| 00:28.38 | joe_bleau | Anyone up on wireless credit card authorization terminals? |
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| 05:47.44 | HcE | Hi, anybody know of a SRAM IC with integrated FRAM or other non-volatile RAM? |
| 06:01.02 | MonMotha | HcE: shadow or separate? |
| 06:01.26 | MonMotha | Dallas has some SRAM/EEPROM parts where the SRAM is used to shadow the EEPROM for faster access |
| 06:02.58 | HcE | MonMotha: separate, I plan to use SRAM for DMA and general memory, and use the FRAM part to store stuff which must be present after a power failure |
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| 07:28.54 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 11:31.10 | methril | yo |
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| 13:31.23 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin tuesday |
| 13:31.37 | prpplague | takes off his janitors uniform and puts down the mop |
| 13:31.55 | prpplague | puts on the fireman's hat and grabs the fire extingisher |
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| 13:34.15 | prpplague | ~lart g1powermac_PB |
| 13:34.15 | purl | hits g1powermac_PB with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 13:37.28 | prpplague | solar: give me a shout when you arrive back to the land of the living |
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| 13:54.24 | g1powermac_PB | ooo, an anvil, I could use that :-) |
| 14:01.22 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 14:04.10 | GPSFan | ~lart g1powermac for not sending some shipping lables |
| 14:04.11 | purl | whacks g1powermac upside the head for not sending some shipping lables |
| 14:05.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: ping |
| 14:06.01 | MothaWork | prpplague: pong |
| 14:06.51 | prpplague | MothaWork: hey, managment is looking to try to market the M8050 to alot more of the smaller OSS developers |
| 14:07.57 | prpplague | MothaWork: any thoughts on a good channel/list that would appeal to using the m8050? |
| 14:08.15 | MothaWork | prpplague: hum, not really |
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| 14:09.14 | prpplague | MothaWork: hmm, i was thinking i could mention it on #handhelds but i'm not sure how they would like me spaming about the device |
| 14:10.02 | MothaWork | prpplague: I have no idea. It's been a while since I was active in there |
| 14:10.51 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:11.13 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:11.21 | MothaWork | prpplague: get it posted to linuxdevices? |
| 14:11.46 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, gonna do that in jan, but i wanted to start getting some interesting going |
| 14:11.59 | prpplague | MothaWork: try to find out a little more about what some the ISV's might be wanting |
| 14:14.38 | MothaWork | ah |
| 14:15.25 | MothaWork | prpplague: what all is on the 8050? |
| 14:15.41 | MothaWork | I've seen the 5900, but I don't remember stats on the 8050 |
| 14:16.18 | prpplague | one sec phone |
| 14:18.24 | prpplague | MothaWork: 128MB nand flash, 128MB ram, 802.11b/g, BT, audio, qvga w/ ts, barcode scanner, mag stripe reader, 5600mAh battery |
| 14:18.36 | prpplague | MothaWork: basically an ipaq on steroids |
| 14:18.41 | MothaWork | no kidding |
| 14:19.14 | MothaWork | any expansion options internally? |
| 14:19.20 | MothaWork | like UART or SPI |
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| 14:19.59 | prpplague | yea there are some ports available, was there something you had in mind? |
| 14:20.02 | MothaWork | many of our apps would require 802.15.4, but we could add that if necessary (though getting all that RF to coexist should be fun...) |
| 14:21.10 | prpplague | MothaWork: would you need BT/wifi as well? |
| 14:21.26 | prpplague | MothaWork: do you have a 802.15.4 module available? |
| 14:21.46 | MothaWork | I can come up with an 802.15.4 module |
| 14:21.57 | MothaWork | and not rendering the BT/Wifi unusable would be a plus |
| 14:22.22 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh, well there is a SPI run to a sd card socket |
| 14:22.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: you could coopt that |
| 14:22.42 | MothaWork | there's not much to the 802.15.4, so we haven't modularized it yet. It's just the RF transceiver, the xtal, a balun, a few passives, and the antenna connector |
