| 00:04.29 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: you around? |
| 00:06.04 | g1powermac_PB | huh this is interesting |
| 00:06.24 | g1powermac_PB | was watching the bounty hunters on the national geographic channel |
| 00:06.43 | g1powermac_PB | which made me read a bit more about bounty hunting on wikipedia |
| 00:07.00 | g1powermac_PB | and found out Kentucky is the only state that doesn't allow bounty hunting |
| 00:07.13 | g1powermac_PB | unless its a federal charge from another state |
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| 00:10.39 | g1powermac_PB | wb RobotGuy |
| 00:10.56 | RobotGuy | Hi, g1powermac_PB |
| 00:11.29 | RobotGuy | I just HAD to do it. |
| 00:11.37 | RobotGuy | I just NEEDED to do it. |
| 00:12.19 | g1powermac_PB | do what? |
| 00:12.32 | RobotGuy | I went out and had a Banana Split. :) |
| 00:12.41 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 00:12.55 | g1powermac_PB | sounds good |
| 00:13.09 | RobotGuy | It was! I apparently really needed the sugar boost too. |
| 00:13.17 | g1powermac_PB | might make one with some of his soy ice cream |
| 00:13.41 | RobotGuy | That sounds good too. I _should_ be using soy products instead of dairy. |
| 00:14.05 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I can't/won't really eat any dairy products |
| 00:14.22 | g1powermac_PB | it doesn't really sit well in my stomach sometimes, so I just avoid it |
| 00:14.24 | RobotGuy | I find it difficult to give up my cheese though. |
| 00:14.42 | g1powermac_PB | yea, that was the toughest for me as well |
| 00:14.53 | g1powermac_PB | however, there is a very good rice cheese out there |
| 00:15.01 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, interesting. |
| 00:15.09 | g1powermac_PB | though it still has casein, which is a milk protein |
| 00:15.26 | g1powermac_PB | almost all 'fake' cheese still has that milk protein |
| 00:15.27 | RobotGuy | We have a wonderful cheese factory here in Oregon - Tillamook Cheese Factory. Their cheeses are wonderful! |
| 00:15.51 | g1powermac_PB | which then kills it for me |
| 00:16.00 | RobotGuy | I love their smoked cheddar. |
| 00:16.23 | RobotGuy | How is the hacking? |
| 00:16.49 | g1powermac_PB | most people who are affected to milk are lactose intolerant, but lactose doesn't cause an issue for me |
| 00:17.49 | g1powermac_PB | doing well, with some help from some guys in #zipit, I was able to extract the initramfs thats on the zipit and stick it in my new kernel and boot it as if nothing changed |
| 00:22.36 | RobotGuy | Cool. |
| 00:23.35 | RobotGuy | I'm doing some body replairs on W.A.L.T.E.R. then am going to tinker with his brain. He didn't completely survive OSCON (my fault). Got to find a better way to carry him around with me. |
| 00:24.25 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, don't you hate that? |
| 00:24.53 | g1powermac_PB | always gets insanely protective of his projects at things like that |
| 00:25.03 | g1powermac_PB | sometimes a bit too much |
| 00:31.01 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I know. I only took him with me to show Solar. I thought we were going to draw a small crowd when one fellow from a booth came over. |
| 00:38.05 | RobotGuy | I have to check the schematic of the hammer carrier board to see if this will work, but I soldered a three conductor cable to three tie points near the reset switch (3.3V, 5V, GND). |
| 01:07.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are you here somewhere? |
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| 03:40.41 | RobotGuy | Zippity Dooo Dah |
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| 04:39.14 | RobotGuy | Does anyone know how to get to a virtual tty on Hammer? |
| 04:39.26 | RobotGuy | A pseudo tty. |
| 04:40.16 | kergoth | the same way you do on every other linux system, embedded or otherwise? |
| 04:48.26 | RobotGuy | I don't really know. |
| 04:48.49 | RobotGuy | Alt/F-Keys sometimes work. |
| 04:49.11 | RobotGuy | But I need to switch from console to a pseudo tty. |
| 04:50.27 | kergoth | peuso ttys are used for a ton of things, if you mean virtual terminals on the console, which is a specific thing, you need to say so. /me doesnt know the answer to that one |
| 04:51.03 | ds2 | I think the kernel supports ptys already |
| 04:51.33 | RobotGuy | kergoth: I am not sure what I need for Hammer, which is why my questions seem vague. |
| 04:51.56 | kergoth | psuedo ttys are used for everything from xterms to inbound telnet |
| 04:52.02 | kergoth | regardless of platform |
| 04:52.12 | RobotGuy | kergoth: I know what they are used for. |
| 04:52.22 | kergoth | then don't say "how to i access a psuedo tty" |
| 04:52.26 | kergoth | that isnt what you want to know. |
| 04:52.41 | kergoth | there are apis for setting up psuedos, and thats not what you want |
| 04:52.49 | RobotGuy | Like I said, if I knew what I need for Hammer, I would ask specifically for that. |
| 04:53.00 | kergoth | and again, this has jack shit to do with what platform you're on |
| 04:53.30 | RobotGuy | This is not helping me. |
| 04:53.55 | kergoth | neither is asking questions that have nothing to do with your problem. be specific in the future, and learn how the linux console works |
| 04:54.03 | kergoth | i personally recommend the linux keyboard and console howto as a start |
| 04:54.29 | ds2 | keyboard/console on the hammer?! |
| 04:55.11 | kergoth | he's talking about the alt-fkey virtual terminals on the console. if he's on a serial console, thats of course no possible |
