicPenguin | if I can get somebody to do a professional job for the same price |
| 16:40.34 | CosmicPenguin | If the professional job is three times as much, then I'll do it |
| 16:41.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, but when you are doing stuff like .1" center stuff, there isn't really a whole lot of work involved |
| 16:41.17 | CosmicPenguin | Because then I can destroy two of them and still come out ahead |
| 16:41.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can understand it if you were doing surface mounted |
| 16:41.33 | RobotGuy | I can solder just fine. I just don't want to risk messing another Hammer module up. |
| 16:42.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why would destroy the hammer when soldering? |
| 16:42.28 | solar | owning a 30W iron like me.. Melt down |
| 16:42.43 | prpplague | ~lart solar |
| 16:42.43 | purl | lowers solar's priority |
| 16:43.04 | prpplague | solar: you shouldn't be soldering on a pcb where the hammer is mounted |
| 16:43.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's a cost thing. |
| 16:43.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: still don't understand how you would damage the hammer |
| 16:43.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: But you told me that was OK. |
| 16:44.08 | solar | prpplague: If I need to do any hardware hacking on the Nail/Hammer. I have you for that. (SD/MMC I'll probably ask ya for a hand with at LWE) |
| 16:44.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can, but if you are worried about damaging it, then the smart thing is to just remove it |
| 16:44.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Heat. Some pins are very closet to the Hammer. |
| 16:44.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Removing the Hammer is how I damaged the first one. |
| 16:44.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just remove the hammer |
| 16:44.54 | prpplague | solar: sorry, won't be at LWE |
| 16:45.01 | prpplague | solar: couldn't get time off |
| 16:45.20 | prpplague | solar: but i'll see what i can do for getting a microsd fixed up for you |
| 16:45.27 | solar | Bummer I thought TCT was going to do a booth |
| 16:45.41 | prpplague | solar: they are |
| 16:45.49 | RobotGuy | solar: Did I tell you the Meet Up people gave me a $100.00 Best Buy gift card? |
| 16:46.01 | solar | RobotGuy: i saw that on your blog |
| 16:46.20 | solar | prpplague: and not sending you? ~!@W#E |
| 16:47.08 | prpplague | solar: TCT was going to pay, but i couldn't get time off from AML |
| 16:47.51 | g1powermac | meh, this should be fun, need to setup a samba print server |
| 16:48.23 | RobotGuy | There are way too many Linux* things. |
| 16:49.48 | prpplague | solar: pretty disappointed, but oh well |
| 16:50.31 | RobotGuy | LWE looks like it will be huge. |
| 16:50.48 | prpplague | its mostly business related |
| 16:50.52 | solar | it is. It's also alot more commercial |
| 16:50.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So was OSCON, really. |
| 16:51.16 | solar | RobotGuy: not anywhere compared to the level of LWE. |
| 16:52.05 | RobotGuy | I saw a lot of duplication at OSCON - lots of collaboration software, etc. |
| 16:53.10 | solar | RobotGuy: the expo-floor at LWE is ~4x the size of the OSCON |
| 16:53.49 | RobotGuy | solar: That would not suprise me. It always seems like events in PDX are way smaller than those elsewhere, even if it's the same event. |
| 16:54.13 | solar | prpplague: bummer. I was looking fwd putting a face with the name. As well as hearing how the heck you pronounce your $nick. |
| 16:54.32 | prpplague | solar: prpplague is short for "purple plague" |
| 16:55.22 | prpplague | solar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold-aluminium_intermetallics |
| 16:58.09 | solar | heh. you are such a geek |
| 16:58.30 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:58.54 | RobotGuy | solar: I am going to order an Arduino and Proto Shield kit soon. |
| 16:59.12 | RobotGuy | I so wanted to get one at OSCON. |
