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| 00:13.45 | g1powermac | argh |
| 00:13.52 | g1powermac | the old gcc doesn't work either |
| 00:14.15 | ds2 | look at the m68k definition file and see if there are options |
| 00:14.34 | g1powermac | ds2, what definition file? |
| 00:15.17 | ds2 | what are you running to build it? |
| 00:15.39 | g1powermac | to build crosstools? gcc 4.3.1 |
| 00:15.44 | ds2 | no |
| 00:15.55 | ds2 | what is the name in the crosstools package are you running |
| 00:16.11 | g1powermac | m68k |
| 00:16.37 | ds2 | hmm |
| 00:17.07 | ds2 | my version of 0.43 doesn't have a m68k script, the closest is m68k-demo.sh |
| 00:17.17 | g1powermac | yea |
| 00:17.21 | g1powermac | thats what I'm using |
| 00:17.27 | g1powermac | demo-m68k.sh |
| 00:17.43 | ds2 | okay, if you look at that file, the last item it uses is something -tls...try the one above it |
| 00:17.55 | ds2 | i.e. comment out that last cat statement and uncomment the one above it |
| 00:18.09 | g1powermac | was thinking of trying one without TLS |
| 00:18.16 | g1powermac | what does TLS do, btw? |
| 00:18.32 | ds2 | donno on the 68K, on the ARMs it allows for faster threads |
| 00:18.40 | ds2 | donno if the support/hardware is on the 68k |
| 00:21.02 | g1powermac_PD | here's the start of the error message I get when compiling emile |
| 00:21.12 | g1powermac_PD | as -I/home/g1powermac/Desktop/emile-0.12/first --defsym SCSI_SUPPORT=1 -o first_scsi.o first.S |
| 00:21.12 | g1powermac_PD | first.S: Assembler messages: |
| 00:21.12 | g1powermac_PD | first.S:7: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.cpu' |
| 00:21.12 | g1powermac_PD | first.S:23: Error: no such instruction: `bra start' |
| 00:21.12 | g1powermac_PD | first.S:62: Error: no such instruction: `moveal SysZone,%a0' |
| 00:21.13 | g1powermac_PD | first.S:63: Error: no such instruction: `addal %pc@(SysHeapSize),%a0' |
| 00:21.15 | g1powermac_PD | first.S:65: Error: no such instruction: `movel SysZone,TheZone' |
| 00:21.33 | g1powermac_PD | and it goes on from there |
| 00:22.24 | g1powermac | now this stuff worked compiled perfectly normal using buildroot |
| 00:22.38 | g1powermac | err, minus 'worked' :-) |
| 00:23.04 | g1powermac | it of course died later on with another type of error |
| 01:03.17 | ds2 | wonder if it is trying to use your x86 gas |
| 01:03.33 | g1powermac | meh, the non tls version didn't work either |
| 01:03.48 | ds2 | try this experiment |
| 01:03.59 | ds2 | rename your x86 gas to something else and try it again |
| 01:10.46 | g1powermac | has a theory |
| 01:11.27 | g1powermac | http://users.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~krabat/FH-Labor/Doku/HOWTO.html |
| 01:11.45 | g1powermac | read the stuff about COFF vs A.OUT |
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| 01:15.53 | ds2 | arrggg |
| 01:21.45 | g1powermac | sigh |
| 01:22.04 | g1powermac | and the really annoying part is that the cross tools mailing list seems to be messed up |
| 01:25.29 | g1powermac | there we go |
| 01:26.16 | g1powermac | I think this is due to the way gcc is configured |
| 01:26.29 | g1powermac | the crossgcc guys should know how to fix this |
| 01:26.42 | ds2 | is Dan K still doing updates? |
| 01:29.37 | g1powermac | not sure |
| 01:32.17 | g1powermac | he hasn't been on the mailing list for awhile |
| 01:34.04 | g1powermac | looks like the last time he was on the list was in may |
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| 01:48.30 | ds2 | cuz 0.43 is old, that's what I am using |
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| 11:10.11 | g1powermac | ds2, so I figured part of the problem out |
| 11:11.05 | g1powermac | ds2, I had mistyped the path to the crosscompiler, so it reverted to using the hosts gcc and gas |
| 11:11.35 | g1powermac | however, once I fixed it, it came up with this error still: |
| 11:11.52 | g1powermac | make -C first TARGET=m68k-linux |
| 11:11.52 | g1powermac | /opt/crosstool/gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6/m68k-mac-linux-gnu/bin/m68k-mac-linux-gnu-as -I/home/g1powermac/Desktop/emile-0.12/first --defsym SCSI_SUPPORT=1 -o first_scsi.o first.S |
| 11:11.52 | g1powermac | first.S: Assembler messages: |
| 11:11.52 | g1powermac | first.S:7: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.cpu' |
| 11:11.53 | g1powermac | make[1]: *** [first_scsi.o] Error 1 |
| 11:11.55 | g1powermac | make: *** [first] Error |
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| 11:34.05 | solar | You might have some of the hosts systems intermixed object code still floating around |
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| 12:11.22 | g1powermac | solar, I think I found the problem |
| 12:11.41 | g1powermac | crosstools is using an older version of binutils which doesn't like the .cpu psuedo op |