| 04:55.19 | kergoth | and he would then want something like 'screen' |
| 04:55.47 | kergoth | or other similar tools. sco openserver used to provide its own special tool for it, for dumb terminals on serial ports |
| 04:56.27 | ds2 | I think I remember that |
| 04:56.45 | RobotGuy | Thanks for adding to my frustration. |
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| 04:56.52 | kergoth | all a pseudo tty is is a pair of devices. |
| 04:57.34 | Madsy | How ttys/ptys work and how to create a psuedo terminal is still a mystery to me. |
| 04:58.17 | ds2 | there are 2 main APIs |
| 04:58.25 | kergoth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_terminal is a good summary |
| 04:58.33 | ds2 | BSD style, you keep on opening master devices til you succeed and use that |
| 04:58.49 | ds2 | Unix98 (i think) has you opening the ptymux device and go from there |
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| 06:43.28 | Me33 | Can I have my compiler compile everything static? removing a need for uclib...so ? |
| 06:43.35 | Me33 | and any other .so ? |
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| 06:50.37 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 08:23.09 | methril | morning |
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| 11:36.25 | g1powermac | morning T0mW |
| 11:36.43 | T0mW | g1powermac: good morning |
| 11:37.00 | g1powermac | got some interesting progress on the z2 usb gadget stuff |
| 11:37.22 | g1powermac | http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/usbgadget.html |
| 11:37.28 | T0mW | g1powermac: did you have to replace the kernel, or just add a module? |
| 11:37.55 | g1powermac | total replacement, though only temporary via blob's xdownload |
| 11:38.08 | g1powermac | I haven't done the commitment to flash yet :-) |
| 11:38.17 | g1powermac | but it does boot with the new kernel |
| 11:38.20 | T0mW | my fingers feel like claws this morning. I'd spent yesterday ripping drywall off a wall. |
| 11:38.39 | g1powermac | I even took the initramfs from the original kernel and used it in the new one, booted like normal |
| 11:38.50 | T0mW | ah, good. |
| 11:39.03 | g1powermac | ahh, demolition, always fun |
| 11:39.17 | T0mW | and you just tagged into the existing pins on the board for the serial port? |
| 11:39.27 | g1powermac | yup |
| 11:39.40 | T0mW | good |
| 11:39.45 | g1powermac | I'm even powering the max3233 directly from the z2's board |
| 11:39.50 | T0mW | heh |
| 11:40.05 | T0mW | I feel another board project coming on... |
| 11:40.56 | T0mW | putting anything into the Z2 would be a challenge as the internal dimensions of the case are much tighter than the Z1 |
| 11:41.04 | g1powermac | yea |
| 11:42.11 | T0mW | eh, if nothing else, then something like a connector of some kind and no electronics so that you can gain external access to those pins. |
| 11:43.24 | T0mW | I'll be busy all month getting the house into habitable shape. Today, we are going to take off some rotted T-111 siding and replace it. Hopefully, the studs and headers of that wall will look ok once the siding comes off. |
| 11:43.55 | T0mW | After that, I have to paint and put down the new hardwood floors. |
| 11:44.31 | T0mW | "sweat equity" hurts! No back pain, just achy muscles. |
| 11:45.36 | T0mW | g1powermac: I will have a larger workshop when I finally get moved in. |
| 11:52.14 | T0mW | g1powermac: anyone been doing anything with the GUI? |
| 11:53.12 | g1powermac | nice |
| 11:53.18 | g1powermac | I think someone has |
| 11:53.28 | g1powermac | I will be working with qtopia soon |
| 11:53.56 | T0mW | good good. I was hoping to show the way and let others take it from there (as I knew my time was limited). |
| 11:54.06 | g1powermac | I need to work with buildroot some |
| 11:54.15 | g1powermac | I want it to automake me an initramfs |
| 11:54.26 | g1powermac | but have no clue on how to tweak it to do that |
| 11:54.36 | T0mW | yeah, you have to know GNU make fairly well to work with buildroot. |
| 11:55.09 | T0mW | but, buildroot is perfect for a tiny system. |
| 11:55.11 | g1powermac | knows make a bit, got a make book too |
| 11:55.42 | g1powermac | well, thats the idea really, I want to completely replace the existing zipit system on the flash |
| 11:55.54 | g1powermac | and leave the sd card for something else |
| 11:56.05 | T0mW | nod |
| 11:56.43 | g1powermac | I'd like to have it where you download an installer package, stick it on your sd card, boot your zipit, let it install onto the zipit, remove the sd card and bam you got a completely customizable system |
| 11:58.34 | T0mW | you should be able to do that via the MTD stuff |
| 11:59.19 | g1powermac | yup |
| 11:59.34 | T0mW | g1powermac: do you think I need to add a wiki to openzipit.org? |
| 12:00.01 | g1powermac | I'd like to get a wiki on my sf site |
| 12:00.25 | g1powermac | can't seem to get one to play well on the sf servers |
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| 12:01.08 | T0mW | I don't know how useful it could be to people. It might be useful only to allow people to add content to the site to point to other sites, like yours. |
| 12:01.51 | T0mW | maybe, that sort of thing should be moved to elinux? |
| 12:01.58 | g1powermac | it just makes life easier to edit |
| 12:02.04 | T0mW | yes |
| 12:02.08 | g1powermac | maybe |
| 12:02.41 | T0mW | I don't like zipitwireless hosting content for us as it may "go away" at some point. |
| 12:02.57 | g1powermac | thats what I feel as well |