| 16:59.56 | solar | I offered to sponsor you one while we were there. Supprised you did not take me up on the offer. |
| 17:00.01 | RobotGuy | I have to remove W.A.L.T.E.R.'s brain so I can tinker with it. |
| 17:00.26 | RobotGuy | solar: I was going to. |
| 17:00.55 | RobotGuy | I thought you changed your mind, sorry. |
| 17:01.38 | RobotGuy | Arduino has some interesting possibilities as a perhipheral to Hammer. |
| 17:01.39 | solar | No need to tell me sorry. Your loss, not mine :p |
| 17:02.15 | RobotGuy | I know. |
| 17:02.40 | RobotGuy | I kind of got a bit smitten with a lady I met there. |
| 17:02.41 | solar | yeah it looks pretty dead simple. should be a good next logical step for me outside of my normal dealings with SBC's |
| 17:02.53 | solar | linuxfund chick? |
| 17:03.01 | RobotGuy | solar: Yes. :) |
| 17:04.02 | solar | she was a rather a bit of a flirt when drunk. She wanted to get a matching tattoo like I was getting at the SF after party |
| 17:04.40 | RobotGuy | solar: Durn, I knew I should have gone to that party. Dang. |
| 17:05.09 | RobotGuy | She was a bit of a flirt when not drunk too. |
| 17:05.24 | chouimat|work | what is this smell? this horrible odor? it's the smell of a bug closed with WORKSFORME!!! |
| 17:06.07 | RobotGuy | solar: She likes robots too. :) |
| 17:06.20 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: sound like a keeper :) |
| 17:06.27 | solar | @gentoo that is used often to say.. your hardware is broke.. or PEBKAC |
| 17:06.33 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: She's also local. :) |
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| 17:07.14 | RobotGuy | I need to get this woman out of my head. |
| 17:08.26 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: in a year or 2 |
| 17:08.28 | solar | just think about the bot.. they tend to be more interesting and faithful in the long run |
| 17:08.37 | chouimat|work | TMI |
| 17:09.12 | RobotGuy | solar: I need to focus on W.A.L.T.E.R. and not breaking my embedded dev system. |
| 17:09.26 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: :P |
| 17:09.47 | prpplague | and atleast you know where your money goes with the bot |
| 17:10.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: True. |
| 17:10.23 | RobotGuy | I think my money goes just as fast with a robot. |
| 17:10.29 | RobotGuy | Maybe faster. |
| 17:12.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my post on embedded-linux didn't seem overly rude did it? |
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| 17:13.14 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 17:13.42 | prpplague | one of my co-workers said it sounded rude to him, but oh well |
| 17:19.24 | CosmicPenguin | Nah |
| 17:19.29 | CosmicPenguin | now people are trying to justify the stupid things they do |
| 17:19.35 | CosmicPenguin | like use C++ |
| 17:20.01 | RobotGuy | methril|laptop: Greetings |
| 17:21.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 17:21.10 | kergoth`work | huh, i'm not on the linux embedded list |
| 17:21.12 | kergoth`work | bad kergoth, bad |
| 17:21.29 | prpplague | kergoth`work: not missing much |
| 17:21.38 | kergoth`work | heh, still |
| 17:21.46 | prpplague | kergoth`work: the signal to noise ratio is pretty high |
| 17:21.54 | kergoth`work | you mean low? :) |
| 17:21.56 | solar | is not either. but I don't feel bad. I even unsubbed from the bb/uclibc lists. |
| 17:22.05 | methril|laptop | Greetings about? RobotGuy? |
| 17:22.15 | kergoth`work | i just resubscribed to busybox, but only because i had an issue at work with busybox test |
| 17:22.17 | RobotGuy | Just greetings. |
| 17:22.28 | methril|laptop | nice!! Greetings to you too :) |
| 17:22.30 | kergoth`work | i just dont have the time to filter through so many lists anymore |
| 17:22.36 | RobotGuy | Sometimes, a greeting is just a greeting. :D |
| 17:22.43 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth`work: gmane for the win |
| 17:22.49 | kergoth`work | true |
| 17:22.52 | kergoth`work | also, I <3 LWN |
