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| 00:21.59 | ds2 | hey prpplague, if you are around... are there any additional patches needed to enable the USB functions? I didn't see any pin config code for things like slave enable GPIO |
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| 00:39.08 | shaz | Good morning |
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| 00:46.08 | prpplague | ho ho ho. merry freakin friday |
| 00:46.11 | landley | waves at prpplague |
| 00:46.17 | prpplague | landley hey bud |
| 00:51.54 | ds2 | hey prpplague |
| 00:52.12 | prpplague | ds2 greetings |
| 00:53.06 | ds2 | prpplague: is there a seperate patch to enable the USB stuff? the stock code doesn't seem to know about the ngadget enable line |
| 00:53.53 | prpplague | ds2 the gadget enable line is only needed if you are using the standard carrier board |
| 00:54.12 | ds2 | prpplague: eh? the schematics for the nail carrier show that |
| 00:54.28 | ds2 | U6, nUSB_SLAVE_EN |
| 00:54.35 | prpplague | ds2 http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software_System#Kernel |
| 00:54.52 | prpplague | ds2 yea the nail has it as well |
| 00:55.03 | ds2 | ah the udc patch..that's what i don't have |
| 00:56.09 | prpplague | ds2 pretty simple patch, should be able to apply it by hand to newier kernels if needed |
| 00:57.13 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod*... I am just sanity checking the code to make sure there isn't stuff I don't have is really not there |
| 00:57.37 | ds2 | prpplague: btw, the hack for the button screen is not very scalable :/ |
| 00:57.58 | prpplague | ds2 what? |
| 00:58.22 | ds2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.43 | prpplague | ds2 yes i know, that was just an example item we used for early testing |
| 00:58.51 | prpplague | ds2 it isn't in the mainline kernel |
| 00:59.09 | ds2 | prpplague: I know. it came in from the hammer patch |
| 00:59.28 | ds2 | easier, IMO, to tell people to write code based around something like evtest.c |
| 00:59.56 | prpplague | ds2 yea, like i said it was just an early test to see how we could make it easier on non-linux people |
| 01:00.33 | ds2 | prpplague: yeah, I understand why |
| 01:02.41 | prpplague | ds2 now we understand that they mostly want stuff like the arduino wiring/process language |
| 01:02.55 | ds2 | prpplague: that is unfortunate |
| 01:03.35 | prpplague | hmm, i kept smelling something stinky, just realized its my socks :( |
| 01:06.48 | prpplague | landley i am pretty disappointed about the leapfrog didj, i was hope'n for a really challenging hack |
| 01:11.25 | landley | Hopefully they'll settle quickly. :) |
| 01:12.10 | prpplague | yea, that doesn't help me, i've got nothing to hack now :( |
| 01:12.24 | prpplague | hehe gonna have to go back to toys-r-us and see what i can find to hack on |
| 01:12.28 | g1powermac | prpplague, you figured out the didj completely now? |
| 01:12.33 | landley | ok :) |
| 01:12.37 | prpplague | g1powermac pretty close |
| 01:12.50 | prpplague | g1powermac jtag is talking, i think i've found a uart |
| 01:12.56 | g1powermac | nice |
| 01:13.06 | prpplague | g1powermac i was able to flash a custom image using their kernel |
| 01:13.15 | g1powermac | well, you could always help figure out usb device on the zipit2 :-) |
| 01:13.24 | g1powermac | still haven't been able to get that to work right |
| 01:13.44 | g1powermac | ahh, very nice |
| 01:13.48 | prpplague | landley leapfrog in the past has had wonderfully obfuscated hardware |
| 01:14.00 | prpplague | landley the Mt.Everest of hardware hacking |
| 01:14.18 | prpplague | which is why i was surprised at the level of hackability of this device |
| 01:15.00 | ds2 | they are getting senile in their old age? ;) |
| 01:15.13 | prpplague | must be |
| 01:15.43 | prpplague | i'm guessing either their entire dev team quit or they fired them, since nearly every position on the dev team is posted as an open job |