| 12:03.21 | T0mW | that would give them editorial control over the content as well. |
| 12:04.25 | g1powermac | maybe I can get wordpress on sf |
| 12:06.46 | g1powermac | btw, if you want to be a developer on the z2 sf site, lemme know |
| 12:06.50 | g1powermac | and I'll add you to it |
| 12:06.55 | g1powermac | so far its just me and GPSFan |
| 12:17.24 | g1powermac | wordpress would make editing alot easier as well |
| 12:17.37 | g1powermac | and give a nice ability to post news items |
| 12:17.53 | T0mW | not familiar with wordpress. |
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| 12:18.09 | g1powermac | its one of the big blogging softwares |
| 12:18.14 | g1powermac | morning GPSFan |
| 12:18.22 | GPSFan | g1powermac: g'day |
| 12:18.27 | T0mW | oh well, time to get ready and go rip out more of that leaking wall. |
| 12:18.34 | T0mW | GPSFan: morning Ken. |
| 12:18.44 | GPSFan | T0mW: hey, how goes the house? |
| 12:19.21 | T0mW | GPSFan: leaking outside wall. Sill on one window was rotted away, so we are doing that today. |
| 12:19.43 | GPSFan | ah, the joys..... |
| 12:24.47 | T0mW | GPSFan: fortunately, a friend is helping do this and he is pretty good at home repairs. We have some rotted T-111 to replace and will find out if there is any damage to the studs and headers behind that sheathing. |
| 12:25.35 | T0mW | GPSFan: always something unexpected, you know? Otherwise, things are going to schedule and I should be in there the end of this month. |
| 12:30.14 | g1powermac | woot, I got wordpress installed on sf |
| 12:31.20 | g1powermac | begins the tedious job of moving all the content over |
| 12:31.27 | g1powermac | but this should make updates much easier |
| 12:32.00 | T0mW | ah, the joys of publishing free knowledge.. |
| 12:32.08 | g1powermac | yup, yup |
| 12:32.23 | g1powermac | now if we can only free all that knowledge bound up in NDAs. . . . |
| 12:33.02 | T0mW | I designed my own scripting language and php parser for the script files. This was so it would make it easier for me to manage content on openhardware and openzipit. |
| 12:33.14 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 12:33.36 | g1powermac | would have done something like that if he just didn't absolutely despise doing web stuff |
| 12:33.44 | T0mW | index.php causes parser.php to evaluate index.src |
| 12:34.03 | g1powermac | I've done way too much of it in the past and now I really hate it |
| 12:34.10 | T0mW | index.src is the actual content |
| 12:35.43 | T0mW | stuff like: @sidebar : 'right' |
| 12:35.47 | T0mW | and @box : 'Welcome to OpenZipit!' : 'left' |
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| 12:36.15 | T0mW | PITA to get it together, but it keeps me from using Front Page. heh |
| 12:36.35 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 12:37.00 | g1powermac | used Dreamweaver to build his zipit site, though I really only used it for the preview ability, I hand coded everything |
| 12:43.26 | T0mW | g1powermac: yeah, AOL Press, Dream Weaver, MicroSoft Office, Open Office, etc., etc.. |
| 12:44.17 | T0mW | g1powermac: I don't need to dazzle people, just easily hang information up for them to browse. |
| 12:50.36 | T0mW | later dudes |
| 13:34.14 | prpplague | heads to the office |
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| 13:50.45 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:50.49 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 13:51.22 | g1powermac | morning prpplague |
| 13:53.49 | prpplague | that it is |
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| 14:20.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: G'Mornin' |
| 14:20.40 | prpplague | greetings |
| 14:21.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Interesting thing.. I'm connected to the Hammer on my hammer carrier board and it detects and sets up the thumb drive perfect on every boot. |
| 14:22.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh yea? |
| 14:22.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, indeed. Every single time, perfect. |
| 14:22.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the carrier board is different the way it handles the power |
| 14:22.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the carrier doesn't have any +5v power control |
| 14:22.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What would be different for the nail? |
| 14:23.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ahhh, that could be the difference then. |
| 14:23.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there a way to make Nail do it good everytime? |
| 14:24.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i already gave you that information, and we looked at it |
| 14:24.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: from what i can tell something you have enabled is messing with the+5v power control |
| 14:24.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, OK, I am sure I saved it to a file then. |
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| 14:25.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't know how to find what is doing that. |
| 14:31.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you need to start by turning off everything you can except what you need to test the usb startup |
| 14:31.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right now I can't even flash hammer. |
| 14:31.40 | RobotGuy | At least not for buildroot stuff. |
| 14:33.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why is that? |
