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| 01:40.00 | g1powermac | prpplague, so who are these baremetal guys? |
| 01:41.55 | g1powermac | holy mother of pearl |
| 01:42.16 | g1powermac | "Inside Macintosh, Volume VI" rivals the size of my calculus book |
| 01:42.32 | g1powermac | got a batch of old mac dev books in today |
| 01:42.37 | ds2 | that's either not too big or the calculus books have gotten a lot more verbose ;) |
| 01:42.58 | g1powermac | made the mail lady really work out carrying all these books ;-) |
| 01:43.10 | g1powermac | ds2, this is a four course calculus book :-) |
| 01:44.37 | ds2 | 4 course? we only had 2 parts - calc 1 and calc 2 |
| 01:45.21 | g1powermac | yup, this book is meant to cover calc I through IV |
| 01:45.34 | ds2 | but what is in calc III and IV |
| 01:45.43 | g1powermac | multivariable stuff |
| 01:45.49 | g1powermac | really advanced stuff |
| 01:46.02 | ds2 | guess they expanded it then.. that stuff was in calc II |
| 01:47.03 | g1powermac | yea, its differential for calc I, integral for calc II, multivariable differential for calc III, and multivariable integral for calc IV iirc |
| 01:47.20 | g1powermac | only did calc I and II before leaving college |
| 01:48.00 | g1powermac | my favorite math course though was discrete math |
| 01:48.11 | g1powermac | though I really did like calc II as well |
| 01:52.05 | ds2 | ah I see; we had diff and int together |
| 02:03.24 | ce_geek | Is there an endian-portable way to use bitfields in C? |
| 02:07.36 | g1powermac | can't believe that worked |
| 02:07.51 | g1powermac | got in my scsi adapter for the powerbook today as well |
| 02:08.24 | g1powermac | so I hooked it up to my external drive, which had an OS 7.5.5 install that I installed from the mac classic II |
| 02:09.06 | g1powermac | I booted off that drive, copied over its system suitcase and finder to the trashed install on the powerbook |
| 02:09.29 | g1powermac | and restarted it, and the thing actually booted right off the trashed install like nothing happened |
| 02:10.32 | g1powermac | gotta give credit to early mac os in keeping the os extremely compartmentalized |
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| 02:19.39 | g1powermac | gnight all |
| 02:20.13 | prpplague | anyone know of a HID gadget driver? |
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| 11:28.06 | g1powermac | nice |
| 11:28.25 | g1powermac | there seems to be a floppy driver out there for the m68k mac linux port |
| 11:28.41 | g1powermac | however, the guy who originally wrote it, he made it for the 2.2x kernel |
| 11:28.52 | g1powermac | and it was never ported over to 2.6 for really no reason |
| 11:29.20 | g1powermac | so now I got a project to help with the port :-) |
| 12:40.10 | RobotGuy | Always something extra to do. |
| 12:40.18 | solar | always |
| 12:41.58 | RobotGuy | That Arduino error I am getting still doesn't make any sense. I don't have any int pointers. |
| 12:42.43 | solar | I've never seen the syntax of servo[x, i] in c'ish before. |
| 12:43.17 | solar | afaik. should be servo[x][i] |
| 12:43.45 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm. Nothing has complained about that so far. |
| 12:44.05 | RobotGuy | But. I wonder if that could be triggering this strange error somehow. |
| 12:44.19 | solar | I thought [i,x] was a python thing |
| 12:45.03 | solar | but the arduino takes just about any lang construct you can throw at it. So that may be perfectly valid. Or maybe even something new for me to learn |
| 12:45.13 | RobotGuy | I'll try the other syntax and see what happens. |
| 12:45.51 | RobotGuy | I was playing with Processing earlier - pretty neat, but does not seem to support any I/O boards. |
| 12:46.25 | solar | I'm not quite sure whats 'Processing' and whats just c |
| 12:46.33 | solar | cuz it all seems c-like to me |
| 12:51.24 | RobotGuy | solar: It definitely did not like the [][] array indexing, but does like [ , ]. |
| 12:52.04 | RobotGuy | I have the Arduino, Wiring, and Processing environments working on this slugbug server. |
| 12:53.14 | RobotGuy | It's complaining about int pointers, but I am not using any of those. |
| 12:53.50 | RobotGuy | solar: I think what is Arduino, Wiring, and Processing are really there libraries. |
