| 00:31.31 | ds2 | *yawn* |
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| 01:20.12 | ds2 | what's j2re? |
| 01:20.28 | ds2 | oops |
| 01:29.40 | Madsy | On ARM, during an exception, are the register values copied into the banked registers? |
| 01:30.36 | prpplague | i'd have to check the arm arm, but iirc they do |
| 01:30.44 | roxfan | iirc you need to use ^ to access usermode regs |
| 01:31.49 | ds2 | stupid question but on the hammer, what was the rational not to partition the flash into 3 parts - APEX, Kernel, Rootfs? |
| 01:33.33 | prpplague | ds2: only to make the system stuff, readonly from linux |
| 01:33.38 | roxfan | smth like LDM R1, {R1-LR}^ |
| 01:33.48 | prpplague | ds2: but there is no reason someone has to stick with that |
| 01:34.06 | prpplague | ds2: thats just an example configuration |
| 01:34.23 | roxfan | erm, that's from memory to registers |
| 01:34.35 | roxfan | use stm if for regs->mem i guess |
| 01:34.44 | prpplague | ds2: technically by your suggestion it would actually be four |
| 01:35.04 | prpplague | ds2: bootloader,kernel,initrd, userspace jffs2 |
| 01:36.00 | Madsy | Hm, if they really are overwritten, I don't see how that could make sense. That would overwrite the stack pointer of the current mode? |
| 01:37.04 | ds2 | prpplague: the reason I am asking is because putting APEX and kernel together makes it a pain to upgrade the kernel from Linux |
| 01:37.25 | ds2 | I need to invoke a magic flash_erase command instead of a simple flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 |
| 01:37.35 | Madsy | roxfan: And no, "banked" means mutual exclusive. You can't access a register from another mode. |
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| 01:37.54 | prpplague | ds2: not really, you know the offset for the kernel |
| 01:38.02 | Madsy | Except for the shared ones (r0 - r7) + pc |
| 01:38.20 | prpplague | ds2: but like i said, there is no reason you have to stick with that |
| 01:39.01 | solar | prpplague: you see the scroll/let down about the epaper? |
| 01:39.05 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod* it is a simple 1-2 line patch in the mach file. |
| 01:39.15 | prpplague | solar: sorry no? |
| 01:39.38 | roxfan | i'm not sure if that's what you're asking but here's what the doc says... |
| 01:39.38 | roxfan | When an exception occurs, some of the standard registers are replaced with registers specific to the |
| 01:39.38 | roxfan | exception mode. All exception modes have replacement banked registers for R13 and R14. The fast |
| 01:39.38 | roxfan | interrupt mode has additional banked registers for fast interrupt processing. |
| 01:39.58 | prpplague | solar: url? info? |
| 01:40.11 | prpplague | i've been coding like crazy this weekend |
| 01:40.44 | solar | prpplague: sec searching. Here is the start. http://www.esquire.com/the-side/video/e-ink-cover-video |
| 01:42.07 | solar | prpplague: here was in the scroll however. http://rafb.net/p/abTiiG72.html |
| 01:42.44 | roxfan | esquire mag is so last week :) |
| 01:43.01 | ds2 | solar: who still has that? B&N was sold out |
| 01:43.26 | solar | ds2: no idea. I just ran across the link last night when I posted it in here |
| 01:43.38 | solar | I knew we all were looking forward to it |
| 01:44.02 | ds2 | solar: so you don't actually have a copy of it? |
| 01:44.07 | solar | roxfan: you are 6 days too late on saying it. |
| 01:44.19 | solar | ds2: nope not me. Those were the links I found about it. |
| 01:44.35 | roxfan | making the matrix pixel-addressable would raise the price much more than $3 or how much was it |
| 01:44.37 | prpplague | solar: yea, i started looking at some of the e-ink stuff a few months ago when the esquire mag was annouced |
| 01:44.54 | prpplague | solar: there is a OSS project for doing dev with e-ink |
| 01:45.01 | solar | yep |
| 01:45.03 | roxfan | motofone F3 uses display with fixed areas too |
| 01:45.17 | prpplague | iirc the channel is over on oftc |
