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| 01:11.01 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:11.12 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 01:11.13 | purl | landley <n=landley@cpe-70-116-30-223.austin.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 14h 31m 26s ago, saying: 'blindvt`: And they're up. G'night.'. |
| 01:25.03 | prpplague | lordy lordy , too much work |
| 01:32.36 | solar | crap crap.. The EX is on her way over. |
| 01:32.50 | solar | just when I started enjoying life again... |
| 01:35.01 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:40.57 | joe_bleau | prpplague: had a chance to look over the Didj stuff yet? |
| 01:41.14 | prpplague | solar: doh |
| 01:41.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau: only a cursory look |
| 01:41.28 | prpplague | joe_bleau: been too busy at work |
| 01:41.40 | prpplague | joe_bleau: looks to be a magiceyes processor |
| 01:41.43 | prpplague | joe_bleau: aka pollux |
| 01:41.48 | joe_bleau | Someone update the wiki over the weekend. |
| 01:42.54 | joe_bleau | I found some notes about the differences between the CPUs. |
| 01:42.54 | prpplague | *cough* an insider |
| 01:42.54 | joe_bleau | Sounds like they had an eval board, a dev board, and then a form factor board. |
| 01:43.07 | joe_bleau | Do you *know* that, or are you guessing? |
| 01:43.17 | prpplague | knows that |
| 01:44.47 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, i missed the fact that it wasn't running at max speed |
| 01:44.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i figured that the max speed would have been the 393 |
| 01:45.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i didn't even search for arm926 that clocked more than 393 |
| 01:45.17 | prpplague | live and learn |
| 01:46.17 | joe_bleau | I was grepping the tree for instances of "LF1000", but the best stuff was to be found in READMEs. |
| 01:46.48 | prpplague | joe_bleau: andrey is the lead developer at cozybits |
| 01:47.36 | joe_bleau | And you think he's puckhead63? |
| 01:48.04 | prpplague | joe_bleau: rumor has it that leapfrog had intended for a proprietary os to run on didj, but when the developer failed to deliver, leapfrog paniced and called cozybits in |
| 01:48.17 | prpplague | has no comment |
| 01:49.33 | joe_bleau | It's not too late, right? They could always port to another OS later, if they wanted to. |
| 01:49.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i'm sure |
| 01:50.01 | prpplague | joe_bleau: my guess is didj we'll be dead by summer |
| 01:50.30 | prpplague | s/we'll/will |
| 01:51.25 | prpplague | didj was an after thought to the leapster2 release |
| 01:51.49 | prpplague | it targets a market that normally is for gameboy |
| 01:52.04 | prpplague | unless it can find a good OSS market, its dead |
| 01:52.46 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i've considered doing a cart for it |
| 01:53.00 | prpplague | joe_bleau: but i'm worried about leapfrog going legal on me |
| 01:53.43 | joe_bleau | Put the design up on a chinese webserver and let 'em make it for you. |
| 01:54.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i've already got the mechanicals for the plastics done in SLA's |
| 01:56.14 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 01:58.19 | prpplague | g1powermac: heybud |
| 01:58.40 | g1powermac | anything interesting happening? |
| 02:00.45 | prpplague | g1powermac: not a darn thing |
| 02:00.58 | g1powermac | fun, fun |
| 02:01.26 | g1powermac | got back from one of multiple trips he'll be taking these next few months |
| 02:02.02 | g1powermac | got to talk with some of my old professors at my old college while picking up some letters of recommendation |
| 02:02.22 | prpplague | jokes with g1powermac |
| 02:02.36 | prpplague | g1powermac: didn't know you need letters of recommendation to work as a janitor |
| 02:02.59 | g1powermac | next trip will be heading down to alabama to check out the huntsville area and speak with some NASA people |
| 02:03.01 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 02:03.26 | prpplague | g1powermac: they used to have a saturn V rocket there |
| 02:03.34 | prpplague | 's uncle worked there |
| 02:03.44 | g1powermac | ahh, cool |
| 02:03.54 | g1powermac | I never been down there, I'm looking forward to the trip |
| 02:03.59 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, i have a "missing" document about the shuttle solid rocket boosters |
| 02:04.09 | g1powermac | heh |
| 02:04.16 | g1powermac | better not say that too loud ;-) |
| 02:04.19 | prpplague | thought about putting it up on ebay |
| 02:04.35 | prpplague | but i'm afraid someone might come knocking at the door |
| 02:04.40 | g1powermac | hah, yea |
| 02:04.54 | g1powermac | I'd be more afraid about than leapster suing you ;-) |