| 12:11.45 | g1powermac | it likes .chip |
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| 12:14.04 | solar | don't think that would of been very fun to track down |
| 12:14.46 | g1powermac | I actually found a patch involving emile and that psuedo op: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debootloaders-devel/2006-November/000158.html |
| 12:15.57 | g1powermac | holy mother of pearl |
| 12:16.00 | g1powermac | it actually compiled |
| 12:18.17 | g1powermac | holy crap, and it actually now compiles with the new gcc4.10 |
| 12:19.33 | g1powermac | wow, kewl |
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| 13:27.09 | g1powermac | wonders how small he can get a 2.6 kernel to be |
| 13:28.16 | HcE | I've made a sub 600k without much hassle |
| 13:28.23 | g1powermac | nice |
| 13:28.28 | g1powermac | awesome actually |
| 13:28.37 | HcE | it get interesting if you start removing network stuff |
| 13:28.40 | g1powermac | that still leaves plenty of room for a bit of an initramfs |
| 13:28.56 | HcE | 600k compress |
| 13:28.58 | HcE | +ed |
| 13:29.00 | g1powermac | yea |
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| 13:34.10 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 13:34.17 | g1powermac | prpplague, its a freikin miracle |
| 13:34.23 | g1powermac | I actually got emile to compile |
| 13:34.25 | prpplague | greetings earthling |
| 13:34.31 | prpplague | good deal |
| 13:34.43 | g1powermac | I used the latest crosstools toolchain to do it |
| 13:34.53 | g1powermac | but I needed to change up the assembly source code a bit |
| 13:35.04 | g1powermac | it seems the binutils in crosstools is a bit oldish |
| 13:35.19 | g1powermac | and it didn't like the '.cpu' pseudo op |
| 13:35.21 | prpplague | g1powermac: oh yea? |
| 13:35.27 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 13:35.29 | g1powermac | it wanted '.chip' instead |
| 13:35.47 | g1powermac | once I changed all them around, it compiled without a hitch, even with gcc 4.10 |
| 13:36.19 | g1powermac | of course I have no clue if the thing actually works, but hey at least I got some progress :-) |
| 13:37.01 | g1powermac | now I need to compile a mini kernel and make an initramfs for it |
| 13:37.51 | prpplague | lovely |
| 13:38.01 | prpplague | good experience doing compile debugging |
| 13:38.11 | g1powermac | yup, yup |
| 13:38.31 | g1powermac | this isn't the first thing I've had to debug to get to compile |
| 13:38.41 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 13:38.47 | g1powermac | qtopia was a royal pain to compile under buildroot |
| 13:38.57 | chouimat|work | emile? |
| 13:39.04 | g1powermac | had to find an obscure setting in uclibc to get it compile |
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| 13:39.17 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, emile.sf.net |
| 13:39.24 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 13:39.36 | RobotGuy | Greetings Progreams |
| 13:39.53 | RobotGuy | Durn, can't spell this mornin' |
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| 13:42.21 | prpplague | tom has a new website up http://www.tomsnewhome.info |
| 13:45.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Greetings |
| 13:45.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: howdy |
| 13:46.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, this patch is what tipped me off about the .chip thing: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debootloaders-devel/2006-November/000158.html |
| 13:46.21 | g1powermac | its actually a patch for emile |
| 13:46.49 | g1powermac | it looks like they used .chip op code originally but things changed with binutils 2.17 |
| 13:47.05 | g1powermac | of course, crosstools is still using binutils 2.16.1 |
| 13:47.15 | g1powermac | that really should be updated at some point |
| 13:47.26 | prpplague | g1powermac: ahh nice research |
| 13:48.54 | chouimat|work | prpplague: sound like he has a few weeks of "fun" ahead of him |
| 13:49.14 | g1powermac | realistically, there should be a check in the makefile to determine which binutils is in use and set the proper op code in the source files |
| 13:52.22 | prpplague | chouimat|work: indeed |
| 13:53.04 | prpplague | man i have a ton of work to do today |
| 13:53.14 | prpplague | got a dog-n-pony tomorrow at 9:30 |
| 13:54.06 | prpplague | so strange seeming people get to take weeks and weeks of vacation |
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| 13:58.56 | RobotGuy | I will be soooooooooooooooooo happy when I get this chair replaced. Started the paperwork on that this week. :) |
| 13:59.18 | HcE | paperwork for a new chair? |
| 13:59.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: hen was your last vacation? |
| 13:59.34 | prpplague | HcE: wheel chair |
