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| 01:45.10 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 01:45.27 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi |
| 01:45.50 | g1powermac | parent's got me a dog for my birthday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2717552193/ :-) |
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| 06:46.08 | methril | morning |
| 06:46.20 | RobotGuy | evening |
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| 06:52.08 | phoix | can anyone see what i am not doing by this line when i try and run dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot; to build an arm version of ncurses: dpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type arm-linux-uclibc, falling back to default (native compilation)? |
| 06:55.23 | RobotGuy | Have you checked on #debian? |
| 06:55.26 | methril | your $ARCH env var? |
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| 07:01.28 | phoix | i have SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH=arm set |
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| 07:23.08 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
| 07:24.03 | RobotGuy | waits.. |
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| 13:20.55 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:20.59 | prpplague | merry freaking thursday |
| 13:22.40 | RobotGuy | Greetings |
| 13:23.21 | methril|lunch | morning RobotGuy |
| 13:23.36 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 13:23.38 | purl | landley <n=landley@cpe-70-116-30-223.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 10d 23h 55m 23s ago, saying: 'Sigh. I need to drag Denys into this channel, don't I?'. |
| 13:24.33 | RobotGuy | ~seen me |
| 13:24.34 | purl | me <n=me@89.243.150.148> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 34d 20h 13m 50s ago, saying: 'whatsup?'. |
| 13:26.01 | prpplague | wonder why landley hasn't been around lately |
| 13:26.37 | RobotGuy | I don't know. He was here for a very brief instant the last time I saw him. |
| 13:27.14 | prpplague | landley gets bored with stuff quickly |
| 13:29.10 | RobotGuy | I can relate to that. I get bored easily if I can't get things working in a reasonable amount of time. |
| 13:31.48 | prpplague | doesn't make for good business |
| 13:32.28 | RobotGuy | I don't have a business. |
| 13:33.12 | RobotGuy | I also get bored and tend to want to move on to other things if I can't get help to fix broken things within a reasonable timeframe. |
| 13:33.50 | prpplague | yea i know that, but i have to pay the bills, so staying focused is extremely important |
| 13:36.21 | prpplague | http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/07/30/esquire-to-geeks-hac.html |
| 13:36.32 | prpplague | definetlly gonna pick up about 4 or 5 of those |
| 13:38.18 | RobotGuy | Yes, I know you have to stay focused like that. I have to pay bills too though, and I am way behind right now. :( |
| 13:38.29 | RobotGuy | The e-paper thing is very interesting. |
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| 13:44.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i meant i have to stay focused on specific projects so they get completed and i keep my job |
| 13:45.12 | RobotGuy | Oh, I understand that. |
| 13:45.21 | RobotGuy | Deadlines. |
| 13:45.39 | RobotGuy | I can't do tight deadlines, which is one of my big problems. |
| 13:46.05 | RobotGuy | I can't be put under presure of any kind either. Deadlines do that to me. |
| 13:46.18 | RobotGuy | Even if I know I can get done way before the deadline. |
| 13:48.37 | prpplague | wow we have a resaler - http://www.robotcraft.ca/webshop/Controllers/c22/p250/Nail-Kit---ARM9-Robot-Controller/product_info.html |
| 13:49.49 | RobotGuy | I wonder if TCT has considered approaching http://microcontrollershop.com/ |
| 13:50.34 | prpplague | rusty mentioned that when he gets back from LWE, that he's going to see about making a deal with some of the resalers like SFE and microcontrollershop |
| 13:50.48 | prpplague | as well as possibly drop the price on the hammer |
| 13:51.00 | RobotGuy | Oh wow. |
| 13:51.19 | RobotGuy | I think SFE would be a very appropriate reseller for TCT stuff. |
| 13:51.27 | prpplague | but thats just rumor as far as i know, i don't have anything to do with the business stuff |
| 13:51.28 | RobotGuy | As would Microcontroller Shop. |
| 13:51.34 | RobotGuy | I know. |
| 13:51.45 | prpplague | SFE wants to much of a discount |
| 13:51.52 | prpplague | s/to/too |
| 13:51.53 | RobotGuy | Really? |
| 13:51.56 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:52.00 | RobotGuy | Too bad. |
| 13:52.21 | RobotGuy | Althought, oh, wait, never mind. That's a Rusty thing. :) |
