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| 00:08.35 | sunrunner20 | god |
| 00:08.36 | sunrunner20 | guys |
| 00:08.51 | sunrunner20 | http://brainspore.net/csemail.txt |
| 00:09.40 | roxfan | ? |
| 00:10.56 | sunrunner20 | is it too much |
| 00:10.58 | sunrunner20 | for a grader |
| 00:11.03 | sunrunner20 | to enter a REAL name |
| 00:11.08 | sunrunner20 | before pronouncing it broken |
| 00:11.13 | sunrunner20 | and sending me an email? |
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| 00:11.28 | roxfan | maybe |
| 00:11.41 | roxfan | but what if someone actually has a name "A"? |
| 00:11.55 | sunrunner20 | I've never seen it |
| 00:12.00 | roxfan | so? |
| 00:13.00 | sunrunner20 | then they could enter Aa >_> |
| 00:13.08 | sunrunner20 | and edit the second a out later |
| 00:13.41 | sunrunner20 | the point is, the teacher wants us to filter our user input |
| 00:14.46 | sunrunner20 | regex was the only way to do it to make sure it was letters, and I figured while I was at it I might was well make sure they capatalized it while they were at it |
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| 00:16.20 | roxfan | well i can certainly share his puzzlement |
| 00:16.40 | roxfan | maybe if you specified the actual reason it failed check it would help :_ |
| 00:16.41 | sunrunner20 | I can't considering he had to compile it from source |
| 00:16.42 | roxfan | :) |
| 00:17.18 | CosmicPenguin | you are learning an important lesson - your perception of reality and the users perception of reality are not the same thing |
| 00:19.23 | sunrunner20 | this guy's just an idiot |
| 00:19.36 | sunrunner20 | trust me - lol |
| 00:19.52 | sunrunner20 | idiot or really really lazy |
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| 00:31.37 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
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| 00:31.42 | prpplague | merry freakin debate night |
| 00:32.00 | prpplague | pea: hey hey, hows the embedded dev going? |
| 00:32.05 | ds2 | again?! ;) |
| 00:32.40 | pea | slowly :( |
| 00:33.22 | pea | time pinched--repairing some ancient perl-Mason web stuff. |
| 00:34.44 | prpplague | pea: fun fun |
| 00:34.59 | prpplague | ds2: whats cookin? recovering from the demo prep? |
| 00:37.17 | ds2 | prpplague: yep. hadn't do that much work in that short amount of time since school! |
| 00:40.32 | prpplague | ds2: hehe |
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| 00:42.05 | solar | gets a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that all this shit I've been doing with gentoo for years in coming in handy for somebody other than me |
| 00:43.23 | ds2 | solar: thanks again for the userspace. it solved a lot of problems |
| 00:44.23 | solar | actually prpplague/aml should thank you. I think he is using the some of the same build on the 8050 as a test from me. |
| 00:44.37 | solar | and I would of spent a long time researching the BT problem |
| 00:44.52 | solar | before I would of found a working combo :) |
| 00:45.33 | ds2 | heh amazing how everything ties together.... if this wasn't open source, each one of us would have had to do it seperately and blow probally more then 3x the time |
| 00:45.48 | prpplague | ds2 / solar indeed |
| 00:45.59 | ds2 | okay, guess I will swing by ARM devcon tomorrow |
| 00:46.09 | prpplague | ds2: yea i wanted to go to that |
| 00:46.31 | ds2 | prpplague: still can ;) |
| 00:46.49 | prpplague | ds2: naw, too many irons in the fire |
| 00:47.45 | prpplague | solar: like i said, so far, i have you on for a KDT-750 kiosk and a M8000 |
| 00:48.12 | prpplague | solar: we'll do a nice piece of PR announcing the the M8050 is available with gentoo |
| 00:48.34 | prpplague | solar: i'd like to annouce that it has support for ubuntu and OE builds, but oh well |
| 00:49.18 | prpplague | solar: once the next rev of boards are ready, which should 2-3 weeks, i can parse out the current rev to people for dev |
| 00:49.43 | solar | Hey I have nfc what a KDT-750 is |
| 00:50.18 | solar | is it fun? Can I reuse it when said project is done? |
| 00:50.29 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ping |
| 00:51.57 | prpplague | ce_geek: pong, i was just thinking about you |
| 00:52.29 | prpplague | solar: its a kiosk style device similiar to what you expect for a price checker in a store |
