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| 00:24.55 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, good news, I got serial comms working on the z2 :-) |
| 00:26.16 | prpplague | cool cool |
| 00:26.54 | g1powermac_apl | I got access to blob and the main system |
| 00:27.08 | g1powermac_apl | though minicom crashed the first time it loaded |
| 00:27.17 | prpplague | doh |
| 00:27.47 | g1powermac_apl | and there's no job control either. . .must watch my use of ping ;-) |
| 00:28.52 | prpplague | hehe indeed, do an alias |
| 00:29.00 | prpplague | ping -c 5 |
| 00:29.14 | g1powermac_apl | yea |
| 00:29.43 | prpplague | woot |
| 00:29.45 | prpplague | doc time |
| 00:29.48 | g1powermac_apl | also it doesn't seem to resolve domain names, I need to manually type IP addresses |
| 00:30.00 | prpplague | thats odd |
| 00:30.12 | prpplague | sounds like it didn't set up the resolve.conf |
| 00:30.16 | g1powermac_apl | not sure if its the version of ping included in busybox thats doing it |
| 00:30.26 | g1powermac_apl | might be |
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| 00:30.53 | g1powermac_apl | hey RobotGuy |
| 00:30.57 | prpplague | final doc for awhile |
| 00:31.00 | prpplague | looks to be good |
| 00:31.04 | prpplague | 1.5 hours long |
| 00:31.09 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi |
| 00:31.35 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, I got serial comms working on my z2 :-) |
| 00:31.43 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Very cool! |
| 00:32.09 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, interesting in resolve.conf its showing my router's IP address as a nameserver |
| 00:32.15 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: I need to take my router (WRT54GL) apart and fit it with a serial connector. |
| 00:32.51 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Not interesting at all.. Expected, assuming your router has settings to put DNS server information into. |
| 00:32.53 | g1powermac_apl | which should be right |
| 00:32.58 | g1powermac_apl | yea |
| 00:33.02 | g1powermac_apl | just realized that ;-) |
| 00:33.28 | g1powermac_apl | but the entry in total is different than whats on my linux machine now |
| 00:33.50 | RobotGuy | Theoretically, you should be able to just have one nameserver (your router), but I never totally trust that. |
| 00:33.58 | g1powermac_apl | the main thing being this '-n' line that starts it |
| 00:34.07 | RobotGuy | route -n ?? |
| 00:34.14 | g1powermac_apl | just -n |
| 00:34.25 | g1powermac_apl | -n |
| 00:34.25 | g1powermac_apl | search natcky.rr.com |
| 00:34.25 | g1powermac_apl | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:34.31 | g1powermac_apl | thats what it has |
| 00:34.31 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm. Don't know about that one. |
| 00:34.45 | g1powermac_apl | my linux machine has this: |
| 00:34.47 | g1powermac_apl | domain natcky.rr.com |
| 00:34.48 | g1powermac_apl | search natcky.rr.com |
| 00:34.48 | g1powermac_apl | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:34.59 | RobotGuy | Well, I've spent my quota on toys now, for this month. |
| 00:35.24 | RobotGuy | That isn't correct for the domain though. |
| 00:35.43 | RobotGuy | Is your machine name natcky? |
| 00:35.58 | g1powermac_apl | no |
| 00:36.08 | RobotGuy | Oh, then it may be right. |
| 00:36.26 | g1powermac_apl | my machine name is ammoputer |
| 00:36.42 | RobotGuy | I never use the search and domain in my resov.conf. Tends to slow lookups down some. |
| 00:36.53 | RobotGuy | resolv.conf even |
| 00:37.04 | g1powermac_apl | this is what ping tells me: ping: bad address 'google.com' |
| 00:37.29 | RobotGuy | You need to put the real nameservers for your ISP into resolv.conf |
| 00:37.43 | RobotGuy | The real IPs for them. |
