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| 01:47.54 | ds2 | @#$%@#$#@$ busybox |
| 01:48.28 | agaffney | indeed |
| 01:48.33 | agaffney | can you be more specific? :P |
| 02:22.25 | ds2 | yeah, insmod -f foo.ko doesn't work |
| 02:22.40 | ds2 | it bombs out with cannot open -f even though the built in help says that should work |
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| 13:36.35 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin friday |
| 13:37.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day |
| 13:38.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: whats cookin on the farm today? |
| 13:39.29 | GPSFan | prpplague: not much today, hay is all in, sheep are in their winter pens, waiting for some "weather" this weekend. new linux kernel... |
| 13:40.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: 2.6.27 out? |
| 13:40.25 | GPSFan | indeed |
| 13:40.59 | prpplague | lovely |
| 13:41.11 | prpplague | lot of breakage for s3c24xx stuff |
| 13:42.46 | GPSFan | no doubt there will be much breakage. ;>( any thoughts on the new UBIFS? |
| 14:09.44 | wmat | ford up 23 cents |
| 14:09.51 | wmat | ugh, wrong window |
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| 14:13.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: its gone through alot of development, so it will be interesting to see how stable it is |
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| 14:20.11 | prpplague | man the markets are falling |
| 14:20.31 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: heh, i just said something like that in another channel |
| 14:21.05 | g1powermac_PB | supposedly we hit 1933 levels |
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| 14:24.06 | prpplague | blames CosmicPenguin for the market meltdown |
| 14:24.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i told you to stop hacking the wall street computers |
| 14:24.43 | g1powermac_PB | haha |
| 14:25.10 | g1powermac_PB | so hows it going prpplague? I haven't been around here much |
| 14:25.34 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: not very good, been working non-stop from 8am to 6pm |
| 14:25.44 | g1powermac_PB | fun, fun |
| 14:26.17 | g1powermac_PB | still working on that one project? |
| 14:26.24 | solar | had to work late to prep for this launch. Forbidden City in Beijing - http://www.beyondspaceandtime.org/FCBSTWeb/web/index.html#link=whatis |
| 14:27.17 | g1powermac_PB | solar: interesting |
| 14:27.30 | CosmicPenguin | I'm excited for the stock market - I can't wait to buy in |
| 14:30.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, it's a good deal if you have money |
| 14:31.46 | solar | I'm sticking with metals |
| 14:32.19 | prpplague | is sticking with paying the bills and buying food |
| 14:35.34 | prpplague | solar: shoot i just remembered, you don't go into the office on friday, guess you'll have to get the 8050 on monday |
| 14:36.18 | prpplague | lots of people are speculating this is the start of another great depression |
| 14:37.01 | wmat | prpplague: I bought a POS-X Xi3000 scanner last night :) |
| 14:37.23 | prpplague | wmat: oh yea? for how much? |
| 14:37.51 | wmat | prpplague: 145 |
| 14:40.29 | wmat | I got bored of shopping around, essentially |
| 14:47.05 | solar | prpplague: what was that tracking number again? You shipped overnight? |
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| 18:48.45 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:49.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: three times today, i've been called in to a meeting to discuss using wince on our handhelds :( |
| 18:49.31 | g1powermac | hmm, the market is still crashing. . . |
| 18:50.12 | g1powermac | supposedly in ten minutes is going to be a change in the current crash |
| 18:50.24 | g1powermac | either it'll get a whole lot worse or recover a bit |
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| 19:16.33 | prpplague | g1powermac: seems to be coming up |
| 19:18.25 | prpplague | ~quote dji |
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| 19:24.18 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea |
| 19:25.54 | g1powermac | crazy, the dow is swinging wildly |
| 19:36.00 | prpplague | g1powermac: wow closed up |
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| 19:36.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: give in to the winceeee |
| 19:36.47 | methril|laptop | yo |
