| 00:00.00 | ds2 | bah |
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| 00:40.51 | g1powermac | ds2, thats always fun |
| 00:44.52 | joe_bleau | KY decide to steal anything else today? |
| 00:45.02 | g1powermac | joe_bleau, meh, not yet |
| 00:45.36 | joe_bleau | Seriously, I first thought it was a joke when I read that story. |
| 00:46.01 | g1powermac | meh, never underestimate the stupidity of this state |
| 00:46.41 | g1powermac | especially after this happened not so long ago: https://www.hackinthebox.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=10763 |
| 00:48.02 | joe_bleau | State government doesn't tend to attract the best qualified employees, so I'm not surprised by this sort of thing. |
| 00:48.16 | g1powermac | makes me proud to say that I am not a local :-) |
| 00:48.33 | g1powermac | though I've lived here for five+ years |
| 00:49.13 | joe_bleau | I have some friends in KY, so I have to stay current enough to give 'em a hard time. |
| 00:49.20 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 00:50.26 | g1powermac | though my home state of NJ hasn't been so quiet in the news lately either |
| 00:50.53 | joe_bleau | Is that the state where it's illegal to pump your own gas? |
| 00:51.19 | g1powermac | yupper |
| 00:51.40 | g1powermac | it was nice though as you didn't have to pump your own gas :-) |
| 00:52.39 | g1powermac | and I always get a chuckle when watching movies of somebody in NJ pumping their own gas, seems the hollywood people don't know that its illegal to do that in NJ :-) |
| 00:52.57 | joe_bleau | Hey, now I'm gonna have to watch for that. Good point. |
| 00:54.44 | g1powermac | I tell you though, this state scares me sometimes. . . |
| 00:55.02 | g1powermac | especially the inbreeding. . .its no stereotype |
| 00:55.34 | g1powermac | the second you go outside the couple of urban areas in this state, everyone is related to everyone |
| 00:55.48 | g1powermac | and it doesn't have to be that far, 30 minute drive at the most |
| 00:56.08 | joe_bleau | Hopefully as in inlaws and by marriage? |
| 00:56.25 | g1powermac | heck, you could marry someone and not even know the person you're marrying is a distant cousin |
| 00:56.49 | g1powermac | the family trees are so intertwined |
| 01:16.17 | sunrunner20 | huh |
| 01:16.18 | sunrunner20 | why |
| 01:16.26 | sunrunner20 | is it illegal to pump your own gas >_> |
| 01:16.57 | g1powermac | so you don't accidentally blow up the pumps via static electricity :-) |
| 01:17.14 | g1powermac | oh dear: http://notalwaysright.com/gotta-love-them-diy-puters/526 |
| 01:17.15 | sunrunner20 | thats an awful reason >_> |
| 01:17.33 | sunrunner20 | lol g1powermac just discover notalwaysright recently? |
| 01:17.50 | g1powermac | yup |
| 01:18.02 | sunrunner20 | theres some awful ones on there |
| 01:18.06 | sunrunner20 | and some really good ones |
| 01:18.23 | sunrunner20 | It needs a thumbs down feature |
| 01:18.27 | sunrunner20 | like |
| 01:18.28 | sunrunner20 | theres one |
| 01:18.34 | g1powermac | sunrunner20, the sad part is we could prolly fill their databases with stuff from our store |
| 01:18.53 | sunrunner20 | where a guy ran his phone under distilled water after dropping it in the ocean |
| 01:19.01 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 01:19.14 | sunrunner20 | thats the _correct_ thing to do... the joke is on the guy that submitted it lol |
| 01:19.15 | g1powermac | like just one today where this person just couldn't figure out how the total for the stuff they purchased was calculated |
| 01:20.15 | g1powermac | the best ones is when the customer deliberately damages the thing they bought to bring it back |
| 01:20.17 | sunrunner20 | goahead and dry out the seawater while its still in the phone, I guarentee it'll never work again |
| 01:20.43 | g1powermac | so we enacted a new policy |
| 01:20.49 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:21.02 | sunrunner20 | you haven't seen that notalways right then |
| 01:21.07 | g1powermac | we repair items or you can swap it out for a new one, can't get your money back :-) |
| 01:21.24 | g1powermac | its always funny to see the look on their faces |
| 01:21.37 | sunrunner20 | whats the store? |
| 01:21.48 | g1powermac | we run a small independent shoe store |
| 01:22.03 | sunrunner20 | http://notalwaysright.com/scamming-in-plain-sight/509 |
| 01:22.16 | g1powermac | other stuff that happens is when they wear the stuff outside |
| 01:22.23 | g1powermac | oh yea, like this one time |
