| 00:06.30 | ds2 | DOH was it reworkable stuff (non BGA package)? |
| 00:09.16 | ds2 | polymide tape is such a useful thing |
| 00:10.33 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:38.44 | prpplague | anyone here have a bdi2000 ? |
| 00:39.03 | GPSFan | prpplague: tomw does |
| 00:45.27 | solar | prpplague: jtag making the head hurt? Feel free to switch efforts to the btusbavr128 |
| 00:45.35 | solar | wink :) |
| 00:46.03 | solar | so I'm a slacker. I got your arduino but I did not get it shipped off today. |
| 00:47.28 | prpplague | solar already spent about 2 hours on it today |
| 00:47.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:47.36 | prpplague | solar np |
| 00:48.45 | g1powermac | GPSFan, I got to get those ups labels to you. . . |
| 00:49.13 | g1powermac | hmm, not going to be easy right now before the surgery |
| 00:49.31 | g1powermac | parents got my working like crazy to make up the time I'm going to be out |
| 00:50.16 | GPSFan | g1powermac: you need one of these to dig your post holes. http://imagebin.ca/view/uU4FDU.html |
| 00:50.26 | solar | RobotGuy was having a spinal tap today. Hope that went ok |
| 00:50.35 | g1powermac | GPSFan, hahahah, now thats awesome |
| 00:50.52 | g1powermac | GPSFan, though I was thinking of 1/4 sticks of dynamite, though the neighbors might complain ;-) |
| 00:51.11 | solar | g1powermac: you still have not had yours? Still can't eat real food? |
| 00:51.18 | GPSFan | g1powermac: yeah it is made by Belltec, and digs a real nice hole even through rocks. |
| 00:51.34 | g1powermac | solar, nope, not yet, had to postpone the surgery for a few weeks |
| 00:51.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac: when is your surgery? |
| 00:52.10 | g1powermac | I should know thursday after I see the cardiologist just to make sure my heart issue isn't going to cause a problem with the surgery |
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| 00:57.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau hey joe whadda ya know? |
| 00:58.20 | g1powermac | ahh man, I'm going to have lots of plants for the early spring |
| 00:58.34 | g1powermac | GPSFan, I'm planting just about every berry that can grow out here |
| 00:59.30 | joe_bleau | Tryin' to buy a car, fighting production problems (obsolete parts) at work, slow PWB layout issues, waitin' on an FAE, etc. The usual. |
| 00:59.32 | prpplague | dingleberry too? |
| 00:59.51 | prpplague | joe_bleau fun fun |
| 00:59.59 | g1powermac | prpplague, your father smelled of elderberries! |
| 01:00.33 | g1powermac | wonders if prpplague knows that line :-) |
| 01:01.07 | prpplague | seems like thats from a dragonlance or some such |
| 01:01.24 | g1powermac | actually, Monty Python and the Holy Grail |
| 01:01.30 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:01.42 | g1powermac | fully line: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries! :-) |
| 01:01.43 | prpplague | been awhile since i watch any MP |
| 01:01.45 | g1powermac | *full |
| 01:02.27 | prpplague | grumbles at TI's document restrictions |
| 01:02.29 | g1powermac | we actually had an employee that came close to memorizing the entire movie |
| 01:02.54 | g1powermac | it was quite scary, he'd randomly quote lines from the movie in full british accent |
| 01:03.20 | prpplague | g1powermac i have one up on you |
| 01:03.37 | dbtid | howdy |
| 01:03.45 | dbtid | can someone give me a couple minutes of git help? |
| 01:03.50 | dbtid | i'd really like to get on with my life :) |
| 01:03.57 | g1powermac | use cvs instead? |
| 01:04.01 | dbtid | lol |
| 01:04.02 | g1powermac | ducks ;-) |
| 01:04.04 | dbtid | not an options |
| 01:04.12 | prpplague | at one of the grocery stores in barbados, emerald city to be exact, so music from the movie grease came on the speakers and people started singing and dancing to it, right there in the store |
| 01:04.17 | dbtid | i tried 'git pull' and it says i have a merge conflict. |
| 01:04.21 | prpplague | s/so/some |
| 01:04.22 | dbtid | how do i resolve the merge conflict? |
| 01:04.41 | g1powermac | prpplague, hehe |
| 01:04.55 | prpplague | dbtid a man who carries a cat by it's tail learns something in a way that no man can teach him |
| 01:05.19 | dbtid | yes, but when the man is tired, often taking out a gun to shoot the cat is more effective. |
| 01:05.24 | g1powermac | dbtid, or vicious dog. . .this here puppy mine is a friekin biter |
| 01:05.29 | prpplague | g1powermac i'm dead serious, i thought i was in a musical movie |
| 01:05.46 | g1powermac | puppy teeth are like needles |
| 01:05.57 | prpplague | points to dijenerate |
| 01:06.07 | g1powermac | prpplague, hehehe |
| 01:06.08 | prpplague | dijenerate can attest |
| 01:06.30 | prpplague | g1powermac there are two things that are music related in barbados that are totally weird |
| 01:06.46 | prpplague | g1powermac 1) EVERYONE knows all the songs in Grease |
| 01:07.23 | prpplague | g1powermac 2) Dolly Parton's (and kenny rogers)christmas music is the #1 music played during christmas |
| 01:07.35 | g1powermac | oh dear |
| 01:07.57 | g1powermac | you brought up kenny rogers. . .my father looks exactly like the madtv kenny rogers |
| 01:07.58 | prpplague | totally weird |
| 01:08.06 | prpplague | g1powermac hehe |
| 01:08.17 | g1powermac | especially in the morning, his hair is insane |
| 01:08.39 | g1powermac | its absolutely scary :-) |
| 01:08.46 | prpplague | hmm, i can make this icepick stuff work using the bdi2000 config, but darn if i know what it is doing, i really need that datasheet |
| 01:09.15 | g1powermac | prpplague, I put kenny rogers music up on the store's radio system just because of it ;-) |
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| 01:09.26 | prpplague | g1powermac hehe |
| 01:09.51 | g1powermac | and everytime it plays I scream, "Its Kenny Rogers!" just like the madtv guy ;-) |
| 01:10.20 | prpplague | g1powermac "a hard candy christmas" and "you made it a christmas to remember" are the ones they play |
| 01:10.30 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 01:12.50 | g1powermac | hmm, wonder if its as bad as what they do up here, entire radio stations will play christmas music non-stop for the month of december up here |
| 01:14.00 | g1powermac | christmas up here starts insanely early, we've seen christmas trees go up on halloween |
| 01:14.15 | g1powermac | by the time you get to the date, you're sick of it |
| 01:14.44 | g1powermac | but then again, after having to deal with the christmas rush at the store, you'd be sick of it ;-) |
| 01:15.13 | prpplague | in barbados too |
| 01:15.43 | prpplague | another funny item is they buy/sell all kinds of stuff with fake snow |
| 01:16.28 | g1powermac | heh, now thats interesting |
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| 01:18.41 | prpplague | ccjoe greetings |
| 01:20.43 | g1powermac | well, I'm gone for the night |
| 01:20.45 | g1powermac | gnight all |
| 01:31.04 | prpplague | is obessing over this jtag interface |
| 01:36.17 | ccjoe | Hi prpplague and all |
| 01:37.24 | prpplague | solar looks like leapfrog is going to come clean on the gpl stuff, just don't think its going to happen quickly |
| 01:37.48 | prpplague | solar they are giving the line about "we intend to comply, but we need time to clear it with legal" |
| 01:37.55 | dbtid | prpplague: got it straight |
| 01:38.13 | prpplague | dbtid ? |
| 01:38.26 | prpplague | dbtid the version stuff you were working on? |
| 01:38.48 | prpplague | dbtid forgive me, i'm really tired, and getting silly |
| 01:41.52 | dbtid | yes |
| 01:41.55 | dbtid | the git issues |
| 01:42.04 | dbtid | thanks |
| 01:43.02 | prpplague | dbtid ahh ok |
| 01:43.14 | prpplague | dbtid btw, it was mark twain that said that quote about a cat |
| 01:47.29 | dbtid | heh |
| 01:49.14 | ds2 | come to think of it, the GPL doesn't give a finite time to comply |
| 01:49.29 | solar | prpplague: hopefully they give links to the software+patches vs just mentioning it in a .pdf hidden away. |
| 01:49.50 | solar | or making you write them + send money for them to copy it to a CD. |
| 01:50.22 | prpplague | ds2 the interpretation of the GPL indicates that the moment you distribute , you are obligated to produce source |
| 01:50.40 | prpplague | ds2 this is similiar to standard law |
| 01:50.54 | ds2 | prpplague: but it doesn't say how long you have to hand over the, tape, etc |
| 01:51.14 | ds2 | it would still be compliance if they offer it through a download with a 110bps modem ;) |
| 01:51.21 | prpplague | ds2 unless a time is specified, you have 90 days, the law requires that when the condition is met, you are obligated to comply |
| 01:51.55 | prpplague | ds2 for example, if you have a contract that says if you leave a leased building in violation of the lease you will be required to pay a fee |
| 01:52.10 | prpplague | ds2 the condition doesn;t say "you have x amount of days to pay the fee" |
| 01:52.31 | ds2 | prpplague: the ones i seen have a number of days specified |
| 01:52.31 | prpplague | ds2 so once the condition of "leaving the building" is met, you are obligated to the conditions |
| 01:53.15 | prpplague | ds2 yea, normally that is correct, but if you check the case law, unless a time is specified, once the condition is met, the obligation applies |
| 01:53.57 | prpplague | ds2 its the same argument that several busybox gpl violators have tried to use |
| 01:54.06 | prpplague | the zipit folks tried it too |
| 01:54.11 | ds2 | oh hehe I see |
| 01:54.38 | ds2 | then what you are saying is "clearing it with legal" is illegal then |
