| 00:00.39 | solar | side note. My charge controler and inverter got here today. Pretty stoked about that. Just a few more parts I need for some free energy :) |
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| 00:50.21 | echelon | is there a guide on how to make your own buildroot packages? |
| 00:55.17 | prpplague | echelon: they are just standard makefiles |
| 00:57.36 | echelon | ok |
| 00:58.21 | echelon | but how does it assocate with the build tools? |
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| 00:59.18 | solar | buildroot is not really a distro. But more of the proving ground that the uclibc toolchain functions as expected |
| 01:00.03 | solar | it's just kinda grown into a generic minimal distro. Great for one time firmwares |
| 01:00.23 | prpplague | small static builds |
| 01:00.37 | prpplague | static meaning the contents of the firmware rarely change |
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| 01:56.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau: anything specific you had in mind for the Didj? |
| 02:02.36 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 02:02.40 | prpplague | landley: whats cookin? |
| 02:03.47 | landley | prpplague: hiya. |
| 02:04.02 | landley | Fixing a bug in toybox patch. Been trying to clear some time to work on it all day, things keep coming up... |
| 02:04.36 | prpplague | landley: indeed, i've had a dma issue with some audio playback for days now :( |
| 02:29.37 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 02:29.54 | prpplague | hhhm |
| 02:31.55 | ds2 | how's life post EE? |
| 02:32.28 | prpplague | hehe that must be the $50000000 question today |
| 02:33.17 | prpplague | engineering is in shambles and management is talking about going with a reference design for the next project and use wince |
| 02:33.52 | ds2 | no one is stepping up to cheer on engineer? |
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| 02:59.32 | joe_bleau | prpplague: no plans on Diji. Might consider picking on up to play with if they get cheap. |
| 02:59.52 | joe_bleau | Sounds like a Z2 might be more easily expanded. |
| 03:00.21 | joe_bleau | I'm planning on hacking the HP20B calculator somemore near-term. |
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| 06:50.05 | methril | yo |
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| 07:12.08 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 10:16.43 | mnemoc | linuxdevices people should research a bit deeper about "china processors" boxes... first they announce the release of the vanderled scam giving credibility to that fraud, a month ago they said a mips32 netbook was and x86 and now they "announce" the fuloong mini (which is on lemote product list for over a year) as a netbook when it's just an *small* desktop (vga plug and no display) ... they could at least add a comment feature to their site :\ |
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| 14:33.07 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:33.11 | prpplague | merry freakin thursday |
| 14:33.35 | agaffney | indeed |
| 14:33.40 | agaffney | 'tis a rainy thursday here |
| 14:34.08 | agaffney | is jobless for the next week and a half |
| 14:34.16 | agaffney | and I'm going to be soooo bored :P |
| 14:44.23 | prpplague | agaffney: doh |
| 14:44.31 | prpplague | agaffney: time to go to the nudie bar |
| 14:44.37 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:44.48 | agaffney | my new job starts Nov. 3 |
| 14:45.02 | agaffney | and I walked out of my current job because they fired my boss for no reason |
| 14:45.17 | agaffney | my wife is having fun with it calling me a "lazy bum" |
| 14:48.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:49.07 | solar | sit in your underwear on the couch all day. that will impress her |
| 14:49.18 | agaffney | looks around him |
