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| 00:05.42 | prpplague | boo |
| 00:05.48 | prpplague | solar ping |
| 00:06.32 | RobotGuy | oob |
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| 00:11.41 | prpplague | ds2 / roxfan / MonMotha i picked up another didj this afternoon |
| 00:11.54 | prpplague | ds2 / roxfan / MonMotha gonna try and grab the firmware |
| 00:12.16 | roxfan | cool |
| 00:12.17 | RobotGuy | watches intently.. |
| 00:12.26 | prpplague | try to find time tomorrow to do some jtag tests |
| 00:13.38 | prpplague | the kids seem to like the didj more than their DS |
| 00:13.44 | prpplague | atleast right now |
| 00:14.15 | RobotGuy | Maybe LeapFrog has something then. |
| 00:14.34 | RobotGuy | Heck, I'd like the Didj - it has Sonic. :) |
| 00:15.22 | RobotGuy | considers the possibility of a Hammered Didj. |
| 00:15.38 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, bah, I got a sega nomad running the original sonic ;-) |
| 00:16.02 | RobotGuy | You are such a purest.. |
| 00:16.07 | g1powermac | always :-) |
| 00:16.56 | g1powermac | speaking of purist. . .saigon cinnamon is much better than standard cinnamon. . . |
| 00:17.02 | g1powermac | yea, totally random ;-) |
| 00:17.50 | RobotGuy | I had Cinimonsation Frenched toast with Stuffed Hashbrowns, Sausage, Bacon, Ham, and two Scrambled Eggs. |
| 00:18.21 | g1powermac | hmm, minus all the animal products I may have had to taste that ;-) |
| 00:19.20 | g1powermac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saigon_Cinnamon |
| 00:20.39 | RobotGuy | I'm too full to look. |
| 00:21.26 | RobotGuy | Just the french toast would be to die for. |
| 00:21.46 | RobotGuy | And the stuffed hashbrowns. |
| 00:22.05 | RobotGuy | One of the servers bought me lunch. |
| 00:22.09 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 00:22.12 | g1powermac | kewl |
| 00:22.21 | RobotGuy | One thing worries me about that. The server was a guy. |
| 00:22.39 | RobotGuy | Well, he still is a guy actually, as far as I know. |
| 00:22.51 | g1powermac | hah |
| 00:22.56 | RobotGuy | I'm NOT doing an inspection though! |
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| 00:26.41 | prpplague | interesting, the didj shows up as a mass storage device |
| 00:26.56 | g1powermac | man, I love wikipedia |
| 00:27.42 | g1powermac | starts out looking up saigon cinnamon, then cinnamon itself, and then find a toxic chemical found in some varieties of cinnamon that we all prolly eat |
| 00:27.48 | roxfan | any eta on the firmware? |
| 00:28.19 | prpplague | its download the firmware now |
| 00:28.41 | prpplague | thing is i don't know where it will go on the windows pc or even if it will erase it after it has uploaded it |
| 00:28.49 | roxfan | hmm |
| 00:29.16 | roxfan | you don't have process explorer or filemon? |
| 00:30.15 | prpplague | you'll have to forgive me, it has been literally a decade since i used a windows box |
| 00:31.05 | roxfan | well, maybe it will be on the mass storage drive |
| 00:31.13 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coumarin |
| 00:31.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The things you resort to for the sake of embedded.. :D |
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| 00:35.11 | prpplague | uh this is weird |
| 00:35.34 | prpplague | there is a sniffer.txt file way way way down in the diji program dir |
| 00:35.51 | g1powermac | that is weird |
| 00:36.06 | solar | http://www.photobasement.com/pass-me-the-red-binder/ |
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| 00:36.48 | RobotGuy | kicks his internet |
| 00:37.25 | g1powermac | solar, hehe |
| 00:37.43 | RobotGuy | I want one of those red binders! |
| 00:37.56 | RobotGuy | Full please. :) |
| 00:38.32 | prpplague | http://pastebin.ca/1192100 |
| 00:39.19 | g1powermac | Qt. . .interesting |
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| 00:39.23 | roxfan | http://download.leapfrog.com/leapfrogconnect/PC/URLs.xml |
| 00:39.36 | solar | prpplague: pong |
| 00:40.51 | prpplague | solar hey |
| 00:40.58 | RobotGuy | If somebody said to you "icuraQt", would you slap them? |
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| 00:42.51 | RobotGuy | 6 hours to money time and it's pretty much already gone. :( |
| 00:42.54 | prpplague | roxfan interesting |
| 00:42.59 | prpplague | roxfan find any firmware? |
| 00:43.05 | roxfan | not yet |
| 00:43.24 | g1powermac | prpplague, I think the firmware maybe in UPCInstaller.exe |
| 00:43.28 | ds2 | prpplague: did you grab the USB ids? |
| 00:43.40 | g1powermac | http://download.leapfrog.com/leapfrogconnect/PC/UPCInstaller.exe |
| 00:44.02 | prpplague | ds2 not yet, gotta do a few things first |
| 00:46.27 | RobotGuy | SpeakEasy can't seem to get my internet fixed, even though I already told them what the problem probably is. |
| 00:48.45 | RobotGuy | In fact, I have told them several times. |
| 00:49.14 | roxfan | 23mb... looks about right |
| 00:49.20 | RobotGuy | The Best Buy buyout must be taking its toll. |
| 00:50.03 | roxfan | then maybe not |
| 00:50.14 | roxfan | xmk says "LeapFrog Connect Update" |
| 00:51.52 | roxfan | xml |
| 00:52.21 | g1powermac | hmm, you know, I looked up what xmk was and found this really interesting thing |
| 00:52.29 | g1powermac | http://www.shift-right.com/xmk/index.html |
| 00:52.31 | RobotGuy | wonders if Didj tries to connect with LeapFrog when it is connected to a PC. |
| 00:52.39 | g1powermac | a real time OS for 8 bit microcontrollers |
| 00:55.11 | prpplague | roxfan i think that is just the update for the connection utility |
| 00:55.31 | roxfan | yes |
| 00:56.52 | roxfan | ok i think i found something in the 80mb tmp file |
| 00:57.04 | roxfan | there's a cab file inside and a bunch of lfp files in it |
| 00:58.10 | roxfan | bootflags.jffs2 lightning-boot.bin lightning-boot.bin.md5 lightning-boot.md5 meta.inf packagefiles.md5 |
| 00:58.13 | roxfan | bingo? |
| 00:58.48 | roxfan | Name="Didj Device Bootstrap" |
| 00:58.59 | RobotGuy | Ooooooooooooooooh |
| 00:59.01 | roxfan | erootfs.jffs2 kernel.bin |
| 00:59.09 | roxfan | Name="Didj Device Firmware" |
| 00:59.13 | roxfan | man, it's so nice |
| 00:59.31 | roxfan | everything in separate files, no need to figure out the file formats :) |
| 00:59.31 | RobotGuy | Sounds like a jackpot! |
| 01:00.57 | roxfan | http://download.leapfrog.com/leapfrogconnect/PC/didj/DidjPlugin.exe <- i think this is it |
| 01:01.23 | roxfan | search for MSCF and extract starting from it into a .cab file |
| 01:01.39 | roxfan | inside there's a bunch of .lfp files which are zips |
| 01:01.42 | g1powermac | was thinking about the plugin exe |
| 01:02.19 | ds2 | Hmmmm JFFS2 AND kernel... Hmmmmmm |
| 01:03.10 | RobotGuy | What processors work better with NAND? |
| 01:03.11 | ds2 | don't suppose strings on kernel.bin returns anything interesting? |
| 01:03.14 | RobotGuy | Any? |
| 01:03.36 | ds2 | no processor works "better" with NAND... it just happens to be cheaper to use NAND |
| 01:03.43 | RobotGuy | Or do we know for sure it's TI? |
| 01:03.58 | RobotGuy | Aside from the "TI" on the chip. |
| 01:04.34 | roxfan | Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. |
| 01:04.45 | ds2 | h0h0h0h0h0 |
| 01:04.59 | ds2 | so, where is the source base? ;) |
| 01:05.45 | roxfan | mem=16M root=31:04 rw rootflags=noatime rootfstype=jffs2 init=/sbin/init console=ttyS0,115200 ubi.mtd=Brio ubi.mtd=prg_Brio ubi.mtd=Cartridge ubi.mtd=EXT ubi.mtd=prg_EXT |
| 01:06.12 | roxfan | armv5tej-s v5 ARM926EJ-S-LF1000 |
| 01:06.23 | ds2 | 16M... not bad.., still no clues on who made the proc |
| 01:06.33 | roxfan | lf1000_rtc_setalarm lf1000_rtc_readalarm |
| 01:06.41 | roxfan | i guess lf1000 is the cpu name |
| 01:06.57 | g1powermac | strange cpu name |
| 01:07.03 | ds2 | could the lf1000 be something form that Sun something company that made those rarely documented 8051's? |
| 01:07.23 | ds2 | think that company is making it for those import "game" emulators |
| 01:08.35 | roxfan | 2.6.20.1-leapfrog #2 Fri Jun 20 16:18:11 PDT 2008 |
| 01:08.55 | solar | hrmm whats this? |
| 01:09.19 | roxfan | build string i guess |
| 01:09.31 | solar | that is from the new leapfrong device? |
| 01:09.38 | roxfan | yes |
| 01:09.38 | roxfan | didj |
| 01:10.16 | roxfan | heh, busybox inside |
| 01:10.35 | solar | see sysctl there by chance? |
| 01:11.09 | roxfan | symlinked to busybox it seems |
| 01:11.23 | roxfan | (can't extract jffs2 atm so looking at the image) |
| 01:11.33 | solar | well then as the copyright owner of that. I'd sure like to see the firmware |
| 01:11.51 | roxfan | is busybox implementation yours? |
| 01:12.16 | ds2 | landley I think |
| 01:12.22 | solar | I work on the uclibc.org team. It's the same box. So yes |
| 01:12.28 | RobotGuy | He's one of them. |
| 01:12.39 | solar | he retired. But he is still a copyright holder |
| 01:13.08 | solar | retired only in the terms of him saying. I'm not going to commit to BB anymore cuz of BP |
| 01:13.15 | RobotGuy | This could be fun on so many levels. |
| 01:13.27 | solar | but oh the drama there. Don't ask him about that :p |
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| 01:20.05 | ds2 | BP? British Petro? |
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| 01:21.19 | prpplague | roxfan holy cow, are you serious? |
| 01:21.26 | prpplague | roxfan its running linux??? |
| 01:21.41 | roxfan | definitely looks like it |
| 01:21.52 | roxfan | unless they put kernel and fs there for giggles |
| 01:22.30 | roxfan | console should be available too |
| 01:22.43 | roxfan | so you could try looking for that |
| 01:23.24 | prpplague | LF-1000 i assume is for LeapFrog |
| 01:23.30 | RobotGuy | roxfan is a holy cow? |
| 01:23.56 | prpplague | i think we are going to have to get landley involved |
| 01:24.12 | RobotGuy | Or like "Holy Socks, Batman, that stinks"? |
| 01:24.24 | roxfan | let me see if i can figure out cpu id from the startup code |
| 01:25.12 | ds2 | is uboot on there? ;) |
| 01:25.32 | RobotGuy | We need Didj for everyone here. :D Not that I could do anything but play with it. :D |
| 01:26.52 | prpplague | reads the scroll back |
| 01:26.59 | roxfan | there is something named lightning-boot.bin |
| 01:27.03 | roxfan | it's very small |
| 01:27.09 | roxfan | 7K |
| 01:27.46 | ds2 | if this is showing up on the PC, there must be a way to get the board to start taking downloads |
| 01:28.57 | roxfan | it's probably something simple like putting those lfp files on the usb drive |
| 01:29.02 | prpplague | roxfan can you please document the procedure for getting the firmware and extracting the files |
| 01:29.11 | prpplague | roxfan on the wiki |
| 01:29.20 | prpplague | roxfan we need to doc this for SFLC |