| 01:16.01 | g1powermac | hmm, thats interesting |
| 01:16.20 | g1powermac | makes you wonder why they'd fire all in one shot |
| 01:16.52 | ds2 | prpplague: where are they located? |
| 01:18.56 | prpplague | ds2 bay area |
| 01:19.08 | ds2 | guess it could be either way |
| 01:19.39 | ds2 | if they were based in say.. Mississippi... it would be hard to imagine an entire team suddenly quitting |
| 01:20.15 | joe_bleau | Did you notice the cutebit Didj reference? |
| 01:20.21 | prpplague | well judging from the linkedin listings, i'd guess they had a departure of staff around march of this year |
| 01:20.42 | ds2 | hmmm people are being too smart with linked in |
| 01:20.56 | ds2 | makes a note to be careful with linkedin profile info |
| 01:23.14 | prpplague | yea, from what i see all the new hires were about 4 months ago |
| 01:24.04 | prpplague | ds2 i'm freaky about finding information |
| 01:24.31 | ds2 | if you can find all that... |
| 01:27.32 | joe_bleau | Didj: touchscreen or no? |
| 01:29.07 | prpplague | no |
| 01:29.26 | joe_bleau | Better deal (bang for buck): Didj or Z2? |
| 01:30.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau Better deal (bang for buck): Scewdriver or Hammer? |
| 01:31.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau all depends on what you want to do |
| 01:33.09 | joe_bleau | At first glance, the device specs look pretty similar, whereas a screwdriver and hammer aren't. |
| 01:36.56 | g1powermac | meh, I've used a screwdriver like a hammer before, and vice versa, just depends on how creative you are ;-) |
| 01:37.20 | g1powermac | of course if you have a large enough hammer, you don't need any other tools ;-) |
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| 01:39.12 | joe_bleau | prpplague: had you heard of cozybit before? |
| 01:56.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau cozybit? |
| 01:56.36 | joe_bleau | Yeah, the guys that put linux on the Didj. |
| 01:56.36 | prpplague | joe_bleau the zipit has 802.11 though |
| 01:56.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau the didj doesn't |
| 01:56.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau so for the cost, the zipit2 gets you more hardware |
| 02:03.23 | landley | is happy that the t-mobile cellphone internet actually works if you hit it hard enough. |
| 02:03.31 | landley | Too bad the actual phone part doesn't, so much. |
| 02:03.58 | prpplague | landley you finally got that working? |
| 02:04.05 | landley | mirell did. |
| 02:04.22 | landley | It gets about 50k/second, downhill with a tailwind. |
| 02:04.26 | landley | Pretty nice, really. |
| 02:04.37 | prpplague | that must be lovely for you |
| 02:04.43 | landley | Latency's under a second. (Not by all that much, but still.) |
| 02:04.48 | prpplague | now you don't have to beg borrow steal net access, hehe |
| 02:04.58 | landley | I certainly enjoyed it this morning. Got to use the net from Einstein's. |
| 02:05.07 | landley | I could even watch youtube. |
| 02:05.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:10.56 | prpplague | joe_bleau where did you see something about cozybit and didj? |
| 02:11.38 | joe_bleau | On the interweb tubes. I added it to the wiki. |
| 02:12.11 | prpplague | goes and looks |
| 02:14.53 | prpplague | very interesting |
| 02:15.13 | prpplague | wonder why that never turned up in my searches |
| 02:15.28 | joe_bleau | prpplague bows to my google-foo! |
| 02:15.46 | joe_bleau | Kinda fits with the staff turnover that you've uncovered, doesn't it? |
| 02:16.51 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:18.20 | prpplague | joe_bleau what doesn't make sense, these guys seem pretty professional, why would they not advise leapfrog of their responsibily under GPL? |
| 02:18.36 | joe_bleau | Who says they didn't? |
| 02:18.50 | joe_bleau | Might ask 'em. ;-) |
| 02:19.55 | prpplague | i think i will |
| 02:19.56 | landley | prpplague: this might explain why the engineers left... |