| 14:23.41 | MothaWork | could work |
| 14:24.17 | prpplague | MothaWork: need barcode scanning? |
| 14:24.30 | MothaWork | no |
| 14:24.38 | MothaWork | I do like the formfactor, though |
| 14:25.36 | MothaWork | I'm guessing it costs a fair lot more than an ipaq, however |
| 14:25.37 | solar | enters the land of the living |
| 14:26.08 | chouimat|work | watches solar being disappointed |
| 14:26.48 | prpplague | solar: greetings |
| 14:26.58 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, retail will be $1295 |
| 14:30.12 | solar | sellout.woot.com appears to have a cheap 5W solar panel (for the car) |
| 14:32.57 | MothaWork | prpplague: hum, think I can get a buck to operate from 5-6V in, 3.3V out? |
| 14:33.02 | MothaWork | that's awfullyclose |
| 14:33.17 | prpplague | MothaWork: 6v is pretty high |
| 14:33.47 | MothaWork | prpplague: buck |
| 14:33.49 | MothaWork | not linear |
| 14:34.03 | MothaWork | 6V is almost minimally acceptable |
| 14:34.15 | prpplague | MothaWork: for a buck? |
| 14:34.21 | MothaWork | for a 3.3V out buck |
| 14:34.33 | MothaWork | most seem to want at least 2V input over output |
| 14:34.39 | MothaWork | duty cycle limitations and all |
| 14:34.44 | prpplague | MothaWork: hmm, well for buck only yea, i was thinking buck/boost |
| 14:34.55 | MothaWork | nope, plain buck |
| 14:35.06 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: sigh, yea, sorry about that |
| 14:35.10 | g1powermac_PB | stuff is crazy here |
| 14:35.22 | g1powermac_PB | we've just lost two employees |
| 14:35.34 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, i'd use a buck/boost to make sure |
| 14:35.48 | prpplague | MothaWork: most of the buck/boost chips are designed for single cell li-ion |
| 14:35.48 | MothaWork | prpplague: well, then you get the annoying inversion |
| 14:35.55 | prpplague | MothaWork: at 3.0-4.2 |
| 14:35.57 | adyer | g1powermac: did you check the bar? That's where i'd look for them :-) |
| 14:36.45 | chouimat|work | adyer: under the carpet is a good place too ... or the copy room ;) |
| 14:37.00 | prpplague | solar: know any good channels/lists for ISV's ? |
| 14:38.04 | solar | prpplague: just the guys over at BRT. But I don't think that will be that helpful |
| 14:38.31 | prpplague | solar: ahh |
| 14:39.19 | solar | prpplague: that what you were pinging about? |
| 14:42.15 | prpplague | solar: no, just letting you know i'm shipping your 8050 today, and that i'm finishing up the list of stuff today |
| 14:42.39 | prpplague | solar: today is the day to finish up will all the loose ends |
| 14:42.58 | prpplague | solar: the demo went well yesterday, but the customer decided to go with a windows ce device :( |
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| 15:00.01 | prpplague | solar: the boss like what he saw on the image you sent |
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| 15:02.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:03.24 | CosmicPenguin | good morning! |
| 15:07.16 | solar | prpplague: ahh bummer. I had not even got a chance to put the first bit of polish on the linux image |
| 15:07.46 | prpplague | solar: naw, all is good |
| 15:07.51 | solar | prpplague: but that kinda works out. I had a dream last night to a simliar effect |
| 15:08.17 | prpplague | solar: ?? |
| 15:11.09 | solar | just a dream I had. avr+etc.. dream was about if it's even worth doing anymore. |
| 15:13.06 | prpplague | solar: oh? changed your mind ? |
| 15:14.11 | prpplague | solar: i think you may have misunderstood |
| 15:14.24 | prpplague | solar: this was just one potential customer |
| 15:14.34 | prpplague | solar: and it was a long shot anyway |
| 15:15.14 | solar | you still need a linux image then? |
| 15:15.23 | prpplague | solar: absolutely |
| 15:15.50 | prpplague | solar: we meet with probably 45 potential customers a month already for the 8050 |
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| 16:28.17 | MothaWork | oh, has everybody heard that Microchip and ON made an offer on Atmel? |
| 16:28.42 | MothaWork | that was late last week, but I'm not sure I've heard it mentioned in here |
| 16:29.18 | adyer | MothaWork: yeah, was in ee times a few days ago |
| 16:29.50 | MothaWork | adyer: I'm not sure what to make of it |