| 17:23.02 | solar | me either. I just resign up when I need to post something. Then unsub a few days later. |
| 17:23.06 | prpplague | kergoth`work: sorry dyslexia getting involved, noise to signal |
| 17:23.18 | methril|laptop | well, this is allways nice |
| 17:24.22 | RobotGuy | Dyslexics of the World, UNTIE! |
| 17:25.23 | kergoth`work | huh, i dont think busybox has a test suite for test |
| 17:25.25 | kergoth`work | that doesnt sound good |
| 17:25.33 | kergoth`work | considering how critical to a functional distro it is |
| 17:25.36 | RobotGuy | solar: As soon as I get the FETs I ordered, I should be able to connect my SSC-32 up to Hammer. |
| 17:26.13 | RobotGuy | kergoth, I can't even get busybox and uclibc to build at all now. |
| 17:27.29 | RobotGuy | I need to patch buildroot for kernel 2.6.26, but can't seem to find where to do that. |
| 17:27.50 | kergoth`work | any of you guys know of a commandline tool to compare two lists and show differences? |
| 17:27.56 | kergoth`work | not diff, i dont need a comparison that includes order |
| 17:28.00 | kergoth`work | just what's in one but not the other |
| 17:28.13 | CosmicPenguin | sort | uniq | diff ? |
| 17:28.50 | kergoth`work | will still show shit that really isnt different, just due to beign shifted by more lines than diff expects to find it |
| 17:28.54 | kergoth`work | hrm |
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| 17:29.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why? |
| 17:29.59 | kergoth`work | i know i saw a tool for this somewhere |
| 17:29.59 | kergoth`work | grr |
| 17:30.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Because the later kernel has better drivers for WiFi and such. |
| 17:30.37 | solar | kergoth: maybe something like. sort -u 1 > s.1 ; sort -u 2 > s.2 ; diff -u s.{1,2} | grep -e ^+ -e ^- |
| 17:31.06 | chouimat|work | kergoth`work: I'm sure you can write some awk script to clean the thing :) |
| 17:31.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you only need to upgrade the kernel headers if something is missing |
| 17:31.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: With new and different drivers added in later kernels, I am guessing something could be missing in the earlier headers. |
| 17:31.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the headers don't change that much |
| 17:31.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd try it first |
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| 17:35.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 17:36.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just have doubts that there wouldn't be header changes for the newer and later drivers, especially ones not in 2.6.22 at all. |
| 17:37.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: okie dokie |
| 17:38.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm trying it to see if what I think is the case or not. |
| 17:38.57 | ds2 | no hammer at LWE? |
| 17:39.10 | prpplague | ds2: tct will be there |
| 17:39.13 | prpplague | i will not |
| 17:39.21 | ds2 | ah okay |
| 17:39.39 | ds2 | thought you would be running the booth |
| 17:39.47 | kergoth`work | fyi |
| 17:39.50 | kergoth`work | found the tool i was looking for |
| 17:39.54 | kergoth`work | it's 'comm' from coreutils |
| 17:40.03 | kergoth`work | knew i saw ti somewhere |
| 17:40.52 | prpplague | ds2: hehe, not sure why people think TCT is my business |
| 17:41.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are the most visible person associated with TCT in some way. |
| 17:41.40 | solar | cuz you are the man we see full-time. And seeing as you said AML->TCT link.. I'd think they would want you out there,. |
| 17:41.59 | RobotGuy | solar: I agree. |
| 17:42.24 | kergoth`work | comm -3 file1 file2 will dump lines in file1 not in file2 and lines in file2 not in file1 |
| 17:42.25 | prpplague | hmm, yea, i can see your point |
| 17:43.41 | solar | hopes the bigwigs at AML will reconsider sending you. |
| 17:44.21 | prpplague | solar: the TCT stuff is very very very low priority as far as AML is concerned |
