| 01:03.34 | ds2 | MothaWork: tried the early innit stuff? |
| 01:04.46 | ds2 | hmmmm |
| 01:05.11 | ds2 | no lpc folks here |
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| 01:28.27 | MonMotha | ds2: the issue I have is that if I init it as GPIO and have the driver take things over as soon as it loads up (and sets the RS485 mode register), it still idles the transmitter line active |
| 01:28.42 | MonMotha | I have to issue a stty before it idles it inactive (receive) |
| 01:28.47 | MonMotha | I have no idea why |
| 01:28.50 | MonMotha | and frankly, I don't are |
| 01:28.53 | MonMotha | *care |
| 01:34.14 | ds2 | change line discipli e defaults? |
| 01:35.37 | MonMotha | ds2: oh, I thought you were referring to my stupid issue with my RS-485 handshake line that I solved with a LKM |
| 01:36.36 | ds2 | yeah, i am in pdx for lpc some i am a bit slow |
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| 06:49.31 | methril | hola |
| 06:54.06 | RobotGuy | aloh |
| 06:58.24 | methril | Greetings RobotGuy |
| 06:58.39 | RobotGuy | How is everything? |
| 06:59.12 | methril | Well, doing some ugly work with 8bit micros |
| 06:59.19 | methril | with ugly IDE |
| 06:59.31 | methril | but erverything is ok |
| 06:59.34 | methril | and you? |
| 06:59.51 | methril | Are you going to Plumbers? |
| 07:00.26 | RobotGuy | I don't know - thinking of just passing it by. |
| 07:03.03 | RobotGuy | I don't even know where it is being held. The website doesn't seem real helpful. |
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| 07:05.16 | RobotGuy | Oh, it's at our Portland State University. |
| 07:06.01 | methril | it looks like |
| 07:06.11 | methril | i was going to paste the url here :) |
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| 07:12.20 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 07:12.35 | RobotGuy | I think I'll just pass it up. No real reason to go. |
| 07:16.45 | methril | how is your "baby"? |
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| 07:19.21 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
| 07:21.28 | RobotGuy | Not worked on it for awhile |
| 07:26.02 | methril | some paid work? |
| 07:28.01 | RobotGuy | No |
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| 15:13.23 | chouimat|work | wonders if he order a neuros OSD2 |
| 15:15.12 | wmat | has had a neuros for a couple of years |
| 15:15.29 | sjhill | i've been neurotic for years, does that count? |
| 15:15.45 | chouimat|work | wmat: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9949081537.html <--- that one |
| 15:16.04 | wmat | sjhill: that depends, is your neuroses fully open and hackable? |
| 15:16.47 | sjhill | heh |
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| 15:17.44 | MothaWork | hum, anyone know much about ethernet stuff? My ethernet works fine at 100Mbps FD when linked directly with my laptop, but if I put it on a switch, the activity light goes nuts and I have tons of packet loss. The switch has no activity, and I've tried multiple switches isolated from any other network (i.e. only my device + my laptop) |
| 15:17.58 | MothaWork | if I drop the link to 10Mbps, it's fine |
| 15:18.43 | sjhill | sounds like your PHY on the laptop is being naughty |
| 15:18.45 | MothaWork | I have checked my 25MHz reference clock (MII, not RMII), and it's at 25.0004MHz, which is well within the tolerance specified by my PHY |
| 15:19.01 | MothaWork | sjhill: no, my laptop is fine. If anything, the PHY on my embedded device is being naughty |
| 15:19.06 | MothaWork | basically, it ONLY works with my laptop |
| 15:19.10 | sjhill | oh, your baord i mean |
| 15:19.33 | sjhill | better start checking those MAC/PHY register settings |
| 15:19.33 | MothaWork | any ideas as to how one might un-naughty it? |
| 15:19.38 | MothaWork | yeah.... |
| 15:19.48 | MothaWork | I can't say I look forward to hacking on this driver |
