| 00:00.25 | prpplague | ~seen pea |
| 00:00.29 | purl | pea <n=pea@adsl-68-23-85-172.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 20h 17m 35s ago, saying: 'haven't done a deep dive, but that appears to be the extent.'. |
| 00:00.29 | prpplague | dijenerate hey hey bud |
| 00:01.37 | dijenerate | prpplague: hey man what's up? |
| 00:02.00 | prpplague | dijenerate nada, missing the island these days |
| 00:02.25 | dijenerate | prpplague: he he |
| 00:03.01 | dijenerate | prpplague: well it's here whenever you and the wife want to come on back, have a banks and some flying fish |
| 00:03.02 | prpplague | dijenerate whats cookin? you make out with that handheld? |
| 00:03.11 | prpplague | dijenerate hehe indeed |
| 00:03.32 | prpplague | owns 2 acres over in st.john, near bath |
| 00:03.43 | dijenerate | prpplague: couldn't get anything useful out of the manufacturer so we gave up on it |
| 00:03.51 | prpplague | my father-in-law gave it to us as wedding present |
| 00:04.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: sweet! |
| 00:05.08 | prpplague | dijenerate hehe |
| 00:05.46 | prpplague | dijenerate you familiar with the area? |
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| 00:06.08 | prpplague | HA |
| 00:06.10 | prpplague | pea hey hey |
| 00:06.16 | prpplague | i was just looking for you |
| 00:06.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: waiting on the korean company to start shipping this one: http://www.dynamism.com/everun_note.shtml |
| 00:07.01 | prpplague | dijenerate i'm sure you know good old cosmic is the man to talk to on amd devices |
| 00:07.10 | dijenerate | prpplague: I don't know it like my own neighborhood but I can find my way around |
| 00:07.32 | prpplague | dijenerate you know there is a house down there in the area that has a windmill as part of the house? |
| 00:07.41 | dijenerate | prpplague: I'll bear that in mind when the unit arrives and I start to port |
| 00:08.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: I've seen that house |
| 00:08.29 | prpplague | my sister-in-law's house |
| 00:08.44 | prpplague | that area is completely covered with my wife's relatives |
| 00:09.14 | prpplague | hehe, ssshhhh, (red-leg's) |
| 00:09.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: ok, that's pretty cook |
| 00:09.30 | dijenerate | ??? |
| 00:10.21 | prpplague | dijenerate come on, you never heard st.johns fair skin folks refered to as red-legs |
| 00:11.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: you must remember that I didn't grow up on the island my entire life, so there are somethings about the culture that I don't know |
| 00:11.30 | prpplague | dijenerate AH, that explains alot |
| 00:11.38 | prpplague | dijenerate where did you grow up? |
| 00:12.06 | dijenerate | prpplague: Scarborough Ontario |
| 00:13.07 | prpplague | that makes total sense now |
| 00:13.38 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 00:13.59 | prpplague | dijenerate bajan slang 101, (don't say this in polite company)!!! |
| 00:14.15 | dijenerate | prpplague: I gathered |
| 00:14.35 | dijenerate | prpplague: after you explained, it seemed like one of those things |
| 00:14.39 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 00:14.49 | prpplague | dijenerate most of the fair skined indentured severants were from ireland, and were part of the plantations in st.john |
| 00:15.13 | prpplague | dijenerate because their skin was fair, the chains often cause a red rash on their ankles |
| 00:15.46 | prpplague | dijenerate so those fair skin folks from st.john, with little money, are often refered to as "red-legs" |
| 00:16.04 | dijenerate | prpplague: my ancestors on my father's side of the family were from Ireland as well... they were the planters who settled at Francia plantation |
| 00:16.14 | prpplague | ahhh interesting |
| 00:16.25 | prpplague | is a bajan history buff |
| 00:16.40 | dijenerate | prpplague: so I'm gathering |
| 00:17.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:17.57 | dijenerate | prpplague: interesting origin of the term... this island has a very peculiar but quite interesting cultural history |
| 00:17.59 | prpplague | dijenerate since you been there, have you heard anyone great you with "hello wanna" |
| 00:18.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: I have... I' |
| 00:18.26 | prpplague | dijenerate know where that comes from? |
