| 00:03.05 | MonMotha | solar: oh yeah, no problem |
| 00:04.09 | solar | thanks |
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| 00:22.44 | g1powermac | http://emile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:22.51 | g1powermac | err |
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| 01:08.49 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 01:08.52 | purl | landley <n=landley@cpe-70-116-30-223.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 1d 17h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'People to talk to at 2am texas time...'. |
| 01:09.15 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 01:09.22 | prpplague | throws a bunch of empty beer bottles at solar |
| 01:09.29 | g1powermac | heh |
| 01:10.20 | g1powermac | prpplague, I got a quick question for ya |
| 01:10.24 | g1powermac | if ya have a second |
| 01:10.26 | prpplague | g1powermac whats up mr.ky? |
| 01:10.38 | g1powermac | as part of a gcc compile directive, what would this mean exactly: -L$(TOP)/../libiso9660/m68k-linux -liso9660 ? |
| 01:10.41 | prpplague | takes the laptop out side to the porch |
| 01:10.45 | g1powermac | is it basically saying search in $(TOP)/../libiso9660/m68k-linux for library called iso9660? |
| 01:11.09 | prpplague | search in that dir for al libs |
| 01:11.19 | prpplague | the -L is a search path for libs |
| 01:11.23 | g1powermac | yea |
| 01:11.30 | g1powermac | but what about the second part? |
| 01:12.08 | prpplague | the second part is short cut for adding a specific lib, one sec and i will explain |
| 01:12.28 | prpplague | g1powermac if you have a program that is in two parts |
| 01:12.40 | prpplague | g1powermac for instance you have foo.c and bar.c |
| 01:12.58 | prpplague | g1powermac you normally would compile it like this: gcc -o foobar.bin foo.c bar.c |
| 01:13.04 | g1powermac | yea |
| 01:13.12 | prpplague | where foobar.bin would be the executable |
| 01:13.14 | g1powermac | thats what I've been trained in |
| 01:13.31 | g1powermac | its this custom library stuff I'm confused with, never played with it before |
| 01:13.48 | prpplague | g1powermac ok, so if you have a program that also needs to have library that goes with it you could do this |
| 01:14.06 | prpplague | g1powermac: gcc -o foobar.bin foo.c bar.c libpoo.so |
| 01:14.29 | prpplague | g1powermac so in most cases, the lib file name is kind of long |
| 01:14.41 | prpplague | g1powermac libpoo-1.1.2.so.0.1.3.5 |
| 01:14.46 | g1powermac | yea |
| 01:15.04 | prpplague | g1powermac do you really want to type that in or have make search for it? not really |
| 01:15.11 | prpplague | g1powermac so gcc supports a short cut |
| 01:15.20 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 01:15.33 | prpplague | g1powermac: gcc -o foobar.bin -lpoo foo.c bar.c |
| 01:16.11 | prpplague | g1powermac that allows gcc to search for a lib file with the name poo, like this: *poo*.so* |
| 01:16.12 | g1powermac | so, basically, the -L directive is telling gcc to search the directory and the -l is telling it to use the library within that dir |
| 01:16.15 | MonMotha | hey, wasn't there at one point a SPI USB Host chip out there? |
| 01:16.34 | MonMotha | as in a USB Host adapter that talked via SPI |
| 01:16.47 | prpplague | MonMotha its not purely spi, but yea |
| 01:16.54 | MonMotha | hum... |
| 01:16.58 | prpplague | MonMotha i have a couple at the office |
| 01:17.05 | prpplague | MonMotha its a nxp chipset |
| 01:17.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, ok, so this clears up a big portion on how this bootloader works |
| 01:17.11 | prpplague | iirc |
| 01:17.22 | MonMotha | I have an application for a couple little USB hosts. Just low speed HID stuff, and I'd like to use it with an 8-bit micro |
| 01:17.34 | MonMotha | I guess I could use something like an ARM7TDMI, but I don't need that |
| 01:17.49 | MonMotha | and I don't know of any ARM7TDMIs with USB host |
| 01:18.00 | prpplague | let me see if i recall what they are |
| 01:18.03 | MonMotha | only 8-bit options I know of are OTG, which is messy and only gives me a single port |
| 01:18.16 | MonMotha | I guess I can chuck it into single role mode, but it's still only 1 port |
| 01:18.16 | g1powermac | so it basically compiles something for the 'first' part which resides in the macs boot blocks, it then compiles the 'second' part which is looked up by the first part when loading |
| 01:18.21 | prpplague | seems like both are the ones i've know of are actually in the mainline |
| 01:18.25 | prpplague | goes to look |
| 01:18.26 | g1powermac | after that it then compiles tools |
| 01:18.41 | g1powermac | that manipulates the second part to tell it where the kernel resides |
| 01:18.47 | g1powermac | like what lilo does |
| 01:20.22 | prpplague | MonMotha isp1161 is one of them iirc |
| 01:20.44 | prpplague | and sl811 |
| 01:21.09 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'll look into those. I take it from your description that they have an oddball interface? |
| 01:22.36 | prpplague | checking, i can't remember which one is which one sec |
| 01:24.17 | prpplague | MonMotha ok so i lied |
| 01:24.27 | prpplague | MonMotha both support 8-bit low speed interfaces |
| 01:24.58 | MonMotha | excellent |
| 01:25.12 | MonMotha | you don't happen to know any small stuff (like ARM7TDMI type things) with dual USB Host, do you? |
| 01:25.24 | MonMotha | an ARM9 is pretty big for this application |
| 01:25.52 | prpplague | MonMotha sorry no, most arm7 stuff didn't have usb |
| 01:26.00 | prpplague | MonMotha those that do are pretty darn expensive |
| 01:27.01 | prpplague | MonMotha you be able to use 8-bit parallel? |
| 01:27.38 | RobotGuy | LPC24xx has USB Host |
| 01:28.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy oh yea i forgot about that one |
| 01:28.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy cost is pretty high though |