| 01:45.18 | solar | think the matrix style ones are pretty much like a framebuffer device |
| 01:45.37 | prpplague | actually e-ink is very different |
| 01:45.48 | prpplague | there are some very difficult items as part of that |
| 01:46.05 | ds2 | they sell a kit with a gumstix |
| 01:46.10 | roxfan | if you want a copy, i can ask a guy who's sending me one |
| 01:46.13 | prpplague | only the very very latest controllers make the e-ink look like standard lcd |
| 01:46.17 | roxfan | he bought several |
| 01:46.29 | ds2 | roxfan: where are you? |
| 01:46.33 | roxfan | .be |
| 01:46.41 | ds2 | a bit far |
| 01:46.41 | roxfan | but he sends worldwide |
| 01:46.47 | ds2 | where is he? |
| 01:46.50 | roxfan | us |
| 01:46.59 | solar | that makes it easy |
| 01:47.12 | ds2 | where in the US! |
| 01:47.31 | ds2 | if he is say, in HI vs in CA it would make a difference |
| 01:47.36 | prpplague | http://www.mini-box.com/PicoLCD-4X20-Sideshow |
| 01:47.42 | prpplague | boy that would work well with the hammer |
| 01:47.47 | roxfan | http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29067 |
| 01:49.10 | ds2 | at least he's on the east coast |
| 01:49.25 | ds2 | otherwise, I'd blame him for the Oct issue selling out before Oct is here! |
| 01:49.36 | prpplague | wonder why not the USA? |
| 01:49.55 | solar | prpplague: looks to be binary only driver |
| 01:50.35 | prpplague | solar: the linux driver is binary only? |
| 01:50.48 | roxfan | solar, do you have a copy of the esquire code? |
| 01:51.09 | solar | prpplague: http://resources.mini-box.com/online/picolcd/4x20/lcdproc-bin-picolcd-20x4-0.5.2-cvs.tgz (unless you can find the cvs tree for it) |
| 01:51.50 | solar | roxfan: this is the best page I've seen on it. http://staticfree.info/projects/esquire_e-ink/ |
| 01:52.27 | ds2 | there is always chopping up a kindle |
| 01:52.27 | roxfan | don't see the code there... |
| 01:52.44 | prpplague | http://resources.mini-box.com/online/picolcd/4x20/lcdproc-picolcd20x4-0.5.2-cvs.tgz |
| 01:53.03 | roxfan | sony >> kindle :p |
| 01:55.19 | solar | prpplague: nevermind. that was easy enough. :) |
| 01:55.39 | solar | nice device. decent price |
| 01:58.10 | prpplague | yea, think i'll get rusty to order one so i can write a doc on using it with the hammer |
| 02:00.58 | prpplague | is disappointed in the amount of work he got done this weekend |
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| 02:44.51 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 03:39.41 | RobotGuy | Zippity Dooo Dah |
| 03:39.54 | RobotGuy | Has anyone done any hacking on the PSP? |
| 03:40.46 | flavioribeiro | by the way, anyone hacked any PoS device too? |
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| 04:08.13 | solar | cracks open a fat.tire |
| 04:08.40 | RobotGuy | would just like a really big meal |
| 04:09.12 | solar | RobotGuy: what happened at the ER? |
| 04:09.48 | RobotGuy | solar: All is well, according to the nurse practitioner, but I still have doubts about the scratched places on my arm. |
| 04:10.40 | RobotGuy | I had to roll from Sunset Transit to the ER because busses suck on Sunday. I found two walk signal buttons that can't be reached from a chair. |
| 04:11.02 | RobotGuy | I see my regular doctor tomorrow. |
| 04:12.54 | RobotGuy | buses that is. |
| 04:15.05 | RobotGuy | solar: Did you see my idea for the add-on shield module? |
| 04:15.12 | solar | nope. do tell. |
| 04:15.29 | solar | alreay have a semi request for another serial port. And thats it. |
| 04:15.43 | solar | which I think could be done with just a few pins anyway |
| 04:16.14 | RobotGuy | solar: I am thinking if all the shield I/Os can be brought to an edge connector of some sort that would stick out from the open part if the case, another module using the same case could be made that could handle two additional shields. |
| 04:16.18 | solar | RFID,DangerShield,BT,Audio,Motor,LCD,TouchScren? |
| 04:16.21 | RobotGuy | True |