| 01:55.01 | prpplague | ds2 more like a delay tactic |
| 01:55.46 | prpplague | they know they need to comply, but they will drag their feet |
| 01:56.05 | prpplague | until they are forced to comply, and by then, the issue is less relevant |
| 01:56.11 | MonMotha | as long as it is in court and/or there is no judgement, they are not yet legally compelled to provide it |
| 01:56.24 | prpplague | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9615263220.html |
| 01:56.43 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.48 | MonMotha | however, a court may not look kindly upon repeated delay of compliance and/or simply not honoring the license |
| 01:57.01 | joe_bleau | I wonder if maybe they're short of manpower, and just don't have anyone on hand that can package the whole mess up. |
| 01:57.10 | prpplague | MonMotha exactly, the companies are play the system well so far |
| 01:57.20 | prpplague | joe_bleau yes and no |
| 01:57.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau they don't have anyone doing linux there now, see post on dice.com |
| 01:57.37 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'm waiting for somebody to get granted an injunction at the beginning of a case regarding thi |
| 01:57.40 | MonMotha | *this |
| 01:58.01 | MonMotha | an injunction preventing the sale or distribution of the product until resolution would probably remove many of the stalling tactics |
| 01:58.02 | prpplague | joe_bleau however, i have it on good authority, that the source was prepared for distribution, long before the release |
| 01:58.21 | joe_bleau | Any contact from cozybit? |
| 01:58.47 | MonMotha | and of course, once there is a judgement (which has not yet happened; everybody has settled), failure to comply with the judgement is a big no-no |
| 01:59.04 | prpplague | joe_bleau i can't comment, but lets just say, they have clean hands |
| 02:00.05 | joe_bleau | Wow, you signed an NDA? |
| 02:00.42 | prpplague | joe_bleau hehe, no, an agreement worth more than an NDA, my word |
| 02:00.44 | ds2 | who's cozybit? |
| 02:02.22 | prpplague | cozybit is the company that did the port of linux to the didj |
| 02:02.51 | ds2 | ah |
| 02:03.04 | joe_bleau | Any we know this thanks to who? ;-) |
| 02:04.27 | joe_bleau | BTW, any luck on the Didj jtag pinout? |
| 02:05.01 | prpplague | joe_bleau no not yet, i suspect i was wrong with the jtag, i'm guessing the pads might be a uart, similiar to the uart stuff on the zipitv1 |
| 02:05.31 | joe_bleau | Oh man, that would suck. |
| 02:05.55 | ds2 | 4+ pads for a uart? |
| 02:06.53 | prpplague | not too bad, the cirrus logic has a uart load feature, let me get a url |
| 02:07.10 | joe_bleau | I'm aware of it. It's just not a useful as JTAG. |
| 02:07.36 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/Zipit_Serial_Mod |
| 02:07.44 | prpplague | joe_bleau agreed |
| 02:08.06 | joe_bleau | Better than nothing, but if we don't know the CPU, figuring out the bootloader could be tough. |
| 02:08.17 | joe_bleau | How does stock firmware update? Something about USB, right? |
| 02:08.18 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:08.24 | prpplague | joe_bleau yea |
| 02:08.26 | prpplague | via usb |
| 02:08.35 | prpplague | joe_bleau i suspect we will have source soon |
| 02:08.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau i want to try and find out as much as i can before the source is released |
| 02:08.56 | joe_bleau | But will it be enough? Might be a closed source bootloader. |
| 02:09.08 | prpplague | joe_bleau not really concerened about the bootloader |
| 02:09.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau i can handle that once we get kernel source |
| 02:09.18 | joe_bleau | WHOA! What's this Esquire e-ink magazine thing all about? |
| 02:09.33 | prpplague | wonders if joe_bleau has been living under a rock |
| 02:09.39 | joe_bleau | Apparently. |
| 02:09.46 | joe_bleau | With the fireants. |
| 02:10.06 | prpplague | joe_bleau esquire mag has been giving hints about the first e-ink mag cover for about 6 months |
| 02:10.21 | joe_bleau | Wow. Is it out on the stands yet? |
| 02:10.28 | joe_bleau | I gottta have one. |
| 02:11.00 | prpplague | reportable as of this morning |
| 02:11.02 | solar | one? heck at what will probably be $5 a pop. You probably want to get 25 of them |
| 02:11.19 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:12.31 | joe_bleau | I don't know that I need 25. Ok, two or three to hack. |
| 02:12.45 | L_Deluxe | What would you do with 25 of them? |
| 02:12.57 | prpplague | L_Deluxe plenty of spares |
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| 02:13.16 | prpplague | L_Deluxe want to see how programmable they are |
| 02:13.18 | L_Deluxe | Have you seen it yet? Formed characters. Not dot-addressable. |
| 02:13.23 | L_Deluxe | Sure. |
| 02:13.31 | joe_bleau | Oh, gee, that's kinda weak. |
| 02:13.35 | prpplague | L_Deluxe yea, i have a couple e-ink kits |
| 02:13.42 | joe_bleau | Good for a technology then. |
| 02:13.43 | prpplague | L_Deluxe just want to experiment |
| 02:14.32 | prpplague | the big key is they did it with a pic without a seperate controller |
| 02:14.53 | L_Deluxe | Yup. 1 row, 11 columns. |
| 02:17.27 | joe_bleau | OK, so back to didj then. If the CPU is unknown, assuming closed bootloader and no JTAG, what's the angle? |
| 02:18.43 | prpplague | joe_bleau let us assume that it is like the uart on the cirrus logic, there is a boot mode which you can configure to upload initial bootcode |
| 02:19.01 | joe_bleau | Yep, sounds like a solid assumption. |
| 02:19.14 | prpplague | most bootloader code is actually duplicated in the linux kernel |
| 02:19.37 | prpplague | i can find out about 99% of what i need to get apex booting |
| 02:19.40 | joe_bleau | Really? Would not have guessed that. |
| 02:20.22 | joe_bleau | Do you mean stuff like configuration the chip for memory (chip selects, clocking, GPIO assignments, etc.)? |
| 02:20.54 | joe_bleau | Or stuff like "autobaud on this character, then look for an xmodem download of 128 bytes, load to this address, set stack to here, and go"? |
| 02:23.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau mostly for the bootloader we are talking about memory init, pll clocks, uart init, and timer init |
| 02:24.10 | prpplague | joe_bleau most of that is duplicated in the kernel |
| 02:24.17 | ds2 | isn't that the october issue? |
| 02:24.19 | joe_bleau | Now that I understand. |
| 02:24.48 | prpplague | ds2 yea |
| 02:25.03 | joe_bleau | I'm still worried about getting new code into the device, with only kernel source as a guide. |
| 02:25.09 | ds2 | the problem with the eink cover is the lack of controller chips |
| 02:25.11 | prpplague | naw |
| 02:26.15 | ds2 | anyone know what happened to hackaday? |
| 02:26.38 | L_Deluxe | They alienated their fan base? |
| 02:26.40 | prpplague | ds2 they were updating the server, and something "bad (tm)" happened |
| 02:26.52 | ds2 | prpplague: is that all? even their DNS entries are gone |
| 02:27.06 | prpplague | ds2 there is a rumor circulating that they got a cease and desist |
| 02:27.16 | ds2 | that sounds more plausible |
| 02:27.55 | joe_bleau | 6 coin cells on that mag cover! |
| 02:30.09 | prpplague | http://www.brianalvey.com/news/2005/07/17/hack-a-day-hacked/ |
| 02:30.31 | prpplague | bangs head on desk |
| 02:30.37 | prpplague | i hate black box code |
| 02:30.59 | joe_bleau | They were running IIS? |
| 02:31.39 | L_Deluxe | Is that article from 2005? |
| 02:31.52 | joe_bleau | Looks like it. |
| 02:32.16 | L_Deluxe | So... probably not what's going on now, then. ;) |
| 02:32.20 | prpplague | hehe is it? |
| 02:32.28 | prpplague | didn't check the date |
| 02:32.35 | joe_bleau | Oops. |
| 02:35.41 | prpplague | #hackaday |
| 02:36.39 | prpplague | hmm there is a teamhackaday channel somewhere |
| 02:36.42 | prpplague | looks |
| 02:37.09 | prpplague | efnet |
| 02:37.10 | prpplague | ew |
| 02:48.13 | prpplague | something really weird going on with hackaday |
| 02:48.26 | prpplague | it seems the hackaday irc channels have been taken over |
| 02:51.06 | ds2 | EFnet is fine network! |
| 02:53.22 | prpplague | ds2 yea right |
| 02:54.04 | prpplague | well the #hackaday channel on efnet is full of @#$@#$#$% heads |
| 02:55.39 | ds2 | prpplague: you just need to get used to it first! |
| 02:55.55 | prpplague | ds2 the guy tried to get my personal info |
| 02:55.59 | ds2 | EFnet has the full IRC experience |
| 02:56.23 | prpplague | http://ohiopctech.com/dp/?q=aggregator/sources/1 |
| 02:56.28 | prpplague | something isn't right |
| 02:56.39 | prpplague | other sites are getting updates from hackaday.com |
| 02:56.49 | prpplague | ~nslookup www.hackaday.com |
| 02:57.12 | prpplague | anyone outside the US get hackaday.com? |
| 02:57.21 | ds2 | Hmmmm |
| 03:01.58 | prpplague | something is really weird |
| 03:02.25 | ds2 | damn vendor part screw up is messing up my schedule :( |
| 03:03.30 | prpplague | darn now i'm worried about script kiddies from #hackaday |
| 03:03.43 | ds2 | run a tight setup and it won't matter |
| 03:04.58 | prpplague | yea, i do, but i still worry |
| 03:05.17 | prpplague | wonders what the heck is up with hackaday |
| 03:07.17 | ds2 | looks like their domain also got hacked |
| 03:08.21 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:11.54 | prpplague | weird a bunch of their pages are being updated but i can't resolve them |
| 03:19.38 | prpplague | hmm |
| 03:19.43 | prpplague | wonders about hackaday |