| 13:59.45 | HcE | prpplague: ah, oki :) |
| 14:00.01 | HcE | I thought you hade to do paperwork to get a new office chair |
| 14:00.02 | RobotGuy | s/hen/when/ |
| 14:00.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i took two weeks back in 2001 |
| 14:00.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You definitely are overdue then. |
| 14:00.21 | HcE | prpplague: I am new in this channel, so I am bound to stamp on some feets before I settle in |
| 14:00.28 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 14:00.34 | RobotGuy | We have rubber shoes. :) |
| 14:00.40 | g1powermac | we haven't been on an official vacation is absolutely years |
| 14:00.44 | g1powermac | years and years |
| 14:01.31 | prpplague | HcE: no worries, really the only rule is that we need to keep the language civil, alot of professional developers use this channel from work, and we don't want it to be block by the corporate overloads due to foul language |
| 14:02.11 | RobotGuy | HcE: You will learn a LOT if you hang around here. |
| 14:02.44 | g1powermac | yea |
| 14:03.03 | prpplague | or go insane |
| 14:03.30 | g1powermac | or both |
| 14:03.37 | g1powermac | mostly both ;-) |
| 14:03.39 | RobotGuy | HcE: I've been hanging around here since Jan, and I'm amazed at how much stuff I can do now that I couldn't do before, and I am always learning more. |
| 14:04.00 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I'm already there, so I am right at home here. :) |
| 14:04.14 | g1powermac | prolly half this channel is already there :-) |
| 14:04.33 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: And that's just those who admit to it.. :p |
| 14:04.39 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 14:04.53 | RobotGuy | It's a great channel to hang around on. |
| 14:04.57 | g1powermac | should order some ram for his mac classic II |
| 14:05.33 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: What would be a good MAC to start out with - something reasonably fast and expandable? |
| 14:05.57 | g1powermac | try to get an old new world powermac |
| 14:06.01 | g1powermac | maybe a g3 or something |
| 14:06.06 | RobotGuy | Model? |
| 14:06.18 | HcE | prpplague: goodie, I'm at work now, so suits me fine |
| 14:06.19 | g1powermac | if you find a good priced one, lemme know and I'll search up if its a good model |
| 14:06.39 | g1powermac | there's just too many different models out there really for me to know off the top of my head |
| 14:06.40 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Cool. I will do that! You are Mr.Mac here. :) |
| 14:06.56 | g1powermac | hehe, hence my nick ;-) |
| 14:07.36 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I should get those QVGA displays today. :) |
| 14:07.37 | g1powermac | needs to get a cheap source of 1/2 AA 3.6v lithium batteries used as pram batteries in old macs |
| 14:07.52 | g1powermac | they cost $20 at the local rat shack |
| 14:08.31 | RobotGuy | I liberated a protoboard from one that partly doesn't work so I can have an easy to move around breadboard. I am getting ready to tinker with my accelerometer and compass modules. |
| 14:09.12 | g1powermac | $20 for a mini battery. . .it just ain't right |
| 14:09.20 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: you can get a mac mini for a good price |
| 14:09.49 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, I'd actually advise against a mini at this time, especially if he wants to do some upgrading |
| 14:10.10 | g1powermac | the older g3 and g4 powermacs are quite nice to upgrade |
| 14:10.14 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: I need to get something good for as inexpensive a price as possible, and will still probably have to save up for it. |
| 14:10.18 | chouimat|work | g1powermac then he should go for a nice mac pro ;) |
| 14:10.31 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, hehe, thats what I want eventually :-) |
| 14:10.45 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, though I'm still holding out for the rumored mac tablet |
| 14:10.49 | chouimat|work | g1powermac got one ... 2G of ram is not enough for 8 cores |
| 14:10.56 | g1powermac | to replace my aging powerbook G4 |
| 14:11.23 | RobotGuy | I'd love to have an nice mac laptop. |
| 14:11.48 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, heh, don't buy one used |
| 14:12.02 | g1powermac | them suckers are buggers to fix if they break |
| 14:12.16 | g1powermac | better off getting either a new one or a refurb with a warrantee |
| 14:12.20 | chouimat|work | g1powermac I have a ibook g4, still work well slow but ok, I got an eeepc screen small :( I might simply buy a cheap Acer laptop or something ... but wait I have the sying hp I got at work I can use ... just need and external usb keyboard since the one on thge laptop doesn't work anymore |