| 01:28.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: certainly could do parallel, yes |
| 01:28.41 | MonMotha | SPI would probably be easier, but parallel is possible |
| 01:28.52 | RobotGuy | The LPC24xx chips are real new, so price will likely go down over time. |
| 01:29.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea |
| 01:29.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy right now they aren't commercially practical |
| 01:30.03 | prpplague | MonMotha the sl811hs is available thru digikey |
| 01:30.23 | MonMotha | oh great, it's a Cypress part |
| 01:30.37 | MonMotha | Cypress scared me off by EOLing a part on me with zero warning once |
| 01:30.38 | prpplague | MonMotha yea, $6 in qty 100 |
| 01:30.49 | prpplague | MonMotha yea, they have done that before |
| 01:31.50 | MonMotha | they managed to do it in between when I sent off to have PCBs made and when I got them in and wanted assembly to commence |
| 01:32.04 | MonMotha | went from full production to EOL with nobody having any stock |
| 01:32.16 | MonMotha | ended up having to buy from a shady chinese dealer of "obsolete semiconductors" |
| 01:32.33 | MonMotha | got one stack of obvious pulls (advertised NOS) with bent pins and such, but the other stack did in fact appear NOS |
| 01:33.15 | prpplague | MonMotha yea we've gotta cypress chips that weren't even actually the right chip, the laser markings have be re-done |
| 01:33.24 | prpplague | i.e. fake chips |
| 01:33.39 | MonMotha | prpplague: I've heard of people getting chips from those types of outlets that aren't even chips |
| 01:33.45 | MonMotha | they are just lead frames with plastic on them |
| 01:33.46 | MonMotha | no die |
| 01:40.54 | prpplague | MonMotha doh |
| 01:41.07 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah. Fortunately that did not happen to us |
| 01:41.24 | MonMotha | I've taken to requiring 3 suppliers of everything I spec when at all possible |
| 01:41.28 | ds2 | I heard this was common with unofficial sources for maxim chips |
| 01:41.38 | MonMotha | 3 distributors at least, even if there's only one OEM |
| 01:41.56 | ds2 | like - me, myself, and I? ;) |
| 01:42.18 | MonMotha | usually ends up being Digi-Key, Mouser, and Arrow or similar |
| 01:42.42 | MonMotha | sometimes AVNet makes it in there, Future, Newark, etc. |
| 01:42.50 | MonMotha | in some cases we have the volume to go direct, which is handy |
| 01:43.29 | MonMotha | if possible I try to get at least 2 OEMs for a part with each OEM having 3 distributors (which may be shared between the OEMs) |
| 01:43.39 | MonMotha | that's easy on things like passives, but you can't usually do that with a micro :) |
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| 02:22.47 | prpplague | landley holy wifi-stealing batman! |
| 02:23.23 | prpplague | landley whats cookin in austin? |
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| 02:27.29 | landley | Hiya prpplague. |
| 02:27.36 | landley | Banging on FWL documentation. |
| 02:27.42 | landley | Just redid the web page. |
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| 02:29.53 | landley | Currently redoing the "about" page. |
| 02:29.57 | landley | Probably going to add a FAQ. |
| 02:30.00 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 02:30.05 | landley | How goes with you? |
| 02:30.12 | landley | Did that incompetent EE ever get fed to the wolves? |
| 02:30.16 | prpplague | things are a little better |
| 02:30.18 | prpplague | hell no |
| 02:30.31 | prpplague | but management is starting to see the writing on the wall |
| 02:30.44 | landley | They were starting to see the writing on the wall over a month ago. |
| 02:30.52 | landley | Glasses? |
| 02:31.22 | landley | How goes the nail board? I've been too busy to push it for... 2 months now? 3? What month is this... |
| 02:31.26 | prpplague | yea, i suspect after the completion of the 8050 project, they are planning to either let him go, or hire someone to supervise him |
| 02:31.29 | landley | Yeesh. Far too long. |
| 02:31.43 | prpplague | landley yea, slow, beagle board is all the rage |
| 02:31.50 | landley | What's beagle board? |
| 02:32.18 | landley | Ah, that thing. |
| 02:32.22 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8479495970.html |
| 02:32.59 | prpplague | yea, i'm still digging around to find some fun community interest |
| 02:33.19 | prpplague | i need some more cool killer projects, but i'm work out with the 8050 these days |
| 02:34.00 | prpplague | 60 days is just not enough to a bsp with gui apps |
| 02:35.56 | landley | Looking at the beagle, it's hard to tell if it's powered by the USB or needs a wall wart, and it seems its downstream connector is SD, not USB. |
| 02:36.06 | landley | That said, the processor's way more powerful than the one in hammer. |
| 02:36.18 | prpplague | it can be powered via usb, but the wallwart is prefered from what i hear |
| 02:36.30 | prpplague | landley yea 2 generations ahead of the beagle |
| 02:36.51 | prpplague | landley problem is that it is geared almost completely for software dev |
| 02:37.05 | landley | And a lot more flash. |
| 02:37.18 | prpplague | landley yea |
| 02:37.27 | prpplague | landley rusty has one |
| 02:37.36 | landley | Ok. |
| 02:37.40 | prpplague | landley he's already laid out a hammer-omap board |
| 02:38.30 | landley | Rusty has one what? A nail, or a beagle? |
| 02:38.36 | landley | And what would a hammer-omap board be? |
| 02:38.50 | prpplague | he has a beagle board |
| 02:39.20 | prpplague | hammer shape, i.e. small 40-pins , but using the omap instead of the s3c2440 |
| 02:40.11 | landley | ok |
| 02:40.34 | prpplague | hows fwl going? |
| 02:40.44 | prpplague | gotten any commercial interest? |
| 02:41.15 | prpplague | lots of the robotics folks are talking about your rev of tiny-cc run time function |