| 03:21.41 | L_Deluxe | I saw them disappear from DNS last week for a time, but they came back. That didn't last long. |
| 03:25.25 | L_Deluxe | The being back part, that is. |
| 03:26.11 | solar | did they have that thing over at yahoo HQ yet? |
| 03:26.52 | solar | signed up for it. But I'm forgetful on dates. |
| 03:27.14 | prpplague | solar what thing is that? |
| 03:27.39 | solar | the equiv of a makerfair. But for hackaday. |
| 03:27.57 | solar | sometime this month or the tail of the following. |
| 03:29.09 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:30.04 | solar | darn. and I can't find it in my mail. Oh well |
| 03:35.06 | solar | soldering project #3 completed and it looks good. Nice clean shinny(non dull) even slopping points :) |
| 03:35.37 | prpplague | solar hehe good deal |
| 03:35.41 | solar | few more of these and I might have to give smt a try |
| 03:36.12 | prpplague | totally paranoid about those script kiddies now |
| 03:36.24 | prpplague | considers shutting down the net connection for the evening |
| 03:36.35 | joe_bleau | Are you dynamic IP? Bounce your connection. |
| 03:36.42 | solar | whats going on that you are worried about? |
| 03:38.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau good point |
| 03:39.16 | prpplague | solar i join a #hackaday channel over on efnet, a there were a ton of script kiddies, a bunch possing as hackaday.com employees |
| 03:39.59 | prpplague | solar didn't give them any info, but i'm paranoid about such things |
| 03:40.22 | prpplague | makes me wonder how many hackaday visitors have been con'd |
| 03:41.31 | prpplague | http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:qGq75K-RFt4J:www.hackaday.com/+new+on+hackaday.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us |
| 03:41.40 | prpplague | interesting though, google has cached pages from today |
| 03:41.44 | joe_bleau | Did you let them know you were MS free? |
| 03:41.57 | prpplague | makes me wonder if the ip address is being block for the US |
| 03:42.18 | prpplague | joe_bleau techincally i am but my daughter and wife have winblows laptops |
| 03:43.00 | joe_bleau | Is your firewall stateful? |
| 03:43.46 | joe_bleau | That google cache is what, 24h old? |
| 03:48.26 | solar | good old efnet. yeah bit of a wild west. |
| 03:48.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau that google cache is marked today |
| 03:49.16 | solar | been on that network for 10 years. I have my paranoid things as well. Infact that is what drove me down the PaX/hardened-toolchain/security path. |
| 03:49.28 | ds2 | probally someone highjacked the DNS and things are being suspended while it is being sorted out |
| 03:49.33 | solar | dont even use my real name for online stuff. Unless I have a reason to tell ya |
| 03:51.11 | joe_bleau | No, that google cache is marked yesterday: sep 8 2008, 03:29 GMT. It's now sep 9 2008, 3:50 GMT. |
| 03:51.11 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:51.52 | prpplague | ahh ok, didn't notice the GMT |
| 03:52.33 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I didn't either at first. I'm a time-nut. Have an Rb oscillator and a couple of GPSDO on hand. |
| 03:53.54 | prpplague | decides to grab a beer and try to relax |
| 03:54.02 | prpplague | this jtag stuff has me all wound up |
| 03:54.21 | prpplague | i hope TI decides to let me have the ICEPick reference doc |
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| 03:56.52 | solar | prpplague: still trying to manually jtag it? Or opting for the atmega48 method? |
| 03:57.24 | solar | the avr method looks to be quite a bit of work initially. But in the end. Pretty cool thing to have handy |
| 03:57.30 | prpplague | solar two different jtag issues |
| 03:57.58 | solar | whats the other? didj being one. two being? |
| 03:58.04 | prpplague | solar i'm adding complete ICEPick support to openocd for use with the beagle board and TI chipsets that have ICEPick in general |
| 03:58.09 | prpplague | solar the other is the didj stuff |
| 03:58.38 | prpplague | solar the ICEPick stuff is work related per mr.herod's stuff |
| 03:59.14 | prpplague | solar check out this presentation - http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/sprp603/sprp603.pdf |
| 03:59.17 | prpplague | heads to bed |
| 03:59.20 | solar | not finding a lot of references to ICEPick in the context of embedded |
| 03:59.31 | prpplague | hehe i knew you were going to ask |
| 03:59.34 | solar | ahh cool. cya. Must of been one fast beer |
| 03:59.50 | prpplague | ICEPick is a a JTAG Route Controller |
| 03:59.59 | prpplague | real play on words |
| 04:00.27 | prpplague | ICE==In Circuit Emulator |
| 04:00.46 | prpplague | the JRC allows you to choose(or pick) which jtag device to talk to |
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| 04:00.52 | prpplague | ICEPick |
| 04:01.21 | prpplague | so ICEPick allows you to choose which ICE device to talk to |
| 04:01.27 | prpplague | funny eh? |
| 04:01.41 | solar | light blub just went off. |
| 04:01.59 | solar | recalls softice from many yesteryears ago. |
| 04:02.00 | prpplague | off or on? hehe |
| 04:02.18 | solar | off :) |
| 04:02.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:02.31 | prpplague | real low level stuff |
| 04:02.38 | prpplague | gotta head to bed, sigwife |
| 04:02.51 | solar | sigluck.. |
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| 13:12.34 | prpplague | is sooooo pissed this morning |
| 13:12.52 | Crofton | why? |
| 13:15.41 | prpplague | Crofton: i've been submitting a patch to fix an issue with BUG() on in the arm kernel as far back as 2.6.16, and i find out this morning that nico submitted basically the same patch and it was accepted within 24 hours |
| 13:16.03 | Crofton | urg |
| 13:16.49 | prpplague | that is a perfect example of the elitism that causing commercial vendors not to submit patches |
| 13:16.58 | prpplague | i/is |
| 13:17.17 | prpplague | that just really pisses me off |
| 13:17.54 | prpplague | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20070906.140649.79f143a0.en.html |
| 13:18.28 | prpplague | 2.6.23 was when i gave up |
| 13:18.59 | prpplague | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=5211%2F2 |
| 13:28.10 | mnemoc | but yours loops setting NULL and he just blocks after setting it once |
| 13:30.17 | prpplague | mnemoc: yes, i agree, that isn't really the point, i was completely ignored, not response, not testing, not comments, nothing |
| 13:30.29 | mnemoc | :( |
| 13:30.43 | prpplague | mnemoc: everyone said "thats a compiler issue, gcc needs to fix that!" |
| 13:31.06 | prpplague | mnemoc: it only became an issue when someone "high up" decided it was an issue |
| 13:32.09 | prpplague | mnemoc: my patch for BUG() is a direct copy of the same functions for x86 and several other platforms |
| 13:32.19 | magnetron | a level of marketing is required to be able to get patches accepted |
| 13:32.22 | prpplague | mnemoc: if it was good for those arch's why wasn't it good enough for arm? |
| 13:32.33 | mnemoc | :-\ |
| 13:32.42 | prpplague | magnetron: ok, show me where nico marketed his patch? |
| 13:33.03 | magnetron | prpplague, i don't know the scene, but isn't he well known? |
| 13:34.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:47.03 | mnemoc | "well known" engineers don't have to justify their patches? |
| 13:47.21 | prpplague | magnetron: yes he is well known, which is exactly my point |
| 13:47.31 | magnetron | prpplague, my point too |
| 13:48.17 | magnetron | mnemoc, engineers are already hired and have marketed themselves enough to get themselves hired. |
| 13:48.55 | prpplague | magnetron: the POSTED requirement is that ALL patches have to be submitted to the mailing list PRIOR to submission to the patch system |
| 13:49.13 | prpplague | magnetron: i don't see how that applies |
| 13:50.11 | prpplague | magnetron: i do driver dev all day long professionally |
| 13:51.20 | prpplague | magnetron: having only the elite be able to get patches in doesn't sit well with me |
| 13:52.13 | prpplague | magnetron: and having one set of rules for the elite and having another set for everyone else doesn't sit well with me either |
| 13:52.51 | magnetron | prpplague, the reality is that you have to market either yourselve or your patch to get it in. you need to earn a reputation - people will not read everything. this is the reality. |
| 13:53.50 | MothaWork | It's one thing to ignore the vast array of mail list chatter that flies by. It's another thing to ignore a [PATCH] mailing, especially from somebody who has posted to the mailing list before (even if you ignore the messages, you tend to get familiar with the names) |
| 13:54.02 | prpplague | magnetron: which is exactly why commercial developers are increasingly not submitting, i have deadlines and things to do for my paycheck |
| 13:55.13 | magnetron | prpplague, you apparently don't care enough about your to be able to lobby enough for it to get in. |
| 13:55.23 | magnetron | *about your patch |
| 13:55.49 | prpplague | not when i can patch my local copy |
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| 13:58.00 | prpplague | i'm not accountable to LAK, i am to my boss, i'll spend what time i have to submit patches, but as long as i can patch my local kernel copy, that is all that counts |
| 13:58.08 | prpplague | sure i'd like the patches to be in there |
| 13:58.24 | prpplague | but the whole patch windows/system is f'd imho |
| 13:58.37 | prpplague | and this just another example |
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| 14:02.06 | sjhill | prpplague: yup, i agree with you |