| 00:19.03 | dijenerate | prpplague: I've heard the term used even deliberately by people deliberately to 'sound' more 'bajan' |
| 00:19.25 | dijenerate | prpplague: I know what it translates to but not the origin |
| 00:20.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: my gf says that the definition of 'wanna' in the Caribbean slang dictionary is broken english for 'one and all' |
| 00:21.47 | prpplague | yep |
| 00:21.50 | prpplague | nice |
| 00:21.53 | dijenerate | prpplague: so the pronunciation would be 'won 'n all' which would become 'won 'n' |
| 00:21.55 | prpplague | she knows the history |
| 00:22.58 | dijenerate | prpplague: she was an art major and is only half bajan, but through studying the culture, probably knows more about the island's history than I do |
| 00:23.14 | prpplague | nice |
| 00:24.01 | prpplague | dijenerate if i could find worth there, i'd go back, my son loves it there |
| 00:24.44 | dijenerate | prpplague: you'd have to either work solely for offshore entities or wait a few more years for the I.T. industry to mature |
| 00:25.39 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:25.44 | dijenerate | prpplague: in either case, you'd have to know the right people, this is a small community after all |
| 00:27.39 | prpplague | indeed i found that out when i was there |
| 00:28.03 | prpplague | i figure if/when i go back i'll have something worked out to telecommute for dev in the US |
| 00:30.41 | dijenerate | prpplague: sounds like a good plan |
| 00:31.19 | prpplague | dijenerate "dave's beach bar and embedded development consulting" |
| 00:31.33 | dijenerate | kergoth`work: kergorh... though you fell off the face of the earth... haven't seen you in ages |
| 00:31.48 | dijenerate | prpplague: island style dev |
| 00:31.51 | prpplague | dijenerate hehe he's been avoiding #edev |
| 00:31.53 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 00:32.43 | prpplague | dijenerate i got pissy with him years ago over in #elinux (poorly judged on my part) |
| 00:33.11 | dijenerate | prpplague: met that guy back in 2001, when we were both sharp zaurus developers |
| 00:33.26 | dijenerate | prpplague: back when I was really excited about .arm |
| 00:33.26 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:34.11 | dijenerate | prpplague: dude is legendary... he was the source of the OpenZaurus ROM which is where today's OE has its roots |
| 00:34.43 | prpplague | has to laugh |
| 00:35.04 | dijenerate | prpplague: his was the second spin-off from Sharp's stock rom, first was Paul Flinder's then larson's |
| 00:35.15 | dijenerate | prpplague: why laugh? |
| 00:35.43 | prpplague | dijenerate hehe, because i knew kergoth when he was a lowel tech a digi |
| 00:35.47 | prpplague | lowly |
| 00:36.58 | pea | prpplague: heda... sorry, my machiine decided to fsck, so i went to dinner.. :o |
| 00:37.01 | dijenerate | prpplague: he's come a long way since then |
| 00:37.17 | prpplague | dijenerate indeed |
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| 01:21.07 | kergoth | dijenerate, i've been around on irc in a variety of channels, but haven't been active in any open source project in a few years now, got burned out |
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| 02:50.33 | prpplague | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/08/how_to_build_a_frequency.html |
| 02:50.40 | prpplague | that would be a nice project for the hammer |
| 02:51.53 | solar | thats funny. I just read that same thing no less than 20 mins ago |
| 02:52.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:52.39 | prpplague | solar been talking to alot of arduino folks |
| 02:52.56 | prpplague | solar gonna talk to mr.herod when gets back monday |
| 02:53.39 | solar | arduino upstream proper vs freenode? |
| 02:53.41 | prpplague | solar i think i've going to push towards a liquidation of the hammer, and try to get him to build the sledge hammer instead with a target price of $100 |
| 02:53.54 | prpplague | solar freenode folks |
| 02:54.30 | prpplague | the sub $100 seems to be a giant factor as well as the ease of writing apps similiar to the arduino |
| 02:54.35 | solar | the sledge used the 2410 or 2440? |
| 02:54.39 | prpplague | 2410 |
| 02:54.59 | prpplague | basically a hammer board, but bigger |
| 02:55.04 | prpplague | more i/o |
| 02:55.26 | prpplague | since it is a larger board, we can do less layers, therefor cheaper |
