| 00:30.41 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:33.48 | Madsy | prpplague: Reminds me of a funky christmas song ;-) |
| 00:34.13 | prpplague | Madsy yea, i usually do: ho ho ho, merry freakin tuesday |
| 00:40.19 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 00:45.06 | chouimat | hey prpplague |
| 00:50.22 | g1powermac | alrighty, I now have moved everything over from the old zipit site to the new one |
| 01:00.35 | g1powermac | http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:17.39 | prpplague | chouimat hey bud |
| 01:20.31 | g1powermac | heya prpplague |
| 01:22.27 | prpplague | g1powermac whats cookin? |
| 01:23.04 | prpplague | disappointing day, didn't get my audio codec working |
| 01:26.16 | g1powermac | nothin much really |
| 01:27.13 | g1powermac | finished up the zipit site and got a 4gb hdd in my mac classic II |
| 01:32.52 | wmat | g1powermac: don't forget to link back from elinux.org to your zipit site |
| 01:40.21 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:40.31 | prpplague | frustrated with the audio codec |
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| 01:47.07 | g1powermac | wmat, oh yea, thanks |
| 01:48.15 | g1powermac | hmm, is the login new? |
| 01:48.37 | g1powermac | doesn't remember there being a login for elinux when I edited stuff in the past |
| 01:49.07 | g1powermac | meh, guess there was, it accepted my one username and password |
| 01:52.50 | g1powermac | needs to ask T0mW to link to my new site from his zipit site |
| 01:55.54 | g1powermac | I need to get google to list the site |
| 02:10.56 | g1powermac | gnight all |
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| 02:47.13 | prpplague | roxfan hey |
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| 06:28.11 | shaz | hi |
| 06:29.22 | shaz | why does messages like "cannot create /dev/shm and /dev/pts file already exists" are given at system initialization? |
| 06:29.54 | shaz | I mean I know it exists in rootfs but still want to know the background and internals' perspective |
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| 06:54.50 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 08:24.04 | methril | morning |
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| 13:43.18 | g1powermac | morning prpplague |
| 13:43.29 | prpplague | g1powermac: greetings |
| 13:43.48 | g1powermac | had a very disturbing experience this morning. . . |
| 13:44.10 | g1powermac | I've been trying to get one of my mac os x running macs to make a boot floppy for my old mac classic II |
| 13:44.13 | prpplague | g1powermac: saw yourself in the mirror after a shower? |
| 13:44.21 | g1powermac | and for the life of me, I couldn't get them to do it |
| 13:44.41 | g1powermac | however, with a few little apps, I got a stinking windows machine to do it with no problems |
| 13:45.02 | g1powermac | thats just wrong, plain wrong ;-) |
| 13:45.53 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 13:47.22 | g1powermac | anyway, now that I finally got a way to boot my classic, its back to work on the zipit :-) |
| 13:47.50 | g1powermac | I really need to figure out how buildroot works and how i can modify it |
| 13:49.15 | prpplague | g1powermac: modifing buildroot is very easy *cough* compared to OE |
| 13:49.27 | g1powermac | prpplague, do you have any suggestions on reading material for buildroot? |
| 13:49.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: buildroot is very touchy. You must be real careful what you change. I've done a bit of that successfully though. |
| 13:50.02 | prpplague | g1powermac: there should be some makefile tutorials out there |
| 13:50.17 | prpplague | g1powermac: buildroot is nothing but a series of makefiles |
| 13:50.19 | g1powermac | what I want to do is create a custom initramfs for my kernel |
| 13:50.29 | RobotGuy | I almost bought the Orly book on Makefiles the other day. |
| 13:50.42 | g1powermac | I think I got that book |
| 13:51.02 | RobotGuy | I opted for "Live Linux CDs" instead. |
| 13:51.18 | g1powermac | "Managing Projects with GNU Make" |
| 13:51.28 | g1powermac | I had to get it for a course I took a couple of years ago |
| 13:51.43 | prpplague | g1powermac: you should be able to just use menuconfig to select the options you want |
| 13:51.44 | RobotGuy | hates Makefiles, as a rule. |
| 13:51.47 | g1powermac | we were writing up a compiler :-) |
| 13:52.10 | RobotGuy | I am starting to warm up to them a bit now though, since I keep having to modify them to get the results I want. |
| 13:52.31 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, but how do you modify lets say a script inside of what would be the initramfs? |
| 13:53.11 | g1powermac | thats what confuses me about buildroot, I don't see how you do real custom stuff with it |
| 13:53.19 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: That is handled in the buildroot/target/devices/Samsung/Hammer/target*/ dir. |
| 13:53.27 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 13:53.39 | g1powermac | or in this case, the dir for the zipit |
| 13:53.49 | RobotGuy | You can add and/or edit anything there and it will get into your initrd when you do a 'make rootclean' before building a new image. |
| 13:53.59 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 13:54.03 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 13:54.28 | RobotGuy | You have to do a make rootclean though or new things in that dir and the device_table.txt file will not get into the image. |
