| 00:00.17 | agaffney | hahahahahahahaha |
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| 00:00.33 | agaffney | them canadian women must have some *bad* hygeine issues |
| 00:05.06 | MonMotha | ok, that has GOT to be intentional... |
| 00:05.39 | MonMotha | (i.e. a joke) |
| 00:06.19 | MonMotha | either that or their website has a manipulatable querystring (which is also entirely possible) |
| 00:07.55 | solar | funny either way |
| 00:08.14 | solar | oh look. I'm 8mins late for beers |
| 00:08.16 | solar | bye |
| 00:20.25 | ds2 | I'd think the baking soda would be rather abrasive on the cylinders walls (probally the female part they were referring to) :D |
| 00:28.34 | joe_bleau | I'm told you can use baking soda to strip/prep cars for painting. |
| 00:28.49 | joe_bleau | Best part--no need to mask |
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| 00:44.09 | ds2 | I know the automotive folks use it as an abrasive in the "sand blasting" cabinet for clean up |
| 00:46.24 | prpplague | hmm, i know a few girls that could have used that particular product |
| 01:04.57 | agaffney | prpplague: canadian girls? :P |
| 01:05.25 | prpplague | agaffney: east texas girls |
| 01:05.37 | agaffney | heh |
| 01:06.49 | prpplague | why do you thing mcconaughey left east texas |
| 01:33.04 | prpplague | ho ho ho , merry freakin monday |
| 01:36.36 | joe_bleau | It wasn't too bad. |
| 01:37.02 | prpplague | joe_bleau: speak for yourself hehe |
| 01:37.44 | joe_bleau | Spent most of the day hiding behind the metcal. |
| 01:38.03 | ds2 | Mmmmmm metcals |
| 01:38.08 | prpplague | weird, i don't see hardly any reference code for doing text entry via numberic keys |
| 01:38.31 | ds2 | what are you searching under? |
| 01:38.55 | prpplague | text entry numberic keys |
| 01:39.06 | prpplague | numer |
| 01:39.08 | prpplague | argh |
| 01:39.10 | prpplague | numeric |
| 01:39.20 | ds2 | hmmmm always thought that was a T9 keyboard |
| 01:40.15 | joe_bleau | multi-tap? |
| 01:40.40 | prpplague | that is specifically called T9? |
| 01:40.55 | ds2 | that's the term i have always encountered |
| 01:41.09 | joe_bleau | T9 is predictive |
| 01:41.43 | joe_bleau | Patented, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T9_(predictive_text) |
| 01:41.46 | ds2 | oh did not know that Hmmm |
| 01:41.54 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 01:42.10 | joe_bleau | Maybe this is more in line? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-tap |
| 01:43.54 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh indeed that was what i was looking for |
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| 01:44.22 | joe_bleau | Hey, happy to help. You've done so much for so many, it's a pleasure to help a bit now and then. |
| 01:44.51 | prpplague | hehe thanks |
| 01:46.44 | ds2 | interseting |
| 01:47.55 | prpplague | there have got to be some more robust coding techniques for this multi-tap methods |
| 01:48.18 | prpplague | my code works, but it _feels_ wrong |
| 01:49.55 | joe_bleau | Like you started off on the wrong foot, and everything is kludged up to make it work? |
| 01:53.13 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:53.22 | prpplague | this is my third attempt at it |
| 01:53.44 | prpplague | just don't like all the state machine variables |
| 01:54.03 | joe_bleau | Make 'em global? |
| 01:55.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, i think i need to re-arrange a bunch of the logic to make it optimized |
| 01:55.24 | prpplague | make that way i can get rid of alot of the state variables |
| 01:55.38 | prpplague | joe_bleau: http://www.elinux.org/M8050 |
| 01:56.12 | joe_bleau | There's a book on HSMs that might be helpful, if you're into nesting the states and can handle the OO. |
| 01:56.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau: the 10 bottom keys are number with multitap, one of the upper keys turns on the text entry |
| 01:56.28 | joe_bleau | "Practical Statecharts in C", Miro Samek. |
| 01:56.40 | prpplague | oh thanks |
| 01:56.43 | prpplague | checks amazon |
| 01:56.51 | joe_bleau | Cool, wince. |
| 01:57.17 | prpplague | needs to change the image |
| 01:57.34 | prpplague | joe_bleau: only with linux, the ME didn't have a linux desktop screenshot for the rendering |
| 01:57.36 | joe_bleau | :-) |
| 02:08.36 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 02:10.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, got some interesting news, I maybe getting a job at NASA |
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| 02:35.18 | prpplague | doh |
| 02:35.21 | prpplague | missed him |
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| 02:43.50 | ds2 | aren't there days when you think you'll be better of digging ditches then doing this stuff? |
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| 05:28.07 | solar | digging ditches no.. but driving a forklift. Yep.. |
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| 12:36.08 | agaffney | solar: driving a forklift looks fun |
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| 14:20.38 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:20.40 | prpplague | merry freakin tuesday |
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| 14:40.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:40.15 | CosmicPenguin | hiya |