| 02:41.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: need hardware dev? I can recommend a company :) |
| 02:41.34 | prpplague | MonMotha i wish |
| 02:41.43 | prpplague | MonMotha we have tons of resources |
| 02:41.47 | prpplague | MonMotha just no head |
| 02:42.05 | prpplague | MonMotha its like hulk hogan capatated |
| 02:44.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, we're always happy to get projects |
| 02:44.12 | MonMotha | and you know you'll get halfway decent hardware design |
| 02:44.18 | MonMotha | and if you don't, you know who to complain to :) |
| 02:44.24 | prpplague | MonMotha yea, what i'd like to see is if you could resuse some of our cpu boards |
| 02:44.38 | MonMotha | that's certainly possible |
| 02:45.15 | MonMotha | one of the projects we are pursuing may not allow that due to space concerns (small handheld), but others might |
| 02:45.33 | MonMotha | we do have a board we can strip down to just a CPU board of our own based on the Atmel 9263 |
| 02:45.39 | prpplague | MonMotha i'm almost certain we'd sell them at cost just to increase out qty purchase price |
| 02:45.50 | MonMotha | well, that's an option then |
| 02:46.01 | MonMotha | I take it they are designed to be put on more peripheral/IO oriented carriers? |
| 02:46.39 | prpplague | yea, http://www.elinux.org/M5900 |
| 02:46.46 | prpplague | you can see the sodimm on the board |
| 02:47.05 | MonMotha | the sodimm is your processor board? |
| 02:47.23 | prpplague | for several models |
| 02:47.44 | MonMotha | gotcha |
| 02:48.22 | MonMotha | well, I'll keep that in mind |
| 02:48.44 | MonMotha | it's a decent formfactor, but the interconnects can kill you on size (that happens with any interconnect, not just the so-dimm formfactor used there) |
| 02:48.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:56.24 | landley | prpplague: FWL is doing ok. I'm starting to lure the occasional person away from scratchbox. :) |
| 02:56.40 | landley | prpplague: alas, I've lost all interest in working on tinycc. Haven't poked at it for months. |
| 02:57.19 | landley | Basically, the old CVS guys decided to do another release. If they want to keep that zombie upright, why should I bother? |
| 02:58.08 | landley | The 0.9.0 release of FWL is the first one that can rebuild itself under itself. The project is close to _done_. |
| 02:58.28 | landley | I've decided that the goal of the project is to make cross compiling go away. |
| 02:58.42 | landley | Provide a native build environment that runs under an emulator with the distcc acceleration trick. |
| 02:59.03 | landley | This opens up a whole second project, but it's a _separate_ thing. |
| 02:59.21 | landley | I want to make finding a build environment orthogonal to what you build in it. |
| 02:59.25 | prpplague | using qemu? |
| 02:59.35 | landley | Or real hardware. I'm agnostic. |
| 02:59.43 | prpplague | like the nail? |
| 03:00.06 | landley | The nail hasn't got enough memory, you need at least 128 megs to get gcc to rebuild itself. |
| 03:00.17 | landley | Real hardware sometimes has advantages, emulators sometimes have advantages. |
| 03:00.20 | prpplague | sledge hammerthen |
| 03:00.21 | solar | landley: nfs-swap |
| 03:00.35 | landley | solar: not going there. Feel free. |
| 03:00.56 | landley | Keep in mind that your page tables take up memory, and below a certain point adding swap actually reduces the amount of memory you have to work with. |
| 03:01.09 | landley | You can paralyze an underpowered system by putting too much swap on it. |
| 03:01.28 | landley | Anyway, the second project is to get distros to build using an externally provided build environment. |
| 03:01.45 | landley | Build gentoo under something _other_ than a stage 1 CD. Build fedora on something other than fedora. Build ubuntu on something other than ubuntu. |
| 03:02.02 | landley | Basically, starting from a Linux From Scratch style environment, bootstrap your way up to your system of choice. |
| 03:02.56 | landley | On the emulator vs real hardware front: |
| 03:02.56 | solar | the downside with your method of emulators is it reqires the end user to have tun/tap modules(root) or kernel support and to be able to set that up. |
| 03:03.49 | landley | Real hardware has the potential to be faster. (It isn't always, qemu can emulate at somewhere around 1/5 native speed, so my 1.6 ghz core 2 duo laptop is doing maybe a 400 mhz arm. |
| 03:04.18 | landley | Emulators leverage cheap fast PC processing power, so often that's a wash. |
| 03:04.30 | landley | For most other criteria, real hardware is a disaster. |
| 03:04.44 | landley | How much memory can you stick in it? (A laptop can have 4 gigs, real hardware is lucky to have 128 megs). |
| 03:04.52 | landley | How much storage? |
| 03:05.26 | landley | How easy is it to get files in and out? (Yeah, NFS. Building on NFS is a rich source of bugs due to make's dependence on timestamps fighting with NFS's cacheing behavior. In brief: avoid.) |
| 03:05.48 | landley | A big one is that you never have to schedule access to an emulator. Ever developer has their own, even multiple instances if they need it. |
| 03:06.16 | landley | Trivial to clone off 5 copies. Hard to do with real hardware when you have 3 prototype devices for a department of 8 people. |
| 03:06.52 | landley | You can take the emulator with you to work at home or on a plane, less easy to do with real hardware (other than the nail board). |
| 03:07.36 | landley | If you put real hardware into a shared environment like timesys did, in a server room, rebooting it and reflashing it becomes unnecessarily complicated. |
| 03:07.53 | landley | solar: why would the emulator require root support? |
| 03:07.56 | landley | I've never done that. |
| 03:08.01 | landley | I just use the masquerading "-user" stack. |
| 03:08.15 | landley | It can dial out just fine, no special access required. |
