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| 06:04.55 | phoix | When compiling buildroot does it eventually produce hardly any console output for ages? |
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| 06:05.42 | RobotGuy | phoix: No. There is always output as buildroot does stuff. There should never be huge pauses, except perhaps at start of build. |
| 06:06.03 | phoix | ok |
| 06:06.54 | RobotGuy | Where are you seeing long pauses you think are not normal? |
| 06:07.11 | RobotGuy | My experience applies to using buildroot for ARM. |
| 06:14.49 | phoix | yeah i'm compiling for arm xscale with pxa27x |
| 06:15.10 | phoix | i left my machine on all night thinking it was doing something |
| 06:15.43 | phoix | it paused after it compiled gcc-4.3.x |
| 06:16.05 | phoix | i've restarted and started the compile again |
| 06:16.12 | phoix | see if it does it again |
| 06:16.25 | RobotGuy | Are you sure GCC 4.3 works for your platform? |
| 06:18.32 | phoix | dont know. am using openSUSE 10.2 i386 |
| 06:19.06 | RobotGuy | phoix: Not all compilers work for every platform. Some are better than others. |
| 06:19.12 | phoix | seems to be going fine now tho |
| 06:19.18 | phoix | ok |
| 06:19.19 | RobotGuy | Cool |
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| 06:22.09 | phoix | i cant afford a nice arm development board at the moment but i do have a zaurus sl-c3200 and have ordered the jtag cable for it, will this be just as effective as a development board? |
| 06:23.52 | phoix | because i've seen a board called zues which is just like the zaurus sl-c3200 |
| 06:24.15 | ds2 | that's an Xscale ARM processor on the Z |
| 06:24.43 | phoix | yeah |
| 06:25.14 | ds2 | should be a decent platform |
| 06:25.23 | phoix | cool |
| 06:25.42 | ds2 | the K.O kernels might even support them directly |
| 06:26.07 | ds2 | might be useful to start with Angstrom instead of the stock rom |
| 06:26.22 | phoix | i think they do |
| 06:27.00 | phoix | yeah i have used angstrom on my z but i didn't compile it i downloaded the precompiled version |
| 06:27.16 | ds2 | angstrom will at least give you a userland to start with |
| 06:27.36 | ds2 | the stock rom userland might not be happy with the 2.6 kernel |
| 06:28.01 | phoix | ok |
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| 07:09.22 | phoix | think i didn't reserve enough ram for my vm machine that i am compiling buildroot in and thats why it paused because its just got passed the bit that it paused on last night, now that i've given the vm 1256MB ram and restarted the compilation |
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| 07:32.21 | [AD]Turbo | hi |
| 07:34.54 | phoix | its been sittnig on this bit for ages again, this is one file on from the last time it paused, it seems to be working really hard tho |
| 07:35.46 | phoix | home/phoix/buildroot/toolchain_build_arm/gcc-4.3.1/gcc/tree-ssa-phiopt.c:1119: warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type |
| 07:37.21 | phoix | may install linux natively rather than in a vm for this |
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| 08:25.36 | harpal_ | Hey I have one embedded machine and I want to setup linux over there. so which filesystem should I use LVM2 or EVMS? |
| 08:28.28 | solar | lvm2 for the win imo. |
| 08:32.13 | harpal_ | solar: I have embedded system for network management. so which one is suit for me? |
| 08:34.16 | solar | lvm2 for embedded anything seems a bit overkill to me. I don't know how your system is setup but it's quite common for embedded devices to be read-only and or compressed file systems. So ppl use stuff like squashfs,jffs2,cramfs,unionfs,aufs,logfs,ext2-read-only. |
| 08:35.05 | solar | you will have to decide what is best for your needs. |
| 08:37.02 | harpal_ | solar: okay, so I have to read all filesystem and then decide that. |
| 08:39.44 | solar | for the ease of testing and devel. ext2 for the win unless you can/want do nfs mounts |
| 08:44.29 | harpal_ | solar: I dont want nfs mount. so I should use ext2 |
| 08:50.22 | solar | for devel it's handy. |
| 08:50.56 | solar | but the fs you opt for also depends on the type of storage medium the device is using. |
| 08:51.14 | solar | I'm off to bed. Good luck. |
| 08:52.32 | RobotGuy | G'Night solar |
| 09:09.58 | harpal_ | solar: Thanks a lot |
| 09:10.42 | methril | yo |
| 09:10.47 | harpal_ | methril: hi |
| 09:10.52 | methril | hi |
| 09:10.53 | RobotGuy | methril: Hi |
| 09:11.18 | harpal_ | methril: hows going on? |
| 09:11.29 | methril | well, some u-boot coding |
| 09:11.38 | methril | and CPU eval |
| 09:11.45 | RobotGuy | Check http://www2.thedynaplex.mobi:3030/ and http://www2.thedynaplex.mobi:3030/web/ out. |
| 09:13.46 | methril | is this walter? |
| 09:14.05 | methril | obviously it said that in the first link :) |
| 09:14.37 | methril | nice |
| 09:14.51 | harpal_ | methril: ok. Which filesystem is good for my network embedded system? |
| 09:15.00 | methril | hehehe |
| 09:15.03 | methril | of the rootfs? |
| 09:15.09 | harpal_ | methril: yes |
| 09:15.29 | methril | this a decission that you have to keep in mind what you need fast or flexible, write or read-only support? |
| 09:15.37 | harpal_ | in second link nothing is there text control panel but not visible. Its invisible control panel ;) |
| 09:15.41 | methril | and of course, your flash space |
| 09:16.05 | harpal_ | methril: I have harddisk and I have to install all things there |
| 09:16.26 | methril | but for the embedded system you have flash and hdd? |
| 09:16.44 | harpal_ | I have hdd not flash |
| 09:17.16 | methril | then ext2/ext3 is an option to boot |
| 09:17.25 | methril | it's fast and very well tested |
| 09:17.38 | methril | and u-boot supports ext2 |
