| 00:13.29 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 00:13.46 | g1powermac | 'picking at a pic axe with a scalpel instead of an axe' ;-) |
| 00:13.58 | g1powermac | ducks ;-) |
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| 01:07.26 | JohnnyL | hey RobotGuy |
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| 01:10.35 | echelon | JohnnyL: you wanted to talk about something? |
| 01:11.25 | RobotGuy | JohnnyL: Hello |
| 01:14.58 | JohnnyL | echelon? |
| 01:15.04 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy: what's happening dude? |
| 01:15.15 | echelon | yeah? |
| 01:15.24 | RobotGuy | JohnnyL: Do I know you by another nick? |
| 01:15.30 | JohnnyL | echelon what did i say to you. lol |
| 01:15.37 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy: no i'm just ultra friendly. |
| 01:15.47 | RobotGuy | Oh, OK. :) |
| 01:17.03 | echelon | about the gp2x? |
| 01:17.57 | JohnnyL | echelon: oh. yeah.are you working on any projects for it? |
| 01:18.20 | echelon | no, on the zipit |
| 01:18.28 | JohnnyL | oh. |
| 01:18.38 | JohnnyL | zipit is pretty popular. |
| 01:18.46 | echelon | it is? |
| 01:19.05 | echelon | not from the looks of things :\ |
| 01:19.32 | g1powermac | needs to get back to work on his zipit |
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| 01:20.24 | RobotGuy | echelon: Considerable hacking has been done here by several on the ZipIt2 |
| 01:20.40 | JohnnyL | echelon well the local linux user group has a bunch of kids in it and where talking about it alot last year (or the year before). |
| 01:20.54 | JohnnyL | echelon why are you developing for it then? |
| 01:21.02 | g1powermac | JohnnyL, echelon, have you guys seen my zipit site? |
| 01:21.12 | JohnnyL | g1powermac nope |
| 01:21.17 | g1powermac | http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:21.39 | g1powermac | unfortunately haven't done a thing with my zipit since august |
| 01:21.51 | echelon | g1powermac: yeah, i was looking for you :P |
| 01:22.20 | echelon | my version of buildroot doesn't have the makefiles for some of the packages |
| 01:22.23 | echelon | like tinyx |
| 01:22.24 | g1powermac | echelon, I'm always here, though may not be at my computer :-) |
| 01:22.31 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 01:22.39 | g1powermac | buildroot is a pain sometimes |
| 01:22.54 | JohnnyL | echelon are those red and yellow cables of your design? |
| 01:23.00 | echelon | what? |
| 01:23.33 | echelon | you're confusing me with g1powermac ? |
| 01:25.01 | JohnnyL | oh yeah, echelon yup |
| 01:25.02 | JohnnyL | g1powermac ^ |
| 01:25.27 | g1powermac | what red and yellow cables? |
| 01:28.22 | GPSFan | echelon: it looks like tinyx, tinyx-old and xorg were pulled out of buildroot back in June. |
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| 01:41.53 | echelon | wow |
| 01:42.04 | echelon | so there's no xserver? |
| 01:42.12 | JohnnyL | g1powermac yah |
| 01:42.24 | RobotGuy | still doesn't care much for Buildroot. |
| 01:42.40 | zburns | is there a good overview to doing embedded. eg. syslinux, building the kernel, etc. I've got an ICOP EBox board to start with |
| 01:42.51 | RobotGuy | I'm starting to lean more towards getting a Pico-ITX board and putting full Gentoo on it. |
| 01:43.58 | echelon | embedded gentoo looks interesting |
| 01:44.31 | RobotGuy | echelon: It works on Hammer also. |
| 01:44.37 | echelon | i might give it a try |
| 01:44.52 | echelon | i'm on arm |
| 01:44.54 | GPSFan | echelon: no there is x11r7 |
| 01:45.00 | RobotGuy | I just have to figure out how to cram all I want into 16 MB of flash. |
| 01:45.19 | echelon | but not stripped down for embedded linux? |
| 01:45.55 | RobotGuy | echelon: Gentoo Embedded is the real deal - nothing stripped down. New packages being added frequently. |
| 01:46.07 | echelon | i like stripped down :P |
| 01:46.14 | GPSFan | echelon: indeed, not a good move IMHO, but tinyx hadn't been maintained in ages and kdrive was abandoned iirc |
| 01:46.23 | RobotGuy | It depends what you call stripped down. |
| 01:46.26 | echelon | but it worked :\ |
| 01:46.39 | echelon | RobotGuy: optimized for embedded stuff |