| 03:08.43 | landley | I can also port forward any port above 1024 into the emulator without requiring root access. |
| 03:08.50 | solar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.52 | landley | (The emulator binds to the port as a normal process.) |
| 03:08.58 | landley | solar: it's the default. |
| 03:09.04 | solar | hrmm |
| 03:09.06 | solar | cool then |
| 03:09.08 | landley | Haven't you ever booted knoppix under qemu? |
| 03:09.18 | solar | no |
| 03:09.25 | landley | When you go "qemu -cdrom knoppix.iso", when it boots up you can start web surfing immediately. |
| 03:09.47 | solar | interesting |
| 03:09.48 | landley | It hooks your virtual network card up to a virtual LAN, which includes a virtual server that provides DHCP and acts as a masquerading gateway. |
| 03:09.54 | landley | The 10.0.2.X network. |
| 03:10.28 | landley | The special address "10.0.2.2" tunnels to loopback on the host, so if you run a web server on the host's 127.0.0.1 port 80 the virtual system can see it as 10.0.2.2 port 80. |
| 03:10.42 | landley | That's how I do the distcc acceleration trick. |
| 03:10.59 | landley | Run distccd on a known port on loopback, then have the client look for that port on 10.0.2.2 for the daemon. |
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| 03:27.59 | landley_ | Sigh. |
| 03:28.18 | landley_ | I think I'll log off until I'm using reliable internet again... |
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| 04:03.13 | prpplague | ok, i have become totally old |
| 04:04.07 | prpplague | it is a sad sad thing when your 11 year son shows you "fight for your right" by the beastie boys on youtube and pronouces it as a totally awesome new video |
| 04:11.21 | solar | then you must introduce him to Rock Me Amadeus |
| 04:12.54 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 04:19.19 | prpplague | lots of good bajan music on youtube and comedy |
| 04:20.00 | prpplague | i'll wager that chouimat understands less than 10 words in the whole content of this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsyiizsgOFI&feature=related |
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| 15:42.04 | CosmicPenguin | why are people so millitant about OSS? |
| 15:42.07 | CosmicPenguin | I don't grok that |
| 15:43.16 | prpplague | millitant on which side pro or con? |
| 15:43.26 | CosmicPenguin | prp |
| 15:43.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems to me they are on both |
| 15:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | pro |
| 15:43.48 | CosmicPenguin | if you don't provide the OSS emulation modules in your distro, prepare for flames |
| 15:44.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i don't get the millitant portion on the pro side |
| 15:45.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you don't make friends when you are always "shouting" (metaphorically speaking) |
| 15:46.12 | CosmicPenguin | why would I want to make friends? |
| 15:46.14 | CosmicPenguin | people suck |
| 15:46.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess that is why they shout |
| 15:46.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they just don't care what other people think |
| 15:51.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows things at AMD? i know you guys posted a big loss last quarter |
| 15:52.26 | CosmicPenguin | what else is new? |
| 15:52.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i meant as far as jobs and such |
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| 16:42.23 | prpplague | hmm, is there an easy way to turn off the blinking cursor during boot when using fbconsole? |
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| 16:55.52 | MothaWork | anybody have any opinions on the BKL change that occured in 2.6.26? |
| 16:56.04 | RobotGuy | BKL? |
| 16:56.09 | MothaWork | big kernel lock |
| 16:56.51 | MothaWork | I think it was .26 |
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| 17:26.06 | sunrunner20 | you know its time to clean when you can't find the solder >_< |
| 17:49.56 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: http://qdb.us/5273 |
| 17:51.36 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 17:52.17 | chouimat|work | btdt |
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| 17:53.41 | Almentor | Hai!! |
| 17:55.19 | sunrunner20 | lol dialup ftl |
| 17:56.38 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: ? |
| 17:56.56 | sunrunner20 | that guy was on dialup lol |
| 17:57.29 | MothaWork | in some areas, dialup is the best you can do without paying through the nose for ISDN |
| 17:57.49 | MothaWork | or through other orifices for PRI |
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| 18:03.09 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: MothaWork http://qdb.us/32511 |
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| 18:20.08 | MothaWork | chouimat|away: yes, I've seen that one |
| 18:20.11 | MothaWork | it's a classic |
| 18:21.47 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:22.42 | g1powermac | meh, great, buildroot is giving me more problems again |
| 18:22.52 | sunrunner20 | MonMotha: I know, but dallas isn't one of them :) |
| 18:23.03 | chouimat|work | rpm takes a long time to compile |
| 18:23.10 | sunrunner20 | or rather chouimat|away |
| 18:23.50 | sunrunner20 | either way, it still sucks :) |
| 18:24.01 | sunrunner20 | and I feel sorry for the people who are stuck on it |
| 18:27.04 | chouimat|work | looks at the cables mess around his desk ... |
| 18:27.05 | MothaWork | sunrunner20: depends on where they are in Dallas |
| 18:27.15 | MothaWork | maybe they're out in the sticks outside of Dallas and dial in to Dallas for internet |
| 18:27.34 | MothaWork | or perhaps they already have a phone line and genuinely don't need anything more than occasional slow internet access at $5/mo |