| 02:55.52 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 02:56.21 | prpplague | i'd probably suggest selling it with just 16mb ram and 16mb flash |
| 02:56.36 | solar | are all the designs samsung based? It seems to me that you guys could design some nice boards to go around alot of the arduino hype |
| 02:57.22 | prpplague | you have to remember, all of the boards for tincantools were already completed as part of proof-of-concept designs, they are all done, just never went to production |
| 02:58.18 | prpplague | solar speaking of which, did you get your package yet? |
| 02:58.26 | solar | due friday. |
| 02:58.30 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 02:58.37 | solar | ups still says texas |
| 02:58.38 | prpplague | i think you will be pretty happy with it |
| 02:58.51 | prpplague | looks for tracking info |
| 02:59.45 | prpplague | solar we have about 50 designs that were done as part of proof-of-concept stuff |
| 03:00.04 | prpplague | solar the hammer was just one of those that looked like it would sale well |
| 03:00.52 | solar | did rusty have good/bad things to say about his LWE experience? |
| 03:01.16 | prpplague | SAN PABLO, |
| 03:01.16 | prpplague | CA, US 08/21/2008 7:41 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN |
| 03:01.33 | solar | yeah just saw that |
| 03:01.38 | prpplague | solar 60% bad, 40% good |
| 03:01.54 | solar | it messed me up however. It means i get to come into work on a friday |
| 03:02.08 | solar | so i worked from home yesterday |
| 03:02.11 | prpplague | which is about what i've been getting from the arduino group |
| 03:02.15 | prpplague | solar hehe |
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| 03:19.43 | solar | woot. just remembered i picked up a new bottle of gentlemanjack |
| 04:00.06 | ds2 | gnash is HUGE |
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| 07:14.14 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
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| 07:31.57 | solar | evening |
| 07:35.50 | methril | hola |
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| 07:44.44 | solar | So I did not know foo about Morse code before tonite. Saw some random user who was having problems with trying to figure some code out. Now I have a Morse code device on my desktop. I type it plays the sounds and shows me the - . -..- - .. - -.-- .--. . |
| 07:57.33 | methril | how it's that device? a keyboard with a mic and a lcd? |
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| 08:02.50 | solar | It's a http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/Product_card.asp?part_id=3303 with a simple digital output to a speaker and a really ulgy routine for the morse code |
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| 13:15.07 | g1powermac | morning GPSFan |
| 13:15.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac: g'day |
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| 13:49.50 | g1powermac | morning prpplague |
| 13:50.59 | prpplague | greetings |
| 13:51.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey dude, happy friday.. |
| 13:51.47 | g1powermac | its friday already? dang |
| 13:51.51 | prpplague | yea, merry freakin friday |
| 13:52.17 | g1powermac | has three more days to finish up like 20 small projects before the relatives come over on Monday. . . |
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| 14:01.19 | methril | :O |
| 14:01.26 | methril | like 20 small projects |
| 14:01.46 | methril | glpowermac is going to have a bussy weekend ;) |
| 14:02.25 | g1powermac | methril, quite a few small building projects, like sanding, staining, and hanging shelves |
| 14:02.32 | g1powermac | and other bits of wood |
| 14:02.41 | g1powermac | then comes the final cleanup |
| 14:02.47 | g1powermac | oy, that'll be fun |
| 14:06.14 | g1powermac | hmm, USB 3.0 is going to be called "Superspeed". . .I wonder what's next. . . |
| 14:06.28 | g1powermac | "Warpspeed"? |
| 14:11.17 | chouimat|work | g1powermac: nospeed |
| 14:11.38 | g1powermac | maybe Ludicrous Speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7tc9pVvYg :-) |
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| 14:52.06 | prpplague | procrastinates and works on his wiring/process libraries instead |
| 14:54.51 | prpplague | solar: you awake yet? |
| 14:55.17 | chouimat|work | hi CosmicPenguin prpplague |
| 14:55.26 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greatings |