| 13:54.46 | RobotGuy | I've modified quite a bit of stuff in there over time. |
| 13:55.21 | RobotGuy | Oh, wait, I forgot, I'm not prpplague. |
| 13:55.49 | RobotGuy | I just happen to know the answers to your questions. |
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| 13:56.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no need for sarcasism, plenty of other people develop for buildroot other than myself |
| 13:56.31 | RobotGuy | I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. |
| 13:56.53 | prpplague | g1powermac: there is a skeleton directory where you can add custom items that need to be populated |
| 13:56.58 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, there is no such folder for the zipit in this buildroot |
| 13:57.42 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, which dir? |
| 13:58.05 | prpplague | g1powermac: depends on your target |
| 13:58.26 | g1powermac_apl | hmm, well, its the z2. . . |
| 13:58.26 | prpplague | g1powermac: you can add them to the generic target skeleton dir if you want |
| 13:58.32 | g1powermac_apl | not sure how GPSFan set this up |
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| 13:59.18 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Look in buildroot/target/devices/<manufacturer>/<platform/processor> |
| 14:00.02 | g1powermac_apl | RobotGuy, you see, that isn't in my buildroot, at least specific for the z2 |
| 14:00.21 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: Hmmmm, OK, can't help then I guess, sorry. |
| 14:00.37 | RobotGuy | I tried. |
| 14:01.09 | g1powermac_apl | I wonder if it would be best to port over the hammer's buildroot to the zipit |
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| 14:02.16 | RobotGuy | Zipit2 is an PXA270? |
| 14:02.42 | g1powermac_apl | yup |
| 14:03.09 | RobotGuy | Amazing how I can remember some stuff and yet can't remember other stuff no matter how hard I try. |
| 14:04.06 | RobotGuy | Is PXA Marvell or Intel or ?? |
| 14:04.30 | g1powermac_apl | is having major memory issues atm, mainly because I have way too many things going on which distracts me when I do stuff |
| 14:04.39 | g1powermac_apl | its now owned by Marvell |
| 14:05.33 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_apl: If you look at how Buildroot is setup, maybe you can do something similar for the Marvell PXA270, or even clone and existing dir and edit that to fit your chip. |
| 14:06.45 | g1powermac_apl | prpplague, interesting, I'm reading this doc: http://buildroot.uclibc.org/buildroot.html#custom_targetfs |
| 14:06.57 | g1powermac_apl | and its saying to modify the stuff in tart/generic |
| 14:07.02 | g1powermac_apl | err, *target |
| 14:07.19 | prpplague | g1powermac: you can but that makes the build specific to your device |
| 14:07.35 | prpplague | g1powermac: leaves no room for submitting patches |
| 14:07.43 | g1powermac_apl | ahh |
| 14:07.44 | g1powermac_apl | ok |
| 14:08.13 | g1powermac_apl | so, would I just be able to copy the generic dir and create my own for the z2? |
| 14:10.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: pretty much, try modifing the generic first so you get the hang of things |
| 14:10.39 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:12.25 | RobotGuy | I think I'll just take a vacation from Hammer stuff for awhile and tinker with my Arduino (will have it later today). |
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| 14:27.42 | g1powermac | loves having a laser printer again, even though it takes about 30 seconds a page to print |
| 14:30.07 | g1powermac | I think its the oldest piece of equipment I'm currently using that serves a useful purpose |
| 14:31.48 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:32.53 | g1powermac | we got the thing refurbished about 10 years ago |
| 14:33.11 | g1powermac | actually, no, its older than that |
| 14:33.24 | g1powermac | I say about 13 years ago |
| 14:33.31 | g1powermac | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=17882&coll=ap |
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| 14:59.53 | prpplague | samuelr: greetings |
| 15:07.12 | solar | Only took me two weeks. but I finally know how to compile and upload the silly images for the arduino now. If you think you are going to bang your head less dealing with the avr vs linux. You might be in for a little supprise |
| 15:07.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:07.44 | prpplague | solar: i've just about got your stuff collected |
| 15:08.03 | solar | cool. |
| 15:08.33 | prpplague | solar: gotta build up your nail board sd adapter this afternoon |
| 15:09.02 | chouimat|work | arduino? |
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| 15:10.03 | solar | http://elinux.org/upload/6/63/Bottom.jpg <== those connectors |
| 15:11.47 | solar | chom: 8bit MCU thingy. atmega168 based. Kinda a nice little stater board for getting to know the avr family of microcontrolers. http://www.arduino.cc/ |
| 15:12.43 | chouimat|work | solar: look nice. but I'm currently having too much with the marvell orion and avr32 boards I have on my desk at work and home |
| 15:15.31 | chouimat|work | hide his neo freerunner before his coworkers find it :) |
| 15:16.21 | solar | chouimat|away: are you finding the softkey only thing to be anoying at all? |
| 15:17.50 | chouimat|work | solar: they are useable. the standard firmware is crap, so I updated to the qtopia image yesterday and now it's more stable, ok I lost the GPS but I don't need it :) |