| 19:36.55 | prpplague | methril|laptop: greetings |
| 19:37.15 | methril|laptop | greetings prpplague |
| 19:37.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like i might if i want to stay with AML(which doesn't seem likely) |
| 19:37.40 | methril|laptop | i have a question |
| 19:37.50 | methril|laptop | for only USB firmware what do you prefer? |
| 19:37.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, bail, bail bail |
| 19:38.00 | methril|laptop | AVER or some ARM? |
| 19:38.17 | prpplague | methril|laptop: you'll need to provide some more info about your intended goal |
| 19:38.19 | methril|laptop | s/AVER/SVR |
| 19:38.47 | methril|laptop | well, is to develop HW/SW, it's still a IDEA looks like a USB device |
| 19:38.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i really don't want to mess with wince |
| 19:39.27 | methril|laptop | i'm confortable with PIC, HCS, & ARM |
| 19:39.28 | prpplague | methril|laptop: not sure i under, but i suspect you are trying to build a small usb enabled device? |
| 19:39.35 | methril|laptop | yes |
| 19:39.43 | methril|laptop | you get it prpplague |
| 19:39.46 | methril|laptop | :) |
| 19:40.41 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 19:41.28 | methril|laptop | well, i need to put a CCD |
| 19:41.43 | methril|laptop | or other kind of sensors |
| 19:43.22 | methril|laptop | with this device are you able to debug (for example via openocd) a ARM board? |
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| 21:09.04 | prpplague | methril|laptop: yes the nail board has jtag debug device built-in |
| 21:20.05 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:20.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is it time to start drinking yet? |
| 21:21.49 | prpplague | surprised we haven't seen any annoucement from sflc |
| 21:22.27 | ds2 | these cups from LPC are pretty nice... almost by themselves made the LPC worth attending ;) |
| 21:22.40 | prpplague | ds2: oh yea? |
| 21:23.05 | ds2 | yeah, it keeps hot things hot for a long time and is not ceramic so it won't break |
| 21:23.40 | CosmicPenguin | makes my water taste metalic after a while though |
| 21:24.01 | ds2 | oh? I had water in there overnight and no change |
| 21:24.15 | ds2 | wonder if your water is on the acid side? |
| 21:24.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: man this barcode scanning interface is a monster, i'm wondering if it would have been better to write a dedicated driver rather than use all the kernel subsystems |
| 21:25.19 | CosmicPenguin | if you don't care about the driver going anywhere, that always an option |
| 21:27.02 | ds2 | prpplague: why not make it an input device? or you still afraid of hackers using it to steal data? |
| 21:27.51 | prpplague | ds2: one of our requierments is that it not be standard keyboard data |
| 21:28.06 | ds2 | prpplague: okay. don't agree with that but okay. |
| 21:28.23 | prpplague | ds2: why is that? |
| 21:28.45 | prpplague | ds2: you can turn it on for keyboard data if you want, but the default goes to a device node |
| 21:28.53 | ds2 | prpplague: cuz standard keyboard data makes it very easy to integrate with my apps |
| 21:29.10 | ds2 | it is the reason why I haven't turned my symbol palm device into a library management tool |
| 21:29.33 | prpplague | ds2: thats fine, just have the keyboard daemon start on boot |
| 21:29.53 | ds2 | pesky symbol wants $$$$ for their keyboard shim if I don't want to use their SDK and write my own custom app. All I want to do is scan the ISBN into a memo (palm OS app) |
| 21:30.03 | ds2 | prpplague: what is the advantage of non keyboard mode? |
| 21:30.55 | prpplague | ds2: security, alot of companies what the data to go directly into the application, in addition they can do things like require the data be from the scanner, or require the data from the keyboard |
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| 21:31.39 | ds2 | prpplague: I cannot agree with that; it is a false sense of security |
| 21:32.00 | prpplague | ds2: why is that a false sense of security? |
| 21:32.42 | ds2 | prpplague: you are trying to rely on the physical input methods for security. But if I have physical access, I can circumvent those things just about as easily |
| 21:33.22 | ds2 | old rule with routers - if you have physical access, you own the device, password or not. and that's the philosophy of the cisco routers; same idea with the Sun workstations |
| 21:34.26 | prpplague | ds2: i don't follow |