| 13:52.39 | RobotGuy | I keep getting ideas. |
| 13:53.15 | RobotGuy | My kitty is being extremely annoying this morning. |
| 13:53.46 | prpplague | wow another resaler - http://www.imrobotics.com/Hammer-Kit_p_7-76.html |
| 13:53.56 | RobotGuy | My housing could be in jeopardy. |
| 13:54.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i said, i think rusty was disappointed with the sales, so i think he's probably going to go with SFE if he can |
| 13:54.30 | prpplague | sales have been no where near what we expected |
| 13:54.41 | RobotGuy | It might increase volume, if nothing else. |
| 13:54.53 | RobotGuy | I've been spreading the word where ever I can. |
| 13:55.07 | harpal | prpplague: what you'r company sellling? |
| 13:55.55 | RobotGuy | harpal: http://www.tincantools.com and http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board |
| 13:56.24 | RobotGuy | I do not work for TinCanTools. |
| 13:56.39 | RobotGuy | I just break things. |
| 13:57.04 | prpplague | harpal: not my company, just help out |
| 13:57.48 | harpal | prpplague: help out RobotGuy? |
| 13:58.05 | prpplague | harpal: i'm sorry i did not understand your question |
| 13:58.09 | RobotGuy | harpal: No, not me. I help out TCT and prpplague when I can. |
| 13:58.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Helps TCT also. |
| 13:58.34 | RobotGuy | TCT = TinCanTools |
| 13:58.34 | harpal | ok |
| 13:58.52 | harpal | prpplague: RobotGuy has clear the things |
| 13:59.02 | harpal | brb |
| 13:59.22 | RobotGuy | My brain is working fairly well this morning. |
| 13:59.43 | RobotGuy | I have not slept yet. |
| 14:00.56 | RobotGuy | sighs |
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| 14:38.52 | RobotGuy | doesn't quite know what to do - head hurts and chest hurts. |
| 14:40.57 | solar | try a few shots of jack and then go to sleep |
| 14:44.39 | RobotGuy | I don't have any of that. |
| 14:45.03 | RobotGuy | Had to exit a couple channels I was on. |
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| 15:33.40 | [blackb] | hi all i have an Renesas SH7760 but i have same problems about video drivers sameone could help me plz o tell me where i could found same info? |
| 15:34.51 | RobotGuy | [blackb]: Did you try where you got your SH7760 kit from? |
| 15:35.02 | CosmicPenguin | Its scary when you put your schedule in a schedule program and figure out you are booked until the 3rd week in January |
| 15:35.06 | CosmicPenguin | oops |
| 15:35.18 | [blackb] | Renesas |
| 15:35.22 | RobotGuy | Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek, how DID you do that, CosmicPenguin? |
| 15:35.43 | [blackb] | but i have problem about video drivers |
| 15:36.13 | RobotGuy | [blackb]: You would still probably get better support if you talk to Renesas. |
| 15:36.27 | prpplague | [blackb]: are you running software they provided? |
| 15:36.34 | [blackb] | yes sure |
| 15:36.42 | [blackb] | but the motherboad video |
| 15:36.46 | [blackb] | dosnt' work |
| 15:37.22 | [blackb] | problem with disquere C |
| 15:37.30 | RobotGuy | [blackb]: Did you just get your SH7760 kit from Renesas? |
| 15:37.43 | [blackb] | yes sure |
| 15:38.22 | RobotGuy | [blackb]: Then you need to get support from Renesas. If there is a hardware problem, they should get it fixed for you. |
| 15:38.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know liam girdwood very well? |
| 15:39.13 | CosmicPenguin | I've met him IRL before |
| 15:39.31 | CosmicPenguin | He's gotten to be more important, and I haven't been as active in the OE crowd since then |
| 15:39.53 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Are you a suck up? :) |
| 15:39.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's on irc ? |
| 15:40.31 | CosmicPenguin | He used to be |
| 15:40.35 | CosmicPenguin | I don't see his nick on #oe right now |
| 15:40.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mind if i ask what his nick is? |
| 15:41.13 | CosmicPenguin | I don't remember exactly |
| 15:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | I think it started with a l |
| 15:41.37 | CosmicPenguin | lrg maybe? |
| 15:42.13 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 15:43.41 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:44.54 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 15:45.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder how responsive he would be if i just sent him an email out of the blue |
| 15:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure he would be cool with it- he's a nice guy |
| 15:46.08 | CosmicPenguin | engineering type |
| 15:46.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's probably inversely proportional to how important he is. :) |
| 15:46.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the EE is driving me nuts again |