| 09:17.46 | methril | what boot-loader are you using? |
| 09:18.08 | harpal_ | methril: not sure. I think grub is better. Is that? |
| 09:18.25 | methril | well, this doesn't look like an embedded system :) |
| 09:18.33 | methril | grub is usual for PCs |
| 09:18.42 | methril | it's more versatile |
| 09:18.50 | harpal_ | methril: Than I should use lilo? |
| 09:19.07 | methril | let's see what system are you talking about? |
| 09:19.17 | methril | it's an x86? |
| 09:19.22 | harpal_ | ya x86 |
| 09:19.49 | methril | then use grub or lilo, it's your preference :D |
| 09:20.35 | harpal_ | ok, so depending upon on system we have to put bootloader? |
| 09:20.51 | harpal_ | for sparc, mips, arm its different? |
| 09:21.34 | methril | yes |
| 09:22.04 | methril | for most of the embedded systems (ppc arm mips and some x86) it's very usual to use u-boot |
| 09:23.12 | harpal_ | methril: okay.... |
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| 09:24.21 | Phoix | just installed xubuntu into a vmware machine :) hopefully this will compile buildroot without getting stuck |
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| 10:04.06 | Phoix | hmm. |
| 10:05.11 | Phoix | buildroot compile says that makeinfo is missing on my system? but it is installed and i can run it? |
| 10:05.29 | Phoix | at the beginning of the compile it says makeinfo : OK |
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| 10:05.46 | Phoix | but then when it gets to compiling binutils it says its missing |
| 10:06.25 | Phoix | ah.. lol i think i dont have gnu make installed |
| 10:08.20 | Phoix | hmm, |
| 10:08.35 | Phoix | i do have texinfo and make installed |
| 10:11.42 | Phoix | do i need to have a specific version of either makeinfo or gnu make? |
| 10:14.17 | Phoix | http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?t=9173&sid=3b98720de0d961a8e696f5f7a68f780d < has the same problem |
| 10:14.24 | Phoix | so should be able to sort it out.. :) |
| 10:34.26 | Phoix | hmm i have tried three differant versions of texinfo to get buildroot to recognise that i have makeinfo on my system but it keeps saying its missing?? |
| 10:35.49 | Phoix | am going to try a differant version of make now |
| 10:36.14 | Phoix | because this snapshot of buildroot should compile past binutils as i was compiling earlier on opensuse.. |
| 10:45.44 | Phoix | http://www.uclibc.org/lists/buildroot/2007-March/002269.html |
| 10:45.46 | Phoix | :) |
| 10:47.15 | Phoix | lol |
| 10:52.39 | methril | works? |
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| 11:08.26 | Phoix | yeah |
| 11:09.37 | Phoix | now that i think about it, its really logical that if the configure script is run before you install the package its looking for and then after installing the package you dont re-run configure, make isn't going to know where to look.. hehe |
| 11:11.37 | Phoix | methril do you live in america? |
| 11:11.47 | methril | no, why? |
| 11:12.16 | Phoix | just wondering as everyone else here seems to be asleep or away, i live in uk |
| 11:12.24 | methril | i live in Spain |
| 11:12.29 | Phoix | cool |
| 11:12.33 | methril | hehe |
| 11:12.39 | methril | everybody sais that |
| 11:12.43 | methril | do you know spain? |
| 11:12.54 | Phoix | no.. lol |
| 11:13.16 | Phoix | i've been to majorca before,, is that part of spain? |
| 11:16.24 | Phoix | on average with basically all packages selected minus a few, how long does all of buildroot take to compile? |
| 11:16.38 | Phoix | on a |
| 11:16.55 | Phoix | core 2 duo 2Ghz with 2GB ram |
| 11:18.16 | methril | it's |
| 11:18.39 | methril | it takes a while |
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| 11:32.15 | harpal_ | sorry wrong window |
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| 13:35.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: you awake? |
| 13:37.45 | GPSFan | prpplague: yes I think so ;>) |
| 13:37.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:38.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: you ever use git? |
| 13:38.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: only when i have to |
| 13:39.12 | GPSFan | I just got this fine error message, no clue what it means and it's impossible to google it: error: cannot unpack 002506a808b01f8f899dbc636dcb51073bec36b3 from .git/objects/pack/pack-ad3f4b9cee88ddb6741b6f9832f989057d8e5e90.pack |
| 13:39.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i don't like the way the history/revision of files are stored |
| 13:39.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: cosmic might be able to tell you |
| 13:39.56 | GPSFan | I'll ping hime when he shows up. thanks. |
| 13:41.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: i was thinking last night(yea i can do that) about the z2 |
| 13:41.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: what do you think about taking the guts of the z2 and putting it inside this - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3933917 |
| 13:51.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: the issues would be the keyboard and pointer interface. would you want to use the z2's display or the wally-world one? |
| 13:52.13 | GPSFan | the keyboard in the z2 is jsut a switch matrix, so it shouldn't bee to hard, the pointer is another matter. |
| 13:52.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: the z2 lcd |
| 13:52.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: which pointer are you refering to? |
| 13:53.40 | GPSFan | isn't that a trackpad on the vtech under the keyboard, or is it intended to be used with a mouse? |
| 13:54.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: the "trackpad" is basically identical to the pointer on the z2, 4 way switch with with a center switch |