| 15:18.18 | solar | it's using the teleit chip for modem? |
| 15:18.39 | chouimat|work | don't know |
| 15:25.53 | solar | prpplague: tct is selling the hammer carrier at LWE right? |
| 15:26.06 | prpplague | solar: yea |
| 15:26.10 | prpplague | solar: or atleast suppose to be |
| 15:26.37 | solar | prpplague: if so. I can simply pull off the hammer module (no de-soldering right)? And when I need to reflash it put it back on the nail? |
| 15:26.51 | prpplague | solar: yep |
| 15:27.07 | prpplague | solar: just have to be careful no to bend/break the pins |
| 15:28.01 | solar | Maybe I'll be in luck. And your man rusty will be low on Nails and willing to trade me. |
| 15:28.28 | solar | err no that would not work. still need a way to flash it. |
| 15:31.24 | solar | the other alternative to get proto-area would be to add 2 x 20 headers on the sides of nail where the traces are over to the chip? |
| 15:32.27 | prpplague | solar: yea you can do that |
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| 16:09.56 | prpplague | sjhill: hey hey |
| 16:10.00 | prpplague | sjhill: long time no see |
| 16:10.06 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 16:10.31 | sjhill | yeah, been goofing off |
| 16:10.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:11.32 | sjhill | doing two kernel releases for two different products |
| 16:11.40 | sjhill | and fixing bugs at the same time |
| 16:11.51 | sjhill | things have picked up again |
| 16:12.35 | sjhill | prpplague: what r u doin'? |
| 16:13.04 | prpplague | working like crazy trying to finish up a product release |
| 16:13.17 | sjhill | my fellow in pain |
| 16:13.28 | prpplague | sjhill: the EE had a year to do the electronics, and i get 60 days |
| 16:13.38 | prpplague | go figure |
| 16:15.27 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 16:15.37 | sjhill | i wish amazon would get some rob zombie |
| 16:15.42 | sjhill | mp3's that is |
| 16:21.52 | CosmicPenguin | are you more human then human? |
| 16:22.33 | sjhill | i think i'm more worm than human |
| 16:22.47 | sjhill | but i've come to terms |
| 16:22.53 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: how's the kid? |
| 16:23.09 | CosmicPenguin | she is doing awesome - just passed 6 months |
| 16:23.22 | sjhill | cool! |
| 16:23.42 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.crouse-house.com/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=5220 |
| 16:23.47 | sjhill | at this point she should have you pretty well wrapped around her finger |
| 16:23.53 | CosmicPenguin | yep, pretty much |
| 16:26.21 | g1powermac | dang, appletalk over ethernet is incredibly slow ;-) |
| 16:26.45 | CosmicPenguin | Also, breaking news - ice is cold |
| 16:26.51 | sjhill | heh |
| 16:26.57 | g1powermac | I think I could make the 19 floppies to install mac os 7.5.3 faster than this |
| 16:27.03 | sjhill | probably |
| 16:27.16 | g1powermac | 40+ minutes to transfer 21mb |
| 16:27.32 | sjhill | clearly you have too much time on your hands |
| 16:27.43 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 16:28.10 | g1powermac | nah, I just want to get this old mac classic II working so I can then install netbsd on it :-) |
| 16:28.38 | g1powermac | (you need to have mac os running on it to install other OSs) |
| 16:33.12 | g1powermac | I really wonder if linux could be installed on this thing, I just don't think its got enough ram for it |
| 16:33.26 | g1powermac | with the max ram set at 10mb |
| 16:33.41 | g1powermac | (it currently only has 4mb, but I'll be upgrading it) |
| 16:33.43 | prpplague | g1powermac: 4mb ram and 4mb storage is about as small as you can get with linux |
| 16:33.59 | g1powermac | hmm, there maybe hope then |
| 16:34.22 | prpplague | uclinux usually can do 1mb ram/ 2mb storage |
| 16:34.41 | ds2 | morning |
| 16:34.47 | prpplague | ds2: greetings |
| 16:34.50 | g1powermac | well, I don't need to use uclinux, this sucker does have an mmu |
| 16:35.14 | g1powermac | though thats good to know |
| 16:35.21 | ds2 | prpplague: the hammer booth was too busy for me to harass your boss ;) |
| 16:35.24 | g1powermac | I got a few other things that might work for :-) |
| 16:35.42 | prpplague | ds2: wow |
| 16:36.23 | sjhill | ds2: booth where? |
| 16:36.29 | ds2 | sjhill: LWE |
| 16:36.52 | ds2 | prpplague: the nail thing is just screaming for one of those Nokia LCDs |
| 16:37.04 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:37.47 | ds2 | maybe 2 touch switches on the end caps too |
| 16:38.22 | ds2 | if had an internal battery, that form factor would lend itself nicely to accelerometers |
| 16:39.15 | prpplague | ds2: the nail has two push buttons onboard |
| 16:39.15 | prpplague | ds2: but you can add two more via the 2x10 header |
| 16:39.31 | prpplague | ds2: you can use the push buttons from radio shack easy |
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| 16:40.08 | prpplague | anothermike: greetings |
| 16:40.10 | prpplague | ds2: the booth was really busy? |
| 16:40.40 | anothermike | hi prpplague |
| 16:40.49 | ds2 | prpplague: oh, didn't get a chance to have that close of a look |
| 16:41.05 | ds2 | prpplague: a touch sensor is just cooler |
| 16:41.18 | kergoth`work | http://indexed.blogspot.com/2008/08/and-little-boys-snicker.html |
| 16:41.30 | ds2 | maybe 2 slider things to turn the end caps into virtual knobs |
| 16:41.41 | kergoth`work | meh, is it friday yet? |
| 16:43.09 | prpplague | kergoth`work: i wish |