| 02:05.07 | g1powermac | err, leapfrog |
| 02:05.08 | prpplague | even has a giant warning about temperature in the doc |
| 02:05.30 | prpplague | dated 1989 |
| 02:05.35 | g1powermac | temperature? |
| 02:05.40 | g1powermac | now thats interesting |
| 02:07.05 | g1powermac | meh, anyway, I'll see what happens with the NASA thing, if it falls through, I'm heading to the local large university to finish my degree |
| 02:07.15 | prpplague | goes to get the camera |
| 02:07.55 | g1powermac | would be fun to actually take classes in computer engineering instead of just learning stuff on my own :-) |
| 02:15.58 | g1powermac | anyway, time for sleep before I fall asleep on my desk, gnight all :-) |
| 02:16.04 | prpplague | g1powermac: wait |
| 02:16.08 | prpplague | g1powermac: uploading pics |
| 02:16.10 | g1powermac | oh |
| 02:16.30 | g1powermac | keeps eyes open for a bit longer :-) |
| 02:17.55 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/bGvz8_X.html |
| 02:18.38 | g1powermac | heh, awesome |
| 02:18.44 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/PKQUYd.html |
| 02:19.03 | g1powermac | hah |
| 02:19.27 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/hnWbd1c.html |
| 02:19.54 | g1powermac | very nice |
| 02:19.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe |
| 02:20.12 | prpplague | g1powermac: what kind of job at nasa are you looking to get? |
| 02:20.23 | g1powermac | now if someone comes knocking on your door, please give me a heads up as they will prolly be here shortly ;-) |
| 02:21.02 | g1powermac | it'll be a basic IT job maintaining and building their systems |
| 02:21.17 | g1powermac | but they would pay for me to finish my degree |
| 02:21.39 | g1powermac | and give me a foot in the door to look for more interesting jobs once I finish the degree |
| 02:22.27 | prpplague | nice |
| 02:22.43 | g1powermac | if I'm lucky, I may get a low level coding position, since I do have about 2/3 to 3/4 of a CS degree |
| 02:23.38 | g1powermac | as prolly already know, I wouldn't actually be working directly for NASA though, I'd be hired through one of the contracting companies |
| 02:23.45 | g1powermac | as *you |
| 02:24.34 | g1powermac | from what I understand, most of the stuff nasa does is through contracts with private corps |
| 02:26.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:26.40 | kergoth | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2008/10/9938521_2c6d5d7520.jpg |
| 02:27.13 | g1powermac | kergoth, hahaha |
| 02:27.45 | g1powermac | speaking of triple shotgun murder, I'm about to crash in front of my computer, gnight all :-) |
| 02:30.51 | prpplague | wonders if it is worth putting up on ebay |
| 02:31.13 | prpplague | kergoth: s/caffine/alcohol |
| 02:48.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: those are pretty interesting pix you got htere... |
| 02:55.54 | solar | arghh. this is what ladies do to ya. They come to talk and try to trick ya into being sensitive, then turn things around and make you think it's your fault for being YOU |
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| 05:09.59 | solar | darn bros.. I'm losing this battle |
| 05:10.04 | solar | cya. |
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| 14:29.30 | prpplague | if someone hands me one more thing to do, i'm going to go screaming thru the building naked |
| 14:31.48 | g1powermac | prpplague, don't forget to bring along your sawed shot gun to fire randomly as you're screaming ;-) |
| 14:32.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: naw, i don't violent, just crazy |
| 14:33.39 | g1powermac | well, you don't have to fire at coworkers, shooting at the fluorescent bulbs would make a nice pyro display :-) |
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| 15:30.11 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: ping |
| 15:30.20 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: pong |
| 15:30.35 | CosmicPenguin | Since I usually appreciate your taste in applications and such |
| 15:30.46 | CosmicPenguin | do you use anything for keeping todo listss? |
| 15:33.04 | kergoth | i've tried so many tools for that stuff. for a while i used a hipster pda, used RTM for a while too. more recently i switched my main machine to a macbook, so looked further.. now i'm using a gtd based todo app for osx called Things. It's similar to OmniFocus (http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnifocus/). not sure if there's any good open source equivalents. basically what i've always been looking for is the 'next actions' part of gtd, the ability |
| 15:35.58 | chouimat|work | kergoth: I'm still looking for one that does the next actions ... |
