| 00:00.08 | prpplague | HcE: naw, i stopped years ago, it tended to be a flame fest for awhile |
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| 00:00.13 | HcE | ah |
| 00:00.18 | HcE | it is very well behaved now |
| 00:00.23 | prpplague | HcE: won't be avr32 but several other arm devices |
| 00:00.32 | HcE | ARM testing is good |
| 00:00.36 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:00.46 | HcE | i386, MIPS and PowerPC would be nice too |
| 00:00.56 | HcE | they are the most common archs AFAIK |
| 00:01.19 | prpplague | yea, cosmic might be able to test on x86, but i generally do arm dev |
| 00:01.51 | HcE | I have some ARM kits laying around, but I like the AVR32 better ;) |
| 00:02.26 | HcE | but I am subjective |
| 00:02.34 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 00:04.01 | prpplague | i'll run some tests on monday, if i can confirm with a couple people, i'll see about getting it mergered |
| 00:04.04 | HcE | but, off to bed |
| 00:04.05 | prpplague | merged |
| 00:04.08 | prpplague | HcE: later |
| 00:04.09 | HcE | 0200 here, too much cognac |
| 00:04.21 | prpplague | HcE: np, having a belgian ale myself |
| 00:18.05 | ds2 | wow people talking on a Saturday afternoon |
| 00:22.18 | prpplague | ds2: hey bud |
| 00:22.41 | prpplague | ds2: got icepcik pretty close to working on the davinci |
| 00:27.45 | ds2 | prpplague: nice... is this reverse engineering or you got the docs? |
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| 00:43.40 | MonMotha | that reminds me, I need to find some AVR32 hardware to play with |
| 00:49.44 | RobotGuy | solar: ping |
| 00:50.16 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: NGW100 kit? |
| 00:52.42 | prpplague | ds2: sort of RE, since i'm using the BDI config file data to do the init |
| 00:54.30 | MonMotha | RobotGuy: oh, there's plenty of options |
| 00:54.53 | MonMotha | I might be able to swing a STK1000 free. We use Atmel stuff at work a fair bit. |
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| 01:01.22 | roxfan | RE ftw \o/ |
| 01:04.03 | solar | RobotGuy: whats up? |
| 01:05.13 | RobotGuy | solar: I found something that might interest you: http://www.axialracing.com/ftp/ax10/ |
| 01:05.56 | RobotGuy | solar: As a platform. |
| 01:10.16 | solar | that might work good. |
| 01:10.17 | solar | thanks |
| 01:11.16 | RobotGuy | solar: I thought it might. :) |
| 01:11.45 | RobotGuy | I saw one of the RTR models and it looks pretty nice. |
| 01:13.58 | RobotGuy | solar: There are videos of it in action on YouTube. |
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| 01:16.11 | solar | I just watched one |
| 01:20.00 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 01:20.37 | RobotGuy | The ARTR and the Kit comes with some better parts than the RTR has. |
| 01:26.59 | solar | I'm not sure that will let me move right and left fwd,rev at the same time |
| 01:27.18 | solar | making a quick 180 a bit harder |
| 01:29.53 | RobotGuy | solar: There are loads of parts that would let you build what you want from the kit. Including split right/left drive trains. |
| 01:31.06 | RobotGuy | I was even talking to the hobby store guy about AWD (Independent). |
| 01:32.03 | RobotGuy | solar: If you wanted to go super extreme, you could go for AWD and AWS. :) |
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| 05:01.35 | solar | http://mybitbox.com/view.php?p=11 (Esquire E-Ink code disassembled) |
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| 05:12.07 | ds2 | whoa, it is available already!? |
| 05:44.19 | solar | ds2: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/09/how_to_get_the_code_off_t.html |
| 05:46.19 | ds2 | solar: I saw the other link you pasted; I thought the Oct issue won't be on sale til Oct |
| 05:46.58 | solar | I guess. But the screen is quite a bit smaller than I thought it was going to be |
| 05:47.19 | ds2 | me too, I thought it'd be the entire front cover |