| 00:38.15 | RobotGuy | Things will work then. :) |
| 00:38.34 | g1powermac_apl | problem is changes to resolv.conf don't stay with reboot |
| 00:38.40 | RobotGuy | What distro? |
| 00:38.50 | g1powermac_apl | zipit distro :-) |
| 00:39.00 | RobotGuy | Arrrrrrrrrrgh |
| 00:39.24 | RobotGuy | Look in /etc/network for network config files. Also /etc/conf.d |
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| 00:40.11 | RobotGuy | Also /etc/rc.conf if that system uses it |
| 00:41.04 | RobotGuy | Also check /etc/inittab |
| 00:41.27 | g1powermac_apl | man, the other two dogs have not shutup since about 7pm. . . |
| 00:42.09 | GPSFan | g1powermac: sounds like you have blob! |
| 00:42.13 | g1powermac_apl | luckily the new pup is completely ignoring them |
| 00:42.18 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, yupper! |
| 00:42.30 | GPSFan | you got yor jtag hooked up yet? |
| 00:42.35 | g1powermac_apl | not yet |
| 00:42.40 | g1powermac_apl | just serial |
| 00:42.52 | g1powermac_apl | want to see how far I get with the serial stuff first |
| 00:43.02 | RobotGuy | kicks Konversation |
| 00:43.07 | GPSFan | let me know when you are ready, there are a few trix to getting blob running under jtag |
| 00:43.31 | g1powermac_apl | btw, I really enjoyed soldering up my max3233 board with my new iron. . .not sure why that was so enjoyable ;-) |
| 00:43.41 | g1powermac_apl | alrighty |
| 00:43.51 | GPSFan | using good tools is often pleasureable. |
| 00:44.18 | g1powermac_apl | btw, do you have the same issue with ping? |
| 00:44.31 | GPSFan | what issues is that? |
| 00:44.41 | g1powermac_apl | it doesn't resolve any domain names |
| 00:44.47 | g1powermac_apl | it wants actual ip addresses |
| 00:44.55 | GPSFan | yoou mean in blob? |
| 00:45.11 | g1powermac_apl | no, directly in the z2 linux system when running the z2shell hack |
| 00:45.47 | GPSFan | no, mine works fine. the orig z2shell is somewhat of a hack and needs a lot of TLC to be useful. |
| 00:47.01 | RobotGuy | I got my new spool of WW wire today. :) |
| 00:48.46 | GPSFan | g1powermac: if you want to try the rootfs that I have built for the z2 try: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/gKOTSG3woBjam0A1vIJBua3XyR0e8jLwtWK0-3mDAqZapIQokmuljDZsm4dELvxZGvY2sWFehGKOZ6GACQ9-6tcuMXV5/uclibc_image.4.tar.bz2 |
| 00:48.58 | GPSFan | you gotta be logged into the yahoo group |
| 00:50.25 | GPSFan | g1powermac: you will need to change the essid of the ap , it's hard wired atm, with no security. |
| 00:51.31 | GPSFan | g1powermac: in /etc/init.d/S30debug |
| 00:51.47 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, alrighty, thanks |
| 00:52.29 | GPSFan | btw, the dropbear keys are not unique so you may want to regenerate them, but it should work. |
| 00:55.18 | GPSFan | g1powermac: and your ap needs to be running dhcp so the z2 can get an ip, dns servers, etc. |
| 00:55.29 | g1powermac_apl | yea, I got that going |
| 00:55.35 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: It can't use static IP? |
| 00:55.56 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, hmm, does the zipit spit out random characters every so often? |
| 00:56.11 | g1powermac_apl | wonder if something funky is going on with my serial board |
| 00:56.22 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: of course it can, it's just that the stuff I pointed g1powermac at uses dhcp. |
| 00:56.32 | RobotGuy | Oh |
| 00:57.06 | GPSFan | g1powermac: out the serial port under blob? or once the z2app is up? |
| 00:58.34 | g1powermac_apl | under the z2shell |
| 00:58.53 | GPSFan | on the screen? |
| 00:59.01 | g1powermac_apl | on minicom |
| 00:59.36 | GPSFan | I've never seen random chars come out the serial port. |
| 01:00.04 | GPSFan | unless the z2 was turned off. |