| 14:55.34 | g1powermac | heya chouimat|work |
| 14:55.35 | prpplague | chouimat|work: how CA today? |
| 14:55.57 | chouimat|work | nice ... but I got assigned to QA today :( |
| 14:56.28 | chouimat|work | "I'm sorry that you got to do QA today ...." |
| 14:56.41 | prpplague | QA? quacks and assholes? |
| 14:56.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:57.02 | g1powermac | hah |
| 14:57.04 | prpplague | jokes with chouimat|work |
| 14:57.17 | chouimat|work | prpplague: hehe ... "shut your brain off and behave like a normal user" |
| 14:57.21 | prpplague | chouimat|work: you should fit right in |
| 14:57.27 | chouimat|work | lol |
| 14:58.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: but since they don't seem to be ready yet I think I'm still ok for a few hours |
| 15:10.43 | solar | prpplague: awake now. |
| 15:10.59 | prpplague | solar: morning |
| 15:11.34 | prpplague | solar: question, the arduino stuff is all built static, see any isses with generating a shared lib for use with stuff like that hammer? |
| 15:12.11 | CosmicPenguin | -ENOPARSE |
| 15:14.49 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 15:14.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the arduino build system is based on all static program builds as the atmega stuff has no operating system |
| 15:15.03 | solar | prpplague: in general no. But it might be neat if you also did the main() { do loop() while(1) } and make that into a single static executable that ppl used in place of init= |
| 15:15.37 | CosmicPenguin | thats what I've been recommending |
| 15:15.55 | CosmicPenguin | actually, I've gone farther then that and said you should run it directly from the bootloader |
| 15:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | I think it should probably be static |
| 15:16.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: already doing that, but that doesn't really give you any advantage of having an os like linux |
| 15:16.22 | CosmicPenguin | Shared libraries aren't very useful unless there is stuff to share, and it can confuse the newbs |
| 15:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: are you selling the hammer or are you selling linux/ |
| 15:16.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all of this would be hidden |
| 15:16.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: selling the hammer with linux |
| 15:17.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you run the app directly from the bootloader, there is no reason to even have a hammer, since you could do that with the arduino at 1/10 the cost |
| 15:18.22 | CosmicPenguin | So you don't think the hammer is a superior product? |
| 15:18.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right tool for the right job |
| 15:19.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the arduino doesn't have a easy usable tcp/ip stack as well as more complete items that are already available in linux |
| 15:19.32 | CosmicPenguin | its your market - you are the expert |
| 15:19.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm interested in your point |
| 15:20.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can you explain it more? |
| 15:20.55 | solar | ppl using the arduino and tcp/ip alike stuff are using the xport btw |
| 15:21.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my question is, if you can run the exact same program on both the hammer and arduino, the arduino is $40 and the hammer is $159, why buy the hammer? |
| 15:21.41 | prpplague | solar: xport? got a url? |
| 15:22.05 | prpplague | solar: ahh found it |
| 15:22.19 | solar | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/05/arduino_xport_shield_buil.html (quick link) |
| 15:22.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sometimes I play solitaire on my opteron box |
| 15:23.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well, currently, you can do a static build of the arduino code and run it from the bootloader(or atleast with my test builds) |
| 15:24.07 | CosmicPenguin | That seems like a very nice feature |
| 15:24.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but that doesn't give you support for any of the usb ports or any of the more complexe features supported under linux such sd/mmc via spi |
| 15:24.57 | CosmicPenguin | no - you are exactly right |
| 15:25.09 | CosmicPenguin | but you are offering people a migration path up to better hardware |