| 14:49.29 | agaffney | solar: check ;) |
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| 14:51.41 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:51.51 | prpplague | greetings earthling |
| 15:11.38 | MothaWork | gah, who came up with the pinout for the expansion header on the beagleboard? |
| 15:11.53 | MothaWork | power and ground are at opposite ends of the (physically not small) connector |
| 15:15.50 | prpplague | MothaWork: indeed |
| 15:16.03 | prpplague | well i think i found the problem with the audio dma codec issue |
| 15:16.09 | prpplague | now just to figure out a fix |
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| 16:43.12 | prpplague | yep definetly a dma issue with the first two periods that que'd up |
| 16:43.30 | kergoth | boo for dma issues :( |
| 16:43.39 | kergoth | those tend to give me a headache |
| 16:44.09 | mnemoc | doesn't even know hot to trace that kind of issues |
| 16:44.12 | mnemoc | how* |
| 16:44.32 | MothaWork | DMA issues often do suck |
| 16:44.54 | MothaWork | DMA controllers aren't overly intelligent: they tend to just blindly do exactly what you tell them to |
| 16:45.05 | MothaWork | which may involve blowing away half of BSS :) |
| 16:46.11 | prpplague | yea, there are alot of state variables in this dma driver |
| 16:47.09 | prpplague | looks like what is happening is that it is que'n up two periods, but when the playback starts it skips the second period, which throughs it off by one period at the end, which means it plays the last period twice |
| 16:49.52 | MothaWork | so an off-by-one? |
| 16:50.04 | MothaWork | oh, skips the second, maybe not |
| 16:51.24 | CosmicPenguin | Its always the simple interfaces that get you |
| 16:51.46 | CosmicPenguin | DMA is a pain because you have two entities that have to get along - generally electronics don't like playing well with others |
| 16:52.57 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea, its like the second period that was qued up got lost |
| 16:53.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, and those the ones hardest to debug, because you have to look at it from both ends |
| 16:55.47 | wmat | prpplague: but why does the second period get skipped? |
| 16:56.03 | prpplague | wmat: that is the million dollar question |
| 16:57.35 | wmat | prpplague: do the periods have to be a fixed size in the queue? perhaps period 1 is too long? |
| 16:58.17 | prpplague | wmat: yea they are suppose to be all the same period length, 0x2000 is what i have for some of the test audio files |
| 17:07.54 | wmat | prpplague: is there any dma error msgs when you cat the audio file to /dev/dsp? |
| 17:08.30 | prpplague | i'm just using aplay right now, but no error msgs |
| 17:09.10 | wmat | try # cat test.wav > /dev/dsp |
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| 17:15.11 | Geicus | hammer vs beagleboard for the newbie? |
| 17:15.33 | ds2 | killing beagles with a hammer is inhumane ;) |
| 17:15.53 | ds2 | hammer is easier to work with being 3.3V |
| 17:16.07 | prpplague | Geicus: all depends on what you want to do |
| 17:16.39 | Geicus | learn about embedded linux, rootfs, how to write usb device drivers |
| 17:17.20 | Geicus | i really like the specs on the beagleboard, but from what ive been able to see hammer has really good doc |
| 17:17.32 | prpplague | wmat: i have no /dev/dsp device node |
| 17:17.33 | Geicus | well, at least better than what ive been able to find on beagle |
| 17:18.10 | wmat | prpplague: ah |
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| 17:20.36 | Geicus | i don't know im still skeptical about both |
| 17:21.56 | ds2 | what specs do you need for the beagle? |
| 17:22.09 | ds2 | the amount of docs are compareable |
| 17:22.20 | Geicus | i mean the beagle has way more cpu and memory |