| 16:30.04 | MothaWork | I pretty much universally have not been impressed with Microchip, but ON's stuff is pretty good |
| 16:30.37 | MothaWork | I suspect that Microchip wants the uC and EEPROM/Flash stuff, while ON probably wants the ASIC stuff and maybe RF to compete with Freescale |
| 16:32.39 | adyer | MothaWork: they said asic will be sold off |
| 16:32.53 | MothaWork | really... |
| 16:32.54 | MothaWork | hum |
| 16:33.05 | MothaWork | just the IP or all the actual fab stuff, too? |
| 16:33.18 | MothaWork | Atmel only has a couple fabs, but they are reasonably modern |
| 16:33.37 | MothaWork | nothing comparable to Intel or IBM/AMD, of course, but still reasonably modern |
| 16:35.20 | adyer | MothaWork:http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=VEA4JNS4S5ODYQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=210605347 |
| 16:38.11 | MothaWork | hum, so pretty close; just nobody wants the ASIC business |
| 16:39.26 | adyer | MothaWork: I would guess eventually avr32 and pic32 would go away in favor of arm for a 32-bit micro |
| 16:39.40 | MothaWork | I would guess that as well |
| 16:39.57 | MothaWork | AVR32 is an oddball. It's neat; it's cool; it serves its market well, but why not use a souped up ARM core? |
| 16:40.18 | adyer | MothaWork: avr vs. pic would be more interesting decision |
| 16:40.28 | MothaWork | well, if they kill AVR, I guess I'll have to move to MSP430 |
| 16:40.33 | MothaWork | because no way in hell I'm using PIC |
| 16:41.03 | MothaWork | clearly, Microchip can't axe the PIC. |
| 16:41.28 | MothaWork | however, I'm not sure they could axe the AVR and migrate users of it over to PIC. They might have to keep them both. |
| 16:43.28 | roxfan | depends on their existing contracts |
| 16:44.00 | MothaWork | well, what I'm saying is that I think many current users of AVR would migrate to something other than PIC if AVR disappeared |
| 16:44.01 | roxfan | they might afford axing new production and just keeping some stock for support |
| 16:44.16 | MothaWork | I'd probably end up on MSP430 |
| 16:44.29 | adyer | MothaWork: they would for a while, the question is long term how do they address the 8/16 bit market. |
| 16:44.35 | MothaWork | nobody here (myself included) can stand the horrible dev tools for PIC |
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| 16:44.50 | MothaWork | adyer: oh, you're thinking they may want to exit the 8/16 bit market entirely? |
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| 16:45.27 | adyer | MothaWork: no, just how do they justify having two very different product lines for that market |
| 16:46.16 | MothaWork | adyer: ah. I agree, that's tough to justify. However, I'm not sure they could successfully migrate the majority of AVR users to PIC. Many many of the AVR users I've talked with like it pretty much because it ISN'T PIC |
| 16:46.31 | MothaWork | I'm talking new design-in, not support of existing designs, here |
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| 16:46.50 | MothaWork | kergoth: pull up a chair and stay a while :) |
| 16:46.57 | kergoth | heh, morning |
| 16:47.21 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I have a datapoint for your build system thoughts |
| 16:47.32 | kergoth | http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10/googles-mail-go.html is so sad |
| 16:47.48 | CosmicPenguin | In all major distributions, it is a royal pain in the ass for OEMs to make custom configurations for gnome and KDE |
| 16:48.07 | kergoth | ah ,that's a good use case to consider |
| 16:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | so say, I want to take a off the shelf debian distribution and plug in my own wallpaper, configure the panel, etc |
| 16:48.26 | CosmicPenguin | thats not trivial - you have to find half a dozen different packages and tweak them |
| 16:49.08 | CosmicPenguin | There is a program called Sabayon that has an interesting approach to this: |
| 16:49.12 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ |
| 16:49.20 | CosmicPenguin | Something like that at the package level would be heavenly |
| 16:49.37 | kergoth | interesting |
| 16:49.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good point indeed |
| 16:50.36 | CosmicPenguin | I'm at a point where we want to start creating images targeted at different embedded markets |