| 16:43.19 | prpplague | kergoth`work: this audio codec stuff is way too much fun |
| 16:44.23 | prpplague | ds2: well via the header you can add alot of stuff |
| 16:45.01 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod* I was thinking more of awe factor for demos |
| 16:45.24 | ds2 | codecs are easy |
| 16:45.38 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i had planned on several different items for LWE, but since i didn't go i didn't spend time on it |
| 16:45.49 | ds2 | now drowning in power management.... |
| 16:45.53 | prpplague | wonders what kind of "herb" is smoking |
| 16:46.10 | prpplague | wonders what kind of "herb" ds2 is smoking |
| 16:46.34 | prpplague | this alsa-soc layer is not very documented, imho |
| 16:46.39 | ds2 | unless the samsung stuff is radically different then the OMAPs... |
| 16:46.50 | ds2 | oh right you are dealing with the SOC stuff, I just went direct |
| 16:49.20 | ds2 | besides, who knows what kind of herbs... with the recent fires in the santa cruz mountains around here.... |
| 16:49.38 | prpplague | ds2: HA, good point |
| 16:53.47 | sjhill | huh |
| 16:53.59 | sjhill | that guy on the buildroot list didn't take my offer to write a makefile for $30 |
| 16:54.10 | sjhill | maybe he'll do it himslef |
| 16:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | what a deal! |
| 16:54.32 | sjhill | i thought so |
| 16:55.11 | chouimat|work | prpplague probably the same kind I smoked saturday night :) |
| 16:56.45 | sjhill | speaking of drugs |
| 16:56.47 | solar | heads to LWE now. |
| 16:56.58 | sjhill | has anyone ever tried that drink called Cocaine? |
| 16:57.09 | chouimat|work | !me |
| 16:57.09 | sjhill | i've not gotten up enough guts to order a 4-pack |
| 16:57.15 | sjhill | chouimat|work: how was it? |
| 16:57.28 | chouimat|work | sjhill: I said "not me" |
| 16:58.11 | sjhill | doh |
| 16:58.15 | sjhill | missed the bang |
| 16:59.22 | chouimat|work | :) |
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| 17:11.49 | samuelr | prpplague: Delayed greetings back at you :-) |
| 17:12.09 | prpplague | samuelr: whats cookin? |
| 17:13.15 | ds2 | prpplague: have you seen the "BUGS" stuff? |
| 17:13.42 | prpplague | ds2: don't belive i have |
| 17:13.53 | prpplague | or atleast it doesn't ring a bell |
| 17:14.02 | ds2 | look at http://www.linuxjournal.com/ |
| 17:14.08 | ds2 | the front cover has a picture of it |
| 17:14.53 | ds2 | it is an iMX31 based setup, they were next to the hammer booth/kiosk... the led/touch screen on the hammer would be an interesting face up |
| 17:15.56 | prpplague | ds2: ahh yea, i've seen those, just didn't remember the name |
| 17:18.18 | ds2 | prpplague: flashier and more robust but $$$$$$ compared to the hammer |
| 17:18.26 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 17:18.48 | prpplague | ds2: not sure about how more robust it is, just has more ready made modules |
| 17:19.20 | ds2 | prpplague: it has locking plastic cases so the modules are mechically locked in place by more then the connector |
| 17:19.28 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
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| 17:27.32 | chouimat|work | looks at the beagleboard and drools |
| 17:43.00 | mnemoc | prpplague: have you think about a site similar to beagleboard.org to promote the hammer? |
| 17:43.40 | prpplague | mnemoc: we have www.tincantools.com and www.elinux.org |
| 17:43.45 | ds2 | mnemoc: you have seen elinux.org + tincan tools right? |
| 17:44.41 | mnemoc | yes |
| 17:45.48 | mnemoc | i just mean beagleboard.org is *far* more attractive at first look (as a selling site) |
| 17:45.51 | prpplague | mnemoc: what aspect of the beagleboard.org do you find different that the tincantools sites |
| 17:46.36 | prpplague | mnemoc: ahh, well i have no control over any of that |
| 17:51.30 | mnemoc | prpplague: (just about first impressions) one is a "modern looking" site promoting a board as a project pointing to where you can buy the hardware, the other is the site of a company selling it's products |
| 17:52.06 | prpplague | mnemoc: not sure i see the difference |
| 17:52.07 | mnemoc | prpplague: sort of "web 2.0/viral marketing" vs. "web 1.0/dot com age site" |
| 17:52.40 | prpplague | mnemoc: like i said, that is nothing i have control over, elinux.org is the only section inwhich i work with |
| 17:53.26 | mnemoc | ^_^ |
| 17:55.06 | prpplague | mnemoc: i'm very jaded as to web site's for products |
| 17:55.27 | prpplague | mnemoc: i like to have the information organized and easy to retrieve |
| 17:55.29 | prpplague | mnemoc: thats it |
| 17:55.46 | prpplague | mnemoc: you could post something on the forum pages |
| 17:55.58 | prpplague | mnemoc: the owner of TCT will read it |
| 17:56.07 | prpplague | mnemoc: leave me out of it, hehe |
| 17:56.13 | mnemoc | ^_^ |
| 17:57.12 | prpplague | mnemoc: i stricly work on TCT products as a community item, i'm not an official employee of TCT |
| 17:57.36 | mnemoc | ok, understood :) |
| 17:58.05 | prpplague | mnemoc: my roll is more on the linux support and interesting projects with the hammer |
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| 18:00.30 | mnemoc | that was exactly my point, a site to promote the hammer as an "open technology" to make interesting projects using linux |
| 18:00.49 | mnemoc | share videos and stuff |
| 18:01.08 | mnemoc | "unrelated" to where can one buy the hardware |
| 18:01.18 | prpplague | isn't that what elinux.org does? |