| 01:46.43 | JohnnyL | tiny-e (tiny elvis) and his sidekick Joe Esposido. |
| 01:47.26 | echelon | and from what pprp.. forgot what his nick is |
| 01:47.30 | RobotGuy | echelon: There are always optimizations of one kind or another to fit the embedded environment, but these need not be classified as stripped down. |
| 01:47.41 | echelon | from what he said, sdl is a lot more cpu intensive then X :\ |
| 01:48.31 | echelon | RobotGuy: well, not optimized in the sense of architecture.. but remove unnecessary features |
| 01:48.46 | echelon | that you would only use on desktops |
| 01:49.36 | RobotGuy | echelon: True, but exactly what features usable on desktops would not find some sort of use for embedded platforms? |
| 01:50.37 | echelon | well.. take Xorg and tinyx/kdrive |
| 01:50.42 | echelon | for example |
| 01:51.15 | RobotGuy | Just don't mention Windows Mobile in my presence. |
| 01:51.32 | echelon | eh, never |
| 01:51.41 | RobotGuy | I'm on my second replacement phone. :( |
| 01:53.06 | RobotGuy | IMO, Samsung did not allow enough room for the charging/USB connector in the Blackjack II. |
| 01:59.54 | RobotGuy | I kept telling the guy at AT&T I didn't want another replacement phone, but finally gave up. |
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| 02:54.15 | RobotGuy | waves at landley |
| 02:55.17 | landley | waves at RobotGuy. |
| 02:55.19 | landley | How goes? |
| 02:55.48 | landley | I'm doing prebuilt binary toolchains and system images built against uClibc -svn. |
| 02:56.02 | landley | I'm setting up a server to build and upload nightly builds. |
| 02:56.08 | landley | http://uclibc.org/~landley/fwl |
| 02:56.11 | RobotGuy | Cool. |
| 02:57.14 | RobotGuy | As for me, I have had an 'interesting' week. Fell once, almost got catapulted into traffic once, got stuck under a folding table once. |
| 02:57.50 | RobotGuy | Counting the days until I can take my Amateur Radio Technician test. |
| 02:58.22 | RobotGuy | And I am on my second replacement Blackjack II phone, which finally looks like it will be fine. |
| 02:58.51 | RobotGuy | I think 'eventful' would be an understatement of this past week for me. |
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| 04:02.13 | ds2 | another ham! |
| 04:02.20 | ds2 | got rig? |
| 04:12.57 | RobotGuy | ds2: I'm taking my test next month. :) |
| 04:14.01 | RobotGuy | Tentatively decided on a Kenwood TM-D710A or Yaesu VX-8R/E for VHF/UHF. |
| 04:22.34 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy what sorta of stuff happens on HAM. |
| 04:22.40 | JohnnyL | I mean isn't the internet enough? |
| 04:24.57 | RobotGuy | JohnnyL: How about being able to talk all over the world over radio, using many different modes, for starters? |
| 04:25.25 | RobotGuy | I can't easily take the Internet with me where ever I go. |
| 04:25.41 | JohnnyL | I can talk all over the world over wire or wireless using many different modes. :) |
| 04:25.41 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy, try a laptop, their easier. |
| 04:26.27 | RobotGuy | Laptops still require some sort of networking to be useful for the internet. |
| 04:27.07 | RobotGuy | I can take a radio literally anywhere I go and be connected using any of a number of communications modes. :) |
| 04:27.07 | JohnnyL | Does being mobile matter unless your a trucker or have a cell phone? |
| 04:27.35 | RobotGuy | Yes, being mobile matters a great deal to me, |
| 04:27.42 | JohnnyL | I can take an irc client literally anywhere I go and be connected using any of a number of communication modes. :) |
| 04:28.05 | RobotGuy | Do that on a cell phone and I may be a little impressed. :) |
| 04:28.24 | JohnnyL | what's a communiation mode anyway? |
| 04:28.54 | RobotGuy | However, on my current cell phone, I do have Yahoo, MSN, and AIM. |
| 04:29.12 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy thanks for proving my point. |
| 04:29.18 | RobotGuy | Cell phones are severely limited in how they can communicate, but radio has no such limits. |
| 04:30.01 | RobotGuy | I would have difficulty communicating with a person in Africa via cell phone without incurring a large bill. |