| 02:20.27 | joe_bleau | Reverse engineering the dev team is almost as much fun as RE'ing the device, huh? |
| 02:21.56 | prpplague | not really |
| 02:22.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: they include a copy of the GPL in the "Additional Third Party Notices for LeapFrog Connect Application" of http://www.leapfrog.com/en/corplinks/legal.html |
| 02:22.09 | prpplague | had more fun with the device |
| 02:22.31 | prpplague | hmm, i hadn't seen that one |
| 02:22.34 | prpplague | looks |
| 02:22.49 | GPSFan | it's a .doc/pdf |
| 02:23.37 | GPSFan | doesn't talk about busybox or any of the gpl userland stuff just some libs they linked with and the kernel. which they provide a handy url for. |
| 02:24.08 | prpplague | oh i love how the link is blank and no mention of busybox |
| 02:24.35 | joe_bleau | Precious. |
| 02:25.07 | joe_bleau | pdf created back in june, so they've had time to update it. |
| 02:25.20 | GPSFan | maybe after the great "escape" those that were left didn't have a clue. |
| 02:26.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: look at the last part of this: http://www.leapfrog.com/en/corplinks/legal/leapfrog_com_terms/other_legal_information.html |
| 02:27.45 | prpplague | none of the urls for the source list seem active |
| 02:29.17 | joe_bleau | I wonder if the copyright infringement stuff is to cover potential forum abuse. |
| 02:30.04 | prpplague | probably |
| 02:31.37 | prpplague | nice work guys |
| 02:32.17 | joe_bleau | Indeed. You've made a jtag connection? |
| 02:33.31 | prpplague | yea, if i have time tomorrow going to see if i can do some work with it |
| 02:34.20 | prpplague | ok so leapfrog knows they have to release the code, they just haven't done a good job of it |
| 02:34.40 | joe_bleau | Don't you have a loose CPU? I'm still thinking Flylogic decap. |
| 02:35.17 | prpplague | yea i have a loose cpu, but sending it out to someone is cheating |
| 02:35.34 | prpplague | besides, we should have the kernel source soon enough |
| 02:37.45 | solar | are you able to put the flash back on and upload a new image to it? |
| 02:39.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: how much ram? |
| 02:40.35 | prpplague | 32MB |
| 02:41.02 | GPSFan | sees that the wiki was updated with that very info... ;>P |
| 02:42.21 | prpplague | solar yea, i did a custom build of the image and was able to upload it |
| 02:42.27 | prpplague | solar so it works |
| 02:42.47 | prpplague | i'm hoping i can get the jtag up so i can get access to more info |
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| 02:44.13 | solar | did you get a shell on it to look around at the /proc && /sys files? |
| 02:45.44 | prpplague | yea i got a framebuffer console, but i've not located a uart yet |
| 02:46.56 | prpplague | solar only a few buttons on the panel so its hard to do anything with the console |
| 02:47.13 | kergoth | haha, http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/contest_cory_do.html |
| 02:48.14 | prpplague | interesting |
| 02:49.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: in the .jpg of the didj on the wiki they got the question wrong.... the answer being "42" which is ofcourse the answer to the ultimate question! |
| 02:50.12 | prpplague | i wonder if that was a geek joke added in there |
| 02:51.30 | GPSFan | i'd bet so. |
| 02:52.11 | prpplague | boy, i doubt too many companies with embedded devices stand a chance long against the #edev crew, hehe |
| 02:53.29 | GPSFan | what would be cool is if you answered the multiplication 6 x 9 + with 42, that it branched off into a HHGG screen, or started reciting Vogon poetry... |
| 02:53.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:54.04 | prpplague | that would be a nice egg |
| 02:55.10 | kergoth | hmm, i havent read hhgg in too long |
| 02:55.13 | kergoth | should fix that |
| 02:56.05 | prpplague | lordy lordy, i have a ton of work to do tomorrow |