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| 01:07.46 | RobotGuy | Well, I am all setup to connect stuff up to hammer on my carrier board when I get my parts from DigiKey and Lynxmotion. |
| 01:09.44 | RobotGuy | Just have to solve my dev env troubles. |
| 01:11.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are the datasheets for those color displays available? |
| 01:12.55 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, yea, its weird |
| 01:13.09 | g1powermac_apl | oh, I think its from the screensaver like thing |
| 01:15.09 | GPSFan | the vfat/rootfs I pointed you has the screen saver timeout turned off. It also has some userland programs that may be of use. |
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| 01:16.26 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 01:16.27 | GPSFan | dropbear, devmem2, strace, gdb, gdbserver, fbv (framebuffer jpeg viewer), iperf, wavemon. |
| 01:17.37 | g1powermac_PB | cool |
| 01:17.59 | g1powermac_PB | so you use blob to do the flash loading? |
| 01:19.19 | GPSFan | not yet. just boot from the sd card. |
| 01:19.29 | GPSFan | http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/photos/browse/a69a some screenshots |
| 01:20.15 | GPSFan | untill we want to replace the kernel, it makes more sense to experiment with userland stuff by booting off the sd card. |
| 01:20.37 | g1powermac_PB | k |
| 01:21.34 | GPSFan | g1powermac: wait till you see how nice the screen is using fbv to display a nice jpeg. |
| 01:21.40 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, my chair controller seems to act up more when it's humid out or warm weather. |
| 01:21.58 | GPSFan | the screenshot on yahoo doesn't do it justice. |
| 01:23.06 | g1powermac_PB | thats really nice |
| 01:24.30 | GPSFan | you can also mount a remote dir via nfs, edit /usr/bin/go1 and change the ip of your nfs server. |
| 01:25.37 | RobotGuy | Apparently only members of that group can see the pictures. |
| 01:25.55 | g1powermac_PB | yup |
| 01:26.30 | RobotGuy | That kind of inhibits enticing new members to some degree. |
| 01:26.39 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: each yahoo group is different some are set so you must be logged in to even read messages, some are more open. |
| 01:26.54 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I know. |
| 01:27.06 | GPSFan | some suck worse than others.... |
| 01:27.11 | GPSFan | cul... dinner... |
| 01:27.41 | RobotGuy | I'm not joining just to see pictures. |
| 01:28.13 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I'll be posting stuff soon on my sf site |
| 01:28.19 | RobotGuy | OK |
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| 02:03.30 | prpplague | one of the best doc's ever |
| 02:09.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: doc's? |
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| 03:20.38 | prpplague | ce_geek doctor who episodes |
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| 11:27.52 | g1powermac_PB | morning prpplague |
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| 11:49.02 | g1powermac | morning roxfan |
| 11:49.30 | roxfan | yo |
| 11:50.03 | g1powermac | hey, would you know what file I'd give blob the boot loader on the z2 when I want to try out a new kernel? |
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| 13:10.07 | g1powermac | hey GPSFan |
| 13:10.18 | GPSFan | g1powermac: howdy |
| 13:10.26 | g1powermac | GPSFan, I wanted to ask you, what file do you feed blob if you wanted to try out a new kernel? |
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| 13:24.15 | GPSFan | g1powermac: iirc it was zImage |
| 13:28.29 | g1powermac_apl | k |
| 13:28.48 | g1powermac_apl | is trying to figure out where all the stuff I did went to on my machine. . . |
| 13:32.29 | g1powermac_apl | hmmm |
| 13:33.00 | g1powermac_apl | is missing files. . .why are they missing. . . |