| 01:29.26 | roxfan | uh i'm going to sleep very soon |
| 01:29.28 | ds2 | on the N800, there is a special protocol |
| 01:29.45 | roxfan | i outlined steps above... it's pretty simple |
| 01:29.49 | prpplague | roxfan can you email me the files your extracted? |
| 01:30.11 | roxfan | you can do it yourself with mscab or whatnot |
| 01:30.50 | RobotGuy | roxfan: me too please. |
| 01:30.57 | solar | heh. |
| 01:31.15 | RobotGuy | I've done a bit of file sifting in my time. |
| 01:31.42 | solar | heh more that you are busy working on your box. And how easy to side track you with fun things ;) |
| 01:32.08 | RobotGuy | solar: You not talking about me, are ya? |
| 01:32.37 | RobotGuy | My box is pretty worthless if I can't get X running on the new Gentoo setup. |
| 01:33.00 | prpplague | i can't believe this, the didj is running linux |
| 01:33.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right up your alley - embedded linux. :D |
| 01:34.02 | solar | roxfan: good work. |
| 01:34.09 | RobotGuy | And solar and a host of others. |
| 01:34.29 | solar | I had nothing to do with it. And I've got my snappers in a few other projects right now. |
| 01:34.53 | RobotGuy | solar: I meant that embedded Linux is right up your alley too. :p |
| 01:35.28 | RobotGuy | I'm trying to figure out how to switch my web hosting from my hoster to a VPS. |
| 01:35.37 | prpplague | roxfan indeed nice work, i just need to get jtag working so i can do a dump of the device as evidence |
| 01:36.16 | prpplague | roxfan you gonna email that stuff to me? |
| 01:36.30 | roxfan | no sorry, goint to sleep now |
| 01:36.47 | prpplague | roxfan tomorrow? |
| 01:36.53 | solar | If anybody else has a windows box. Can they attempt |
| 01:36.56 | solar | "roxfan> you can do it yourself with mscab or whatnot" |
| 01:37.48 | roxfan | cabextract is on unix |
| 01:37.51 | roxfan | zzz |
| 01:38.54 | prpplague | wonders where the cab file is |
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| 01:42.48 | solar | prpplague: I think he got it via the firmware updates |
| 01:43.05 | solar | question becomes. Are they signed updates |
| 01:43.28 | prpplague | yea, i'm downloading the updates now on windows box |
| 01:43.32 | solar | 2.6.20 points at uClinux |
| 01:43.33 | prpplague | see if i can extract it |
| 01:43.42 | prpplague | whys that? |
| 01:43.47 | solar | but it has a MMU of sorts right? |
| 01:44.07 | solar | 2.6.20 is not exactly new. uClinux is about the only place I see 2.4.x |
| 01:44.12 | prpplague | yea, based on what i'm seeing its full blown linux |
| 01:44.14 | solar | err that was 2.6.x or 2.4.x ? |
| 01:44.25 | solar | 2.4.20 is what I thought he said |
| 01:44.32 | solar | reads the scroll |
| 01:44.32 | prpplague | looks |
| 01:44.59 | solar | oh 2.6.x |
| 01:45.10 | solar | n/m then |
| 01:46.11 | prpplague | very few arm9tdmi's were made, almost everything is an arm92x |
| 01:48.16 | prpplague | wow if this is true, this is gonna be a big deal |
| 01:51.40 | solar | yeah |
| 01:55.40 | RobotGuy | solar: I have Windows, but need to fix the MBR on my Windows partition. I don't have the CD I installed from. |
| 01:56.03 | solar | so "Nope" sorry not me I can't help |
| 01:56.16 | RobotGuy | Yeah, unfortuantely. ;( |
| 01:56.42 | solar | me either. Last time I touched windows. Windows 98 was still new. And I had already been over/off windows for a few years. |
| 01:57.06 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping |
| 01:58.04 | RobotGuy | Somebody call Mr. Landley |
| 01:58.15 | prpplague | GPSFan pong |
| 01:58.18 | GPSFan | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/1192150 files from the erootfs.jffs2 |
| 01:58.20 | prpplague | one sec guys |
| 01:59.14 | solar | don't call rob. ppl poo on busybox/kernel copyrights everyday. |
| 01:59.34 | solar | BB and the kernel are the two most violated programs of all time. |
| 02:00.35 | solar | let the extraction process be done. Gather proof. We contact the that girl who handles our legal stuff. |
| 02:01.05 | ds2 | shouldn't someone go ask for the sources first before all the legal stuff? |
| 02:01.12 | solar | yes |
| 02:01.22 | ds2 | for all we know, they may just hand you a tarball or a CD and say good luck |
| 02:01.23 | solar | there is a prety formal process for this now |
| 02:01.51 | prpplague | yea, lets document it properly, then contact SFLC and let them handle the requests |
| 02:01.55 | solar | talked for about an hour about this topic at OSCON with the SFLC |
| 02:04.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: get the v1.2 tarbal from http://www.cabextract.org.uk/ extract it, run ./configure, run make, copy the bin somewhere convienent, ./cabextract -d test DidjPlugin.exe will put all the extracted files in the test directory. |
| 02:05.28 | prpplague | nice |
| 02:05.34 | GPSFan | then mount the rootfs.jffs2 somewhere convinent and do a ls -lR >files |
| 02:05.37 | prpplague | i'll have to do it in the morning |
| 02:05.49 | GPSFan | prpplague: this is documentation.. |
| 02:06.14 | prpplague | GPSFan can you do a strings on busybox and grep for Anders |
| 02:06.30 | prpplague | GPSFan that might be an older one |
| 02:06.30 | GPSFan | the .lpc files are just .zip files inside. |
| 02:07.26 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.26 | GPSFan | Erik Andersen, Rob Landley, and others. |
| 02:07.42 | solar | v1.12.0 wont have your name in strings. But that same string will match Erik Anders(son) |
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| 02:08.10 | prpplague | GPSFan but Anders didn't show up? |
| 02:08.19 | GPSFan | not Anders. |
| 02:08.39 | prpplague | GPSFan ahh ok |
| 02:09.05 | prpplague | GPSFan i'll have to get jtag running now so i can dump the flash |
| 02:09.18 | prpplague | i guess i could desolder the flash and put it on a breakout board |
| 02:09.23 | GPSFan | yeah, then you can see what they actually deployed. |
| 02:09.57 | prpplague | i can't image they'd include this stuff without actually using it |
| 02:10.08 | prpplague | it even has the "brio" as part of the kernel args |
| 02:10.20 | RobotGuy | Oh boy, 5435 down/90 up. :( |
| 02:10.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy ?? |
| 02:10.45 | RobotGuy | Internet - mine. :( |
| 02:10.50 | prpplague | oh |
| 02:10.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: the extracted rootfs is 13Mbytes |
| 02:12.39 | prpplague | we'll have do some checking and see if any of my copyrighted code is in there |
| 02:13.06 | prpplague | otherwise we'll have to get some folks that have copyright in the kernel and/or busybox as complaintants |
| 02:13.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: from looking at the rootfs it looks like someone knew what they were doing. as opposed to the Z2 folks. |
| 02:14.06 | prpplague | any left overs to point to a contractor ? i.e. montavista, windriver, e-con sys |
| 02:14.48 | prpplague | this so looks like a buildroot rootfs |
| 02:15.46 | RobotGuy | I did not build that rootfs. Hee hee |
| 02:16.09 | RobotGuy | Anyone contacted Mr. Landley yet? |
| 02:18.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy not until we have completed the documentation process |
| 02:18.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's got man pages for libpng, and strace, and a lot of test programs. |
| 02:18.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right |
| 02:19.43 | prpplague | GPSFan yea, really weird, they seemed to have left a bunch of debug stuff in the windows install too |
| 02:20.20 | GPSFan | their scripts seem to be well anc copiously commented |
| 02:20.26 | GPSFan | s/anc/and |
| 02:26.39 | prpplague | heads to bed |
| 02:27.02 | RobotGuy | Wow, it IS that late already. |
| 02:27.10 | prpplague | GPSFan thanks for the work, if you have time can you document it on the wiki? i have a Didj page already started |
| 02:28.15 | RobotGuy | If somebody has data but not time to document, I can do that. |
| 02:28.22 | RobotGuy | I'll look in the channel logs. |
| 02:29.12 | RobotGuy | Right now I have lots to do to transition from my webhoster to a VPS. |
| 02:29.49 | prpplague | for those in this channel follow the developments with the Didj, i'd like to ask some disgretion about making any accusations or statments until we have all the facts together |
| 02:30.10 | RobotGuy | I leave that to you and Mr. Landley |
| 02:30.14 | prpplague | read as - please don;t go posting on slashdot with wild statements about leapfrog |
| 02:31.49 | ds2 | is the rootfs.jffs2 image available somewhere? I can scan it for things I recogonize |
| 02:39.30 | prpplague_afk | btw, someone needs to grab the leapster2 firmware and check it too! |
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| 02:41.39 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: http://elinux.org/Didj |
| 02:42.31 | GPSFan | the How-to link gives the basics. |
| 02:43.32 | ds2 | ~ |
| 02:49.38 | shaz | Good morning fellas |
| 02:50.09 | RobotGuy | shaz: Hi |
| 02:59.04 | prpplague_afk | stops in one last time before bed |
| 02:59.07 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan nice |
| 02:59.24 | prpplague_afk | i need to see if can find the kernel in there tommorrow |
| 02:59.25 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: thanks, hope it helps |
| 02:59.38 | prpplague_afk | i need to find out if they using the physmap for flash |
| 02:59.42 | prpplague_afk | which i bet they are |
| 02:59.46 | GPSFan | the kernel is in the second .lfs |
| 02:59.56 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan ahh lovely |
| 03:00.03 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan i'll get that tomorrow |
| 03:00.20 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan if they are using physmap i have copyrighted material in there |
| 03:00.27 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan the power management portion of physmap |
| 03:00.44 | GPSFan | can you tell from the mtd devices? |
| 03:01.10 | solar | it's so hard to go to bed when you are a geek :p |
| 03:01.15 | prpplague_afk | not directly, they could have coded around it |
| 03:01.19 | prpplague_afk | solar indeed |
| 03:01.44 | solar | what TZ are ya? 10pm? |
| 03:01.45 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: roxfan said that it was 2.6.20 |
| 03:01.46 | RobotGuy | solar: Don't I know it! I have to take medicine so I can get to sleep every night. |
| 03:01.56 | prpplague_afk | solar yea, cst its 10pm |
| 03:02.17 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan yea, my code was in there at that time |
| 03:02.21 | solar | oh pfft. Ignore his *_afk. He is good for another 2 hours |
| 03:02.27 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: good deal.. |