| 14:05.59 | prpplague | this elitism in the embedded area of the kernel is killing the initiative of commercial operations from contributing back to OSS |
| 14:06.11 | prpplague | sjhill: glad i'm not the only one who things so |
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| 14:15.11 | prpplague | goes to get coffee and tries to forget about this |
| 14:22.07 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:22.19 | prpplague | tries to decide if it is worth responding to RMK |
| 14:22.53 | chouimat | prpplague: be "colourful" ;) |
| 14:24.30 | L_Deluxe | Since what you're describing is basically politics, perhaps it would help to ally yourself with one of those who _is_ heeded. Like the person whose version of what you were trying to do got accepted without review. |
| 14:25.08 | L_Deluxe | It doesn't make it right that patches get accepted without review, though. |
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| 14:29.47 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: i'm way beyond that, 2 years ago i would have agree, now i simply don't care, i'll post the patchs on the mailing lists, put them on my wiki, if someone wants to use them fine, if not that's fine too, my kernel works,the boss is happy, and i get paid |
| 14:32.14 | L_Deluxe | I understand. It's sad that the situation is such that it brings reasonable and qualified people such as yourself to that point. |
| 14:39.54 | L_Deluxe | prpplague: where's your wiki? |
| 14:40.27 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org is what i use |
| 14:41.08 | L_Deluxe | Any particular subpage? |
| 14:43.44 | kergoth`work | morning |
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| 15:02.55 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: no particular subpage, i add to alot of them |
| 15:03.19 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: most for the device hacking pages |
| 15:03.55 | L_Deluxe | Ah. |
| 15:04.01 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: i posted the first enc28j60 driver, along with patches, fixes, info on getting linux running on a number of devices |
| 15:04.22 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: most recent device is the Didj http://www.elinux.org/Didj |
| 15:05.43 | L_Deluxe | Yeah, I've been following that in the channel. I don't have anything useful to add to the effort, but it's interesting to watch the process. |
| 15:06.49 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: yea, good for sharpening engineering skills |
| 15:07.43 | L_Deluxe | I prefer forward engineering, myself. It's easier. ;) |
| 15:08.39 | L_Deluxe | If LF actually does come through with source, that may help a bit. |
| 15:08.44 | MothaWork | L_Deluxe: whois me :) |
| 15:09.10 | L_Deluxe | Ha! |
| 15:10.23 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: yea, i suspect it will, i was hope'n for a more challenging hack though |
| 15:10.49 | L_Deluxe | Oh, I'm sure you'll find one. |
| 15:11.35 | L_Deluxe | Mfrs sure do like deliberately making it difficult. |
| 15:11.46 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:16.27 | [g2] | prpplague: are you running code on the Didj ? |
| 15:16.46 | prpplague | [g2]: userland only, nothing kernel yet |
| 15:17.09 | [g2] | what devices are operational ? |
| 15:17.18 | [g2] | keypad, screen, etc... |
| 15:17.21 | [g2] | audio |
| 15:18.21 | [g2] | doesn't need to just 'ssh' into yet another linux box :) |
| 15:18.22 | prpplague | i just uploaded a custom rootfs based on busybox, i've kind of stopped software dev until i get source |
| 15:18.30 | prpplague | i've been looking mostly at the hardware |
| 15:19.21 | [g2] | so the rootfs uses busybox and Linux, but they haven't release sources ? |
| 15:19.31 | solar | nod ;/ |
| 15:19.47 | [g2] | have you set the gpl-violators on them ? |
| 15:20.06 | prpplague | [g2]: no not yet, i understand from a unnamed thirdparty that LF is in the process of getting "approval" from their legal department |
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| 15:20.24 | [g2] | LF ? |
| 15:20.55 | [g2] | this is just like Linksys and the WRT54g 4.5 years ago |
| 15:21.12 | prpplague | LeapFrog |
| 15:21.16 | prpplague | [g2]: yea |
| 15:21.32 | prpplague | and the zipit folks and the emsoft folks and the mattel folks |
| 15:21.34 | [g2] | solar: btw I got my arduino boards :) |
| 15:21.50 | solar | [g2]: cool. I did not know you were ordering some. |
| 15:22.03 | MothaWork | for some reason, it seems acceptable to comply with the GPL after the fact, whereas commercial licenses are always complied with on the date of release |
| 15:22.04 | solar | you said 'boards' You ordered a few? |
| 15:22.31 | [g2] | I've got a starter kit from ladyada and a touchshield |
| 15:22.48 | solar | MonMotha: that cuz there seems to be very little repercussions about not complying |
| 15:22.50 | [g2] | I also have a 'relay squid' |
| 15:23.05 | solar | touchsheld. yikes spendy. |
| 15:23.12 | [g2] | so I'll be able to control 4 outlets |
| 15:23.43 | [g2] | solar: that is very spendy, but I've got a master plan...... :) |
| 15:23.59 | solar | I picked up a few more myself. Soldered up a motorshield last night. Got a board I want to send off to prpplague |
| 15:24.27 | [g2] | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8843 |
| 15:24.29 | solar | brb sancer run. |
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| 15:25.38 | [g2] | prpplague: so could you drive the graphics, do sound, or get input ? |
| 15:28.16 | prpplague | [g2]: could i or did i? |
| 15:28.27 | [g2] | did you |
| 15:28.41 | [g2] | I mean verify that it really worked |
| 15:29.08 | [g2] | I'm guessing you verified that an application ran on the box |
| 15:29.19 | prpplague | [g2]: i was able to redirect some output to the fb, just so i new it was alive |
| 15:29.41 | prpplague | [g2]: basically i just had it do a color sequence so i knew it had booted |
| 15:29.52 | [g2] | ok cool. |
| 15:30.25 | prpplague | [g2]: i expect that in another week or so i should have it functional, using their provided kernel |
| 15:30.37 | prpplague | [g2]: just haven't had time to dig anymore into the kernel |
| 15:30.38 | [g2] | that'd be really cool |
| 15:30.47 | [g2] | how does one dl the image ? |
| 15:31.18 | [g2] | is thinking about an educational device for the kids |
| 15:31.36 | [g2] | things like spelling, simple math, etc... vocabulary |
| 15:31.51 | [g2] | identify dinosaurs |
| 15:32.16 | prpplague | currently the design uses a usb protocol |
| 15:32.26 | prpplague | basically its zipped images |
| 15:32.49 | prpplague | [g2]: the usb stuff initially appears to be just a block transfer protocol |
| 15:32.57 | [g2] | ok, so a usb driver on the host side, then plug it in and xfer then reboot |
| 15:33.04 | prpplague | [g2]: yea |
| 15:33.16 | [g2] | like rewriting the iPod firmware |
| 15:33.22 | prpplague | i have planned on using the nail board as a wedge inbetween to capture some data |
| 15:33.36 | prpplague | doesn't know about ipod firmware |
| 15:33.38 | [g2] | is it 1.1 or 2.0 ? |
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| 15:34.09 | prpplague | [g2]: its reporting 2.0, but i'm not entirely sure of that |
| 15:34.30 | [g2] | it could be 2.0 but no high-speed support, just low and full |
| 15:34.41 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:34.59 | prpplague | the cartridge is a standard nand flash device |
| 15:35.11 | prpplague | thats the only drawback to the device |
| 15:35.22 | [g2] | oh it takes cartridges too ? |
| 15:35.25 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:35.43 | prpplague | about the same size as gameboy DS cart |
| 15:35.45 | solar | so long nslu2. hello didj |
| 15:35.57 | solar | has a feeling thats whats on [g2]'s mind |
| 15:36.02 | [g2] | heh nslu2 has been gone for like 3 years :) |
| 15:36.17 | [g2] | the device, not the project |
| 15:36.22 | solar | oh I think you were still pretty active in that community |
| 15:36.35 | solar | s/think/thought/ |
| 15:37.04 | [g2] | I haven't been real active for probably a couple years now |
| 15:37.15 | prpplague | [g2]: you been following the didj stuff here or did you here about it somewhere else? |
| 15:37.34 | [g2] | no I just happend to see it this AM |
| 15:37.40 | [g2] | as I was in here |
| 15:37.43 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 15:38.17 | [g2] | I wasn't in IRC very much this summer, too damn busy :( |
| 15:38.25 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 15:38.36 | prpplague | [g2]: well didj is ripe for some fun apps |
| 15:38.47 | prpplague | [g2]: should do something similiar to what they did for the zipit |
| 15:38.49 | [g2] | embedded it just totally exploding |
| 15:39.09 | [g2] | prpplague: I've got some other ideas |
| 15:39.39 | solar | invent the wheel |
| 15:39.56 | [g2] | but that company that did the educational spin is moving in a better direction IMHO |
| 15:40.18 | [g2] | becomes caveman.... starts on wheel :) |
| 15:40.25 | solar | quick before apple/MS put a patent on it. |
| 15:40.35 | [g2] | damn.... too slow |
| 15:40.36 | prpplague | the ones that did the educational stuff with the zipit? |
| 15:40.50 | [g2] | yeah.. they got there own hw build |
| 15:41.04 | [g2] | selling in school systems etc... |
| 15:41.12 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 15:41.20 | prpplague | when did they start with their own hardware? |
| 15:41.52 | [g2] | no the modded the zipit, probably using our stuff, then had the company that makes zipit's build them hw |