| 16:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | And really, whats the difference between a thin-client image and a media player image? A few different packages and Totem in the panel instead of Firefox |
| 16:51.05 | CosmicPenguin | But those are the least easy changes to make in the build scriipt |
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| 18:24.15 | prpplague | solar: still alive? |
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| 18:59.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you get bothered by the vmware recruiter? |
| 19:00.21 | kergoth | just got that email a little while ago |
| 19:00.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not that i know of |
| 19:00.32 | prpplague | checks his email |
| 19:00.43 | kergoth | recruiters get on my nerves |
| 19:00.51 | CosmicPenguin | LinkedIn strikes again |
| 19:05.18 | kergoth | course, they'd get on my nerves less if i was unemployed, but.. |
| 19:05.20 | kergoth | hehe, http://consumerist.com/5059758/economist-sums-up-financial-crisis-oh-fuck |
| 19:07.08 | solar | prpplague: yep just ordering another 3 solar panels :) |
| 19:07.27 | solar | trying to buy as many as he can off the sellout.woot.com deal |
| 19:08.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i'm low on the list |
| 19:08.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you'll get it, I'm sure |
| 19:08.42 | CosmicPenguin | he is clearly trolling linked in |
| 19:09.11 | solar | Tivo guys spamming you also? |
| 19:09.23 | CosmicPenguin | If I want to work on Virtualization, I'm going to stay where it makes the most sense |
| 19:09.27 | CosmicPenguin | thank you |
| 19:09.29 | CosmicPenguin | in the HARDWARE |
| 19:09.47 | solar | vmware pays pretty ok however. |
| 19:10.20 | keesj_ | if it is in the hardware it's not that virtual i guess |
| 19:10.46 | CosmicPenguin | The "I don't get it" award for the hour goes to... |
| 19:11.48 | keesj | thanks |
| 19:12.42 | prpplague | keesj: don't feel bad, CosmicPenguin usually awards it to me |
| 19:13.13 | CosmicPenguin | I get to award it so much because I'm in the "I don't get it" hall of fame |
| 19:13.45 | kergoth | i know quite a few folks that work at vmware. scanline & chipx86 both work there |
| 19:15.31 | CosmicPenguin | ah - scanline - there's a name I haven't heard in a while |
| 19:16.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i still remember my brilliant boss at abcs |
| 19:16.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when i mentioned using picogui for some stuff he said "is that a new item at taco bell?" |
| 19:23.21 | prpplague | solar: what stuff is the other guy going to do with the 8050? |
| 19:24.31 | solar | userland. cross compile fixes etc. gtk+ |
| 19:29.47 | mnemoc | may I ask what is a "8050"? |
| 19:30.18 | kergoth | is starting to get sick of kernel work |
| 19:34.27 | prpplague | mnemoc: http://www.elinux.org/M8050 |
| 19:34.33 | prpplague | mnemoc: an industrial PDA |
| 19:35.40 | mnemoc | prpplague: oh, thanks.... with something else on the display I would have said "oh, cool!" :) |
| 19:36.33 | mnemoc | prpplague: hammer's processor inside? |
| 19:37.46 | keesj | but the unlabeled white keys are damm cool |
| 19:37.50 | prpplague | mnemoc: it will ship with linux not wince, thats just a screen shot |
| 19:38.10 | prpplague | keesj: hehe, they are actually label, thats just an early rendering |
| 19:38.52 | prpplague | keesj: 0-9 and some function keys |
| 19:38.55 | mnemoc | I was about to ask the same as I didn't find the product in AML's site =) |
| 19:39.09 | prpplague | mnemoc: not due to be release until january |
| 19:52.28 | prpplague | mnemoc: s3c2440 inside |
| 19:54.03 | keesj | I know the 24xx pretty well |
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| 19:58.52 | solar | oh yeah I stand corrected. A week or so ago I said my new phone was a s3c2444. I was wrong. It's a 2442 |
| 19:59.40 | mnemoc | does the last digit defines the speed? |
| 20:00.21 | mnemoc | (I can't find a comparisson table) |
| 20:01.59 | keesj | not really |
| 20:02.39 | keesj | it's more of a (slow) evolution. |
| 20:03.43 | keesj | the main thing that changes between the revisions are all the register location(that is what it feels like anyway) |
| 20:04.46 | mnemoc | ic |