| 17:44.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Having you there could be good for AML also though. |
| 17:45.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not sure about that |
| 17:45.33 | RobotGuy | thinks about just hibernating with software and hardware and just not dealing with people. |
| 17:46.01 | solar | prpplague: understandable but bummer none the less. |
| 17:46.06 | prpplague | solar: yep |
| 17:46.22 | ds2 | prpplague: you are the main TCT cheerleader ;) |
| 17:46.32 | prpplague | solar: i'm gonna save up some time and money for next year, try to go to a couple conferences |
| 17:47.08 | prpplague | ds2: hehe, yea, well, i'm just another community advocate, i just happen to know "someone" at TCT |
| 17:47.23 | solar | prpplague: ELF is a good one for nearly everybody here. (non-commercial) |
| 17:47.49 | prpplague | solar: yea, thats the one i was interested in going to this year |
| 17:48.16 | RobotGuy | ELF? Another acronym. Hmmph |
| 17:48.22 | solar | note it's small. No bells and whistles |
| 17:48.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: CE linux forum |
| 17:49.08 | RobotGuy | I'd like to go to something more grassroots and less commercial. |
| 17:49.11 | solar | RobotGuy: Embedded Linux Conf. (I think they are the ones who actually sponsor the elinux stuff) |
| 17:49.20 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 17:52.10 | RobotGuy | CELF and Linux Fund are two I would support. |
| 17:53.23 | ds2 | ESC ELC... fun TLA's... and they sometimes happen at the same time in the same area ;) |
| 17:53.24 | solar | only donated to the OSL while at OSCON. |
| 17:53.45 | solar | ds2: you are in the bay area? |
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| 18:01.32 | RobotGuy | Sheesh, libtool barfed all over the place when I was building my buildroot toolchain. |
| 18:01.49 | RobotGuy | OSL is definitely worthwhile. |
| 18:02.17 | RobotGuy | I can't afford to support them all though. |
| 18:02.23 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 18:04.20 | RobotGuy | solar: When you get a chance, I'd like to get a set of the pictures you took of W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 18:04.33 | prpplague | hmm, apm-emulation isn't passing my suspend request on to apm |
| 18:06.20 | g1powermac | well, got file sharing working |
| 18:06.25 | g1powermac | still no printing. . . |
| 18:06.48 | ds2 | solar: yep |
| 18:09.50 | solar | RobotGuy: Sure I'll post the vid later. |
| 18:10.09 | RobotGuy | solar: Cool, thanks. |
| 18:10.18 | solar | ds2: cool. |
| 18:10.52 | RobotGuy | I'm off to tinker. Hopefully I won't break anything. |
| 18:11.47 | RobotGuy | I need to figure out what is wrong with my Gentoo Embedded env and fix it. |
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| 18:34.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i thought the input class apm support was suppose to pass apm events directly to kapmd without userspace daemons |
| 18:49.08 | prpplague | is having a heck of a time getting the suspend requests working properly |
| 18:55.55 | solar | hrmm Xbee's look like a pretty vitial thing to own |
| 18:57.06 | prpplague | solar: zigbee stuff is either a "love it" or "hate it" item |
| 18:58.03 | solar | oh joy. Hopefully it will be a love vs hate relationship |
| 18:58.33 | solar | Any other low cost serial->wireless out on the market you are aware of? |
| 18:59.05 | prpplague | solar: there are some BT serial modules, around $20-$50 per module |
| 19:00.27 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=115 |
| 19:03.21 | solar | unless the range is better. it seems the xbee's might be more suited (based on cost) |
| 19:04.02 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:04.13 | prpplague | just harder, imho, to work with |
| 19:05.12 | prpplague | darn i can't figure out why this event isn't being passed |
| 19:06.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I didn't understand a single word of your last comment to me |
