| 00:00.42 | g1powermac | well, that was fun, harvested our first pumpkin from our garden that I built the fence around last week ;-) |
| 00:00.49 | g1powermac | http://g1powermac.com/2008/09/16/extreme-green-garden-part-2%E2%80%A6/ |
| 00:01.15 | g1powermac | it'll make a fine pumpkin pie :-) |
| 00:05.15 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: that looks delicious |
| 00:05.56 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: I'm planning on doing some work like that, actually |
| 00:06.04 | Ian_Daniher_ | Redhatter: extreme green garden |
| 00:06.11 | g1powermac | oh nice |
| 00:06.25 | Ian_Daniher_ | I have some sht11 temp/moisture sensors, some water pumps, ec |
| 00:06.27 | g1powermac | Ian_Daniher_, read my first post about the garden |
| 00:06.54 | g1powermac | one thing I'd love to do is drill a well for water, but I can't do that on my own :-) |
| 00:07.03 | solar | [g2]: as a formal standard. It would be csv. Just replace | for , |
| 00:07.24 | g1powermac | there's only so much rain collection I can do when we have our annual summer drought |
| 00:17.23 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: I'm laughing at your comment about Hurricane Ike |
| 00:17.30 | Ian_Daniher_ | I live in cinci ohio and we got absolutely destroyed |
| 00:17.37 | Ian_Daniher_ | 800k without power |
| 00:18.09 | g1powermac | wow |
| 00:18.23 | g1powermac | we got some heavy wind here and that was about it |
| 00:18.39 | g1powermac | lights flickered a bit |
| 00:18.48 | Ian_Daniher_ | lucky! |
| 00:19.10 | Ian_Daniher_ | yeah, my best friend had their family's tree destroy his car |
| 00:19.33 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: I have an extra SHT11 - if you write the code for it, I'll send one your way |
| 00:19.46 | Ian_Daniher_ | I have 1 SHT71 and 3 SHT11s |
| 00:21.16 | Ian_Daniher_ | the SHT11 is between 10 and 20 dollars, it's a pretty pricey sensor |
| 00:22.18 | g1powermac | oh nice |
| 00:23.28 | g1powermac | yea, I wouldn't mind writing some code for it |
| 00:23.38 | Ian_Daniher_ | they're just too pricey for their own good - nobody has bothered writing a *functional* library for it |
| 00:23.56 | Ian_Daniher_ | and I'm not awesome enough to be able to do it without a month of trial and error |
| 01:21.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac: hey, might you get me the shipping labels for the MAC stuff I have for you sometime soon? not that I'm trying to pressure you, but they are gathering dust here, and might take a backhoe to uncover them before too long. ;>) |
| 01:22.44 | g1powermac | GPSFan, oh jeeze, yea |
| 01:22.54 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 01:22.54 | g1powermac | sorry about that |
| 01:23.11 | g1powermac | got too many things going on here |
| 01:26.02 | GPSFan | g1powermac: got our first dusting of snow on the mountains the other day. winter is comming. The first aspens changed color at about 10k feet yesterday across the valley. did you survive the hurricane? ;>)) |
| 01:26.41 | g1powermac | nice, its actually got a nice chill in the air here today |
| 01:26.51 | g1powermac | yup, we got some major wind gusts but that was about it |
| 01:28.25 | Ian_Daniher_ | I didn't survive the hurricane |
| 01:28.34 | Ian_Daniher_ | 800k without power in my city |
| 01:28.41 | Ian_Daniher_ | Cincinnati ohio! |
| 01:30.31 | GPSFan | Ian_Daniher: wow, that's very far inland for a hurricane. best of luck... |
| 01:31.50 | g1powermac | I just wish we had gotten some rain |
| 01:31.57 | g1powermac | everything is crispy out here |
| 01:32.20 | Ian_Daniher_ | GPSFan: yeah, it was obscene... 100mph gusts! |
| 01:35.17 | GPSFan | yikes... we have wind storms here that typically hit 50+ mph, I've been an a hurricane in NJ when I was young, bad news... I can imigine what a 100mph gust would do here. (a 50mph gust blew down our barn several years ago. Now built with "STEEL", and lots more concrete) |