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| 14:13.00 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, yea, the old laptops are slow |
| 14:13.12 | chouimat|work | 1Ghz G4 |
| 14:13.14 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, ever have that video issue with your ibook? |
| 14:13.18 | chouimat|work | it's ok |
| 14:13.25 | g1powermac | hah, your's is faster than my powerbook |
| 14:13.45 | g1powermac | has a Rev A 867mhz G4 Powerbook with 640mb of RAM |
| 14:13.47 | chouimat|work | no ... just a dead line in the middle of the screen but it doesn't show on a monitor :) |
| 14:13.58 | g1powermac | this is the notorious one with the heat problems |
| 14:14.21 | g1powermac | you could cook an egg on it if I reinstalled 10.2 on it |
| 14:14.35 | g1powermac | the later mac os fixed some of the heat issues |
| 14:14.44 | RobotGuy | Some of these dependencies are just nuts. Why would firefox require apache? |
| 14:24.22 | prgmrchr1s | chouimat|work: i just got the eeee 1000 the screen is nicer and especially the keyboard |
| 14:24.28 | prgmrchr1s | its about full size on that model |
| 14:24.41 | prgmrchr1s | eee* |
| 14:24.58 | chouimat|work | prgmrchr1s: I have a 701 ... the 1000 was too expensive at that price I will simply go for a real laptop |
| 14:25.20 | prgmrchr1s | well its different when someone else pays |
| 14:25.20 | prgmrchr1s | :) |
| 14:25.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If I were to get one of those Vtech units, would you be willing to convert it for me? I'd pay a reasonable fee. |
| 14:25.31 | prgmrchr1s | how much is the 701? |
| 14:25.35 | prgmrchr1s | the 1000 was 600 |
| 14:25.46 | prgmrchr1s | but 40gb ssd |
| 14:25.50 | prgmrchr1s | :) |
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| 14:26.18 | [g2] | is eyeing the Acer Aspire One |
| 14:26.22 | chouimat|work | I pay around 520cad ( eee pc , free 4gb sd card, 1 8gb usb key and 1 psp games, and a lot of taxes) |
| 14:26.30 | prgmrchr1s | thats alot |
| 14:26.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: have no time right now |
| 14:26.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: maybe later in the fall |
| 14:26.40 | prgmrchr1s | thats almost what i paid for the eee 1000 |
| 14:26.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i was thinking of doing some custom pcbs as a kit for conversion |
| 14:27.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. That would be real cool. |
| 14:27.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I could be a tester. :) Hee hee. :) |
| 14:27.59 | chouimat|work | prgmrchr1s: I'm in canada so it's a little more expensive ... the eee was 399.99 + taxes, the 8gb was 40 and the game was 25 the rest is sale taxes |
| 14:28.09 | RobotGuy | I still think breakingthings.com would be a great site. :) |
| 14:28.47 | CP|home | I an't belive that URL isn't taken |
| 14:29.16 | RobotGuy | It isn't, so far. I've already checked. |
| 14:29.52 | RobotGuy | breakzine.com |
| 14:30.02 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 14:30.23 | CP|home | I checked too - thats why I said, I couldn't believe it |
| 14:32.49 | prpplague | CP|home: i see there was some info leaked about an amd subnotebook |
| 14:33.01 | prpplague | CP|home: you see that |
| 14:33.09 | wmat | prpplague: I'm going to plan a mediawiki upgrade very shortly for elinux.org |
| 14:33.21 | wmat | prpplague: i'll let you know if there will be any outages |
| 14:33.41 | RobotGuy | wmat: Greetings. Any good lobbying for a less expensive codesourcery dev system? :) |
| 14:34.17 | prpplague | wmat: not changing wiki types? just an upgrade? |
| 14:34.18 | wmat | RobotGuy: unfortunately not |
| 14:34.37 | wmat | prpplague: yeah, v. 1.7.1 upgraded to 1.13.0 which is being released today |
| 14:34.42 | RobotGuy | wmat: I guess I will just go with Cross Works then. |
| 14:34.44 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 14:35.02 | RobotGuy | If I can't get a good free env working for ARM7 |
| 14:35.20 | wmat | prpplague: are you subscribed to the old wiki-dev mailing list that Tim B. had set up? |
| 14:35.43 | wmat | RobotGuy: use CodeSourcery's Lite version |
| 14:35.55 | prpplague | wmat: uh no i didn't know it existed |
| 14:36.02 | CP|home | prpplague: no, I didn't see that? URL? |
| 14:36.03 | wmat | prpplague: ah |
| 14:36.03 | RobotGuy | wmat: I would need to integrate it with a good IDE. |
| 14:36.18 | wmat | prpplague: don't bother subscribing as I've created mailing lists on elinux.org now |
| 14:36.31 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 14:36.46 | RobotGuy | I rearranged the Hammer software page. :) |
| 14:37.16 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2653030653.html |