| 15:46.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's telling the boss that their is no windows CE driver for the wolfson WM8750 |
| 15:46.55 | CosmicPenguin | can't get the picture of the pirate with the ships wheel in his pants out of his head |
| 15:46.58 | RobotGuy | sends W.A.L.T.E.R. to, ummmm, "deal" with the EE. |
| 15:46.59 | CosmicPenguin | sorry |
| 15:47.07 | CosmicPenguin | bangs his head against the wall |
| 15:47.48 | chouimat|work | sends a few kegs to prpplague |
| 15:47.52 | RobotGuy | Pirate? Ship's Wheel? Pants? What is sooooooooooo wrong with this picture? |
| 15:50.17 | CosmicPenguin | You haven't heard that joke? |
| 15:51.44 | chouimat|work | no |
| 15:52.39 | RobotGuy | I guess I haven't heard it either. |
| 15:52.51 | CosmicPenguin | Guy walks up to a pirate who is standing on the pier with a ships wheel in his pants |
| 15:52.59 | CosmicPenguin | Guy says, 'whats up with the wheel' |
| 15:53.06 | CosmicPenguin | pirate says - arrgh - its driving me nuts |
| 15:53.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Would removing the USB connector and connecting it direct to the Nail improve detection of a USB device? |
| 15:53.33 | RobotGuy | And of course it would void the warantee on said device. |
| 15:53.50 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Ha ha. |
| 15:54.39 | RobotGuy | Thankfully, I have more pleasant images in my head. |
| 15:55.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cute |
| 15:55.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i doubt it |
| 15:55.47 | CosmicPenguin | its fun when you can do the voice |
| 15:55.53 | CosmicPenguin | everybody loves talking like a pirate |
| 15:57.19 | prpplague | well i sent an email, we'll see if i get a response |
| 15:57.19 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmm. I don't understand why my USB devices are not being consistantly enumerated. |
| 15:57.39 | RobotGuy | puts the plank out for CosmicPenguin |
| 15:58.53 | RobotGuy | Now, if the Pirate was a lady.. That might be a contradiction though, or at least an oxymoron. |
| 15:59.57 | CosmicPenguin | I apologize to Anne Bonney |
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| 16:01.03 | RobotGuy | Even though DJango is way over kill for use on W.A.L.T.E.R. for the web interface, I may use it instead of CherryPy. The judge is still in chambers on that one. |
| 16:05.26 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 16:21.38 | prpplague | wonders what time it is in the UK |
| 16:21.49 | solar | prpplague: so did you ever manage to dig up a cam to take a pic of the *SD work you did yesterday about this time? |
| 16:22.44 | prpplague | solar: sorry no, i was doing that between builds, i had intended to do it this morning, however i'm having to deal with office politics and our EE from hell |
| 16:22.48 | solar | I never really could answer you yesterday on skill levels cuz.. pics are worth a thousand words to fully understand what you accomplished. |
| 16:23.02 | solar | ahh. fair enough |
| 16:23.17 | prpplague | solar: yea, GPSFan convinced me not to use the miniSD adapter |
| 16:23.32 | prpplague | solar: i've worked a slightly easier way to to do it |
| 16:26.27 | prpplague | hmm its 5:30pm in the UK, so i doubt i'll hear anything back today |
| 16:36.04 | prpplague | bummer |
| 16:40.33 | solar | prpplague: Re: No MiniSD. Cuz the mini was to small and required a tad more advanced soldiering skills? |
| 16:41.08 | prpplague | solar: plus GPSFan reported that many of the microSD to miniSD have reliability problems |
| 16:43.54 | solar | so you are thinking full size SD? |
| 16:44.16 | prpplague | solar: planning to use the full size SD adapter |
| 16:44.24 | prpplague | solar: microSD card with a standard SD adapter |
| 16:51.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there problem(s) with specific brands? |
| 16:51.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i only know that GPSFan reported reliability issues |
| 16:54.02 | prpplague | http://www.gdsdynamics.com/content/smdk6400 |
| 17:00.51 | RobotGuy | Gee, only $3000.00 |
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| 17:08.41 | solar | prpplague: so this one? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=204 |
| 17:09.21 | prpplague | solar: you know how you get a SD adapter when you purchase a microSD card? |
| 17:09.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's what I got with my 4 GB SanDisk micro SD card. |
| 17:09.55 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8163 |
| 17:09.59 | prpplague | solar: like that one |
| 17:10.18 | prpplague | solar: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/products/08163-02-L.jpg |