| 17:22.43 | Geicus | maybe it even adds complexity also |
| 17:25.31 | prpplague | Geicus: like i said, it is all about what you want to do, beagle is more geared towards software development, whereas the hammer is for hardware |
| 17:35.04 | MothaWork | beagle has some nasty errata, too |
| 17:36.16 | Geicus | has anybody played with http://www.omnima.co.uk/store/catalog/Embedded-controller-p-16140.html ? |
| 17:36.29 | Geicus | or routers like that |
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| 17:43.13 | Alwyn | Enter text here... |
| 17:43.35 | Alwyn | hello some one at home |
| 17:45.32 | Alwyn | Nail boards how do you open it on yahoo messenger? |
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| 17:51.34 | prpplague | open it on yahoo? |
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| 17:54.22 | prpplague | Alwyn4: what was your question? |
| 17:55.13 | Alwyn4 | hi to all |
| 17:55.31 | prpplague | Alwyn4: what did you want to know about the Nail Board? |
| 17:55.43 | Alwyn4 | prpplague yes |
| 17:56.38 | prpplague | Alwyn4: do you have one already? |
| 17:56.57 | Alwyn4 | prpplague no...how to open nail board at yahoo |
| 17:57.14 | prpplague | Alwyn4: i do not understand your question |
| 17:57.22 | prpplague | nail board at yahoo? |
| 17:57.30 | Alwyn4 | messenger |
| 17:57.57 | Alwyn4 | to stard a room |
| 17:58.02 | prpplague | Alwyn4: i don't understand what the Nail Board has to do with yahoo messenger |
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| 17:59.41 | Alwyn4 | yahoo messenger have nails in board to open a new chat room |
| 18:00.24 | kergoth | Alwyn4: this channel is for a piece of hardware. a physical board, with chips on it. it has nothing to do with yahoo |
| 18:00.56 | Alwyn4 | so you can not open new chat room in yahoo messenger |
| 18:01.23 | kergoth | once again, this channel is not about yahoo |
| 18:02.40 | Alwyn4 | maybe i did not understand you .. maybe i go next room . you speak about nails and board |
| 18:03.14 | prpplague | Alwyn4: this is the nail board - http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 18:03.35 | Alwyn4 | i speak about open the board nails as a hacker say |
| 18:04.03 | kergoth | this is not the place for whatever it is you're looking for. |
| 18:04.23 | Alwyn4 | ok bye and thank you |
| 18:04.42 | kergoth | boggles |
| 18:04.44 | L_Deluxe | Wow, that was weird. |
| 18:05.32 | kergoth | apparently he doesnt know how to read a /topic, among other issues... |
| 18:06.15 | L_Deluxe | Does that happen a lot? |
| 18:06.41 | prpplague | L_Deluxe: yea, we get people every once in a while that think the channel is for black hat cracking |
| 18:07.04 | L_Deluxe | So, kiddiez, then? |
| 18:09.24 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:09.29 | prpplague | script kiddies |
| 18:09.38 | L_Deluxe | Yeah, kergoth's response was probably about the best imaginable for that. |
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| 18:10.12 | kergoth | shakes head and sighs |
| 18:11.41 | prpplague | yea we had some guy in here the other day who was /msg'n everyone about help and making something to "man in the middle" hack smartcards |
| 18:16.16 | L_Deluxe | Joy. I only check in occasionally, so I missed that. |
| 18:16.27 | RobotGuy | Anyone got their hands on the new G1 (Android) phone yet? |
| 18:16.56 | Geicus | maybe he wanted to make a yahoo messenger client for the nailboard |
| 18:17.18 | CosmicPenguin | RobotGuy: I'm thinking about mosying down to the store this weekend to bang on the demo |
| 18:17.48 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Maybe I will have to wander into a T-Mobile store also. I have AT&T. |
| 18:18.12 | CosmicPenguin | I still think the software probably needs a couple more updates |
| 18:18.23 | CosmicPenguin | I'll wait for the next manufacturing run |