| 21:34.33 | ds2 | example... with about $30 worth of equipment, I can be printing up fake bar codes... |
| 21:34.35 | prpplague | ds2: how do you have access to the data? |
| 21:34.49 | ds2 | how is forcing the scanner to input my fake data more secure then me typing in bad data? |
| 21:35.18 | prpplague | ds2: because your fake data won't work unless it was generated with the correct encryption |
| 21:35.23 | ds2 | prpplague: to use a scanner, I generally need to be physically proximate to the scanner itself |
| 21:35.46 | ds2 | prpplague: okay, if there is encryption, I would not be able to type it in either |
| 21:36.11 | ds2 | so, what are you securing against then? |
| 21:36.42 | prpplague | ds2: the first level is to make sure that the user can't type the code in from the keyboard |
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| 21:37.17 | prpplague | ds2: second is that fake barcode scans aren't made |
| 21:37.33 | prpplague | ds2: and third that the device scanning the barcode matches the device authorized to do the scan |
| 21:38.12 | ds2 | prpplague: what kind of bar codes are you taking about? most barcodes print what is encoded on there right on the barcode itself (i.e. UPC, ISBN) |
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| 21:39.33 | prpplague | ds2: yea, these are barcodes generated with customer applications |
| 21:39.41 | ds2 | so I don't see how practical is a "encrypted"/"offuscated" bar code |
| 21:40.35 | ds2 | so this is more for propping up an obfuscation scheme |
| 21:40.43 | prpplague | ds2: again, if they can't type the barcode in by hand, that means they have to have a barcode to scan |
| 21:40.59 | ds2 | the moment I can print out my own codes, bye bye security |
| 21:41.40 | prpplague | ds2: if they want to make a fake barcode then need to first read the barcode on some other device, and then generate the barcode |
| 21:42.13 | prpplague | ds2: next they have to make sure they scan it with the authorized device |
| 21:42.18 | ds2 | prpplague: for 1D barcodes, reading it can be pretty trivial |
| 21:42.29 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 21:43.06 | prpplague | ds2: its not a matter of it being breakable or not, its adding enough layers to make it difficult and provide opportunties for people to get caught |
| 21:43.27 | ds2 | even banks don't try this with the mag strips (PIN is not on any of the 3 tracks) so I think they know better then to try simple ofuscation games |
| 21:43.46 | ds2 | prpplague: it all comes down to, IMO, if you can't trust the operator, you are hosed. |
| 21:44.32 | prpplague | ds2: its a little more than ofuscation |
| 21:44.45 | prpplague | ds2: each handheld has its own rsa key |
| 21:45.22 | ds2 | prpplague: so I "borrow" the handheld for 24hours... |
| 21:45.45 | prpplague | ds2: doesn't work since it won't be on the network |
| 21:47.19 | prpplague | ds2: like i said, its not unbeatable, they just want it difficult enough for people to get caught |
| 21:48.15 | prpplague | ds2: one example is they use our handhelds for some security guards rounds |
| 21:49.36 | prpplague | ds2: when the guard comes to a station it logs on to the ap, he scans a barcode attached to a post, he then enters on the keypad his pin, then all the data including the handheld device id is encrypted and sent to the server |
| 21:51.02 | prpplague | ds2: other items are for storage where the customer doesn't want the employees to know whats in a container |
| 21:51.17 | ds2 | let's take the security gard application |
| 21:51.41 | ds2 | I take a picture of each post barcode |
| 21:51.57 | ds2 | print it out or engrave it on to a suitable material |
| 21:52.19 | ds2 | now i can pay off the gard and have him sitting in the guard shack scanning each tag at the appointed time |
| 21:52.25 | ds2 | system defeated |
| 21:52.28 | prpplague | ds2: nope |
| 21:52.43 | prpplague | ds2: since they have to be accessing the AP at the appointed are |
| 21:52.45 | prpplague | area |
| 21:52.45 | ds2 | and as for borrowing the scanner, the goal is not to make the device work; it is to extract the relevant tkeys |
| 21:53.28 | ds2 | but the AP (location requirement) is the same regardless of what the scanner puts out |
| 21:53.51 | ds2 | I see what you are arguing, I just don't agree that this buys you that much more security against a determined opponent |
| 21:54.18 | prpplague | ds2: it doesn't, what it is for is to provide enough hurdles for people to get caught doing it |