| 19:06.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:07.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it is my understanding that apm-emulation when combined with the input power events, there is no userspace daemon needed to handle apm events |
| 19:07.34 | CosmicPenguin | oiay |
| 19:07.37 | CosmicPenguin | if you say so |
| 19:08.18 | g1powermac_PB | meh, I can't get samba to do print sharing |
| 19:09.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you don't use the apm emulation stuff? |
| 19:09.18 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 19:09.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 19:09.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what about input to apm bridge? |
| 19:10.12 | CosmicPenguin | if apm stands for advanced power management, then the answer is no to any of the above questions and further ones too |
| 19:10.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh |
| 19:10.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you don't use an apm at all? |
| 19:10.43 | CosmicPenguin | an? |
| 19:10.48 | prpplague | any |
| 19:11.00 | CosmicPenguin | modern x86 uses ACPI |
| 19:11.13 | CosmicPenguin | and roll-your-own |
| 19:11.43 | prpplague | yea, just didn't know if you were using more embedded targeted stuff for your geode stuff |
| 19:13.14 | CosmicPenguin | well, technically, your APM is just a bastardization |
| 19:13.23 | CosmicPenguin | the way you put a standard x86 into suspend is through ACPI |
| 19:13.41 | CosmicPenguin | that would be true at any level from server to embedded |
| 19:13.56 | CosmicPenguin | its not about the interface, its just about what registers get written in order to do something useful |
| 19:15.06 | ds2 | prpplague: what arch are you using APM on? |
| 19:15.17 | prpplague | the m8050 |
| 19:15.20 | RobotGuy | I have a serial BT module, based on the NXP BGB203. |
| 19:15.23 | prpplague | or atleast looking at using it |
| 19:15.29 | ds2 | that's ARM... isn't it? |
| 19:15.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:15.40 | ds2 | ARM don't use APM |
| 19:15.59 | ds2 | donno what samsung has but the OMAPs have their own variantion |
| 19:16.03 | prpplague | ds2: right, thats why arm kernels have "apm-emulation" |
| 19:16.14 | ds2 | prpplague: hmmm not all ARMs |
| 19:16.20 | CosmicPenguin | With the wide variety of x86 platforms, having in kernel suspend routines for all of them would be prohibitive |
| 19:16.21 | ds2 | the OMAPs AFAIK do not emulate APM |
| 19:16.27 | RobotGuy | I have this one: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8461 |
| 19:16.34 | ds2 | they just provide the /sys/power/mem thing to trigger suspend |
| 19:16.35 | prpplague | ds2: correct, not all arm's have that support |
| 19:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | having a common interface really sort of saves us |
| 19:17.32 | ds2 | common? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:17.49 | ds2 | is that like water flowing up hill will prevent floods? ;) |
| 19:19.00 | CosmicPenguin | Ignoring all the other cruft, its common beacuse there is a single register to write to to trigger the power state |
| 19:19.10 | CosmicPenguin | which is useful |
| 19:19.18 | ds2 | does the ACPI code implement the same sysfs file? |
| 19:19.27 | CosmicPenguin | its the other way around |
| 19:19.34 | CosmicPenguin | the same sysfs file triggers the ACPI code |
| 19:19.39 | CosmicPenguin | or the APM code, or the system specific code |
| 19:19.56 | ds2 | the last I looked at it, APM is still done with /proc |
| 19:20.24 | prpplague | even so, i'm having trouble understanding why this power event isn't being reported |
| 19:22.01 | ds2 | what do you mean reported? |
| 19:22.27 | ds2 | and is the code you are working on in the hammer patched tree? |
| 19:24.37 | prpplague | ds2: different platform than the hammer |
| 19:25.03 | prpplague | ds2: when input_event() is called with the event, the input handler doesn't respond |
| 19:25.16 | prpplague | ds2: i.e. it doesn't show up in the event debugging log |