| 18:18.47 | RobotGuy | Now, if somebody gets multi-touch implemented on a non-Apple phone.. |
| 18:19.01 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Oh, no doubt since it is so new. |
| 18:22.37 | prpplague | Geicus: i think he just wanted some help with the yahoo groups/forums |
| 18:23.20 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, the list price on the G1 is the same as the OpenMoko Freerunner. |
| 18:24.30 | MothaWork | RobotGuy: well, it won't be called multi-touch |
| 18:24.33 | MothaWork | apple has a trademark on that |
| 18:25.10 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: Of course not. |
| 18:25.42 | RobotGuy | Apple is smart at stupid at the same time. |
| 18:26.48 | CosmicPenguin | http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77219819 |
| 18:26.53 | CosmicPenguin | Not yet trademarked |
| 18:27.07 | ds2 | half the universe fell apart :( |
| 18:27.33 | RobotGuy | I think Apple is using the hyphenated form too. |
| 18:28.06 | RobotGuy | I personally don't see anything real earth shattering about the iTouch or iPhone other than multi-touch. |
| 18:29.54 | RobotGuy | I wonder what sort of exclusive T-Mobile has on the G1. |
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| 18:38.47 | prpplague | lovely, the start of the playback is perfect now |
| 18:38.59 | prpplague | just the ending is still messed up |
| 18:39.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What are you playing back? |
| 18:40.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just a wav file |
| 18:41.18 | kergoth | anyone know how to create a 2gb wtmp file, by chance? |
| 18:44.03 | kergoth | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/remotely_eavesd.html |
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| 18:54.57 | MothaWork | prpplague: MTD complains pretty loudly when it finds an ECC error, right? |
| 18:56.00 | ds2 | MothaWork: think there might be a setting for it |
| 18:56.54 | MothaWork | ds2: well, how about an uncorrectable error? |
| 18:58.02 | ds2 | that I think it will yell loudly |
| 18:58.56 | MothaWork | so I should never get corrupted JFFS2 reads without seeing a logged message |
| 18:59.02 | MothaWork | unless ECC is not working correctly |
| 18:59.20 | ds2 | think that's right |
| 18:59.32 | MothaWork | then I'd say ECC is not working correctly here... |
| 18:59.57 | ds2 | software or hardware? |
| 19:00.15 | ds2 | and what kernel? |
| 19:00.24 | ds2 | I heard there were issues with the later 2.6.27's |
| 19:00.55 | MothaWork | this is 2.6.22.1, software ECC because the hardware ECC is broken |
| 19:01.04 | solar | oh joy. We just fired one of our top lead network engs after 5-6 years of service. |
| 19:01.21 | ds2 | oh... that SHOULD work, AFAIK |
| 19:01.35 | ds2 | solar: for cause? |
| 19:01.45 | solar | for yelling at a bean counter |
| 19:01.56 | ds2 | that |
| 19:02.11 | solar | same guy has yelled at everybody else in the company. entire mgmt team etc. But the moment it's a bean counter. poof he is gone |
| 19:02.21 | solar | shrug |
| 19:05.03 | RobotGuy | My second replacement Blackjack II has arrived. |
| 19:05.40 | ds2 | is it that hard for an ISP to update their web page saying there is a partial outtage?! |
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| 19:08.57 | RobotGuy | ds2: Most of them really don't want you to know when there is even a small outage. |
| 19:09.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea it usually does |
| 19:11.42 | MothaWork | prpplague: yeah, I'm getting situations where JFFS2 reads result in corrupted data |
| 19:12.00 | ds2 | RobotGuy: the thing is, that is more expensive for them.... anytime a custom calls it, it cost them $$ |
