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| 00:26.10 | g1powermac | alright, so does anyone else with m68k macs willing to donate them to a good cause? :-) |
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| 01:52.18 | agaffney | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/beagleboard-149-linux-system |
| 01:52.31 | agaffney | anyone have any comments about that device? |
| 01:53.41 | solar | agaffney: I saw them at LWE. Cute. Neat. But it's a PDA more or less if you think about it. |
| 01:53.57 | solar | and kinda a bulky one. But would make one heck of a Kiosk |
| 01:54.24 | solar | or a slick thin client |
| 01:54.49 | agaffney | yeah, it's definitely for a small form factor desktop |
| 01:54.56 | agaffney | a bit more than PDA-ish |
| 01:54.59 | solar | depends on your goals really. I think david said all 400 units sold in just 4 days |
| 01:55.32 | agaffney | hmm, no ethernet, though |
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| 02:21.19 | solar | no need it has USB |
| 02:22.40 | solar | they did mention the tct jtag board. should probably pass that on so they know when they are in the news |
| 02:25.54 | landley | binutils 2.18 is an abomination. |
| 02:26.02 | landley | It may function great if you can build it, but its build system is just _insane_. |
| 02:26.49 | landley | (Why does it even have ./configure if it tries to run makeinfo anyway? Why does it probe for "x86_64-walrus-linux-ar" and then think it found it when it doesn't exist? Did nobody ever actually test this thing?) |
| 02:29.16 | solar | wow. Not sure what problems you are having at your end. But binutils-2.18 has probably been of of the most solid binutils releases in a very long time. (cross aware etc..) |
| 02:29.47 | solar | or maybe vapier just fixed all the bugs before I ever had a chance to see them |
| 02:31.50 | landley | Binutils itself may be great. |
| 02:32.04 | landley | Trying to actually _build_ it (as part of a cross compiler) is fighting me. |
| 02:32.29 | landley | The ./configure in the "intl" directory is mis-detecting the host tools. It probes for something that doesn't exist and thinks it found it. (?) |
| 02:32.44 | landley | And if you haven't got "makeinfo" installed it tries to call it anyway, and then errors out. (So what is ./configure for, then?) |
| 02:33.23 | landley | The fix to both of these problems seems to be a selective "rm -rf" of broken subdirectories I don't actually need (it breaks trying to build the libbfd docs; I don't want the libbfd docs). |
| 02:33.50 | landley | But with my setup, that's actually nontrivial to do. I factored out that shared infrastructure into a shell function, and now I've got a package that wants to change it. Sigh... |
| 02:34.04 | landley | Oh well. This happens... |
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| 04:50.10 | sunrunner20 | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/08/solderrings.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 04:50.13 | sunrunner20 | :\ kinda lame |
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| 07:01.28 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 07:33.18 | landley | Bwahahaha! |
| 07:33.28 | landley | Me:1 Binutils: 2.18 |
| 07:33.33 | landley | And yet, I win anyway! |
| 07:51.05 | solar | heh |
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| 14:09.49 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin monday! |
| 14:12.03 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 14:12.46 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:13.20 | prpplague | chouimat|work: had to do a geography lession with my wife yesterday on the locations of toronto and ottawa |
| 14:13.38 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 14:14.34 | Crofton | They are in Canadia, right? |
| 14:14.54 | chouimat|work | last time I checked they were ;) |
| 14:15.03 | sjhill | gives Crofton an A+ for his geography report |
| 14:15.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:15.21 | Crofton | The CNN tower is in Toronto? |
| 14:15.33 | Crofton | waits for chouimat|work to slap him |
| 14:15.41 | prpplague | being from an island, she has trouble understanding the distances involved |
| 14:15.46 | sjhill | CNN - Canadian News Network |
| 14:15.48 | sjhill | of course |
| 14:15.51 | sjhill | it all makes sense now! |
| 14:16.01 | chouimat|work | Crofton: I won't because I know this is the kind of geography lessons you get in the usa http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=656c268e-ff70-43a3-9e52-b4923c42e1f2 |