| 15:25.31 | CosmicPenguin | it is not our job to tell people what to do with their systems - my company sells four core processors - do you know how many people actually figure out how to use all four cores effectively? |
| 15:26.03 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:26.05 | CosmicPenguin | I don't tell them to take their single thread applications and go buy an athlon |
| 15:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | There are people for whom the ardrino is plenty |
| 15:26.25 | CosmicPenguin | and god love em |
| 15:26.43 | CosmicPenguin | but there are other people who are arduino savy, but might be looking for more |
| 15:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | why not give them the ability to do old school + new school |
| 15:28.14 | CosmicPenguin | in my line of work, old school and new school clash quite often |
| 15:28.26 | prpplague | "but there are other people who are arduino savy, but might be looking for more" , see that is the thing, when using the arduino code from the bootloader, it doesn't offer anything more, for all practical purposes the hammer becomes an arduino using that method |
| 15:28.29 | solar | prpplague: this would probably be appealing on robotstore.ca (which resells the Nails as well as the common avrs) |
| 15:28.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but the hammer *can* do more |
| 15:28.47 | CosmicPenguin | the ardrino can't |
| 15:29.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:29.13 | CosmicPenguin | sometimes you drive your sportscar at 25 miles an hour through a school zone |
| 15:30.06 | CosmicPenguin | so for all pratical purposes your ferrari is yugo at that point |
| 15:30.31 | prpplague | hmm, well, as usual, i don't seem to think in a similiar fashion as most people, i generally purchase exactly the amount of horsepower i need for the job |
| 15:31.16 | CosmicPenguin | so presumably you have a dozen cars that you use in different situations? |
| 15:31.24 | CosmicPenguin | one for the store, one for work, one for the trip downtonw |
| 15:31.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, but i don't purchase a ferrari to drive back and forth from work |
| 15:32.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when my chevy hhr does everything i need |
| 15:33.07 | CosmicPenguin | If I was to buy a hammer or an adrino, I would do so on the basis that i could repurpose it on a regular basis |
| 15:33.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i see your point, and i'll keep the feature for running the app from the bootloader |
| 15:34.21 | prpplague | however, i'm not sure i understand solar recommendation of using the static app as the init |
| 15:35.01 | solar | prpplague: same diff really. But you get the advantage of the kernel. And super fast startups |
| 15:35.33 | solar | but just any static executable would work. could be rcS vs init= |
| 15:35.41 | solar | or just a background program. |
| 15:36.41 | prpplague | solar: hmm, you wouldn't want to have a more accessable system? if you use it as init, would be more difficult to implement stuff like webservers and such? |
| 15:37.00 | solar | also while coding this. You should try to somewhat put the Hammer out of your mind. think linux.* |
| 15:37.40 | solar | prpplague: both methods have advantages. If I needed full linux stack. Then I'd call a given program at startup |
| 15:37.43 | prpplague | solar: yea, i'm doing this in a general fashion, so you can do it under linux desktop as well as other platforms |
| 15:37.51 | solar | but startup also takes a good 20 seconds |
| 15:38.13 | solar | where the arduino. Reboot and in 2 seconds it's running your app. |
| 15:38.34 | solar | so the shortest bootup time is kinda cool for some tasks. |
| 15:39.03 | prpplague | solar: thats only because of alot of options are enabled, i can have the hammer booted and running in 6 seconds with specific build, and around 4 with a tight build |
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| 15:39.37 | chouimat|work | hi sjhill |
| 15:39.45 | sjhill | hey chouimat|work |
| 15:40.26 | prpplague | solar: for the hammer, i had planned a specific kernel image, and a super small initrd specifically compiled for arduino style dev |
| 15:40.38 | solar | prpplague: oh. de-cppified that Morse code that guy posted yesterday and made it actually work. |