| 15:36.24 | kergoth | the key is that it does it automatically... theres lots you can hack into doing it, but you end up having to do the tagging yoruself, and thats too much overhead to be viable long term |
| 15:36.39 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: I use ThinkingRock, it's another GTD app, but quite a good one |
| 15:36.57 | wmat | I use it on Linux and Windows |
| 15:37.03 | chouimat|work | kergoth: so true ... |
| 15:37.48 | wmat | http://www.thinkingrock.com.au/index.php |
| 15:39.29 | CosmicPenguin | java is a bit scary |
| 15:40.21 | kergoth | http://lifehacker.com/378062/five-best-gtd-applications - heh.. |
| 15:40.33 | wmat | it's worked flawlessly for me, mind you, I'm not really a power user of it |
| 15:40.47 | kergoth | heh, cool, things was in the honerable mentions there |
| 15:41.08 | kergoth | might have to switch to omnifocus once things goes commercial though, its freeware while its beta |
| 15:41.36 | CosmicPenguin | tion |
| 15:41.39 | CosmicPenguin | ideaily I would have a cli application |
| 15:41.43 | CosmicPenguin | and figure out how to use the arrow keys |
| 15:43.06 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: console one https://gna.org/projects/yagtd/ |
| 15:43.29 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - a php based one |
| 15:43.42 | kergoth | course you dont have to use gtd either, i just find parts of gtd to be useful. most of gtd i ignore, just the next actions and someday/maybe that i really like the idea of, really |
| 15:44.14 | CosmicPenguin | I really just need to keep a good list of what I think needs to be done |
| 15:44.19 | chouimat|work | kergoth: I started to use full gtd a few months back and it's hard and take time to implement |
| 15:44.23 | CosmicPenguin | For actual scheduling, I use taskjuggler which freekin rocks |
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| 15:45.05 | kergoth | chouimat|work: yeah, i never did get around to taking the time to adopt it as a whole. imo its better to just take it a piece at a time, and maybe never get there entirely |
| 15:45.07 | kergoth | shrugs |
| 15:45.39 | chouimat|work | I don't use the "folders thing" but I should |
| 15:46.53 | kergoth | chouimat|work: the problem i've always had with gtd is figuring out how best to use the tools |
| 15:47.06 | chouimat|work | it;s the hardest part :) |
| 15:47.07 | kergoth | i mean theres email based, physical folder based, specific gtd software.. |
| 15:47.17 | kergoth | tasks come in from multiple directions, its hard to use a single workflow for everything |
| 15:47.31 | chouimat|work | so true ... |
| 15:47.31 | kergoth | theres even files you download that coudl be considered action items.. |
| 15:47.37 | kergoth | like, i should listen to this mp3 at some point.. |
| 15:47.45 | kergoth | hsrugs |
| 15:48.50 | chouimat|work | kergoth: at one point I had a few special folders on my imap account on my own server and I was adding "emails" to it that contained information of download files and physical stuff |
| 15:49.22 | kergoth | that's an interesting approach.. probably hard to keep current though |
| 15:49.59 | chouimat|work | yup and since I lazy guess what ;) |
| 15:50.06 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 16:23.09 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - tdl seems to be an early favorite |
| 16:23.13 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.rc0.org.uk/tdl/ |
| 16:24.54 | kergoth | cute. color output and everything. would be good to add bash/zsh completion for it, if it isn't done already |
| 16:25.42 | kergoth | considers switching budget apps again.. consdiering http://nothirst.com/images/MoneyWell-Automobile-14.png now |
| 16:26.08 | CosmicPenguin | OSX sure increases the level of sexy |
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| 19:37.33 | roxfan | http://www.gumstix.net/Overo/view/Overo/Overview/115.html cute |
| 20:00.15 | zooko | ds2: hey there, I'm still exploring the idea of how to get the lowest $/TB in my grid storage system. |
| 20:00.35 | zooko | Looks like there is a sweet spot if I move *up* the $ scale from 1U x86 servers to 2U Opteron servers. |
| 20:01.10 | zooko | I'm not 100% sure of the details, but it looks like HP would sell me a 2U quad-core Opteron system which can drive 14 SATA drives. |
| 20:01.26 | zooko | Filling that with 1.5 TB drives would come out to about $220 / TB. Sweet! |
| 20:01.57 | zooko | I'm curious what could be done with small, cheap, low-power systems in a 1U or 2U rackmount, but as far as I can tell there are no companies that will sell me those. |
| 20:02.12 | zooko | (Excepting, of course, NAS companies that will sell me one of those with a bunch of their custom software at a huge price markup.) |
| 20:02.34 | ds2 | 2U's makes it a lot easier |
| 20:02.49 | zooko | Why is that? |