| 14:16.50 | Crofton | rofl |
| 14:17.05 | Crofton | actually, it depends onthe state you live in |
| 14:17.13 | Crofton | mostly they just show the state |
| 14:17.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ottawa - toronto is about the same distance than ottawa - quebec city |
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| 14:47.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:48.44 | CosmicPenguin | hiya |
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| 15:18.31 | RobotGuy | Beep beep |
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| 16:04.44 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 16:04.57 | prpplague | kergoth`work: greetings earthling |
| 16:05.32 | kergoth`work | anyone have a recommendation for a linux wireless router that isnt a linksys, but is preferably still relatively cheap? I've got one of those weak wrt's at the moment and its acting up, random packet loss at times |
| 16:15.36 | sunrunner20 | kergoth`work: you changed anything on it, eg installed a custom os? |
| 16:15.48 | sunrunner20 | packet loss is generally a driver issue |
| 16:15.51 | solar | kergoth: not sure if you want to devote the time to hacking up a quick firmware image but I really love being able to use my own cards. http://soekris.com/net4521.htm |
| 16:15.55 | kergoth`work | i switched to dd-wrt, it was acting up in other ways with the stock firmware |
| 16:20.12 | RobotGuy | What model LinkSys is it? |
| 16:22.12 | kergoth`work | wrt54gs. v5, one of the gimped ones |
| 16:22.20 | kergoth`work | a soekris doesnt sound like a bad way to go.. hmm |
| 16:22.25 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:22.27 | sunrunner20 | http://imagechan.com/img/4296/polevault/ |
| 16:22.30 | sunrunner20 | nub forgot to let go |
| 16:24.20 | RobotGuy | I don't like the GS at all. You need a G or GL. |
| 16:24.27 | RobotGuy | GL preferred. |
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| 16:28.22 | sunrunner20 | I can hard crash my router so I don't see why people complain about a lost packet or two |
| 16:28.28 | solar | kergoth: I quite like them. It's still low power. Lots of interface options. Ability to use diff minipci,pcmcia cards. boot off the CF. drivers are rock solid (cept gpio you have to patch that yourself) |
| 16:28.51 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: because networking gear is supposed to work |
| 16:28.58 | MothaWork | it's in the name, after all |
| 16:28.59 | MothaWork | netWORKing |
| 16:29.26 | MothaWork | apparently I'm spoiled by commercial grade networking gear |
| 16:29.31 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 16:29.31 | MothaWork | I don't tolerate packet loss |
| 16:29.47 | MothaWork | I actually have a real store and forward switch |
| 16:30.02 | MothaWork | 24 ports |
| 16:30.10 | sunrunner20 | I have a 15/2 line with a router that crashes whenver i use bittorrent |
| 16:30.10 | MothaWork | no, you can't have it :) |
| 16:30.20 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: It's just like most consumer grade "routers" are not routers at all. |
| 16:30.25 | MothaWork | 20/5 and I use my PC as a router |
| 16:30.38 | MothaWork | RobotGuy: indeed, they're dumb NAT boxes |
| 16:30.48 | MothaWork | which, technically, is a router |
| 16:30.50 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: Yep. |
| 16:30.51 | kergoth`work | i just want a NAT box that has QOS so my torrents wont monopolize my bandwidth, and with a bridge to 802.11 |
| 16:30.54 | MothaWork | however...yeah |
| 16:30.55 | kergoth`work | dont care about much else |
| 16:31.07 | RobotGuy | But it is misleading because they don't work with static IP nets. |
| 16:31.29 | MothaWork | oddly enough, the OLD (like 7+ years) Linksys stuff had static configuration options |
| 16:31.36 | RobotGuy | You can not disable NAT in most of them. |
| 16:31.36 | sunrunner20 | kergoth`work: configure your client properly |
| 16:31.49 | MothaWork | and of course the new ones do if you put DD-WRT or similar on them |
| 16:32.09 | RobotGuy | Not true of most of the new ones unless you replace the firmware. |
| 16:32.10 | kergoth`work | why should i have to? i'd much rather prioritize the traffic for certain services so nothing will ever go ahead of them |
| 16:32.19 | MothaWork | the modern ones are just so underpowered for what people need them for |
| 16:32.24 | sunrunner20 | every bitorrent client i know of allows you to limit bandwith |
| 16:32.32 | kergoth`work | yes, and? |