| 01:36.25 | Ian_Daniher_ | what is this steel thing of which you speak? |
| 01:36.44 | Ian_Daniher_ | judging by the damage done to the houses of people around here, they don't know either ;) |
| 01:36.59 | g1powermac | a hurricane in NJ. . .GPSFan, which one? |
| 01:37.20 | g1powermac | its rare that NJ gets hit by hurricanes, I know since I grew up there :-) |
| 01:37.44 | GPSFan | that will date me. it was a long time ago (possibly in a galexy far far away too) |
| 01:37.53 | GPSFan | g1powermac: where? |
| 01:38.06 | g1powermac | GPSFan, hehe, my mom then prolly knows which one :-) |
| 01:38.26 | g1powermac | I used to live in Bergen and Ocean counties |
| 01:39.17 | GPSFan | I grew up in Demarest (Bergen) and live in Hillsborough (Somerset) for a while. |
| 01:39.53 | GPSFan | s/live/lived/ |
| 01:39.59 | chouimat | arrrgggg |
| 01:40.20 | g1powermac | hmm, Demarest, never heard of that town |
| 01:40.28 | Ian_Daniher_ | chouimat: that should be "yarrrgggg" jfyi :) |
| 01:40.46 | g1powermac | ahh, its right outside Yonkers |
| 01:40.50 | GPSFan | g1powermac: about 8mi south of ny border |
| 01:41.00 | chouimat | Ian_Daniher like I care .... |
| 01:41.17 | g1powermac | GPSFan, we lived a further west in Ramsey/Upper Saddle River area |
| 01:41.19 | GPSFan | near closter, alpine, dumont... |
| 01:41.41 | GPSFan | ah |
| 01:42.19 | GPSFan | chouimat: feche la vache |
| 01:42.47 | chouimat | GPSFan: I'm just trying to get qemu-user emulation and chroot to work :( |
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| 01:43.45 | g1powermac | phewy, google maps doesn't have street view of our old house |
| 01:44.10 | GPSFan | chouimat: sorry too much wind for dinner ;>) |
| 01:44.19 | GPSFan | s/wind/wine/ |
| 01:44.28 | chouimat | hehe |
| 01:44.34 | g1powermac | GPSFan, what kind of wine? |
| 01:45.00 | GPSFan | g1powermac: nothing really good, just box wine. |
| 01:45.06 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 01:45.52 | GPSFan | we have 2 good winerys within a mile... |
| 01:46.27 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 01:46.48 | g1powermac | we got enough bourbon distilleries here to keep you drunk till you're 90 ;-) |
| 01:47.36 | GPSFan | g1powermac: if I make it to 90 I'll want to be drunk. |
| 01:47.43 | g1powermac | heheh |
| 01:48.15 | g1powermac | wants to try this organic hard apple cider I got one day |
| 01:48.19 | g1powermac | but can't |
| 01:48.39 | g1powermac | stupid gallbladder |
| 01:48.40 | GPSFan | right across the street: http://www.stonecottagecellars.com/ |
| 01:49.17 | g1powermac | nice |
| 01:50.01 | GPSFan | just up the road: http://www.catchwine.com/wineries/colorado/terror_creek_winery/ |
| 01:50.42 | g1powermac | nice, nice |
| 01:50.50 | Madsy | Ugh.. wine gives me a nasty hangover, no matter how much I drink. |
| 01:51.05 | Madsy | Give me a carlsberg or newcastle any day though. |
| 01:51.21 | g1powermac | still hasn't drank enough alcohol to get drunk |
| 01:51.44 | Madsy | g1powermac: You haven't missed out on anything, really. |
| 01:51.51 | g1powermac | I figured |
| 01:51.56 | GPSFan | g1powermac: just taste it, juat a drop or three. when your GB is out and you recover then you will be able to enjoy more. |
| 01:51.59 | g1powermac | I just like tasting the stuff |
| 01:52.31 | g1powermac | GPSFan, only thing is that its carbonated |
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| 01:52.49 | g1powermac | so I don't want to open the bottle unless I know I can drink it before it goes flat |
| 01:53.50 | GPSFan | g1powermac: three drops will give you a taste but won't hurt. But, opening the bottle can have serious consequenses. |
| 01:54.41 | g1powermac | yea |
| 01:55.13 | g1powermac | anyway, GPSFan prod me toward the end of the week for the labels, I should be able to get them to you then |
| 01:55.54 | GPSFan | g1powermac: ok. |
| 01:57.01 | g1powermac | alright, time for bed |
| 01:57.03 | g1powermac | gnight all |