| 13:54.34 | GPSFan | ah, I see. |
| 13:55.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: just desolder the connectors on the z2, wire up the keyboard |
| 13:55.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: i think it would be pretty easy |
| 13:55.42 | GPSFan | since the key matrix is built on the z2's main board you would have a lot of wires going to the vtec keys. |
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| 13:56.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, what i would do is build up a harness, solder all the wires to a connector interface |
| 13:56.28 | GPSFan | the display couldn't be extended, the connector is far too small for mere mortals to wire to. |
| 13:56.43 | GPSFan | good plan on the harness. |
| 13:57.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: i don't think extending the lcd would be that bad |
| 13:58.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll look some more though |
| 13:58.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: it was just a though |
| 13:58.21 | prpplague | thought |
| 13:58.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm planning to make a new rev of the small vtech stuff |
| 13:58.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: and this time document it |
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| 13:59.13 | GPSFan | I would have thought a hammer based vtech update would be more to your likeing. |
| 14:02.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: cost is also a factor |
| 14:02.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: i have plenty of hammer boards, but i wanted to keep the price of the whole project under $150 |
| 14:02.33 | prpplague | http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/29/iwo.jima.citizenship/index.html |
| 14:02.46 | prpplague | wonderful example of the speed at which USCIS moves |
| 14:03.23 | GPSFan | yep that's sure an issue, and now with the new z2 price structure, it makes a z2 guts based system far more affordable. |
| 14:03.41 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 14:08.49 | prpplague | hmm i really don't like the new page layout for sparkfun |
| 14:08.53 | prpplague | its too "busy" |
| 14:09.01 | RobotGuy | I don't care for that either. |
| 14:09.33 | RobotGuy | It also does not scale well when using Ctrl/+ to enlarge fonts. |
| 14:10.59 | RobotGuy | now has three different web servers and two instances of CherryPy running on the PC. |
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| 14:17.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I could only find 10V 2N7000's at Digi-Key. |
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| 14:26.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should be fine |
| 14:29.21 | prpplague | solar: hey, i've not seen any numbers for the price of those BUG modules |
| 14:29.36 | prpplague | solar: what kind of $$ or do you know? |
| 14:29.57 | solar | Not cheap. I dont even know the URL to the proper site. |
| 14:30.45 | solar | I'm trying to recall (mind you I had a few beers) but think it was somewhere around 120-200 for the main bug body |
| 14:30.57 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:31.06 | solar | beers at the BeerForge. Not beers this morning |
| 14:31.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:31.50 | prpplague | doesn't mind a beer for breakfast |
| 14:32.14 | prpplague | solar: gonna do a doc on hardware to do the sd/mmc card on the nail |
| 14:32.16 | CosmicPenguin | sometimes its mandatory |
| 14:32.24 | prpplague | solar: trying to decide on the easiest approach |
| 14:32.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: beer is optional, the rum shots are the ones that are mandatory |
| 14:33.03 | solar | One thats allow ppl to use the exisitng jumpers. |
| 14:33.23 | prpplague | solar: yea, the question is how much soldering and at what level |
| 14:34.02 | chouimat|work | cd |
| 14:34.10 | prpplague | permission denied |
| 14:34.25 | phoix | is it normal for the buildroot compile to have constant disk activity and have no running output when it reaches: /home/phoix/buildroot/toolchain_build_arm/gcc-4.3.1/gcc/tree-ssa-phiopt.c:1119: warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type |
| 14:35.06 | prpplague | phoix: buildroot generally reports everything |
| 14:35.12 | solar | IMO mostly any jobs that require real small IC's look like they would be problematic to solder. |
| 14:35.19 | prpplague | phoix: i suspect you probably have some process that isn't working properly |
| 14:35.32 | phoix | hmm, ok |
| 14:35.37 | prpplague | solar: this is just wire to wire |
| 14:37.15 | phoix | 15326 root 20 0 2300m 1.5g 4496 R 1.7 73.7 6:08.44 cc1 |
| 14:37.19 | prpplague | solar: trying to think more like what you can find around the house to do it |
| 14:37.39 | phoix | thats the process that its on |
| 14:37.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: To attache a microSD to Nail? |
| 14:38.24 | prpplague | solar: you access to any computer hardware bits and pieces |
| 14:38.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sd/microsd, haven't decided eyt |
| 14:38.36 | prpplague | yet |
| 14:38.44 | solar | prpplague: old floppy drives/power supplies contain a few useful jumpers. But if your instructions are as clear as something like these. http://www.ladyada.net/make/pshield/solder.html then it should be pretty stait fwd. |
| 14:39.01 | RobotGuy | My 4 GB microSD came with an SD adapter. |
| 14:39.06 | prpplague | looks |
| 14:39.51 | prpplague | solar: yea, i can do the instructions, its just choosing the right parts that most people have access to |