| 03:02.34 | prpplague_afk | or until the wife calls |
| 03:02.45 | solar | duty. Nod. |
| 03:02.52 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan the real deal will be the bootlog |
| 03:03.29 | prpplague_afk | that will tell if they are using the physmap |
| 03:03.57 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: read all the update scripts, you may be able to have it copy the dmesg to a file, by hacking a cart. |
| 03:04.01 | prpplague_afk | i'll do some greps on some compiled kernels tomorrow and see if can find some markers |
| 03:04.24 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan yea, thats kind of what i was thinking |
| 03:07.05 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: the kernel is a uImage, That's compressed isn't it? |
| 03:08.37 | prpplague_afk | uImage is compressed but has markers for uboot |
| 03:10.33 | GPSFan | k |
| 03:11.21 | prpplague_afk | the header for a uImage contains some info about where it goes and the size |
| 03:12.06 | solar | what endian? etc..? |
| 03:12.35 | prpplague_afk | i'd have to look, not used it in a while |
| 03:12.42 | prpplague_afk | its mainly used with u-boot |
| 03:13.05 | prpplague_afk | hmm, thats weird, never seen that before |
| 03:13.22 | prpplague_afk | the tux on the http://www.google.com/linux page blinked it's eyes |
| 03:13.29 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: From one of the files: Every time the Didj handheld is connected, the LeapFrog Connect Application checks to see if the handheld needs to be updated |
| 03:13.56 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan interesting |
| 03:14.50 | GPSFan | that was in: Updates_and_repairs.html |
| 03:15.33 | prpplague_afk | sounds like they did alot of docs |
| 03:15.45 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: you need to get the GPL stuff figured out and go to work for those folks. |
| 03:16.00 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan hehe |
| 03:19.09 | prpplague_afk | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5085702347.html |
| 03:19.24 | prpplague_afk | that has a quick description of the header for uImage |
| 03:19.32 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: it is buildroot, I just found a "remnant" |
| 03:19.55 | GPSFan | it's also eabi |
| 03:20.44 | prpplague_afk | GPSFan lovely |
| 03:22.56 | GPSFan | look at the binary of /usr/sbin/nandtest |
| 03:23.22 | GPSFan | I know you cant' now but when you can;>) |
| 03:25.13 | prpplague_afk | makes a note for tomorrow |
| 03:27.57 | prpplague_afk | we need to pull down a copy of the leapster2 firmware as well, i suspect it is in violation as well |
| 03:28.20 | GPSFan | prpplague_afk: got a url? |
| 03:29.06 | prpplague_afk | http://download.leapfrog.com/leapfrogconnect/PC/URLs.xml |
| 03:29.11 | prpplague_afk | should be listed in there |
| 03:30.07 | GPSFan | that looks like xml trash to my firefox |
| 03:30.31 | prpplague_afk | i'll see i can find it in the morning |
| 03:30.36 | prpplague_afk | heads to bed for real |
| 03:30.43 | solar | Sure.. |
| 03:30.49 | solar | night prpplague |
| 03:31.16 | GPSFan | night... |
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| 07:27.46 | [AD]Turbo | hola |
| 07:29.58 | RobotGuy | aloh |
| 07:30.29 | RobotGuy | Does that qualify as a palindrome if it says the same thing in both directions? |
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| 13:07.14 | MothaWork | hum, so I see we have another Linux device in the wild |
| 13:07.47 | prpplague | MothaWork: indeed |
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| 13:12.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, so did ya figure out what proc is in the didj? |
| 13:13.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: not yet still working on it |
| 13:13.20 | g1powermac | k, seen there was definitely some progress last night with finding the kernel |
| 13:15.36 | RobotGuy | bebops in |
| 13:15.51 | MothaWork | is the mach-type number clueful at all? |
| 13:16.15 | MothaWork | sometimes people reuse one from a dev kit or pick a new random one near the dev kit that was unassigned when they did it |
| 13:25.52 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, haven't gotten that far yet |
| 13:25.57 | prpplague | MothaWork: just got into the office |
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| 13:36.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 13:37.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning |
| 13:38.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey, was trying your instructions on extracting the files |
| 13:39.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: cabextact -d test DidjPlugin.exe gives me an error saying that it is an invalid file |
| 13:39.49 | prpplague | "DidjPlugin.exe: no valid cabinets found" |
| 13:40.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: did i miss a step? |
| 13:40.23 | GPSFan | interesting, it sucked tehm all out for me. I wonder what's up with that? |
| 13:41.16 | GPSFan | maybe your download of the file got hosed, what it the file size? |
| 13:41.17 | prpplague | ahh, nm, the file doesn't appear to have downloaded the correct number of bytes, it is 20 off |
| 13:41.47 | GPSFan | -rw-r--r-- 1 kenm kenm 80024912 2008-09-02 19:38 DidjPlugin.exe |
| 13:42.37 | prpplague | yea, my bad, didn't even look |
| 13:42.44 | prpplague | guess i need some coffee |
| 13:42.57 | GPSFan | ah. or some beer ;>) |
| 13:45.13 | prpplague | indeed |
| 13:45.20 | prpplague | i'm soooo disappointed |
| 13:45.33 | prpplague | i was planning for a really good hack of the didj |
| 13:46.10 | prpplague | hehe, and i can't be part of any action against leapfrog as none of my copyrighted code is in use |
| 13:48.18 | prpplague | i wish landley would show up |
| 13:48.19 | GPSFan | prpplague: but you haven't proved it isnt yet? have you uncompressed the kernel yet and looked for markers for your stuf? |
| 13:48.40 | morrijr | prpplague: the PC side of it - windows only? |
| 13:49.15 | MothaWork | oddly, almost all devices out there that run Linux only talk with Windows hosts |
| 13:49.36 | prpplague | morrijr: linux kernel side, all my code is for nor flash, they are using nand |
| 13:49.43 | MothaWork | heck, the development side of many BSPs is hosted on Windows only (often just using cygwin!) |
| 13:49.47 | morrijr | MothaWork: I know :( just thought I'd ask. |
| 13:51.20 | morrijr | prpplague: think there will be a lawsuit to get leapfrog to release the code? |
| 13:51.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: you will just have to make some more kernel contributions that go into every arch. ;>) |
| 13:52.35 | prpplague | morrijr: my personal experience with mattel and fisher-price is that they will hold out untill the see a real threat of legal action |
| 13:53.15 | morrijr | prpplague: shame |
| 13:53.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 13:53.48 | prpplague | but atleast now we have SFLC, 5 years ago we didn't and mattel used to get away with alot of violations |
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| 14:18.11 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe there is a 520 byte "bad words" file |
| 14:18.52 | GPSFan | prpplague: wow, I thought that there were just 7. ;>) |
| 14:21.35 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: That is just wrong, on so many levels. |
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| 14:26.19 | MothaWork | RobotGuy: but surprisingly common |
| 14:26.37 | MothaWork | that's effectively how avr studio works, too |
| 14:26.43 | MothaWork | also the Xilinx EDK |
| 14:26.59 | MothaWork | hell, the Xilinx EDK has the "EDK shell" which is nothing more than a slightly skinned copy of bash running in cygwin |
| 14:27.10 | RobotGuy | No hack of the Didj? |
| 14:33.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what? |
| 14:33.52 | RobotGuy | I thought somebody said there wasn't going to be a hack of the Didj. |
| 14:39.14 | prpplague | not that i am aware of |
| 14:39.17 | prpplague | scans the log |
| 14:40.58 | prpplague | i don't see anyone saying that |
| 14:45.50 | RobotGuy | OK, I must have misread something then. |
| 14:46.02 | RobotGuy | I haven't slept yet. |
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| 15:07.59 | prpplague | hmm, should you be able to use zcat to extract a zImage? |
| 15:08.21 | solar | ya. it's the same thing as gzip -d < |
| 15:08.43 | solar | prpplague: sorry. No. Use bzcat |
| 15:09.24 | solar | one or the other. I should wake up before talking |
| 15:10.04 | RobotGuy | solar: That's no fun. :) |
| 15:10.25 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:10.43 | prpplague | solar: zcat and bzcat both report it isn't in a zip format |
| 15:11.50 | solar | what does file claim it is? file zImage |
| 15:13.50 | prpplague | yea, just reports as data, already checked that, must have an offset |
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| 15:17.03 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 15:17.56 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:18.00 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:19.03 | prpplague | solar: yea there was an offset |
| 15:21.40 | solar | usually. 512 bytes in or so. If not. One has to search for the start of the compressed header |
| 15:25.34 | prpplague | man they did a good job scrubing the kernel of all info about what type of process it is |
| 15:26.44 | MothaWork | prpplague: no symbols linking into mach specific code? |
| 15:27.01 | solar | should be. Want to post the zImage ? |
| 15:28.26 | prpplague | MothaWork: hadn't gotten that far yet |
| 15:29.38 | prpplague | http://filebin.ca/avkvr/testfile |
| 15:29.42 | prpplague | thats the Image file |
| 15:32.23 | solar | what offset did you find? I don't think this one has the start of the kernel image |
| 15:35.20 | prpplague | solar: dec 15876 |
| 15:35.29 | prpplague | solar: i'll post the zImage |
| 15:36.31 | prpplague | http://filebin.ca/oserka/zImage |
| 15:39.12 | solar | that does not seem quite right either. |
| 15:43.51 | prpplague | solar: what doesn't seem correct? |
| 15:44.51 | solar | identifying it. And geting it back to it's ELF counterpart of the vmlinux uncompressed file. |
| 15:45.02 | solar | I have a big old space waisting loop running |
| 15:49.00 | prpplague | solar: iirc, you can not get a vmlinux from a Image file |
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| 15:50.35 | solar | iirc. You can. It's just a matter of finding where the compressed data after the kernel header starts. I don't think it strips the ELF image down anymore. |
| 15:50.55 | solar | and the ELF structure is what tells us all about it's layout. |