| 18:28.06 | chouimat|work | if you only need email ... this is more than enought |
| 18:29.12 | sunrunner20 | I wouldn't pay for inte if all i did was email... I would grab starbucks' inet or something |
| 18:29.14 | sunrunner20 | but yea |
| 18:29.35 | MothaWork | if you already have POTS service, then dialup can really be had for $5/mo |
| 18:29.42 | MothaWork | sometimes free if you know the right people |
| 18:29.50 | MothaWork | and then you can at least check your email at home |
| 18:30.38 | sunrunner20 | as for the sticks... I don't really know of an area in dallas that has no high speed inet |
| 18:30.51 | MothaWork | like I said, he may not actually be in Dallas |
| 18:30.56 | MothaWork | he may be 40 miles outside of Dallas |
| 18:31.01 | MothaWork | (s/he) |
| 18:31.07 | MothaWork | Dallas may just be the closest POP |
| 18:31.20 | chouimat|work | or they have DSL at home and they used the dialup number of dallas because they are traveling |
| 18:31.33 | MothaWork | there are a lot of rural dialup ISPs that just basically provide local dialin lines and forward them on via a T1 to the nearest major city |
| 18:33.32 | chouimat|work | yay here goes my afternoon ... |
| 18:33.38 | chouimat|work | ... and probably my job |
| 18:39.47 | chouimat|work | http://aving.net/usa/news/default.asp?mode=read&c_num=96321&C_Code=02&SP_Num=0&mn_name= |
| 18:43.09 | MothaWork | hum, what res is the monitor on that sucker? |
| 18:43.19 | MothaWork | 1024x600 I think I see? |
| 18:46.54 | prpplague | hmm, somewhere my backlight driver is turning on before video |
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| 18:50.00 | [g2] | kergoth`work: wow :) |
| 18:50.20 | [g2] | anybody got a TS-7800 ? |
| 18:50.23 | kergoth | heh, hey [g2], been a while |
| 18:50.47 | chouimat|work | [g2]: no but I have several marvell orion based device around me |
| 18:51.33 | [g2] | kergoth: nice to see you! hope all is well |
| 18:51.48 | [g2] | chouimat|work: any good ones ? |
| 18:51.59 | MothaWork | gah, damned CVS keyword substitutions |
| 18:52.07 | MothaWork | they are making this merge REALLY hard |
| 18:52.39 | chouimat|work | [g2]: most of them are rd-88f5182, I have a few lacie EDmini Home Edition (we built the software for it) and I have a nice kurobox pro (get this one) |
| 18:53.40 | [g2] | are they still shipping the kurobox pros ? |
| 18:53.54 | chouimat|work | I got mine 2 weeks ago |
| 18:54.12 | [g2] | easy to put custom firmware on it ? |
| 18:54.37 | chouimat|work | yes you just need to add the 4 pins header for the serial port |
| 18:54.53 | chouimat|work | [g2]: I'm currently bootstrapping es5 on mine |
| 18:55.42 | [g2] | thru-hole ? |
| 18:56.04 | [g2] | oooh.... pcie-x1 |
| 18:56.09 | chouimat|work | yup |
| 18:56.31 | [g2] | was that a yup on the pcie-x1 too? |
| 18:56.39 | chouimat|work | yes |
| 18:57.09 | [g2] | any performance numbers ? on disk or ethernet ? |
| 18:57.24 | chouimat|work | 2 USB and 2 SATA ... second sata is on the front so you might need to pass a cable to the rear |
| 18:57.27 | chouimat|work | not yet |
| 18:58.52 | [g2] | jtag ? |
| 18:59.07 | chouimat|work | I didn't install it |
| 18:59.29 | [g2] | so with serial you get u-boot access right ? |
| 18:59.35 | chouimat|work | yes |
| 18:59.44 | [g2] | then just tftp load and go |
| 18:59.45 | chouimat|work | /dev/sda: |
| 18:59.47 | chouimat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.48 | chouimat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.58 | chouimat|work | [g2]: hdparm result ^^^ |
| 19:00.05 | [g2] | usb 2.0 ? |
| 19:00.12 | chouimat|work | ? |
| 19:00.26 | [g2] | sda is on USB or SATA ? |
| 19:00.30 | chouimat|work | sata |
| 19:00.48 | [g2] | ok and cpu util ? |
| 19:01.11 | chouimat|work | I don't understand |
| 19:01.44 | chouimat|work | uptime |
| 19:01.51 | [g2] | I'm wondering what 'top' says while hdparm is running, meaning how much cpu is left over for ethernet other I/O |
| 19:02.23 | chouimat|work | about 0.80 |
| 19:02.47 | [g2] | are you block/sector sizes 512 or 4096 on the disk ? |
| 19:02.51 | [g2] | your |
| 19:03.12 | chouimat|work | 512 |
| 19:03.13 | [g2] | I guess that doesn't matter with hdparm |
| 19:04.04 | [g2] | chouimat|work: THX! that's exteremly helpful |
| 19:04.09 | [g2] | extremely |
| 19:04.59 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 19:05.10 | g1powermac | hey [g2] |
| 19:05.22 | g1powermac | haven't seen ya around in awhile |
| 19:05.40 | chouimat|work | [g2]: it end up being cheaper than the ts-7800 and easier for me to use since I need an armel build machine at home |
| 19:07.32 | [g2] | there's only one SATA ? |
| 19:07.48 | [g2] | oh sorry, you mentioned the one in the front too! :) |
| 19:08.22 | [g2] | is the I2C accessible ? |
| 19:08.43 | [g2] | hmmm.... guess it doesn't matter there's serial |
| 19:08.56 | [g2] | and maybe gpio |
| 19:09.32 | chouimat|work | [g2]: they are both available you just need to add the 4 pins header too |
| 19:11.01 | chouimat|work | [g2]: serial,i2c and gpio are all on the daugther board so it's not too complicated to add the headers ... jtag is on the mainboard |
| 19:15.54 | g1powermac | is really starting to get annoyed at buildroot |
| 19:16.24 | [g2] | g1powermac: hey! |
| 19:17.00 | g1powermac | [g2], so hows it going? |
| 19:17.09 | [g2] | good thx. You ? |
| 19:17.23 | g1powermac | not bad, getting annoyed at buildroot :-) |
| 19:17.29 | [g2] | heh |
| 19:17.57 | [g2] | I saw a company in the last couple days and thought of you.... iirc G1 Interfaces, LLC |
| 19:18.04 | g1powermac | I'm working on helping to develop a bootloader for old m68k macs |
| 19:18.10 | g1powermac | ahh, kewl |
| 19:18.20 | [g2] | is that your company ? |
| 19:18.28 | g1powermac | no, but it sounds good :-) |
| 19:18.43 | g1powermac | mine is g1 technology or just GenerationOne :-) |
| 19:18.43 | [g2] | GL on the bootloader |