| 15:20.00 | MothaWork | the PHY isn't overly configurable; at least nothing I can see that should cause this |
| 15:21.11 | sjhill | is the switch manageable? |
| 15:21.15 | MothaWork | of course not |
| 15:21.20 | sjhill | nice |
| 15:21.24 | MothaWork | we don't have any managed switches here |
| 15:21.26 | MothaWork | too expensive |
| 15:21.41 | MothaWork | my managed switch is at my parents' place right now, a couple hours away, so I'm not going to go get that |
| 15:22.03 | MothaWork | I have tried a couple models of switches |
| 15:22.07 | sjhill | i'd code up a quick driver that just talks to the PHY registers |
| 15:22.12 | MothaWork | though both were Netgear (seems our preferred supplier) |
| 15:22.18 | sjhill | and work to get the proper link lights to show up on the switch |
| 15:22.24 | sjhill | then worry about eth traffic proper |
| 15:22.39 | MothaWork | I do get proper link lights on the switch, but the link light on my device (managed by the PHY) go nuts |
| 15:22.51 | MothaWork | indicates constant flickering activity when there is none. The switch is quiet |
| 15:22.57 | sjhill | hmm |
| 15:23.02 | sjhill | what's your MAC address? |
| 15:23.14 | MothaWork | something I set. It's known unique on this LAN |
| 15:23.28 | MothaWork | I think it's in Intel's range, though |
| 15:23.51 | MothaWork | 00:1D:FE:C0:FF:EE, which should be valid |
| 15:25.42 | sjhill | it really sounds like your PHY is not doing autoneg at 100mbps |
| 15:26.27 | sjhill | any errata on the PHY? |
| 15:26.27 | MothaWork | kernel status messages indicate it is |
| 15:26.28 | sjhill | PHYs lie |
| 15:26.28 | MothaWork | true |
| 15:26.28 | sjhill | errata? |
| 15:26.28 | MothaWork | though it works when linked to my laptop |
| 15:26.28 | MothaWork | checking on errata |
| 15:27.26 | MothaWork | there is an updated datasheet |
| 15:29.16 | sjhill | that fast blinking light on your board indicates a mismatch in duplex and/or speed |
| 15:30.03 | MothaWork | no errata listed, though I wonder if the Auto-MDIX could be acting up |
| 15:30.38 | MothaWork | I've attempted to force various speeds/duplexes (unfortunately, I can't force it on the switch) |
| 15:30.46 | MothaWork | same results at 100, works at 10 (just like with autoneg on) |
| 15:31.32 | MothaWork | I would think that if there was a disagreement on speed, that I'd see more than ~12% packet loss |
| 15:32.15 | sjhill | what does the output from ifconfig look like? |
| 15:32.23 | sjhill | that shows all the packet statistics |
| 15:32.45 | MothaWork | lots of RX errors |
| 15:33.17 | sjhill | no TX errors? |
| 15:33.40 | MothaWork | 17 TX errors accumulated during all my testing, 4624 RX errors |
| 15:34.35 | MothaWork | I can change the link status by changing my autoneg advertisement, and at least the speed reported by the PHY back to Linux agrees with the speed indicated by the LEDs on the switch |
| 15:34.41 | MothaWork | unfortunatley, the switch does not have LEDs for duplex |
| 15:35.00 | sjhill | get a switch with at least the duplex/speed indicators |
| 15:35.03 | sjhill | too hard otherwsie |
| 15:35.11 | sjhill | no doubt though, you have an autoneg mismatch |
| 15:36.05 | MothaWork | well, given that it works at 10, I'm guessing that's the resolution if it involves spending money on a switch |
| 15:36.20 | MothaWork | I can pick up my good switch some time |
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| 15:36.38 | MothaWork | our network here is strung together using consumer networking gear |
| 15:36.42 | MothaWork | I don't like it, but that's the way it is |
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| 15:59.03 | CosmicPenguin | Greetings |
| 15:59.14 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: good morning |
| 16:21.51 | sjhill | hey chouimat|work |
| 16:21.52 | sjhill | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 16:21.59 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: greets |