| 02:56.48 | prpplague | ds2 beagle jtag hacking in the morning |
| 02:56.55 | prpplague | ds2 didj jtag in the afternoon |
| 02:57.21 | prpplague | wife jtag at night .... |
| 03:01.07 | GPSFan | btw 6 (base 13) x 9 (base 13) = 42(base 13) or so I'm told. |
| 03:02.33 | landley | base 13 |
| 03:02.45 | landley | Ah, beat me to it. (Was in other window.) |
| 03:04.51 | landley | prpplague: your wife comes equipped with a jtag? |
| 03:04.57 | landley | Do I really want to know? |
| 03:12.32 | ds2 | prpplague: hahahahaha |
| 03:13.38 | ds2 | real gdb against the kernel with jtag is so much nicer then kgdb over anything against the kernel |
| 03:16.09 | landley | ds2: gdb plugs into qemu. |
| 03:16.40 | landley | I have yet to figure out how to hook gdb up to the nail board, but I can't say I've tried since CELF. |
| 03:17.32 | ds2 | landley: qemu doesn't emulate all the IO.. I mostly work on the IOs |
| 03:17.44 | landley | shrugs. |
| 03:19.26 | ds2 | i mostly work on the IO drivers |
| 03:24.57 | prpplague | landley if only she came with jtag, sometimes jtag would be a great help to find out whats going on inside that head |
| 03:26.47 | landley | Ok, I'm going to instruct you to make your own joke about bit twiddling here. |
| 03:26.49 | landley | I'm staying out of it. |
| 03:26.53 | prpplague | ds2 gotta get the TAPR up and running tomorrow |
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| 15:49.47 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 16:01.53 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Howdu |
| 16:01.59 | RobotGuy | Howdy too |
| 16:02.20 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, got myself a new blog: http://g1powermac.com/ :-) |
| 16:02.42 | RobotGuy | CooL! I still have to set my stuff up on my new VPS. |
| 16:09.58 | RobotGuy | I haven't been well - went to the ER last night. |
| 16:10.05 | g1powermac | oh not fun |
| 16:10.14 | RobotGuy | Noop |
| 16:11.01 | solar | morn * |
| 16:16.54 | RobotGuy | Mornin' |
| 16:20.43 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Was having real sharp chest pains - stabbing type, several in succession. |
| 16:21.00 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, oh, not good |
| 16:21.36 | g1powermac | though possibly not heart related, that could actually be a form of acid reflux issues with your stomach |
| 16:21.53 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Of course, nothing came up in tests. I've got a heart monitor on me until tomorrw. |
| 16:22.12 | g1powermac | thats good |
| 16:22.18 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I have acid reflux, and have medicine for it. |
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| 16:22.30 | g1powermac | how sharp of pains? like stabbing kind of pain? |
| 16:22.59 | RobotGuy | Stabbing, intense, not long lasting, but several in succession, 5 or more. |
| 16:23.25 | g1powermac | where on the chest? |
| 16:23.43 | RobotGuy | The diagnosis was real helpful - atypical chest pain. In chest. |
| 16:23.54 | RobotGuy | Center to right side of chest. |
| 16:24.20 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 17:47.57 | sunrunner20 | unhelpfull |
| 17:48.00 | sunrunner20 | but it sounds accurate |
| 17:49.17 | sunrunner20 | the human body will respond with pain if some area isn't getting the right amount of air |
| 17:49.21 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 17:49.21 | sunrunner20 | O2 |
| 17:50.06 | sunrunner20 | whats messed up |
| 17:50.09 | sunrunner20 | is my heart |
| 17:50.28 | sunrunner20 | is as lazy as I am, it takes breaks occationally :) |
| 17:52.53 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 17:53.00 | sunrunner20 | its a premature contraction |
| 17:53.04 | sunrunner20 | not a skiped beat lol |
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| 22:08.13 | RobotGuy | Maybe he took one of his Cosmic breaks. |
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