| 19:12.13 | MothaWork | initially, this would happen immediatley after installing the rootfs, but that was because the FS was not being written with uboot "nand write.jffs2", so factory bad blocks were not being skipped |
| 19:12.36 | MothaWork | either way, it should never give corrupted reads without saying there was an uncorrectable error (unless a multi-bit error just happens to result in correct ECC) |
| 19:13.00 | ds2 | MothaWork: was the image built with the correct page/block size? |
| 19:13.50 | RobotGuy | ds2: They bank on the fact most people won't even notice. |
| 19:14.16 | MothaWork | ds2: well, it worked for months until it suddently stopped |
| 19:14.27 | MothaWork | but I have no idea |
| 19:14.44 | ds2 | RobotGuy: witha 27 minute wait queue on TS where normally it is at most 5 mins, I think that is a bad bet |
| 19:14.49 | RobotGuy | has Verizon FIOS 20/5 now. |
| 19:15.13 | ds2 | MothaWork: same jffs2 image? |
| 19:15.24 | MothaWork | ds2: yes. And on several units no less |
| 19:15.42 | MothaWork | some units failed due to factory bad blocks, but skipping those blocks (which is the correct behavior) made them work |
| 19:16.39 | ds2 | and absolutely nothing changed? |
| 19:17.03 | MothaWork | some stuff probably got written to the FS |
| 19:17.28 | MothaWork | we have since attempted to dump a known good image on it (works on another unit), but it doesn't work (gives corrupted reads) |
| 19:17.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I got one of the SpeedBooster USB WiFi G adapters working with regular Linux. |
| 19:18.00 | ds2 | are they random corruption or you getting back blocks of 0's or ff's? |
| 19:18.33 | MothaWork | random corruption |
| 19:19.12 | MothaWork | jffs2 reads of files result in mostly valid data, but some corruption |
| 19:19.23 | MothaWork | chunks are garbled, but other chunks are fine |
| 19:19.28 | MothaWork | given that jffs2 is compressed, that makes some sense |
| 19:21.42 | MothaWork | hum, I'm actually not seeing anything in the code that would make it complain if there is an ECC failure |
| 19:22.42 | ds2 | maybe it is JFFS2 that does it... but there is something that yells |
| 19:23.08 | MothaWork | I do recall seeing something in JFFS2 that would yell if ECC failed, yes |
| 19:23.44 | ds2 | these boards have definitely worked before? |
| 19:24.12 | MothaWork | oh yes |
| 19:24.16 | MothaWork | we used this board for several months |
| 19:24.24 | MothaWork | then it randomly decided to return junk data |
| 19:24.45 | ds2 | NAND or OneNAND? |
| 19:25.06 | MothaWork | NAND |
| 19:25.50 | ds2 | does it work if the image is writen with nandwrite instead? |
| 19:26.07 | MothaWork | tough to say when I can't run nandwrite :) |
| 19:26.13 | ds2 | why not? |
| 19:26.54 | ds2 | on the omap, there was a wierdness with U-boot writing stuff. things to be read from the internal rom had to be hw ecc but the other u-boot parts needs tobe sw ecc |
| 19:28.33 | MothaWork | ds2: I'm running off the filesystem I need to write |
| 19:29.45 | ds2 | Oh... no ramdisk handy? |
| 19:29.52 | MothaWork | nope |
| 19:30.05 | ds2 | okay |
| 19:30.16 | ds2 | does the problem happen to all the files you attempt to read or just newly added ones? |
| 19:30.47 | MothaWork | well, on a newly written filesystem, it tends to happen on just a single file, though that file is not always the same one |
| 19:31.04 | MothaWork | the system is able to boot, for example, but often can't load a library to run our app |
| 19:32.05 | ds2 | i still wonder if the image was built with the wrong page size and you just happen to run into a situation after bad blocks develop |
| 19:32.38 | ds2 | are these 2K NAND's or the older 512byte NAND? |
| 19:32.45 | MothaWork | 2k |
| 19:32.58 | MothaWork | 256MiB devices |
| 19:33.34 | ds2 | the default for mkfs.jffs2 I think is 512 |
| 19:33.49 | MothaWork | well, I didn't make the filesystem |