| 16:22.21 | sjhill | Did I mention how much fun ClearCase is? No, there's a good reason for that. |
| 16:30.40 | MothaWork | oh ClearCase... |
| 16:30.45 | MothaWork | I've heard so many things about it |
| 16:30.50 | MothaWork | ...none of them complementary |
| 16:31.04 | MothaWork | *complimentary |
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| 17:08.30 | MothaWork | good morning prpplague |
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| 17:21.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: greetings |
| 17:21.17 | prpplague | is super busy with janitorial services |
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| 17:22.05 | MothaWork | prpplague: sounds fun |
| 17:22.12 | MothaWork | know much about ethernet physical layer stuff? |
| 17:25.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: not a whole lot on the physical layer, i've stayed away from that so far |
| 17:26.20 | MothaWork | prpplague: I see. I'm having an issue where things work fine with all peers at 10Mbps, but when I plug my device into things and let it link at 100Mbps, "bad stuff" often happens. My device works fine on my laptop (zero bits lost), but when I plug into various switches, the link activity light goes nuts even when there is no traffic and I see ~12% packet loss. |
| 17:26.57 | roxfan | tried monitoring the net? |
| 17:27.07 | MothaWork | The link activity light is managed by the PHY, so it seems like something strange is going on at the physical level. I've checked the MII reference clock and it is within tolerance, though I haven't measured jitter. |
| 17:27.22 | MothaWork | roxfan: no, but I've put it on a switch with only two ports occupied: my laptop and the device |
| 17:27.29 | roxfan | hm |
| 17:27.40 | MothaWork | heck, I can plug it into a switch that has nothing else plugged into it and the activity light still flashes like mad |
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| 17:28.04 | MothaWork | prpplague: sjhill suggested speed/duplex mismatch as a result of failed autoneg, but that's not looking like the case |
| 17:28.20 | MothaWork | PHY has no documented errata |
| 17:29.50 | MothaWork | MAC has one documented errata that pertains only to TX overruns, most errors indicated are on RX |
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| 18:38.25 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: pign |
| 18:38.29 | Ian_Daniher_ | err, ping |
| 18:38.38 | g1powermac | Ian_Daniher_, pong |
| 18:39.00 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: do you have an AVR-wizard friends who might be able to work on the SHT11 code? |
| 18:39.32 | g1powermac | unfortunately, not really |
| 18:39.39 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: :/ |
| 18:39.56 | g1powermac | I do have avrs here though |
| 18:40.04 | Ian_Daniher_ | what sorts? |
| 18:40.08 | g1powermac | any code I made I'll see about porting over |
| 18:40.37 | g1powermac | hmm, not sure which ones |
| 18:40.42 | Ian_Daniher_ | alright, if that doesn't work, I'll ask around and find an AVR hacker also interested in automated agriculture |
| 18:40.44 | g1powermac | I know I got an avr butterfly |
| 18:40.49 | Ian_Daniher_ | :O |
| 18:40.53 | Ian_Daniher_ | how'd you get that? |
| 18:41.09 | g1powermac | free sample :-) |
| 18:41.18 | Ian_Daniher_ | ...how!? |
| 18:41.20 | Ian_Daniher_ | haha |
| 18:41.23 | g1powermac | is the king of getting free samples ;-) |
| 18:41.33 | Ian_Daniher_ | I'm pretty good at it myself |
| 18:41.47 | Ian_Daniher_ | I have a full chem lab stocked with free reagents, free polypropylene labware |
| 18:41.53 | g1powermac | some group was giving them away a while back |
| 18:41.59 | g1powermac | nice |
| 18:42.00 | Ian_Daniher_ | wow |
| 18:42.04 | MothaWork | Ian_Daniher: any reason you don't want to mess with the code? AVR is pretty easy to work with |