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| 17:10.27 | prpplague | solar: see the contacts on the SD adapter? |
| 17:10.33 | prpplague | solar: talking about soldering to that |
| 17:11.23 | solar | oh my |
| 17:11.51 | prpplague | solar: too hard? |
| 17:13.17 | solar | seems a little insane to me to not use a breakout board of some sort. |
| 17:14.25 | solar | soldering directly to the flash is a good way to ruin it I'd think. Make it incompat with almost all the other projects one might want to use the flash on/with |
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| 17:14.42 | prpplague | solar: not soldering directly to the flash |
| 17:14.51 | prpplague | solar: we are soldering to the adapter |
| 17:15.07 | GPSFan | prpplague: the microsd to minisd adapters are just pcb's. I don't think there are even extra bypass caps inside, so the problem is purely mechanical. Probably having to do with how thin they are. \ |
| 17:15.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, thats kind of what i found as well |
| 17:16.09 | GPSFan | I've only tried 3. a Toshiba, and 2 dealextreme, all had issues, but "bending/squishing" has improbed all their operation. |
| 17:16.34 | prpplague | solar: when you purchase a microSD, you usually get a standard SD card adapter with it |
| 17:16.41 | prpplague | solar: just like the one on SFE |
| 17:17.01 | prpplague | solar: if you solder to the SD card adapter, you can still insert/remove the microSD from the adapter |
| 17:17.49 | solar | prpplague: much better. I thought you were going real low level/budget on us |
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| 17:19.55 | prpplague | solar: hehe, this is still pretty low budget |
| 17:20.06 | prpplague | solar: since when you buy the microSD you get the adapter |
| 17:20.25 | prpplague | solar: all you need is some wire, some protopcb, and a 2x10 header |
| 17:21.06 | prpplague | solar: maybe some hotglue or double sided tape |
| 17:21.27 | prpplague | solar: although you could hold it down with a small piece of wire |
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| 17:22.02 | prpplague | puts in a request for a smdk6400 |
| 17:22.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: what are you building? |
| 17:22.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: just a cheap microSD connection to the nail board |
| 17:23.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: a DIY |
| 17:23.12 | GPSFan | ah, sounds good |
| 17:23.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: if i see there is a demand i can do a board layout |
| 17:23.44 | prpplague | man i was sure hope'n to hear back from wolfson today |
| 17:23.45 | solar | nice. SF finally posted the pics from OSCON. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossturk/sets/72157606450375826/ |
| 17:24.16 | prpplague | looks |
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| 17:25.02 | prpplague | solar: are those real tats? |
| 17:25.36 | solar | yes. http://digg.com/linux_unix/SourceForge_giving_away_OSS_tattoos_at_OSCON |
| 17:25.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:25.47 | prpplague | cool |
| 17:26.07 | solar | should be easy to guess which one was me |
| 17:27.32 | prpplague | solar: which one is yours? |
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| 17:45.10 | solar | The last one :) |
| 17:47.46 | prpplague | solar: the pcb one? |
| 17:58.34 | solar | ya. the idea was based on a theremin. http://www.thereminworld.com/pics/schematics/SiliconChip/sc-pcb.gif |
| 17:58.51 | solar | just made a bit more generic. |
| 18:00.14 | RobotGuy | I don't think I could ever get a tatoo. |
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| 18:05.05 | solar | is a fan of body art |
| 18:13.52 | RobotGuy | I never would have guessed.. :P |
| 18:14.09 | RobotGuy | saw solar in a t-shirt |
| 18:27.15 | g1powermac_PB | is unsure about tattoos |
| 18:29.48 | g1powermac_PB | might get a binary encoded tattoo one day |
| 18:39.43 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 18:41.02 | RobotGuy | It's a good thing I am in the habit of checking my money balances before I go off to buy anything. |
| 18:42.01 | RobotGuy | Real Networks charged me for a subscription I had already cancelled. |
| 18:42.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i've heard some of those "end-of-the-world" people say that the "mark of the beast" will be a tattoo'd barcode with some aspect of 666 being part of the code |
| 18:43.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If that sort of thing happens, it will more likely be some sort of implanted chip similar to what is being done with pets now. |
| 18:44.55 | RobotGuy | We are already moving towards the universal ID. |