| 13:33.32 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Hmmmm, facintating. I thought that only happened to ME. |
| 13:34.14 | g1powermac_apl | this is really strange |
| 13:35.13 | RobotGuy | kicks his stupid chair |
| 13:36.06 | g1powermac_apl | my entire work dealing with qtopia is missing |
| 13:36.14 | g1powermac_apl | what the heck happened. . . |
| 13:39.09 | g1powermac_apl | find isn't finding any of these files. . . |
| 13:39.25 | g1powermac_apl | could my linux system be messed up somehow? |
| 13:41.42 | g1powermac_apl | luckily I put all this stuff up on the sf cvs |
| 13:44.42 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Are you searching the right computer?? |
| 13:44.50 | g1powermac_apl | yup |
| 13:44.57 | g1powermac_apl | its my only dev machine |
| 13:45.04 | g1powermac_apl | its got part of the stuff here |
| 13:45.31 | g1powermac_apl | I have a 2.6.21.1 kernel source already patched with the usb gadget stuff and the zipit stuff |
| 13:45.41 | g1powermac_apl | but can't find the usb gadget patch |
| 13:45.54 | g1powermac_apl | nor can I find a single trace of qtopia |
| 13:48.40 | g1powermac_apl | finds this really strange |
| 13:54.50 | g1powermac_apl | anyway |
| 13:54.57 | g1powermac_apl | I rebuilt the kernel |
| 13:55.06 | g1powermac_apl | but minicom doesn't want to send it. . . |
| 13:56.11 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, is there any arguments I need to tell blob besides 'xdownload kernel'? |
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| 13:58.11 | g1powermac_apl | meh, 'xdownload kernel zImage" kinda helps :-) |
| 14:01.45 | g1powermac_apl | doh, it kernel paniced |
| 14:02.09 | g1powermac_apl | it wants me to tell it a rootfs |
| 14:03.50 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, what was it that you set as a rootfs so it didn't panic? |
| 14:03.55 | g1powermac_apl | I forgot :-) |
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| 14:30.50 | RobotGuy | Hmmph, finally beat Konversation into submission |
| 14:35.38 | g1powermac_apl | man, I just can't figure out what gpsfan did to make the kernel boot. . . |
| 14:39.06 | GPSFan | g1powermac: sorry, been busy. I know I said I'd help out, but I'm not going to be around all day today. |
| 14:39.32 | GPSFan | g1powermac: have you built the /rfs directroy? that's where the initramfs lives. |
| 14:39.52 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, how do I do that? there's currently nothing in that dir |
| 14:42.11 | GPSFan | right, yoou have to populate it with a minimal system so that the kernel can boot from it. there are other ways to do this, but that's what zipit does, and that's what I did. I populated /rfs with a minimal system I built using buildroot. |
| 14:42.28 | g1powermac_apl | ahh |
| 14:42.46 | GPSFan | I can dcc you a tarball of what I used. |
| 14:42.56 | g1powermac_apl | that'd be great |
| 14:42.58 | g1powermac_apl | thanks |
| 14:44.51 | GPSFan | that should at least let you boot and have a login on the serial port. |
| 14:45.48 | g1powermac_apl | do I send the zipit the .bz2? |
| 14:45.56 | g1powermac_apl | or do I uncompress it first? |
| 14:46.50 | GPSFan | g1powermac: untar it and put in the dir above your kernel, the kernel build should find it, it's in .config as ../rfs IIRC |
| 14:47.17 | g1powermac_apl | k |
| 14:47.24 | GPSFan | let me dcc you a copy of my kernel too it' should include that rfs. |
| 14:48.24 | g1powermac_apl | thanks |
| 14:48.25 | GPSFan | don't worry about the size yet, just get it to boot, then you can trim the /rfs stuff later. |
| 14:49.00 | GPSFan | I gotta run... off to buy some steel, and a few other things... ;>) |
| 14:49.12 | g1powermac_apl | k, cya, and thanks for the help :-) |
| 14:49.18 | GPSFan | np... |
| 15:02.32 | RobotGuy | is debating whether to go to the PARTS meeting today or not. |