| 00:52.46 | prpplague | solar: has a s3c2410, basically identical insides as the hammer |
| 00:53.01 | prpplague | solar: full vga screen |
| 00:53.14 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh? |
| 00:53.30 | prpplague | ce_geek: just wondering how things were going? |
| 00:53.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: not heard back from rick in awhile |
| 00:53.54 | solar | MT7570 looks handy :) |
| 00:54.07 | ce_geek | prpplague: Turbulent :) Bouncing all over the place, trying to change things at work so I'm doing more work with C. |
| 00:54.29 | ce_geek | prpplague: Have you ever contacted Rick directly? |
| 00:54.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: i sent him a couple emails but never heard back |
| 00:54.57 | ce_geek | Roughly when? |
| 00:55.05 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'll follow up. |
| 00:56.47 | prpplague | ce_geek: last one was about a month ago |
| 00:56.57 | ds2 | prpplague: work remotely |
| 00:57.43 | prpplague | ds2: ?/ |
| 00:57.45 | prpplague | ? |
| 00:57.54 | ds2 | prpplague: <prpplague> ds2: naw, too many irons in the fire |
| 00:58.03 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 00:58.09 | prpplague | ds2: naw, still too much to deal with |
| 00:58.14 | prpplague | ds2: since they fired the EEdiot |
| 00:58.28 | prpplague | ds2: i have had triple duties cleaning up the mess |
| 00:58.39 | ds2 | prpplague: on the hammer, using the SPI SD slot, how long do you think it would take to write out about 50K onto a FAT fs on the SD card? |
| 00:58.43 | prpplague | ds2: i suspect i has been the least amount of time you've seen me on irc in ages |
| 00:58.55 | ds2 | prpplague: at least that is solveable now...just a matter of time |
| 00:59.21 | prpplague | ds2: just a rough guess, 500-1000 ms |
| 00:59.48 | prpplague | ds2: i've been getting about 250Kbyte/s transfers on average with ext2 |
| 01:00.05 | prpplague | ds2: and i've not really optomized any of it |
| 01:00.27 | ds2 | prpplague: hmmm that kills one idea I had for the hammer |
| 01:00.27 | prpplague | ds2: i'm able to boot and run via the spi running ext2 with no problems |
| 01:00.48 | prpplague | ds2: i can run a test for you in the morning and answer it with certainty |
| 01:01.18 | ds2 | prpplague: no need... the numbers I am thinking of and what you are guessing are too far away |
| 01:01.49 | ds2 | wonder how much faster would using a USB stick be |
| 01:03.03 | prpplague | ds2: much faster |
| 01:03.10 | prpplague | ds2: what kind of range did you need? |
| 01:03.19 | prpplague | ds2: you have me wondering now |
| 01:03.27 | prpplague | ds2: i'll do the test anyway |
| 01:03.29 | ds2 | prpplague: let me describe what I am thinking of... maybe you know of a better way to address it |
| 01:04.26 | ds2 | prpplague: you've seen the links for those rocket/kit/RC plane cams, right? thinking of using the hammer as a camera controller with: Storage, Hammer, USB camera; goal is maybe 2-5 fps |
| 01:05.07 | ds2 | figuring a frame is about 50K or so.. I can probally get away with uncompressed frames |
| 01:05.40 | prpplague | ds2: thats doable, the main problem is going to be power source, you'd need a good buck/boost for that |
| 01:05.59 | prpplague | ds2: usb stick would be a better choice than the sd card |
| 01:06.06 | ds2 | prpplague: that and weigh... |
| 01:06.16 | prpplague | ds2: or a small usb sd card reader |
| 01:06.28 | ds2 | prpplague: USB stick is heavier and requires 5V... plain SD card solves both problems |
| 01:06.42 | prpplague | ds2: you wanting to make something commercial? |
| 01:07.23 | ds2 | prpplague: no... this is just another one off... amateur aerial photograph is a hobby of mine and I been banging my head trying to get a better system working with just a PIC |
| 01:07.26 | solar | Heads up. The phillips/uvc stuff is a pita to cross compile. |
| 01:07.47 | prpplague | uvc stuff? |
| 01:08.10 | solar | USB video device class |
| 01:08.14 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:08.18 | ds2 | solar: heh.. I been fighting the gspca stuff instead... no $$ for such new cameras |
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| 01:08.33 | prpplague | we've tested some of the cameras already with the hammer, its not too bad |