| 19:25.26 | prpplague | ds2: i'm guess there is a bug in the s3c24xx handling |
| 19:25.32 | ds2 | Hmmmm and how's that related to APM? |
| 19:25.48 | ds2 | (vs a problem with the input core or an associated driver) |
| 19:26.33 | prpplague | ds2: because the event is a suspend request |
| 19:27.23 | RobotGuy | Is DigiKey in the habit of cancelling orders and not informing you? |
| 19:27.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there is something going on right now with digikey's shipping and ordering |
| 19:28.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i've heard thru the grapevine that there was some sort of db failure |
| 19:28.18 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 19:28.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, they seem to still have my money and my order has been cancelled. :( |
| 19:28.40 | ds2 | prpplague: maybe there is an overlapping terminology here...when you say event, you are talking about something from a /dev/input/eventX device right? |
| 19:29.00 | prpplague | ds2: correct |
| 19:29.39 | ds2 | prpplague: so it comes down to - you pressed a button but your app never sees the button press before the system is suspended? |
| 19:30.16 | prpplague | ds2: no, this is like a button on the keyboard that is designated as the "suspend/resume" button |
| 19:30.27 | prpplague | ds2: pressing the button creates a suspend event |
| 19:30.54 | ds2 | prpplague: okay... so there is no hardware on the button input to automtically kick off suspend? |
| 19:31.05 | prpplague | ds2: correct |
| 19:31.23 | RobotGuy | I just discovered my payment to DigiKey was denied, and I don't know why. |
| 19:31.39 | prpplague | ds2: found the bug, the apm bridge wasn't setting a bit flag for processign EV_PWR events |
| 19:31.58 | ds2 | Oh the APM code knows about the button... |
| 19:32.29 | ds2 | On the OMAPs, it is user app waits on /dev/input/eventX... on seeing event, it writes the magic to sysfs |
| 19:32.43 | ds2 | hence the reason why what you said didn't appear to make sense |
| 19:34.05 | prpplague | ds2: yea, you can do it that way too, with the apm bridge, it bypasses the need for the userspace app |
| 19:34.29 | ds2 | prpplague: on the OMAP, the APM bridge isn't available, AFAIK |
| 19:34.50 | prpplague | ds2: it is available, however you just have to turn on the embedded kernel features |
| 19:35.16 | ds2 | I'll take your word for it,never tried it that way |
| 19:36.49 | prpplague | ds2: as long as you have apm-emulation support, you can use all of the other apm bridge functions |
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| 19:48.13 | prpplague | swinchen: greetings |
| 19:48.36 | swinchen | Hello. |
| 19:48.43 | prpplague | swinchen: let me guess, professor gave you the hammer kit to play with? |
| 19:49.26 | swinchen | Nope, unfortunately. Although, it would probably be a good platform for my current project. |
| 19:49.44 | swinchen | As far as I know Rick is still playing with it. |
| 19:49.47 | prpplague | swinchen: ahh |
| 19:50.49 | swinchen | I just opened up chat to get some advice on purchasing laptops w/ linux compatible components (mostly wifi and graphics) |
| 19:50.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, there was a post on LAK today from Russ Dill |
| 19:51.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: haven't heard from him in years |
| 19:51.11 | prpplague | swinchen: ahh |
| 19:51.23 | kergoth`work | talked to russ the other day |
| 19:51.36 | prpplague | kergoth`work: oh yea? |
| 19:51.40 | prpplague | kergoth`work: irc? |
| 19:51.59 | kergoth`work | google talk. i worked with him at CSC on the land warrior stuff, dont keep in touch that often though |
| 19:52.16 | prpplague | kergoth`work: ahh |
| 19:52.19 | kergoth`work | he's married nowadays |
| 20:00.11 | RobotGuy | What's the command to mount an fs image on a loop device? |
| 20:00.35 | ds2 | mount -o loop -t filesystemtime filename mountpoint |
| 20:00.42 | ds2 | note, does not work for YAFFS or JFFS2 |