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| 07:56.38 | RobotGuy | Who is it that works with the DAB radios ( http://www.pure.com/products/product.asp?Product=VL-60884&Category=&PageType= )?? |
| 07:57.22 | magnetron | RobotGuy, you mean, where do they broadcast DAB? |
| 08:00.31 | RobotGuy | No, I mean who here works on them. |
| 08:01.03 | RobotGuy | As in developes for them and such. |
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| 13:30.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey bud |
| 13:30.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: hows the sheep? |
| 13:31.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey dude, they are hungry... ;>) |
| 13:31.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:32.03 | GPSFan | not much grass left, almost time to come in and eat hay. |
| 13:36.11 | MothaWork | prpplague: say I've got a serial driver. Its "probe" function should be run quickly after the kernel starts up if built in (not a module), right? |
| 13:37.16 | prpplague | MothaWork: generally yes |
| 13:37.58 | MothaWork | ok |
| 13:38.17 | prpplague | MothaWork: there are exceptions, so device don't probe unless the device node is open or accessed |
| 13:38.27 | MothaWork | this board has a RS-485 port on it, but the handshaking isn't being set up until the first access to the dev node |
| 13:38.28 | prpplague | s/open/opened |
| 13:38.59 | MothaWork | which is bad since the TX enable line for the 485 transceiver idles active until the UART gets configured fully |
| 13:39.10 | prpplague | MothaWork: that is possible |
| 13:39.16 | MothaWork | so it jams the bus during kernel startup |
| 13:39.33 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh, sounds like you need to tweak the init section |
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| 13:40.10 | MothaWork | well, it wasn't setting this register off of probe, but rather "request port" |
| 13:40.27 | MothaWork | which is a UART subsystem function that looks like it probably doesn't run until the device is opened |
| 13:40.45 | MothaWork | there is in fact a corresponding "release" that would return the memory back |
| 13:40.58 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh ok, gotcha, yea sounds like in that case the probe section doesn't have enough of the initial config of the device |
| 13:41.24 | MothaWork | indeed |
| 13:41.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: depending on the structure, you probably could call the same "request port" function at the end of the probe to setup a default condition |
| 13:41.34 | MothaWork | this isn't mainline code; it got added in to our local tree |
| 13:41.47 | MothaWork | eh, easier to just move the code into the probe section :) |
| 13:42.09 | MothaWork | there's a handy "init_port" function that gets called from probe that looks perfect |
| 13:42.22 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh dandy |
| 13:42.48 | prpplague | lordy lordy, don't feel to good today |
| 13:42.58 | prpplague | been burning the candle at both ends lately |
| 13:43.24 | prpplague | solar: your 8050 should go out tomorrow 2nd day UPS |
| 13:43.42 | prpplague | solar: which means you should get it by friday |
| 13:44.52 | MothaWork | gah, default vim mode on Fedora is expandtab |
| 13:44.59 | MothaWork | GREAT for editing kernel code... |
| 13:45.38 | MothaWork | I apparently need a .vimrc |
| 13:48.36 | prpplague | likes to use mc |
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| 14:02.44 | MothaWork | prpplague: ok, so somehow, that made the kernel not boot at all |
| 14:03.00 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:03.12 | MothaWork | as in it doesn't do ANYTHING |
| 14:03.32 | prpplague | so it boots up to that point and stops? |
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| 14:03.49 | MothaWork | no, as in it doesn't boot |
| 14:03.58 | MothaWork | the bootloader hands control over and nothing happens |