| 19:33.56 | MothaWork | so I have no idea. Is there a way to query? |
| 19:35.01 | MothaWork | my mkfs.jffs2 says the default page size is 4k |
| 19:36.03 | ds2 | donno |
| 19:36.27 | ds2 | I had problems before with wrong paramters to mkfs.jffs2 |
| 19:38.16 | ds2 | bbl |
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| 20:18.56 | MothaWork | hum, page size was wrong. Changing it does seem to have fixed it |
| 20:25.48 | MothaWork | or maybe not... |
| 20:29.37 | prpplague | after a long terrible battle, dave once again emerges the victor over drivers/hardware issues |
| 20:29.45 | prpplague | has fixed the audio issue |
| 20:30.14 | MothaWork | prpplague: great! now look at our NAND issue :) |
| 20:30.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm so far behind, i'll soon beable to see the back of my own head |
| 20:31.59 | RobotGuy | You only need two mirrors to do that.. :0 |
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| 21:14.37 | echelon | how much more cpu intensive is SDL than X? |
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| 21:20.16 | prpplague | echelon: alot more |
| 21:20.30 | prpplague | echelon: assuming everything is built into SDL |
| 21:20.40 | echelon | hrm |
| 21:20.52 | echelon | kk |
| 21:25.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: isn't profesionally embedded dev so much fun? |
| 21:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | I wouldn't know |
| 21:26.08 | CosmicPenguin | professional wannabe embedded is what I do |
| 21:27.15 | ds2 | back |
| 21:32.07 | ds2 | prpplague: what was wrong with the audio issue? |
| 21:32.42 | prpplague | ds2: the pcm driver was que'n up two periods prior to starting playback, then starting playback |
| 21:33.00 | prpplague | ds2: problem is, the s3c2440 won;t allow the second que up until the first one is moving |
| 21:33.18 | ds2 | prpplague: pcm as in the ALSA layers? |
| 21:33.37 | prpplague | ds2: as in the alsa-soc pcm driver for the s3c24xx |
| 21:34.44 | ds2 | prpplague: I see. interesting |
| 21:36.45 | CosmicPenguin | kind of defeats the purpose of a list, doesn't it? |
| 21:49.20 | prpplague | yea doesn't make much sense to me either |
| 21:49.49 | ds2 | firefox just not usable |
| 21:51.58 | ds2 | there are reasons why people ask for largedownloads to be saved elsewhere and this POS insist on saving it to /tmp first WTF |
| 21:58.36 | chouimat|away | ds2 I prefer the way konqueror handle this it create a <filename>.part in the same directory where you wan to save the file |
| 21:59.04 | MonMotha | Firefox does that, too |
| 21:59.34 | MonMotha | at least FF2 does. They may have (idiotically, along with lots of other things) changed that in FF3 |
| 21:59.43 | chouimat|away | hehe |
| 22:00.23 | ds2 | not this instance of FF2 |
| 22:00.39 | ds2 | I ask it to save on my remote server and it creates a temp file in /tmp |
| 22:00.49 | ds2 | Mozilla creates the .part file in the same direct |
| 22:01.32 | MonMotha | odd. It puts the .part files in the target directory for me |
| 22:01.40 | MonMotha | perhaps it is detecting that the filesystem is remote? |
| 22:01.56 | MonMotha | that seems like some overcomplicated nonsense that FF would employ |
| 22:03.30 | ds2 | whatever it is, FF2 is a POS |
| 22:04.09 | ds2 | there are so many things wrong with FF |
| 22:04.52 | MonMotha | well, you'll not get much argument from me, there |
| 22:05.00 | MonMotha | however, until Opera has Adblock, I'm sticking with it |
| 22:05.14 | ds2 | it pisses me off to no end from people want/trying to get FF onto a mobile device |
| 22:05.28 | MonMotha | well, it's a decent free option |
| 22:05.36 | MonMotha | free as in beer |
| 22:05.48 | ds2 | decent? any program that consumes resources willy-nilly is not decent |
| 22:05.58 | ds2 | its memory usage is rediculous |