| 21:54.41 | ds2 | and a determined opponent doesn't need to be a 007 style person either |
| 21:55.09 | prpplague | ds2: you'd be surprised how mostly have no clue |
| 21:55.39 | ds2 | it isn't the clueless folks that i am worried about... it is the clueful ones that one needs to be concerned with |
| 21:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | If I do get hacked, I hope its by 007 - at least I'll feel like I was beaten by the best |
| 21:56.23 | ds2 | otherwise, you'll probally save some $$ by just putting bright yellow warning sticker on it that says Protected by SuperAdvance Security technology and not do a single thing |
| 21:57.11 | prpplague | ds2: i understand your point, but its not how most businesses think |
| 21:57.24 | prpplague | ds2: we go by what the customer asks for |
| 21:58.10 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod* hence the reason I say I do not agree with it; I understand what the reasoning is just... |
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| 21:58.54 | prpplague | scanlime: greetings old friend |
| 21:58.59 | scanlime | greetings! |
| 21:59.04 | scanlime | thanks :) |
| 21:59.06 | prpplague | scanlime: haven't seen you around here before! |
| 21:59.09 | CosmicPenguin | wow - hey! |
| 21:59.11 | kergoth | scanlime: welcome |
| 21:59.18 | scanlime | kergoth just told me about this place |
| 21:59.22 | scanlime | hiya CosmicPenguin |
| 21:59.57 | prpplague | ds2: in the past couple of years they've caught a number of people trying to break the layers |
| 22:00.10 | prpplague | ds2: usually the get one or two layers but end up getting notices |
| 22:00.13 | prpplague | noticed |
| 22:01.16 | ds2 | prpplague: So the other people that just want to have a scanner do things and not have to customize their apps, they have to pay the extra price so others can have their "security" |
| 22:01.21 | prpplague | ds2: i think overall most customers simply want to be able to tell when data is coming from the keyboard or from the barcode scanner with some certainty |
| 22:01.38 | prpplague | ds2: extra price? |
| 22:01.57 | prpplague | ds2: its a stock item |
| 22:02.06 | ds2 | prpplague: that can be done just fine from a /dev/input device. the device name can be determined by sysfs trivially |
| 22:02.28 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 22:02.30 | ds2 | prpplague: they have to run an extra translating daemon so resources gets used more, takes incrementally longer to start up, etc |
| 22:03.00 | prpplague | ds2: there is more to it that just a /dev/input |
| 22:03.39 | ds2 | prpplague: from my point of view, there should ONLY be a /dev/input device so I can write an app once and be done with |
| 22:03.51 | ds2 | this is why I like the cue cat, it is wired AS a keyboard |
| 22:04.20 | prpplague | ds2: yea, most barcode scanning modules on the OEM layer are not |
| 22:04.51 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod* I guess that is part of the reason for my interest in seeing some of the camera based systems mature |
| 22:05.39 | prpplague | ds2: just because they aren't "wired" that way on the OEM level doesn't mean the user doen't see the end product that way |
| 22:06.08 | prpplague | ds2: all of our end product handheld barcode scanners all work as keyboard devices if you choose to do it that way |
| 22:07.35 | ds2 | prpplague: it is a matter of defaults... I rather see a keyboard as a default and if there is a want/desire for other info, have that available |
| 22:08.38 | prpplague | ds2: yea, the problem is it is easier to put a wedge in to go from the non-keyboard input to keyboard that it is to get keyboard data and make not available |
| 22:08.43 | prpplague | has to go |
| 22:08.48 | prpplague | office manager closing the office |
| 22:08.51 | prpplague | bbiab |
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| 22:31.28 | prpplague | ds2: anyway the other aspect to it is you have to send commands to the barcode scanner |
| 22:31.37 | ds2 | commands???? |
| 22:31.40 | prpplague | ds2: to turn different features on/off |
| 22:34.11 | ds2 | like what bar code type to scan for? |
| 22:34.31 | prpplague | yea, plus power save modes, prefix/suffic characters |
| 22:34.55 | ds2 | wonder if there are ioctls to do that |
| 22:35.45 | ds2 | surely there are similar issues with the touch screen (raw vs relative) |