| 20:02.34 | RobotGuy | Oh, why does it not work for JFFS2? I thought it did. |
| 20:02.47 | ds2 | JFFS2 only works with MTD devices not with loop devices |
| 20:03.11 | ds2 | for JFFS2 you will need to use MTD emulation on a block device or MTDRAM; both are a manual process |
| 20:03.36 | RobotGuy | ds2: I am not that is right. I have a README from solar that indicates otherwise. |
| 20:04.00 | RobotGuy | But who knows. Not much is working for me right now. |
| 20:04.04 | ds2 | you could do file -> loop device -> mtd emulation on block but there are suppose to be issues with this (worked well enough to snag a few files from an image but it was slow) |
| 20:04.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can mount a jffs2 image on your host pc, but you can not use loop to do it |
| 20:04.40 | ds2 | RobotGuy: he might be stacking a bunch of stuff manually... the mount -o loop thing combines a losetup and the actual mount into one command |
| 20:05.00 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 20:05.06 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 20:05.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the openmoko wiki has a nice section on how to mount a jffs2 image |
| 20:06.23 | RobotGuy | The next time I am able to build an image of my own, I think I will make a bare bones image with just a few things and save it. |
| 20:06.25 | ds2 | prpplague: have you used the block2mtd stuff much? |
| 20:06.51 | prpplague | ds2: sorry no |
| 20:07.13 | ds2 | be interesting to know how stable it is for other people |
| 20:08.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What voltage leve should I be looking for on the 2n7000 FETs? |
| 20:08.29 | ds2 | okay bbl, ph00d |
| 20:08.34 | RobotGuy | I'm just dealing with 3.3V and 5V stuff. |
| 20:08.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no clue, have no idea what you are using it for |
| 20:08.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Level shifting. |
| 20:09.19 | prpplague | then anything around 5v should be fine |
| 20:11.42 | RobotGuy | I'm going to go for awhile. I'm sad. |
| 20:11.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: about what? |
| 20:12.47 | prpplague | very unique personality |
| 20:14.24 | g1powermac | out does RobotGuy's uniqueness by shooting the crap out of my ammo can computer with the ammo it was meant to hold ;-) |
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| 20:15.08 | g1powermac | if anyone has any experience with samba and is willing to help me out with getting print sharing working, that'd be great :-) |
| 20:15.27 | g1powermac | #samba seems dead atm |
| 20:38.51 | solar | yeah jffs2 loopmounts are a pita. I know they can be done. but damned if it's ever easy, |
| 20:40.05 | MothaWork | you need mtdloop |
| 20:40.50 | solar | that sounds about right |
| 21:00.04 | prpplague | anyone know the name of the default openmoko theme? |
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| 21:44.13 | wmat | isn't it AquaX or something like that? |
| 21:45.00 | wmat | or openmoko-standard-2 |
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| 22:09.27 | prpplague | wmat: yea, found it |
| 22:09.40 | prpplague | wmat: marketing was having a cow over the sato theme |
| 22:15.57 | wmat | so which was it? |
| 22:16.33 | prpplague | standard-2 |
| 22:16.42 | wmat | ah |
| 22:16.50 | prpplague | actually i'm using the qvga version too |
| 22:41.06 | ce_geek | Are we having fun yet? |
| 22:41.30 | prpplague | no |
| 22:49.39 | RobotGuy | is not having fun either |
| 22:54.50 | ce_geek | why not? |
| 22:59.23 | RobotGuy | I'm breaking things this week. |
| 22:59.39 | RobotGuy | I did go to OSCON last week. |
| 23:01.20 | ds2 | got good freebies? |
| 23:02.51 | RobotGuy | I got over 15 t-shirts, a nice mug, a cool screw driver. |
| 23:03.34 | RobotGuy | Oh, and I got a $100.00 Best Buy gift card. :) |
| 23:04.12 | ds2 | nice |
| 23:12.16 | RobotGuy | I bought a 4 GB microSD card and another USB WiFi adapter. |
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