| 12:54.35 | RobotGuy | s/there/their/ |
| 12:55.44 | RobotGuy | solar: I got a new toy last night. I traded in the rest of my DVD collection for store credit. |
| 12:56.39 | solar | sell your sole for gadgets. |
| 12:56.49 | solar | what did you pick up? |
| 12:57.03 | RobotGuy | I got a Wiimote. :) |
| 12:57.25 | solar | for the bluetooth ability? |
| 12:58.01 | RobotGuy | solar: To see if I can get it working with Arduino as a controller. Others seem to have done that already. |
| 12:58.26 | solar | you know actually i was talking to a blind woman last night for about 30 mins about using ultrasoinic sensors for pseudo sight |
| 13:00.07 | solar | http://linbsd.net/~solar/ultra.mpeg (bluebooth headset + small MCU and battey pack about the size of a cellphone transmitting to the headset) |
| 13:00.22 | solar | or glasses. |
| 13:01.06 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, interesting. |
| 13:02.47 | solar | http://www.futurlec.com/Gas_Sensors.shtml |
| 13:03.02 | solar | Perhaps interesting to make sure you don't drive walter into traffic |
| 13:06.02 | RobotGuy | I've heard too much bad about Futurlec to risk doing business with the,m. |
| 13:07.23 | solar | other than a crappy shipping dept. I hear it's probably about the cheapest place to find stuff online |
| 13:07.57 | solar | but that was not the point. Was rather pointing you to raw gas sensors |
| 13:26.39 | RobotGuy | solar: Oh, OK. ;) The Wiimote communicates with the Nunchik via I2C. Arduino has I2C. |
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| 15:30.28 | wmat | prpplague: finally set up some elinux.org mailing lists - http://elinux.org/ELinuxWiki:Mailing_List |
| 15:32.23 | prpplague | lovely |
| 15:32.58 | wmat | because nobody really gets enough email ;) |
| 15:40.07 | chouimat|work | yay another source of spams .... this spamfilter need training :) |
| 15:46.51 | g1powermac | heya prpplague |
| 15:47.01 | prpplague | hey |
| 15:47.19 | g1powermac | prpplague, so I found out there is a floppy disk driver for the m68k macs |
| 15:47.39 | g1powermac | problem is, the guy who originally wrote it made it for the 2.2.x kernel |
| 15:47.59 | g1powermac | and no one bothered to port it to 2.6 for any apparent reason |
| 15:48.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:48.54 | prpplague | sounds like fun |
| 15:49.06 | g1powermac | so I might try my hand at porting it :-) |
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| 16:51.10 | prpplague | the ni-cd batteries in our ESD tester have died |
| 16:51.17 | prpplague | they only lasted 9 years |
| 16:56.00 | g1powermac | :-) |
| 17:00.18 | prpplague | looks at the HP20 calculator |
| 17:06.20 | prpplague | hehe need to build a remote terminal app for that |
| 17:07.57 | kergoth`work | prpplague: you happen to have a list of things you disliked about openembedded? I'm putting together a list of good and bad aspects of the system |
| 17:08.10 | g1powermac | interesting, the mac os is really built of the rom, the whole gui system is on the rom |
| 17:08.15 | g1powermac | *off |
| 17:08.29 | ds2 | OE just sucks ;) |
| 17:08.45 | kergoth`work | rolls eyes |
| 17:08.47 | ds2 | worse then the plague |
| 17:08.59 | prpplague | kergoth`work: basically if you do a comparison between poky and OE you'll have 99% of my list |
| 17:09.06 | kergoth`work | every embedded toolset sucks, commercial and otherwise, its just a matter of degree. |
| 17:09.27 | kergoth`work | poky and oe really arent all that different. poky just maintains its own metadata and has better docs, no? |
| 17:09.56 | ds2 | #1 turn off, it requires python to do anything |
| 17:10.05 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, they do stable releases, test with redhat/fedora, they use svn |
| 17:11.27 | kergoth`work | i'd rather bitbake was c and used lua for configuration scripting, personally... but </pipe dream> |
| 17:11.32 | kergoth`work | :P |
| 17:11.42 | CosmicPenguin | You have nobody to blame but yourself.. :) |
| 17:11.46 | kergoth`work | its true |
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| 17:13.35 | prpplague | kergoth`work: having redhat/fedora testing and stable releases are #1 and #2 on the list |