| 04:16.37 | RobotGuy | DangerShield? |
| 04:17.08 | RobotGuy | TouchScreen would definitely be really nice. I can see applications for that for sure. |
| 04:17.22 | solar | kinda silly but. http://www.vimeo.com/909541 |
| 04:17.40 | solar | I don't see that much use myself in using a touchscreen with a MCU |
| 04:18.01 | solar | TS imo is more suited for the area of linux (tslib,evtouch) |
| 04:19.56 | RobotGuy | Durn, I don't get audio. |
| 04:20.59 | RobotGuy | I think it depends how the TS is implemented. Programmable keyboards, per application. Maybe one could create their own multi-touch. |
| 04:21.11 | solar | no big deal. It's just a shield with a few sliders, a few push buttons and a few leds |
| 04:22.18 | RobotGuy | solar: Fun inputs. :) Useful for audio mixing, dimming, etc. |
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| 06:49.31 | methril | hola |
| 06:54.46 | RobotGuy | aloh |
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| 11:16.17 | g1powermac | morning RobotGuy |
| 11:16.35 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: G'Mornin |
| 11:18.57 | RobotGuy | How are you? |
| 11:19.11 | g1powermac | not bad, and yourself? |
| 11:19.33 | RobotGuy | I'm OK, but more off balance than usual. |
| 11:20.14 | g1powermac | ahh, not good |
| 11:20.34 | RobotGuy | True. I hope it passes before I have to go out today. |
| 11:21.39 | RobotGuy | I may have accidently taken double of one of my medicines. :( |
| 11:24.32 | g1powermac | ouch |
| 11:26.39 | RobotGuy | Yeah. If that is what I did, it will pass. |
| 11:27.16 | RobotGuy | Yesterday, I found TWO walk signal buttons I could not reach. |
| 11:35.31 | RobotGuy | You have your ZipIt back now, right? |
| 11:36.11 | g1powermac | yup |
| 11:38.38 | RobotGuy | How is it working out for you? |
| 11:39.27 | RobotGuy | Have you seen the iPod Touch? |
| 11:51.10 | g1powermac | I've seen the original iPhone in person |
| 11:51.13 | g1powermac | its great |
| 11:51.26 | g1powermac | as for the zipit, I need to get back to hacking it |
| 11:53.29 | g1powermac | i'd still like to see if this digital picture frame is hackable |
| 11:57.51 | g1powermac | i wonder if I can somehow gain access to original firmware |
| 11:58.37 | g1powermac | its unfortunate that I'm missing half the markings on the possible flash chip |
| 12:00.29 | RobotGuy | Yes, that's a shame for sure. I would love to find an inexpensive hackable device that has the s3c2440a in it. |
| 12:04.27 | RobotGuy | is editing DNS control files |
| 12:09.10 | g1powermac | what I really need for this chip is the register descriptions |
| 12:09.22 | g1powermac | its got so many nice features |
| 12:13.10 | RobotGuy | Yes, it really does seem nice. |
| 12:13.30 | RobotGuy | No full datasheet, right? |
| 12:14.16 | g1powermac | yup |
| 12:14.33 | g1powermac | I got a pinout and a product brief |
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| 12:23.48 | RobotGuy | There must be a user manual somewhere for that chip. |
| 12:27.53 | RobotGuy | Well, I feel pretty crappy right now, so am going to get some food and go lay down for awhile. BBL |
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| 13:01.24 | Madsy | The question I asked yesterday regarding the ARM banked registers during exceptions. It seems that all the banked registers are left alone, except for lr/r14, which always points to the code prior the exception. |
| 13:01.47 | Madsy | And cpsr is saved in spsr. |
| 13:03.07 | Madsy | To restore the old registers, including pc and cpsr, one does a MOVS, SUBS or LDM |
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| 13:23.26 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:23.30 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 13:31.27 | Madsy | indeed |
| 13:50.56 | prpplague | man o man i have a bunch of work this week |
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| 15:25.05 | prpplague | frikker: greetings |
| 15:32.20 | frikker | hello prpplague |