| 15:40.50 | prpplague | solar: ahh cool |
| 15:41.01 | solar | you were talking about making use of some bits vs that ulgy switch() statement? |
| 15:42.04 | prpplague | solar: yea, just a thought, use a 16 bit value to describe the sequence and type of dots/dash function calls |
| 15:42.05 | solar | example lines? Cuz i was thiniking to have a callfuncs ".--. "; when treat each char as a call to the right func |
| 15:43.32 | prpplague | solar: i.e. ".--. " would be 0x194 |
| 15:43.56 | prpplague | 1100010100 |
| 15:44.37 | prpplague | 00= . 01= - 11=space |
| 15:45.10 | prpplague | solar: was just a quick thought, didn't spend a whole bunch of time looking at it |
| 15:45.20 | solar | hrmm. Not sure how to do that right now. But here is the code. http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/arduino/Morse.c |
| 15:45.38 | prpplague | grabs a copy |
| 15:45.53 | chouimat|work | solar: still have the cpp version? |
| 15:46.14 | solar | chouimat|work: I can find it again. sec |
| 15:47.29 | prpplague | solar: i'll tinker it up in a minute |
| 15:47.29 | solar | chouimat|work: but this guy had his dit,dah and a lack of a DoWord() functions incorrect if you compare to wikipedia. http://blog.shaunoneil.com/2008/07/26/arduino-morse-library/ |
| 15:53.43 | sjhill | who's doing Morse code? |
| 15:57.05 | prpplague | sjhill: somone on #arduino was doing a small morse code app, nothing work related per se |
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| 16:26.10 | RobotGuy | Beep beep |
| 16:28.20 | adyer | looks around for Road Runner |
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| 16:50.29 | RobotGuy | Or perhaps a robot? |
| 17:04.28 | g1powermac | what about a robotic road runner? :-) |
| 17:06.41 | g1powermac | ok, you know you're an uber techy geek when you enjoy reading technical manuals of an obscure architecture ;-) |
| 17:07.25 | CosmicPenguin | Its good to learn what other people have tried |
| 17:09.12 | g1powermac | yea |
| 17:09.49 | prpplague | solar: still around? |
| 17:11.51 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I like to carry "Learning Python" with me when I go out, for some light reading. |
| 17:12.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Greetings, Salutations, and Hallucinations! |
| 17:12.32 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, heh, I tend to do things like that |
| 17:12.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hello |
| 17:12.40 | g1powermac | it all depends on what I'm into at the time |
| 17:13.58 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Same here. I did find a couple embedded books that look interesting also. |
| 17:14.41 | g1powermac | woohoo |
| 17:14.54 | g1powermac | prpplague, there seems to be some initial serial port drivers |
| 17:15.12 | g1powermac | prpplague, I was actually able to get a dmesg output from the serial port on the powerbook |
| 17:15.36 | g1powermac | though can't gain access to a terminal on the system |
| 17:15.52 | RobotGuy | Plus a few Linux books I would like to get, including "Understanding the Linux Kernel" and another about writing Linux device drivers. |
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| 17:17.08 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I actually have all the components I need to finish rebuilding the hardware for W.A.L.T.E.R. now. I just have to get my software dev environment rebuilt and working. |
| 17:17.41 | g1powermac_PB | I was finally able to document the last kernel message before the thing shut down |
| 17:17.44 | g1powermac_PB | scsi0: generic options AUTOSENSE PSEUDO DMA USLEEP, USLEEP_POLL=20 USLEEP_SLEEP= |
| 17:17.45 | g1powermac_PB | 2 generic re |
| 17:17.58 | RobotGuy | I need to find somebody to cut a new set of decks though. |
| 17:18.13 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: ahh |
| 17:18.43 | prpplague | solar: http://www.pastebin.ca/1181754 |
| 17:18.53 | prpplague | solar: see what you think of the changes |
| 17:18.58 | RobotGuy | I actually have a slight chance of being able to have W.A.L.T.E.R. at least semi-operational for LWC. Very slight, if everything goes good from now to then. |
| 17:19.10 | prpplague | solar: i;ve not finished converting all the patterns over yet |
| 17:19.21 | prpplague | solar: but enough for you to get an idea of what i'm doing |
| 17:22.21 | RobotGuy | I meant LPC, not LWC. |