| 17:13.47 | kergoth`work | nod, makes sense |
| 17:14.01 | prpplague | kergoth`work: OE is still almost impossible to get running under F8/F9 |
| 17:14.22 | kergoth`work | OE always had manpower problems when it came to metadata maintainance, so stable never got the focus it needed, at least in the past. was enough trouble keeping everything building in the main repo. just wasnt enough package metadata maintainers |
| 17:14.24 | CosmicPenguin | I fail to see a problem.. :) |
| 17:14.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: with which item? |
| 17:14.54 | kergoth`work | i am glad to see oe has the sanity.bbclass and stuff for basic qa checks, and has a tinderbox and all, thats a good start on the qa end |
| 17:15.52 | prpplague | yea, i'm still learning the usage with poky, but i've actually been able to get work done |
| 17:18.23 | chouimat|work | hi |
| 17:22.27 | kergoth`work | i'm really getting tempted to start from scratch on this stuff |
| 17:22.52 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/ODD_SPEEDING_CHAIR?SITE=AP |
| 17:28.27 | g1powermac | http://idle.slashdot.org/idle/08/08/19/1552255.shtml |
| 17:28.29 | g1powermac | hah |
| 17:28.49 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, doh, you got it first ;-) |
| 17:37.06 | prpplague | kergoth`work: if you do, i'd be more than happy to provide some feedback |
| 17:38.19 | kergoth`work | i hate to do so, given how many projects already exist for this stuff, but none seem quite what i need |
| 17:38.58 | prpplague | kergoth`work: indeed, often in that boat |
| 17:39.29 | ds2 | go back to the traditional way of doing it |
| 17:39.46 | prpplague | ds2: which is? |
| 17:39.51 | ds2 | build it a tool chain, install it some place, say /opt/arm_v6_vfp_le/* |
| 17:39.58 | kergoth`work | i'm not talking about toolchains. |
| 17:40.12 | ds2 | to compile for that, set your path, then build stuff with "make CC=arm_v6_vfp_le-gcc ..." |
| 17:40.12 | kergoth`work | i'm talking about tools to construct linux distributions |
| 17:40.21 | ds2 | and write a script that does all the makes |
| 17:40.46 | kergoth`work | OE exists because buildroot types weren't nearly flexible enough |
| 17:40.50 | ds2 | stop trying to hide all the details and create a support nightmare; keep it simple. |
| 17:40.50 | kergoth`work | i wouldn't have bothered if they were |
| 17:41.40 | kergoth`work | then you lose many of oe's advantages, including the fact that multiple projects and distributions can share a single project metadata/patch repository, better facilitating collaboration |
| 17:41.55 | kergoth`work | you're back where all the existing distros are, working in isolation |
| 17:42.19 | ds2 | IMO, OE is a failure. it causes too many other problems |
| 17:42.37 | kergoth`work | well, the numerous projects and companies using it disagree. |
| 17:42.52 | prpplague | kergoth`work: yea, the main keys for me and my fellow devrs in my field are, #1 easy to get setup, #2 be able to get stable releases , #3 easy to add customs programs that aren't always written with the best makefiles/configure features |
| 17:44.11 | kergoth`work | wonder if itd be beneficial to look at the design from a requirements/use case perspective |
| 17:44.35 | prpplague | probably |
| 17:44.39 | ds2 | the tools I would like to see are: |
| 17:44.57 | ds2 | 1. Script to UNlibtool-ize and UNconfigure-ize things automatically |
| 17:45.22 | ds2 | 2. A script that will take a given package and spit out exactly what it wants - package name + .so/.a files needed |
| 17:46.03 | ds2 | all those build environment stuff are basically working around those two brain damages in packages |
| 17:46.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:46.24 | kergoth`work | not really. without autotools, crosscompilation is a lot worse |
| 17:46.32 | kergoth`work | autotools is damaged, but ist damaged in a _predictable fashion_ |
| 17:46.35 | kergoth`work | we can work around it |
| 17:46.45 | kergoth`work | when there are a shitton of make based buildsystems, you have no idea what you're up against |
| 17:46.55 | kergoth`work | most give no thought to crosscompilation at all |
