| 00:18.28 | g1powermac | GPSFan, btw, were you able to find a second scsi cdrom? |
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| 00:36.32 | GPSFan | g1powermac: I have an old plextor cdrw that is somewhat taken apart,, as well as a scsi cdrom in an old bernoulli box case. I' going tobe busy all tomorrow, I hope to get the rest of the stuff packaged up this weekend. the monitor is 19"x20"x22" and 42# |
| 00:45.38 | g1powermac | k |
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| 02:16.10 | T0mW | GPSFan: hello dude |
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| 02:18.15 | GPSFan | T0mW: hey, how's trix... |
| 02:18.45 | T0mW | GPSFan: I just wanted to stop by and give you a new URL of mine: http://tomsnewhome.info |
| 02:19.19 | T0mW | GPSFan: it looks like I will be painting some rooms this weekend! Yahooo! |
| 02:19.59 | T0mW | GPSFan: ... I've still got that big hole in the side of the house with the tarp over it.. heh |
| 02:21.08 | GPSFan | ooof, looks like a lot of work, but the worst is beind you now (says /me hopefully) |
| 02:21.43 | T0mW | yes, I think that I am at the point where most homebuyers are at: getting the place ready to move into. |
| 02:22.39 | T0mW | I've finally stopped bleeding down the water pressure and pulling the main electrical switch before I leave. I have to start trusting those systems eventually. |
| 02:24.20 | T0mW | I may yet go over there tonight and start pulling that drywall down... |
| 02:24.40 | GPSFan | yeah, it's would be a bad deal to come back to a house afloat, while sparks were shooting out the chimney. |
| 02:25.19 | T0mW | but, there have been times I've thought that burning it down and starting over again was an attractive idea. |
| 02:25.52 | T0mW | GPSFan: what have you been up to? |
| 02:27.03 | GPSFan | T0mW: lots of farm stuff, got jtag working on the z2, I've been able to run blob under jtag and break and step through it. now I just need to spend some time with it. |
| 02:27.17 | T0mW | nod |
| 02:27.41 | T0mW | it will be a while before I can get my workshop setup to get back to the Zipit. |
| 02:28.18 | T0mW | those pinouts that g1powermac details are good then? |
| 02:28.21 | GPSFan | there have been bursts of activity & interest, seems very quiet now. |
| 02:28.36 | GPSFan | for the jtag? yes |
| 02:28.41 | GPSFan | and the serial |
| 02:29.37 | T0mW | well, I've got three z2s here, one of them will get modified then. If nothing else, the z2 is another gadget in the pursuit of technical compentency. |
| 02:29.39 | GPSFan | I did a mini how-to that is on the flyswatter page |
| 02:30.30 | T0mW | I think that elinux is where we should put the data, zipitwireless could go-away someday. |
| 02:31.15 | GPSFan | yeah, I agree. |
| 02:31.16 | T0mW | GPSFan: anyone get anything useful running under X? |
| 02:32.17 | GPSFan | can't say that I've been really following the #zipit irc traffic. I pop in now and then but there are a lot of new folks, who seem to want turnkey solutions. |
| 02:32.49 | GPSFan | but there also a few that are interested in getting apex running. |
| 02:32.57 | T0mW | I was just thinking the same thing. Not too many people who want to hack the unit just because. |
| 02:33.42 | GPSFan | lots of "oh my the wireless dowsn't work" "when will someone fix it?" |
| 02:34.06 | T0mW | That is weird, I have the wireless working. I don't know what the problem is. |
| 02:34.43 | GPSFan | btw I got a jpeg frame buffer viewer going. the display really looks nice with a good jpeg on it. |
| 02:34.45 | T0mW | heck, if you can get a root login, then they should be able to diagnose the problem that they have. |
| 02:35.14 | GPSFan | my point exactly... |
| 02:35.20 | T0mW | yeah, it is a nice display, too bad it doesn't have a touchscreen. |
| 02:36.24 | GPSFan | I've had wireless working on all my buildroot rootfs stufff, you've had it going with the OE build, so "what's the problem folks... the driver is ok, as is the hardware..." |