| 15:42.10 | [g2] | this was like 2-3 years ago |
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| 15:42.47 | prpplague | [g2]: ahh ok i follow you, i was thinking you were saying they started doing their own hardware |
| 15:43.17 | [g2] | zipit was spun out as it's own company iirc |
| 15:43.24 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:43.43 | prpplague | i don't think the educational company was involved with that |
| 15:43.45 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:44.54 | [g2] | I think they were only a licenesee |
| 15:45.10 | [g2] | so basically a customer for the spinout |
| 15:45.26 | prpplague | http://www.learningsoft.net/ |
| 15:48.00 | [g2] | hugs prpplague ... you were faster on the google :) |
| 15:49.00 | [g2] | 24 student kit $2K |
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| 15:54.06 | [g2] | yeah 2.5 years ago Mar 06 |
| 15:56.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague, solar: Greetings |
| 15:57.49 | solar | RobotGuy: how did the tap go? |
| 15:58.15 | RobotGuy | solar: Still not feeling well from that. Had to go it without meds. :( |
| 15:59.20 | solar | bummer. Hope we can keep you distracted |
| 15:59.44 | RobotGuy | solar: Yeah, for sure. |
| 16:01.20 | solar | two more ppl I know picked up the arduino. [g2] and miknix. should be interesting to see what they come up with. |
| 16:03.11 | RobotGuy | solar: Cool! |
| 16:04.14 | RobotGuy | solar: I've been thinking the Didj might be an inexpensive POC for one of the things I want to do. |
| 16:04.30 | prpplague | POC? |
| 16:04.47 | RobotGuy | Proof Of Concept. Gotcha! :D |
| 16:05.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh here in the office we usually use it as PoC |
| 16:05.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, OK, well, I'm not there. :p |
| 16:06.02 | prpplague | hehe yep |
| 16:06.38 | prpplague | if the uart is available on the cartridge slot as i suspect that it is, you could have a bluetooth cart for the didj |
| 16:06.44 | solar | prpplague: any misc hardware uses you might have a for a used virgin mobile wild card phone? |
| 16:07.18 | prpplague | nothing off the top of my head |
| 16:07.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yep. :) |
| 16:07.40 | solar | then I'll find something else to stuff in the box to fill space |
| 16:07.55 | solar | will try to make ya laugh in the process |
| 16:08.04 | RobotGuy | solar: Something won't fit? |
| 16:08.13 | solar | naa. too much space |
| 16:08.28 | RobotGuy | solar: How much space?? |
| 16:08.35 | solar | too much :p |
| 16:09.01 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmmmmm.. |
| 16:09.48 | solar | a cardboard box that can fit 6 boards. I've only got one. Not a big deal. |
| 16:10.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Most of the stuff I need is already in the Didj, so it would be interesting. |
| 16:10.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you know if the Didj has USB Host exposed anywhere? |
| 16:10.51 | prpplague | don't know at this stage |
| 16:10.53 | adyer | solar: a place I worked for once shipped a PC with slices of pizza in the box :-) |
| 16:11.17 | prpplague | solar: pactec cases should be here shortly |
| 16:11.20 | RobotGuy | adyer: That sounds like something Sun might do. |
| 16:11.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have a couple of those on the way to me also. |
| 16:12.04 | prpplague | anyone heard the status of hackaday? |
| 16:12.45 | solar | funny I have a few samples on order also :) |
| 16:14.48 | RobotGuy | Mmmmmm, Didj has 246 MB of Flash.. |
| 16:15.57 | solar | 246 is odd |
| 16:16.07 | RobotGuy | sees potential for a DidjBot. :) |
| 16:16.18 | prpplague | solar: i think that is a typo |
| 16:16.21 | prpplague | its 256MB |
| 16:16.26 | solar | knows |
| 16:16.29 | RobotGuy | I meant 256 MB |
| 16:16.40 | prpplague | ah ok |
| 16:16.48 | prpplague | checks to make sure it is correct on the wiki |
| 16:16.49 | solar | RobotGuy: funny. You want to turn everything into a robot |
| 16:17.05 | RobotGuy | solar: It's what I do. ;) |
| 16:17.40 | RobotGuy | solar: Did I show you the solar powered fans to put in your car window to push hot air out? |
| 16:17.40 | solar | personaly. I could almost see that hardware being coupled with a quad band gsm chip.. call it a day |
| 16:17.59 | prpplague | solar: the didj? |
| 16:18.10 | RobotGuy | solar: Sparkfun has some of those with GPS, but not sure they would do voice. |
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| 16:18.28 | solar | prpplague: it's more or less a smart phone with no phone. |
| 16:18.41 | prpplague | solar: interesting idea |
| 16:18.46 | prpplague | solar: you could retro fit it |
| 16:19.00 | solar | it's design is based on the danger sidekick 2 I think infact |
| 16:19.11 | solar | well plastic moldings anyway |
| 16:19.20 | solar | those were z80 based ^ |
| 16:19.43 | RobotGuy | solar: I'm also thinking Didj might be a good way to go for my RRC. :) |
| 16:20.30 | RobotGuy | At least for a prototype. Ah, I knew the "y" key was here somewhere. |
| 16:21.09 | RobotGuy | wants a robot that can phone home. |
| 16:22.29 | solar | maybe not the sidekick exactly. But it was the first device that sprung to mind when I first saw the didj http://www.pricecomparison.com/reviews/10049/sidekick2.jpg |
| 16:22.38 | prpplague | looks |
| 16:23.00 | prpplague | solar: yea very similiar minus the popup screen |
| 16:25.01 | RobotGuy | solar: Can ya see it now? W.A.L.T.E.R. phone home. :) |
| 16:25.19 | solar | Anybody with good eyesight can make out the chip used here? http://www.adafruit.com/images/large/tvbgonekit_LRG.jpg |
| 16:26.17 | RobotGuy | It's got eight pins. :) |
| 16:27.08 | RobotGuy | OK, OK, must be time for me to get some breakfast.. BBIAB. |
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| 16:27.35 | L_Deluxe | ATtiny2313 |
| 16:27.41 | solar | the ladyada page is less than useful. Just says http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=75 |
| 16:28.48 | solar | ahh perfect. That was the hint I needed. |
| 16:29.09 | L_Deluxe | Firmware is open, as well. |
| 16:29.20 | L_Deluxe | http://www.ladyada.net/make/tvbgone/download.html |
| 16:29.35 | solar | ya. Seems to be a attiny85 |
| 16:30.16 | L_Deluxe | Oh, Ok. Maybe they changed it. |
| 16:31.39 | L_Deluxe | Ah. The original tv-b-gone was a hacked MiniPOV kit. That has the 2313. The current one indeed dose have an ATtiny85 for the larger FLASH. |
| 16:41.16 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419404,00.html |
| 16:41.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:42.00 | L_Deluxe | Finally; we'll be rid of the anti-LHC crowd one way or another. |
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| 17:46.10 | MothaWork | L_Deluxe: the tiny85 is actually cheaper than the 2313, IIRC |
| 17:46.19 | MothaWork | it's a smaller package and I think the die is on a smaller process |
| 18:00.09 | L_Deluxe | Even better. |
| 18:01.38 | MothaWork | the only real reason to use the 2313 anymore is that it is the smallest/cheapest AVR with both a USART and the USI |
| 18:01.53 | roxfan | prpplague: lightning-boot.bin is the bootloader |
| 18:01.58 | MothaWork | it's also got a fair number of IO, but I think they have others out there with that now for less |
| 18:02.23 | prpplague | roxfan: yea, i did strings on it, but didn't find anything interesting |
| 18:02.31 | prpplague | roxfan: did you? |
| 18:02.52 | roxfan | well, i'm not sure what is "interesting" for you :) |
| 18:03.03 | ds2 | morning |
| 18:03.32 | prpplague | roxfan: i didn't see anything that indicated the cpu type or what the original name of the bootloader was |
| 18:03.37 | roxfan | ah |
| 18:03.49 | roxfan | well, it looks like a custom job to me |
| 18:04.00 | prpplague | yea, that is what i gathered |
| 18:05.56 | roxfan | i identified some routines... can dig a bit more if you need something specific |
| 18:05.58 | prpplague | has anyone heard any news about hackaday? |
| 18:06.23 | prpplague | roxfan: naw, i've kind put that software stuff on hold until i hear back from leapfrog |
| 18:06.29 | roxfan | ok |
| 18:06.38 | prpplague | roxfan: i have a couple other projects on the front burner for the next week or so |
| 18:06.48 | prpplague | roxfan: thanks though |
| 18:07.01 | prpplague | roxfan: i'll try to keep everyone uptodate on the leapfrog info |
| 18:07.14 | roxfan | if you need any binary reversed just ask :) |
| 18:08.19 | prpplague | will do |
| 18:08.36 | prpplague | hmm, strange, i've not gotten any mail for the last two hours |
| 18:08.40 | prpplague | thats very odd |
| 18:09.10 | ds2 | prpplague: have you ever thought of looking into those DTV converter boxes? |
| 18:09.56 | prpplague | ds2: no, hadn't thought about those, they have arm cores? |
| 18:10.20 | ds2 | prpplague: donno what they have... they seem attractive given the price range and the hardware that should be in them |
| 18:10.39 | prpplague | yea, my guess is that they are probably mips based |
| 18:10.47 | MothaWork | I was hoping to find one that was coupon eligible that could be trivially modded to have 480p or better output |
| 18:18.38 | prpplague | fills out a requestion form for a new chair http://gadgets.boingboing.net/Custom-furniture-theme-throne-chair2-2.jpg |
| 18:34.43 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:53.44 | MothaWork | prpplague: hey, what's the "proper" way to get the functionality of strtoul in the kernel? |
| 18:54.50 | prpplague | MothaWork: hehe, i couldn't tell you the "proper" way. i've always use a local function call for stuff like proc entry write features |