| 17:47.01 | ds2 | without autotools, crosscompiling is a lot better. there is a reason why there is a -L argument to the linker. ignoring them is a bad idea |
| 17:47.02 | kergoth`work | so you get to rewrite half the thing |
| 17:47.22 | kergoth`work | i've made 500+ packages crosscompile |
| 17:47.25 | kergoth`work | what about you? |
| 17:48.40 | ds2 | I don't do packages, I build entire systems so no counts |
| 17:48.41 | prpplague | kergoth`work: personally i have found that the #1 reason professional developers use buildroot is so they can generate extremely small rootfs and do it quickly inorder to do board bringups and initial kernel driver dev |
| 17:49.24 | prpplague | kergoth`work: if you can install buildroot and have an initrd of about 600k in about 45 minutes, thats a big plus |
| 17:49.44 | ds2 | prpplague: I've given up on a "userland" for bring up... if it boots far enough to panic about no init, it is mostly running ;) |
| 17:50.09 | prpplague | kergoth: most of the time on initial board bringups you are either using jtag or a rs-232 , so loading a 600k initrd takes a whole lot less time |
| 17:50.21 | prpplague | ds2: i have a generic buildroot image is use |
| 17:50.40 | prpplague | ds2: lots of dev utils specific for debugging and driver dev |
| 17:50.56 | ds2 | prpplague: that works fine if you are doing superses of the same arch |
| 17:51.32 | kergoth`work | OE is more for maintaining the distribution for your platform long term, and not for ultra-low-resource systems. not for the bringup. I'd not argue that it's a buildroot replacement for that, it has too much overhead for that |
| 17:51.36 | ds2 | supersets |
| 17:52.53 | prpplague | kergoth`work: indeed, but the problem is that when the bringup is done, you usually hand it over to someone who is going to do GUI/distro work, it would be nice not to duplicate work |
| 17:52.57 | kergoth`work | ds2: on average, it takes less than 2 minutes to make an autotools based package crosscompile, here. it's always more for a custom buildsystem, since there's no telling if they split CC vs BUILD_CC, etc. 99% of people's problems with autotools stem from ignorance. |
| 17:53.05 | prpplague | kergoth`work: right now we do bringup with buildroot, then move to poky |
| 17:53.22 | kergoth`work | prpplague: that's difficult to do, the use cases are very different.. its part of why i want to start over with something thatd handle both |
| 17:53.55 | prpplague | kergoth`work: right, which is what i was pointing out |
| 17:54.01 | kergoth`work | nods |
| 17:54.15 | prpplague | kergoth`work: poky has some "core" and "base" builds that do really well |
| 17:54.25 | ds2 | kergoth: where is here? :) |
| 17:54.56 | kergoth`work | here is me, with oe's autotools CONFIG_SITE files to prepopulate the test resutls for the target platform |
| 17:55.07 | kergoth`work | without that, autotools will choke on AC_TRY_RUN()'s |
| 17:55.40 | ds2 | nevermind, you said crosscompile... I originally read that as work |
| 17:56.30 | kergoth`work | prpplague: i'd love for a new solution to leverage both oe's common repositories and system wide build capability with scratchbox's transparency and the ability to build out of a source tree, instead of seperating source from build metadata |
| 17:57.02 | prpplague | kergoth`work: ahh indeed, thats one of the issues i'm working with right now |
| 17:58.00 | prpplague | kergoth`work: i've been hacking up psplash with some features, and i hate how i have to do the builds from within poky |
| 17:58.22 | kergoth`work | the vcs-pkg effort is interesting. they're looking at using a git repository for distribution builds (debian for them) |
| 17:58.26 | kergoth`work | each patch is a topic branch |
| 17:58.37 | kergoth`work | they store a binary delta file in the repo so they can emit a bit-identical original upstream tarball |
| 17:58.44 | kergoth`work | and woul dstore the distro metadata in another branch |
| 17:59.13 | kergoth`work | http://vcs-pkg.org/ |
| 17:59.21 | prpplague | kergoth`work: have you done very many board bringups? |
| 17:59.25 | kergoth`work | they too want to combine efforts of multiple distros |
| 17:59.28 | kergoth`work | sharing patches |
| 17:59.40 | kergoth`work | a few, when i was at TI in the OMAP division |