| 05:48.43 | MonMotha | well, if they didn't want it dumped, they should have enabled the readback lock |
| 05:50.16 | ds2 | like laptops that aren't meant to be stolen should have been locked down? ;) |
| 05:50.39 | MonMotha | ds2: I wouldn't say that |
| 05:51.02 | MonMotha | this doesn't mean that it's legit to redistribute the code, but really, the mechanisms are there and well understood |
| 05:51.13 | MonMotha | I have little sympathy for them if they come out and say they didn't want it modifid |
| 05:51.56 | MonMotha | if you fail to lock your doors and somebody robs you, what they did is still a crime, but you're also an idiot |
| 05:56.22 | solar | MonMotha: they want ppl to. http://www.esquire.com/the-side/video/hacking-the-e-ink-cover |
| 05:59.53 | ds2 | what is the pic suppose to do? |
| 06:01.04 | solar | just make it flash |
| 06:01.26 | ds2 | so the pic does not have the electronics to drive the eink? |
| 06:01.50 | solar | http://www.flickr.com/photos/21504926@N06/2849391984/in/set-72157607232981684/ |
| 06:03.15 | ds2 | okay... I now have a $150 + many hours of work LED flasher(!) |
| 06:04.26 | solar | Looks like it costs around ~$5.50 |
| 06:05.07 | solar | last comment in the blog postedhas some guy saying he is trying it with a diff microcontroler |
| 06:05.30 | ds2 | no no... the $150 comment is about me turning another board into a LED flasher =) |
| 06:05.54 | solar | oh. |
| 06:06.06 | solar | http://staticfree.info/projects/esquire_e-ink/ (looks like he got further than others) |
| 06:06.26 | ds2 | but how did you figure $5.50? specifically, how much are you allocating to the eink patch? |
| 06:07.35 | ds2 | Ohhhh the eink stuff is fixed images... I thought they were dot matrix |
| 06:08.12 | solar | 5.50 is what it will be selling for. Not it's value in parts clearly :) |
| 06:08.41 | ds2 | I was hoping you had some special insight on the costs of those parts |
| 06:09.18 | solar | nope. |
| 06:09.58 | ds2 | so am I correct in that the images on the eink is fixed? i.e. they are not a dot matrix |
| 06:13.13 | solar | yeah I don't think so |
| 06:13.57 | ds2 | that'd probally make it more inexpensive |
| 06:16.11 | solar | http://neoluxiim.com/english/sub/products_07.php (samples. Maybe free?) |
| 06:18.09 | ds2 | aren't those prices? |
| 06:18.23 | ds2 | 500 USD, 250USD, etc |
| 06:19.05 | solar | look at the pricing sheet they must be. |
| 06:19.12 | solar | yikes. |
| 06:19.41 | ds2 | there are no cheap ways to mess with eink :( |
| 06:20.10 | solar | cept the esquire 3,11 segmented displays |
| 06:20.37 | ds2 | that's not a full blown display |
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| 17:02.03 | RobotGuy | Greetings Programs! |
| 17:02.31 | RobotGuy | And "Beep Beep" to all the artificial life forms. |
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| 17:11.35 | Mirell_ | Heh |
| 17:13.08 | RobotGuy | Mirell: Hi |
| 17:32.33 | RobotGuy | I am really starting to not like Linux (any distro). |
| 17:32.54 | HcE | hihi |
| 17:33.00 | RobotGuy | HcE: Hi |
| 17:33.05 | HcE | Make your own OS? ;) |
| 17:33.41 | RobotGuy | HcE: I'm almost tempted to go do LFS/BLFS again. Can't be much more of a headache, and I have done them before. |
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| 18:54.31 | solar | want to bet |
| 18:55.43 | solar | just spent the last few days cross compiling 828 misc pkgs that can be used on arm |
| 18:56.12 | RobotGuy | I've done LFS/BLFS, and I still prefer Gentoo. |
| 18:56.37 | RobotGuy | Cool on the cross compiles! |
| 18:57.22 | RobotGuy | I need to get back to the cross compile issue with Python modules that have C/C++ extensions. That really needs to be fixed. |
| 19:39.10 | chouimat | is still natively compiling redhat es5 on arm ... |
| 19:39.25 | RobotGuy | That must take awhile to do. |
| 19:39.36 | RobotGuy | What CPU/speed? |
| 19:39.45 | chouimat | RobotGuy: yes but I'm paid for doing it ... 500MHz |
| 19:40.10 | solar | chouimat: don't blade ya. native compiles are nearly always better |