| 14:37.31 | prpplague | CP|home: supposedly they have been working closely with AMD |
| 14:39.34 | prpplague | shame i'm going to have to do a nasty hack for this work properly |
| 14:39.37 | RobotGuy | nick RobotGuy-AFK |
| 14:40.09 | wmat | prpplague: that Everun notebook has more power then some desktops I still use |
| 14:41.30 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 14:42.10 | prpplague | CP|home: when you get time, i'd like to discuss this framebuffer issue with you |
| 14:42.53 | prpplague | adds a temporary fix |
| 14:46.40 | CP|home | discuss on |
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| 14:51.52 | prpplague | CP|home: the problem stems from the fact that the lcd controller has all 0xff in the memory when the system starts up |
| 14:52.05 | prpplague | CP|home: so when the bootlogo code turns on the lcd |
| 14:52.29 | prpplague | CP|home: it gets a white screen for an instance before it dumps the data for the logo to the fb |
| 14:52.50 | CP|home | okay |
| 14:53.07 | prpplague | CP|home: couple of solutions |
| 14:53.39 | prpplague | CP|home: init the lcd in the bootloader |
| 14:54.33 | prpplague | CP|home: add some hooks in the bootlogo to not actually turn on the lcd until its loaded |
| 14:55.11 | prpplague | CP|home: add some code in the init process for the lcd controller to dump all 0x00 to the fb memory |
| 14:55.46 | prpplague | CP|home: any thoughts? |
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| 14:56.43 | CP|home | Typically, the framebuffer driver would clear hte video memory as a matter of course |
| 15:02.04 | prpplague | CP|home: hmm, i don't think that is happening |
| 15:02.21 | prpplague | CP|home: you know of an example fb driver that does? |
| 15:05.24 | CP|home | cd drivers/video |
| 15:05.33 | CP|home | grep --recursive "memset" * |
| 15:06.48 | prpplague | CP|home: thats what i thought |
| 15:11.39 | prpplague | CP|home: ahh i think i found it, thanks just needed to bounce the issue off someone |
| 15:17.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy-AFK: you can remove that section marked "the whole darn thing" |
| 15:17.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy-AFK: it was never completed |
| 15:18.31 | prpplague | good lord i have a ton of eye-candy to do |
| 15:20.31 | RobotGuy-AFK | prpplague: I will do that. |
| 15:21.09 | RobotGuy-AFK | BTW, at LWE, the second most asked for thing for Hammer is a robotics board. :) |
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| 15:26.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy-AFK: didn't know you went to LWE |
| 15:49.12 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:49.16 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 15:50.09 | prpplague | CP|home: what did you think for the amd notebook? |
| 15:51.39 | CP|home | meh |
| 15:51.44 | CP|home | turion notebooks have beend one |
| 15:51.48 | CP|home | been done even |
| 15:52.06 | prpplague | CP|home: yea, more being the sub-notebook style |
| 15:52.27 | prpplague | CP|home: i don't even know what processors amd sells these days |
| 15:52.32 | CP|home | Thats not a sub-notebook processor |
| 15:52.45 | prpplague | CP|home: after they changed all names for the geodes |
| 15:52.53 | CP|home | they never changed any Geode names |
| 15:52.54 | prpplague | CP|home: yea, but the case is |
| 15:53.23 | prpplague | CP|home: ?? i thought they had a new naming scheme for the new geode products |
| 15:53.24 | CP|home | You can fit an opteron in a mini-itx formfactor -doesn't make it interesting |
| 15:53.38 | CP|home | prpplague: Geode is dead man - gone and never coming back |
| 15:53.57 | prpplague | CP|home: hmm, must be remember it incorrectly |
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| 15:54.31 | prpplague | CP|home: i know the geode stuff was dead, but seems like amd had some next gen stuff similiar to geode for awhile |
| 15:54.36 | CP|home | Nope |
| 15:54.43 | CP|home | fam F and fam 10 |
| 15:54.58 | CP|home | MCUs for all! |
| 15:55.10 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:55.22 | prpplague | googles to refresh his memory |
| 15:58.15 | solar | prpplague: pong |
| 15:58.29 | prpplague | solar: you get my email with the list? |
| 15:58.34 | RobotGuy | solar: G'Morning |
| 15:59.24 | CP|home | holy geezum - pixil.org is still up |
| 15:59.24 | solar | prpplague: nope. |
| 15:59.35 | CP|home | someone must have left on the server when they turned the rest of the lights out |
| 16:00.51 | prpplague | CP|home: hehe |
| 16:13.21 | g1powermac | well, that was fun |
| 16:13.31 | g1powermac | replaced another two light fixtures in this house |
| 16:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Yay! |
| 16:14.10 | SpeedEvil | With gaslights? |
| 16:14.15 | g1powermac | think I've replaced 8 or so electrical things in this house |