| 15:36.05 | prpplague | frikker: what brings you to #edev? |
| 15:36.38 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:40.00 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hey bud |
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| 15:40.40 | prpplague | greetings dale'ster |
| 15:41.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Greetings dave'ster :) |
| 15:41.19 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 15:41.39 | RobotGuy | I finally got X up on my new Gentoo install. :D |
| 15:42.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the EEdiot finally got x'd |
| 15:43.07 | RobotGuy | Oh, wow, excellent! |
| 15:43.35 | chouimat|work | prpplague and the rest is still alive? |
| 15:44.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What was the final straw? |
| 15:44.34 | prpplague | chouimat|work: for now, i gotta pull this project from the fire |
| 15:45.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the owner of the company came in to check on things, and when he found out that none of the new rev boards were working he freaked out |
| 15:45.22 | RobotGuy | Ooooooooooooooooh. |
| 15:45.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague Major OUCH |
| 15:45.52 | wmat | prpplague: blame the EE |
| 15:46.17 | prpplague | wmat: hehe in this case i can |
| 15:47.44 | prpplague | solar: give me a shout when you are awake |
| 15:48.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, I'm glad that EEdiot is finally gone. Maybe your stress level can be reduced now. :) |
| 15:49.03 | solar | prpplague: free shout |
| 15:49.19 | RobotGuy | solar: Good morning |
| 15:49.22 | prpplague | solar: ok got approval for 2 units only |
| 15:49.22 | solar | morn |
| 15:49.27 | prpplague | solar: that going to be enough? |
| 15:49.51 | solar | it will have to be. |
| 15:50.18 | prpplague | ok, i'll getting things organized to ship to you and the other person |
| 15:50.36 | prpplague | solar: the other guy reliable? |
| 15:53.22 | prpplague | just an open note to everyone, i'm gonna be push hard to get this M8050 out the door, so if there is anyone interest in helping out in exchange for some hardware, give me a shout |
| 15:54.52 | RobotGuy | wishes he could help. |
| 15:56.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea i need some stuff asap, don't have time for you to come up to speed |
| 15:56.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know. |
| 15:57.06 | RobotGuy | I have to get my Hammer and Arduino dev environments up on this new install. |
| 15:58.37 | solar | prpplague: miknix is. I am. The 3rd guy I had in mind I'm unsure of as his online-ability is limited. Really I'm almost 90% the way there now. It's just a matter of getting the initial image ready for testing. Then start the polishing up process. |
| 15:59.43 | prpplague | solar: okie dokie, just wanted to double check |
| 15:59.49 | solar | assuming that stays on track. We will work on EFL as well. |
| 15:59.59 | prpplague | EFL ? |
| 16:00.23 | solar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Foundation_Libraries |
| 16:00.29 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:00.37 | solar | required for eem.avi |
| 16:00.51 | prpplague | ahh gotcha |
| 16:03.31 | MothaWork | hum, have a couple boards here that the main oscillator isn't running on |
| 16:03.38 | MothaWork | can't for the life of me figure out why |
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| 16:04.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: what proc? |
| 16:05.11 | MothaWork | prpplague: SAM9263 |
| 16:05.19 | RobotGuy | BRB |
| 16:05.20 | MothaWork | of like 50 boards, 2 have non-running oscillators |
| 16:05.49 | MothaWork | the slow oscillator is running, and all the rails are correct |
| 16:06.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: you have some pF caps on the xtal, i.e. 18pf or so? |
| 16:06.43 | MothaWork | prpplague: oh yeah |
| 16:06.59 | MothaWork | people leave those off and expect it to run? on frequency? |