| 15:03.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy chair acting up? |
| 15:03.14 | g1powermac_apl | hey prpplague |
| 15:03.20 | g1powermac_apl | just the guy I need to talk with :-) |
| 15:03.54 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, how do I get a kernel compile to include the stuff in the rfs directory? |
| 15:04.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, majorly. |
| 15:04.24 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl at kernel compile? you mean to use a combined initrd or initramfs image? |
| 15:04.27 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan sent me over what I needed for the initramfs, but its not getting included directly into the kernel |
| 15:04.45 | g1powermac_apl | yea |
| 15:04.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The dang thing almost stranded me on the lift of a bus yesterday. :( |
| 15:05.29 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl yea, there is an option in the config to name the source file for the image |
| 15:05.59 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, hmm, its already in the config. . . |
| 15:06.19 | g1powermac_apl | maybe I'm missing something here |
| 15:06.37 | g1powermac_apl | the initramfs source files config is set to ../rfs |
| 15:06.55 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl best to always use absolute paths |
| 15:06.55 | g1powermac_apl | I have a directory called rfs above the kernel |
| 15:07.19 | g1powermac_apl | in the directory is what looks like a root fs |
| 15:07.27 | prpplague | because to don't always know where it is being called from |
| 15:07.27 | RobotGuy | is a relative path kind of guy. :) |
| 15:07.29 | g1powermac_apl | does that sound right? |
| 15:07.37 | g1powermac_apl | hmm |
| 15:07.49 | prpplague | try with a absolute path first |
| 15:08.38 | RobotGuy | Next week is going to be major toy week for me. :) |
| 15:08.53 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, yup, I think that did it :-) |
| 15:08.55 | g1powermac_apl | thanks |
| 15:09.47 | prpplague | np |
| 15:11.19 | g1powermac_apl | now I still need to figure why all the stuff I did with qtopia is gone on my computer |
| 15:11.36 | g1powermac_apl | must have accidentally deleted that stuff at some point |
| 15:11.50 | RobotGuy | still has not solved his JFFS2 image problem. |
| 15:14.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy if i have some time this evening i'll see if i can help |
| 15:15.10 | g1powermac_apl | huh |
| 15:15.18 | g1powermac_apl | it froze on boot |
| 15:15.35 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl post your boot log |
| 15:17.32 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, the log came out to be a mess on pastebin. . . |
| 15:18.09 | g1powermac_apl | huh, no its fine, just a mess on preview: http://pastebin.ca/1090920 |
| 15:18.19 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:18.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. |
| 15:19.22 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 15:19.36 | prpplague | probably still running, just didn't get the rest of the messages |
| 15:19.45 | g1powermac_apl | hmm |
| 15:19.57 | g1powermac_apl | I prolly need an a kernel argument or two to fix that |
| 15:20.32 | prpplague | the command line for the kernel was console=ttyS2 |
| 15:20.46 | RobotGuy | I need to get some drawer and cupboard locks. |
| 15:20.52 | prpplague | does ttyS2 exist in your initramfs image? and does it have the correct major/minor numbers? |
| 15:21.37 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, no |
| 15:21.52 | g1powermac_apl | could be the problem, ehh? :-) |
| 15:22.24 | g1powermac_apl | actually dev is pratically empty |
| 15:23.42 | g1powermac_apl | ahh, I found the problem |
| 15:24.01 | g1powermac_apl | I needed to untar GPSFan's rfs file as root |