| 18:01.33 | Crofton | mnemoc, funny I think beagleboard.org is overdone |
| 18:01.41 | Crofton | but, I am funny that way |
| 18:01.52 | CosmicPenguin | funny hah-hah? |
| 18:01.59 | prpplague | Crofton: i agree |
| 18:02.36 | Crofton | yeah, I like simple sites |
| 18:02.39 | mnemoc | prpplague: elinux.org is more "professional/boring" and of course not hammer centric |
| 18:03.06 | mnemoc | but it doesn't worth to extend this thread longer ;-) |
| 18:03.17 | prpplague | mnemoc: hmm, well, like i said, might try posting on the forum |
| 18:03.45 | prpplague | mnemoc: yea, i don't get paid to do hammer dev, so i can only do some much in my free time |
| 18:04.37 | prpplague | mnemoc: i had hoped that the eval kits we gave away would spark some good projects, but it didn't turn out that way |
| 18:05.08 | mnemoc | :( |
| 18:06.40 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:10.09 | prpplague | mnemoc: was there a project you had in mind for the hammer? |
| 18:11.31 | prpplague | ho ho hum, this codec is driving me nuts, can't seem to get all the frequencies to match up |
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| 18:13.27 | mnemoc | prpplague: nope... i'm just a software guy wanting to learn to play with non-x86 hardware and dreaming to run his software on ARM instead of C3 (need ethernet and 4 RS232 with rj45 plugs) |
| 18:15.14 | prpplague | mnemoc: ahh ok |
| 18:15.28 | Madsy | Does the ARM address mode 1 (barrel shifter) update the sign flag *before* the actual instruction gets executed? |
| 18:15.56 | Madsy | In that case, LSL, LSR, ASR, ROR and RRX might affect some conditionals, correct? |
| 18:16.19 | prpplague | Madsy: most of don't do asm level coding, best to check the ARM ARM |
| 18:16.27 | mnemoc | prpplague: the hammer kit should (hopefully) let me learn some electronics at the same time than getting my controller software and custom linux OS work on an ARM |
| 18:16.42 | Madsy | prpplague: I did, but I'll check again. |
| 18:16.52 | Madsy | I have a hardcopy here, of course. |
| 18:19.37 | Madsy | prpplague: It doesn't say, so I assume it updates carry before the actual instruction. Or else it would conflict with some instructions, like ADC and MUL. |
| 18:19.50 | Madsy | I said sign first, but I meant carry. |
| 18:22.19 | prpplague | Madsy: it has been awhile since i did arm asm, i usually do everything in C |
| 18:30.13 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 18:30.20 | prpplague | there must be something i'm missing here |
| 18:31.46 | chouimat|work | prpplague time to move your office to the nearest nudie bar ;) |
| 18:32.10 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i would but i'm broke, kids going back to school and such |
| 18:32.20 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 18:32.33 | kergoth`work | gotta watch out fo the back to school sales |
| 18:32.40 | kergoth`work | shit for $0.01 and stuff |
| 18:32.49 | kergoth`work | bought a bunch of office supplies, best time of year for it |
| 18:32.59 | chouimat|work | wonders how much he will pay for shipping if he orders a beagleboard |
| 18:33.01 | prpplague | yea, the weekend of the 15th is a tax holiday in texas |
| 18:33.06 | kergoth`work | nice |
| 18:36.03 | kergoth`work | looks like i'm gonna have to spend $3k on the 15th and an extra $650 a month until february to stop my house from being foreclosed :| |
| 18:36.49 | prpplague | kergoth`work: bummer |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | kergoth`work: the joys of owning realestate |
| 18:37.00 | agaffney | ugh |
| 18:37.11 | agaffney | maybe it's just me, but I never have a problem making my payments |
| 18:37.18 | kergoth`work | was finally on track to get a buffer/emergency fund in place, and was setting aside money for christmas and shit too |
| 18:37.23 | agaffney | but then I went looking for a house knowing exactly how much I wanted to pay per month |
| 18:37.27 | chouimat|work | hi kergoth`work agaffney |
| 18:37.30 | kergoth`work | my dad's livign in the place, he hasnt been able to keep up with the payments |
| 18:37.49 | chouimat|work | kergoth`work: :( |
| 18:37.49 | kergoth`work | i havent missed a payment on anything i pay in 6 months |
| 18:37.50 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 18:38.13 | kergoth`work | agaffney: that helps a lot.. so many people get houses that are more than they need |
| 18:40.00 | agaffney | kergoth`work: I've noticed :P |
| 18:40.14 | agaffney | I figured out what I could afford beforehand and added a bit of buffer room |
| 18:40.22 | agaffney | I wanted no more then $1000/month |
| 18:40.27 | agaffney | my payments are $1024 |
| 18:40.31 | agaffney | close enough :P |
| 18:40.47 | kergoth`work | i know one thing, i'm never getting a 30 year mortgage again |
| 18:40.51 | agaffney | and my wife and I are making a bit more money than we were when we got the place a bit over a year ago |
| 18:40.56 | kergoth`work | nice |
| 18:41.01 | agaffney | mine is 30 year |
| 18:41.16 | agaffney | the payments would have gone much higher with only 10 |
| 18:41.23 | agaffney | but this is also my first house |
| 18:41.27 | kergoth`work | nods |
| 18:41.28 | agaffney | and I don't plan on moving any time soon |
| 18:41.49 | kergoth`work | i was looking at this mortgage analysis spreadsheet |
| 18:41.53 | kergoth`work | $70.05 more per month and itll be paid off 3.9 years faster and save $23k |
| 18:41.59 | kergoth`work | Pay $137.36 more per month, and you'll pay off your house 9.2 years faster and save $57.708.56 |