| 14:40.08 | prpplague | solar: a 2x10 idc cable would be the easiest |
| 14:40.17 | prpplague | looks to see what uses a 2x10 idc |
| 14:40.31 | RobotGuy | looks for the SFE breakout board |
| 14:42.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=544 |
| 14:43.21 | solar | I don't like that board myself. It wont sit flush with the nail when you cut the plastic |
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| 14:44.22 | solar | where this one does. http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=204 |
| 14:45.25 | RobotGuy | solar: It might be possible to just sit it on the 2x10 header. |
| 14:46.33 | prpplague | solar: yea the sfe one fits |
| 14:46.38 | prpplague | solar: you can make it with that |
| 14:47.05 | prpplague | solar: i was thinking on the lines of "parts around the house" method |
| 14:47.10 | prpplague | solar: but can do either way |
| 14:47.34 | RobotGuy | How many people are going to have an SFE breakout board just sitting around? ;) |
| 14:47.39 | prpplague | solar: the main item is going to be the 2x10 header |
| 14:47.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which is my point |
| 14:48.06 | solar | I only see 7 pins used for the 554 |
| 14:48.22 | prpplague | solar: for what? |
| 14:48.41 | solar | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/products/uSD-Breakout.jpg |
| 14:49.14 | prpplague | solar: right on 7 pins used but the header on the nail is a 2x10 |
| 14:49.57 | solar | none of which is really a power or ground right? So you would only use 5 pins off the 2x10 pins? |
| 14:50.30 | prpplague | solar: yea there is +5v and +3.3v on the header |
| 14:50.40 | prpplague | solar: are you wanting to solder directly to the pins? |
| 14:52.13 | solar | On the nail? Naa. No perm changes to it. ppl should be using the jumpers I'd think. |
| 14:52.36 | prpplague | solar: yea, just making sure |
| 14:52.45 | solar | And if ppl are making changes to the Nail itself. Then it's time for Rev.C |
| 14:53.18 | RobotGuy | What rev is the hammer module at? Bump that and change the JTAG header. :D |
| 14:53.25 | prpplague | solar: i think in the future we need to ship the nail with a small board with the 2x10 header and a small proto area |
| 14:53.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: rev2 , rev3 won;t happen untill we start running low on hammers |
| 14:54.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah, I knew that. Just wishing. :) |
| 14:54.33 | RobotGuy | plots to go throught the hammer supply fast. Muahahahahaahha.. :) |
| 14:54.34 | solar | prpplague: that drives the costs up. As is the nail/hammer is $$ and out of the reach of jr.devs etc that live in europe. |
| 14:54.53 | solar | so they end up opting for things like nslu2's which are far less open |
| 14:55.06 | prpplague | solar: you think $189 is too high? |
| 14:55.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Actually, with the amount of money these young folks have now, that would almost just be pocket change. |
| 14:56.12 | solar | I'd beg to differ. Most ppl imo want to spend $<100 USD |
| 14:56.54 | RobotGuy | I just got kicked on shipping for the stuff I ordered from Lynxmotion and Digi-Key. |
| 15:04.08 | prpplague | solar: yea, we'd have do alot more volume inorder to get the price down below $100, i.e $99 |
| 15:05.39 | prpplague | solar: gumstix is very popular, but for the life of me, i don't understand why |
| 15:06.07 | prpplague | solar: the base unit is cheap around $99, but you have to have so many other boards to even get something working that it ends up costing around $250 |
| 15:06.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't like their funky connectors and the fact you can really only put up to three boards together. |
| 15:07.10 | RobotGuy | I'd rather have an s3c2440a based board than a Gumstix. |
| 15:07.10 | prpplague | i expected the hammer to sell alot better than it has |
| 15:07.43 | RobotGuy | I would have liked having the missing serial port accessible. |
| 15:07.49 | RobotGuy | But that's just me. |
| 15:08.24 | RobotGuy | Only so much you can do with 40 pins though. Could some additional pins have been multiplexed with other functions? |
| 15:08.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, if we had it to do over we would have dropped the adc's and added the other uart |
| 15:08.46 | solar | prpplague: Re: selling. It's also exposure and a funcy little case.. |
| 15:09.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and we'd drop the LDO to have just 3.3v so you could do suspend/resume |
| 15:09.21 | prpplague | solar: fancy little case? |
| 15:09.31 | solar | hate to say it/ But Packing it everything to lots of ppl. (just look at all the iPhone junkies buying a lesser of a product. simply cuz it looks nice) |
| 15:10.11 | prpplague | fancy case for what? |
| 15:10.13 | RobotGuy | I doubt I will use the ADCs on the Hammer. I would need three just for my accelerometer. |
| 15:10.24 | solar | prpplague: Nail etc. |
| 15:10.51 | prpplague | solar: i can understand about the nail, but not sure how that applies to the hammer in general |
| 15:11.19 | solar | it does not apply to the Hammer as much cuz that is pretty bare bones ;) |
| 15:13.25 | prpplague | solar: what i'd really like to hear from are those people who looked at purchasing a hammer kit and decided not to |
| 15:13.31 | RobotGuy | solar: I am thinking about going to 6-32 hardware between the 2nd and 3rd decks on W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 15:13.32 | prpplague | solar: i'd like to know why |
| 15:13.57 | chouimat|work | prpplague: "have you heard about the new corduroy pillows? they're making headlines!" |
| 15:14.21 | RobotGuy | ~lart chouimat|work :P |