| 15:26.28 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl yea, the desktop distro will prevent the generation of some device nodes |
| 15:26.35 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl if you aren't root |
| 15:28.14 | g1powermac_apl | huh, but after rerunning make zImage, the zImages are the same size |
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| 15:28.31 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl device nodes don't take up much space |
| 15:28.37 | prpplague | plus they are compressed |
| 15:28.39 | g1powermac_apl | but the exact same size? |
| 15:28.44 | prpplague | yea it is possible |
| 15:28.52 | g1powermac_apl | hmm |
| 15:28.53 | g1powermac_apl | ok |
| 15:28.55 | solar | mdev -s ; at runtime if you have busybox on the embedded system. |
| 15:30.19 | prpplague | solar morning |
| 15:30.26 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, I shouldn't be compiling the kernel as root, should I? |
| 15:30.36 | RobotGuy | solar: Greetings |
| 15:34.02 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl no it is not required |
| 15:34.12 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl still didn't boot? |
| 15:34.21 | g1powermac_apl | yup, still died |
| 15:34.26 | g1powermac_apl | just finished the test |
| 15:34.32 | prpplague | same place? |
| 15:34.36 | prpplague | same error? |
| 15:34.36 | g1powermac_apl | yup |
| 15:34.54 | g1powermac_apl | I don't think it reused the new stuff in rfs |
| 15:35.13 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl you can try doing a make clean |
| 15:35.26 | prpplague | g1powermac_apl do: make clean ; make zImage |
| 15:35.51 | prpplague | or what ever make image command you are using |
| 15:36.13 | g1powermac_apl | yea, I'm doing it now |
| 15:36.34 | solar | <2.5.2-r6 |
| 15:36.42 | solar | erp. Hi good morning |
| 15:39.32 | g1powermac_apl | man, I need to replace the fans in my dev machine |
| 15:39.47 | g1powermac_apl | the thing starts to sound like a vacuum cleaner when compiling a kernel |
| 15:41.24 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, yup, that produced a different sized zImage |
| 15:41.39 | g1powermac_apl | now I must wait for it to transfer over the serial port :-) |
| 15:45.20 | mnemoc | Hi, is "Embedded Linux System Design and Development" good? do you recommend other book when you can just afford one? |
| 15:45.40 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, that did it :-) |
| 15:46.07 | mnemoc | .oO( I should have asked in #elinux probably )o |
| 15:47.56 | g1powermac_apl | mnemoc, I like "Embedded Linux Primer" |
| 15:48.56 | mnemoc | ...and it's cheaper, that's good :) |
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| 15:58.05 | prpplague | mnemoc both of those are good starts |
| 15:58.31 | prpplague | mnemoc however i have found there really isn't a good embedded development book out there |
| 15:58.40 | prpplague | just my opinion |
| 15:59.40 | RobotGuy | Some authors don't really seem to know what embedded is, and the waters keep getting murkier all the time. |
| 16:00.04 | prpplague | mnemoc you asked about the nail board i have for sale, were you interested in that? |
| 16:01.51 | mnemoc | prpplague: I plan to but a hammer or nail _kit_ but I can't yet :( |
| 16:02.01 | mnemoc | prpplague: I have to finish a project first |
| 16:03.06 | mnemoc | i hasn't gone as $expected$ :( |
| 16:04.25 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 16:04.59 | prpplague | mnemoc well if you know of anyone, the nail board is $110+shipping |
| 16:05.17 | prpplague | that includes the hammer module with it |
| 16:05.34 | mnemoc | prpplague: what has the kit that isn't included in that $110? |
| 16:06.04 | mnemoc | I have a friend in uk who wanted to buy one |
| 16:06.31 | prpplague | its the complete standard kit, it's just been used for testing, so i can't sell it as new |