| 16:07.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: might try replacing them with testing with +-4pF each direction |
| 16:07.56 | MothaWork | if that were going to get it to run, I'd expect that tagging it with a scope probe would work, too |
| 16:07.59 | MothaWork | and it doesn't |
| 16:08.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've found occasionally there are variations in the capacitance of the board that can a influence it |
| 16:08.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: being held in reset? |
| 16:09.11 | MothaWork | prpplague: nope, reset is unasserted, and the oscillator runs on this micro even during reset |
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| 16:09.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh interesting |
| 16:09.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: slow ramp up of core voltages? |
| 16:10.24 | MothaWork | prpplague: not that I can see. I've caught the transients on a scope before, and it's pretty solid. |
| 16:10.33 | MothaWork | I guess I haven't checked *this* board |
| 16:12.23 | prpplague | lordy lordy, i wish i knew someone that does wince dev |
| 16:12.45 | RobotGuy | They might wince at the thought.. :) |
| 16:13.01 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 16:15.17 | MothaWork | prpplague: looks about like what I'm used to, and it's pretty reasonable |
| 16:15.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: interesting |
| 16:16.28 | prpplague | MonMotha: you using any battery methology on that? like the s3c24xx has a nBattfault signal that can cause a similiar condition |
| 16:18.07 | MothaWork | prpplague: all the power management stuff is pretty much disabled |
| 16:19.13 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:19.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: proc removable ? |
| 16:19.45 | MothaWork | prpplague: hell no :) |
| 16:19.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:19.56 | MothaWork | it's a monster microBGA |
| 16:21.51 | prpplague | lovely |
| 16:22.19 | MothaWork | indeed, always fun to work with |
| 16:22.29 | prpplague | one suggestion, try powering on the device while putting some even pressure on the top of the BGA package |
| 16:23.23 | MothaWork | yeah. These were in theory x-ray inspected, but that is still a possibility |
| 16:23.28 | MothaWork | they did get shipped, after all |
| 16:26.28 | MothaWork | well, that didn't seem to help any |
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| 16:44.12 | g1powermac | prpplague, were you able to find any more info on the sq812b? |
| 16:44.24 | kergoth`work | morning |
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| 16:52.42 | adye2 | MothaWork: is it the slow clock or the other one? |
| 16:53.53 | MothaWork | adye2: main oscillator (input to the PLL) |
| 16:53.56 | MothaWork | slow clock is running |
| 16:58.51 | adye2 | MothaWork: can you pull the xtal, wire some other freq. source to xin, and check if xout is running? |
| 16:59.18 | MothaWork | adye2: not without risking destruction of the board |
| 16:59.27 | MothaWork | the crystal is a tiny leadless thing |
| 16:59.53 | MothaWork | getting it off without tearing pads off is tough |
| 16:59.58 | adye2 | MothaWork: you don't have a hot air machine? two irons? |
| 17:00.17 | CosmicPenguin | a lighter and a lot of time? |
| 17:08.43 | MothaWork | adye2: no, we do not |
| 17:09.24 | MothaWork | I've popped these off before on an older rev with about 75% success, but these boards have pads that seem to come off very easily |
| 17:09.29 | MothaWork | also cramped quarters |
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| 17:11.31 | frikker | prpplague: sorry - i was afk |
| 17:11.41 | frikker | prpplague: i work with gumstix boards, so i lurk around here sometimes :) |
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| 17:18.16 | MothaWork | adye2: also, 4 pads on the crystal, not just 2, so two irons is still tricky |