| 19:18.55 | [g2] | url ? |
| 19:19.07 | g1powermac | eventually I'll incorporate it into a real business |
| 19:19.15 | g1powermac | I'd give ya the url if the server was working :-) |
| 19:19.22 | [g2] | LOL |
| 19:19.46 | g1powermac | it is g1technology.com whenever it does come back to life |
| 19:21.21 | g1powermac | has been gathering a bunch of old macs together for this project |
| 19:21.47 | g1powermac | both ds2 and GPSFan are going to be donating their old macs, I'll be sending them shipping labels for them |
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| 19:41.59 | sunrunner20 | g1powermac: what project? |
| 19:44.33 | g1powermac | http://emile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:44.41 | g1powermac | I want to help develop the bootloader |
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| 19:53.10 | [g2] | chouimat|work: so what are you planning with the kurobox pro ? |
| 19:53.40 | chouimat|work | [g2]: experimentations for work related stuff |
| 19:54.06 | [g2] | building with OE ? |
| 19:54.52 | chouimat|work | [g2]: currently I have debian armel on it ... I'm using it to bootstrap our next version of our distribution (based on es5) |
| 19:55.38 | [g2] | sorry for being a dumb-a.. but I don't know what es5 is :( |
| 19:55.53 | chouimat|work | redhat entreprise server 5 |
| 19:56.26 | [g2] | ahh.... |
| 19:59.01 | g1powermac | woot |
| 19:59.09 | g1powermac | was able to crack open his mac classic II today |
| 19:59.22 | g1powermac | it figures, I had the proper tool all along to open it up |
| 20:00.03 | g1powermac | replaced its dead pram battery in it, now it finally boots up to the external disk on cold starts |
| 20:03.26 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 20:07.25 | g1powermac | you really could easily kill yourself when servicing these old compact macs though |
| 20:07.52 | g1powermac | there is little to shield you from the CRT wires once it's open |
| 20:12.09 | g1powermac | *sigh* |
| 20:12.46 | g1powermac | prpplague, I need to get buildroot to use gcc 3.4.6, but everytime I set it to do that, it dies on compiling uclibc |
| 20:13.03 | g1powermac | and I have no clue how to fix this |
| 20:13.04 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:13.26 | magnetron | g1powermac, open CRTs are deadly. the capacitor stacks will stay charged for quite some while after poweroff |
| 20:14.16 | g1powermac | prpplague, I'm going to let it recompile to use 3.4.6 again so I can get actual error messages |
| 20:14.23 | g1powermac | the original ones are long gone |
| 20:14.28 | g1powermac | magnetron, yea, I know |
| 20:16.43 | g1powermac | prpplague, but yea, it seems EMILE is set to use only gcc 3.x due to issues with 4.x line |
| 20:17.00 | g1powermac | so I'm forced to use the 3.x, but now it won't compile |
| 20:17.16 | prpplague | g1powermac: gcc 3.x should be fine with uclibc |
| 20:17.20 | prpplague | g1powermac: i use it all the time |
| 20:17.31 | g1powermac | the thing is "should" :-) |
| 20:21.21 | g1powermac | hah: http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/motherboardslab/index.html |
| 20:21.39 | g1powermac | its my idea on a grand scale :-) |
| 20:22.25 | g1powermac | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2547064170/ |
| 20:22.35 | g1powermac | notice the mobos on the wall toward the right of the pic ;-) |
| 20:23.10 | g1powermac | man, I need to take some new shots of my lab/office. that shot is soo empty compared to what it is now |
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| 20:30.38 | g1powermac_PD | prpplague, http://www.pastebin.ca/1170265 |
| 20:30.46 | prpplague | looks |
| 20:32.43 | prpplague | g1powermac: looks like there is a typo somewhere |
| 20:32.44 | prpplague | # |
| 20:32.44 | prpplague | In function `int std::__convert_from_v(char*, int, const char*, _Tv, int* const&, int)': |
| 20:32.44 | prpplague | # |
| 20:32.44 | prpplague | /home/g1powermac/macbuildroot/buildroot/toolchain_build_m68k/gcc-3.4.6-final/m68k-linux-uclibc/libstdc++-v3/include/m68k-linux-uclibc/bits/c++locale.h:103: error: `snprintf' is not a member of `std' |
| 20:33.03 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 20:33.20 | prpplague | looks like you have c++ enable with locale support |
| 20:33.27 | prpplague | are you building a c++ compiler too? |
| 20:33.47 | g1powermac | yea, though really, not sure why I got that selected |
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| 20:33.53 | g1powermac | I was just looking at that |
| 20:34.13 | prpplague | g1powermac: try turning that off first to see if it will completely build |
| 20:34.29 | g1powermac | yea, doing it now |
| 20:34.33 | RobotGuy | Boo |
| 20:34.35 | g1powermac | I turned off all c++ stuff |
| 20:34.38 | g1powermac | yo RobotGuy |
| 20:35.09 | g1powermac | should prolly run make clean |
| 20:35.21 | g1powermac | it still did it without the c++ stuff |
| 20:35.30 | g1powermac | but I think I should do the clean first |
| 20:35.33 | RobotGuy | I always do a make rootclean before I build a new image. |
| 20:35.45 | prpplague | wow i succesfully smoked one of our new lcds |
| 20:36.05 | g1powermac | nice |
| 20:36.15 | RobotGuy | I'm proud of you prpplague! Hee hee.. :D |
| 20:36.36 | RobotGuy | You can connect it to a hammer I smoked. |
| 20:36.37 | prpplague | in this case i was actually trying to see what would it take to break it |
| 20:37.33 | RobotGuy | Tomorrow is Thursday, and toy time again. :) |
| 20:37.44 | prpplague | checks to see if it is completely smoked |
| 20:37.48 | g1powermac | you know, the only things I think I killed are just a few leds and some logic chips |
| 20:38.12 | g1powermac | and thats from shorting them out ;-) |
| 20:38.37 | prpplague | i kill stuff all the time, mainly as part of testing |
| 20:39.07 | RobotGuy | OK, so then I just accidently "test" things.. |
| 20:42.18 | g1powermac | heh |