| 14:34.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think it has something to do with a difference between hammer openocd and Gentoo openocd. |
| 14:34.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what version of openocd are you using? |
| 14:35.57 | RobotGuy | http://rafb.net/p/cvA8jN18.html |
| 14:37.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea the syntax of the flash commands changed |
| 14:38.09 | RobotGuy | I have my 2n7000 FETs, 74AHC245's, and some two circuit .1" spacing screw terminals now. |
| 14:42.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you know what I need to change to make things work? |
| 14:43.47 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/upload/c/c5/Hammer.ocd |
| 14:43.57 | prpplague | that should work with the newer versions of openocd |
| 14:46.01 | methril | prpplague |
| 14:46.06 | methril | greetings |
| 14:46.15 | methril | are those arm7_9 |
| 14:46.29 | methril | specific from samsung device? arm7_9 fast_memory_access enable arm7_9 dcc_downloads enable |
| 14:47.18 | prpplague | methril: no those are not specific to the samsung device support |
| 14:47.29 | methril | nice to know it :) thanks |
| 14:47.30 | prpplague | methril: they are specific to the arm7 and arm9 devices |
| 14:47.50 | methril | openocd has a lot of options |
| 14:47.51 | prpplague | methril: in earlier versions of openocd those options needed to be enabled manuallly |
| 14:48.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am trying it now. |
| 14:48.05 | prpplague | methril: however newer version enables those by default |
| 14:48.30 | methril | never versions are >= 1.0? |
| 14:48.43 | methril | i'm using one from svn |
| 14:49.03 | prpplague | methril: newer version starting around march of 2008 |
| 14:49.30 | methril | 2008-06-24 is new enough :) |
| 14:50.29 | methril | thank you |
| 14:51.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Here is the first part of the new startup for openocd: http://rafb.net/p/uXHdL646.html |
| 14:51.12 | prpplague | np |
| 14:52.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea just looks to be slow on the startup |
| 14:52.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's what I think. Is there a way to tweak things a bit for hammer? |
| 14:53.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i am sorry i did not understand your question |
| 14:53.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can the openocd setup be tweaked for hammer, so it doesn't get those errors at startup? |
| 14:54.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes, there is something wrong with your openocd configuration |
| 14:54.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can see that. :) Now, what do I need to tweak to correct it? |
| 14:55.21 | prpplague | how the heck am i suppose to know? |
| 14:55.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are the Hammer Guy. You know everything about Hammer. |
| 14:56.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i've said before, there is a reason we have "official" versions of programs and source, they are tested, its what we have built, and its what we can support |
| 14:57.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think it's time to move forward then, since openocd is moving forward. I need my buildroot setup to work along side my gentoo embedded setup. I don't want two versions of openocd floating around my system. |
| 14:58.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nothing stopping you from moving forward |
| 14:58.31 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 14:59.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you basically have two options when dealing with embedded development |
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| 15:00.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Those are? |
| 15:00.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you either stick with what has been tested and working, or you can you out on the edge and do the development yourself |
| 15:00.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Why are you resisting newer versions of openocd?? |
| 15:01.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will not have two different versions of openocd on my system. |
| 15:02.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there are a number of reasons, but the primary one is that there is a giant number of changes going on in openocd right now, and to take a fresh svn version, clean it up, fix all the bugs, and release it would take rather large amount of time |
| 15:02.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the current svn of openocd has all of the hammer and flyswatter support included |
| 15:03.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, fine. I'll see of solar can help me tweak things then. |
| 15:04.31 | prpplague | i don't understand what you are getting all upset about |
| 15:05.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am not getting upset about anything. |
| 15:06.02 | RobotGuy | Technology moves forward. If you don't move forward with it, you get left behind. |
| 15:06.56 | RobotGuy | I still didn't get a good flash to hammer, so will have to get help elsewhere for this. |
| 15:08.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you move forward you have to be prepared to deal with issues |
| 15:23.52 | solar | I wont have time to look/help anybody. LWE is all week. |