| 16:14.29 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 16:14.35 | solar | upgrading led lighting in the house? |
| 16:14.43 | g1powermac | I wish |
| 16:14.56 | g1powermac | I am replacing the stuff mostly with cfls |
| 16:16.16 | SpeedEvil | LED isn't there yet. |
| 16:16.27 | g1powermac | yea, just way too expensive |
| 16:16.29 | SpeedEvil | Unless you pay lots |
| 16:16.35 | solar | good call also. I really noticed the power savings when I switched to almost all CFL. |
| 16:16.41 | solar | or make it |
| 16:17.10 | SpeedEvil | Even then. |
| 16:17.34 | SpeedEvil | The raw LEDs are quite expensive if you want light output comparable to CFLs at the same lumens/watt. |
| 16:19.07 | g1powermac | alright, time to make me a mini 2.6 kernel |
| 16:19.27 | GPSFan | g1powermac: got the monitor packed up. |
| 16:19.33 | g1powermac | GPSFan, oh awesome |
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| 16:19.58 | MothaWork | CFLs are great |
| 16:20.20 | MothaWork | you can buy cheapies for the closets and good ones that are way better than incandescents while using a fraction of the energy for areas like bathrooms where there are mirrors |
| 16:20.37 | MothaWork | full spectrum CFLs with a color temp of about 5000K make humans look way better |
| 16:20.56 | g1powermac | heh |
| 16:21.15 | g1powermac | we actually got the 5000k ones and its just really hard to get used to |
| 16:21.19 | g1powermac | they're so blue |
| 16:21.42 | MothaWork | 5000K? they aren't too blue |
| 16:21.54 | MothaWork | you're just used to incandescent. Sunlight is usually more like 5700-6700K |
| 16:22.07 | MothaWork | now, the 6500K "Daylight" CFLs, yes, they can look quite blue |
| 16:22.09 | g1powermac | yea, thats the thing |
| 16:22.16 | MothaWork | I find 5000K full spectrums quite appealing |
| 16:22.22 | g1powermac | I think they were 5000k |
| 16:22.29 | MothaWork | part of the problem with the cheaper 6500Ks is that they are fairly narrow wavelength output |
| 16:22.31 | g1powermac | maybe they were daylight ones |
| 16:22.35 | MothaWork | so they just genuinely look blue |
| 16:22.55 | MothaWork | the full spectrum 5000Ks have a broader emissions profile, which helps |
| 16:23.02 | MothaWork | mind you, those things are also like $15/lamp |
| 16:23.55 | g1powermac | ahh, then we got the cheapo ones |
| 16:24.03 | SpeedEvil | paid $1/lamp |
| 16:24.04 | MothaWork | with the Daylight (GE brand) 6500Ks, you're getting ONLY the blueish light. With a full spectrum 5000K, the white point is 5000K, but there's a more broad spectrum, so things don't appear as blue |
| 16:24.07 | SpeedEvil | (us) |
| 16:24.23 | MothaWork | well, for cheap CFLs like I use in my closets, $1/lamp is about right |
| 16:24.33 | MothaWork | but you really do seem to get what you pay for |
| 16:24.44 | SpeedEvil | These are subsidised ones. |
| 16:25.00 | MothaWork | where are they subsidizing CFLs? |
| 16:25.14 | MothaWork | I don't think the feds are doing that, so it would be a state or locality thing |
| 16:25.49 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 16:26.00 | SpeedEvil | I assume they are subsidised somehow. |
| 16:26.01 | GPSFan | our local electric co is giving away cfls as a promotion. I just got 2 3-packs of 100W equip cfl's |
| 16:26.13 | MothaWork | yes, some electric utilities are giving them out |
| 16:26.28 | SpeedEvil | There was a _huge_ bin of 12W/22W CFLs in my local supermarket at 49p each |
| 16:26.31 | MothaWork | and yes, Europe, where everything is subsidized :) |
| 16:27.04 | MothaWork | 13W CFLs (60W equiv light output) are about $1.10-$1.25 around here for cheapies |
| 16:27.39 | MothaWork | they work fine, but they behave like a fluorescent: they take a little while to preheat before starting, then they take a couple minutes to reach full brightness, and they have a narrow emission profile |
| 16:27.52 | MothaWork | the REALLY good ones cost a lot more |
| 16:28.11 | MothaWork | my full spectrum 5000K 23W (100W equiv) was I think $16 about a year ago |
| 16:28.16 | MothaWork | for a single lamp |
| 16:28.29 | MothaWork | but it's a damn nice lamp |
| 16:30.07 | SpeedEvil | I took my full spectrum lights back to the shop, and returned them. |
| 16:30.12 | SpeedEvil | They diddn't output neutrinos. |
| 16:42.14 | g1powermac | well, I pretty much stripped that kernel down |
| 16:42.30 | RobotGuy | Uh oh, a nekkid kernel.. |
| 16:42.45 | g1powermac | I could prolly get it down further |
| 16:43.05 | g1powermac | I should almost start with a completely empty config |
| 16:46.17 | g1powermac | isn't there a 'make somethingconfig' that starts off with a pretty much empty config file? |
| 16:52.29 | g1powermac | aha, allnoconfig |
| 16:55.47 | g1powermac | ahh lovely, it died |
| 17:01.02 | g1powermac | meh, something I enabled made it work |