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| 14:40.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you use multi-tap text entry on cell phones alot? |
| 14:40.38 | CosmicPenguin | not a lot - but I use it when I text |
| 14:41.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is it using T9 or multi-tap? |
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| 14:42.22 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
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| 14:43.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i wondering if you press the 2 key 4 times does it wrap back around to A or does it immediately assume C and continues |
| 14:43.50 | MothaWork | prpplague: mine wraps around to A |
| 14:44.28 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea i've seen them about 80% for wraps and 20% for last char |
| 14:44.30 | MothaWork | well, there's the number 2 in there, too |
| 14:44.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: how does yours generate a space? |
| 14:44.47 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh |
| 14:44.56 | MothaWork | the 0 key is space when in text mode |
| 14:45.23 | MothaWork | if you press it twice, you get a 0 |
| 14:45.31 | prpplague | MothaWork: how is it marked on the key to show that it is a space? |
| 14:47.02 | MothaWork | looks like a square bracket but with the long side along the bottom i.e. what you'd get if you turn the ']' character clockwise 90 degrees |
| 14:47.18 | prpplague | ah |
| 14:49.32 | chouimat|work | mornig |
| 14:49.38 | chouimat|work | errr morning |
| 15:03.30 | prpplague | solar: you get set up to boot to sd card? |
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| 15:06.50 | solar | prpplague: not yet. But should be simple enough. |
| 15:07.04 | solar | prpplague: I'll need just the cable right? And not the flystatter? |
| 15:07.20 | solar | swatter |
| 15:07.22 | prpplague | solar: the cable is soldered to the flyswatter |
| 15:08.01 | solar | I thought you sent a few. One looks like a direct USB->FunkyConnector and a USB->FlySwatter->FunkyConnector |
| 15:08.57 | prpplague | solar: yea one is a usb slave cable |
| 15:09.10 | prpplague | solar: you'll need the flyswatter cable to get serial console |
| 15:09.58 | solar | ok. I'll take that one with me today |
| 15:11.38 | solar | prpplague: still faced with the problem of kernel modules. You use arm-poky-linux-gnueabi while I use the proper CHOST of armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi. While the two should be nearly the same. Generally you/we should always use the same compiler for kernel+modules. |
| 15:12.03 | solar | so I'm looking for modules from you. Or you to clue me in on how to reflash the device fully |
| 15:13.09 | prpplague | solar: yea, thats why i need to get a duplicate your build environment |
| 15:13.21 | prpplague | solar: you can rebuild the kernel easily and just flash it |
| 15:13.33 | prpplague | solar: you have all the source |
| 15:14.04 | solar | prpplague: yep. And I have an env setup which can be reproduced. |
| 15:14.14 | solar | want a really big tarball? |
| 15:14.21 | prpplague | solar: yea thats fine |
| 15:14.25 | prpplague | solar: oh wait |
| 15:14.38 | prpplague | solar: you said it won't run under fedora |
| 15:14.57 | prpplague | solar: is that correct? |
| 15:16.42 | solar | it should. Somewhat. We will see. |
| 15:16.55 | solar | if not. I can make it using a simple chroot. |
| 15:17.01 | solar | infact thats what I'd suggest |
| 15:18.32 | prpplague | thats going to problematic for customers |
| 15:18.45 | prpplague | solar: but i guess its a place to start |
| 15:18.55 | prpplague | solar: go ahead and get it tar'd up |
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| 15:22.46 | solar | prpplague: ok next is recharging the battery. Thats done via USB only? You guys planning on wall-wort charger for quicker charge times? |
| 15:23.49 | prpplague | solar: charging is via the cradle, the flyswatter has a barrell connector soldered onto it to simulate the charger |
| 15:24.06 | prpplague | solar: should have gotten a 12v wall-wart in the box |
| 15:24.19 | solar | yep got that. |
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| 15:50.31 | CosmicPenguin | ugh - I'm so out of it |
| 15:50.36 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't even know the kernel was released |
| 15:51.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:51.18 | prpplague | ~lart CosmicPenguin for not knowing about a new kernel release |
| 15:51.18 | purl | frags CosmicPenguin with his BFG9000 for not knowing about a new kernel release |
| 15:51.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm dreading the upgrade from 2.6.25 to 2.6.27, there were a ton of header changes for arm/s3c24xx |
| 15:52.25 | CosmicPenguin | Thats part of the fun |
| 15:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | Did you see the PWM subsystem on the embedded list? Seems like fun |
| 15:53.46 | prpplague | yea been following it some |
| 15:54.07 | prpplague | i need to get my generic ev_leds handler and triggers posted |
| 15:54.36 | prpplague | just not enough hours in the day |
| 16:02.40 | solar | morinings I've found are the best time to submit code |
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| 16:46.58 | prpplague | solar: even more difficult when management doesn't want you working on and/or submitting patches |