| 01:08.49 | prpplague | ds2: ok here is the thing |
| 01:09.01 | prpplague | ds2: most of the usb devices actually use 3.3v |
| 01:09.16 | prpplague | ds2: they just have a ldo in them to step down from 5v to 3.3v |
| 01:09.31 | prpplague | ds2: i'd get a usb thumb drive sd card reader |
| 01:09.31 | solar | ds2: I have a orbit quick cam you are welcome to barrow. If you can get the PTZ functions working in the driver you can have it. As long as you share the driver work with the world so I can go buy another |
| 01:09.38 | ds2 | I am not reworking my cameras to work around that |
| 01:09.39 | prpplague | ds2: hack it for 3.3v |
| 01:09.45 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 01:10.23 | prpplague | ds2: let me ponder it over night |
| 01:10.26 | ds2 | solar: thanks but no thanks. no time |
| 01:10.44 | ds2 | prpplague: I can do the 5V w/o too much issue... Maxim has a 500mA charge pump that can do it |
| 01:11.27 | ds2 | I just much rather not put in another 5V device; the other thing is room... USB readers tend to be "SD" whereas, I think a tiny microSD socket would be nicer |
| 01:11.51 | prpplague | ds2: yea, we are using microsd as well |
| 01:12.06 | prpplague | ds2: let me do some tests in the morning to give you an accurate measurement |
| 01:12.17 | ds2 | this is just an idea that came up when I was building the demo... the hammer is a quick and cheap USB platform |
| 01:12.24 | prpplague | would be nice to post that info on the wiki |
| 01:12.32 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 01:13.03 | prpplague | lordy lordy i forgot i have to send some patches to RP |
| 01:13.20 | prpplague | needs to start staying awake for 20 hours a day |
| 01:13.37 | ds2 | 20hours a day doesn't work well for over a week :( |
| 01:14.51 | solar | 18 is doable |
| 01:14.53 | prpplague | ds2: yea well i used to before i discovered the benefits of a frosty glass of beer |
| 01:15.16 | solar | ahh those fun things that I'm enjoying right now |
| 01:15.30 | prpplague | when i worked for abcsinc , i actually had one week with 109 billable hours |
| 01:15.34 | ds2 | other things catch up |
| 01:15.43 | ce_geek | prpplague: Just sent followup. |
| 01:15.51 | ds2 | the body will start complaining in other ways |
| 01:16.19 | solar | indeed |
| 01:16.39 | prpplague | ce_geek: thanks, sales of the hammer have picked up some so the boss is ready to send out some more eval kits, i'll check with on yours |
| 01:17.23 | ds2 | still not dark yet... I should make pictures of the hammer/beagle board |
| 01:17.33 | ds2 | hard to control the light with all the natural light around |
| 01:19.32 | prpplague | its funny, you hear people talk about what they would do if they won the lottery |
| 01:19.51 | prpplague | if i won, i;d start up a embedded linux thinktank |
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| 01:22.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: cool, thank you |
| 01:22.28 | prpplague | that deserves a "WTFO" |
| 01:22.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: sorry it's taken so long, but the boss has been kinda tight on the eval kits lately |
| 01:23.19 | agaffney | talk about a jack of all trades |
| 01:29.19 | ce_geek | prpplague: I understand. |
| 01:29.56 | prpplague | agaffney: indeed |
| 01:34.13 | ds2 | i suspect what they really intended to say in those listing is, they want some sort of cross disciplinary person |
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| 01:41.10 | prpplague | ds2: yea i agree |
| 01:41.27 | prpplague | ds2: another posting wants someone with experience on active sync and linux drivers |
| 01:42.35 | agaffney | this is what happens when non-technical HR people write ads for technical jobs |
| 01:42.44 | prpplague | solar: i don't understand why there are so many job postings for OSS and linux devrs in the bay area |
| 01:43.19 | prpplague | agaffney: i'm guessing they are doing a linux based device, that needs to sync with a windows ce device |
| 01:59.13 | agaffney | maybe, but it's still an odd combo for one person |
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| 02:07.54 | prpplague | agaffney: yea pretty silly combo |
| 02:08.08 | prpplague | agaffney: my boss has beeen pushing me to do wince dev |