| 20:42.38 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, just tie everything to ground, that'll do something ;-) |
| 20:43.07 | RobotGuy | Don't be putting ideas into me haid! :p |
| 20:43.19 | RobotGuy | There's enough stuff in there already! |
| 20:44.38 | g1powermac | ok, ok, then just tie everything to the AC wall socket! :-) |
| 20:46.10 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, well, it compiled |
| 20:46.33 | prpplague | g1powermac: sounds like there is probably a bug in the c++ locales |
| 20:46.57 | g1powermac | wonder if I need c++ anyway |
| 20:47.10 | g1powermac | bugger |
| 20:47.17 | g1powermac | emile still doesn't compile |
| 20:47.23 | g1powermac | *sigh* |
| 20:47.58 | g1powermac | "Use gcc3, EMILE doesn't work when compiled with gcc4 (perhaps a problem in the optimisation, some "barriers" could solves the problem...). |
| 20:47.58 | g1powermac | And if with gcc3 it doesn't compile, use libc6, EMILE depends on libc headers (perhaps it's not a good choice...)" |
| 20:48.16 | g1powermac | thats what the head developer mentioned about the issues I was having compiling EMILE |
| 20:48.43 | g1powermac | now, I figure getting buildroot to use libc6 just isn't going to be fun |
| 20:51.38 | g1powermac | prpplague, just a guess, but I figure you never attempted to use buildroot with glibc? |
| 20:51.55 | prpplague | g1powermac: no, but sjhill has |
| 20:52.14 | g1powermac | hmm, I'll have to talk with him |
| 20:52.31 | g1powermac | though first I'm going to try a more recent uclibc |
| 20:53.08 | g1powermac | maybe the daily snapshot of uclibc will work over the older 0.9.29 version |
| 20:53.12 | prpplague | hmm, bootlogo is activating the lcd before any data is present |
| 20:56.42 | g1powermac | and nope, newer uclibc doesn't work either |
| 21:00.46 | g1powermac | prpplague, these are the errors I get with EMILE: http://pastebin.ca/1170319 |
| 21:00.55 | g1powermac | maybe you might have a suggestion |
| 21:00.57 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:01.32 | g1powermac | and interestingly nothing seems to change even when I used the older gcc and removed all optimizations |
| 21:01.44 | prpplague | yea, looks like something isn't defined properly |
| 21:02.23 | g1powermac | so its really all based around uclibc/glibc |
| 21:03.03 | prpplague | yea probably |
| 21:03.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you have a current ISO of the Hammer Kit? |
| 21:03.33 | g1powermac | ok, so, now its down to getting glibc working in buildroot, oh this should be fun. . . |
| 21:03.33 | RobotGuy | I seem to have lost my copy of that. |
| 21:03.55 | prpplague | http://www.tincantools.com/prpplague/hammer-kit.iso |
| 21:04.39 | RobotGuy | Thanks |
| 21:10.41 | prpplague | hmm, what to do what to do |
| 21:11.03 | g1powermac | goes to play with crosstool |
| 21:11.09 | RobotGuy | I'm reinstalling Gentoo. |
| 21:11.09 | g1powermac | didn't know that sucker existed |
| 21:11.14 | prpplague | i guess my only option is to add something in the bootloader to preload an image |
| 21:11.40 | RobotGuy | I thought that's what bootlogo did. |
| 21:11.41 | g1powermac | gonna try the newer gcc4 with glibc, see what happens |
| 21:11.56 | g1powermac | since nothing changed when I switched compilers |
| 21:12.36 | RobotGuy | Did you see my ArduinoBot pictures? |
| 21:12.49 | g1powermac | hasn't seen any RobotGuy pics |
| 21:13.04 | RobotGuy | http://www.thedynaplex.info |
| 21:13.27 | RobotGuy | I've been posting more to my Blog than anything else lately. |
| 21:13.38 | g1powermac | kewl |
| 21:14.10 | g1powermac | has way too many tabs open in firefox |
| 21:14.30 | RobotGuy | I'd like to post videos too, but I don't have any way to shoot a decent video. |
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| 21:18.37 | SpeedEvil | Hello! |
| 21:19.10 | g1powermac | hey SpeedEvil |
| 21:19.11 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to recall a nice cheap readily available USB-RS232-5V solution? |
| 21:19.23 | g1powermac | umm |
| 21:19.27 | ds2 | 3.3V, yes... donno 5V |
| 21:19.37 | SpeedEvil | 3.3V works too |
| 21:19.52 | ds2 | the silabs chip is a one chip solution, no xtals |
| 21:20.44 | ds2 | looking for the p/n |
| 21:20.59 | SpeedEvil | ponders what he really wants. |
| 21:21.14 | ds2 | cp2103 I think is the P/N |
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| 21:22.15 | ds2 | cp210x... apparently it is a family of parts |
| 21:23.31 | SpeedEvil | My ideal device would have a teeny 3 pin connector of some sort on the end, and already be in a box. I don't think that exists though. |
| 21:23.48 | ds2 | Oh you want a ready made thing, thought you wanted a chip solution |
| 21:24.00 | RobotGuy | gives SpeedEvil a box with three pins in it.. |
| 21:24.01 | SpeedEvil | Either is an option. |
| 21:24.04 | ds2 | you can do this with this chip as it has no glue other then a LDO |
| 21:24.13 | ds2 | saw it used on some other eval board |
| 21:24.31 | chouimat|work | speaking of usb serial .... |
| 21:24.39 | ds2 | digikey sourceable but it is a tiny spec and a pain to solder to dead bug style |
| 21:25.00 | prpplague | hmm, wonder if you can perform a fbcon_clear() on a fbconsole before activating it |
| 21:25.21 | MothaWork | if it has leads, it can be hand soldered |
| 21:25.31 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: what do you want? a chip or an adapter for your workstation? |
| 21:25.37 | MothaWork | if it lacks leads but isn't a BGA or LGA, it can probably be hand soldered |
| 21:25.46 | ds2 | not saying it can't be done |
| 21:25.59 | ds2 | it isjust a major PITA given the pitch |
| 21:26.07 | SpeedEvil | chouimat|away: it's a proposed workaround for the STM32 devices not having a USB bootloader. |
| 21:26.18 | chouimat|work | k |
| 21:26.42 | SpeedEvil | chouimat|away: Just accept that program errors can wipe the user-uploaded boot sector. |