| 01:22.30 | g1powermac | the guy buys a pair of shoes |
| 01:22.31 | sunrunner20 | read that one, its classic |
| 01:22.35 | g1powermac | tries to bring it back |
| 01:22.42 | g1powermac | claims he never wore it outside |
| 01:22.56 | g1powermac | but the soles are filthy, even has chunks of mud in it |
| 01:23.00 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:23.07 | sunrunner20 | if your going do do that shit |
| 01:23.10 | sunrunner20 | err stuff |
| 01:23.16 | sunrunner20 | at least put ductape on the bottom of the shoe |
| 01:23.18 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
| 01:23.20 | g1powermac | my dad, who's the manager says to him "well, your house must be really dirty!" |
| 01:23.33 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:23.36 | g1powermac | he had a strange look to his face and then left |
| 01:23.36 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 01:23.42 | sunrunner20 | that needs to be on there |
| 01:23.56 | g1powermac | I can never forget that one |
| 01:24.21 | sunrunner20 | insulting the cleanlesness of somebides house lol |
| 01:24.50 | sunrunner20 | oh another classic: http://notalwaysright.com/he-obviously-gets-his-smarts-from-mom/830 |
| 01:25.08 | sunrunner20 | http://notalwaysright.com/worst-advertising-ever/257 another |
| 01:25.59 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 01:26.24 | g1powermac | oh yea, here's another story |
| 01:26.44 | sunrunner20 | btw the rest will be in PM probally shoulden't polute the channel with links lol |
| 01:26.45 | g1powermac | so one of our employees is taking care of a customer |
| 01:27.06 | g1powermac | the employee goes off to find a shoe for the customer |
| 01:27.16 | g1powermac | the customer already has a pair next to her |
| 01:27.57 | g1powermac | she takes the pair, shoves it in her purse, grabs the empty box, places it randomly on the shelf and tries to walk out of the store with the shoes hanging out of her purse |
| 01:28.08 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 01:28.51 | g1powermac | and the best part is that it was a clearance item |
| 01:29.04 | sunrunner20 | thats why I'll have a "lock door" buttton on my cash register lol |
| 01:29.36 | g1powermac | oh then there's this other crazy shoplifter |
| 01:29.55 | g1powermac | a guy comes in with a pair of shoes wanting to return the item |
| 01:30.20 | g1powermac | the shoes obviously were not purchased at our store as we have special stickers on the boxes |
| 01:30.46 | g1powermac | the guy gets mad and storms out of the store once we tell him he can't bring them back |
| 01:31.02 | g1powermac | now outside we have clearance items on wheeled racks |
| 01:31.35 | g1powermac | he goes and grabs a batch of these items, with customers and even one of our employees watching, throws them in his car and takes off |
| 01:31.45 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 01:31.58 | g1powermac | dad gets the license plate number and he caught within hours |
| 01:32.05 | g1powermac | he *is |
| 01:32.29 | sunrunner20 | fail |
| 01:33.41 | g1powermac | then there's the semi sad story of the person who couldn't pay for his stuff |
| 01:33.58 | g1powermac | a whole family comes in for shoes and they all get fitted up |
| 01:34.18 | g1powermac | the whole family except I think the father leaves the store to go sit in the car |
| 01:34.25 | g1powermac | mind you they are wearing the new shoes |
| 01:34.36 | g1powermac | the father comes up to the counter to pay for the shoes |
| 01:35.03 | g1powermac | first he tries a credit card, denied, then another denied, and finally a debit card which is also denied |
| 01:35.25 | g1powermac | so we had to go out to their car and take the shoes off the kids feet, it wasn't pretty |
| 01:36.03 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 01:38.00 | g1powermac | then we get these people that try to bring back stuff just to get the money |
| 01:38.13 | g1powermac | the item is not even theirs, prolly a relatives |
| 01:38.36 | g1powermac | but we can't give money back unless they have the original CC or debit card |
| 01:39.25 | g1powermac | they get all pissed off and leave after we tell them that |
| 01:39.59 | g1powermac | meh, I can go on forever |
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| 06:33.07 | ds2 | #@$@%#!$@2S$@#$$ openmoko |
| 07:33.47 | solar | love/hate? |
| 08:00.24 | ds2 | their image is ghastly |
| 08:00.36 | ds2 | i took their rootfs tarball and tried to use it on the hammer |