| 17:02.04 | g1powermac | woot, nice, compressed vmlinux is at 592k with built in ext2 support |
| 17:03.51 | RobotGuy | isn't that make defconfig? |
| 17:04.13 | RobotGuy | I don't remember what that creates though. |
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| 17:23.31 | g1powermac | woot |
| 17:23.40 | g1powermac | well, I created a bootable floppy |
| 17:23.55 | g1powermac | though its really messed up, it can't even load the kernel ;-) |
| 17:25.16 | g1powermac | I'm good for today I think |
| 17:27.52 | MothaWork | RobotGuy: defconfig is something of a "suggested" configuration |
| 17:28.11 | MothaWork | allnoconfig is "answer no to everything possible", which will generally result in something that either doesn't boot or doesn't do anything useful |
| 17:28.34 | MothaWork | there is also allyesconfig, which answers "yes" to everything possible, and allmodconfig which answers "module" to everything possible and "yes" when a module is not an option |
| 17:28.38 | MothaWork | IIRC, there's also a randconfig |
| 17:28.52 | g1powermac | yea |
| 17:29.25 | MothaWork | randconfig just randomly answers all the quesiton |
| 17:29.38 | MothaWork | which may again result in something unbootable or doing nothing useful |
| 17:49.10 | MothaWork | great |
| 17:49.17 | MothaWork | 2.6.25.15 does not build for the AT91SAM9263 |
| 17:49.23 | MothaWork | and I don't see an obvious fix |
| 18:26.17 | prpplague | ds2: just a note, mr.herod and jkrinder are finishing up with beagle board adapters for use with the flyswatter |
| 18:26.30 | prpplague | ds2: don't if they want everyone to know as of yet |
| 18:26.44 | prpplague | ds2: so keep that to yourself |
| 18:27.08 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 18:27.38 | ds2 | but that adapter is not the interesting part, I can make it pretty easily; what I want is openocd functionality ;) |
| 18:28.07 | prpplague | ds2: yea, well most people are going to want the jtag and uart adapters |
| 18:28.51 | ds2 | prpplague: understood but 0.1 pitch connectors just aren't troublesome enough to not make |
| 18:29.01 | ds2 | now those #$@!@@$%@#%@#$ flex connectors on the back of LCDs.... |
| 18:29.21 | prpplague | ds2: hehe indeed |
| 18:29.41 | prpplague | ds2: like i said, if they are going to recommend the flyswatter, we need to have those |
| 18:31.11 | ds2 | prpplague: In the long run, I think someone should resell a ready to run beagle kit - beagle board + jtag debugger + power cube + serial adapter + serial cable (or adapter to the flyswatter) |
| 18:31.33 | ds2 | ordering all those seperately can kill you either with the coordination costs or shipping :( |
| 18:31.45 | prpplague | ds2: *cough* i thought that was what i was eluding to |
| 18:32.14 | ds2 | prpplague: eh? misunderstood, didn't know you were thinking of also packaging in a beagle board with the entire mix |
| 18:35.21 | ds2 | prpplague: any word on if doing a small break out board for the OMAP3 is likely to happen? |
| 18:36.07 | prpplague | ds2: still being discusses, breakout board that is |
| 18:36.54 | ds2 | prpplague: okay... at the risk of being redundant, if you can keep it under 1"x1", it would be great |
| 18:37.31 | prpplague | ds2: thats not going to happen |
| 18:37.40 | ds2 | prpplague: why not? |
| 18:37.43 | prpplague | more likely a 2x3 |
| 18:38.10 | prpplague | ds2: 1x1 isn't going to provide enough area to bring most of the pins out to accessable places |
| 18:39.05 | ds2 | prpplague: what size is considered to be 'accessible'? an array of vias along the edge of a 1x1 square should do it |
| 18:39.23 | ds2 | or are you thinking of bringing out every single pin? |
| 18:40.32 | prpplague | ds2: not every pin, but alot |
| 18:40.38 | ds2 | (vs OMAP3 + POP memory and just bring out most of the I/O's) |
| 18:40.49 | prpplague | ds2: we were talking about 100-120 |
| 18:41.50 | g1powermac | fun, fun, I made a boot floppy image but it dies the second it wants to load the linux kernel |
| 18:48.49 | g1powermac | aha |
| 18:48.52 | g1powermac | fixed it |
| 18:49.01 | g1powermac | EMILE really does want gcc 3.4.5 |
| 18:49.24 | g1powermac | well, spoke too soon |
| 18:49.41 | g1powermac | now it isn't starting the kernel, though it did load it this time |
| 18:49.56 | g1powermac | could be my kernel though |
| 18:54.04 | g1powermac | yupper, it was my kernel |
| 18:54.14 | g1powermac | yay, I now have a fully functional build system |
| 18:59.18 | ds2 | that's merely 30 pins on each side |
| 18:59.36 | ds2 | 0.025" pitch should do it |
| 18:59.40 | g1powermac | holy mother of pearl: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10016485-52.html |
| 18:59.44 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, see that link |
| 19:01.56 | MothaWork | people still use boot floppies? |