| 02:36.26 | T0mW | I did some looking around for a touchpanel to put over the LCD, also to find a replacement LCD with a touchpanel. No luck though. |
| 02:37.34 | T0mW | well, the problem is that they are sharing binary images with each other, again. And, whoever created that image fscked it up. So, they don't understand the basics of 'nix system admin. |
| 02:38.20 | T0mW | That was the issue that I had with Adam and Stephanies rom images. |
| 02:40.46 | GPSFan | http://imagebin.ca/view/Bq0Wzb.html |
| 02:41.20 | T0mW | LOL, not a lot of greenery there. |
| 02:42.07 | GPSFan | yeah, I try not to give binary images to anyone I don't trust to figure stuff out. |
| 02:42.15 | T0mW | I like that trailer though. I just had a class 2 hitch put on my Gran Prix, been using it too. Guess that makes me an official homeowner then? |
| 02:43.15 | GPSFan | hehe, the trailer is invaluable for hauling sheep to the processing plant, hauling steel, moving the 4-wheeler to the shop... |
| 02:43.47 | T0mW | lol |
| 02:44.10 | T0mW | when it is time to go to town, you just leave off the trailer. |
| 02:44.35 | T0mW | mama don't buy that much groceries. |
| 02:45.46 | GPSFan | when diesel is pushing $5/gal and the big-box store is 75 miles away the trailer comes in handy. |
| 02:46.36 | T0mW | work had slowed down considerably after the first of the year, but it has been picking up again. I've been working with a customer, who is 70 years old now, and is in the process of organizing his Intellectual Property in preparation to sell his business. |
| 02:46.53 | T0mW | his money is good, not what I want to be doing right now. |
| 02:47.40 | GPSFan | but you will need to tear down and then re setup your lab, and that will put a crimp into any hardware work you are doing at the time. |
| 02:47.45 | T0mW | GPSFan: I'm doing Z80 work again! Cannot seem to get away from those 8 bit machines. |
| 02:48.06 | GPSFan | smiles |
| 02:48.40 | T0mW | I've an old Huntsville Microsystems ISE to get running again to make some code changes. |
| 02:48.54 | MonMotha | T0mW: hey now, there are perfectly valid 8-bit archs to be working on these days |
| 02:48.59 | MonMotha | I'm not sure Z-80 is one of them :) |
| 02:49.27 | GPSFan | I just ran across some c-bios listings from the early z-80 sytem I had "back in the day" |
| 02:49.43 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, all Zilog ever did was crank up the clock and add bankswitch registers (memory remapping) to the Z80 to make it a Z280. |
| 02:50.10 | T0mW | GPSFan: all my CP/M stuff is long gone when I sold my C-64 for $40. |
| 02:50.19 | MonMotha | T0mW: indeed |
| 02:50.23 | MonMotha | now, the 80960, that's a cool arch |
| 02:50.27 | MonMotha | if only they'd left the MMU on it... |
| 02:50.43 | T0mW | never played with that chip. |
| 02:50.56 | MonMotha | T0mW: Intel's foray in to RISC |
| 02:51.15 | MonMotha | 32 registers, register scoreboarding, and I think it was a 2-stage pipeline |
| 02:51.20 | T0mW | LOL! Intel does that a lot, they release a chip and then it dies in obscurity. |
| 02:51.33 | MonMotha | actually, the 960 was used for a LONG time on RAID controllers |
| 02:51.43 | MonMotha | it was fairly good at moving data around and it could XOR in one clock cycle |
| 02:51.54 | MonMotha | they mostly use ARM now, of course |
| 02:52.20 | T0mW | I don't think that Intel knows what it is that they want to do. |
| 02:52.58 | T0mW | They go the ARM route, sell off the low power line, then start building ARM chips that need heatsinks on them. |
| 02:53.25 | MonMotha | yeah, I'm not sure what was up with that |
| 02:53.40 | MonMotha | I think the idea is that ARM is now their "RISC" option |
| 02:53.56 | MonMotha | which, to be fair, you get a big ARM like a Cortex A8, and you can do some serious processing at modest clock rates |
| 02:53.58 | T0mW | lol, yeah, so they can trot it out when they need to. |
| 02:54.13 | MonMotha | but I'm not sure how it fits in their lineup with the small x86s like Atom |
| 02:54.26 | T0mW | Atom is X86? |