| 22:06.50 | kergoth | ff's extensions are awesome, thats about the best i can say for it. i'll be happy when chrome gets something similar |
| 22:07.03 | MonMotha | yes, but there are no other options as capable as FF that are free as in beer on an embedded system |
| 22:07.10 | MonMotha | you can perhaps swing some things with Konq |
| 22:07.29 | MonMotha | but it's tough to not have to GPL large pieces of your system if you use that due to Qt |
| 22:07.46 | MonMotha | and Konq needed KDE, last I checked |
| 22:07.57 | ds2 | I don't see FF as capable at all |
| 22:08.04 | MonMotha | Opera is simply for pay on non PC platforms |
| 22:08.12 | ds2 | w3m on the other hand is what i would call capable |
| 22:08.22 | kergoth | i hope you're joking. w3m's featureset is weak at best |
| 22:08.23 | MonMotha | you don't think FF is capable? It's on par with the webkit based stuff and modern Opera |
| 22:08.26 | MonMotha | w3m? |
| 22:08.27 | MonMotha | hah |
| 22:08.40 | ds2 | FF is a toolkit for ad pushers |
| 22:08.41 | MonMotha | i'm sorry, but people expect graphics |
| 22:08.53 | ds2 | toolkits for ad pushers is not capabilties I want anywhere |
| 22:08.56 | kergoth | what are you talking about? ad pushers? |
| 22:08.57 | ds2 | w3m can do graphics |
| 22:09.03 | MonMotha | really? I see so few ads in FF that I disagree |
| 22:09.03 | kergoth | put down the crack pipe, man |
| 22:09.06 | MonMotha | IE is a toolkit for ad pushers |
| 22:09.20 | ds2 | IE is not even a consideration |
| 22:09.22 | MonMotha | I don't have flash, and I have a relatively small list of the most abusive ad sites |
| 22:09.31 | kergoth | i run adblock and greasemonkey and see no ads at all, not even the containers that hold them |
| 22:09.38 | kergoth | and noscript, of course |
| 22:09.57 | ds2 | adblock doesn't work well enough |
| 22:10.10 | ds2 | noscript, I do admit is handy |
| 22:10.21 | ds2 | but it is those CSS based popups |
| 22:10.51 | MonMotha | ds2: well, I'm sorry, but for 99.9% (or more!) of WWW users out there, there is a strong desire for the modern graphically intensive AJAXy stuff |
| 22:11.02 | MonMotha | it it can't use google maps, I'm not interested |
| 22:11.03 | ds2 | AJAX == BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD to no end |
| 22:11.23 | MonMotha | there are plenty of sites that abuse AJAX stuff, but there are also plenty of sites that do a damned good job with it |
| 22:11.28 | ds2 | AJAX + GoogleMaps has been responsible for draining batteries many times |
| 22:11.39 | CosmicPenguin | I have to agree - unless you are militant about not seeing any advertising what-so-ever, you aren't getting assailed by ads or anything |
| 22:11.40 | MonMotha | ok...but was it useful? |
| 22:11.46 | ds2 | nope. completely useless |
| 22:11.50 | MonMotha | really... |
| 22:11.51 | kergoth | i can't remember the last time i saw an ad in ff |
| 22:11.58 | kergoth | ajax is quite nice, since portions of the page can update without fully reloading or using frames |
| 22:12.04 | ds2 | googlemaps inside a PalmOS emulator was quite useful |
| 22:12.05 | MonMotha | you must have a different definition of "useful" than I |
| 22:12.19 | ds2 | when it takes about 30seconds to render the page, it is not very useful |
| 22:12.35 | MonMotha | that's not google maps' fault |
| 22:12.45 | MonMotha | google maps is quite usable in Opera on most smartphones |
| 22:12.54 | kergoth | if you think i'm going to sit and wait 30 seconds when i don't have to, you're quite mistaken. maybe you like slow, laggy interfaces |
| 22:12.58 | MonMotha | hell, it'll even talk to your GPS on mayn of those phones! |
| 22:12.58 | ds2 | running a non AJAX based googlemaps inside an emulator is prefectly fine |
| 22:13.22 | MonMotha | so what you're saying is you want Mapquest circa 200 |
| 22:13.23 | MonMotha | 2001 |
| 22:13.40 | ds2 | actually that was quite useful |