| 19:02.07 | g1powermac | MothaWork, for m68k macs, yes |
| 19:15.35 | MothaWork | g1powermac: well, I guess 68k macs are old |
| 19:21.33 | g1powermac | MothaWork, just a bit :-) |
| 19:39.54 | g1powermac | huh, out of curiosity, I looked up as to whats in the sega saturn |
| 19:40.07 | g1powermac | has anyone here actually read whats in the thing? |
| 19:40.32 | g1powermac | its absolutely crazy, the thing has 6+ processors in the thing |
| 19:40.40 | g1powermac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Saturn#Processors |
| 19:45.02 | chouimat|work | with the number of time I had to type commands in u-boot today I start to like it ... maybe I'm sick |
| 19:48.22 | ds2 | U-boot is a fine loader! |
| 19:48.26 | ds2 | repeat that 100x |
| 19:51.30 | MothaWork | the OHH loader, despite having some pretty crummy code, managed to do more and work better, though |
| 19:53.35 | chouimat|work | chkcfg --list |
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| 20:16.49 | g1powermac | prpplague, would you know what might cause nothing to happen after the bootloader loads the kernel and I guess passes execution off to the kernel? |
| 20:17.45 | prpplague | g1powermac: there are a ton of things |
| 20:17.58 | g1powermac | it seems EMILE loads my kernel and a ramdisk, but then nothing happens |
| 20:17.59 | prpplague | g1powermac: might check to see if you can enable early printk's |
| 20:18.16 | g1powermac | it works fine with a test prebuilt 2.2.x kernel |
| 20:19.29 | g1powermac | prpplague, is there an option for that? |
| 20:19.44 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea |
| 20:20.42 | g1powermac | any hint on the name of the option? :-) |
| 20:22.39 | prpplague | it varies from system |
| 20:30.02 | MothaWork | ok, any CVS wizards? I need to add (not import, but add) a directory that consists of an entire kernel source tree to a repo. Kernel source has several dirs named "core" which CVS ignores by default. How do I unignore that? |
| 20:30.40 | chouimat|work | look for the .ignore file iirc (or something named like this) |
| 20:31.27 | MothaWork | there's no .cvsignore. CVS ignores "core" by default |
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| 21:28.21 | g1powermac | hah, now thats interesting |
| 21:28.47 | g1powermac | prpplague, I started off with a defconfig and removed stuff slowly to get the size down to what I needed |
| 21:29.18 | g1powermac | prpplague, so I finally got a kernel that got down to size and I loaded it up on a floppy |
| 21:29.24 | prpplague | nice |
| 21:29.43 | prpplague | g1powermac: booting now? |
| 21:29.51 | g1powermac | prpplague, this time it showed tux and I guess a bit of info of the machine before it froze |
| 21:30.04 | g1powermac | then the whole machine spontaneously shut off |
| 21:30.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:30.23 | g1powermac | that was the weirdest thing I've ever seen |
| 21:31.53 | g1powermac | man that is so weird |
| 21:31.58 | g1powermac | tried it again |
| 21:32.49 | g1powermac | prpplague, is there any floating point math in the kernel? |
| 21:33.54 | g1powermac | this could be from the fact that this powerbook has a lc version of a 68040 |
| 21:34.03 | g1powermac | which has a notoriously buggy fpu |
| 21:34.15 | g1powermac | though it is dying really early on |
| 21:34.44 | MothaWork | g1powermac: using floating point in the kernel is not allowed |
| 21:34.52 | g1powermac | k |
| 21:34.54 | MothaWork | doing so on x86 can actually corrupt user space FPU results! |
| 21:35.00 | g1powermac | fun |
| 21:35.03 | MothaWork | the state of the copro isn't saved off during context switches |
| 21:35.06 | g1powermac | ok, so it ain't fpu stuff |
| 21:35.15 | g1powermac | I wonder what is causing it to shut off |
| 21:37.09 | g1powermac | can't test this on the 68030 mac classic II either atm |
| 21:37.17 | g1powermac | as it just doesn't have enough ram atm |
| 21:40.02 | g1powermac | well thats interesting |
| 21:40.25 | g1powermac | disabled the fpu emulation support in the kernel and now its not shutting down |
| 21:40.29 | g1powermac | at least |
| 21:41.08 | g1powermac | it still freezes though |
| 21:41.30 | g1powermac | this is what I get (besides tux): |
| 21:41.35 | g1powermac | MacLinux |
| 21:41.45 | g1powermac | vidaddr: 60000000 |
| 21:42.00 | g1powermac | _stext: 00001000 |
| 21:42.09 | g1powermac | bootinfo: 00150000 |
| 21:42.18 | g1powermac | cpuid: 0000000A |
| 21:42.24 | g1powermac | ABCDEFGHIJK |
| 21:42.41 | g1powermac | and thats it |
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| 23:48.59 | solar | evening |
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| 23:55.28 | g1powermac | heya solar |
| 23:55.59 | Djice | hello |
| 23:56.01 | Djice | i need the jtag pin connection for a T-Com Sinus 154 Basic 3 |