| 17:21.21 | ds2 | 4 irons! |
| 17:21.58 | kergoth | morning |
| 17:23.40 | RobotGuy | How do I remove a pass phrase from ssh? |
| 17:25.03 | MothaWork | ds2: yeah....no |
| 17:25.32 | prpplague | frikker: ahh, listening in on the hammer dev? hehe |
| 17:25.56 | prpplague | MothaWork: no tweezer blades? |
| 17:26.15 | MothaWork | prpplague: nope |
| 17:26.22 | MothaWork | we have very little soldering equipment here |
| 17:26.31 | ds2 | MothaWork:get a sample of the antiflux/solder stuff from chipqwik |
| 17:26.45 | ds2 | it looked very useful at the trade show demo ;) |
| 17:30.29 | MothaWork | ds2: well, I could easily get it off the board, but I'd be worried about tearing pads off the board |
| 17:30.51 | MothaWork | the pads come off easily to begin with on these boards, and the lead free crap solder requires more heat to begin with |
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| 17:40.31 | ds2 | that stuff is preserves the board pretty well; the demo was removing 200+ pin count QFPs with a single iron |
| 17:42.07 | MothaWork | I've been told their stuff is decent |
| 17:44.12 | prpplague | solar: gonna load the image up shortly for testing |
| 17:44.58 | kergoth | prpplague: disconnecting the usb connector didnt help, and confirmed the ps is still good. definately the mb went toast. went and bought a macbook this weekend. my m ain machine is now a mac. i feel so dirty ;) |
| 17:45.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:45.24 | adye2 | MothaWork: xacto the trace, scrape back soldermask and tack down .030" wire? |
| 17:45.49 | MothaWork | adye2: if I tear the pad off the board, I've got maybe 30 mils worth of trace before it ends up underneath the BGA |
| 17:46.27 | MothaWork | everything looks so big and easy to work with on the CAD layout :) |
| 17:46.44 | adye2 | MothaWork: buy a carton of Marlboros and go hang out by the parking lot at Delco, bribe a tech? |
| 17:46.45 | MothaWork | I do have one thing I can try here |
| 17:48.17 | chouimat|work | kergoth: my main machine at home is a mac pro and I don't feel dirty :) |
| 17:48.52 | kergoth | chouimat|work: i'm pretty impressed so far actually, just a big change, first one i've ever owned |
| 17:49.00 | MothaWork | too bad our signal generator only goes up to 2MHz |
| 17:49.35 | chouimat|work | kergoth: I'm thinking of getting a macbook (for xmas or after) but I like the macpro huge and quiet :) |
| 17:49.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:50.02 | kergoth | i probably wouldve gone with the pro if i couldve afforded it, but this is good enough |
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| 17:50.07 | kergoth | first laptop i've ever owned also |
| 17:50.31 | chouimat|work | kergoth: and 8 core is really useful to transcode my ogg/flac to mp3 on the fly when I transfer them to my ipod |
| 17:50.46 | kergoth | heh, i bet |
| 17:51.09 | chouimat|work | kergoth: or transcode my video to a format that my ps3 can play |
| 17:51.21 | g1powermac | thats it, I vote we all get some pitch forks and torches and raid chouimat|work's house and grab that mac pro he keeps flaunting around ;-) |
| 17:51.43 | chouimat|work | kergoth: and the standard 2GB of ram is not enough :) |
| 17:51.44 | MothaWork | g1powermac: wouldn't you prefer an old Power Mac? Perhaps a G1? |
| 17:51.56 | g1powermac | MothaWork, I already got one of those ;-) |
| 17:51.59 | MothaWork | 8 cores w/ 2GB of RAM? That's laughable |
| 17:52.13 | MothaWork | I require a BARE MINIMUM of 1GB per processor core |
| 17:52.17 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: yup I now have 10GB of ram and 3.3TB of disk :) |
| 17:52.21 | MothaWork | 4GB+ preferable |
| 17:52.36 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a lot of horsepower just to watch pr0n all day |
| 17:52.40 | kergoth | chouimat|work: damn |
| 17:52.54 | kergoth | i've got 1tb in a NAS, mirrored, and thats about it disk wise |