| 14:04.10 | prpplague | hmm, that doesn't sound right |
| 14:04.14 | MothaWork | no, it does not |
| 14:04.48 | prpplague | sounds like either A) it didn;t link the kernel properly, or B) it didn't get uploaded to the device properly |
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| 14:05.21 | MothaWork | built and uploaded the same way as before |
| 14:05.42 | MothaWork | u-boot gives reasonable info from the uImage header |
| 14:06.02 | prpplague | MonMotha: then i'd say something in the link process failed |
| 14:07.10 | MothaWork | or it somehow ended up building an x86 kernel.. |
| 14:07.18 | MothaWork | it's an ARM binary, but the kernel is configured for x86 |
| 14:08.47 | prpplague | doh |
| 14:09.52 | MothaWork | that might cause it to not boot :) |
| 14:09.55 | MothaWork | I'm surprised it builds |
| 14:10.17 | MothaWork | I'd think tha twould result in x86 asm getting fed to an ARM assembler |
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| 14:11.38 | prpplague | hmm, looks like some fo the url's are working for leapfrog now |
| 14:12.45 | adye2 | MothaWork: it's probably the linker putting them together |
| 14:13.40 | MothaWork | um, nope |
| 14:13.42 | MothaWork | that wasn't it |
| 14:13.46 | MothaWork | it really is the serial driver change |
| 14:14.23 | MothaWork | oh... |
| 14:14.24 | MothaWork | dammit |
| 14:14.27 | MothaWork | there's no way to fix this |
| 14:14.33 | prpplague | any of you web guru's know a good way to see the other file in this dir http://www.flyworld.com/terms/lame-3.97.tar.gz |
| 14:14.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: ?? |
| 14:14.38 | MothaWork | other than banging on registers directly |
| 14:14.52 | MothaWork | it's crashing immediately because I'm dereferencing NULL :) |
| 14:15.08 | MothaWork | so I guess I can just bang on the register directly, much as I hate to do that |
| 14:15.15 | MothaWork | or just mux it as a GPIO until the port is opened |
| 14:15.55 | prpplague | MothaWork: if you want to email me the could, i'd like to look at it just for my own interest |
| 14:16.13 | MothaWork | prpplague: well, you can see the issue in the stock tree |
| 14:16.38 | MothaWork | basically, there's no easy way to access the UART registers until "request port" gets called, which only happens when the port is opened |
| 14:18.01 | prpplague | MothaWork: which means the only way to be assured of correct operations is to make the driver a module, and load it just prior to opening the port |
| 14:18.31 | MothaWork | prpplague: I still would have to modify the driver |
| 14:18.47 | MothaWork | since the BSP code has to init IO muxing |
| 14:18.48 | prpplague | MothaWork: why is that? |
| 14:18.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh |
| 14:19.05 | MothaWork | and between the time the BSP code runs and the driver loads, the line is high, which enables the transmitter |
| 14:19.28 | MothaWork | I guess I'll just mux it as a GPIO and set it low until the driver runs, then remux it as an actual peripheral |
| 14:19.33 | MothaWork | stupid, but it works |
| 14:19.52 | MothaWork | and no less hackish than many other terriblenesses perpetrated on this project |
| 14:22.18 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea |
| 14:22.45 | MothaWork | this kind of crap is why I hate doing software most of the time |
| 14:23.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:23.48 | adye2 | MothaWork: the intersection of abstraction and layers with the real world can get ugly :-) |
| 14:23.54 | prpplague | hmm, wonder if there are any tricks to getting a listing on the files available in that subdir |
| 14:24.40 | MothaWork | prpplague: sure, just ask them to remove index.html. Fairchild had no problems with that yesterday. |
| 14:25.15 | prpplague | MothaWork: hehe indeed |
| 14:25.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: leapfrog isn't likely to do that |