| 15:14.21 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after chouimat|work :P's head |
| 15:14.36 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ?? |
| 15:14.58 | solar | prpplague: sure. Whats your tct mail again? |
| 15:15.15 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I found it funny ;) |
| 15:15.21 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: I got the joke. :P |
| 15:15.27 | prpplague | solar: danders@tincantools.com |
| 15:15.40 | prpplague | solar: you have some folks with feedback? |
| 15:16.24 | solar | sent. |
| 15:18.50 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:19.46 | prpplague | solar: hmm, the EU folks seem concerned about shipping, USPS is pretty cheap |
| 15:21.04 | RobotGuy | Most folks outside the USA seem concerned about shipping costs. |
| 15:22.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i know i lived overseas for 3 years, but i guess people don't know that the USPS is very very inexpensive |
| 15:23.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't think it's the people. It's the companies doing the shipping outside the US. |
| 15:24.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't see how that applies to this since tct offers USPS service |
| 15:24.53 | RobotGuy | It doesn't apply to TCT. |
| 15:25.13 | RobotGuy | I didn't know TCT offered USPS. |
| 15:25.22 | RobotGuy | All my stuff has come UPS. |
| 15:25.42 | RobotGuy | (I think) |
| 15:25.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just because mr.herod sent it that way |
| 15:26.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: USPS is the default for overseas shipments |
| 15:26.10 | RobotGuy | Ahh. |
| 15:26.17 | prpplague | solar: shame about that one |
| 15:26.44 | RobotGuy | I shaved a whole dollar off shipping from DigiKey by selecting USPS. |
| 15:29.02 | prpplague | well down to 21mA |
| 15:29.14 | prpplague | wonder how much more i can get rid of |
| 15:29.27 | RobotGuy | goes back to trying to figure out how to connect lighttpd and cherokee to cherrypy. |
| 15:30.23 | CosmicPenguin | I would refuse to use those packages on account that the names are too cutesy |
| 15:31.04 | RobotGuy | Aside from cherrypy, I don't see anything cutesy. :P |
| 15:31.28 | CosmicPenguin | does cherokee have a relationship to apache? |
| 15:31.30 | CosmicPenguin | because if so..... |
| 15:31.33 | CosmicPenguin | thats cutesy |
| 15:32.03 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Not that I am aware of, but I think they wanted to connect the names for familiarity. |
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| 15:35.33 | RobotGuy | Now I remember why I wanted to use DJango instead of CherryPy. |
| 15:36.21 | RobotGuy | DDJango is way overkill, but the documentation is WAY better. |
| 15:37.32 | RobotGuy | And there is a LOT more of it. |
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| 15:52.59 | solar | prpplague: It's odd. We are supposed to be in a financial crisis in the states, but it's been my exp that nearly every student in the .eu is conerned about such things. |
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| 15:55.21 | RobotGuy | 100 GPB is $186.xx USD. What's wrong with that picture? |
| 15:57.40 | CosmicPenguin | we rule |
| 15:58.19 | RobotGuy | Funny Penguin |
| 15:59.26 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 15:59.26 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, that's redundant.. |
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| 15:59.33 | kergoth`work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.35 | prpplague | solar: i forwarded that to the boss |
| 15:59.38 | kergoth`work | what do you guys use, google groups, gmane..? |
| 15:59.55 | frikker | kergoth`work: good call. i'd like to know, too. i get overwhelmed easily. |
| 16:00.27 | CosmicPenguin | gmane + mutt news reader |
| 16:00.27 | kergoth`work | for the git list, i use gmane with it in my google reader as a feed, so i only see a new entry in there when there's a new thread |
| 16:00.33 | kergoth`work | not sure if itd be worth doing for the others though |
| 16:01.31 | solar | prpplague: notice however that he really did not seem to care about which device he used. he just opted for price.. And afaik he does not yet have his own custom firmware. |
| 16:01.59 | prpplague | solar: yea, i was kind of curious what he was going to do with the device |
| 16:02.30 | solar | I get the feeling he just wanted to own a ARM. |
| 16:03.03 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good choice, I've had mine for 32 years now |
| 16:03.12 | CosmicPenguin | shows himself to the door |
| 16:03.23 | RobotGuy | opens the door. :) |
| 16:03.47 | solar | put that ARM to use :p |
| 16:11.28 | prpplague | solar: anyway back to the sd docs |
| 16:11.45 | prpplague | solar: the main item that i need to find is something with a 2x10 header to use |
| 16:11.57 | prpplague | i can't think of any pc based parts that has that |
| 16:12.15 | prpplague | solar: of course you can order it |
| 16:12.29 | prpplague | solar: get some breakaway headers |
| 16:13.37 | prpplague | looks around |
| 16:13.42 | solar | I don't really need it. My image is only 4.3M with debug stuff enabled :) |
| 16:14.04 | prpplague | solar: yea, i'm mainly doing this for my own edification |
| 16:14.37 | prpplague | solar: i have probably a dozen items that i've done with the hammer, but haven't had time to write them up |
| 16:15.19 | solar | prpplague: then you need to set up a simple USB cam and a sensor to start recoding when you are in your lab. |
| 16:15.40 | prpplague | solar: why is that? |
| 16:15.46 | solar | insto-docs after the fact :) |
| 16:16.10 | prpplague | yea i don't care for those types of docs |