| 02:10.20 | agaffney | ewww |
| 02:10.55 | prpplague | agaffney: yea i;ve checked with a couple lawyers they seem to think even looking at some of the wince code could be a problem for me |
| 02:11.17 | agaffney | I'd say that's a pretty good defense to use with your boss :P |
| 02:11.21 | ds2 | or it could be they are doing Linux for the first time so the hiring mgr asks for software engineers for the Linux which the HR person then modifies an existing job desc fro a "software engineer" |
| 02:13.33 | prpplague | ds2: thats possible as well |
| 02:13.58 | prpplague | my favorite is 10 years experience with windows 2000 |
| 02:14.26 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:21.11 | ds2 | they don't expect that position to be filled for a few years |
| 02:21.14 | ds2 | ;) |
| 02:22.53 | agaffney | on a somewhat related note |
| 02:23.00 | agaffney | I had an interview recently for a php developer position |
| 02:23.26 | agaffney | it required php experience and at least 3 years general programming experience |
| 02:23.33 | agaffney | "How long have you been programming?" |
| 02:23.38 | agaffney | "Since I was 7" |
| 02:23.50 | agaffney | "Well, assuming you're more than 10 years old, I guess we're good there" |
| 02:24.01 | agaffney | I got a chuckle out of it :P |
| 02:24.12 | ds2 | Ob question - did they ask for photo id before hand? ;) |
| 02:24.22 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:24.33 | agaffney | I'm just waiting to get a formal offer for that job |
| 02:24.44 | agaffney | I've already got it, but the offer should come in a few days |
| 02:25.01 | agaffney | php dev which will transition into a linux sysadmin gig later |
| 02:25.11 | agaffney | for a fantasy sports company |
| 02:25.18 | ds2 | what do they expect "linux sysadmin" to do? |
| 02:25.50 | agaffney | they have 100+ servers running RHEL and CentOS |
| 02:26.05 | agaffney | that's what :P |
| 02:26.07 | ds2 | so basically install monkey? |
| 02:26.21 | agaffney | nah, normal maintenance, I'd assume |
| 02:26.25 | agaffney | they only have one full time admin |
| 02:26.33 | agaffney | and one that straddles between admin and php dev |
| 02:26.46 | agaffney | I'll find out later |
| 02:26.58 | agaffney | it'll be an interesting job |
| 02:27.02 | agaffney | relatively easy, I'd think |
| 02:27.03 | ds2 | Hmm |
| 02:27.04 | agaffney | either side of it |
| 02:27.13 | agaffney | I've got a friend who works there, and he recommended the place to me |
| 02:27.21 | agaffney | he knows enough to warn me away if that was the case ;) |
| 02:27.22 | ds2 | could be boring if it is just install monkey aka reimage machine if anything breaks |
| 02:27.43 | agaffney | it'd mean lots of paid free time :) |
| 02:27.54 | agaffney | but they have a large backlog of php projects to catch up on first |
| 02:27.57 | agaffney | which is where I'd start |
| 02:28.09 | ds2 | that gets old esp if it constantly breaks and they won't budget to fix it |
| 02:28.28 | agaffney | I don't think they're too terribly stingy |
| 02:28.49 | agaffney | and they just got a bunch of new hardware after their parent company bought another fantasty sports company and merged them |
| 02:29.01 | agaffney | much of it with support contracts |
| 02:29.05 | agaffney | hurray for support contracts |
| 02:29.28 | agaffney | I guess I'll find out |
| 02:29.44 | agaffney | I'm leaving my current job because of bullshit corporate politics |
| 02:30.15 | agaffney | company president and his superiors at our parent company trying to fire my boss (the COO) for no reason other than a high salary and that they don't "get him" |
| 02:30.18 | agaffney | he's been there 30 years |
| 02:30.28 | agaffney | longer than the company has officially existed |
| 02:30.40 | agaffney | after him, they'll be gunning for other high salary people |
| 02:30.53 | agaffney | and the target will be on my back eventually, because my boss and I are very similar |
| 02:31.01 | agaffney | especially in that the higher-ups don't "get us" |
| 02:31.03 | ds2 | standard operation, gut company, move on, repeat ad inf |
| 02:31.30 | agaffney | the funny thing is that we're the only child company in the US (they have 2 others) that actually makes money |
| 02:31.35 | agaffney | and they're trying to change everything around |