| 16:06.45 | mnemoc | ah, cool... i'll tell him |
| 16:07.23 | prpplague | mnemoc shipping to the UK would be about $20USD |
| 16:07.41 | RobotGuy | solar: The August issue of Nuts & Volts magazine starts a multi-part series on programming and working with AVRs. |
| 16:07.46 | mnemoc | ok |
| 16:08.03 | mnemoc | prpplague: on the other topic, for someone how already knows (some) kernel programming, both are good starts or one invests more time on linux basics than the other? |
| 16:08.27 | prpplague | yea both are good starts |
| 16:08.54 | prpplague | atmega48 is my favorite avr |
| 16:09.11 | mnemoc | i'm trying to enhance my "skills list" to see if I find a better job :\ |
| 16:09.25 | prpplague | mnemoc yea both are a good start for that |
| 16:09.38 | prpplague | mnemoc give you a good start on all the terminology and methods |
| 16:10.52 | solar | mnemoc: Trade Shows/Confs are really good places to get lots of offers rather quickly. I always have to turn down side work and jobs at them. |
| 16:10.59 | RobotGuy | OK, I am going to take a chance and HOPE my chair does not strand me in Portland. I'll be back when I am back. :) |
| 16:11.58 | prpplague | has to go run some erranfs |
| 16:12.00 | prpplague | errands |
| 16:12.03 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 16:12.26 | mnemoc | prpplague, solar: thanks for the directions :) |
| 16:23.00 | solar | mnemoc: Not sure what you do for a living. But facebook is hiring. >=100k to start. |
| 16:26.04 | mnemoc | oh |
| 16:29.49 | mnemoc | I should really consider moving to CA |
| 16:41.05 | solar | Only if you want to be overpaid and underworked |
| 16:41.18 | solar | winks |
| 16:45.57 | mnemoc | :D |
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| 18:33.57 | Mirell | solar: Amazingly, I could deal with the horror of that. |
| 18:46.47 | solar | while trying to put this thing together http://www.ladyada.net/make/pshield/solder.html I just rediscovered why I'm a fan of prebuilt things. Don't grab the soldering iron with bare hands~!@ |
| 18:48.32 | mnemoc | outch |
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| 19:55.31 | g1powermac_PB | solar: yup, yup, but the feel of liquid solder is, umm, quite interesting :-) |
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| 21:42.45 | g1powermac_apl | heya RobotGuy |
| 21:42.54 | RobotGuy | Hi |
| 21:44.26 | g1powermac_apl | guess your chair didn't croak :-) |
| 21:50.02 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: It did stop me many times though. |
| 21:50.44 | RobotGuy | I wish I could run the durn thing off the nearest cliff. |
| 22:01.37 | g1powermac_apl | hmm |
| 22:01.45 | g1powermac_apl | heya GPSFan |
| 22:02.02 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, I got the kernel to boot after a little more work with it |
| 22:03.56 | GPSFan | g1powermac: good deal... |
| 22:04.09 | g1powermac_apl | now for something somewhat different |
| 22:04.34 | g1powermac_apl | does anyone know what thing I need to enable in the kernel so it lets me enable USB support? |
| 22:05.42 | g1powermac_apl | because atm, under the "USB Support" part of the config, all I get is: --- NOTE: USB_STORAGE enables SCSI, and 'SCSI disk support' |
| 22:05.52 | g1powermac_apl | and the USB gadget stuff |
| 22:14.13 | g1powermac_apl | meh, it just wasn't patched right :> |
| 22:16.15 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, btw, I found the cause of the missing files |
| 22:16.29 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, your first guess was right all along |
| 22:16.40 | RobotGuy | Cool. What was it. |
| 22:16.44 | RobotGuy | Wow |
| 22:16.52 | g1powermac_apl | I did most of my previous work on a VM on my iMac |
| 22:17.04 | g1powermac_apl | but I thought I replicated all that work here on this machine |