| 14:26.34 | MothaWork | adye2: well, what it comes down to is that the in-tree stuff doesn't support this mode of operation at all |
| 14:26.36 | MothaWork | so we had to hack it in |
| 14:26.55 | MothaWork | the in-tree stuff pretty much assumes you've got your standard serial port with possible handshaking |
| 14:27.11 | MothaWork | the hardware supports using RTS as a signal to control a RS-485 transceiver, but the code was not there for that |
| 14:27.28 | prpplague | http://www.flyworld.com/terms/flyos.html |
| 14:27.39 | prpplague | interesting, looks like the fly pen runs linux maybe |
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| 14:53.13 | prpplague | boy ol wiav is getting brave with their law suits |
| 14:53.28 | prpplague | nice to know our money is being used well |
| 14:55.35 | prpplague | http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/06/apple-palm-rim-under-fire-in-gsm-patent-lawsuit.html |
| 14:57.55 | wmat | "patent holding companies" are scumbags |
| 14:59.49 | wmat | http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/virginia/vaedce/3:2008cv00485/232752/1/ |
| 15:03.26 | chouimat|work | prpplague interesting :) |
| 15:03.47 | prpplague | i couldn't convince management to fight it |
| 15:05.51 | chouimat|work | prpplague there is only 1 solution to fix this ... nuke all the law schools in the USA :) |
| 15:06.48 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i am more of the opinion that the lawyers should get the same punishment as the person they are representing |
| 15:06.55 | MothaWork | you know, I'm not generally opposed to the concept of patents, but there really is a problem with patent trolls these days |
| 15:07.22 | prpplague | MonMotha: these guys have some really vague patents about roaming, doesn't even apply to 802.11b/g stuff |
| 15:07.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague you remember the Slider episode where the professor has to sign a form to get a burger? |
| 15:07.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: but to prove that it doesn't would take a ton of money and time, neither of which aml has |
| 15:07.41 | adye2 | chouimat|work: if the politicians weren't all lawyers, we could probably outsource lawyering. Can you imagine the outcry in D.C. if there were temp worker visas for lawyers :-) |
| 15:07.52 | chouimat|work | lol |
| 15:07.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe seems like i remember that one |
| 15:08.18 | chouimat|work | prpplague soon it will be reality in your country :) |
| 15:08.22 | MothaWork | prpplague: which is one of the many conditions that lets patent trolls exist |
| 15:08.41 | MothaWork | MAD doesn't belong in the legal system |
| 15:10.07 | prpplague | solar: lordy, with a good EE we've been able to fix over 50% of the problems with the 8050 in just a couple of days |
| 15:10.32 | chouimat|work | prpplague nice improvement :) |
| 15:11.18 | MothaWork | prpplague: imagine what you could have done if I was working on it :) |
| 15:11.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: i said "with a good EE" !! |
| 15:11.51 | prpplague | jokes with MonMotha |
| 15:11.57 | wmat | ouch |
| 15:13.06 | prpplague | wmat: just joking with MonMotha |
| 15:13.14 | MothaWork | haha |
| 15:15.24 | wmat | i know, just fanning the fire ;) |
| 15:21.48 | wmat | prpplague: what's your take on Palin? as a Canadian looking in from afar, it's pretty good comedy to watch the reactions to her, in particular last saturday's SNL. |
| 15:23.09 | wmat | especially considering that our politics is so mind numbingly boring |
| 15:23.43 | wmat | then again, I suppose politics is a bad topic here. I retract my question ;) |
| 15:24.57 | chouimat|work | wmat: she a moron ... |
| 15:26.27 | prpplague | wmat: i don't watch much that stuff, i'm totally disgusted with both sides |
| 15:26.51 | prpplague | chouimat: not like obama and liberman aren't morons as well |
| 15:27.54 | prpplague | its more like jay leno's deal where it gets some idiots to play jeopardy and can't answer any of the questions |