| 15:51.59 | prpplague | ahh, that must have changed |
| 15:57.07 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 15:57.12 | purl | landley <n=landley@rrcs-97-77-177-71.sw.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 2d 20h 5m 25s ago, saying: 'The SFLC is pretty good at this... :)'. |
| 16:02.10 | prpplague | i was trying to look and see if there was a machine number they were using |
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| 16:08.07 | landley | waves. |
| 16:12.08 | solar | ahh. ppl have been looking for you landley |
| 16:13.11 | MothaWork | prpplague: should be able to grab the machine number from the bootloader in one way or another |
| 16:13.32 | landley | Have they? |
| 16:13.38 | MothaWork | landley: indeed they have |
| 16:13.54 | landley | I upgraded my laptop to kubuntu 8.04.1 at the same time I switched my cell phone provider. |
| 16:13.57 | MothaWork | prpplague had in fact just done a seen on you about 3 lines before you entered |
| 16:14.06 | landley | I've been kind of offline most of this week, as a result... :) |
| 16:14.20 | solar | wel lhang tight. You are going to love/hate this. |
| 16:14.22 | solar | well |
| 16:14.38 | MothaWork | indeed |
| 16:14.53 | MothaWork | consumer electronic device + linux = ? |
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| 16:25.26 | landley | solar: I'm going to love/hate what? |
| 16:25.36 | landley | MothaWork: fun? |
| 16:25.39 | prpplague | landley: the leapfrog issue |
| 16:25.44 | landley | prpplague: ah. |
| 16:25.52 | landley | Heard about that in another window. Not a big deal. |
| 16:25.58 | landley | The SFLC eats these kind of things for breakfast. |
| 16:26.23 | landley | And they're _still_ looking for somebody stupid enough to oppose them all the way through a judge handing down an actual ruling on GPLv2 enforcability. |
| 16:26.33 | landley | Nobody's been stupid enough for long enough yet... |
| 16:28.36 | solar | eh? This is the second+ time they have done this no? |
| 16:31.21 | prpplague | solar: i suspect that LeapFrog used linux with the leapster, but i could never prove it |
| 16:32.00 | solar | but the parent company is matell right? |
| 16:32.07 | MothaWork | it occurs to me that, given the people involved with the SFLC, if they think they have a case, you probably don't want to take it too far |
| 16:35.50 | prpplague | solar: no different company |
| 16:36.01 | prpplague | solar: mattel owns fisher-price |
| 16:36.29 | prpplague | landley: sent |
| 16:36.38 | prpplague | landley: please look over if you have time |
| 16:36.40 | kergoth`work | discovers the niftiness that is mind mapping |
| 16:37.29 | landley | Keep in mind that a parent company's left hand often doesn't know what its' right hand is doing. |
| 16:37.55 | prpplague | landley: indeed which is the attitude mattel has always taken |
| 16:38.06 | prpplague | landley: basically same condition as the verizon case |
| 16:38.58 | prpplague | solar: mattel/fisher-price have violated the GPL numberous times, just when they did it, the SFLC wasn't around at the time |
| 16:40.29 | landley | And now, the SFLC is. :) |
| 16:40.44 | landley | Cry ribbit, and let slip the frogs of war! |
| 16:41.13 | landley | Blacken the skies of Utah with Lawyers! |
| 16:41.18 | landley | No, wait, that was IBM in the SCO case... |
| 16:41.33 | CosmicPenguin | Thats okay, the skies in Utah are usually blackened |
| 16:41.45 | CosmicPenguin | lawyers, crickets.... |
| 16:41.47 | CosmicPenguin | its never ending |
| 16:42.26 | adyer | CosmicPenguin: air pollution, too |
| 16:43.16 | CosmicPenguin | much lead |
| 16:43.41 | adyer | CosmicPenguin: at least around Salt Lake City |
| 16:43.53 | CosmicPenguin | Kinnicott is one of the largest daily polluters in the united states |
| 16:45.47 | landley | Austin has the occasional plague of musical locusts. Er, crickets. |
| 16:46.11 | landley | It's only been the actual "why am I ankle deep in bugs???" level twice since I've been here, though. |
| 16:46.36 | landley | This year it's just "oh look, I can see a half-dozen very large crickets from where I'm sitting". |
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| 16:46.45 | landley | Some years it's "I can't see the _sidewalk_. Crickets!" |
| 16:46.45 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:47.15 | ds2 | prpplague: how much was the didj? |
| 16:47.28 | landley | Keep in mind that even when they settle, they get their expenses paid. |
| 16:47.35 | prpplague | ds2: $89 |
| 16:47.51 | prpplague | ds2: if you order online i have a 15% off code directly from leapfrog |
| 16:47.53 | landley | If they have to actually file a suit rather than being able to settle out of court, so far they've gotten money every time I've been paying attention. |
| 16:48.02 | ds2 | thought it was a $25 item |
| 16:48.15 | prpplague | ds2: this is fairly high end |
| 16:48.26 | prpplague | ds2: the leapster2 is $69 |
| 16:48.38 | ds2 | prpplague: but $89 comes close to something with better docs like say the hammer or a beagle |
| 16:48.41 | prpplague | ds2: i suspect it has the exact same hardware, just with less ram/flash |
| 16:49.08 | ds2 | I'll wait til they die and get it at clearance ;) |
| 16:49.13 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i wouldn't recommend it for just hobby stuff |
| 16:52.02 | g1powermac | landley, that reminds me of the cicada craziness we had here this past year |
| 16:52.26 | g1powermac | landley, the 13 year brood came out this past summer, they were everywhere |
| 16:53.00 | ds2 | sure it wasn't a lawyer's convention? ;) |
| 16:53.13 | g1powermac | ds2, not here in KY ;-) |
| 16:53.25 | g1powermac | maybe a hillbillie convention. . . |
| 16:54.16 | g1powermac | though I think its safe to say the gun shows here == hillbillie convention ;-) |
| 16:54.45 | landley | Eh, we've got gun shows here in Austin. |
| 16:54.51 | landley | It's not _just_ a hillbilly thing. |
| 16:54.56 | landley | There's libertarians too. |
| 16:55.18 | g1powermac | landley, yea, but there's other people in TX than hillbillies ;-) |
| 16:56.12 | g1powermac | prpplague knows how it is out here in KY :-) |
| 16:57.32 | prpplague | g1powermac: indeed |
| 16:58.41 | g1powermac | ok, this is bad, I can't stop buying these amazingly large lots of chips on ebay. . . |
| 16:59.02 | g1powermac | got 1000 sram and 360 flash chips on ebay for about $150 |
| 17:00.40 | g1powermac | 1000 pieces of IDT 71024S15Y, and 360 of AT49F002-70JC |
| 17:00.55 | g1powermac | I'll have enough sram and flash to last me till I'm dead ;-) |
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| 17:03.14 | landley | g1powermac: especially in Austin. I'm not sure Austin actually has any hillbillies. |
| 17:03.19 | landley | We have hippies, though. |
| 17:03.29 | adyer | g1powermac: hmm, 2mbit * 1000 for the flash ~= 1 2Gb NAND flash chip :-) |
| 17:04.07 | g1powermac | adyer, yea, but I can actually use these flash chips on a perf board using a plcc socket :-) |
| 17:04.56 | g1powermac | landley, ahh |
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| 17:08.16 | g1powermac | also got 140 mc68030s |
| 17:09.00 | MothaWork | why do you need 140 MC68030s? |
| 17:09.23 | RobotGuy | You guys are cracking me up! |
| 17:09.43 | g1powermac | it was part of the lot, plus I'm thinking of setting up a parallel computational system using the sram, flash, and m68ks |
| 17:09.47 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: Because he's additcted. |
| 17:10.07 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, too much so it seems ;-) |
| 17:10.35 | RobotGuy | sends g1powermac to Chips Anonymous for a nice "holiday" ;) |
| 17:10.36 | g1powermac | it'll be awhile yet before I head down that project though |
| 17:11.00 | g1powermac | I'd like to do this for some independent study credit/maybe master's thesis in college |
| 17:11.15 | MothaWork | g1powermac: you could set up a giant parallel system using all that and still not have the processing power of my Pentium II |
| 17:11.56 | g1powermac | MothaWork, thats prolly true, but it still lets me develop stuff on older tech which is easier to work with on the hardware sides of thing |
| 17:12.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Got a couple new toys today. |
| 17:12.26 | adyer | g1powermac: woohoo freescale says 18MIPS @ 50MHz for '030 |
| 17:12.45 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, cool, what ya get? |
| 17:12.57 | g1powermac | adyer, heh, and these are 25mhz 030s ;-) |
| 17:13.02 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Two shiny new linodes. |
| 17:13.32 | g1powermac | linode? |
| 17:13.45 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: http://www.linode.com |
| 17:14.03 | adyer | g1powermac: do yourself a favor and just simulate the system on a recent PC, it would probably be faster :-) |
| 17:14.07 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 17:14.32 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Got a 540 and a 720 (shared). |
| 17:15.02 | g1powermac | adyer, ehh, prolly, but I want a box to show off, dang it! ;-) |
| 17:15.09 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 17:15.40 | g1powermac | saying this here box has 140 processors is much more impressive than a simulation of 140 processors ;-) |
| 17:15.41 | prpplague | ds2: unless LeapFrog decides to do away with the Didj and Leapster2 , i expect them to be full retail price for a long time |
| 17:16.03 | prpplague | ds2: they didn't drop the price for the original leapster until last month |
| 17:16.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: The 540 is to replace my server here. The 720 is for Open Source stuffs. |
| 17:16.25 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, cool |
| 17:16.26 | prpplague | ds2: and its been on the market since 2002 |
| 17:17.44 | RobotGuy | LeapFrog is going to squeeze every, um bit, of well, green out of their stuff they can. |
| 17:18.26 | RobotGuy | However, they should never play leap frog with unicorns. :) |
| 17:18.28 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, heh, linode is based out of newark, nj, hope they got some armed guards with ak47s ;-) |
| 17:18.51 | g1powermac | or at least their one datacenter |
| 17:18.53 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hey, that's where my 540 is! :p |
| 17:19.09 | RobotGuy | Why is Newark bad? |
| 17:19.13 | g1powermac | Newark, is well, umm, you don't want to go to Newark ;-) |
| 17:19.31 | g1powermac | at least when I lived in NJ back 5 years ago |
| 17:19.34 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm, well, I only had two choices for data centers. |
| 17:20.26 | g1powermac | which is one reason why we moved out of NJ |