| 16:32.43 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: it's truely amazing what a little outbound queue prioritization can do |
| 16:32.59 | sunrunner20 | yea like keep you from using 100% of your bandwith :) |
| 16:33.08 | MothaWork | no, ALLOW you to use 100% of your bandwidth |
| 16:33.11 | kergoth`work | no.. |
| 16:33.19 | sunrunner20 | then smoothwall's is fail |
| 16:33.30 | sunrunner20 | because it woulden't let me use all of my bandwith |
| 16:33.49 | MothaWork | well, you have to drop a couple kbps in order to nullify the cable modem/DSL modem/FiOS gateway/whatever's stupidly long outbound queue |
| 16:33.59 | MothaWork | but on modern connections, 5kbps is nothing |
| 16:34.11 | MothaWork | and that's speed you'd never see anyway without the queue manipulation |
| 16:34.59 | MothaWork | perhaps you didn't set things up right |
| 16:35.14 | MothaWork | it's hard to do outbound queue optimization without a good estimate of the outbound data rate |
| 16:35.48 | MothaWork | too low and you'll artificially limit your speeds, too high and the outbound gateway ends up re-queueing things and making your efforts worthless |
| 16:36.39 | sunrunner20 | comon digikey... ship out the part so I can put this laptop back together |
| 16:40.50 | RobotGuy | goes to hunt down some calories |
| 16:50.53 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:52.39 | sunrunner20 | chumbawamba... I haven't listened to this group in ages |
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| 17:21.54 | prpplague | ds2: ping |
| 17:59.50 | prpplague | Crofton: ping |
| 18:00.20 | Crofton | pong |
| 18:01.26 | prpplague | Crofton: hey, someone emailed me with an interest in the beagle, mind if i forward the email to you? |
| 18:02.33 | Crofton | hmm, any reason not to forward it to jkridner>? |
| 18:02.45 | Crofton | I don't mind, just not sure how much I can do with it |
| 18:03.07 | prpplague | ahh, np, not even sure who this person is or why they email me |
| 18:03.35 | prpplague | "MT" <nanogens@yahoo.com> |
| 18:03.40 | Crofton | yeah, sounds like a loon :) |
| 18:04.06 | prpplague | Crofton: know that person? |
| 18:04.12 | Crofton | after a while you start getting random emails |
| 18:04.24 | Crofton | doesn't look familiar |
| 18:04.34 | prpplague | okie dokie |
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| 18:55.19 | solar | prpplague: Re beagle. Thats cuz you the flyswatter is suggested for use with the beagle |
| 18:55.34 | solar | linuxjournal or so. I'll see if I can dig up the url |
| 18:55.55 | prpplague | solar: ahh |
| 18:56.01 | prpplague | solar: they have my address posted? |
| 18:56.45 | solar | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/beagleboard-149-linux-system <-- towards the end. |
| 18:56.58 | solar | prpplague: nope. But thats my guess on how they could somehow be related. |
| 18:57.35 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:58.52 | chouimat|work | prpplague: can I use the flyswatter with other cpus than arm? |
| 18:59.08 | prpplague | chouimat|work: in theory yes |
| 18:59.16 | prpplague | chouimat|work: have we done it? no |
| 18:59.25 | prpplague | chouimat|work: openocd only supports arm right now |
| 18:59.28 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I just want the theory ;) |
| 18:59.43 | prpplague | chouimat|work: but there isn't any reason it can't be used with anything that has jtag |
| 18:59.58 | prpplague | chouimat|work: and i have the flyswatter working with avrdude |
| 19:00.13 | prpplague | chouimat|work: but right now it is strictly a hack for programming avr via isp |
| 19:00.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: just need to write the appropriate software :) |
| 19:00.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:02.49 | adyer | I saw some commits to openocd for MIPS support, haven't tried it though |
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| 19:18.50 | RobotGuy | Beep beep |
| 19:27.59 | RobotGuy | I just saw solar's "solar-thing" Nail/Arduino car. Pretty cool! |
| 19:28.19 | chouimat|work | ? |
| 19:29.04 | RobotGuy | He got an inexpensive R/C car from RS and is putting a Nail and Arduino on it, and it will be solar powered also. |
| 19:29.15 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 19:29.35 | RobotGuy | I am looking forward to seeing it in motion. |
| 19:33.17 | RobotGuy | I have my ArduinoBot I am working on too. I have most of what I want on the Proto Shield, but the wiring is going to be a bit of a PITA for me. I have a 3-axis accelerometer and compass module (both socketed) on there too. |