| 18:54.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've not seen it done any other way |
| 18:55.03 | prpplague | MonMotha: CosmicPenguin might know |
| 18:56.42 | kergoth`work | include/linux/kernel.h:84:extern unsigned long simple_strtoul(const char *,char **,unsigned int); |
| 18:56.42 | kergoth`work | include/linux/kernel.h:85:extern long simple_strtol(const char *,char **,unsigned int); |
| 18:56.44 | kergoth`work | according to grep. |
| 18:57.04 | MothaWork | those are the "proper" ways? I also see several references to those being "bad" |
| 18:57.08 | MothaWork | though I think those ar emostly BSD |
| 18:57.33 | prpplague | checks some of his code |
| 18:58.17 | kergoth`work | shrug, don't know of any other ways offhand |
| 18:58.30 | kergoth`work | apparently theres also strict_ versions |
| 18:58.34 | kergoth`work | whatever that means :P |
| 18:59.14 | MothaWork | I see |
| 18:59.16 | prpplague | i wonder why so many drivers use local version, maybe they were legacy drivers up from 2.4 |
| 18:59.26 | prpplague | checks a 2.4 kernel |
| 19:00.34 | kergoth`work | prpplague: i see a few commits in 2.6 switching from local versions to the ones in kernel.h |
| 19:00.42 | kergoth`work | and a few commits that convert from simple_ to strict_ also |
| 19:00.50 | kergoth`work | git log --grep=strtoul :P |
| 19:01.07 | kergoth`work | course log -S would catch any add/remove of a line with it in it |
| 19:01.09 | prpplague | yea looking now |
| 19:02.30 | prpplague | looks like a bunch of the 2.4 drivers that were brought forward to 2.6 still have some local_atoi and local_strtol stuff |
| 19:03.38 | prpplague | stallion.c isn't that a digi board |
| 19:04.01 | prpplague | naw i'm thinking of another digi board |
| 19:04.26 | prpplague | makes a not to update some of his 2.6 drivers |
| 19:04.29 | prpplague | note |
| 19:06.24 | MothaWork | prpplague: I needed backlight control, so I hacked up a quick /proc driver. I hate to do that given that there is a "proper" API that uses /sys, but this was quick. |
| 19:06.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, btdt done that |
| 19:08.04 | kergoth`work | hmm, i should really brush up the device/driver model |
| 19:11.45 | prpplague | throws a LDDv3 at kergoth`work |
| 19:11.53 | kergoth`work | rolls eyes |
| 19:12.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:12.18 | kergoth`work | this bug is a nightmare |
| 19:12.27 | prpplague | i'm not getting a darn thing done today |
| 19:12.45 | kergoth`work | random memory corruption in this descriptor ring in this ethernet driver which causes crashes at dma sync time |
| 19:12.54 | kergoth`work | plus a random deadlock thrown in for good measure |
| 19:13.26 | MothaWork | mmm...sounds fun |
| 19:13.26 | kergoth`work | and the test environment (2 desktops & a board) is remote, in california |
| 19:13.26 | kergoth`work | so no jtag for me |
| 19:13.26 | kergoth`work | oh, and its ppc, which i know almost nothing about |
| 19:13.41 | kergoth`work | maybe i should try to set up kgdb |
| 19:13.43 | prpplague | kergoth`work: hehe, tincantools new jtag device might be of interest for your board center |
| 19:14.42 | kergoth`work | have 6 patches applied working on this.. had to fix compiling with no napi, had to fix sysrq support in the serial driver (3 line fix, thankfully)... |
| 19:14.50 | kergoth`work | grumbles |
| 19:15.39 | prpplague | which reminds me , i need to mention it to brad dixon |
| 19:21.47 | kergoth`work | woo, http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-suggest.html |
| 19:25.03 | prpplague | ~nslookup www.hackaday.com |
| 19:26.51 | kergoth`work | prpplague: heh, mvista has cvs w/ quilt patchsets in it for its old trees.. |
| 19:26.59 | kergoth`work | this one has a series of 2500 patches |
| 19:27.04 | kergoth`work | cant wait to move to git |
| 19:27.08 | prpplague | wow |
| 19:27.30 | CosmicPenguin | I used to do that |
| 19:27.31 | prpplague | we still use cvs in house for our kernel stuff |
| 19:27.35 | CosmicPenguin | yay stgit1 |
| 19:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | boo shift key |
| 19:29.05 | prpplague | goes to lunch |
| 19:29.06 | kergoth`work | i hate patches in scm |
| 19:29.13 | kergoth`work | going through logs reading diffs of diffs |
| 19:29.17 | kergoth`work | CosmicPenguin: tried out topgit? |
| 19:29.33 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 19:29.59 | kergoth`work | with that one, you retain your history of patch modifications, unlike stgit's relying on reflog. its a different approach |
| 19:29.59 | CosmicPenguin | I'll have to check that out |
| 19:30.19 | CosmicPenguin | I dig stgit, but I'm not opposed to changing |
| 19:30.27 | kergoth`work | its really light |
| 19:30.39 | kergoth`work | one branch per patch, and you express dependencies between the patches |
| 19:30.52 | kergoth`work | then you can: git checkout t/foo; tg update |
| 19:31.03 | kergoth`work | and it merges over the new commits from the dependent topic branch to this one |
| 19:31.08 | kergoth`work | recursively |
| 19:31.49 | kergoth`work | CosmicPenguin: http://repo.or.cz/w/topgit.git?a=blob;f=README check the synopsis, shows example usage |
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| 20:00.24 | kergoth`work | debugging deadlocks without jtag sucks ass. |
| 20:05.41 | RobotGuy | Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh |
| 20:07.57 | RobotGuy | Konqueror is really anoying me. |
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| 20:15.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hey there! |
| 20:17.10 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 20:19.32 | prpplague | kergoth`work: hehe |
| 20:20.02 | prpplague | kergoth`work: hammer-jtag board might be just what you guys need |
| 20:22.40 | prpplague | kergoth`work: 10bastT ethernet 2 uarts for connectivity to the device, reset control line, power control line, and headers for buttons and led connectivity to the board |
| 20:23.47 | prpplague | kergoth`work: along with jtag of course |
| 20:27.51 | kergoth`work | nice |
| 20:29.15 | prpplague | i think that would work well for your board center |
| 20:29.34 | prpplague | the only item i've not figured out is the usb stuff |
| 20:39.29 | RobotGuy | Didj doesn't have Wifi, right? |
| 20:39.38 | prpplague | correct |
| 20:39.58 | prpplague | you probably could add a xg-181 module |
| 20:41.36 | RobotGuy | The XG-181 is SDIO. Looking for more specs now. |
| 20:42.10 | prpplague | xg-181 should be GSPI |
| 20:42.16 | prpplague | looks |
| 20:43.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.bye-wire.com/Products/Wireless-Modules-for-Embedded-Solutions/XG-181-SDIO-XG-181-SDIO |
| 20:43.48 | MothaWork | what exactly is GSPI? |
| 20:43.52 | prpplague | that is incorrect info |
| 20:44.57 | RobotGuy | Is that the one that is SPI/SDIO then? |
| 20:45.37 | RobotGuy | There is an XG-180M: http://www.bye-wire.com/Products/Wireless-Modules-for-Embedded-Solutions/IEEE-802-11b-g-Wireless-LAN-SDIO-SPI-module-XG-180 |
| 20:45.46 | prpplague | the 88w8385 can support cf/sdio/ and gspi |
| 20:46.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: XG-180 is the sdio version |
| 20:46.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: XG-181 is the GSPI version |
| 20:47.22 | adyer | I thought the gspi firmware had some extra secret mojo and was not publicly available |
| 20:47.39 | prpplague | adyer: its not publically available |
| 20:47.54 | prpplague | adyer: but i have the datasheets under NDA |
| 20:48.11 | g1powermac | hey RobotGuy |
| 20:48.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't seem to find good info on that one. |
| 20:48.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just get the same kind of info, which is not right. |
| 20:48.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i said, it is the same exact module as the XG-180, just two resistors changed to make it XG-181 |
| 20:49.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, just interfaces different. |
| 20:49.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Any chance of me being able to get my mitts on an XG-181? |
| 20:50.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you could try zcomax |
| 20:50.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, will try them. I am really interested in a module like that for WiFi. |
| 20:51.17 | prpplague | you and about 50000000000000 others |
| 20:51.52 | MothaWork | SPI interfaced Wifi/BT supported in-tree by Linux would be pretty killer |
| 20:52.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you think there might be SPI available on the cartridge of the Didj? |
| 20:52.43 | prpplague | just need some gpios |
| 20:53.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: BT stuff isn't via spi, most of that is via uart or usb |
| 20:53.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: like the wi2wi module |
| 20:53.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: it has bt and wifi, but the wifi is seperate inside the silicon |
| 20:53.52 | prpplague | MonMotha: even has seperate power rails |
| 20:54.14 | RobotGuy | has a nice BT serial DILL module. |
| 20:54.19 | RobotGuy | s/DILL/DIL/ |
| 20:54.35 | g1powermac | mmm, dill |
| 20:54.55 | RobotGuy | feels like he's in a pickle today. ;:( |
| 20:55.02 | g1powermac | now I'm in the mood for some matzah ball soup, dang you RobotGuy ;-) |
| 20:55.42 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Hee hee, I just had a nice lunch at McMenimin's |