| 17:22.53 | RobotGuy | solar: Are you coming up for LPC? |
| 17:24.14 | prpplague | solar: once you get all the alphanumerics switched to patterns, then you can just do it as a lookup in an array |
| 17:24.34 | g1powermac_PB | whats LPC? |
| 17:25.28 | prpplague | linux plumbers conference |
| 17:26.46 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 17:26.55 | prpplague | solar / CosmicPenguin oh, one more question, techinically under linux you could run more than one adruino app at a time, should i allow that as long as they don't use the same physical i/o pins? |
| 17:27.02 | g1powermac | aha, there's the problem: |
| 17:27.04 | g1powermac | pmu intr 02 02 |
| 17:27.04 | g1powermac | pmu_init: timed out acking intrs |
| 17:27.04 | g1powermac | Warning: no ADB interface detected |
| 17:27.16 | g1powermac | that was a bit further up in the dmesg |
| 17:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sure - you could probably even enforce locking in the kernel |
| 17:28.13 | g1powermac | from my understanding, if the system doesn't check with the PMU at certain intervals, it'll shut it down, like a watchdog |
| 17:28.41 | g1powermac | so if its timing out like that, it then kills the system a short while later |
| 17:28.58 | g1powermac | the question now is, why is it timing out |
| 17:29.08 | g1powermac | and only when there isn't a boot_delay set |
| 17:29.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right now, i have the build starting with a shell script: ./wp-build foobar.c |
| 17:35.08 | g1powermac | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/08/22/cutting-pizza-with-a-laser/ |
| 17:35.09 | g1powermac | hah |
| 18:00.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I would welcome the abilty to run more than one Arduino app concurrently. It could be used for multiple Arduinos where pin conflicts would not be an issue. Otherwise, pin conflicts should be an error in most cases. |
| 18:01.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm sorry i did not understand your statement |
| 18:02.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's in reference to your query about running multiple Arduino apps. |
| 18:08.30 | solar | prpplague: cool. |
| 18:08.41 | solar | RobotGuy: no I'm not going to LPC. |
| 18:10.28 | prpplague | solar: cool to which item? |
| 18:11.01 | solar | prpplague: to the pattern=0xffff |
| 18:11.13 | prpplague | solar: ahh |
| 18:11.42 | solar | I would dump the 'a': 'A': stuff and use a toupper/tolower |
| 18:12.16 | solar | actually I still don't like all the case statements. |
| 18:12.17 | prpplague | solar: yea, and have an enumeration and an array with the pattern values |
| 18:12.34 | prpplague | solar: yea, the case would go away with the array |
| 18:12.40 | prpplague | solar: just hadn't got to it yet, hehe |
| 18:12.49 | solar | ahh cool |
| 18:13.07 | solar | was looking and I don't see any morse code libs for linux in general |
| 18:13.45 | RobotGuy | solar: Have you looked at the one Andrew on #Arduino has done? I just got the sources. |
| 18:14.16 | solar | RobotGuy: umm yes. I'm the one that showed him how to get it working |
| 18:14.22 | solar | RobotGuy: did you completely miss that? |
| 18:14.42 | RobotGuy | solar: I know that. I was just wondering if you got the latest sources. |
| 18:15.11 | solar | yes I saw it. I like our fork better |
| 18:15.41 | RobotGuy | I have not seen that. |
| 18:16.51 | solar | prpplague: just pasted it with a few revisions. |
| 18:16.55 | solar | erp |
| 18:17.30 | solar | RobotGuy: just pasted it with a few revisions. And the one I'm using right now is in my ~/embedded/arduino/ dir. |
| 18:17.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.pastebin.ca/1181754 |
| 18:18.02 | solar | so I hit ESC to get into Morse code mode. I type away. Hit ESC to get out of it. |
| 18:18.12 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:18.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not all the patterns are filled in as of yet |
| 18:22.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's gone. |
| 18:23.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what is? |
| 18:23.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The paste. My brain. Other stuff. |
| 18:23.52 | prpplague | i just opened it, it shows to be there |
| 18:23.57 | solar | the paste is still there |
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| 18:29.57 | prpplague | solar: http://www.pastebin.ca/1181810 |