| 17:20.37 | g1powermac | the only halfway decent university in NJ is in Newark |
| 17:20.51 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: You haven't answered my question. :p |
| 17:20.53 | g1powermac | and I wasn't about to go their |
| 17:20.56 | g1powermac | *there |
| 17:21.11 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, guess ;-) |
| 17:21.27 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: A great big prison? |
| 17:21.44 | g1powermac | nah, invert the prison and you got Newark ;-) |
| 17:21.59 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Open Season? |
| 17:22.29 | g1powermac | more like the prison is for non criminals and everything outside it is well, criminals ;-) |
| 17:22.51 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Ooooh, that does not sound good at all. |
| 17:23.07 | g1powermac | ok, ok, it prolly isn't that bad, but I've sure heard some bad stuff |
| 17:23.26 | RobotGuy | makes not to NEVER go to Newark. |
| 17:23.31 | RobotGuy | *note |
| 17:23.42 | g1powermac | there's a few cities/towns you don't really want to go in NJ |
| 17:23.42 | RobotGuy | I must need sleep. |
| 17:23.54 | g1powermac | especially anything surrounding NYC or Philadelphia |
| 17:24.01 | RobotGuy | I'll just not go to NJ and that settles that. |
| 17:24.32 | g1powermac | especially don't go here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6555449/ |
| 17:24.56 | adyer | RobotGuy: there are some very nice parts of NJ, too, Newark isn't it, tho |
| 17:25.04 | g1powermac | adyer, yea |
| 17:25.29 | g1powermac | wow, on that site they list the top 10 most dangerous and 10 most safest cities |
| 17:25.42 | g1powermac | Brick Township, NJ made #2 on the safest |
| 17:25.42 | RobotGuy | I doubt I will be going to the East Coast after my experience in NC. |
| 17:25.46 | g1powermac | I lived there |
| 17:25.48 | RobotGuy | I mean SC |
| 17:25.55 | prpplague | hehe you can add more ram to the didj |
| 17:26.14 | kergoth`work | <Kog|Work> that's not the same thing as pair programming |
| 17:26.14 | kergoth`work | <Kog|Work> pair programming is where the worse developer uses the keyboard and the mentor hits them with a switch |
| 17:26.26 | g1powermac | and Dover Township made #10. . .we lived really close to their |
| 17:26.34 | g1powermac | travelled through that town all the time |
| 17:26.35 | prpplague | kergoth`work: hehe |
| 17:26.55 | RobotGuy | More RAM? <perk> |
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| 17:27.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: i removed the nand flash from the didj mainboard and did a dump |
| 17:27.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah, what did you find? |
| 17:27.22 | g1powermac | heh, amazing. . .never would think Brick would be #2 |
| 17:27.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: pretty much the exact same stuff as in the firmware update |
| 17:27.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: nothing yet that jumps out as different |
| 17:27.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: good |
| 17:28.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: i scanned the cd, but didn't find any mention of source/gpl, gonna have to do it one more time to be sure |
| 17:29.18 | GPSFan | prpplague: how do you add ram, via the cart? |
| 17:29.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: naw, didn't add any yet, just observing that the extra lines needed for additional sdram is brought out |
| 17:29.49 | GPSFan | ah, |
| 17:30.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: looks like you can add up to 64MB of sdram |
| 17:30.17 | GPSFan | that would make quite a nice box. |
| 17:30.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmmmm, facinating.. :D |
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| 17:30.49 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: A nice little hand held box. :) |
| 17:31.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: i think the biggest upgrade would be to replace the cartridge slot with something else |
| 17:31.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: how many pins go to the cart? |
| 17:31.23 | prpplague | maybe a sd card slot |
| 17:31.24 | g1powermac | GPSFan, oh, wanted to let you know I should be able to get the UPS labels to you next week I think |
| 17:31.34 | GPSFan | g1powermac: swell... |
| 17:31.43 | ds2 | prpplague: I'll see =) |
| 17:31.55 | g1powermac | GPSFan, it depends on when they reschedule my surgery |
| 17:31.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: 30 pins |
| 17:32.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: the cartidge is a nand flash device |
| 17:32.23 | GPSFan | g1powermac: ok, when ever you are ready. |
| 17:32.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i suspect they have the nand flash i/o plus a few interrupts and possible a uart |
| 17:33.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: you should de-lid the cpu. |
| 17:33.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: de-lid? |
| 17:33.40 | g1powermac | de-cap? |
| 17:33.52 | GPSFan | de-lid, de-cap..... remove the potting, |
| 17:34.06 | GPSFan | strip the chip down to the die. |
| 17:34.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: its a bga package, removed the cpu yesterday |
| 17:34.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh yea |
| 17:34.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i was thinking about using some full strength acetone |
| 17:34.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: see if it would melt that stuff off |
| 17:35.09 | GPSFan | you wil need H2SO4 or HNO3 |
| 17:35.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh, someone mentioned that it would need some acid |
| 17:35.47 | g1powermac | would love to try that one day. . .should take chemistry first though |
| 17:35.53 | prpplague | tries to remember his chemistry |
| 17:36.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats sulfuric and nitric acid? |
| 17:36.11 | g1powermac | have not taken any chemistry classes yet |
| 17:36.34 | GPSFan | depends on the plastic what works best, yes. |
| 17:38.00 | GPSFan | not something to be done without good ventilation, there was an article on hackaday a while ago about some guy that did sat tv hacking and took all sorts of chips apart. |
| 17:39.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh yea, seems like i remember that |
| 17:39.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll have to look it up |
| 17:39.38 | roxfan2 | prpplague: the machine id is 1235 which corresponds to something called zir2412 |
| 17:39.40 | prpplague | solar: you make any progress on extracting the vmlinux from the Image |
| 17:39.54 | prpplague | roxfan2: how the heck did you find that? |
| 17:40.13 | prpplague | roxfan2: if that is the case, that means it is s3c24xx based |
| 17:40.28 | roxfan2 | uh, it's in the kernel arch_whatever structure |
| 17:40.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: iirc fuming nitric acid works, but is a little tricky to handle. |
| 17:40.57 | prpplague | roxfan2: no i mean how did you find the number in the kernel image |
| 17:41.51 | RobotGuy | notices the comment about the s3c24xx.. |
| 17:41.52 | roxfan2 | and it's possible they just reused the id if they didn't want to bother submitting a new one |
| 17:42.10 | prpplague | roxfan2: yea, could have been that was the next id that wasn't used at the time |
| 17:42.38 | roxfan2 | http://pastebin.ca/1192744 |
| 17:42.44 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:43.17 | prpplague | ok i must have missed something |
| 17:43.24 | prpplague | roxfan2: how did you generate that data? |
| 17:43.30 | roxfan2 | ida pro |
| 17:43.31 | roxfan2 | <3 |
| 17:43.38 | roxfan2 | http://pastebin.ca/1192747 <- with proc_info |
| 17:43.46 | roxfan2 | well, it didn't name things by itself |
| 17:43.51 | roxfan2 | but i just followed the code |
| 17:44.46 | prpplague | roxfan2: oh ok, you just disassembled the image |
| 17:44.57 | roxfan2 | yep |
| 17:45.33 | prpplague | i had planned to do that this morning, but got caught up with some work |
| 17:45.42 | MothaWork | machine ID may have been picked before it was assigned to something else |
| 17:45.53 | prpplague | objdump doesn't make it as pretty as ida |
| 17:45.58 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea |
| 17:46.15 | MothaWork | 1235 is suspect. Could have been that an older product was 1234 (magic) and they just bumped it by 1 |
| 17:46.31 | MothaWork | and oh god is Ida nice |
| 17:46.38 | prpplague | checks the git repo for 2.6.20 |
| 17:46.40 | MothaWork | I've thought about buying a new version |
| 17:46.55 | MothaWork | If they'd port the GUI to Linux, I'd be all over the uber-pro versioj |
| 17:46.57 | MothaWork | *version |
| 17:47.18 | MothaWork | it's apparently a ARM926EJ-S, which at least gives you some info |
| 17:47.27 | roxfan2 | a bunch of device names: |
| 17:47.28 | roxfan2 | lf1000-audio lf1000-i2c lf1000-nand lf1000-power lf1000-rtc lf1000-dpc lf1000-mlc lf1000-adc lf1000-gpio lf1000-alvgpio lf1000-keypad lf1000-pwm lf1000-ga3d lf1000-idct lf1000-spi lf1000-dma lf1000-usbgadget |
| 17:47.53 | prpplague | roxfan2: yea i saw those, pretty much the entire class base |
| 17:48.45 | roxfan2 | idct is used in jpeg iirc... and i think freescale's imx chips have jpeg accel |
| 17:48.59 | solar | ARM926EJ-S.. Still got my money on it being an avr32 then.. |
| 17:49.43 | prpplague | 1235 was already assigned in 2.6.20 |
| 17:50.49 | prpplague | you'd have to go back as far as 2.6.16 for 1235 not to be assigned |
| 17:51.25 | chouimat|work | prpplague: marvell used a previously assigned number for the orion |
| 17:52.04 | prpplague | chouimat|work: was the previous was a similar device? i.e. another marvel cpu? |
| 17:52.11 | chouimat|work | no |
| 17:52.17 | chouimat|work | or i don't know |
| 17:53.12 | roxfan | looks like i/o ranges are in the area of 0xFCxxxxxx |
| 17:53.16 | roxfan | so probably not freescale |
| 17:54.06 | prpplague | doh i lied, i didn't have the correct tag selected |
| 17:54.17 | prpplague | roxfan: 1235 is ineed the next available number in 2.6.20 |
| 17:54.32 | MothaWork | solar: AVR32 != ARM926EJ-S |
| 17:54.40 | MothaWork | Atmel does make both, but they are different archs |
| 17:55.11 | prpplague | roxfan: that doesn't sound like samsung s3c stuff |
| 17:55.15 | MothaWork | I've also not heard of Atmel making any BGA smaller than 0.8mm pitch. They may be able to do it on a custom package option, but I'm guessing they don't have the tooling |
| 17:55.44 | MothaWork | I'm liking TI ATm |
| 17:55.54 | GPSFan | prpplague: is there a good picture of the cpu board with cpu on it? |