| 20:56.21 | RobotGuy | Didn't eat at Shari's today, like usualy, because I have a very strong dislike for the manager working there today. |
| 20:56.40 | g1powermac | really could go for some authentic kosher food. . . |
| 20:56.59 | RobotGuy | In fact, I rolled out of Shari's without getting anything. |
| 20:57.10 | g1powermac | these people out here can't make a freikin good bagel even if you paid them $1000 |
| 20:57.22 | RobotGuy | My day has turned out to be really flustrating so far. :( :( |
| 20:57.53 | g1powermac | mine has been alot of work |
| 20:58.03 | g1powermac | been putting up a chain link fence around our garden |
| 20:58.35 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 21:01.53 | RobotGuy | feels like running away |
| 21:02.10 | kergoth`work | CosmicPenguin: what's your wiggle workflow/ do you use --replace? or review the diff first? |
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| 21:11.43 | kergoth`work | arg, struggled with this one bug all day |
| 21:12.45 | MothaWork | prpplague: UART is acceptable, USB is minimally acceptable. I'm just looking for a single module (antenna switch integrated if need be) that is basically a true digital domain to antenna interface. UART for BT, SPI for WiFi, and connect antenna here, possibly with a matching network or balun |
| 21:13.04 | MothaWork | and yes, our Marvell rep has mentioned the wi2wi module |
| 21:13.12 | MothaWork | she has also kinda steered us away from it |
| 21:13.24 | prpplague | MothaWork: why is that? |
| 21:14.19 | kergoth`work | dont suppose anyone happens to be an expert on the mv643xx ethernet functionality |
| 21:14.19 | prpplague | kergoth`work: hate it when you spend all day on a bug |
| 21:14.19 | kergoth`work | especially with little progress |
| 21:14.19 | kergoth`work | feels like i'm not pulling my weight |
| 21:14.23 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:14.59 | prpplague | kergoth`work: i spent the whole weekend working on the omap ICEPick stuff, didn't really finish anything, but discovered alot of info |
| 21:15.06 | MothaWork | prpplague: not sure. Something about lack of "support" |
| 21:15.10 | prpplague | kergoth`work: still felt like a no-win weekend |
| 21:15.11 | kergoth`work | well at least you learned something, thats something |
| 21:15.17 | kergoth`work | yea, know how that is |
| 21:15.27 | prpplague | MothaWork: indeed there is almost no supprot |
| 21:15.32 | MothaWork | something about the driver is a binary blob that is almost impossible to get working, and the source costs megadollars |
| 21:15.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: and the stuff they do provide is total misinformation |
| 21:15.47 | MothaWork | awesome |
| 21:16.00 | MothaWork | we are quite capable of writing drivers here, if given the necessary documentation |
| 21:16.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: works fine with the libertas driver |
| 21:16.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Does Zcomax sell that XG-181? I can't seem to find anything past the front page of that site. |
| 21:16.15 | prpplague | for the wifi portion |
| 21:16.19 | MothaWork | hum, then maybe her info is old |
| 21:16.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: the BT is a standard CSR, even works with the standard linux CSR usb BT driver |
| 21:17.04 | kergoth`work | i wish 2.6.10 had working spinlock debugging |
| 21:17.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes, we purchase the XG-180 and XG-181 from them |
| 21:17.12 | kergoth`work | i could really use it about now, but the backport will probably be unpleasant |
| 21:17.17 | RobotGuy | thinks Sony made a big mistake by not putting stereo capable BT in the PSP. |
| 21:17.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't seem to figure out their website. :( |
| 21:17.42 | MothaWork | ok, here's what I don't get: Why is bluetooth capabilities (like stereo audio) so tied to the hardware? |
| 21:17.57 | MothaWork | just give me a damned radio that lets me move bits from one place to the other |
| 21:18.23 | prpplague | MothaWork: you basically have two options for BT audio |
| 21:18.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: if you use the standard PCM interface you have to tie it to an audio codec for processing |
| 21:18.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: much like the BT on the neo1973 phone |
| 21:19.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: but if you connect the BT via the usb interface |
| 21:19.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: the BT audio portion works in a smiliar fashion as a usb audio device |
| 21:19.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: the data is encapsualted in the usb protocol |
| 21:20.14 | MothaWork | prpplague: proving once again that bluetooth is so horribly misdesigned that it should go away NOW |
| 21:20.25 | prpplague | i think there is a block diagram of the audio interface for the neo |
| 21:20.26 | kergoth`work | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4590767260.html looks cute |
| 21:20.32 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:20.39 | RobotGuy | looks |
| 21:20.48 | MothaWork | it's rather telling that the IEEE 802.15 group adopted it as 802.15.1 then unanimously (!!) agreed to never do that again |
| 21:21.15 | prpplague | kergoth`work: indeed not sure if it is the arm11 support or just modularity that people like for the Bug stuff |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth`work | the modularity is cute, people are lazy after all |
| 21:22.11 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: It doesn't have to be lazy people. |
| 21:22.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_ALSA_Mapping.png |
| 21:22.50 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: Maybe somebody just wants something easy to use and work with. |
| 21:22.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: you can see the neo uses the pcm interface from the BT |
| 21:23.33 | kergoth`work | RobotGuy: arguably, that comes back to laziness too. a difficult to use product will still get there eventually, just with a larger time investment :) |
| 21:23.34 | MothaWork | prpplague: every time I attempt to look into BT, I am reminded of how much of a hack it is |
| 21:23.48 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: It doesn' |
| 21:23.50 | MothaWork | prpplague: sadly, the market demands it |
| 21:23.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: we are using the usb interface because our primary usage is to talk to BT enable printers |
| 21:24.01 | prpplague | MonMotha: indeed |
| 21:24.08 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: That's BS. It doesn't have to have anything to do with laziness. |
| 21:24.38 | kergoth`work | i'll pretend you've convinced me, so you'll shut up about it, now |
| 21:24.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:25.20 | kergoth`work | goes back to banging his head against the wall |
| 21:26.12 | RobotGuy | kergoth`work: I do not find that funny or entertaining. I'm SICK of people with attitudes such asthis. |
| 21:26.28 | kergoth`work | is this the part where i act like i care what you'er sick of? |
| 21:26.31 | kergoth`work | rolls eyes |
| 21:26.55 | kergoth`work | no point arguing about something if neither party is going to convince the other |
| 21:26.58 | kergoth`work | waste of time |
| 21:28.46 | chouimat | hi kergoth`work |
| 21:28.59 | kergoth`work | hey chouimat, how's it going? |
| 21:29.59 | chouimat | kergoth`work: enjoying my vacation so far ... my mother was here since saturday and she left this afternoon (it wasn't as bad as last time) so I guess I will enjoy my last day tomorrow ;) |
| 21:30.08 | kergoth`work | ahh nice |
| 21:30.21 | chouimat | took 3 days off :) |
| 21:31.11 | chouimat | kergoth`work: and I will have a lot of good food for the rest of the week ;) and a few bottles of wine to finish too =) |
| 21:31.11 | kergoth`work | think i'll do that the week after next. after these painful bugs i'll need a break |
| 21:33.29 | chouimat | kergoth`work: I currently porting the infrastructure of the product to a few new boards and taking over a guy who didn't left a lot of notes is not really fun |
| 21:34.24 | kergoth`work | heh, know how that is :\ infrastructure really needs to be documented, never know when you'll be hit by a bus |
| 21:36.37 | chouimat | or leave the company to go back to school in a complete different field |
| 21:36.54 | prpplague | i wonder if adding some more plug and play style modules to the hammer would help the sales |
| 21:37.05 | prpplague | bug labs stuff is still pretty expensive |
| 21:37.14 | kergoth`work | yeah it is |
| 21:37.20 | kergoth`work | too much so for the hobbiest, at least |
| 21:37.21 | chouimat | prpplague: true but extremely interesting ... |
| 21:37.33 | kergoth`work | http://consumerist.com/5047237/motts-will-help-you-water-down-your-juice-if-you-like <-bs |
| 21:38.11 | chouimat | finally received the stuff he forgot to order with the beagleboard |
| 21:38.23 | prpplague | chouimat: are the modules for the bug labs stuff hot-swappable? |
| 21:38.34 | prpplague | chouimat: oh you got a beagle? |
| 21:38.41 | prpplague | chouimat: for work or play? |
| 21:39.15 | chouimat | prpplague: play ... only an armv7 was missing from my collection :) |
| 21:39.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:39.38 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm looking for someone to tinker with the flyswatter and the beagle board |