| 02:54.33 | MonMotha | the IXP line is neat, but many people still find it easier to just use a FPGA, apparently |
| 02:54.35 | MonMotha | yes, Atom is x86 |
| 02:54.40 | T0mW | bleah |
| 02:54.54 | MonMotha | It's basically a Pentium-M with the instruction set of a Core 2 |
| 02:55.13 | MonMotha | the UMPC market is the clear target |
| 02:55.23 | MonMotha | something like the Eee but smaller |
| 02:55.45 | T0mW | probably will be as successful as the AMD Elan was |
| 02:56.36 | T0mW | I looked at Elan a number of times, just could not figure out how to use it. |
| 02:56.48 | T0mW | s/it/it in a new design |
| 02:57.13 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 02:57.28 | MonMotha | it looked targeted at miniturizing existing designs |
| 02:57.37 | MonMotha | like where you were using a SFF PC and wanted to go smaller/lower power |
| 02:57.43 | T0mW | well, better get some food, then go over to the house and pull down that ceiling and see what the waterstains are all about. There is a bathroom above that ceiling... |
| 02:57.43 | MonMotha | basically it was for the PC104 market |
| 02:57.55 | MonMotha | ah, you bought a fixer-uppr |
| 02:57.58 | MonMotha | as did I |
| 02:58.02 | MonMotha | carpet is going in Saturday |
| 02:58.09 | T0mW | MonMotha: http://tomsnewhome.info |
| 02:58.29 | MonMotha | heh, my place wasn't worn out |
| 02:58.31 | MonMotha | just beat on |
| 02:58.36 | MonMotha | it's <2yr old |
| 02:58.42 | T0mW | MonMotha: paint this weekend, sand the floors, B-I-N prime them, then lay down a new hardwood floor. |
| 02:59.00 | MonMotha | but every surface needed painted, new carpet, clean basement BIG TIME |
| 02:59.20 | MonMotha | there was dog poop EVERYWHERE |
| 02:59.26 | T0mW | MonMotha: mine too, they had the place 18 years and basically just lived there. No upkeep. |
| 02:59.59 | T0mW | MonMotha: I think they kenneled a German Shepard in the one bedroom, phew! |
| 03:00.21 | T0mW | MonMotha: hey, but you got it cheap, right? |
| 03:01.20 | MonMotha | hum, your Realtor has a delightfully similar name to mine |
| 03:01.25 | MonMotha | and yes, I got an absolute steal on it |
| 03:01.33 | T0mW | MonMotha: this morning I pulled the kitchen sink out of the countertop and ripped off the formica. |
| 03:01.33 | MonMotha | only way to get it cheaper would have been if it was in foreclosure |
| 03:01.51 | MonMotha | apparently puppies were born in the master bedroom |
| 03:01.58 | T0mW | MonMotha: mine was in the process, it was a settlement in lieu of foreclosure. |
| 03:02.06 | MonMotha | and they clearly kept dogs in there. There weren't pet spots: the hold damned place was a toliet |
| 03:02.06 | T0mW | MonMotha: lol |
| 03:02.15 | T0mW | oh man! |
| 03:02.15 | MonMotha | this place was a short sale, so similar settlement |
| 03:02.24 | T0mW | same thing |
| 03:02.35 | T0mW | MonMotha: what interest rate did you get? I got 6% |
| 03:02.46 | MonMotha | yeah, I tore the carpet and pad up, deodorized the worst spots on the subfloor (yes, it made it all the way down) with an enzyme deodorizer and then primed it with acrylic sealer/primer |
| 03:02.59 | MonMotha | they did 6.375%, up from 5.81 when I first started looking |
| 03:03.02 | T0mW | MonMotha: B-I-N primer |
| 03:03.15 | MonMotha | so it went up about 0.5% in 2.5months |
| 03:03.32 | MonMotha | this stuff isn't quite the B-I-N style |
| 03:03.35 | T0mW | when did you close? I closed July 16th |
| 03:03.35 | MonMotha | it's Zinnser |
| 03:03.42 | MonMotha | July 13 |
| 03:03.47 | T0mW | ok |
| 03:03.57 | MonMotha | rates were going up then, though |
| 03:04.06 | MonMotha | if I hadn't locked it before, I would have gotten more like 6.5 |
| 03:04.15 | T0mW | I did a lot of shopping around for rates and the local bank had the best rate. |
| 03:04.27 | MonMotha | I asked around and everybody quoted me about the same |
| 03:04.45 | MonMotha | I did get stuck with PMI, though |
| 03:04.52 | MonMotha | I'll get the 20% equity fast enough, though |
| 03:04.58 | T0mW | not me, I put the 20% down |