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| 15:26.39 | prpplague | solar: i was gonna tell him that but he left |
| 15:27.17 | prpplague | solar: robotguy has a real problem trying to stick with anything that is stable |
| 15:27.29 | prpplague | solar: as a result, he's always got something broken |
| 15:31.48 | solar | ya. He tends to be a handful. I setup him up all nice one time. And he keeps saying he broke it. So I point him in the right direction and say it's a 30 second fix. But for days on end he still complains. |
| 15:32.07 | solar | Makes it hard to want to help him. Cuz he wont help himself |
| 15:36.39 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:36.41 | solar | prpplague: so hey you know how much I love soldering right. I actually managed to put the unassembled protoshield http://www.ladyada.net/make/pshield/solder.html together only burning the heck out of my fingers one time. |
| 15:37.04 | prpplague | solar: cool, practice makes perfect |
| 15:37.25 | prpplague | solar: thats all thru-hole stuff right? |
| 15:37.37 | prpplague | solar: when do you head out for lwe? |
| 15:37.56 | solar | went to radio shack and picked up a little sodering station. Doing it via the kitchen sink was not the best. |
| 15:38.05 | solar | prpplague: I'll probably only go Wend |
| 15:38.31 | prpplague | solar: hehe |
| 15:48.33 | prpplague | i still have a spare nail board for sale if anyone is interested |
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| 15:53.16 | solar | If it's a Rev B. I'll see if I can get rid of mine at LWE for your asking price. If I do. I'll send ya the $$ in return for your unit. But I'll check in with you before I head up there just to make sure. |
| 15:56.59 | prpplague | yea its a rev b, but tincantools will be selling there at LWE so i don't want to interfer with that |
| 15:59.17 | solar | okie |
| 16:14.05 | g1powermac | bashes head on desk. . . |
| 16:15.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: fun fun fun |
| 16:15.14 | g1powermac | wordpress is annoying me |
| 16:15.25 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:15.33 | g1powermac | well, it may not be wordpress's fault, it could be something funky going on with the sf server setup |
| 16:15.47 | prpplague | has an audio codec giving him trouble |
| 16:16.30 | g1powermac | I want to use the wp theme editor which requires the files you're editing to be writable by wp, so I set them writable but it still thinks they aren't writable |
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| 16:56.14 | prpplague | EI5GTB: greetings |
| 16:56.26 | prpplague | EI5GTB: i'm guess you are a HAM operator |
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| 17:00.53 | EI5GTB | prpplague, hi :) yup |
| 17:01.01 | EI5GTB | a ham playing with avr chips |
| 17:01.26 | solar | Neat. KingTaco would be interested in that. |
| 17:02.25 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 17:02.27 | purl | landley <n=landley@cpe-70-116-30-223.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 15d 3h 34m 12s ago, saying: 'Sigh. I need to drag Denys into this channel, don't I?'. |
| 17:02.43 | prpplague | wonders where landley has been |
| 17:08.53 | prpplague | doh, just wasted 30 minutes troubleshooting something that i had turned off in the kernel |
| 17:09.13 | g1powermac | oh man |
| 17:09.16 | g1powermac | don't you hate that? |
| 17:09.23 | prpplague | yep |
| 17:09.41 | prpplague | i didn't sleep well last night, so it must be affecting my work today |
| 17:09.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no comments please |
| 17:09.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:10.29 | g1powermac | hasn't slept great for over a week |
| 17:10.41 | g1powermac | I keep waking up at 6:30 am or earlier |
| 17:10.54 | prpplague | g1powermac: i had trouble going to sleep last night |
| 17:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | I wouldn't think of it |
| 17:11.02 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't slept well in 20 years |
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| 17:11.21 | prpplague | g1powermac: then i woke up every hour on the hour, _except_ for when i was suppose to get up, and i slept right thru the alarm |
| 17:11.36 | g1powermac | yea, I generally don't have issues going to sleep, its staying asleep is my problem, at least ever since I lost my weight |
| 17:11.45 | g1powermac | ahh fun |
| 17:11.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i thought you'd make a joke about the "affecting my work" part, hehe |
| 17:13.52 | g1powermac | finally is able to at least begin adding content to the new wordpress zipit site |
| 17:15.39 | g1powermac | what do you guys think of the theme: http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/wp/ |
| 17:19.54 | prpplague | imho "Opening the Zipit2 to the world" needs to be a little bigger, but it looks good to me |
| 17:20.29 | g1powermac | k |
| 17:20.50 | g1powermac | hasn't done much modifications to the original theme |
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| 17:44.42 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:44.50 | prpplague | something on my i2c bus isn't working |
| 17:52.50 | EI5GTB | sory, had to run away there for a second |
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| 18:13.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doh, more joys from the EE, had the i2c for the audio pulled up to +3.3v instead of the correct +1.8v |
| 18:34.52 | prpplague | g1powermac: is there a kernel config posted for the z2 somewhere? |