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| 20:30.04 | prpplague | solar: yea i just figured it was a 2442 |
| 20:54.51 | ds2 | the vmware recruiting is legit, AFAIK... |
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| 21:30.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, finally heard back from mallum |
| 21:30.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he seems pretty happy with the buyout |
| 21:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | gee - you think? :) |
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| 21:31.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:32.30 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:34.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't suppose you've been watching trueblood on hbo? |
| 21:35.12 | CosmicPenguin | no, I've been dedicating myself to my Wii |
| 21:35.21 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:36.12 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:36.19 | prpplague | tries to finish up some paperwork |
| 21:36.36 | solar | and a PDF ! |
| 21:37.03 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:37.50 | prpplague | solar: i don't have any of the usb host cables built up, so i just sent a usb slave cable |
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| 22:17.01 | solar | oh tonite is going to be fun |
| 22:17.16 | solar | I get to fire the current acting GF |
| 22:17.47 | solar | she left my house. With my only key. Got an email saying "Your key is under the doormatt" |
| 22:18.39 | solar | hello woman. My entire life is in my house. everything I hold dear and a good chunk of my life savings |
| 22:22.46 | ds2 | Hmmmmmmm |
| 22:23.02 | ds2 | she forgot the flashing neon sign with an arrow pointing to the key! |
| 22:25.01 | solar | even better. She took the mat from the kitchen. Which is all of a 3oz bamboo doormat |
| 22:25.28 | solar | first gust... Gone with the wind. |
| 22:25.43 | ds2 | there is never any wind in the bay area! |
| 22:26.01 | solar | don't hit with her logic :p |
| 22:26.41 | ds2 | <-- have annometer on roof |
| 22:28.09 | solar | oh really? |
| 22:28.43 | solar | I've thought about getting a vertial wind turbine. Think it's a waste in this valley? |
| 22:28.49 | ds2 | yep, playing with weather stations |
| 22:29.07 | ds2 | during the winter, no. the summer/spring times can be spotty |
| 22:29.29 | ds2 | I would like to setup a self powered web server |
| 22:30.06 | solar | today is a good day for that |
| 22:30.31 | ds2 | but no small/cheap turbines |
| 22:30.47 | solar | sellout.woot.com has 5W panels for $15. I've ordered 9 today. 45W normally runs about ~300 |
| 22:30.49 | ds2 | closets is a design around some large PVC pipes + a DC motor |
| 22:31.00 | ds2 | 5W at what voltage? |
| 22:31.02 | solar | DC permanent magnetic motor? |
| 22:31.05 | solar | 12VDC |
| 22:31.28 | ds2 | yeah.. DC PM motors... I have one but there is more fabrication involved to mount it hten I have time for at the moment |
| 22:32.01 | ds2 | 12V @ 5 watt... that's still quite a wiring mess to deal with... I picked up a stack of solar cells a few years ago and still don't have time to wire them up |
| 22:32.26 | ds2 | then there is the cost of getting a good SLA + controller to go with it |
| 22:33.09 | solar | what did you pick up before? |
| 22:33.30 | ds2 | just bare solar cells |
| 22:33.40 | solar | will pretty much buy a few things any day of the year if it's a fair price. Au/Ag and solar |
| 22:33.44 | ds2 | surplus place had them for a good price |
| 22:34.00 | solar | if you want to get rid of them. give a yell |
| 22:34.05 | ds2 | problem with bare cells is they need a mount |
| 22:34.11 | ds2 | I'll trade them for panels ;) hehe |
| 22:34.40 | solar | those DIY skills are not in the mood to come out I take it |
| 22:34.55 | ds2 | no, it is an issue of time |
| 22:35.36 | ds2 | I love spending time in the shop fabricating stuff but a day is only 24 hours and working in front of machinery half way asleep is not a good way to keep all limps in the "OEM configuration" :/ |
| 22:35.53 | solar | monocrystalline cells? |
| 22:36.03 | ds2 | I think so, they are circular |
| 22:37.17 | solar | http://www.siliconsolar.com/commercial-solar-cells-p-16168.html (was thinking to order 50 of these) |
| 22:37.45 | solar | the SS12-.5v @ 2500mA |