| 03:05.08 | MonMotha | I'm going to set up weekly payments and I always drop more into principle |
| 03:05.12 | MonMotha | I should be to 20% in a couple years at most |
| 03:05.28 | T0mW | that PMI is a ripoff |
| 03:05.32 | MonMotha | I could theoretically go get it appraised by somebody else, too |
| 03:05.36 | MonMotha | since it's worth far more than I paid for it |
| 03:05.44 | MonMotha | the bank appraisals always come back right at what you pay |
| 03:05.57 | MonMotha | but they usually are required to accept other appraisals |
| 03:06.07 | T0mW | yeah, I paid $110K and it was appraised at $113K |
| 03:06.41 | T0mW | that was probably because the appraiser smelled the dog piss |
| 03:06.52 | T0mW | rotfl |
| 03:07.15 | T0mW | MonMotha: so, where are the pictures of your place? |
| 03:08.00 | MonMotha | I haven't put them up yet |
| 03:08.09 | MonMotha | I've been taking them |
| 03:08.41 | T0mW | MonMotha: hey, don't forget to take photos, you will want to remember just how bad it was and how much of a PITA everything was. |
| 03:09.32 | T0mW | CUL, I'm going to get dressed, eat and go work on my house. |
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| 12:04.24 | g1powermac | hmm, has anyone cross compiled a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 12:04.35 | g1powermac | I can't seem to get mine to see my toolchain |
| 12:04.52 | HcE | 2.4 is ancient |
| 12:05.06 | HcE | there is not any CROSS_COMPILE variable in Makefile? |
| 12:05.19 | HcE | is working with 2.6.27-rc3 ;) |
| 12:05.22 | g1powermac | there is |
| 12:05.26 | g1powermac | and I set it |
| 12:05.53 | g1powermac | to the proper path, but it still wants to use straight 'm68k-linux-gcc' without any of the path of where my toolchain is |
| 12:05.56 | HcE | hmm, been a while since I compiled 2.4 |
| 12:06.12 | HcE | hack your PATH then? |
| 12:06.26 | g1powermac | yea, I know 2.4 is ancient, but I am work with ancient machines atm, and I need to test them with a 2.4 kernel |
| 12:06.31 | g1powermac | done that too |
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| 12:06.52 | g1powermac | however, my toolchain tools aren't preceded by m68k-linux- |
| 12:07.15 | g1powermac | they're preceded by m68k-mac-linux-gnu- |
| 12:09.15 | g1powermac | this is really weird |
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| 13:23.11 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 13:23.35 | g1powermac | can't seem to get the kernel to get past the tux part |
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| 13:45.44 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey bud, really busy this morning, dog-n-pony in 45 minutes |
| 13:45.59 | prpplague | tries to finish assembling a m8050 for the demo |
| 13:48.17 | g1powermac_PB | k |
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| 14:22.22 | solar | good luck with the dog and pony show |
| 14:28.21 | g1powermac | woohoo |
| 14:28.26 | g1powermac | I got a kernel to boot! |
| 14:28.35 | g1powermac | well, till it died on a bus error |
| 14:29.07 | g1powermac | but hey, it got passed the first part :-) |
| 14:29.13 | solar | slow progress. is that for the zipit device you have been hacking on? |
| 14:29.45 | g1powermac | nope, this is for my old m68k bootloader project |
| 14:36.30 | g1powermac | I wonder if its from the ramdisk |
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| 16:40.28 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 16:41.25 | RobotGuy | Hi |
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| 17:40.14 | g1powermac | on no. . .this isn't good |
| 17:40.31 | g1powermac | power is out at the store, the whole shopping center is down |
| 17:43.04 | g1powermac | definitely not good on a friday |
| 17:43.41 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 17:44.14 | solar | put a new meaning to black friday |
| 17:44.18 | g1powermac | heh |
| 17:44.38 | g1powermac | worst part is the utility company has no clue as to why its down and when it will be back up |
| 17:45.07 | g1powermac | though one of the employees heard that a dump truck took out a telephone pole |