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| 20:00.56 | RobotGuy | BRB |
| 20:17.21 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 20:17.36 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 20:17.40 | prpplague | switch my pclk from 67.5 to 50.625, now my uart won't init :( |
| 20:17.44 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey |
| 20:17.57 | g1powermac | whats a happenin? |
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| 20:18.19 | g1powermac | has been landscaping for a good chunk of the day |
| 20:18.26 | prpplague | looks like the uart code is still grabbing a 67.5 based baud rate |
| 20:19.12 | prpplague | hmm, or possibly there is a rounding not occuring properly |
| 20:19.14 | prpplague | looks |
| 20:24.28 | adyer | prpplague: just send some capital u chars "UUUUUUU" - it works out to 0101010101 on the line, scope it and multiply freq. by 2 :-) |
| 20:24.57 | prpplague | adyer: yea, thats next if i don't see a coding error somewhere |
| 20:25.21 | g1powermac | adyer, huh, neat trick |
| 20:26.34 | adyer | g1powermac: lol been working with computers for about 25 years and I still need to know that and the difference between DTE and DCE. sad, really :-) |
| 20:26.45 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 20:27.14 | g1powermac | man you veterans make us new guys look way too young ;-) |
| 20:27.19 | g1powermac | is only 22 ;-) |
| 20:27.32 | RobotGuy | Young whipper snapper.. :p |
| 20:28.14 | adyer | the real respect should go to the guys who toggled in their boot loaders by hand. I started with a terminal and cassette tape - easy :-) |
| 20:28.31 | RobotGuy | I used to do that many many years ago. |
| 20:29.02 | chouimat|work | started on a ZX-81 |
| 20:29.06 | RobotGuy | I had to load the bootloader from the front panel switches so I could then use paper tape to load BASIC and my programs. |
| 20:29.14 | g1powermac | adyer, heh, I'd so try that out myself just for the fund of it |
| 20:29.17 | g1powermac | err, *fun |
| 20:29.44 | RobotGuy | I started on an Altair 8800b, and later an A model I bought. |
| 20:30.12 | g1powermac | awesome |
| 20:30.39 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: I had access to a TRS-80 Model 2 before the zx-81 but the zx-81 was my first own computer and I got it at 8 years-old |
| 20:30.59 | RobotGuy | I rmember the Trash-80 well. |
| 20:31.11 | RobotGuy | And the Commie-64 |
| 20:31.30 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: I think my Color Computer 3 still run ... OS-9 rocks! |
| 20:31.30 | RobotGuy | Apple II in various versions |
| 20:31.57 | RobotGuy | Converting AppleSoft programs to Apple Pascal. |
| 20:32.30 | g1powermac | so wants an apple II for the collection. . . |
| 20:32.49 | g1powermac | but man they're expensive on ebay |
| 20:34.00 | prpplague | adyer: yea appears something in the console setup routine isn't doing the calc properly |
| 20:34.11 | prpplague | adyer: the getty on the port comes up ok after boot |
| 20:35.54 | RobotGuy | I just want a PC I can depend on, with lots of disk storage and memory and super fast video and a big monitor. |
| 20:39.32 | prpplague | ahh found it |
| 20:42.01 | prpplague | adyer: code error, it was always rounding up on the dividor |
| 20:42.08 | prpplague | adyer: in this case it needed to round down |
| 20:42.26 | prpplague | adyer: one divisor higher than it should have been |
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| 22:00.56 | prpplague | hmm, i got a bad mask setup somewhere :( |
| 22:01.03 | prpplague | i hate it whent that happens |
| 22:11.03 | RobotGuy | gives prpplague an avocodo mask.. :) |
| 22:12.09 | chouimat | RobotGuy: hehe |
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| 22:33.08 | RobotGuy | I have started the paperwork to get my power chair replaced. :) |
| 22:35.25 | prpplague | i have started the paperwork to get my brain replaced. :) |
| 22:36.03 | RobotGuy | I could make ya a brand new robot brain. :) Hmm, it might not work right the first time though.. :) |
| 22:36.33 | prpplague | is reminded of a class star trek episode "Spock's Brain" |
| 22:36.44 | RobotGuy | I usually get it working pretty good the second or third time. |
| 22:36.56 | RobotGuy | Oh yeah, I remember that one. |
| 22:37.08 | prpplague | goes home for the day |
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| 23:59.36 | RobotGuy | Zippity Dooo Dah |