| 22:17.08 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh, OK. |
| 22:17.14 | g1powermac_apl | obviously I was wrong :-) |
| 22:17.34 | RobotGuy | That must be the first time I've been right today. |
| 22:17.37 | g1powermac_apl | looks like I only did a small portion on this machine |
| 22:18.04 | RobotGuy | That was my first guess, because I've done the same thing a couple times. :) |
| 22:19.30 | g1powermac_apl | normally I never do such a thing as I really don't like to use a VM on my iMac |
| 22:19.43 | g1powermac_apl | but I used it at the time because I really didn't have a choice |
| 22:19.59 | g1powermac_apl | till I had set up this machine at the old apartment |
| 22:20.10 | g1powermac_apl | where I thought I redid everything |
| 22:22.13 | g1powermac_apl | ah well, this is what happens when I wait months before picking up a project again :-) |
| 22:26.07 | g1powermac_apl | excellent, now I got the kernel I actually want to use with full usb gadget support, and a new qtopia build |
| 22:29.37 | g1powermac_apl | GPSFan, quick question, using your initramfs and loading the kernel via blob, how would I go about mounting the sd card? |
| 22:32.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac: try cat /proc/partitions and see what shows up, then mount /dev/xxxx /mnt might work. |
| 22:32.57 | g1powermac_apl | alrighty |
| 22:33.51 | GPSFan | you might have to create a /dev/ entry for it. |
| 22:33.59 | g1powermac_apl | yea, was just going to say that |
| 22:34.24 | GPSFan | you got qt building? |
| 22:34.29 | g1powermac_apl | yup |
| 22:34.42 | g1powermac_apl | how would I make a dev entry again? man I forgot everything. . . |
| 22:34.58 | g1powermac_apl | I know its mknod something |
| 22:35.06 | GPSFan | nice, I've had a heck of a time with it, I gave up about a month ago, hoping that someone smarter would get it building. ;>) |
| 22:36.52 | GPSFan | man mknod |
| 22:37.22 | g1powermac_apl | bah ;-) |
| 22:37.51 | GPSFan | mknod --help |
| 22:39.09 | g1powermac_apl | ok, I made the device node, but mount keeps giving me grief about an invalid argument |
| 22:39.41 | GPSFan | what does cat /proc/partitions say |
| 22:39.59 | g1powermac_apl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.59 | g1powermac_apl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.59 | g1powermac_apl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.59 | g1powermac_apl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.59 | g1powermac_apl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.13 | g1powermac_apl | I made the node for mmcblk0 |
| 22:40.36 | GPSFan | try mount /dev/mmcblkp1 /mnt |
| 22:40.46 | GPSFan | try mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt |
| 22:41.16 | g1powermac_apl | there's only mmcblk0 |
| 22:42.09 | g1powermac_apl | mknod /dev/mmcblk0 b 179 0 |
| 22:42.19 | g1powermac_apl | thats what I used to make the node |
| 22:42.47 | GPSFan | is it fat or ext2 |
| 22:42.55 | g1powermac_apl | fat |
| 22:43.10 | g1powermac_apl | and yea, I tried the -t vfat argument |
| 22:45.07 | g1powermac_apl | hah, it wanted the second one |
| 22:45.13 | g1powermac_apl | the mmcblk0p1 |
| 22:46.01 | GPSFan | from your cat /proc/partitions there need to be 2 /dev entries. |
| 22:46.25 | GPSFan | mmcblk0 and mmcblk0p1 |
| 22:46.51 | GPSFan | usually you mount the mmcblk0p1 |
| 22:47.07 | g1powermac_apl | ahh |
| 22:47.10 | g1powermac_apl | didn't know that |
| 22:47.16 | g1powermac_apl | is learning :-) |
| 22:47.35 | g1powermac_apl | hey, guess what? usb gadget modules inserted without a hitch :-) |
| 22:47.46 | GPSFan | good |
| 22:47.59 | g1powermac_apl | now its time to solder up the usb cable |
| 22:48.56 | g1powermac_apl | but first, dinner :-) |
| 22:49.05 | GPSFan | cul.. enjoy |
| 22:49.09 | g1powermac_apl | thanks |
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