| 04:30.13 | RobotGuy | Radio doesn't require a carrier like cell does. |
| 04:30.28 | RobotGuy | I haven't proven your point either. |
| 04:31.16 | RobotGuy | HAM radio has frequency ranges (bands) starting from 1.8 MHz all the way up into GHz (Microwaves). |
| 04:31.55 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy, what will you achieve with HAM? |
| 04:32.22 | RobotGuy | AM, FM, SSB, RTTY (Upper or Lower), several digital modes, for starters. |
| 04:32.41 | RobotGuy | Do I necessarily have to achieve anything other than having fun with HAM Radio? |
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| 04:33.05 | RobotGuy | I meant SSB (Upper and Lower), RTTY. |
| 04:33.10 | JohnnyL | fun.. like what fun? |
| 04:33.26 | RobotGuy | Talking to people all over the world for FREE. |
| 04:33.53 | RobotGuy | Being able to actually experiment with various modes of transmission if I want to. |
| 04:34.49 | RobotGuy | One thing I want to experiment with is Packet Radio and other digital modes for networking robots. |
| 04:35.56 | RobotGuy | There is also APRS and IRLP. |
| 04:37.15 | RobotGuy | Oh, and did I mention I would actually be able to talk directly to astronauts on the international space station? |
| 04:41.21 | JohnnyL | RobotGuy bascially you want to build skynet? |
| 04:41.22 | JohnnyL | AHAHHAHA |
| 04:41.31 | ds2 | RobotGuy: only an HT? no HF stuf? |
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| 05:03.49 | RobotGuy | No, I don't want to build SkyNet. Others are working on that. :p |
| 05:04.25 | RobotGuy | I am orimarily interested in VHF/UHF right now, but am getting more interested in HF also. |
| 05:04.59 | RobotGuy | I would like to have an Icom IC-7000 for all band/all mode stuffs. |
| 05:10.48 | ds2 | nice thing about HF is the simple QRP rigs |
| 05:16.31 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yes, and I am going to get myself a copy of the 2009 Radio Amateur's Manual next month. :) I am really starting to catch the build-it bug now. |
| 05:18.01 | RobotGuy | ds2: The TM-D710A is a 144 MHz/440 MHz mobile rig with APRS, etc. |
| 05:18.38 | RobotGuy | It can also remotely control a Kenwood TS-2000X |
| 05:18.38 | ds2 | you mean the ARRL publication? |
| 05:19.16 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yes, I think that's the one. HRO has the 2009 books now and are cutting prices on the existing 2008 stock. |
| 05:19.48 | ds2 | I been disappointed by the ARRL books...less and less info as each year goes by |
| 05:20.42 | RobotGuy | I'm more interested in the construction stuff for VHF and above right now. |
| 05:21.15 | ds2 | ah |
| 05:21.30 | ds2 | VHF construction can get tricky |
| 05:22.02 | RobotGuy | I'm more interested in using the module approach where I can. |
| 05:22.27 | ds2 | I see |
| 05:23.08 | RobotGuy | Something basic for 2M and/or 70 cm I can tie other stuff into. |
| 05:23.25 | RobotGuy | I'm als very interested in 6M. |
| 05:23.35 | RobotGuy | *also |
| 05:23.46 | ds2 | 6M is indeed interseting but no cheap radio |
| 05:25.01 | RobotGuy | That is definitely true, which is why the Icom IC-7000 is extremely interesting - very small size and all band/all mode 160M up to at least 70 cm. |
| 05:26.44 | ds2 | Ouch, that is one steep radio |
| 05:27.50 | ds2 | I prefer to play in the Alinco price class ;) |
| 05:29.22 | RobotGuy | I think there are some pretty inexpensive Alinco 2M, 6M, 70 cm radios. |
| 05:29.47 | ds2 | I know about their 2M and 440 radios... didn't think they made any real cheap 6M units |
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| 08:44.25 | wilson | hi there.. i'm trying to compile buildroot for i386 target, but several packages is still exit with error undefined reference to lseek64, open64, etc. all related to .....64. uncle google tell me to enable large file support on, but it's take no effect.... |
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| 20:35.18 | JohnnyL | hi |
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| 23:53.03 | JohnnyL | the gpwiz has Display: 320×240 2.8 inch AMOLED Touch Screen but then the wiki says: Maximum Resolution: 640*480 |
| 23:53.05 | JohnnyL | wtf? |