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| 16:21.57 | prpplague | ok down to 18mA |
| 16:22.05 | prpplague | still can't figure why it is soooo high |
| 16:22.11 | prpplague | that should be around 6mA |
| 16:23.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Some connectors for internal PC serial ports are 2x10. |
| 16:23.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: all the ones i have are 2x5 |
| 16:24.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Older connectors from older motherboards that had 25 pin serial ports. |
| 16:26.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: all the ones i have are 2x5 |
| 16:26.47 | RobotGuy | Use two, the're small. :) |
| 16:27.19 | prpplague | doesn't work like that |
| 16:27.53 | RobotGuy | looks for prpplague's sense of humor. :D |
| 16:28.05 | prpplague | i don't have one |
| 16:28.27 | RobotGuy | And you do embedded stuff? |
| 16:28.34 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:28.38 | RobotGuy | WoW |
| 16:29.33 | CosmicPenguin | if you have a sense of humor, best you get rid of it now |
| 16:29.40 | CosmicPenguin | it will destroy you |
| 16:29.55 | RobotGuy | It's all that keeps me going sometimes. :P |
| 16:33.32 | MothaWork | prpplague: without knowing what's on your board, I can't help much, but any suspects at this point? |
| 16:33.57 | MothaWork | if you don't mind modding the board, you can often cut a trace and chuck an ammeter in, but you'd need a true RMS one |
| 16:34.37 | MothaWork | or actually, one of the fancy integrating ones would work better probably |
| 16:35.02 | prpplague | MothaWork: slowly depopulating stuff for testing |
| 16:35.18 | prpplague | MothaWork: looks to possibly something on the 1.8v power supply |
| 16:35.31 | prpplague | MothaWork: going to put it into suspend and then shut off the 1.8v |
| 16:35.39 | MothaWork | that also works |
| 16:35.50 | MothaWork | how are you measuring the current, btw? |
| 16:35.59 | MothaWork | if it's a cheap multimeter, it's going to be wrong |
| 16:36.07 | MothaWork | current draw is so dynamic |
| 16:36.23 | MothaWork | even right at the input it is fairly spiky |
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| 16:50.27 | prpplague | MothaWork: i'm getting about 18mA and i expected it to be around 6mA |
| 16:57.06 | phoix | has anyone run into the problem of: checking for exception model to use... configure: error: unable to detect exception model ; when the buildroot compile gets to the configure script for Configuring in arm-linux-uclibcgnueabi/libobjc ? |
| 16:58.44 | phoix | this is with uClibc 0.9.29 |
| 16:58.55 | solar | thats not even a valid chost ;/ |
| 16:59.10 | solar | wonders who is breaking buildroot like that |
| 16:59.25 | RobotGuy | It's not me! :P |
| 17:00.07 | phoix | heh |
| 17:00.33 | RobotGuy | registers the domain breakingthings.com |
| 17:01.07 | phoix | so i should try a differant version of uclibc? |
| 17:02.17 | phoix | or is it a problem with my gcc version? |
| 17:02.44 | RobotGuy | phoix: Have you tried gcc 4.1.2? |
| 17:03.14 | phoix | lol no thats the only one out of all the ones available to choose from that i havent tried.. am going to try it now |
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| 17:42.28 | CosmicPenguin | anbody here style themselves a gnuplot expert? |
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| 17:51.32 | prpplague | is only a gnupoop expert |
| 17:55.18 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
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| 18:07.30 | RobotGuy | Oh gnuts. |
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| 18:30.31 | prpplague | solar: hehe you can solder pins directly to a microsd to sd card adapter and use it with the hammer |
| 18:30.38 | prpplague | solar: s/hammer/nail board |
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| 18:42.12 | prpplague | still haven't figured out where 12mA is being drawn on this system |
| 18:44.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, whole bunch of flame stuff going on around LAK about how the patch submission process not being very scheduled or documented |
| 18:45.07 | solar | prpplague: point me at the parts list if you want me to undertake said project |
| 18:45.49 | prpplague | solar: i'm still collecting info how the best way to do it |
| 18:46.04 | solar | actually. There is no reason I could not use the same Parallax PING sensor with the Nail? |
| 18:46.20 | solar | it's just +5VDC +GND +SIG |
| 18:46.48 | prpplague | solar: basically you'll need some breakaway female headers, a small piece of proto board, some right angle pin headers, and a couple of wires |
| 18:46.49 | solar | SIG should be TTL @ few mA |
| 18:46.53 | prpplague | solar: one sec |
| 18:47.13 | ds2 | join the OMAPs and take shelter in l-o instead of lak ;) |
| 18:47.53 | solar | www.parallax.com/tabid/176/List/1/ProductID/92/Default.aspx (productid) |
| 18:48.57 | chouimat|work | goes back to the "eeepc gentoo build" |
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| 18:51.29 | g1powermac_PB | heya prpplague and RobotGuy |
| 18:52.08 | prpplague | solar: back |
| 18:52.18 | prpplague | solar: let me look at the specs for that sensor |
| 18:52.28 | prpplague | solar: i suspec that it is +5v i/o |
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| 18:53.58 | prpplague | solar: yea, thats a +5v part |
| 18:54.17 | prpplague | solar: so you'll need to do something to interface to the +3.3v i/o on the hammer |
| 18:54.20 | prpplague | solar: looking now |
| 18:55.08 | prpplague | Bidirectional TTL pulse interface on a |
| 18:55.08 | prpplague | single I/O pin can communicate with 5 V |
| 18:55.08 | prpplague | TTL or 3.3 V CMOS microcontrollers |