| 18:42.06 | kergoth`work | on this loan, anyway |
| 18:42.08 | kergoth`work | crazy |
| 18:42.20 | chouimat|work | wow |
| 18:42.29 | agaffney | my bank actually provides a service where they will automatically charge you extra per month to speed up the payoff |
| 18:42.37 | agaffney | which really surprised me |
| 18:42.42 | agaffney | since they'd end up losing money |
| 18:42.45 | kergoth`work | that is surprising |
| 18:42.49 | kergoth`work | would lose quite a bit on the interest |
| 18:42.56 | kergoth`work | assuming people actually take them up on it.. |
| 18:43.37 | agaffney | true |
| 18:43.50 | agaffney | but they present the option quite clearly on their site |
| 18:43.52 | agaffney | when you login |
| 18:44.05 | agaffney | I've thought about it |
| 18:44.13 | prpplague | hates owning a house |
| 18:44.29 | agaffney | they also give you the option each time you make a payment to add extra to the principal and interest |
| 18:44.56 | kergoth`work | very cool |
| 18:44.58 | kergoth`work | what bank is this? |
| 18:45.00 | prpplague | agaffney: you married? |
| 18:45.03 | agaffney | prpplague: yes |
| 18:45.06 | kergoth`work | i really need to get the homestead papers filed, i'm sure i'm getting nailed on the property tax |
| 18:45.07 | agaffney | kergoth`work: Flagstar |
| 18:45.49 | agaffney | kergoth`work: homestead papers? |
| 18:46.13 | kergoth`work | some sort of tax benefit if its your primary residence |
| 18:46.30 | agaffney | is that a federal thing or per-state? |
| 18:46.36 | kergoth`work | no idea |
| 18:46.39 | kergoth`work | taxes hurt my head |
| 18:48.22 | agaffney | looks like MO only does it if you're over 65 or completely disabled |
| 18:48.30 | agaffney | and then it's only a credit up to $750 |
| 18:48.56 | kergoth`work | ah |
| 18:49.03 | agaffney | I'm neither :P |
| 18:53.20 | frikker | fairtax ftw :) |
| 18:53.30 | agaffney | eh? |
| 18:54.38 | frikker | http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main |
| 18:59.00 | prpplague | ho ho hum, seems my left/right channel sync isn't work ing :( |
| 19:00.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not why i'm always having to deal with combination of chips/devices that have never been done under linux before |
| 19:05.55 | CosmicPenguin | thats why it is fn |
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| 19:52.09 | mne | Hi guys. I managed to get openocd working with my at91sam9260 board. However, besides halting and resuming the cpu everything else does not seem to work. can you help me a bit with openocd ? I would like to run some code on the controller, dump the nand flash contents and such. Besides openocd, is there any other software I can use for flashing/debugging over jtag ? It seems to me that openocd doesn't work very well with my setup. |
| 19:52.54 | prpplague | mne: openocd is very robust |
| 19:53.32 | prpplague | mne: nand flash support may not be available for the at91 series, you should check your configuration file and version of openocd |
| 19:54.07 | mne | which version are you using ? I found no stable versions, so I compiled the current svn revision. Before that I was using the provided ubuntu linux package which is from 1997. |
| 19:54.46 | prpplague | mne: i use an older version, but the svn should have the latest nand support |
| 19:56.26 | mne | what are the most important config options so that openocd works with my controller ? I use an ftdi based Olimex ARM-USB-OCD jtag interface |
| 19:58.20 | prpplague | about freaking time.......... |
| 19:58.24 | prpplague | finally has audio |
| 19:58.40 | prpplague | mne: there are so many options, i could not begin to tell you |
| 20:01.42 | mne | Hmm. My config shouldn't be that wrong if I can halt and resume I guess. |
| 20:02.23 | prpplague | mne: the config includes alot more that just basic operation |
| 20:02.36 | prpplague | mne: memory, flash, timming, peripherals |
| 20:02.59 | prpplague | mne: in essential the config has to do everything a small bootloader would need to do |
| 20:04.12 | mne | My config is rather short. I guess I don't have all those necessary settings. This is the config I'm using: http://pastebin.com/m47456050 |
| 20:04.52 | mne | Are there any examples how I would have to set up openocd with my controller/board (Olimex at91sam9260 evaluation board) |
| 20:05.52 | prpplague | mne: i don't have an at81sam9260, so i can't help much, but there should be plenty of example info in the target library directory |
| 20:07.49 | mne | yep, there are the config files for various controllers, the sam9260 being among them. This is what I used in my config file. But the config is rather minimalistic, all the setup for memory, flash, timing and other parts you mentioned doesn't seem to be included |
| 20:17.22 | prpplague | mne: the only way to make it work is spend a little time to learn about the options available |
| 20:18.13 | mne | Even if I didn't configure peripheral devices, external memory and such I should still be able to dump some bytes from internal SRAM or ROM, right ? |
| 20:19.11 | mne | I just halted the CPU which worked. Then I tried to read one byte from the controller's internal SRAM at 0x200000. This also gives an error: memory read caused data abort (address: 0x00200000, size: 0x1, count: 0x1). |
| 20:19.48 | mne | A guy in #microcontroller told me that my USB JTAG dongle might be the problem ? |
| 20:23.38 | prpplague | mne: they are pretty reliable |