| 22:38.49 | ds2 | not bad |
| 22:39.03 | ds2 | but they are bare cell so you'll need to find a base for them and not crack them |
| 22:39.26 | ds2 | I've worked with the rat shack cells before and the fragility was annoying |
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| 22:41.54 | solar | I like the ones I got from DX for 11ish. |
| 22:42.49 | ds2 | they are tempting but the turn around time on them is a bit long -- about 2 weeks to order 1 to see if it works as expected then another 2 weeks to get them in the amount needed |
| 22:42.50 | solar | cute small ones handy for USB alike mini stuff. 4.5V @ 150mA |
| 22:43.07 | ds2 | you got the variable voltage version, IIRC? |
| 22:43.17 | solar | yeah DX did take a really long time to get me the stuff I ordered. |
| 22:43.27 | solar | oh that thing. Yeah I picked up one of those also. |
| 22:43.49 | solar | I've never put it on a real charger and never ran the thing dead yet |
| 22:43.54 | ds2 | I look at geeks.com first.. much quicker turn around but also much limited in selection |
| 22:44.08 | ds2 | you had better luck... I can't seem to get a good charge on it via solar |
| 22:50.32 | solar | same one? |
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| 22:51.27 | solar | I don't think so. I seem to recall you saying you were not that pleased with the one you ordered before and mentioned something about the one I ordered having a feature or two you liked |
| 22:51.49 | ds2 | no, slightly differently... looks physically similar |
| 22:52.25 | solar | I paid $50 but imo it's really $25 worth of consumer crap |
| 22:52.40 | ds2 | I paid a lot less.. $10 or so I think |
| 22:52.47 | solar | handy and I really like to go camping |
| 22:53.14 | ds2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.52 | solar | I've gotten rid of every single bill in my life but PG&E + Rent. |
| 22:54.03 | solar | I want to solve the PG&E problem next |
| 22:54.44 | ds2 | how do you plan to do that? |
| 22:55.14 | solar | next to buy 2 x 200AH AGM's |
| 22:55.31 | ds2 | oh that route |
| 22:55.38 | ds2 | how much should a 200AH AGM go for? |
| 22:56.24 | solar | probably about the same as I'll spend in the year on juice from PG&E |
| 22:56.33 | solar | sec let me do some research |
| 22:56.40 | solar | only need 1 for now |
| 22:56.47 | ds2 | okay, either you are a lot less power hungry or those things are $$$$$$$$$$ |
| 22:57.33 | solar | $366.00 - $501.00 |
| 22:57.42 | ds2 | whoa...that's cheap |
| 22:57.55 | solar | http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/rv-marine/agm/ |
| 22:57.59 | ds2 | so about a $10K total investment |
| 22:58.10 | solar | not even. |
| 22:58.11 | ds2 | (panels + controller + battery + mounting hardware + inverter) |
| 22:58.19 | solar | 600 tops |
| 22:58.32 | solar | well |
| 22:58.56 | solar | give or take a bunch of $$ |
| 22:59.32 | ds2 | it has been a thought in the back of my head |
| 22:59.54 | solar | home owner/renter? |
| 23:00.03 | ds2 | HO |
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| 23:00.22 | solar | then without a doubt it makes sense |
| 23:00.39 | ds2 | my power consumption is apparently a lot higher then yours |
| 23:00.46 | ds2 | and it is the inverters that I don't like |
| 23:01.36 | solar | my cheapest bill here was $13 and the worst was about $80 |
| 23:01.40 | ds2 | so either a lot of heavy gage 12V wires or deal with a lot of inverters |
| 23:01.50 | ds2 | heh... I range from $60 - $120 :( |
| 23:02.11 | solar | my place is only 600sqft |
| 23:02.37 | ds2 | ah.. own or rent? |
| 23:02.48 | solar | stays pretty cool on it's own. And never really gets all that cold in the winter either. |
| 23:03.21 | solar | rent http://www.brickyardsanjose.com/ |
| 23:03.45 | ds2 | how can you do solar then? |
| 23:03.59 | solar | not so well. |
| 23:04.02 | solar | http://www.brickyardsanjose.com/images/courtyard_main.jpg |
| 23:04.12 | ds2 | ah |
| 23:04.15 | solar | in that pic you get an idea of what I'm trying to work with |
| 23:04.20 | solar | a window and a balcony |
| 23:04.39 | ds2 | are you facing south? |
| 23:05.04 | solar | south enough. My best light is from 9-2 then the shade of the building takes over |
| 23:05.34 | ds2 | what are you doing for mounts? |
| 23:06.20 | solar | I've not figured that yet. When these cheap colemans get here I'll see if it's best to make a home depot run and pick up some Au framing |