| 19:40.29 | solar | No mixed results. No risk of getting sizeof() macros wrong. |
| 19:40.33 | chouimat | solar: and crosscompiling rpm is a pain in the ass |
| 19:40.50 | solar | s/blade/blame |
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| 20:28.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
| 20:28.25 | g1powermac | wow, this is interesting |
| 20:28.34 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Howdy |
| 20:28.57 | g1powermac | just bought one of these fancy digital picture frames from brookstone for like $50 |
| 20:29.11 | RobotGuy | Hackable? |
| 20:29.18 | g1powermac | besides the really nice lcd it has, it uses an x86 cpu. . . |
| 20:29.33 | RobotGuy | Really? Interesting. Via based board? |
| 20:29.37 | g1powermac | no |
| 20:29.45 | g1powermac | the chip is a sq812b |
| 20:29.52 | g1powermac | not much info is available on the chip |
| 20:30.02 | g1powermac | but I do have a product brief and a complete pinout |
| 20:30.18 | RobotGuy | Hmm |
| 20:30.20 | RobotGuy | How fast? |
| 20:30.24 | RobotGuy | Memory? |
| 20:31.03 | RobotGuy | I think I need to go to the ER. This hematoma is not getting better. |
| 20:31.07 | g1powermac | http://www.sq.com.tw/english/platform.htm |
| 20:31.23 | g1powermac | 108mhz |
| 20:31.45 | RobotGuy | Durn |
| 20:33.57 | g1powermac | hmm, trying to figure out the ram |
| 20:34.10 | g1powermac | this is the only other major chip on the board: http://www.szraysun.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_ProductID=c373e91ae19394e38f6ae15d1e73fba3&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false |
| 20:35.05 | g1powermac | btw, this picture frame also uses a sd/mmc/ms card slot |
| 20:46.35 | g1powermac | hmm, no jtag on this chip |
| 20:48.00 | RobotGuy | Well, I'm off to the ER. :( BBIAW. |
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| 21:07.55 | g1powermac | man, the lcd on this thing is just amazing |
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| 21:16.08 | g1powermac | this is it: http://www.brookstone.com/sl/product/5925-my-life-digital-picture-show-3-frame.html |
| 21:16.44 | g1powermac | the thing also has a usb port |
| 21:20.55 | g1powermac | real world shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2856772099/ |
| 21:21.28 | g1powermac | kept the lighting low in that shot so you can really see the lcd screen |
| 21:21.53 | g1powermac | the thing really matches my imac quite nicely :-) |
| 21:22.31 | HcE | big frame around the screen IMHO |
| 21:22.56 | g1powermac | yea, but that doesn't matter ;-) |
| 21:23.08 | HcE | =) |
| 21:23.26 | HcE | wonders why SSD 2.5" drives does not come with PATA interface |
| 21:23.33 | HcE | I need a new disk for my laptop :/ |
| 21:24.13 | HcE | at least, I have not found anyone bigger than 32 GB |
| 21:24.19 | HcE | I would like ~128 GB |
| 21:31.32 | solar | g1powermac: what it have onboard hardware wise? |
| 21:49.06 | g1powermac | solar, not 100% sure |
| 21:49.29 | g1powermac | there is a sdram chip as I mentioned earlier with that link to a pic of it |
| 21:49.41 | g1powermac | but there is no info on that chip whatsoever |
| 21:50.12 | g1powermac | I think there's a possible flash chip on it, but when removing some tape that covered the chip, it removed the markings on the chip |
| 21:50.44 | g1powermac | but I must say the lcd screen on this thing is remarkable |
| 21:50.53 | g1powermac | as clear as the lcd in my imac |
| 21:52.33 | solar | cool. Sometimes devices are good as is. |
| 21:55.21 | g1powermac | never! ;-) |
| 21:55.41 | solar | was wondering if I was going to be hit with a pie or some such for that statement |
| 21:56.40 | g1powermac | anyway, lets see if I can get any other info out of the manufacturer |
| 21:57.09 | g1powermac | of the sq812b chip |
| 21:59.05 | g1powermac | would be nice to get a real datasheet |
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| 22:06.35 | g1powermac | its interesting, they provide a full pinout but not a full datasheet |