| 21:39.43 | prpplague | chouimat: you game? |
| 21:40.54 | chouimat | prpplague: I think I have the time :) |
| 21:41.22 | prpplague | chouimat: i'd expect some serious feedback, but it would include a flyswatter and beagle board adapters |
| 21:41.48 | prpplague | i need someone who has the DM355 or other davinci dev board too |
| 21:43.38 | chouimat | prpplague: I will talk to you about this later or tomorrow ... food time and I think I will go play some pool tonight :) |
| 21:43.48 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe np |
| 21:43.56 | prpplague | chouimat: give me a /msg when you have time |
| 21:44.04 | prpplague | chouimat: have a rickards for me |
| 21:50.09 | prpplague | solar: cases are here\ |
| 21:50.30 | prpplague | solar: oh they are dandy |
| 21:51.24 | solar | yeah cool. |
| 21:51.43 | solar | mine were in flordia somewhere last night when I checked |
| 21:51.58 | prpplague | solar: you order a couple of the same cases? |
| 21:52.10 | prpplague | solar: datasheet was wrong too |
| 21:52.11 | solar | oh sorry. your pkg got sent via USPS vs UPS/FedEx. |
| 21:52.19 | prpplague | solar: np |
| 21:53.46 | prpplague | solar: these cases are dandy |
| 21:54.37 | prpplague | solar: about the x/y as a ipaq, just a little taller on th ez |
| 21:54.40 | prpplague | on the z |
| 21:54.55 | solar | prpplague; the case is that small? |
| 21:55.28 | prpplague | solar: fits in the hand perfect, imho |
| 21:55.39 | solar | got a m3950 you can just sit in it for an aspect to ratio pic? |
| 21:56.10 | prpplague | solar: yea, i'll get some pics together at the house this evening |
| 21:57.40 | prpplague | solar: the current M5930 is 47.1 mm x 84.1 mm |
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| 21:59.01 | prpplague | solar: we'd need to shorten it just a little and widen it just a little to 50.1mm x 71.1mm |
| 22:02.08 | prpplague | solar: yea this looks reall good |
| 22:02.48 | prpplague | solar: you made a good choice on the case |
| 22:07.57 | prpplague | solar: ok, so the pcb will fit inside the pactec case _and_ the same board will fit in an altoid case |
| 22:08.23 | prpplague | solar: i'll cut a proto pcb tomorrow to test fitting ti |
| 22:11.25 | solar | nice |
| 22:16.29 | prpplague | heads home |
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| 23:06.13 | prpplague_zzz | okie dokie |
| 23:06.25 | prpplague | solar give a couple minutes to takes some picks |
| 23:09.38 | solar | sure. I was just finishing up at work myself. Installing the final server of the day |
| 23:10.03 | solar | last server of a nightmare project |
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| 23:29.05 | prpplague | solar http://www.elinux.org/Azulie |
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| 23:35.28 | ce_geek | Howdy all |
| 23:35.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: What's shakin'? |
| 23:38.24 | prpplague | solar http://www.elinux.org/AzulTiburon |
| 23:38.28 | prpplague | ce_geek hey bud |
| 23:38.39 | prpplague | ce_geek hows life treating outside academia? |
| 23:38.53 | ce_geek | prpplague: It's amazing, it really is. |
| 23:39.02 | ce_geek | prpplague: I've been busy playing catchup with my personal life. |
| 23:39.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:39.18 | prpplague | ce_geek indeed that can happen |
| 23:39.20 | ce_geek | prpplague: Unfortunately my personal life is a good distance from me right now, I've put 10k miles on my truck since I started :-/ |
| 23:39.54 | prpplague | doh |
| 23:39.55 | ce_geek | prpplague: How is TCT doing in general? Getting any good feedback from the other testers? |
| 23:39.57 | prpplague | ce_geek btdt |
| 23:40.11 | prpplague | ce_geek not really, sales on the hammer are slower than expected |
| 23:40.18 | prpplague | ce_geek the beagle board seems to be the hot item |
| 23:40.23 | ce_geek | prpplague: Snap. |
| 23:40.30 | prpplague | ce_geek which is almost all upper end software |
| 23:40.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: I see the adapter kit... where's the board itself? |
| 23:40.42 | prpplague | ce_geek and the lower end guys are all gaga over the arduino stuff |
| 23:40.53 | prpplague | ce_geek beagle isn't our board |
| 23:40.58 | ce_geek | :( |
| 23:41.03 | prpplague | ce_geek its by a different company |
| 23:41.28 | prpplague | ce_geek seems more companies are interested in our tools and expertise than the actual hammer |
| 23:41.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: Lovely. |
| 23:41.41 | prpplague | ce_geek we've sold about 20:1 flyswatters to hammers |
| 23:41.59 | ce_geek | prpplague: The flyswatter is a sweet rig for all things JTAG, yes. |
| 23:42.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm sorry to hear the hammer's not doing as well. |
| 23:42.26 | prpplague | ce_geek i have a next gen unit in the works for the flyswatter actually based on the hammer |
| 23:42.38 | ce_geek | prpplague; How are the other folks benefitting from the expertise? Did they really get a lot from the hammer stuff? |
| 23:42.40 | prpplague | ce_geek basically a flyswatter on steriods |
| 23:43.07 | prpplague | ce_geek more so like for the beagle, we are doing adapters and openocd support for the beagle |
| 23:43.24 | prpplague | ce_geek and in return the beagle folks recommend the flyswatter |
| 23:43.49 | prpplague | solar and i are doing a small avr based design |
| 23:43.52 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/AzulTiburon |
| 23:43.53 | ce_geek | prpplague: What do you mean by openocd support? |
| 23:44.17 | prpplague | ce_geek the beagle is based on a cortex-a8 core which doesn't have complete open source jtag debugging support |
| 23:44.22 | prpplague | ce_geek i'm writing that now |
| 23:44.30 | ce_geek | Ah |
| 23:44.40 | prpplague | ce_geek so they get free jtag debugging, we get to sell the debugging tools |
| 23:45.07 | ce_geek | Good, good. |
| 23:45.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: Did the beagle board start as a simultaneous development project or did they get the idea from hammer? |
| 23:46.32 | prpplague | ce_geek different project all together |
| 23:46.58 | prpplague | ce_geek i just was following the project and when they complained about not having jtag, i stepped in |
| 23:47.15 | ce_geek | prpplague: Gotcha. |
| 23:47.55 | ce_geek | prpplague: Seems like there are still some advantages to the hammer. It's smaller, which could be key. |
| 23:48.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: But that likely only appeals to a small group perhaps. |
| 23:48.26 | ce_geek | prpplague: What about I/O? |
| 23:48.40 | prpplague | ce_geek yea, the beagle really seems to appeal to software developers doing multimedia |
| 23:49.04 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yuk. |
| 23:49.16 | prpplague | ce_geek almost no expansion i/o on the beagle, really only usb and a handful of gpios |
| 23:49.48 | prpplague | ce_geek yea |
| 23:49.48 | ce_geek | prpplague; I still have so much to learn from Hammer, I'm just now starting to slow down a bit so I can spend the time reading my LDD book and get back up to speed. |
| 23:50.36 | prpplague | ce_geek yea, i'm sorry about you not getting a eval kit, the boss has put a hold on giving out evals for a little while |
| 23:50.44 | ce_geek | prpplague: Understandable. |
| 23:50.53 | prpplague | ce_geek he gave out bunch and didn't see too much return |
| 23:51.12 | ce_geek | prpplague: I backed off a bit too because I knew it would be a while before I got back into it. |
| 23:51.52 | ce_geek | prpplague: I actually bought a nail board. One day on lunch at work I just decided to do it so I will have fewer excuses not to get back to it. |
| 23:52.26 | ce_geek | prpplague: However, now, in order to do the things I want to, I need to find the time to go make a digikey order to get all the prototyping things I need so I can do my I/O stuff with it. |
| 23:52.46 | ce_geek | prpplague: I loved that setup I had made for that class project, I should have tried twisting his arm harder so I could keep it. |
| 23:53.28 | prpplague | ce_geek oh cool |
| 23:53.51 | prpplague | ce_geek hehe yea the nail is a pretty nice dev board |
| 23:54.05 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm impressed. Lots of power in a tiny package, really. |
| 23:55.22 | prpplague | yep, mostly landley's idea, i just put the hardware together |
| 23:56.21 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm wanting to build an opto-isolation package to buffer the thing from the outside world so I won't be so nervous about zapping some of the I/O pins, especially once I start driving motors with it. |
| 23:57.04 | ce_geek | prpplague: I dunno how many PIC chips I zapped while doing my senior project (oopsie) |
| 23:57.05 | prpplague | ahh cool |
| 23:57.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: Back-emf is a bastard. |
| 23:57.23 | prpplague | yea thats not too hard, i think i have a good schematic for that at the office |
| 23:57.32 | prpplague | i'll see if i can find that tomorrow |
| 23:57.48 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay. Mind if I send you a reminder email? |
| 23:58.38 | prpplague | np, danders@tincantools.com |
| 23:58.51 | ce_geek | prpplague; I just sent one to the amltd.com addy.... tincantools better? |
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| 23:59.05 | solar | prpplague: not sure what the name means. But I sure like the first hit in google. http://www.azulspa.com/ |
| 23:59.33 | ce_geek | solar: Me too. |