| 18:55.25 | prpplague | solar: looks like the i/o should be fine |
| 18:55.29 | prpplague | solar: still reading |
| 19:01.05 | RobotGuy | solar: Is that your PING sensor? |
| 19:02.21 | prpplague | solar: yea, i'm finding a few posts about interfacing to 3.3v |
| 19:02.51 | RobotGuy | Sounds like a PING |
| 19:03.45 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I finally got my license today. . .now I just need a car ;-) |
| 19:04.04 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hi and good. |
| 19:10.04 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 19:13.41 | prpplague | wonder if there is a comparable sensor that is 3.3v based |
| 19:13.51 | prpplague | i hate that all of the robotics stuff is +%v |
| 19:13.53 | prpplague | +5v |
| 19:14.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah, and it will be that way for awhile. I have to deal with it all the time. |
| 19:14.45 | RobotGuy | Although there are more and more 3.3V sensors coming out all the time. :) |
| 19:14.48 | prpplague | solar: http://www.maxbotix.com/ |
| 19:15.00 | prpplague | solar: those 3.3v sensors might be better with the hammer |
| 19:15.28 | RobotGuy | I have a 3.3V compass module. |
| 19:15.42 | RobotGuy | And a 3.3V Bluetooth serial module. |
| 19:16.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Will the 10V 2n7000's I ordered work OK for level shifting between 3.3V and 5V? |
| 19:16.41 | prpplague | solar: that maxbotix one is even $2 cheaper than the parallax one |
| 19:17.06 | prpplague | as long as the rating is above +5v |
| 19:17.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It also has a farther minimum range than the PING has because it only has a single sensor/transducer. |
| 19:17.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, good, then they should work fine. |
| 19:17.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sorry i did not understand your statement |
| 19:18.05 | cbrake | prpplague: what is the latest on the Marvell 8686 driver vs libertas? |
| 19:18.06 | RobotGuy | The PING sensor can detect down to 2 cm easily. The Maxbotix sensors can't do that. |
| 19:18.16 | cbrake | prpplague: customer wants me to integrate some binary Marvell test app :-( |
| 19:18.32 | prpplague | cbrake: yikes |
| 19:18.34 | cbrake | prpplague: which I suspect probably talks to special features in the Marvell driver |
| 19:19.05 | prpplague | cbrake: from what i gather, marvell has pretty much stopped support of their reference driver |
| 19:19.12 | prpplague | cbrake: you still have to license the firmware |
| 19:19.26 | prpplague | cbrake: but the libertas driver in the kernel seems pretty reliable |
| 19:19.39 | prpplague | cbrake: i'm just getting geared up to some heaving testing of it |
| 19:20.20 | cbrake | prpplague: I've been given a zip file: MFG-SD-8686-LINUX26-BULVERDE-1.2.11.p0-bin |
| 19:20.39 | RobotGuy | However, the Maxbotix sensors have other pluses in their favor also - you can connect several together. |
| 19:20.49 | cbrake | prpplague: has a lab_tool directory ... |
| 19:20.55 | prpplague | cbrake: hmm, that kinda sounds old |
| 19:20.57 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:21.30 | prpplague | SD-8686-FEDORA26-8.73.7.p3-26340P58 |
| 19:21.30 | roxfan2 | afair bulverde is one of the pxa2xx cpus |
| 19:21.35 | prpplague | cbrake: thats what i have |
| 19:21.53 | cbrake | prpplague: do you have access to the Marvell development site for wifi products? I have access for PXA cpus, but they keep refusing to give me access to their wifi stuff :-( |
| 19:22.21 | prpplague | cbrake: no, we have to make requests thru our vendor |
| 19:22.42 | prpplague | cbrake: i'm under NDA and have a number of documents |
| 19:23.00 | prpplague | cbrake: but none other than the wlan subsystem doc are available publically |
| 19:24.18 | prpplague | cbrake: what kind of tests are they wanting to do? |
| 19:24.24 | cbrake | prpplague: no idea |
| 19:24.37 | cbrake | prpplague: the typical vague request -- we need this integrated so we can test :-) |
| 19:24.47 | cbrake | prpplague: so still working on that |
| 19:24.47 | prpplague | cbrake: lovely |
| 19:26.32 | prpplague | solar: .1" center headers will solder perfectly to a standard sd card adapter for microsd |
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| 19:38.17 | prpplague | solar: that turned out pretty good |
| 19:38.26 | prpplague | solar: have to be careful not to melt the plastic |
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| 19:54.41 | frikker | question for ya'll |
| 19:54.48 | frikker | we have a little touchscreen for our embedded device |
| 19:54.51 | frikker | (IT WORKS! IT WORKS!) |
| 19:54.55 | frikker | ... but anyways |
| 19:55.04 | frikker | is anyone familiar with a common keyboard control? |
| 19:55.12 | frikker | like an on-screen keyboard for text input via a touchscreen? |
| 19:55.15 | frikker | this is Xserver on linux |
| 19:55.17 | frikker | Gtk, etc. |
| 19:59.04 | frikker | solution: xkvbd |
| 19:59.16 | cbrake | frikker: I think matchbox window manager includes a keyboard |
| 20:02.57 | frikker | cbrake: thanks! how would I figure that out? |
| 20:03.42 | cbrake | frikker: build it and try it :-) |
| 20:03.52 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.evula.org/dragoon/pics/supercoder.jpg |
| 20:03.56 | frikker | we have matchbox up and running :) ... wonder where it is? |
| 20:04.44 | cbrake | frikker: org.openembedded.dev/packages/matchbox-keyboard -- looks like a separate package |
| 20:04.45 | prpplague | chouimat|work: cute |
| 20:04.53 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/pirate_keyboard.jpg |
| 20:05.07 | frikker | cbrake: ahh, it exists in the svn version of matchbox only right now |