| 23:06.41 | solar | or mount them to a thin peice of plexi |
| 23:06.47 | ds2 | uh... Au framing?!?? |
| 23:06.48 | solar | or other.. |
| 23:06.57 | ds2 | security might be your bigger issue there ;) |
| 23:07.43 | ds2 | Au == gold! |
| 23:07.44 | solar | doh :) |
| 23:07.48 | solar | haha good point. |
| 23:07.53 | solar | I think I had meant Al |
| 23:08.20 | ds2 | makes more sense but wasn't sure if you needed the extra conductivity |
| 23:08.50 | solar | green gone wild |
| 23:10.09 | solar | heh for sure not gold. Just some angled L peices aluminum I was thinking with a simple thin backing |
| 23:10.42 | ds2 | I wonder if it is worthwhole to make a tracking setup |
| 23:10.46 | solar | if I opted for that. I'd be taking the ones I just ordered apart and mounting them to the other |
| 23:11.01 | solar | If you are a home owner then yes it is |
| 23:11.14 | solar | well "house" with a yard |
| 23:11.38 | ds2 | I'd say the opposite - you have a much more limited (blocked out) setup |
| 23:11.43 | solar | can be made on the cheap and boosts your intake by quite a bit. |
| 23:11.57 | ds2 | yard is for micro farming |
| 23:12.06 | ds2 | roof is for solar |
| 23:12.49 | solar | ahh. yeah if not willing to do a pole mount setup close to the gound then solar tracking is much harder |
| 23:13.15 | ds2 | right.. where as you could do a tripod type thing |
| 23:14.01 | solar | what might be neat if you don't mind your neighbors would be to use a solar mirror/refelector off the chimmey pointing at your panels and invert a solar tracker on that |
| 23:14.25 | solar | by midning them.. Sometimes you might create one heck of a glare :) |
| 23:14.52 | ds2 | heh... that'd be dangerous... chimney gets used for the intended purpose |
| 23:15.22 | ds2 | those solar shingles are very tempting but are $$$ at the moment |
| 23:16.51 | solar | No. It's just a dish. With foil or a nice one is a pure mirror |
| 23:17.24 | solar | edmund scientific has a few for fairly cheap |
| 23:17.52 | ds2 | I mean anything on the chimney is dangerous |
| 23:18.00 | solar | oh yeah |
| 23:18.28 | solar | well you can mount it whereever ya like clearly |
| 23:18.51 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 23:19.20 | solar | anyway I really enjoy taking about this kinda stuff so I'll try to shutup. But if you are ever thinking to do it and want an ear to bounce some ideas off of.. |
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| 23:22.18 | ds2 | =) I don't mind hearing about it |
| 23:22.36 | ds2 | it is a bit more useful then just browsing the home power rag at BN |
| 23:24.41 | solar | well then back to the wind that you are seeing |
| 23:25.33 | solar | got measurements on it? Enough to drive a PM? Cuz there is one really nice old used PM you can still probably find that puts out 99V at a pretty low rpm |
| 23:27.33 | solar | also being that you are a home owner you probably would not need AGM or Sealed Gels. So that brings your cost on batts down to about 125 each |
| 23:30.47 | ds2 | nope measurements on them yet |
| 23:31.06 | ds2 | these are suppose to be pulls from 1/2" reel to reel drives |
| 23:31.24 | ds2 | things are not consistant enough to not use a storage system |
| 23:31.58 | solar | http://tinyurl.com/48ypt2 $111 each |
| 23:33.44 | ds2 | not a good sign when they provide CCA ratings |
| 23:34.44 | solar | heh. I like everything about AGM and Sealed Gels better but the price |
| 23:35.02 | solar | and really don't love gels all that much. far to picky about clean charges |
| 23:35.27 | ds2 | one site are saying GEL's are relatively rare for anything of a significant size |
| 23:35.45 | ds2 | so a lot of gels are really agm's |
| 23:37.07 | solar | http://www.batterystuff.com/tutorial_battery_gel_agm.html (good quick read on the diff) |
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| 23:38.55 | ds2 | there are a bunch of pages like that |
| 23:39.30 | solar | likes to get urls also |
| 23:39.46 | ds2 | if I could find them |
| 23:39.46 | solar | saves many hrs of research |
| 23:40.27 | ds2 | http://www.zbattery.com/AGM-vs-Gel-Cell-sealed-lead-acid-batteries |
| 23:40.38 | ds2 | that seem to suggests there are more AGM's then SLA's |
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