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| 17:00.47 | prpplague | wonders why landley hasn't been online in awhile |
| 17:00.59 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 17:01.04 | purl | landley <n=landley@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 12d 19h 31m 32s ago, saying: 'And 4.2.2 has the exact same bug as 4.1.2.'. |
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| 18:55.00 | solar | prpplague: Ahh stubborn mgmt. So if they don't let ya submit. Then every release you have to rebase all the internal codes * number of devices you have to support. Explain it's 2^devices extra man hours which costs them XYZ. |
| 18:55.47 | prpplague | solar: thats just it, after the system is stable they only move to a new release if there is something completely broken |
| 18:59.23 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: I did see it. I could use it, but our kernel is ancient |
| 18:59.31 | MothaWork | LCD backlight on our board is on a PWM channel |
| 19:02.04 | prpplague | as is ous |
| 19:02.06 | prpplague | ours |
| 19:02.13 | adyer | MothaWork: lol, I too need to someday write a backlight driver using the pwm driver :-( |
| 19:03.57 | MothaWork | adyer: yeah. It can't be an uncommon method of connection |
| 19:04.40 | prpplague | i've got one hacked up for the 8050, was planning to revisit it when i had time |
| 19:05.26 | prpplague | MothaWork / adyer you guys going vary the freq or duty cycle? |
| 19:05.49 | adyer | prpplague duty cycle |
| 19:05.54 | prpplague | same here |
| 19:06.41 | MothaWork | duty cycle seems to work pretty well if you just keep the frequency "high" |
| 19:06.57 | MothaWork | run it at a kilohertz or so and nobody will see it flicker even at pretty low duty cycle |
| 19:07.43 | adyer | MothaWork: lol, we had the opposite problem - boost regultor took a while to get into regulation - if you pwm'd too fast the chip would start, but not settle and ended up heating up the LEDs |
| 19:09.50 | MothaWork | adyer: ah, I was mostly considering cosmetic issues in terms of noticeable flicker |
| 19:10.24 | MothaWork | going too high certainly could present some controlability issues on SMPSes |
| 19:11.40 | MothaWork | our LCD (built in CC drive) calls for a frequency of 20kHz +/- 5kHz |
| 19:11.59 | MothaWork | might want to make the carrier frequency adjustable by BSP and/or sysfs and vary duty cycle for actual control |
| 19:18.03 | prpplague | wonders how big the latest settlement is for landley and the SFLC |
| 19:19.38 | wmat | prpplague: did they announce anything yet? |
| 19:19.52 | prpplague | wmat: nothing yet, just lots of hints |
| 19:21.14 | prpplague | wmat: from landleys blog pages "Finally got the two international faxes faxed (admittedlly by printing them out, signing them, scanning them both, and emailing the PDFs to England and France respectively), but it's done. (Yay! The SFLC is nice enough to include fedex return envelopes so the three of those in the past two weeks were much easier.)" |
| 19:21.43 | prpplague | wmat: he only has to sign when there is a settlement |
| 19:23.58 | wmat | ah |
| 19:27.19 | wmat | prpplague: how is landley associated with the sflc? |
| 19:28.15 | adyer | wmat: I believe he is busybox copyright holder |
| 19:28.25 | wmat | ah |
| 19:32.58 | chouimat|work | prpplague http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9401257759.html |
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| 22:55.16 | joe_bleau | Is there an open source embedded C library like newlib, only thinner? |
| 22:55.39 | CosmicPenguin | klibc? |
| 22:56.47 | joe_bleau | Looks kinda linux oriented. |
| 22:56.53 | solar | it is |
| 22:57.07 | solar | all libc's are OS oriented. |
| 22:57.46 | joe_bleau | Oh. How about a libc like newlib, but thinner, and for use on a bare metal system. |
| 22:58.00 | joe_bleau | I'd like for it to not require dynamic memory access, too. |
| 22:58.19 | solar | dietlibc might be suited for what you are after. |
| 22:58.30 | joe_bleau | Googling... |
| 22:59.01 | solar | I personaly think it's a pile of dung that should be avoided at nearly all costs. But.. For a single executable. it's probably the most fitting for tiny static apps. |
| 22:59.11 | joe_bleau | Yes, that sounds promising. |
| 22:59.25 | solar | don't use it anywhere security matters |
| 22:59.38 | solar | initrd/initramfs is where it's usually used |
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| 23:25.18 | adyer | joe_bleau there's a libc for AVR micros http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/avr-libc/ |
| 23:26.29 | joe_bleau | Looking. Again, that sounds like it's the right sort of library. |
| 23:29.07 | solar | for the right device. |
| 23:29.55 | joe_bleau | Unless there's tons of assembly language code in there, it looks like it might be a good fit. |
| 23:30.27 | solar | for avr's only yep |
| 23:31.00 | solar | otherwise. if you are trying to do anything with an OS.. Then it's classic (glibc || uClibc) |
| 23:31.38 | joe_bleau | Bare metal, no malloc() wanted. Really would like sprintf() to support floating point. |
| 23:31.54 | joe_bleau | Doesn't need to be re-entrant. |
| 23:32.51 | adyer | joe_bleau: there are some embedded printf's floating around, and the string and memory fns from newlib ought to be pretty small |
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