| 21:26.49 | ds2 | been meaning to make up a bunch of boards for this an a whole mess of other chips since SPE charges a flat setup |
| 21:26.57 | SpeedEvil | chouimat|away: and implement a really cheap serial reflasher |
| 21:27.12 | chouimat|work | I see |
| 21:27.45 | SpeedEvil | chouimat|away: in the $10 range, rather than the #100 of the current dev board. |
| 21:27.59 | ds2 | SpeedEvil: I think the digikey price for them was <$3 |
| 21:28.26 | SpeedEvil | ds2: yeah. |
| 21:31.54 | chouimat|work | ok time to go home |
| 21:32.58 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if any of the really cheap RS232-USB adaptors have 3.3V o/p. |
| 21:40.06 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to recall a name for simple spring connectors that locate to a couple of holes on the board, and presses onto a few pads? |
| 21:41.51 | CosmicPenguin | I believe the technical term is "springy thing" |
| 21:43.04 | ds2 | Mictor? |
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| 21:50.51 | prpplague | solar: ping |
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| 22:08.27 | prpplague | man i'm gonna have to give up on this soon |
| 22:08.48 | ds2 | ??? |
| 22:09.03 | ds2 | printf( "%s", *this); |
| 22:09.04 | ds2 | =) |
| 22:11.44 | prpplague | ds2: when the fbconsole boot logo pops up on my lcd, the entire screen is white for about 300ms |
| 22:12.10 | prpplague | ds2: can't figure out why its allowing the fb to be active when there is no data |
| 22:12.25 | ds2 | you clocking and powering it? |
| 22:13.42 | prpplague | ds2: sorry did not understand your question |
| 22:13.54 | ds2 | is the LCD getting clock and power |
| 22:14.03 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:14.18 | CosmicPenguin | is the panel driver still sequencing? |
| 22:14.27 | ds2 | maybe that's the problem? it needs to not get power/clock? or am I misunderstanding your problem? |
| 22:14.36 | CosmicPenguin | the Geode hardeware controller has a built in sequencer |
| 22:14.40 | prpplague | this is a software issue, somewhere the lcd controller is being turned on before the data has been placed into the framebuffer |
| 22:14.57 | ds2 | oh like that |
| 22:15.31 | prpplague | ds2: the lcd controller is up and running with framebuffer contents of all 0xff |
| 22:17.06 | prpplague | adds some additional debugging |
| 22:17.33 | prpplague | funny how sales people dictate office hours |
| 22:18.13 | prpplague | my boss thinks everyone should take lunch between 12 and 1 |
| 22:18.46 | prpplague | he has no clue about working on something and not being able to stop in the middle |
| 22:19.13 | ds2 | lunch between 12 and 1? heh |
| 22:19.38 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 22:20.02 | prpplague | ds2: and the office closes exactly at 5:45 |
| 22:20.11 | ds2 | that's insanity |
| 22:20.28 | prpplague | like i said, he's from the sales area |
| 22:20.55 | ds2 | that's the kind of stuff to get people marching out in droves |
| 22:23.43 | prpplague | ds2: yea, he's only been in charge for about 18 months |
| 22:24.00 | prpplague | ds2: so most of the good folks have some loyalty for aml |
| 22:24.09 | prpplague | ds2: and its just now getting to be an issue |
| 22:24.22 | ds2 | prpplague: loyality...hehehh.. I haven't seen that out here |
| 22:24.56 | prpplague | ds2: yea, you work out there where there are plenty of jobs in the tech area |
| 22:25.08 | prpplague | ds2: not so many in texas |
| 22:25.49 | ds2 | prpplague: heard that is changing, esp in the area near richardson |
| 22:25.52 | prpplague | this is a first, intentionally causing a kp, hehe |
| 22:26.20 | prpplague | ds2: yea, there are some jobs out there, but very very little OSS dev |
| 22:27.06 | prpplague | ds2: samsung, motorola, and a handfull of STB companies have been hiring OSS devrs lately over i richardson |
| 22:27.37 | ds2 | prpplague: I heard some of the carrier folks are moving to OSS and afew of them have offices there |
| 22:28.37 | prpplague | ds2: oh yea? |
| 22:29.53 | prpplague | hmm, looks like its something with the initial config of the lcd |
| 22:30.04 | g1powermac | well, I got crosstool to compile its stuff, but emile died on it as well |
| 22:30.24 | g1powermac | moaning that some instructions in the assembly code aren't available |
| 22:36.26 | prpplague | g1powermac: now you get the idea why embedded devrs are in demand |
| 22:36.44 | g1powermac | heh, yea |
| 22:36.54 | prpplague | g1powermac: and also the reason companies sell development systems |
| 22:37.11 | ds2 | BAH on the dev system |
| 22:37.35 | prpplague | sorry i really meant build systems, i.e. codesourcery and such |
| 22:38.09 | ds2 | read/study/memorize datasheets/manuals is the only way to go... no shortcuts with those silly dev systems |
| 22:38.33 | prpplague | ds2: yea i agree personally |
| 22:39.31 | g1powermac | thats what I do now generally |
| 22:39.59 | g1powermac | just getting cross compilation tools working has been the biggest challenge |
| 23:25.17 | g1powermac | doesn't get why the assembler in the crosstools build is dying on basic m68k assembly |
| 23:25.56 | ds2 | latest crosstools? |
| 23:26.00 | g1powermac | yup |
| 23:26.03 | g1powermac | 0.43 |
| 23:26.20 | ds2 | Hmm |
| 23:26.24 | g1powermac | using the gcc 4.10 setup |
| 23:26.39 | g1powermac | I'm trying an older gcc atm |
| 23:26.50 | ds2 | maybe the gnu folks changed the latest gas? |
| 23:27.02 | g1powermac | btw, do I need to mess with the m68k.config file for anything? |
| 23:28.01 | g1powermac | it looks to be a kernel config |
| 23:28.34 | ds2 | the stuff I built just worked |
| 23:29.04 | g1powermac | has been having a heck of a time trying to get a working toolchain that'll build EMILE |
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| 23:56.14 | joe_bleau | Anyone up for a dumb gdb/openocd question? |