| 17:53.18 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: and I plan to max the memory to 32GB of RAM ... so I will be able to have linux and kde 4 in RAM :) |
| 17:53.45 | g1powermac | chouimat|work, you may just be able to run vista on that sucker with 32gb of ram |
| 17:53.48 | g1powermac | ducks ;-) |
| 17:54.01 | MothaWork | chouimat|work: I want a processor with 128MB of L2 |
| 17:54.05 | chouimat|work | g1powermac I run it in kvm and vmware |
| 17:54.09 | MothaWork | something about being able to chuck my X server into cache... :) |
| 17:54.18 | chouimat|work | MothaWork: hehe |
| 17:54.21 | g1powermac | MothaWork, hehe, that'd be nice |
| 17:54.32 | MothaWork | Sun made some UltraSparcs with 32MB L2 |
| 17:54.50 | MothaWork | they were apparently "really fast" on anything that was data intensive but fit in cache |
| 17:54.53 | chouimat|work | won't say no to an ultrasparc t2 :) |
| 17:56.09 | g1powermac | still wishes he could find more info on this sq812b chip. . . |
| 18:00.47 | MothaWork | google...? |
| 18:01.49 | g1powermac | google returns very little info once you gleam what you can from the manufacturer's website |
| 18:01.51 | adye2 | MothaWork: Baidu :-( |
| 18:36.15 | MothaWork | adye2: sadly, that may be the case |
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| 19:46.44 | prpplague | solar: package arrived |
| 19:47.05 | prpplague | solar: HA |
| 19:47.11 | prpplague | solar: love the packing material |
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| 19:58.12 | adye2 | lol, someone deleted index.html at www.fairchildsemi.com ;-0 |
| 19:59.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the geek equivelent of pouring one out for the homies? |
| 19:59.19 | CosmicPenguin | yay for the semiconductor |
| 19:59.30 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, IC |
| 20:03.25 | MothaWork | more like failchildsemi.com, amirite? |
| 20:05.21 | solar | prpplague: thought ya would get a kick out of it.. |
| 20:05.40 | solar | and I ordered way to many sets of those headphones from DX. So I figured send ya a pair |
| 20:12.04 | [g2] | solar have you seen these ? http://sanguino.cc/ |
| 20:31.59 | prpplague | solar: hehe thanks |
| 20:32.07 | prpplague | [g2]: hehe yea, ours is better |
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| 21:03.50 | [g2] | prpplague: are you making a board ? |
| 21:04.41 | [g2] | iirc a couple years ago you were thinking about a small proto board, but that may have been someone else |
| 21:05.29 | prpplague | [g2]: i think you are refering to the Hammer board , we finished that up around november of last year |
| 21:05.41 | prpplague | [g2]: http://www.tincantools.com |
| 21:05.52 | [g2] | oh sweet that's you guys ? |
| 21:06.07 | [g2] | you've got a pretty cool JTAG adapter iirc |
| 21:10.53 | prpplague | yep |
| 21:19.58 | [g2] | prpplague: can you JTAG beagle boards with flywatter and the beagle kit ? |
| 21:20.46 | prpplague | [g2]: not yet, the OMAP3xxx uses a jtag route controler(JRC) called ICEPick |
| 21:20.56 | prpplague | [g2]: openocd doesn't currently support JRC's |
| 21:21.04 | prpplague | [g2]: i'm in the process of working on that |
| 21:21.16 | prpplague | [g2]: but the flyswatter will work with anything that openocd supports |
| 21:24.13 | adye2 | prpplague: what voltage does the OMAP3xxx JTAG run at? Is it 1.8V like the DM6446 Davinci parts? |
| 21:31.39 | [g2] | prpplague: are working with drath ? |
| 21:31.57 | [g2] | mmmmhh.. drathe |
| 21:32.53 | [g2] | dominic |
| 21:32.59 | [g2] | bbl |
| 21:35.38 | prpplague | adye2: yea same as the davinci |
| 21:35.47 | prpplague | [g2]: not directly |
| 21:36.02 | prpplague | adye2: i'm using a dm355 board for testing |
| 21:36.21 | adye2 | prpplague: would be nice to have something besides spectrum digital box to program those :-) |
| 21:36.27 | prpplague | adye2: as openocd doesn't currently have cortex-a8 debugging support, and the davinci is arm926ejs |