| 20:02.55 | ds2 | I suspect IBM also has an offering, IIRC |
| 20:03.03 | zooko | Thanks for the tip. |
| 20:03.11 | ds2 | more room for powersupplies and mounting |
| 20:03.23 | ds2 | 1U with 4 hotswap bays is tight |
| 20:03.31 | zooko | I see what you mean. |
| 20:03.37 | zooko | hotswap, by the way, is not actually a requirement for us. |
| 20:04.01 | ds2 | oh in that case, a deep 1U chassis can work |
| 20:04.05 | zooko | Right. |
| 20:04.12 | ds2 | but I think there are more people that want all hotswap bays |
| 20:04.15 | zooko | That's our current setup. |
| 20:04.20 | scanlime | roxfan: That's really cute. I wonder what the big chip on the carrier board is? (Is it just a DVI line driver, or is it an actual graphics controller?) |
| 20:05.09 | ds2 | only thing with the deep chassis it is you need to go with a rail mount system and have a 4 post rack; some folks don't have 4 post rack |
| 20:05.33 | ds2 | roxfan: how did you find the link to it? |
| 20:06.21 | roxfan | from some russian guy's livejournal |
| 20:06.36 | roxfan | he says his friend got it on some "kernel summit" |
| 20:06.46 | roxfan | (an actual board) |
| 20:06.48 | ds2 | I see. the main site goes to a error page if you try to get it from there |
| 20:07.01 | scanlime | Googling for "gumstix overo" turns up some articles |
| 20:07.04 | scanlime | the hardware is in beta, apparently |
| 20:07.06 | ds2 | they gave out a bunch at the kernel summit in Portal a few weeks ago |
| 20:07.23 | ds2 | That buddy board doesn't seem to bring out SVideo :/ |
| 20:07.40 | scanlime | HDMI >> s-video |
| 20:07.58 | zooko | It seems to me that there is a potentially interesting "hole" in the market. |
| 20:08.06 | zooko | It is, basically, hardware exactly like this: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=103 |
| 20:08.20 | zooko | except without the fancy custom software on it, and sold at prices competitive to x86 or amd64 servers. |
| 20:08.57 | ds2 | scanlime: the chip can do both! |
| 20:09.03 | scanlime | what chip is it? |
| 20:09.10 | ds2 | scanlime: OMAP3530 |
| 20:09.30 | scanlime | on the buddy board? |
| 20:09.31 | ds2 | qnap is not resolving for me for somereason |
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| 21:06.59 | prpplague | scanlime: iirc its a fpga doing level shifting |
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| 21:35.01 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:35.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey bud |
| 21:35.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day, hows trix? |
| 21:35.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: terrible, hehe |
| 21:36.26 | GPSFan | sorry, you see that Google released the android source? |
| 21:37.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 21:37.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: and leapfrog, hehe |
| 21:38.03 | prpplague | be interesting to put android on the 8050 |
| 21:39.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: yea, joe_bleau & I discussed the diji stuff sunday night, I dl'd their code and looked around a bit, it looks like they had someone at cozybit do a lot of the work and they released it as GPLv2. |
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| 21:41.04 | GPSFan | looks like leapfrog, lept right over the release stel untill SFLC poked at them (or maybe it was your pokeing that pushed them off the lillypad) |
| 21:41.20 | GPSFan | s/stel/step |
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| 21:52.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, not sure if it was me or sflc |
| 21:52.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: but i suspect SFLC is still involved since it doesn't look like they release the busybox stuff |
| 21:52.29 | GPSFan | prpplague: they jumpped though. ;>) |
| 21:53.24 | GPSFan | they claim to use bb 1.5.0 with a single patch which they did provide. |
| 21:53.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 21:54.58 | GPSFan | they have a buildroot/scratchbox like build system which downloads vanilla versions of their packages, then it patches that code (if neccessary) with their provided patches. |
| 21:55.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh, i hadn't looked in detail, been too busy |
| 21:55.51 | GPSFan | I was amazed, lots of release notes and commented code. |
| 21:56.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: i was able to find the jtag and uart |
| 21:56.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: i have a datasheet on the cpu that seems to match |
| 21:57.02 | GPSFan | all done back in April, the "waiting for lawyers" was total BS, the code was intended (by cozybits) for release as GPLv2 from the get go. |
| 21:57.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 21:57.33 | GPSFan | oooh, jtag & uart, nice... |