| 22:35.47 | prpplague | http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Business/Products/Scan%20Engines/SE95x/SE95X_SS_0308.pdf |
| 22:37.13 | prpplague | ds2: yea, there are similiar devices, just not something exactly the same |
| 22:37.50 | prpplague | ds2: then on top, you have good/bad scan detection, trigger button control, and led/beeper responses |
| 22:38.26 | ds2 | then I wonder if it makes more sense to expand the /dev/input stuff... they already identify it if is a pointer/touchscreen/keyboard |
| 22:38.52 | ds2 | interesting spec sheet... wonder why a plain ambient light CCD based device isn't used more often |
| 22:39.49 | prpplague | ds2: distance and damaged |
| 22:40.19 | ds2 | distance? as in it only works at close distances or? |
| 22:40.49 | prpplague | ds2: yea ccd/camera decoding doesn't work well at distances more than 12-15" |
| 22:41.04 | ds2 | ah I see |
| 22:41.15 | prpplague | ds2: also for reading damaged barcodes |
| 22:41.25 | ds2 | always thoughtthat was a lense issues |
| 22:41.28 | prpplague | ds2: laser will get it down most of the time, ccd just dies |
| 22:42.06 | prpplague | ds2: yea there are few ccd's that do a little between but when you are in a dark wharehouse, they are crap |
| 22:42.30 | ds2 | good to know.. didn't find much in the way of comparing those things |
| 22:43.07 | prpplague | ds2: for most household/light usage ccd's are fine |
| 22:43.20 | prpplague | ds2: but when it comes to industrial, laser is still the best |
| 22:45.33 | prpplague | ds2: as i often tell CosmicPenguin the industrial barcode/pos business is just plain weird |
| 22:45.55 | prpplague | ds2: we've already lost two potential sales for the M8050 because they think it is too "pretty" |
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| 22:47.30 | ds2 | Interesting |
| 22:47.47 | ds2 | prpplague: optical input/interaction is a minor side hobby of mine so.... |
| 22:47.54 | prpplague | they want an ugly device so employees don't want to take it home |
| 22:48.58 | ds2 | hehh... the symbol palm devices didn't look that ugly ;) |
| 22:49.20 | ds2 | make it all clad in heavy rubber |
| 22:49.49 | prpplague | yea, they didn't sell well |
| 22:49.59 | ds2 | what's wrong with rubber? |
| 22:50.08 | prpplague | ds2: the number one selling handheld is the 9000 series' |
| 22:50.14 | prpplague | ds2: and they are just bricks |
| 22:50.28 | ds2 | the rubberized toughbooks seems do great even in the used market |
| 22:51.10 | prpplague | yea, those are pretty cool |
| 22:51.38 | prpplague | http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Business/Products/Mobile%20Computers/Handheld%20Computers/MC9090-G/_Images/MC9090_MD_US-EN.jpg |
| 22:52.42 | prpplague | http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Business/Products/Mobile%20Computers/Handheld%20Computers/MC9097/_Images/Static%20Files/B2B_Product_MC9097_MD_US-EN.jpg |
| 22:52.51 | prpplague | pretty darn ugly |
| 22:54.24 | ds2 | I like that look |
| 22:54.34 | ds2 | I assume it is water and shock proof? |
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| 22:55.45 | prpplague | IP64 iirc |
| 22:56.35 | ds2 | biggest thing I would change is chuck the CE interface ;) |
| 23:00.14 | prpplague | ds2: http://imagebin.ca/view/YH8hZ08F.html |
| 23:00.23 | prpplague | ds2: the wince is what people are asking for |
| 23:00.36 | prpplague | ds2: too many developers have bought into do in wince apps |
| 23:01.02 | prpplague | ds2: next gen handheld for aml |
| 23:01.42 | ds2 | looks more fragile then the motorola one |
| 23:01.58 | prpplague | just a rendering |
| 23:02.04 | prpplague | ds2: its pretty solid |
| 23:03.59 | ds2 | prpplague: what kind of plastic is the case that can take shock? |
| 23:04.51 | prpplague | ds2: same plastic composition used in a hockey goal head and face protection |
| 23:05.30 | ds2 | oh |
| 23:08.48 | joe_bleau | abs? abs+pc alloy? |
| 23:28.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i don't the actual name |
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| 23:30.44 | ds2 | what's the temp rating on that device? |
| 23:30.57 | ds2 | -40C - +120C? |
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| 23:36.33 | prpplague | ds2: -20c to +100c |
| 23:37.56 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i can ask what the exact name is on monday |
| 23:59.27 | ds2 | I HATE THE NEW LINKER RULES. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THINGS TO START IGNORING LD_LIBRARY_PATH#E$@#$@#($*U@#)$*@#(*$(#*$ |