| 18:00.08 | kergoth`work | would get a new board with a new omap chip, or an emulator or simulator, and have to run with it, get all th drivers done |
| 18:00.11 | kergoth`work | small team |
| 18:00.23 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 18:00.48 | prpplague | was the hardware "known good" ? |
| 18:01.12 | kergoth`work | if only |
| 18:01.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:01.34 | kergoth`work | learned that he's more of a software person, didn't much like that job |
| 18:01.42 | kergoth`work | once you've written one fb driver, you've written them all |
| 18:01.51 | prpplague | well, if you get busy on doing a new system, give me shout on the bringup side of the project |
| 18:01.56 | prpplague | kergoth`work: hehe indeed |
| 18:02.25 | kergoth`work | i'm hoping i don't get sucked into nda crap. remember that mv has their own distro tools, though crappy ones right now |
| 18:02.28 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 18:02.46 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:03.27 | prpplague | kergoth`work: i'm sure if you start on something we could talk to brad about it (as far as my input/help) |
| 18:03.32 | kergoth`work | i don't mind so much the use of rpm. spec is far superior to debian/rules.. but the actual tools based on it suck ass |
| 18:04.46 | prpplague | kergoth`work: yea, i gave up using rpm for anything but the most common packages, even for desktop stuff |
| 18:05.40 | kergoth`work | prpplague, ds2: seen http://code.google.com/p/quagmire/ ? |
| 18:05.43 | kergoth`work | kind of cool |
| 18:06.02 | chouimat|work | g1powermac: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3811144 |
| 18:06.59 | MothaWork | everyone knows it's QUAGMIRE! |
| 18:07.09 | kergoth`work | hehe |
| 18:07.17 | MothaWork | that said, I would not be sad to see libtool co |
| 18:07.18 | MothaWork | *go |
| 18:07.20 | kergoth`work | thats the first thing i thought of too. |
| 18:07.27 | kergoth`work | MothaWork: seen dolt? |
| 18:07.35 | MothaWork | hell, I wouldn't complain about autoconf, automake, and libtool all disappearing |
| 18:07.38 | MothaWork | I have not |
| 18:07.41 | kergoth`work | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/04/msg00286.html |
| 18:07.43 | kergoth`work | check it out |
| 18:07.51 | ds2 | kergoth: no, but it looks interesting. but I have wonder if thisn't facing some of the same stuff as scons, etc |
| 18:07.53 | kergoth`work | libx11 without dolt: 1m50.163s |
| 18:07.53 | kergoth`work | libx11 with dolt: 0m53.417s |
| 18:08.04 | kergoth`work | ds2: probably, but at least it isnt python! :P |
| 18:08.18 | kergoth`work | course i'm sure it runs into make portability issues |
| 18:08.27 | kergoth`work | lots of gnu make features are only in recent versions |
| 18:08.58 | kergoth`work | any of you guys mess with Conary? |
| 18:09.06 | ds2 | but make is a lot more palatable then python |
| 18:09.31 | CosmicPenguin | calls in the guys with the truck with the padded walls for ds2 |
| 18:09.37 | CosmicPenguin | These men are going to make you all better |
| 18:09.57 | kergoth`work | chuckles |
| 18:10.29 | kergoth`work | i'd rather see lua used than python, it's easier for non-coders to use, and a great deal lighter. but even then.. |
| 18:12.26 | kergoth`work | prpplague: one nice thing about moving to individual repositories for sources with the oe metadata included, is itd be a lot easier to store the generated files, configure, etc, in the scm to reduce build time. oe does a lot of regenerating right now |
| 18:13.40 | kergoth`work | one thing i'd like to see improved, in general, as i don't see any of the embedded tools with it, is better reproducability and input/output tracking, package manifests, storing output files in scm, etc |
| 18:13.51 | kergoth`work | i know a lot of configuration managers i talked to about oe had complaints about that |
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| 19:09.53 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, hahaha |
| 19:45.42 | kergoth`work | prpplague: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dzb388z_54d92wv9f4 - a complete mess just now, but.. |
| 19:52.18 | prpplague | bookmarks |