| 19:13.09 | prpplague | wonder what the interface on that epaper is going to be like |
| 19:15.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: do you know when that oct issue will be out? that looks like a cool project to hack on. |
| 19:16.21 | g1powermac | prpplague, oh yea, I've been told that as well |
| 19:16.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry, just what i've read on boingboing |
| 19:18.30 | prpplague | wow good article -http://www.techworld.com.au/article/199644/e-paper_support_linux |
| 19:18.34 | prpplague | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/199644/e-paper_support_linux |
| 19:24.33 | g1powermac | huh, amazing |
| 19:24.42 | RobotGuy | sighs |
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| 19:25.12 | g1powermac | resurrected his ancient apple laser writer 4/600 and the thing not only works, but mac os x works with it without a single driver issue |
| 19:25.40 | RobotGuy | does NOT like the new Firefox. |
| 19:26.07 | kergoth`work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.16 | kergoth`work | still has as ways to go on resource usage, but its getting there |
| 19:26.32 | g1powermac_PB | kergoth`work: absolutely |
| 19:26.43 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: It does not handle images gracefully when the page is enlarged with Ctrl/Numpad+ |
| 19:27.12 | kergoth`work | how so? |
| 19:27.28 | RobotGuy | It tries to enlarge the images also, but they just turn into black blotches. |
| 19:27.34 | kergoth`work | it seems fine here, blows up the images and text |
| 19:27.38 | kergoth`work | works just fine on these |
| 19:27.48 | RobotGuy | Maybe I just need to rebuild it then. |
| 19:27.49 | kergoth`work | http://issaris.blogspot.com/2007/12/download-linux-kernel-sourcecode-from.html is the page i'm trying it on |
| 19:29.12 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 19:29.47 | RobotGuy | just got on the wrong side of an op on #django. Oh, woe is me, what will I ever do? |
| 19:31.12 | g1powermac_PB | loves setting up printers in mac os as long as its got a built in driver in mac os |
| 19:32.14 | RobotGuy | Sorry for the display of attitude, but that kind of person really irks me. |
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| 19:34.38 | RobotGuy | Chocobo: Hi there! |
| 19:34.50 | Chocobo | Yo |
| 19:35.04 | RobotGuy | Half a yo yo. ;) |
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| 20:40.04 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:40.47 | prpplague | ds2: man sakoman can sure have an attitude |
| 20:41.42 | MothaWork | prpplague: any experience with Freescale i.MX? |
| 20:41.57 | prpplague | not recently |
| 20:42.17 | MothaWork | ok |
| 20:42.24 | MothaWork | we're looking at various things here |
| 20:42.27 | MothaWork | I know you like the Samsung ones |
| 20:42.51 | prpplague | MothaWork: well, i'm not particular to any one arm device, just arm in general |
| 20:42.59 | MothaWork | I see |
| 20:43.13 | prpplague | MothaWork: samsung just happens to be the easiest to work with with in smaller qty right now |
| 20:43.33 | MothaWork | our sales contacts are saying that Freescale is easier on low volume than Samsung |
| 20:44.08 | prpplague | low volume == 5k units ?? |
| 20:44.44 | MothaWork | 3-10k |
| 20:44.48 | MothaWork | so in there, yes |
| 20:45.17 | prpplague | thats surprising |
| 20:45.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: which iMX are you looking at? |
| 20:46.32 | MothaWork | 31 and 27 |
| 20:46.53 | kergoth`work | any of you guys mess with the kernel tracing stuff like ftrace? |
| 20:46.55 | kergoth`work | pretty nifty |
| 20:48.11 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea those are pretty hearty devices |
| 20:48.27 | MothaWork | prpplague: indeed |
| 20:48.31 | MothaWork | very media oriented |
| 20:48.33 | MothaWork | which is what we need |
| 20:49.12 | prpplague | pretty good support for those, openocd has some arm11 support |
| 20:49.26 | prpplague | probably the major issue you are going to have is the bga pitch size |
| 20:49.33 | MothaWork | apparently the "official" toolchains from Freescale are Linux hosted |
| 20:49.38 | prpplague | but you'll have that with any arm11 just about |
| 20:49.41 | MothaWork | indeed; they are 0.65 |
| 20:50.43 | MothaWork | many ARM9s have pitch size issues |
| 20:50.49 | MothaWork | they're all targeted towards portable stuff |
| 20:50.59 | MothaWork | that said, for this application, size is something of a concern, so that may not be all bad |
| 20:51.05 | MothaWork | just makes the PCBs damn expensive |
| 20:51.14 | prpplague | exactly |
| 21:09.59 | g1powermac | meh, I need to get a usb floppy drive |
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