| 18:12.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No package yet. |
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| 18:32.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it should have gone out on wed. i'll check on tracking just as soon as i can |
| 18:33.12 | RobotGuy | If 2nd day, then it should arrive today. |
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| 18:47.49 | RobotGuy | XYZZY |
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| 20:39.01 | g1powermac | well, that was interesting |
| 20:39.15 | g1powermac | decided to see if the one mac II he has that he hasn't taken apart worked |
| 20:39.21 | g1powermac | and it didn't |
| 20:40.04 | g1powermac | though I found two interesting things |
| 20:40.35 | g1powermac | one is I now have known mac ram, the other is the board in the unassembled mac II is quite a bit older than the other |
| 20:40.47 | g1powermac | it has many more chips on it |
| 20:41.19 | g1powermac | on the newer board there's a single 'nubus' chip for the nubus slots, but its all logic chips on the older board |
| 20:43.13 | MothaWork | great, my debugger is randomly deciding not to honor my breakpoints |
| 20:43.18 | MothaWork | well, breakpoint (I have one) |
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| 20:43.38 | MothaWork | lack of breakpoints kinda makes a debugger mostly useless... |
| 20:43.45 | g1powermac | MothaWork, fun |
| 20:44.20 | MothaWork | yeah, it's really annoying |
| 20:44.26 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to have used the STM32 SWD? |
| 20:44.30 | MothaWork | especially since the behavior that I'm trying to catch with the breakpoint results in a data abort |
| 20:44.40 | MothaWork | so when it doesn't actually break, it just data aborts |
| 20:44.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ugh, when you enable i2c support there is a ton of i2c functions enabled in the fb support |
| 20:44.52 | SpeedEvil | I can't find the typical operating frequency of SWD. |
| 20:50.17 | g1powermac | needs more desk space. . . |
| 20:50.24 | g1powermac | too many computers |
| 20:53.31 | g1powermac | ds2, lemme know whenever you're ready to ship out the powerbook duo |
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| 21:10.20 | prpplague | that was fun |
| 21:12.33 | solar | done with the dog show? |
| 21:12.38 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:12.44 | prpplague | went badly |
| 21:15.41 | solar | sorry to hear ;/ |
| 21:17.53 | prpplague | yep, pretty crappy day |
| 21:18.24 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I had a good day :) |
| 21:19.32 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe, yea well, no one cares about your day! hehe |
| 21:20.09 | prpplague | hmm, i2c+fb include problems |
| 21:20.11 | chouimat|work | prpplague: i got the 1.2Ghz arm boxes working with fedore 8 ... |
| 21:20.19 | prpplague | chouimat|work: oh nice |
| 21:20.50 | chouimat|work | and also the 500Mhz orion too so now we have 5 arm build machine :) |
| 21:21.15 | chouimat|work | took me a week ... |
| 21:22.24 | prpplague | hmm, ok so i don't understand why the fbcon should be including i2c.h if you have no i2c features related to the fb |
| 21:23.08 | chouimat|work | waits for the stupid rain to stop |
| 21:23.29 | prpplague | chouimat|work: please send it here |
| 21:23.53 | chouimat|work | http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/radar/index_e.html?id=XFT |
| 21:37.34 | g1powermac | holy mother of pearl |
| 21:38.28 | g1powermac | brought out his mom's old mac, a performa 637 and the thing booted the kernel right up to looking for a ramdisk where it died because I don't have a ramdisk on the floppy |
| 21:39.08 | CosmicPenguin | Larry Wall has been canonized? |
| 21:40.06 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 21:49.58 | g1powermac | say what? |
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| 23:29.55 | g1powermac | wonders how small of an initramfs he can make |