| 20:24.02 | prpplague | mne: what command did you use to read the address? |
| 20:24.38 | mne | first "halt" and then "mdb 0x200000 0x01" |
| 20:24.45 | mne | halt was successful |
| 20:25.14 | prpplague | mne: might try just doing "mdw 0x00200000" |
| 20:25.43 | mne | gives the same error |
| 20:26.19 | prpplague | mne: sounds to me you have something not correct in your config |
| 20:26.55 | prpplague | working_area 0 0x00200000 0x1000 backup |
| 20:27.11 | prpplague | you have that area configured as a work area |
| 20:27.19 | mne | Let me see |
| 20:27.43 | prpplague | you can't read from that area while it is configured as a work area |
| 20:28.19 | mne | yep, The address is defined as working area: "working_area 0 0x00200000 0x1000 backup" |
| 20:32.53 | mne | Do you run openocd on windows ? Most of the openocd tutorials I see seem to be for windows (cygwin) |
| 20:33.18 | mne | Do you think whether running openocd on windows or on linux makes a difference ? |
| 20:33.23 | prpplague | has been microsoft free since july 1997 |
| 20:33.49 | prpplague | mne: no it doesn't make a difference the code is the same |
| 20:34.05 | prpplague | mne: comment out the work_area definition, and then retry you memory read |
| 20:34.26 | prpplague | mne: jtag is a four letter word for a reason |
| 20:35.54 | mne | Cool, it seems to work. |
| 20:36.21 | mne | So why does it not work if I try to dump something that's in the working area ?? |
| 20:36.54 | prpplague | mne: because it is being used for work, when you define a work area, openocd uses that to upload and download small programs and to store settings |
| 20:39.22 | mne | So this is also the area that is used if I want to upload something that should be executed by the CPU but not programmed to flash ? |
| 20:40.04 | mne | Thanks for the help. I didn't think that the work_area caused my problems |
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| 20:41.08 | RobotGuy | Bad bad |
| 20:41.28 | mne | hmm ? |
| 20:43.07 | RobotGuy | Hard drives going bad. |
| 20:43.15 | RobotGuy | Loosing files |
| 20:46.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
| 20:47.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: pong |
| 20:47.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Looks like I will be offline. My hard drives are going bad fast - losing files. Not just one, but both drives. :( |
| 20:48.00 | RobotGuy | Apparently having read problems now too. |
| 20:48.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: okie dokie |
| 20:48.22 | mne | RobotGuy: good luck |
| 20:48.36 | RobotGuy | I guess I will just shut down and hope I can save some of my stuff. |
| 21:43.35 | g1powermac | ahh, bugger |
| 21:43.55 | g1powermac | destroyed his mac os 7.5.3 install while updating to 7.5.5 |
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| 21:50.06 | g1powermac | prpplague, interesting, I decided to poke around a little to see what kind of linux support there is for these old macs |
| 21:50.14 | g1powermac | and they're using the old 2.2.25 kernels |
| 21:50.26 | CosmicPenguin | thats when men were men and sheep were scared |
| 21:50.35 | g1powermac | heh |
| 21:51.07 | g1powermac | ahh, wait, they do use the 2.6 kernels |
| 21:51.21 | g1powermac | they just for some reason use both |
| 21:55.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought it was mountain goats over in your neck of the woods |
| 21:55.56 | CosmicPenguin | wyoming man |
| 21:56.02 | CosmicPenguin | all sheep |
| 21:57.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this is the last major hardware piece to get up and running |
| 21:57.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: should be all minor detail fixes |
| 21:58.08 | prpplague | i certainly did not expect to spend 4 days on the audio codec |
| 21:58.25 | g1powermac | prpplague, did you finally get it working? |
| 21:58.35 | prpplague | g1powermac: it is squeaking |
| 21:58.39 | g1powermac | kewl |
| 21:58.44 | g1powermac | what was the problem? |
| 21:58.47 | prpplague | g1powermac: speaker output isn't near what i would expect |
| 21:59.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: so either i still have a freq off, or i blew the amp when testing |
| 21:59.19 | prpplague | g1powermac: try a fresh board tomorrow |
| 21:59.35 | g1powermac | fun, fun |
| 21:59.44 | prpplague | i need a good .au file with nothing but a sine wave |
| 22:02.34 | g1powermac | time to reinstall mac os again |
| 22:02.44 | g1powermac | that'll take an hour. . . |
| 22:07.23 | prpplague | looks like its a crappy speaker |
| 22:09.25 | g1powermac | thats cool |
| 22:10.06 | prpplague | not so cool |
| 22:10.15 | prpplague | plastics and everything are all complete |
| 22:10.26 | g1powermac | hmm, true |
| 22:10.40 | prpplague | plus we have about 5k in stock |
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| 22:11.05 | prpplague | holy oss developer batman |
| 22:11.13 | prpplague | landley: greetings!!!! |
| 22:11.18 | prpplague | landley: where ya been boss man? |
| 22:11.55 | landley | Hiya! |
| 22:11.57 | landley | Let's see... |
| 22:11.59 | landley | Went to OLS. |
| 22:12.01 | landley | The server running landley.net went down while I was at OLS. |
| 22:12.07 | landley | ESR, meanwhile, had headed to sword camp, which is at a campsite in michigan that has no internet. |
| 22:12.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: i've give you three guess who chose the speaker and ordered without testing |
| 22:12.20 | g1powermac | the EE |