| 17:56.23 | prpplague | roxfan: is that a virtual or physical address? |
| 17:56.35 | adyer | arm926ej is licensed to everyone and their brother |
| 17:56.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: not at the momment i have the cpu pulled off one board, and i'm testing with the other |
| 17:56.42 | roxfan | i'm not sure |
| 17:56.46 | roxfan | could be virtual |
| 17:56.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll try to get some pics up in the next day or so |
| 17:56.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: k |
| 17:57.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: what kind of info did you need? |
| 17:58.13 | adyer | anything interesting if you run 'strings' on the kernel or bootloader? |
| 17:58.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: just a picture nothing special |
| 17:58.26 | prpplague | adyer: naw, pretty standard stuff |
| 17:58.34 | prpplague | adyer: nothing to give away the cpu type |
| 17:58.34 | MothaWork | yeehaw, work internet is running at 56k speeds |
| 17:58.38 | MothaWork | somebody is uploading and we have no QoS |
| 17:59.23 | prpplague | roxfan: a quick scan of some kernel code shows a number of arm devices us 0xfcxxxxxx for virtual address space |
| 17:59.58 | roxfan | hmm i'll try to find phys ranges then |
| 18:07.00 | adyer | prpplague: you said it was 0.65mm BGA, how many pins? |
| 18:07.22 | prpplague | adyer: 288 pins from count |
| 18:07.29 | prpplague | adyer: possible be 289 |
| 18:07.47 | prpplague | adyer: the center space is empty |
| 18:08.10 | prpplague | adyer: the pins are a ring 4 pins deep around the edge |
| 18:10.49 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:10.50 | adyer | prpplague: hmm, i.mx21 comes in a 289 0.65mm BGA, with 4 outer rows and a 7x7 ball center island |
| 18:11.05 | prpplague | adyer: yea, this has no center island |
| 18:11.27 | prpplague | adyer: objdump isn't disassembling my kernel image |
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| 18:14.14 | solar | MothaWork: really? I thought all of atmels AT/SAM line was ARM/avr32 based. |
| 18:16.12 | MothaWork | solar: they have two lines. They have the 91SAM line which has ARM7TDMI (SAM7 series), ARM920 (RM9200 and some less common friends) and ARM926EJ-S (SAM926x). They also have the AT32 line which is based on their proprietary AVR32 architecture. |
| 18:17.20 | MothaWork | AVR32 comes in the UC3 and AP7 flavors. UC3 is the smaller stuff with integrated flash. Targets markets you might find an ARM7TDMI or similar in. The AP7 series has limited internal memory but has MMU and can run full blown OSes like Linux. |
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| 18:18.22 | chouimat|work | and the avr32 is nice :) |
| 18:18.29 | MothaWork | AVR32 is pretty neat |
| 18:18.37 | MothaWork | low power and good at "multimedia" in software |
| 18:18.46 | MothaWork | lots of en/decode friendly instructions |
| 18:19.06 | MothaWork | AVR32 is basically a mix of a DSP with a conventional CPU |
| 18:19.16 | solar | thanks for helping to clear that up.. the product offerings by them are rather a lot. |
| 18:19.24 | MothaWork | yeah, Atmel makes a lot of stuff |
| 18:19.36 | MothaWork | though their product catalog can't compare with the likes of TI or Freescale |
| 18:19.50 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: I have the stk100 and the ngw100 |
| 18:19.57 | chouimat|work | eerr stk1000 |
| 18:20.07 | MothaWork | yeah, I don't have a STK1000 |
| 18:20.15 | MothaWork | trying to find a use for AVR32 at work so I can get a free one :) |
| 18:20.26 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 18:20.51 | MothaWork | we're reasonable size users of Atmel stuff here, so the local rep likes to give things to us :) |
| 18:21.14 | MothaWork | We're fans of their 802.15.4 radios |
| 18:21.45 | MothaWork | their micros can be a bit quirky, but they seem to work well |
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| 18:24.28 | MothaWork | Atmel micros are what have gotten me asking sales reps hawking new processors the question "so, does your SPI controller work?" |
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| 18:57.09 | adyer | prpplague: kill two birds with one stone http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/3/f/3ff337fa74577a672f74c0f52ddea4bc@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=&rating=99 |
| 18:57.37 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:58.02 | prpplague | holy freakin cow |
| 19:00.04 | prpplague | adyer: so mr.anders, what kind of qualifications do you have? well i hacked your latest product in less 7 days |
| 19:00.19 | chouimat|work | hehe |
| 19:00.26 | prpplague | (granted i had lots of help from #edev) |
| 19:00.53 | prpplague | adyer: that is just too wild |
| 19:02.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: mind what I said yesterday. oh oh they want a C++ code sample... ;>) |
| 19:02.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe |
| 19:02.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, not gonna move to CA |
| 19:04.04 | roxfan | 7 days? wasn't it more like 2? :) |
| 19:04.16 | GPSFan | just north of oakland, there are worse places... |
| 19:04.38 | prpplague | roxfan: well i worked on it starting friday evening |
| 19:04.50 | prpplague | roxfan: but didn't do anything with it for sunday and monday |
| 19:05.00 | roxfan | i see |
| 19:05.10 | prpplague | roxfan: so techincally its probably more like 3 days all together |
| 19:05.33 | prpplague | roxfan: your discovery of the firmware was a big step |
| 19:05.45 | roxfan | :) |
| 19:05.45 | prpplague | roxfan: i would have found it today when i removed the nand flash |
| 19:05.52 | prpplague | roxfan: nice job |
| 19:06.42 | prpplague | looks like they are having a bunch of troubles getting software out the door ontime |
| 19:06.48 | solar | wants nothing to do with oakland.. Only DC outside of fra that I've not been too |
| 19:07.04 | adyer | prpplague: the telling thing is they have their own asic group, I suspect the part is at best semi-custom |
| 19:07.34 | prpplague | yea, that is my guess as well, they did something similiar with the original leapster |
| 19:08.47 | MothaWork | if they do their own ASICs, it could well be their own design entirely. ARM926EJ-S cores are readily licensable and it is a synthesizable core |
| 19:09.01 | GPSFan | looks like they are looking for a few people http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=300&FRMT=0&eid=36677 |
| 19:09.36 | prpplague | MothaWork: indeed |
| 19:09.42 | adyer | MothaWork: I would bet it's mostly amba bus blocks bought & stitched together |
| 19:09.44 | chouimat|work | prpplague: which cpu based on the ARM926EJ-S they are using? |
| 19:09.52 | CosmicPenguin | That linux firmware gig sounds like its our cup of tea |
| 19:09.53 | MothaWork | adyer: likely. That's how many SoC ASICs are made |
| 19:10.08 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: that's what we don't know |
| 19:10.20 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: could potentially be a custom SoC |
| 19:10.23 | prpplague | wonder if they just fired everyone and started over? |
| 19:10.35 | prpplague | chouimat|work: that is just it, we don't know |
| 19:10.41 | prpplague | chouimat|work: it appears to be custom |
| 19:10.59 | chouimat|work | prpplague: i see |
| 19:11.00 | MothaWork | could just be an off-catalog part from e.g. Freescale or TI, or it could be their own part |
| 19:11.26 | chouimat|work | would be laughing if it was a marvell orion :) |
| 19:11.29 | CosmicPenguin | The could also be buying the IP and fabbing their own pat |
| 19:11.31 | CosmicPenguin | part |
| 19:11.35 | MothaWork | might be a combination. They have the volume to ask those types of people to put together pieces |
| 19:12.02 | MothaWork | I say tear the part down. The die probably has some sort of evidence on it :) |
| 19:12.04 | prpplague | in the past the processors they used with IP from a company called arctec, iirc |
| 19:12.08 | prpplague | checks his notes |
| 19:12.31 | CosmicPenguin | I know a certain company that sells IP for a multimedia decoder |
| 19:12.51 | roxfan | hmm looks like the phys io ranges are 0xC000xxxx |
| 19:13.10 | prpplague | http://www.arc.com/ |
| 19:13.19 | MothaWork | roxfan: well, then it's not Atmel :) |
| 19:13.29 | MothaWork | they put their stuff in 0xFFFxxxxx |
| 19:13.45 | roxfan | yes, and not freescale |
| 19:13.56 | roxfan | and not samsung i think... |
| 19:15.43 | prpplague | yea that space isn't used on the samsung s3c series |
| 19:16.19 | prpplague | greps the kernel |
| 19:16.22 | chouimat|work | not orion and kirkwood |
| 19:16.46 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: how the hell do you keep the Marvell parts straight? They have so many even our sales rep seems to have trouble remembering them all. |
| 19:18.13 | prpplague | here is something interesting, that corresponds the the memory location on the lh7a4xx series |
| 19:18.25 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: I'm only dealing with 88F5XXX and 88F6XXX which are cpu, |
| 19:18.32 | adyer | MothaWork: since they wont sell many of them to small shops, it's pretty easy :-) |
| 19:18.58 | *** part/#edev adyer (n=adyer@adsl-69-223-13-78.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 19:20.16 | RobotGuy | wonders if there will ever be a good under $200.00 s3c2440/2450 board |
| 19:21.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 2450 will never be available |
| 19:22.02 | RobotGuy | wonders if there will ever be a good under $200.00 s3c2440 board |
| 19:22.06 | RobotGuy | There. :P |
| 19:23.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you should really qualify "good" as my idea of good varies greatly from yours |
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| 19:26.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: All I/O easily accessible (no funky connectors[tm]), at least 64MB or 128 MB RAM, and 64 MB Flash, stuff like I2C, I2S, SPI on separate headers, all UARTs on headers. |
| 19:26.54 | RobotGuy | Camera interface brought out to a separate header. |
| 19:27.26 | RobotGuy | Full speed SD/MMC card slot. |
| 19:27.32 | RobotGuy | That's the basics. ;0 |
| 19:28.27 | RobotGuy | is probably forgetting something. |
| 19:32.51 | roxfan | prpplague: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1192926 |
| 19:40.20 | roxfan | + rtc irq =0x1f |
| 19:42.45 | prpplague | roxfan: nice |
| 19:43.37 | prpplague | interesting |
| 19:43.44 | roxfan | well, you can probably get all that info once you find the console... |
| 19:43.48 | prpplague | this might be a neomagic chipset |