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| 18:49.01 | kergoth`work | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/8/4/ongoing-saga/ |
| 18:49.46 | MothaWork | prpplague: did that manage to kill anything? |
| 18:50.06 | prpplague | MothaWork: no, just gave me some weird responses from the codec |
| 18:50.16 | MothaWork | well, I could certainly see that |
| 18:50.25 | MothaWork | that is one unfortunate thing about I2C |
| 18:50.39 | MothaWork | it's sensitive to bus voltage and really hard to translate |
| 18:51.05 | prpplague | kergoth`work: cute |
| 18:51.13 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, still got some coding to do |
| 18:51.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: glue layer for this isn't working right |
| 18:51.43 | MothaWork | is this on Linux? |
| 18:52.02 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:52.11 | MothaWork | hum, Linux I2C stuff seems to usually work OK |
| 18:52.19 | prpplague | WM8750+s3c2440 |
| 18:52.26 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea the i2c is working fine now |
| 18:52.33 | prpplague | MothaWork: its the i2s that isn't correct |
| 18:52.43 | prpplague | MothaWork: looks like the rate calulcations aren't correct |
| 18:52.54 | MothaWork | ah |
| 18:53.24 | MothaWork | prpplague: know much about the S3C6400? |
| 18:53.29 | MothaWork | looks like a multimedia monster |
| 18:53.44 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea i have the datasheet |
| 18:53.52 | prpplague | MothaWork: it looks pretty robust |
| 18:53.57 | MothaWork | indeed |
| 18:53.59 | prpplague | MothaWork: problem is going to be doing the bga area |
| 18:54.02 | MothaWork | full featured and low power, too |
| 18:54.05 | prpplague | MothaWork: gonna be really tight |
| 18:54.07 | MothaWork | what's the pitch? |
| 18:54.19 | MothaWork | I see 424 pads in 14x14mm |
| 18:54.26 | MothaWork | that's gotta be at least a 0.65mm |
| 18:54.39 | MothaWork | I don't have a full datasheet; just a spec sheet |
| 18:54.44 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:54.49 | MothaWork | looks like it could be very low power, too |
| 18:55.52 | prpplague | its 0.5mm spacing |
| 18:56.13 | MothaWork | I figured |
| 18:56.14 | MothaWork | so ouch |
| 18:56.18 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:56.22 | MothaWork | that pretty much forces you to 3/3 with microvias |
| 18:56.32 | prpplague | but all the arm11's and cortex-a8's are that way |
| 18:56.39 | prpplague | yep |
| 18:56.43 | MothaWork | they do claim to have the multi-chip package modules ,too |
| 18:57.05 | MothaWork | The Freescale i.MX31 is an ARM11 available in 0.8mm pitch |
| 18:57.24 | MothaWork | which is doable without microvias, though you do need 4/4 which you seem to have to pay a little extra for at many places |
| 18:58.07 | prpplague | still pretty darn tight |
| 18:58.26 | MothaWork | yeah, I just did a 324TFBGA 0.8mm |
| 18:58.30 | MothaWork | no center cutout, which sucked |
| 18:58.46 | MothaWork | it took a while, but it was doable with mechanically drilled holes and 4/4. Managed to pull it off on 8 layers |
| 18:59.06 | MothaWork | 6 would have been possible if the pinout was nicer, though it may have caused (even more) EMI issues due to poorer power distribution |
| 18:59.27 | MothaWork | the MX31 is a 473 pad, so a fair chunk bigger |
| 18:59.57 | MothaWork | any idea on sourcing of the S3C6400? Our distributors seem to be steering us away from it on that front |
| 19:01.08 | prpplague | MothaWork: sorry not at the momment, we are a big samsung user, and we've not been able to get any for engineering prototypes |
| 19:01.17 | prpplague | MothaWork: not sure whats going on over at samsung |
| 19:01.21 | MothaWork | hum, I wonder if that's just because it is fairly new |
| 19:01.29 | MothaWork | or if there are other reasons |
| 19:01.46 | prpplague | MothaWork: seems like they are moving more to larger qty purchase orders |
| 19:01.55 | MothaWork | I see |
| 19:01.56 | prpplague | MothaWork: where as TI is moving away from that |
| 19:02.00 | MothaWork | yeah |
| 19:02.10 | MothaWork | we've actually got a TI rep looking at our project we're going after |
| 19:02.13 | prpplague | MothaWork: i'll ask our samsung rep next time |
| 19:02.22 | MothaWork | ok |
| 19:02.26 | MothaWork | I don't know any samsung reps |
| 19:09.28 | ds2 | morning |
| 19:10.37 | g1powermac | prpplague, the z2 patch has the config in it |
| 19:11.12 | g1powermac | prpplague, follow my instructions: http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/usbgadget.html |
| 19:11.20 | ds2 | hey prpplague, do you know if the hammer's USB host port will work if I do not give it a GPIO to control power? i.e. always power my USB device? |
| 19:12.21 | prpplague | g1powermac: i was just wanting to see what audio stuff they had enabled |
| 19:12.26 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 19:12.38 | g1powermac | well, like I said, the config is in the z2 patch |
| 19:13.00 | prpplague | ds2: yep, it will work, but doesn't met usb specs |
| 19:13.34 | ds2 | prpplague: good enough for me. I just need bluetooth |
| 19:13.43 | prpplague | ds2: yea should work fine |
| 19:14.12 | ds2 | prpplague: do you know if anyone has tried putting the hammer into a regular (non machined pin) socket? |
| 19:14.49 | prpplague | ds2: i have |
| 19:15.06 | ds2 | prpplague: does it work reliably if it gets reseated more then once? |
| 19:15.07 | prpplague | ds2: it works just not as secure as the machined pin |