| 02:31.48 | agaffney | shrugs |
| 02:31.49 | agaffney | oh well |
| 02:32.00 | agaffney | I got 4 years of experience to put on my resume |
| 02:32.48 | prpplague | agaffney: yea my brother was just on the phone discussing how business is so different from when our parents and granparents were working |
| 02:33.02 | prpplague | agaffney: its all about the mass bonus and move on |
| 02:33.16 | prpplague | agaffney: even just 30 years ago people believed in a company |
| 02:33.35 | prpplague | agaffney: i think it all stems from the fact that companies in the US don't do pensions any more |
| 02:33.48 | prpplague | agaffney: it doesn't encourage company loyalty |
| 02:33.54 | agaffney | this company was "stuck in the past" in that manner until the buy out 5 years ago |
| 02:34.23 | prpplague | hmm, my firefox isn't playing audio with youtube videos :( |
| 02:34.27 | agaffney | and it really went downhill when the original owner left (after his contractual obligation to stay) and appointed a "VP of marketing" he knew as the new president |
| 02:34.39 | agaffney | about 2 years ago |
| 02:35.01 | agaffney | does nothing but kiss his superiors' asses and shit on the rest of us |
| 02:35.14 | agaffney | and make bad decisions because he doesn't understand the company or even attempt to |
| 02:35.28 | prpplague | marketing to president is a killer |
| 02:35.57 | agaffney | as my boss says, this guy isn't suited for anything higher than middle management at walmart |
| 02:36.05 | prpplague | agaffney: same problem i;ve had twice |
| 02:36.31 | agaffney | it's the "new way" |
| 02:37.54 | agaffney | weeps for the past and heads to bed |
| 02:42.32 | prpplague | weird no audio on you tube |
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| 03:04.41 | prpplague | crap |
| 03:04.51 | prpplague | can't figure out whats wrong with the flash player |
| 03:04.53 | prpplague | no audio |
| 03:10.48 | ds2 | could be the original codec is unknown to the converter |
| 03:11.40 | chouimat|Zzzz | prpplague: http://consumerist.com/5059758/the-economist-sums-up-financial-crisis-oh-fuck (sorry it's in the url) |
| 03:12.21 | prpplague | chouimat|Zzzz: cute |
| 03:12.35 | prpplague | ds2: plays the video ok, just no sound |
| 03:12.36 | chouimat|Zzzz | prpplague: so true |
| 03:14.30 | ds2 | audio and video codecs are different |
| 03:20.24 | prpplague | ds2: yea found it fedora needs a couple extra libs |
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| 03:24.22 | ds2 | u using adobe or gnash or swfdec? |
| 03:25.23 | prpplague | adobe |
| 03:35.23 | solar | anybody know the basics to tasers? Are they just a bank of capacitors and some voltage stepping? |
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| 05:13.35 | MonMotha | solar: usually a chopper followed by a voltage doubler ladder (so it repeatedly doubles the voltage) and then something to limit the discharge current |
| 05:14.37 | MonMotha | most tasers also are set up to output low frequency (dozen Hz or so) AC as that incapacitates better than DC |
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| 14:04.12 | solar | MonMotha: thanks. |
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| 15:58.11 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:59.19 | CosmicPenguin | Fedora - it is not my friend |
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| 16:24.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yo |
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| 17:29.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: que paso? |
| 17:29.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry was helping out the IT staff this morning with a server issue |
| 17:34.18 | ds2 | prpplague: check out http://www.hy-research.com/beagle/beagle6a-mini.jpg |
| 17:35.59 | prpplague | looks |
| 17:36.28 | prpplague | ds2: HA cute |
| 17:37.15 | ds2 | that's the finish thing... if I had the right LEDs, I could have lite up the beagle and the hammer seperately but no sources of emerald green SMT's available locally |
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| 20:48.41 | CosmicPenguin | woo - SB600 documents are live |
| 20:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_15872,00.html |
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