| 19:44.05 | prpplague | roxfan: yea, looking for the uart now |
| 19:47.05 | prpplague | hmm.... |
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| 19:47.11 | prpplague | looks at the MiMagic6 |
| 19:49.55 | prpplague | hmm lots of neomagic documents on google marked "confidential" |
| 19:50.28 | MothaWork | I see that sort of thing happen all the time |
| 19:50.56 | CosmicPenguin | people forget to pull off confidential |
| 19:51.07 | CosmicPenguin | you will see a lot of our documents say propriatary |
| 19:51.12 | CosmicPenguin | apparently confidental != propriatary |
| 19:51.13 | CosmicPenguin | who knew? |
| 19:51.33 | MothaWork | well, people also slap "confidential" on things that are INTENDED to be distributed |
| 19:51.34 | MothaWork | I don't understand it |
| 19:54.01 | CosmicPenguin | We asked the lawyer one time |
| 19:54.04 | CosmicPenguin | the answer hurt my brain |
| 19:57.20 | prpplague | hey hey, i think we found it |
| 19:58.03 | MothaWork | oh? |
| 19:58.50 | prpplague | looks like it might be the philips PNX0105 |
| 19:59.46 | prpplague | or variation of |
| 20:02.55 | prpplague | yea, this screams philips/nxp |
| 20:05.08 | RobotGuy | Do we know if this can be reprogrammed with a custom image yet? |
| 20:06.06 | prpplague | of course it can, since they update the firmware |
| 20:07.46 | RobotGuy | Of course they can, so we can too? |
| 20:11.22 | prpplague | why would we not? |
| 20:14.00 | RobotGuy | OK. |
| 20:15.47 | prpplague | man nxp's site is terrible |
| 20:20.50 | MothaWork | yes, it is |
| 20:20.54 | prpplague | hmm, this really looks like a nxp/philips chip |
| 20:20.58 | MothaWork | totally unneeded AJAX |
| 20:21.20 | prpplague | MothaWork: the bga stuff is laid out in similar fashion |
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| 20:37.27 | MothaWork | that's a pretty good indicator, then |
| 20:37.45 | MothaWork | the pad assignments are usually determined by the locations of the interconnects between the die and lead frame |
| 20:38.21 | MothaWork | so if it's a slightly modified part based off of something else, then that would leave most of the interconnects the same and just move a few |
| 20:42.04 | prpplague | there is almost no info on these chips |
| 20:42.11 | prpplague | there seem to be two lines |
| 20:42.24 | prpplague | the pnx4008/4009 and the pnx0105/0106 |
| 20:43.20 | sunrunner20 | wow |
| 20:43.24 | sunrunner20 | this just blows |
| 20:44.13 | sunrunner20 | this connector has 5 pins, I wasn't able to get one of them working, spec sheet said it was unimportant |
| 20:44.35 | sunrunner20 | turns out |
| 20:44.38 | sunrunner20 | it was critical |
| 20:44.40 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 20:44.45 | sunrunner20 | now my frinds mom is gonna be pissed |
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| 20:47.11 | prpplague | ok, i'm betting that this is a pnx0105 variation |
| 20:52.59 | roxfan | for uk guys: http://www.metro.co.uk/gimme/article.html?Win_a_Sony_Reader&in_article_id=290369&in_page_id=4 |
| 20:53.00 | roxfan | :) |
| 20:57.48 | L_Deluxe | roxfan: I know the answer to the question (where the quote is from), but it appears that one must register with metro.co.uk to enter. |
| 20:58.08 | L_Deluxe | Homey don't play dat. |
| 20:58.29 | roxfan | could be... i don't live in uk so i can't enter |
| 20:58.42 | roxfan | and i already have one anyway :) |
| 20:59.30 | L_Deluxe | I don't. Nor a Kindle. And I'm guessing it's going to stay that way for awhile. ;) I'm not in the uk, either. |
| 20:59.58 | L_Deluxe | And now I see where you specified that above. |
| 21:01.28 | roxfan | could be a nice embedded project for someone... since it runs linux |
| 21:04.20 | L_Deluxe | Somebody used a first gen Sony reader as a donor for their Kindle with a broken screen. The displays are connector-compatible. The mounting bracket, however, required quite a bit of dremeling and never fit quite right. |
| 21:04.58 | L_Deluxe | Not that that's a particularly good use for a new reader. |
| 21:18.35 | kergoth`work | really likes his sony reader, but still wishes the handling of pdfs was better... guess he needs a laptop/netbook for the technical docs |
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| 21:23.26 | roxfan | kergoth: did you update the firmware? |
| 21:23.44 | roxfan | if you've got 505 |
| 21:30.45 | prpplague | hehe, at&t just called to "warn" me about suspicious phone calls outside the country from my home phone |
| 21:31.47 | prpplague | my god, why would anyone want to talk to someone outside of the USA |
| 21:32.25 | landley | Anybody here seen google's chrome browser thingy yet? |
| 21:32.33 | landley | The comic book they did is pretty darn cool. |
| 21:32.34 | landley | http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome |
| 21:32.52 | prpplague | landley: not i |
| 21:32.56 | prpplague | landley: been too busy |
| 21:33.50 | landley | They wrote a comic book explaining its design. |
| 21:34.02 | prpplague | thats pretty interesting |
| 21:34.13 | landley | Nutshell: each page is a separate process. (not thread, _process_.) They have a "tab manager" that collates 'em at a gui level. |
| 21:34.17 | kergoth`work | landley: was trying it out last night, pretty sweet, wipes the floor with ff when it comes to performance, for me at least. switching tabs and stuff is very responsive. but lacking extensions and a few other quirks will have me using ff for most things for a while, and chrome for specific pages using its application shortcuts |
| 21:34.23 | landley | When you exit a tab, you kill the process and free its resources. |
| 21:34.33 | kergoth`work | had forgotten how much the web sucks without adblock |
| 21:34.40 | landley | It's an early beta with lots of stuff missing, of course. |
| 21:34.50 | kergoth`work | yeah, very nice when you consider that |
| 21:34.55 | landley | But the design ISN'T STUPID, which puts it ahead of both mozilla and konqueror, really. |
| 21:35.00 | kergoth`work | indeed |
| 21:35.09 | kergoth`work | the task manager kicks ass |
| 21:35.58 | prpplague | yea FF seems to be a memory hog on my system |
| 21:36.16 | landley | Keep in mind that FF is reinventing half of the OS's wheel, especially on the memory management front. |
| 21:36.24 | landley | I like the design of the new thingy. It's simple. |
| 21:36.32 | landley | Let the OS do memory management, get out of its way... |
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| 21:37.15 | prpplague | landley: did you look over the email i sent to sflc ? |
| 21:37.29 | landley | Glanced at it. |
| 21:37.38 | landley | They should have enough info to go on. |
| 21:37.51 | prpplague | thats what i was wondering, if i provided enough info |
| 21:37.53 | landley | They're over on #conservancy if you wanted to ping 'em with faster turnaround time. FYI. |
| 21:38.49 | prpplague | not nessary, just wanted to make sure they realize i'm not a crackpot(atleast with regards to this) |
| 21:40.38 | landley | You're good. :) |
| 21:41.15 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 21:42.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy-AFK: http://www.armkits.com/Product/SBC2440-III.asp |
| 21:45.26 | landley | Here we go: http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved |
| 21:52.35 | MonMotha | realy, I just want a non-sucky browser :) |
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| 21:54.03 | roxfan | opera \o/ |
| 21:56.30 | Madsy | Opera is slow, Firefox is unstable (with flash installed) and MSIE is full of security holes. |
| 21:56.41 | Madsy | Take your pick. |
| 21:56.55 | roxfan | opera is slow? o.O |
| 21:57.34 | Madsy | It is here. And it has issues with javascript. A lot of Google applications won't work in Opera. |
| 21:58.07 | Madsy | Google Analytics to name one. |
| 21:58.16 | CosmicPenguin | Geeze, I wonder why |
| 21:59.00 | Madsy | CosmicPenguin: Want to fill me in? :> |
| 21:59.12 | Madsy | Because I do wonder why |
| 21:59.38 | CosmicPenguin | because google clearly has a reason to marginalize opera? |
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| 22:05.29 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: how did you wind up involved in OLPC? |
| 22:06.25 | prpplague | Ian_Daniher: his employer gave him an offer he could not refuse |
| 22:06.52 | Ian_Daniher | prpplague: ?? |
| 22:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | OLPC uses Linux an Geode |
| 22:07.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin works for AMD |
| 22:07.18 | CosmicPenguin | And if you wanted Linux and Geode, then I was your guy |
| 22:07.19 | CosmicPenguin | still am |
| 22:07.43 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: ah, cool |
| 22:08.28 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: were you in #olpc-devel when I was discussing the unused gpios on the XO? |
| 22:08.40 | CosmicPenguin | That doesn't sound familiar |
| 22:09.02 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: there're two GPIOs dedicated to the unused vga connector |
| 22:09.14 | CosmicPenguin | yes there are |
| 22:09.29 | Ian_Daniher | According to the Geode datasheet, they have an alternative function as a second USART |
| 22:09.57 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 22:10.08 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: do you know how I might go about implementing it? |
| 22:10.23 | CosmicPenguin | implementing the second uart? |
| 22:10.36 | Ian_Daniher | yeah, as /dev/ttyS1 |
| 22:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | well, the first problem is that lines don't actually end up at the vga connector any more |
| 22:11.04 | CosmicPenguin | most of the components have been depopulated |
| 22:11.05 | kergoth`work | http://develop-one.net/blog/2008/08/27/HugADeveloper.aspx |
| 22:11.23 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: I know - I'd need to bridge two pads with solder |
| 22:12.09 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: I have decent solder skills and a huge surplus of XO motherboards, so I'm willing to try |
| 22:12.57 | Ian_Daniher | runs the OLPCinci XO repair and parts distribution center - up until a week ago, the only way to get parts was via disassembling RMA'ed units |
| 22:13.53 | CosmicPenguin | okay, once you get that, then you'll need to find yourself a TTL converter |
| 22:14.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what voltage level? |
| 22:14.11 | CosmicPenguin | 3.3v |
| 22:15.37 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: I have a SFE fet-based shifter, an official OLPC usb-serial-ttl dongle, and a handful of MAX3233 shifters, so I'm fairly set with regards to voltage level |