| 18:30.11 | prpplague | solar: i only have A and a populated in the matrix, but you get the idea |
| 18:30.27 | RobotGuy | OK, got it, thanks. I had double pasted the URL into the adddress bar. |
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| 18:31.52 | prpplague | solar: oh, btw, can you repost a paste of your arduino build messages? |
| 18:34.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Bit maps for each element? |
| 18:35.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, cuts down on storage as well as processing |
| 18:35.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Agreed. |
| 18:47.42 | prpplague | solar: that one works alot better for me |
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| 19:04.10 | solar | prpplague: nice. Might want a QA check however. if (c >= 0 && c <= 127) in DoLetter() |
| 19:04.29 | prpplague | solar: ahh indeed |
| 19:05.04 | prpplague | solar: mind pastbin'n your arduino build messages for one of your projects? |
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| 19:06.56 | solar | sure let me pull it down and try it here |
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| 19:12.10 | solar | prpplague: http://rafb.net/p/okh74664.html (if you want the 'make clean all' I can post that also) |
| 19:13.24 | prpplague | solar: thats plenty thanks |
| 19:22.53 | prpplague | solar: hmm, was there another set of files for the tone() function? |
| 19:24.23 | solar | prpplague: yeah. Everything is in http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/arduino/playtone.pde |
| 19:24.32 | solar | playtone.pde Morse.c main.pde |
| 19:24.36 | solar | and makefile |
| 19:24.36 | prpplague | solar: ahhh |
| 19:24.49 | prpplague | solar: good deal, using morse.c as a test app |
| 19:25.35 | solar | cool. I'd like to grab the updated copy when you are done for a little more cleanup. I don't like the variable names currently or having a bunch of non structed int's for options |
| 19:25.48 | solar | lunch however. bbiaf |
| 19:26.35 | prpplague | will do |
| 19:26.51 | prpplague | hmm, you have a call for just tone() , but i only see "playTone()" |
| 19:53.10 | solar | prpplague: yeah i don't use the playtone.pde stuff in there. Only in pir_loop() when i detect motion the first time. |
| 19:53.25 | prpplague | solar: ahh yea, found it |
| 19:54.00 | solar | another bit of code I want to clean up a bit more |
| 19:54.18 | prpplague | solar: hmm, i'm still having problems with delay(), gotta look at that |
| 19:55.22 | solar | #define delay(x) usleep(10 * x); ? |
| 19:56.52 | prpplague | solar: my wiring.c file has the delay() function, but it doesn't seem to be getting into the compile |
| 20:04.59 | solar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.12 | solar | wish the ups guy would get it. I want to go home and play |
| 20:09.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:12.05 | solar | s/it/here/ |
| 20:12.18 | solar | thanks bot |
| 20:13.17 | solar | prpplague: hrmm you might know something about this. |
| 20:13.27 | solar | ever worked much with IR? |
| 20:13.54 | prpplague | yea, some, mostly for remote printing |
| 20:14.43 | solar | is it's pretty trivial to make a transmitter/recivier with a few IR leds and %s ? |
| 20:22.35 | prpplague | solar: yea, most people just purchase a set |
| 20:22.50 | prpplague | solar: or get some cheap device with a set and hack it out |
| 21:06.17 | prpplague | solar: so you hit escape, you are in morse mode, you type in characters from the serial interface, it does the sounds and sends back the morse code symbols back on the serial port, correct? |
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| 22:12.41 | solar | prpplague: yes. it also plays the tones. |
| 22:12.58 | solar | for me. But that was an addon from what that other guy was doing |
| 22:13.05 | solar | UPS is here. bbl |
| 22:56.49 | solar | embedded-santa came to visit :) |
| 23:05.58 | RobotGuy | Lucky you. |
| 23:06.01 | g1powermac | haha |
| 23:06.34 | g1powermac | we tend to dread the ups and fedex guys at the store, they usually bring lots of work for us ;-) |
| 23:06.58 | g1powermac | then if a freight truck comes, its never good ;-) |
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| 23:57.52 | joe_bleau | CosmicPenguin: Thanks for the PCEngines/ALIX pointer. Looks like I've got the go-ahead to get one in for testing. |