| 08:00.49 | ds2 | only to find it is carrying like 8 megs worth of termlib files |
| 08:01.25 | ds2 | right now it seems easier to cross compile and rewrite makefiles to not use libtools then to deal with the openmoko abominations |
| 08:02.00 | ds2 | unless you happen to know of bluez and pppd binaries for the hammer |
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| 15:20.46 | solar | ds2: yeah I have bins for you. armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi bluez-libs-3.36 ppp-2.4.4-r21 or I have handy a ppp-2.4.4-r15 for arm-softfloat-linux-uclibc and could probably add bluez in there. |
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| 18:51.09 | ds2 | *yawn* |
| 18:51.15 | ds2 | more hammer |
| 18:53.08 | roxfan | can't touch this! |
| 18:54.13 | ds2 | that's right.. if you want to keep that finger ;) |
| 18:54.38 | ds2 | solar: cool, if you have the binaries handy, pointers would be gratefully appreciated |
| 18:56.15 | solar | ds2: sure which CHOST combo do you desire? |
| 18:57.21 | ds2 | CHOST? |
| 18:57.52 | solar | arm*-softlfloat-linux-(gnueabi|uclibc) |
| 18:58.18 | ds2 | I think uclibc; I need it to match whatever is on the default ramdisk image |
| 18:58.44 | solar | ok one moment let me upload |
| 18:58.50 | ds2 | normally, I would have time to do a full build root but right now, I'll shoehorn whatever will let me do a DUN connection to a phone |
| 18:58.56 | ds2 | thanks a zillion |
| 18:59.42 | ds2 | what I don't understand is why the openmoko binaries were dying with illegal instruction |
| 19:03.33 | solar | cuz they use eabi by default as well as gnulibc. If you are still using the reference kernel it wont have eabi support |
| 19:04.00 | ds2 | thought EABI wasn't supported on ARMv4? |
| 19:05.01 | solar | it it is limited afaik and most new arm devices support it |
| 19:05.09 | solar | anyway. Here is where I'm uploading the bins. http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/cross-pkgs/arm-softfloat-linux-uclibc/ |
| 19:05.24 | ds2 | great |
| 19:05.34 | solar | it's making me lagged. But when that finishs I'll build the bluez stuff |
| 19:05.41 | solar | which I don't have for the nail |
| 19:05.59 | solar | s/nail/hammer |
| 19:06.07 | ds2 | this is the only armv4 device I am messing with; the rest are much newer otherwise, I would have binaries on hand |
| 19:06.36 | ds2 | okay, i'll grab lunch and come back to it; thanks again |
| 19:07.32 | ds2 | wait, what version of bluez utils are you building? |
| 19:07.43 | ds2 | bluez > 2 requires dbus :( |
| 19:10.19 | solar | We have versions 2.22 2.25 3.25 3.27 3.28 3.30 3.32 3.36 in our ttree. I know ver bluez-libs-3.36 cross compiles. |
| 19:10.49 | solar | dbus might be a problem as it requires >glib-2 (which has iconv functions that uclibc does not get along with so well) |
| 19:11.10 | ds2 | yes, that is what I am getting at... prehaps 2.25 is the best one |
| 19:11.20 | ds2 | I think they all do rfcomm which is all I need |
| 19:16.32 | solar | http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/cross-pkgs/arm-softfloat-linux-uclibc/net-wireless/bluez-libs-3.36.tbz2 |
| 19:18.24 | solar | I don't see any direct or indirect deps on dbus |
| 19:19.03 | ds2 | Oh? Must be a configure option; by default it wants that as that's how it talks to pass-keyagent |
| 19:19.08 | ds2 | passkey-agent I mean |
| 19:19.46 | solar | I uploaded a dbus just incase you really needed it. |
| 19:19.53 | solar | I'll try an older version just incase |
| 19:24.38 | ds2 | okay really food time |
| 19:37.05 | solar | ds2: ok uploaded a every version that compiled for me. If you run into any problems I can slap it into a firmware image for ya |
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| 21:29.06 | ds2 | solar: where are they? I don't see ppp or bluez in the sub dirs in http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/cross-pkgs/arm-softfloat-linux-uclibc/ |
| 21:37.22 | ds2 | this doesn't seem right... no recent modifications to the directories |
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| 22:30.06 | solar | ds2: arghh. Seems I have a cronscript overwriting them. |
| 22:30.23 | solar | let me find a dir that wont get overwritten for ya |
| 22:30.42 | ds2 | oh heh |
| 22:31.04 | ds2 | doing a brand new platform at the last minute is not a good idea |
| 22:31.13 | ds2 | gpio_keys is unhappy now :( |
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| 22:41.45 | ds2 | does the nail have buttons on it? |
| 22:42.47 | solar | yes |