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| 22:17.09 | Ian_Daniher | btw, if anyone wants an XO motherboard subassembly(including case, antenna, camera, and mic), PM me and we'll talk |
| 22:17.38 | CosmicPenguin | once you have the hardware side setup |
| 22:17.50 | CosmicPenguin | then there are just a few register settings |
| 22:17.53 | CosmicPenguin | and you are there |
| 22:17.59 | Ian_Daniher | how would I set those registers? |
| 22:18.26 | CosmicPenguin | in your olpc.fth would probably be the best place |
| 22:18.37 | Ian_Daniher | I have just started learning C, specifically as it pertains to AVRs, and have never written something low-level for x86 |
| 22:18.46 | CosmicPenguin | you could also do it early in the kernel |
| 22:19.00 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: my olpc.fth is found in /boot? |
| 22:19.06 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 22:19.08 | Ian_Daniher | I'll tree | grep when I get back home |
| 22:19.17 | Ian_Daniher | ok, that *sounds* simple enough |
| 22:19.40 | Ian_Daniher | ok, I have to run - thanks for your help CosmicPenguin |
| 22:20.07 | CosmicPenguin | when you get ready, ping me and I'll send you the registers |
| 22:20.30 | Ian_Daniher | :D |
| 22:20.32 | Ian_Daniher | thanks! |
| 22:20.35 | Ian_Daniher | will bbl8r |
| 22:26.09 | CosmicPenguin | poor guy - if he just started writing C, this is going to be a crash course |
| 22:34.25 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: I learned to program C by hacking on the Linux kernel |
| 22:34.33 | MonMotha | sure as hell teaches you what NOT to do fairly quickly |
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| 23:06.31 | prpplague | solar are we having fun yet? |
| 23:13.51 | solar | prpplague: not today at my end of the world. Been kinda a stressful day. |
| 23:13.53 | Ian_Daniher | what's the technical difference between a UART and a USART? |
| 23:14.08 | solar | prpplague; but I see you guys have made some progress towards the didj. |
| 23:15.15 | roxfan | can someone upload extracted rootfs? i want to look into firmware update process |
| 23:16.39 | prpplague | roxfan i'm nore where i can do that at the momment, but do you want the jffs2 or a tarball with the contents? |
| 23:16.57 | roxfan | i have the jffs2 :) |
| 23:17.04 | prpplague | i'm kind of hesistant to post the entire rootfs |
| 23:17.13 | prpplague | roxfan not able to mount it on your box? |
| 23:17.50 | prpplague | solar yea, slow progress |
| 23:18.00 | roxfan | well i do have a linux in vm but it doesn't have all the necessary modules... |
| 23:18.01 | prpplague | solar i'm ready to try jtag again tomorrow |
| 23:18.07 | prpplague | roxfan ahh |
| 23:18.39 | Ian_Daniher | CosmicPenguin: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Motherboard, if you haven't seen it already |
| 23:18.49 | prpplague | roxfan i'll see do an image of all the stuff i know for 100% is GPL |
| 23:19.02 | Ian_Daniher | Richard Smith or Jim Gettys annoted an image of a MP XO motherboard |
| 23:19.14 | roxfan | is there a single debian package or something i can install? |
| 23:19.18 | prpplague | roxfan the dealings with leapfrog are going to be touchy, i don't want to do anything that makes it worse |
| 23:20.02 | solar | prpplague: thanks. I think it's great they opted to use linux/bb. Hopefully they will comply with the GPL-2 and all will be good. |
| 23:20.21 | prpplague | solar indeed |
| 23:20.28 | solar | vs pulling the product off the shelf. |
| 23:20.41 | prpplague | solar i did some initial board layout tests today |
| 23:20.41 | solar | cuz it's one heck of a good deal it sounds like for all it offers. |
| 23:20.56 | solar | yeah? |
| 23:21.03 | roxfan | if they planned to i think they would at least have mentioned somewhere that it runs linux |
| 23:21.05 | prpplague | solar you see adyer found that leapfrog had postings on dice.com |
| 23:22.00 | prpplague | solar yea i think i have a neat way to kill two birds with one stone for the main board |
| 23:22.15 | solar | Santa Clara, CA (opening up the street from us) |
| 23:22.26 | solar | you know you want to live near all the cool kids. |
| 23:22.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:22.38 | prpplague | http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=300&FRMT=0&eid=36677 |
| 23:22.57 | prpplague | so they know they are using linux |
| 23:24.31 | solar | makes one wonder how many of the other products use linux like this. |
| 23:24.56 | prpplague | solar indeed, which is why i'm freaky about buying this stuff and hacking it |
| 23:25.00 | prpplague | solar http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=300&FRMT=0&eid=36677 |
| 23:25.00 | roxfan | no luck with uart? |
| 23:25.03 | prpplague | oops |
| 23:25.12 | prpplague | solar http://www.elinux.org/Image:Basepcb.jpg |
| 23:25.29 | prpplague | solar see how the pcb in altoid case has the corners cut at 45 degress? |
| 23:26.51 | solar | yeah. So you actually need that much space? |
| 23:27.19 | prpplague | solar that one is cut a little loose, but you see how they'd need to be cut in order to fit in the altoid case? |
| 23:27.46 | solar | figured you would of probably made the board itself a rectangle of 87mm/Length or so.. |
| 23:27.52 | solar | prpplague: but yeah I see it. |
| 23:28.42 | prpplague | solar ok so, you wanted some screw holes for mounting, the screw holes will go on the corners of the board, and the 45degree angle will be scored |
| 23:28.54 | prpplague | solar so you can either mount it on something with screw holes |
| 23:29.03 | prpplague | solar or snap of the corners and put it in an altoid tine |
| 23:29.05 | prpplague | tin |
| 23:29.25 | prpplague | solar thoughts? |
| 23:29.51 | CosmicPenguin | lunar dreams |
| 23:30.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin ?? |
| 23:31.24 | prpplague | solar that feature work for you? |
| 23:32.33 | solar | it should. The suggested method for ppl using a non plastic case will then become.. 'We suggest putting electrical tape on the bottom of the can to avoid shortages' |
| 23:32.45 | solar | cuz not being able to mount it. Would leave metal on metal |
| 23:33.05 | solar | vs being able to raise of up a few hairs. Rubber feet could solve that as well |
| 23:34.20 | prpplague | indeed, here is the deal, on the bottom side of the main board, i'll have component free zones in the four or 5 rubber feet |
| 23:35.00 | prpplague | that way you can place it in the tin without shorting out anything |
| 23:35.20 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I got that. :p |
| 23:35.25 | CosmicPenguin | thank you |
| 23:35.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy explain it to me |
| 23:36.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: "solar thoughts" and CosmicPenguin: "lunar dreams" solar vs lunar sun vs moon |
| 23:36.13 | prpplague | solar in addition i should be able to have atleast two places where the pcb can be soldered to the side of the tin, locking it in place |
| 23:36.19 | RobotGuy | thoughs vs dreams |
| 23:36.21 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:36.30 | RobotGuy | thoughts |
| 23:36.38 | roxfan | we need to have a stand-alon jffs2 extractor like there's one for cramfs... |
| 23:37.05 | prpplague | roxfan yea, that would be a handy util for hacking |
| 23:37.28 | RobotGuy | Not bad for just waking up, eh? |
| 23:38.27 | roxfan | can i build a module without downloading the complete kernel source? |
| 23:38.29 | solar | heh. I did not get that joke right away about lunar dreams. |
| 23:38.40 | prpplague | solar the altoid can is right at 55mm x 90mm but if you make the pcb rectangle with 90 degree corners it won't fit into the tin because the corners have a radius |
| 23:39.16 | solar | yeah. How much has the board grown already vs the existing m3950? |
| 23:39.21 | g1powermac | comes back after seeing the surgeon |
| 23:39.29 | solar | 9530 or whatever it's numeric code was |
| 23:40.38 | prpplague | solar hehe, only about 8mm on one length and 6 on the other |
| 23:40.53 | prpplague | but it fills up the entire area of the tin |
| 23:41.05 | g1powermac | prpplague, so did ya finally figure out what proc is in the didj? |
| 23:41.34 | prpplague | g1powermac not yet, but i'm suspecting it is a philips/nxp chipset |
| 23:41.39 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 23:41.45 | solar | prpplague: hrmm. I not opposed to break away tabs. |
| 23:42.00 | g1powermac | prpplague, hah, I love the job opening at leap frog, you should apply ;-) |
| 23:44.09 | prpplague | g1powermac indeed someone at the office said that |
| 23:44.37 | CosmicPenguin | your boss? :) |
| 23:44.38 | prpplague | anyone have comments about the break away corners? |
| 23:44.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin hehe |
| 23:47.43 | roxfan | just add a file to the package |
| 23:47.51 | roxfan | "use if board doesn't fit" |
| 23:47.59 | prpplague | roxfan hehe |
| 23:48.21 | prpplague | roxfan no need for the screw holes if you are putting it in the altoid case |
| 23:49.33 | g1powermac | roxfan, nah, should be a little dremel included in the package ;-) |
| 23:50.06 | prpplague | darn, i thought that was cool, idea |
| 23:50.45 | g1powermac | prpplague, breakaway tabs are neat, little dremels are neater though ;-) |
| 23:50.53 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/images/products/Spartan3EEvalBoard-01-L.jpg |
| 23:51.12 | roxfan | file would be cheaper |
| 23:51.23 | roxfan | and nerds need excersise anyway :) |
| 23:51.26 | prpplague | i'll have the the corners nibbled similiar to that board |
| 23:51.32 | g1powermac | roxfan, definitely true, but we're hackers dang it, we need dremels! ;-) |
| 23:53.44 | g1powermac | prpplague, hmm, forgot about that xilinx board from sparkfun |
| 23:54.44 | roxfan | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8824 cute |
| 23:55.12 | RobotGuy | has a Dremel.. |
| 23:55.23 | RobotGuy | Be affraid.. Be very affraid.. :) |
| 23:55.47 | g1powermac | has a dremel. . .though its not his favorite tool of destruction. . . |
| 23:56.07 | g1powermac | brings out his reciprocating saw with 12" wood/metal blade. . .bwahahahahaha |
| 23:56.39 | RobotGuy | I can't theoretically do as much damage with a Dremel. |
| 23:56.42 | g1powermac | takes out one of RobotGuy's walls for the fun of it ;-) |
| 23:57.01 | g1powermac | man i love demolition |
| 23:57.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: You really have me worried sometimes, son.. :p |
| 23:57.18 | g1powermac | heheh |
| 23:57.38 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, you haven't seen me use a sledge hammer yet ;-) |
| 23:58.39 | RobotGuy | My idea of a sledge hammer obviously does not match yours.. :p |