| 19:15.18 | prpplague | ds2: yea it works fine |
| 19:15.26 | ds2 | okay, didn't know how well they would react to the fat pins |
| 19:15.27 | prpplague | ds2: just have to worry about vibration |
| 19:15.34 | ds2 | Oh |
| 19:15.54 | ds2 | okay, guess I will spend the $$ on a better socket then |
| 19:16.09 | prpplague | ds2: no problems using it on the desktop testing, but i'd not use them in a buildup |
| 19:16.45 | ds2 | prpplague: I am trying to put a hammer on a base for use as a demo; but the base/assembly will be carried on public transportation and it sounds like it won't arrive in good condition |
| 19:17.59 | prpplague | ds2: i'd just re-seat the hammer modules after the trip |
| 19:18.14 | prpplague | ds2: or even transport it without the hammer installed |
| 19:18.45 | ds2 | prpplague: the hammer won't be in a easily to reseat place |
| 19:18.52 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 19:19.01 | prpplague | ds2: they yea, i'd suggest a better socket |
| 19:19.03 | ds2 | it'll have a clear plastic cover on top of it so it'll be at least 4 screws to undo if not more |
| 19:19.30 | prpplague | ds2: you already got your proof-of-concept device done with the hammer? |
| 19:19.49 | ds2 | prpplague: one other thing - on the mod'ed hammer I got from you; the only difference is the pin labeled as 5V in takes 3.3V now, right? |
| 19:20.13 | ds2 | prpplague: no, that got delayed due to these demo things I need to build first :( |
| 19:20.14 | prpplague | ds2: the pin marked as +5v is a n/c |
| 19:20.32 | prpplague | ds2: the +3.3v out, is now the +3.3v in |
| 19:20.45 | ds2 | Oh like that... that's easy to take care of |
| 19:21.07 | ds2 | so the onboard LDO is basically gone, is that the only mod? |
| 19:29.07 | prpplague | ds2: yep, thats the only mod |
| 19:29.14 | prpplague | ds2: just removed the ldo |
| 19:29.23 | ds2 | excellent |
| 19:29.48 | prpplague | ds2: on my hammer boards, i usually mod them for 3.3v operations |
| 19:30.04 | ds2 | this leaves figuring out where to get a cheap, decent looking base plate |
| 19:30.15 | prpplague | ds2: i also mod them for the unused +5v to me used with the gpio for the onboard LED |
| 19:30.40 | prpplague | ds2: all depends on what kind of look you want |
| 19:30.53 | ds2 | prpplague: wouldn't a 2N2222 driving the LED work w/o the 5V mod? |
| 19:31.15 | prpplague | ds2: sorry i didn't explain that very well |
| 19:31.34 | ds2 | prpplague: presentable... wood grain would distract unless I paint/stain it... thinking of a cutting board or peice of acrylic but I trying to do it cheap |
| 19:31.59 | prpplague | ds2: i remove the onboard led, and then white wire the gpio to the unused +5v pin, that way i have one additional gpio available on the socket |
| 19:32.16 | ds2 | oh like that |
| 19:32.32 | prpplague | ds2: you can get replacement shelves for some of the less expensive partical board shelving units |
| 19:32.38 | prpplague | ds2: like at home depot |
| 19:32.49 | prpplague | ds2: they are laminated with either black or white |
| 19:32.53 | ds2 | prpplague: those are like 12x36, aren't they? |
| 19:32.56 | prpplague | ds2: i prefer the white ones |
| 19:33.07 | prpplague | ds2: yea you can get several sizes |
| 19:33.11 | ds2 | I am looking for something like 8.5x11 |
| 19:33.27 | MothaWork | sawzall |
| 19:33.34 | prpplague | ds2: yea, they have a small shelving unit they sale that has about that size |
| 19:33.35 | MothaWork | (my friend's universal solution) |
| 19:33.42 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:33.56 | ds2 | raw particle board != decent looking |
| 19:34.06 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
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| 19:34.26 | ds2 | and if I am sawing stuff, I'd start by begging for some MDF and painting that |
| 19:37.25 | prpplague | http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100556037&N=10000003+503114+10401003 |
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| 20:43.44 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.spiffie.org/kits/stickduino/ |
| 20:46.48 | Madsy | What do you use Arduino boards for? |
| 20:46.54 | Madsy | Does it run linux? ;p |
| 20:47.26 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 20:49.38 | prpplague | nice looking device |
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| 21:33.11 | prpplague | doh: --- /dev/null1970-01-01 00:00:00.000000000 +0000 |
| 21:33.11 | prpplague | +++ linux-2.6.26-rc5-quilt2/sound/soc/s3c24xx/jive_wm8750.c2008-06-12 11:07:04.000000000 +0100 |
| 21:33.11 | prpplague | @@ -0,0 +1,266 @@ |
| 21:33.11 | prpplague | +/* sound/soc/s3c24xx/jive_wm8705.c |
| 21:33.15 | prpplague | oops |
| 21:33.21 | prpplague | wrong paste |
| 21:39.05 | solar | that is pretty slick. with a nice little plastic shell around in and a few days of software hacking. you could be selling all sorts of usb alike phidgets. |
| 21:39.32 | prpplague | solar: yea, that is pretty interesting |
| 21:40.57 | prpplague | the part i like is that it doesn't even use a usb connector |
| 21:41.15 | solar | Kinda like the mini http://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardMini |
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| 21:42.56 | prpplague | pretty neat |
| 21:43.02 | prpplague | now if they just ran linux |
| 21:43.21 | solar | you can put the avr32's in afaik |
| 21:43.38 | solar | well not clearly with the mini. But the normal arduino's |