| 22:45.10 | solar | ds2: http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/tct/uclibc/ (this dir wont get autonuked) |
| 22:46.07 | solar | the .tbz2 is a simple .tar.bz2 format with a little extra metadata appended to the end of the tarball. |
| 22:46.51 | solar | the bins will contain full manpages info docs *.a *.o etc. So make sure you have a prestaging dir |
| 22:50.24 | ds2 | I figure the format |
| 22:51.01 | ds2 | know off hand where the nail patches are? the gpio_keys code seems to be unhappy with no IRQ being defined |
| 22:53.41 | ds2 | bluez-utils is not in the list |
| 22:55.17 | solar | http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/tct/uclibc/net-wireless/ |
| 22:55.40 | solar | bunch of them in there. And ppp should be in net-dialup |
| 22:55.41 | ds2 | that only has libs, no utils |
| 22:55.57 | ds2 | I was looking in all and got ppp and bluez-libs |
| 22:56.12 | solar | oh. Thats cuz I did not try to build them., Thought you were after the libs. |
| 22:56.29 | ds2 | no, I need rfcomm + hcid from them to talk |
| 22:56.45 | ds2 | the libs are incidental |
| 22:57.53 | solar | yep. So bluez-utils just died about needing glib2 |
| 22:57.59 | ds2 | heh |
| 22:58.10 | ds2 | I think only bluez 2.x will have a chance |
| 23:00.17 | solar | ok. So 2.25 lacks the glib2 dep but pretty much just exploded when attempting to cross compile. |
| 23:00.47 | ds2 | oh doh |
| 23:01.05 | solar | hrmm. I might know why. Sec |
| 23:01.05 | ds2 | guess that's why it is not prebuilt |
| 23:07.41 | solar | do you need it with --enable-hid2hci ? |
| 23:07.41 | ds2 | nope |
| 23:12.56 | solar | still failing. |
| 23:13.05 | ds2 | oh :( |
| 23:13.09 | solar | http://rafb.net/p/noy6AY13.html (seems to claim there is a syntax error with this) |
| 23:13.38 | ds2 | what gcc version? |
| 23:13.43 | solar | unless it's a gcc-4 vs gcc-3 thing. I'm a bit stummped on how to help you get the end result you are after without suggesting an entire new firmware |
| 23:13.56 | solar | gcc-3.4.6 |
| 23:14.19 | ds2 | I don't mind an entire new firmware, I just don't have time to download build root + all the bits and clear out enough space to get it done |
| 23:14.34 | ds2 | ah... might be a gcc3 vs 4 thing... I know it cross compiles fine in gcc 4 on armv6/v7 |
| 23:15.00 | solar | let me upload what I've been working on for the 8050 then. |
| 23:15.18 | ds2 | you have an entire ramdisk image with bluez utils + ppp working? |
| 23:15.40 | solar | nope. But I could probably make ya one alot faster than uploading all my bins |
| 23:15.52 | ds2 | ah |
| 23:16.24 | ds2 | gpiokeys + LEDs should not be this trouble some, it was a drop in for the omap |
| 23:18.34 | solar | I did something one day which messed up my gpiokeys. some kernel option that got toggled off which I did not expect to have anything to do with it. |
| 23:19.14 | ds2 | oh boy |
| 23:19.27 | ds2 | does gpio_keys require irqs? |
| 23:21.34 | solar | Not sure. prp pointed out a missing option in my .config. All seems to be good now. http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/tct/nail.config |
| 23:22.00 | ds2 | it is the kernel, I am working on it |
| 23:23.08 | solar | And a few small changes. http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/tct/linux-2.6.22-leds.patch |
| 23:24.06 | ds2 | that looks similar to what i have |
| 23:26.37 | solar | time to put the AC on. Bit warm today |
| 23:26.51 | ds2 | where are you? |
| 23:27.43 | ds2 | I see my problem... the pin I am using cannot generate interrupts |
| 23:28.31 | solar | I'm on 3rd and keys in downtown SJC. |
| 23:29.50 | solar | anyway I've started uploading the gnueabi stuff. It's going to take a while as I've got just shy of a gig worth of .tbz2 files. http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/tct/gnueabi/ when done. |
| 23:30.35 | ds2 | I need to enable eabi in my kernel |
| 23:30.49 | ds2 | I am further south and it is relatively comfortable |
| 23:34.46 | ds2 | arrrrg |
| 23:34.58 | ds2 | none of the expose pins allow for interrupts |
| 23:37.20 | ds2 | nevermind... misleading hammer docs |
| 23:37.23 | ds2 | hugs the usermanual |
| 23:46.27 | solar | arghh still fails with eabi using gcc-4.x at another spot.. |
| 23:46.56 | solar | which I'm going to have to solve one way or another at some point. How soonish do you need this? |
| 23:52.28 | ds2 | not the most helpful answer, but asap... in reality, I still need to get LEDs working |
| 23:53.00 | ds2 | I can go back and hack at it... later if you don't get anywhere |