| 22:12.25 | prpplague | bingo |
| 22:12.26 | landley | I went from OLS to sword camp. Eric's sister wandered by to reboot the server on... tuesday? |
| 22:12.32 | g1powermac | figured |
| 22:12.35 | prpplague | g1powermac: you win 5k useless speakers |
| 22:12.43 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 22:12.48 | landley | So any email people tried to send me at OLS bounced, because the server was down for four days. |
| 22:12.58 | g1powermac | prpplague, I'll buy a few if you can't get rid of them :-) |
| 22:12.58 | landley | It apparently went down RIGHT as Eric and cathy left to get on a plane to michigan... |
| 22:13.06 | landley | I finally got back from sword camp last night. |
| 22:13.08 | landley | Catching up. |
| 22:13.13 | landley | FWL 0.9.0 release tonight. |
| 22:13.17 | landley | It rebuilds under itself now. |
| 22:13.23 | prpplague | landley: yea i tried to check your dev log and figured it was down |
| 22:13.27 | prpplague | landley: lovely |
| 22:16.13 | landley | Website and email, both down for 4 days. Sigh... |
| 22:16.26 | landley | Right as I was telling everybody at OLS to email me and check out the project I was working on. :P |
| 22:16.46 | landley | On the bright side, the prebuilt binaries for the release are compiling now... |
| 22:19.53 | g1powermac | huh, someone actually decided to try to run vista on a ps3. . .thats second disturbing thing today |
| 22:20.06 | g1powermac | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/08/05/vista-on-a-ps3/ |
| 22:20.09 | landley | ps3 is still powerpc architecture, right? |
| 22:20.26 | g1powermac | yup |
| 22:20.43 | g1powermac | so running on an emulator on the ps3 |
| 22:20.50 | landley | Ah, qemu. |
| 22:21.10 | landley | 24 minutes, 6 seconds boot time to start menu. |
| 22:21.20 | landley | On something that had export trouble for once again being a supercomputer. |
| 22:21.25 | g1powermac | thats even more far out than me playing with mac os 7.5.3 and linux/netbsd on my mac classic II |
| 22:22.03 | landley | Yeah, so the video basically boils down to "qemu runs on the PS3". Right. |
| 22:22.18 | g1powermac | yup |
| 22:22.54 | landley | Fun news from OLS: there was a "device tree bof" where people showed up who are trying to make arm and mips and sh4 platforms use the device tree infrastructure to boot their stuff. |
| 22:22.57 | g1powermac | is at least wanting to use his linux or netbsd running (need to decide which one) mac classic II to control some hardware over the serial port |
| 22:23.17 | landley | In response, the powerpc guys have created a device tree mailing list and moved discussions out of the powerpc list. |
| 22:23.41 | landley | The _fun_ part is that the device tree format that describes all the hardware for the kernel is, by definition, sufficient for qemu to use it to describe a board. :) |
| 22:23.47 | g1powermac | and maybe try out an enc28j60 to see if I can get net access on this classic :-) |
| 22:23.55 | landley | So qemu board definitions could become text files in the forseeable future. That would be good. |
| 22:24.26 | g1powermac | cool |
| 22:24.34 | g1powermac | bbiab |
| 22:35.22 | prpplague | heads home |
| 22:35.28 | prpplague | landley: good to see you back! |
| 22:52.18 | *** join/#edev Zagrophyte (n=TRosenba@74.7.129.242) |
| 23:25.35 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-070.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:27.33 | RobotGuy | OK, I made it back. On my server now. |
| 23:33.57 | g1powermac | wb RobotGuy |
| 23:34.56 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hi! It took me a bit, but I got everything setup so I can use my server for now. Not near as much memory (192 MB) on this box though. The other one has 2 GB RAM. |
| 23:35.41 | g1powermac | ouch, well, at least you got it back up and running |
| 23:35.47 | RobotGuy | This is a P3/733 MHz, versus the other which is an Athlon XP 2600+ |
| 23:35.49 | g1powermac | is still playing with mac os 7.5.3 |
| 23:36.03 | g1powermac | I destroyed my first install when upgrading it to 7.5.5 :-) |
| 23:36.10 | RobotGuy | Uh oh. |
| 23:37.28 | RobotGuy | I won't be doing much software building, if any, on this box. |
| 23:39.02 | RobotGuy | Hey, I see LANDLEY! |
| 23:43.14 | landley | robotguy: hiya. |
| 23:43.36 | RobotGuy | landley: How goes everything? |
| 23:43.40 | landley | Building the tarballs for the FWL 0.9.0 release. |
| 23:43.46 | RobotGuy | Cool! |
| 23:43.54 | landley | I keep tweaking _one_more_thing_ which requires a complete rebuild of all targets. |
| 23:44.10 | landley | The most recent one was a one line patch to make the "You have no mdev.conf, let me complain about it for a full screen!" busybox thing go away. |
| 23:44.12 | landley | It annoyed me. |
| 23:44.13 | RobotGuy | I know all about "One more thing.." :) |
| 23:44.29 | landley | It didn't do that when I wrote it. Or when I was maintaining it. |
| 23:44.36 | landley | But a number of questionable decisions have since been made in its upkeep. |
| 23:44.49 | landley | (It moved away from home and joined a motorcycle gang, apparently.) |
| 23:44.56 | RobotGuy | Oh no! |
| 23:44.57 | landley | shrugs. Eh. |
| 23:47.01 | RobotGuy | I got my Arduino and Proto Shield kit today. :) And two BlinkM LEDS and a new JTAG. |
| 23:52.56 | RobotGuy | I'm going to have to completely rebuild the OS on my main PC when I get new hard drives. I'm going to be looking around for 3D CAD software for Linux, if any exists. |