| 21:57.59 | prpplague | i was trying to decide if it was ok to post the datasheet |
| 21:58.09 | prpplague | you can download but you have to register to get it |
| 21:58.21 | prpplague | not sure if there are any restrictions since it was all in korean |
| 21:59.38 | GPSFan | is the link to the final .pdf protected (ie does it send you to a login page)? |
| 21:59.56 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:00.47 | GPSFan | what is the .pdf file name ie. superneatocpu_datasheet.pdf ? |
| 22:01.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: pollux.pdf |
| 22:02.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: i don't see any restrictions in the pdf itself |
| 22:03.09 | GPSFan | it's atmv926 IIRC |
| 22:03.16 | GPSFan | armv926 |
| 22:05.28 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:06.56 | prpplague | http://mesdigital.com/Products/product_pollux.asp |
| 22:07.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: if you click on datasheet, it will ask you to register |
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| 22:07.38 | GPSFan | I see. |
| 22:08.12 | prpplague | pollux datasheet_rev091.pdf |
| 22:08.16 | GPSFan | hmmm, I get 404 ;>( |
| 22:08.28 | prpplague | interesting |
| 22:12.18 | GPSFan | i can get to it if I go to the support page then to download the .pdf, then it asks me to register. |
| 22:18.43 | prpplague | http://www.mesdigital.com/support/support_content_read.asp?idx=33&page=1 |
| 22:20.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: the pollux is actually a 53mhz processor |
| 22:20.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i'm guessing they are underclocking it |
| 22:21.52 | roxfan | 53? :) |
| 22:21.57 | prpplague | 533 |
| 22:22.02 | roxfan | hehe |
| 22:22.26 | prpplague | they are running it at 393MHz |
| 22:23.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: yea, that's the page, I wonder why they underclock it? power consumption maybe? |
| 22:23.35 | prpplague | probably |
| 22:24.02 | GPSFan | maybe they didn't meet their battery life targets at full speed. |
| 22:25.30 | MonMotha | 533 is awfully fast for an ARM926EJ. Perhaps they had reliability issues, especially packed in a portable where heat can accumulate |
| 22:25.40 | MonMotha | battery life is probably more likely, though |
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| 22:35.27 | adye1 | has anybody played with Intel z510 (atom) and linux? (the embedded one, not the 'netbook' one)? |
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| 23:48.19 | eut | does anyone know if arm processors support DMA with usb devices? |
| 23:49.07 | MonMotha | yes, for both host and slave, though not all slave devices (gadgets) do |
| 23:49.22 | MonMotha | though that's not part of the processor, but rather the fact that they all use OHCI |
| 23:49.33 | eut | hmm |
| 23:50.38 | eut | well i'm having a problem with a camera driver.. on my x86 desktop it works fine but on a gumstix, pxa27x it only gives black images. the driver uses dma and i thought that that part may be the problem |
| 23:51.12 | MonMotha | this is under linux? |
| 23:51.21 | eut | yes |
| 23:52.16 | eut | i'm not too familiar with how dma works.. do you think that the way of 'doing dma' on a desktop is portable to OHCI? |
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| 23:52.59 | MonMotha | well, there are desktop x86 systems with OCHI controllers, too |
| 23:53.15 | MonMotha | do you get any driver output/errors? |
| 23:53.31 | MonMotha | this sort of thing can be caused by assuming things like structure alignment, data type sizes, etc., too |
| 23:53.41 | eut | hmm |
| 23:53.43 | MonMotha | the Linux USB driver API pretty well abstracts out the host controllre |
| 23:54.00 | MonMotha | if the driver is doing DMA stuff directly,then it's not exactly likely to be portable to begin with |
| 23:54.17 | eut | ok |
| 23:54.17 | MonMotha | it should allow the host driver to handle all that (there are USB hosts that do not support DMA, too) |
| 23:55.11 | eut | OHCI is the usb host right? so the version in the gumstix should support DMA? |
| 23:55.38 | HcE | OHCI is Open Host Controller Interface |
| 23:55.39 | HcE | IIRC |
| 23:55.51 | HcE | does not implicit say DMA though |
| 23:56.29 | MonMotha | HcE: I thought that all OHCI controllers supported DMA transfers |
| 23:56.45 | MonMotha | though actually, PXA may not be OCHI, though I think it is |
| 23:58.00 | eut | i do think that this pxa uses ohci, dmesg | grep -i ohci does return some stuff |
| 23:58.26 | scanlime | All standard desktop USB controllers rely pretty much exclusively on DMA, but there are some embedded host controllers that use programmed IO |
| 23:59.53 | eut | how can i find out what my controller uses? |