| 22:13.42 | kergoth | ick |
| 22:13.48 | kergoth | i don't miss those crappy sites at all |
| 22:13.56 | kergoth | and i can't say i know anyone that does |
| 22:13.56 | ds2 | I do not need something that insist on drawing "bubbles" that take up 95% of my screen |
| 22:14.04 | MonMotha | it was useful, but there's a reason google maps has supplanted it or me |
| 22:14.06 | MonMotha | *for me |
| 22:15.18 | ds2 | not saying google maps isn't useful... just saying in the AJAX form, it is more then useless |
| 22:15.22 | kergoth | it's the responsiveness i love, plus the ability to zoom with the mouse wheel and all. no waiting for slow reloads every time you want to scroll or zoom, just drag or use the wheel, smooth and fast |
| 22:15.35 | ds2 | Google does produce a googlemaps client that doesn't use AJAX! |
| 22:16.06 | MonMotha | yes, but I was using the website in this case |
| 22:16.06 | CosmicPenguin | I admit, I find ajax more useful then not |
| 22:16.23 | CosmicPenguin | call it a guilty pleasure, I guess |
| 22:16.27 | MonMotha | I think you'll be hard pressed to find many people who consider google maps a bad use of AJAX |
| 22:16.36 | MonMotha | there are certainly plenty of such bad uses, but google maps isn't one of them |
| 22:16.37 | kergoth | sorry, most people, including me, don't have your silly prejudices ds2. most of us use what works, and prefer what works faster and smoother, not ancient interfaces just because they don't use a technology you personally dislike |
| 22:17.07 | ds2 | kergoth: if you find waiting 30+ seconds for an update smoother... |
| 22:17.42 | kergoth | i don't wait 30 seconds for an update. in fact, its the improved responsiveness that i like about most of the ajax interfaces |
| 22:18.59 | kergoth | maybe you're using devices that are substnatially more resource constrained? |
| 22:19.00 | kergoth | shrugs |
| 22:19.03 | ds2 | kergoth: I am talking about using this on a mobile device |
| 22:19.20 | ds2 | note the complain about it sucking down battery |
| 22:19.35 | MonMotha | that's the browser, not the technology |
| 22:19.46 | MonMotha | were you using Firefox/Minimo for this? |
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| 22:20.12 | ds2 | an offshoot of firefox (same core) |
| 22:20.19 | MonMotha | there's your problem :) |
| 22:20.33 | ozgur01 | hello |
| 22:20.55 | ozgur01 | good evening to everyone |
| 22:22.16 | MonMotha | ozgur01: it is generally frowned upon to blindly PM people without asking |
| 22:22.33 | ozgur01 | sorry |
| 22:23.33 | ozgur01 | i was just get excited |
| 22:26.13 | MonMotha | ozgur01: this channel has nothing to do with cracking |
| 22:26.31 | ozgur01 | ok |
| 22:26.33 | ozgur01 | thx |
| 22:34.07 | ds2 | MonMotha: got any further with the flash issue? |
| 22:34.32 | CosmicPenguin | Must be crazy day |
| 22:45.16 | CosmicPenguin | What is the current state of the linux firmware toolkit, anybody know? |
| 22:45.24 | CosmicPenguin | project seems to be quiet |
| 22:46.27 | MonMotha | ds2: perhaps |
| 22:46.57 | MonMotha | ds2: I realized this was an old board that had a floating ground on the flash. It hasn't caused issues in the past (and is fixed on our production rev), but soldering down that pin to ground did make it work |
| 22:51.29 | ds2 | oh |
| 22:55.40 | MonMotha | ds2: I'm not convinced that's the problem, though |
| 22:55.53 | MonMotha | the problem was very consistent. It was always the same problem on the same library. |
| 22:56.00 | ds2 | MonMotha: it does seem odd how that can sneak pass ECC |
| 22:56.20 | MonMotha | that GND is supposedly only for the IO, not the actual flash, so it shouldn't cause marginal flash behavior, just maybe some I/O oddness, which I'd expect would be more widespread |
| 22:56.26 | MonMotha | and yes, why would ECC not catch it? |