| 20:05.14 | frikker | cbrake: but it is a revamp of xkvbd, so promising |
| 20:09.29 | frikker | cbrake: lets say that I have X running |
| 20:09.34 | frikker | cbrake: but only have console access |
| 20:09.47 | frikker | cbrake: do you know how i could run something from the console but have it pop up on the X server? |
| 20:09.53 | frikker | i have never really been able to get that one to work |
| 20:10.18 | prpplague | frikker: just export a display and start the app |
| 20:10.24 | frikker | ok |
| 20:10.32 | prpplague | solar: its up and running |
| 20:10.33 | frikker | export DISPLAY=.0:0 or something similar? |
| 20:10.40 | prpplague | frikker: yep |
| 20:10.50 | frikker | prpplague: thanks: |
| 20:10.51 | frikker | :) |
| 20:11.34 | prpplague | solar: microsd->sd adapter, .1" right angel headers, 2x10 female header, small piece of protoboard, and a few small wires |
| 20:21.10 | solar | prpplague: pics or it never happened! |
| 20:21.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:21.56 | prpplague | solar: trying to decide if i want to use the minisd adapter instead |
| 20:22.10 | prpplague | the .1" headers don't match |
| 20:22.16 | prpplague | but thats easy to wire |
| 20:23.44 | prpplague | solar: should the slot be expose to the outside? |
| 20:24.11 | solar | imo yes so the media is interchangeable for rapid testing |
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| 20:28.56 | prpplague | solar: the miniSD adapter is a better fit but harder |
| 20:29.00 | prpplague | solar: thoughts? |
| 20:42.47 | prpplague | solar: yea the miniSD seems to fit alot better |
| 20:47.17 | solar | thoughts on fits vs skill? |
| 20:48.16 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:48.56 | solar | it's still only 7 wires? It's harder cuz of pins are smaller? |
| 20:49.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:49.19 | solar | if so.. How about telling any kids. No dinner till you make 60 of these |
| 20:49.32 | solar | and put them on the tct site already made :) |
| 20:49.33 | prpplague | solar: ?? |
| 20:50.01 | solar | n/m was a joke. |
| 20:52.42 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 20:53.08 | prpplague | points solar to robotguys's comment about not having a sense of humor |
| 20:54.39 | prpplague | solar: i like the miniSD just not sure if its easy enough for most people |
| 20:54.53 | prpplague | notes that he regularly solders 402 packages |
| 21:02.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: I have had some issues with micro-to-minisd adapters being flakey. That's what I use for my z2's and sometimes they work sometimes not. Just an fyi, the only real minisd card I've got is in my wifes treo, I use micro for most things with mini & full size adapters. |
| 21:04.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm, not sure i followed all that |
| 21:04.36 | chouimat|work | micro is the latest ones? |
| 21:05.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: microSD to miniSD adapters aren't reliable? |
| 21:05.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: micro is the least common denominator, there are adapters to mini & full size. my experience is that micro to mini adapters can be flakey. |
| 21:05.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: interesting |
| 21:06.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: but you've only used the microSD with miniSD on your wife's treo? |
| 21:07.20 | GPSFan | YMMV but I have a nice toshiba one and 2 dealextreme ones and they all have had problems at one time or another. I've resorted to squeezing them in various places before putting the micro card in and that has mostly eliminated the problems. |
| 21:07.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh interesting |
| 21:07.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: what about the microSD to full size adapters? |
| 21:08.04 | GPSFan | I only have one real minisd card and that is in the treo. |
| 21:08.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok, so what do you use the microSD to miniSD adapter with? |
| 21:09.14 | GPSFan | the micro to full size adapters I have all work and never have problems. I think it is the thinness of the micro-mini adapters that is the problem |
| 21:09.35 | GPSFan | I use the micro to mini adapters with the z2. |
| 21:10.09 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 21:10.30 | prpplague | guess that settles it then |
| 21:11.06 | GPSFan | prpplague: so I guess the point is that if you build a device that uses minisd cards, people will use micro to mini adapters, and they can be flakey. |
| 21:11.32 | GPSFan | just my .02$ |
| 21:11.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry, there was some confusion, i'm just using the miniSD adapter |
| 21:12.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: basically as a cheap microSD socket |
| 21:15.37 | CosmicPenguin | taskjuggler is really neat |
| 21:15.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah... |
| 21:22.15 | CosmicPenguin | arduinio proto shield demo on make magazine for those interested |
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| 21:28.08 | prpplague | proto shield? |
| 21:28.11 | solar | thanks |
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| 22:26.41 | phoix | still having no luck with buildroot lol, i've just downloaed the a hopefully more up to date version using svn and its compiling now.. but i think i'm going to use scratchbox instead |
| 22:48.57 | solar | prpplague: protoshield = is the exp board for the avr/arduino. http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKAD6 |
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