| 15:29.25 | chouimat|work | prpplague all politicians are moron by definition :) |
| 15:29.52 | RobotGuy | switches channels |
| 15:29.59 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea well i didn't used to be that way |
| 15:55.47 | solar | morn * |
| 15:56.54 | RobotGuy | solar: G'Morning |
| 15:59.54 | prpplague | solar: greetings |
| 16:19.37 | solar | prpplague: you have a follow up email. |
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| 16:53.33 | prpplague | checks his email |
| 16:54.50 | prpplague | solar: real busy trying to get some stuff done to the hardware, just as soon as i can i'll get that tarball generated |
| 16:55.05 | prpplague | solar: i guess i can get shipped overnight, should get it thursday |
| 17:03.08 | solar | prpplague: Re: tarball. It can wait till towards the end of your work day. I wont be able to do anything with it till post 6pm(PST) anyway. |
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| 17:23.34 | prpplague | solar: ok sounds good |
| 17:23.50 | prpplague | solar: we are going not stop to finish up the fixes to the hardware |
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| 20:37.25 | MothaWork | prpplague: you will not believe what it took to make that stupid handshaking thing work |
| 20:37.45 | MothaWork | I ended up muxing it as a GPIO in BSP and loading a kernel module that allows you to control the GPIO via /proc |
| 20:37.55 | MothaWork | I guess I could build that in, but still |
| 20:39.06 | roxfan2 | if it's stupid but works it's not stupid o.o |
| 20:39.59 | MothaWork | well, let me put it this way, there's no way in hell this would ever get accepted upstream :) |
| 20:40.04 | adye2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.11 | adye2 | looking for something to mux 2 tty channels onto one physical serial port (will have some h/w at the other end to demux) |
| 20:43.44 | MothaWork | planning to use like a modem control line to control the demux? |
| 20:44.14 | adye2 | MothaWork: no, something in-band. I have a 3 wire port, and i need to run 2 streams over it |
| 20:45.28 | adye2 | MothaWork: some cheap bugger pulled the resistors and header off for the 2nd serial port to save a few cents |
| 20:46.02 | MothaWork | adye2: could run it in 9 bit mode, then |
| 20:46.09 | MothaWork | use the 9th bit to determine where it goes |
| 20:46.14 | MothaWork | that may be doable entirely from userspace, in fact |
| 20:47.37 | adye2 | MothaWork: yeah, was hoping to find a line disc for that. maybe I could do it with screen... |
| 20:48.45 | adye2 | MothaWork: this is one of those projects where you pile hack upon hack and wait to see when it all falls apart :-( |
| 20:48.54 | MothaWork | I'm not aware of most serial drivers even implementing alternate line disciplines |
| 20:48.58 | MothaWork | most are termios or nothing |
| 20:49.44 | MothaWork | might be possible to get something into the driver you need, though |
| 20:50.03 | MothaWork | just use an ioctl to set the "stream" you want on the current file handle, and pass the rest through the normal termios interface |
| 20:50.23 | MothaWork | of course, I'm kinda assuming your UART supports 9-bit more here; not all do |
| 20:50.35 | MothaWork | they may call it "bus address" mode or similar, but it's effectively 9-bit mode |
| 20:51.21 | adye2 | MothaWork: yeah, I could do the 9-bit thing. UART is a bastardized 16450 |
| 20:51.49 | MothaWork | that should do 9-bit, then |
| 20:51.58 | MothaWork | well understood driver, too |
| 20:52.29 | MothaWork | I'd see if you can maybe just hack an extra ioctl in (possibly on an alternate line discipline) that keeps track of the desired value of the 9th bit for each open file handle |
| 20:52.54 | MothaWork | upon write(), set it in the output appropriately, and upon read(), only deliver stuff where bit 9 matches |
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