| 20:10.05 | MothaWork | ok, EMC really is black magic voodoo |
| 20:12.04 | g1powermac | MothaWork, yes, it is :-) |
| 20:13.34 | MothaWork | people had told me that ferrites are not normally effective at the 30-300MHz range since the frequency isn't high enough for the slight inductance to make much of a difference (i.e. it may help with higher harmonics, but not lower stuff) |
| 20:13.44 | MothaWork | yeah, apparently in this case they are very effective at 200 |
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| 20:22.41 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 20:23.29 | adyer | MothaWork: 'people' should look at the impedance curves... |
| 20:23.57 | RobotGuy | Hi |
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| 20:58.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you trace my package? |
| 21:23.55 | prpplague | hehe dallas made it on boingboing today, hehe |
| 21:24.59 | kergoth`work | "What caused Durham to admit to his wrongdoing? Was it depression, guilt, a need for forgiveness, the first step on the road to redemption? No, Durham plead guilty to aggravated murder in return for a gargantuan fast-food feast. He received a bucket of KFC chicken, a bucket of Popeye's chicken, a serving of mashed potatoes, a serving of coleslaw, a slice of carrot cake, a pizza, two calzones, a tray of lasagna and a bucket of ice cream." |
| 21:25.59 | prpplague | holy buffet batman |
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| 21:44.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - linked in tells me you hooked up with Liam allright |
| 21:44.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, he invited me |
| 21:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - I see a lot of people on your list that i need to be friends with |
| 21:46.11 | ds2 | Hmmmm |
| 21:50.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:50.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i need to finish my profile |
| 21:51.07 | CosmicPenguin | I don't have any suitable pictures |
| 21:51.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: was totally surprised when i saw liam do an invite |
| 21:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | I do have a pose like sjhill though |
| 21:53.21 | ds2 | does linked in check what you use as the picture? |
| 21:55.11 | CosmicPenguin | I think the nature of linked-in makes sure the picture is of a professional nature |
| 21:56.06 | ds2 | well, using a picture of dilbert isn't too far off ;) |
| 21:56.23 | prpplague | heads home |
| 21:56.24 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 21:56.25 | CosmicPenguin | I might be counting on some of these people for a job some day |
| 21:57.35 | ds2 | heh |
| 22:00.33 | kergoth`work | never really -use- linkedin... i mean, i'm connected to some folks, but thats about it |
| 22:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | emergency network |
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| 22:10.08 | kergoth`work | found a new dotfile trick, you can set some LESS_TERMCAP_ vars to make man pages have some color |
| 22:10.09 | kergoth`work | good stuff |
| 22:12.01 | ds2 | we haven't all succumed to GNU and started reading info pages like good GNU-ites? |
| 22:12.15 | kergoth`work | shudders at the thought of info |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_mb=$'\E[01;31m' |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_md=$'\E[01;31m' |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_me=$'\E[0m' |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_se=$'\E[0m' |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_so=$'\E[01;44;33m' |
| 22:12.30 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_ue=$'\E[0m' |
| 22:12.32 | kergoth`work | export LESS_TERMCAP_us=$'\E[01;32m' |
| 22:12.34 | kergoth`work | </spam> |
| 22:13.25 | ds2 | shouldn't we all be using GNU linux, running GNU emacs, reading info pages, and developing for GNU Hurd like good GNU-ites? |
| 22:13.50 | kergoth`work | stallman can kiss my ass |
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| 23:36.42 | g1powermac | heya GPSFan |
| 23:40.56 | kergoth | cbrake_away, ping (for whenver you get back) |
| 23:59.41 | GPSFan | g1powermac: hey |