| 21:43.43 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:44.54 | solar | but MMUless so you would have to run uclinux-dist. |
| 21:45.14 | solar | unless you can add that with a few chips or two |
| 21:45.24 | solar | has no idea about that. |
| 21:45.38 | prpplague | no mmu no |
| 21:46.21 | roxfan | you don't need linux for toggling a few lights or whatnot |
| 21:46.56 | kergoth`work | anyone know of a commandline app to just call out less if the stdin is > 1 screenful, and not otherwise? |
| 21:48.34 | roxfan | try -e or --quit-at-eof |
| 21:48.38 | roxfan | passed to less |
| 21:48.54 | roxfan | hmm or maybe -E |
| 21:49.05 | roxfan | one of them should work |
| 21:50.05 | kergoth`work | not quite enough, even with -X and -e it still starts drawing at the top of the screen always, not at the current position |
| 21:50.25 | roxfan | ah |
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| 22:02.53 | prpplague | darn i was hoping to have this audio working today |
| 22:03.04 | prpplague | ALSA sound/core/pcm_lib.c:1680: BUG? (substream->ops->copy != ((void *)0) || runtime->dma_area != ((void *)0)) |
| 22:09.35 | ds2 | Aieeeeee |
| 22:11.35 | prpplague | yea, not sure whats causing that |
| 22:11.51 | prpplague | got that when i did: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio |
| 22:13.18 | ds2 | probally one of the structures you pass to register itself is not quite right |
| 22:14.10 | prpplague | yea, i'm guessing its an issue with the dma or dma setup |
| 22:14.36 | prpplague | i was hoping that it would "Just Work!" |
| 22:14.49 | prpplague | is a little weak in the area of audio codecs |
| 22:15.42 | prpplague | Entered s3c24xx_pcm_new |
| 22:15.43 | prpplague | Entered s3c24xx_pcm_preallocate_dma_buffer |
| 22:15.43 | prpplague | asoc: WM8750 <-> s3c24xx-i2s mapping ok |
| 22:15.44 | ds2 | if it was the OMAP stuff, I could be more specific |
| 22:15.51 | prpplague | looks to have allocated |
| 22:16.03 | ds2 | has ANYONE done a I2S driver for the s3c24xx's? |
| 22:16.15 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:16.31 | prpplague | ds2: there are a number of supported i2s devices |
| 22:16.41 | ds2 | should just be a matter of dropping that in and replacing all the controls (volume, CODEC setup, etc) |
| 22:17.02 | prpplague | ds2: the openmoko phone is a s3c2440 with a wm8753 chipset |
| 22:17.16 | ds2 | prpplague: are you starting w/that? |
| 22:17.37 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 22:17.49 | prpplague | ahh found it after turning on some debug |
| 22:17.52 | prpplague | Entered s3c24xx_pcm_hw_params |
| 22:17.52 | prpplague | params c0291c10, client c0291c44, channel 10 |
| 22:17.52 | prpplague | failed to get dma channel |
| 22:17.58 | ds2 | oh doh |
| 22:18.22 | prpplague | i'll have to dig into why it failed tomorrow |
| 22:31.44 | prpplague | well this is interesting |
| 22:31.56 | prpplague | have dma turned on in the kernel, but i don't have an entry under proc |
| 22:34.07 | ds2 | is your board file defining DMA resources? |
| 22:36.45 | prpplague | ds2: this section is a dedicate dma resource |
| 22:36.56 | prpplague | ds2: shouldn't be any need to define it |
| 22:38.11 | prpplague | from what i'm seeing it looks like the return value check is incorrect |
| 22:39.13 | prpplague | currently it is: if (ret) ..... , and it should be: if (ret<0) .... |
| 22:39.31 | ds2 | it returns the channel number? |
| 22:40.04 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:40.49 | prpplague | heads home for the day |
| 22:40.52 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:40.54 | ds2 | sounds like it unless you only want to use DMA 0 ;) |
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| 23:28.52 | Madsy | One thing that struck me. Why does the ARM instruction sets have SBZ fields in addition to zeroes in the opcodes? What is the difference? |
| 23:29.46 | Madsy | Is it because a wrong opcode is unpredictable, while an incorrect SBZ field is undefined? |
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| 23:38.29 | roxfan | i guess sbz fields can be used for future extensions while zeroes are fixed |
| 23:42.00 | roxfan | hmm ref doc says non-zero values cause Undefined |
| 23:52.49 | prpplague | ds2 looks like the openmoko guys found the same problem as i did, but it doesn't seem to have been pushed to the main tree |
| 23:52.53 | prpplague | ds2 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blobdiff;f=sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-pcm.c;h=40abef185cef7d7ab47b83d44b4ac23a7e195b16;hp=6c70a81c730cdbf8aea253a4240cd7007c7cfd68;hb=stable-2.6.26;hpb=5111c0753486fffde14de2b207e46760b9c05fd0 |
| 23:53.01 | ds2 | DOH |
| 23:53.30 | prpplague | ds2 looks to be working now |
| 23:53.43 | prpplague | ds2 although i don't have a speaker attached currently |
| 23:53.49 | prpplague | ds2 tomorrow i add the speaker |
| 23:54.16 | ds2 | prpplague: are you rolling this into the the hammer patches? |
| 23:55.12 | prpplague | ds2 hadn't planned to |
| 23:55.22 | prpplague | ds2 as the hammer doesn't have i2s support |
| 23:55.37 | ds2 | no plan to have a full hammer/sledgehammer/etc kernel source? |
| 23:56.30 | prpplague | ds2 yea if/when we go ahead with production on the sledgehammer, it will have i2s support, but i doubt that will be anytime soon |
| 23:56.43 | prpplague | ds2 sales of the hammer aren't where the boss wanted them to be |
| 23:56.58 | ds2 | prpplague: it may change post LWE |
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| 23:57.12 | prpplague | ds2 i hope so |