| 18:42.22 | Ian_Daniher_ | MothaWork: not much time - I'm in 4AP classes |
| 18:42.24 | Ian_Daniher_ | but yes they are |
| 18:42.31 | Ian_Daniher_ | MothaWork: and life isn't going to get any simpler |
| 18:42.48 | g1powermac | I should play with the butterfly one day |
| 18:42.56 | Ian_Daniher_ | MothaWork: I've gotten samples of the parts, but I don't have much time to code and implement |
| 18:43.02 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: you should, they're pretty awesome |
| 18:43.14 | g1powermac | need a new battery for it first though it seems ;-) |
| 18:43.15 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: atmel is really nice for samples too |
| 18:43.33 | g1powermac | yea, once you get a contact with your local rep |
| 18:43.55 | Ian_Daniher_ | man, jealous doesn't even come close, RE butterfly |
| 18:44.05 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 18:44.08 | Ian_Daniher_ | next time you have someone giving those away, snag one for me, will you? |
| 18:44.14 | g1powermac | sure |
| 18:44.29 | g1powermac | you know, I'm always open to trading :-) |
| 18:44.55 | Ian_Daniher_ | haha, we'll see |
| 18:45.10 | Ian_Daniher_ | if you want any AMD geode single board computers, I'm your man |
| 18:45.26 | g1powermac | oh |
| 18:45.31 | Ian_Daniher_ | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification |
| 18:45.47 | Ian_Daniher_ | I have a stack of motherboards from those without a good home |
| 18:46.04 | g1powermac | ahh, from the XOs |
| 18:46.07 | Ian_Daniher_ | Yep |
| 18:46.10 | Ian_Daniher_ | they're quite nice |
| 18:46.33 | Ian_Daniher_ | anyway, bell just rang |
| 18:46.39 | Ian_Daniher_ | I'll be back tonight |
| 18:46.44 | g1powermac | k, cya |
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| 21:20.50 | RobotGuy | Not much happening today. |
| 21:47.47 | solar | prpplague: ping. i know you are busy. But can you try to send me those files today. TIA.. |
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| 22:10.57 | Ian_Daniher_ | hey g1powermac |
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| 22:44.36 | g1powermac | hey Ian_Daniher_ |
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| 23:30.08 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: do you solder at all? |
| 23:30.19 | Ian_Daniher_ | the sht11s are mounted on a leadless PCB |
| 23:45.44 | g1powermac_PB | Ian_Daniher_: oh yea, I do soldering |
| 23:46.00 | g1powermac_PB | I got myself a really nice digital soldering station |
| 23:46.11 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac_PB: Excellent! I'll mail the chip out tomm with my repair center shtuff |
| 23:46.20 | g1powermac_PB | kewl, awesome |
| 23:46.20 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: I have a WESD51 |
| 23:48.12 | Ian_Daniher_ | (weller digital soldering station) |
| 23:48.16 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 23:48.38 | g1powermac_PB | thats nice |
| 23:48.42 | Ian_Daniher_ | it's very |
| 23:48.54 | g1powermac_PB | I had a really cheap weller station before the one I got |
| 23:49.06 | g1powermac_PB | it took 10 mins to warm up ;-) |
| 23:49.41 | Ian_Daniher_ | haha |
| 23:49.54 | g1powermac_PB | this is the one I got now: http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8395 |
| 23:50.02 | g1powermac_PB | it takes a whole 5 seconds to warm up :-) |
| 23:50.03 | Ian_Daniher_ | g1powermac: mine is wonderful, it takes about a minute or so to heat up |
| 23:50.18 | Ian_Daniher_ | my last one was a radio shaq firestarter, took *literally* an hour to heat up |
| 23:50.24 | g1powermac_PB | err, oops, thats not it |
| 23:50.38 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/8396 |
| 23:50.40 | g1powermac_PB | thats it |
| 23:51.06 | g1powermac_PB | I also got the really, really .1mm tip for it |
| 23:51.12 | g1powermac_PB | really *small |