| 21:36.36 | prpplague | adye2: yea |
| 21:36.39 | prpplague | adye2: soon |
| 21:37.05 | prpplague | adye2: the beagle board adapter works fine with the dm355 14-pin TI connector |
| 21:37.48 | adye2 | prpplague: we have a board with two davincis (and a comexpress module) on it :-) |
| 21:38.00 | prpplague | adye2: fun fun |
| 21:38.08 | prpplague | adye2: all on the same jtag chain? |
| 21:38.20 | prpplague | adye2: actually you can program the davinci stuff with openocd now |
| 21:38.33 | prpplague | adye2: you just need the adapter board |
| 21:38.56 | adye2 | prpplague: no, at the time we couldn't figure out how to do 2, so we jumper select on or the other |
| 21:39.07 | prpplague | adye2: ahh |
| 21:40.56 | adye2 | prpplague the whole emu0/1 and rtck thing was not well documented, so we went the safe route |
| 21:43.09 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:43.34 | prpplague | adye2: if you pull emu0/1 low, you can use our TI adapter with the flyswatter and openocd with no problems |
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| 22:19.41 | Madsy | I'm slightly confused about the "I-bit" in the comparsion instructions. What is it used for? |
| 22:19.47 | Madsy | On ARM |
| 22:20.18 | Madsy | "If the I bit is 0 and bit 7 and bit 4 of shifter_operand is 1, the instruction is not <insert comparsion instruction here>" |
| 22:20.36 | Madsy | If it has no function, why couldn't it just be set to 1, and be a part of the opcode? |
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| 22:35.46 | MonMotha | Madsy: possibly to reserve it for future use |
| 22:36.35 | roxfan | because it can still be a cmp instruction even with I=0 |
| 22:36.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague^2: what happened to ratebeer? |
| 22:37.03 | CosmicPenguin | it looks like an attack site |
| 22:37.20 | Madsy | roxfan: But why accept both states of a bit, when one would suffice? |
| 22:38.33 | roxfan | why do you think one would suffice? |
| 22:39.40 | Madsy | Because like you said, bit I *can* be both set and not set. If it simply was 1 it could be a part of the static opcode. |
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| 22:40.07 | roxfan | yes, but then you would cut off all cases with I=0 |
| 22:40.21 | roxfan | e.g. immediate shifts and register shifts |
| 22:40.54 | Madsy | Ah, right. It's a part of the register mode. I completely forgot. |
| 22:41.06 | Madsy | That's a sufficient answer, thank you. |
| 22:41.17 | Madsy | Err.. address mode1, not register mode. |
| 22:41.44 | solar | [g2]: yep. We will have a supprise for you soon |
| 22:52.35 | Madsy | Sigh.. still waiting for my jtag equipment to ship from the US :-) |
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| 23:10.44 | [g2] | solar: cool! |
| 23:10.59 | [g2] | solar: are you part of tincantools ? |
| 23:11.10 | solar | [g2]: nope. |
| 23:11.27 | [g2] | ok, a different effort ? |
| 23:11.32 | solar | They have given me hardware however. So I try to help them back |
| 23:12.01 | solar | then things just seem to be working out good via those related channels. |
| 23:12.07 | [g2] | ahh.... part of the software community (1st adopter :) |
| 23:12.48 | [g2] | free toys are good(tm) :) |
| 23:12.55 | solar | got a little side project I'm attempting with prpplague using the 128 vs the 168 or 644P. Check this out. http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/arduino/ATmega128-vs-ATmega168-vs-ATmega644.txt |
| 23:17.48 | solar | http://www.elinux.org/Azulie (example idea) |
| 23:33.57 | [g2] | guesses you are looking to produce something in volume |
| 23:34.58 | [g2] | take that back... looks like the 128 is between the 168 and 644 |
| 23:36.01 | [g2] | solar: you should have that in csv format too :) |
| 23:38.12 | MonMotha | if you ask me, if you're going with a 128, you should put a 90USB1287 on there |
| 23:38.32 | MonMotha | basically the same micro, but a little (not much) less IO and full speed USB OTG |