| 22:36.21 | g1powermac | prpplague, you around? |
| 22:52.52 | prpplague | g1powermac: sorta |
| 22:52.57 | prpplague | doing some coding |
| 22:53.00 | prpplague | for openocd |
| 22:53.39 | g1powermac | ahh, k |
| 22:54.29 | g1powermac | just wanted to ask you when you have free time if you could see if you could find any further info on the sq912b chip |
| 22:54.42 | g1powermac | I've pretty much exhausted what I could find |
| 22:55.12 | prpplague | g1powermac: what up? |
| 22:55.55 | g1powermac | I bought myself this today: http://www.brookstone.com/sl/product/5925-my-life-digital-picture-show-3-frame.html |
| 22:56.02 | prpplague | send me an email with the info you have |
| 22:56.05 | g1powermac | it has this x86 SoC on it |
| 22:56.23 | g1powermac | k |
| 22:56.32 | g1powermac | whats your email addy again? |
| 22:57.12 | g1powermac | bbiab |
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| 22:58.18 | g1powermac_PB | alright, back |
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| 23:21.39 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 23:21.39 | purl | you are probably mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 23:21.43 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* I think my powerbook is slowly dying |
| 23:21.51 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: thanks |
| 23:22.07 | kergoth | chouimat: |
| 23:23.28 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I'm going to write a blog post that will have all the info I have on the chip |
| 23:23.33 | g1powermac_PB | I'll send you the link to it |
| 23:27.00 | prpplague | ook |
| 23:31.43 | roxfan | i saw some reviews about new sony frame |
| 23:31.58 | roxfan | pretty expensive but got some cool stuff |
| 23:32.02 | roxfan | wifi, rss |
| 23:32.39 | roxfan | auto-flip is nice too |
| 23:32.47 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 23:33.55 | roxfan | er, bluetooth, not wifi it seems |
| 23:35.13 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, is there a log for this channel? |
| 23:35.39 | g1powermac_PB | I need to know what the sdram chip was that I mentioned |
| 23:36.26 | roxfan | when was that |
| 23:36.26 | roxfan | ? |
| 23:36.52 | g1powermac_PB | not long ago |
| 23:37.26 | g1powermac_PB | I was talking with RobotGuy around the time |
| 23:38.00 | roxfan | www.szraysun.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_ProductID=c373e91ae19394e38f6ae15d1e73fba3&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false |
| 23:38.05 | roxfan | was what you pasted |
| 23:38.43 | g1powermac_PB | yup, cool, thanks |
| 23:44.22 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: http://g1powermac.com/2008/09/15/brookstone-digital-picture-frame%e2%80%a6/ |
| 23:44.32 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I also have absolutely no info on the sdram chip |
| 23:44.50 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: log is at ibot.rikers.org |
| 23:46.12 | prpplague | hmm my laptop is a 1.6 GHz cpu but linux is reporting it running at 600MHz |
| 23:47.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: downclocked for power saving? |
| 23:47.12 | MonMotha | that feature is on by default in most modern distro kernels |
| 23:47.47 | prpplague | probably |
| 23:48.05 | prpplague | show you how long it has been since i did x86 stuff |
| 23:48.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: there a good starting place too look? ie a proc entry? |
| 23:49.02 | MonMotha | prpplague: probably :) |
| 23:49.05 | MonMotha | got powertop? |
| 23:49.26 | MonMotha | prpplague: the default scheme is usually 'ondemand', so it should upclock itself if you start using it |
| 23:51.17 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: k, thanks |
| 23:53.47 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: its interesting that this chip in the frame is an x86 chip |
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