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| 14:16.26 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:16.32 | prpplague | merry freakin tuesday |
| 14:17.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day |
| 14:17.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
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| 14:52.35 | CosmicPenguin | What software does GNU use to make their mheir manuals? |
| 14:52.39 | CosmicPenguin | s/mheir// |
| 14:52.48 | CosmicPenguin | good job prl |
| 15:05.11 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: probably troff |
| 15:05.22 | MothaWork | Stallman doesn't like TeX |
| 15:05.34 | chouimat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.37 | chouimat|work | oops :) |
| 15:05.54 | CosmicPenguin | yea, it looks like are down with the groff |
| 15:06.44 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: awesome! |
| 15:07.01 | chouimat|work | now he need to prove it :) |
| 15:07.06 | CosmicPenguin | Daylight savings is also why I drink too much and sleep in in the morning |
| 15:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | Daylight savings took my job and raised my taxes |
| 15:07.47 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: I think you can have a lot of things that will explain your drinking problem :) |
| 15:08.01 | chouimat|work | my favorite one is because I want to |
| 15:08.07 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but daylight savings isn't helping the situation |
| 15:08.18 | chouimat|work | hehe |
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| 15:14.29 | CosmicPenguin | I could read fail blog all day |
| 15:14.44 | chouimat|work | today feel like one of those day |
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| 15:18.19 | CosmicPenguin | seriously, I have to stoip |
| 15:18.22 | CosmicPenguin | real work to do |
| 15:53.31 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:53.57 | kergoth | prpplague: was it you that was looking for free licensed sound files a while back? http://www.freesound.org/index.php |
| 15:54.23 | prpplague | kergoth: yea that was me |
| 15:54.28 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks |
| 15:54.42 | kergoth | just happened to run across it in a blog entry.. i know there was others, but thats a start |
| 15:54.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55.29 | CosmicPenguin | oh - thats useful |
| 15:55.38 | prpplague | booksmarks |
| 15:57.46 | CosmicPenguin | I need to use my delicious.com account more |
| 15:57.53 | CosmicPenguin | I have all these urls that i forgot about |
| 15:58.03 | kergoth | same |
| 15:59.17 | kergoth | nowadays I'm clipping useful articles, stuff with useful information that i want to be able to search the content of, into evernote, and any web pages i visit very regularly go on the bookmakr toolbar or in my 1password account db, and then random pages i want to read, but haven't yet, go into instapaper temporarily.. and then random pages that i want to be abl eto go back to someday, like the sound db, those go into delicious |
| 15:59.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | ccmixter seems useful too |
| 16:00.29 | kergoth | ah, interesting |
| 16:00.37 | kergoth | mixes eh |
| 16:00.39 | kergoth | nifty |
| 16:01.16 | kergoth | a couple years back i ended up finding freesound in my search for a free 'heartbeat' sound, to use in one of my wow addons :P |
| 16:02.04 | CosmicPenguin | I've been wanting to find some good CC music and sounds to mix into my home movies |
| 16:03.28 | CosmicPenguin | I have almost a years worth of baby clips to DVDize for xmas |
| 16:03.32 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:04.47 | CosmicPenguin | I am amused that the most popular sounds on freesound are halloween sounds.. :) |
| 16:07.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:07.33 | CosmicPenguin | its hard to find good stuff, though |
| 16:07.38 | kergoth | I've asked before, but anyone have any tips on kernel crash dump analysis? |
| 16:07.55 | CosmicPenguin | in what context? |
| 16:08.10 | CosmicPenguin | debugging? post mortum? |
| 16:08.31 | kergoth | yep, from an lkcd crash dump |
| 16:09.44 | CosmicPenguin | I usually just go the manual route |
| 16:10.04 | CosmicPenguin | I tend to disassemble the vmlinux with objdump |
| 16:10.23 | CosmicPenguin | give you a little bit more feel for what was happening - of course if the IP is off in never-never land then thats not very useful |
| 16:11.27 | kergoth | i hate debugging after the fact, cant just move up & down the stack and poke at locals, you know, so i find it hard to figure out what the root cause was that lead to this situation |
| 16:13.19 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, it is tough |
| 16:27.08 | kergoth | the 'crash' tool just segfaulted :( |
| 16:32.21 | kergoth | really needs to fill in more of the gaps in his knowledge |
| 16:33.13 | prpplague | jokes with kergoth |
| 16:33.19 | prpplague | kergoth: need a shovel? |
| 16:33.26 | solar | spray polyurethane foam. |
| 16:33.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:36.54 | CosmicPenguin | Disassemblies are really the best tool - at least you can see your IP (or RIP) and get an idea of what was going down |
| 16:37.10 | CosmicPenguin | not always the answer, but its better then nothing |
| 16:37.31 | CosmicPenguin | plus, you learn assembly which puts you ahead of 99% of the rest of the clowns |
| 16:37.53 | kergoth | my asm is rusty, and this is x86, which I've never been a master of. need to work on that |
| 16:38.55 | CosmicPenguin | welcome to the dark side |
| 16:39.07 | CosmicPenguin | you will need a silly hat and a crack pipe |
| 16:39.17 | prpplague | refrains from commenting |
| 16:39.43 | CosmicPenguin | Note that I omitted the hole in the head that the ARM guys require |
| 16:39.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:41.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: speaking of x86, dma channels on x86 model, any of your amd stuff have autoreload features? |
| 16:42.32 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: know any good books i should pick up on the subject? |
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| 16:44.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: on x86 architecture specifically, or also dealing with the legacy pererphicals? |
| 16:44.59 | kergoth | mainly the architecture stuff |
| 16:45.14 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/DevelopWithAMD/0,,30_2252_869_875^7044,00.html |
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| 16:45.23 | CosmicPenguin | Those are great references, but not so much for teaching |
| 16:45.53 | kergoth | mov 0x20(%rbx),%eax .. what's the () syntax there? |
| 16:46.01 | CosmicPenguin | offset |
| 16:46.03 | kergoth | ahh |
| 16:46.09 | CosmicPenguin | mov offset 0x20 of %rbx |
| 16:47.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, got all your halloween stuff ready? |
| 16:47.39 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, its still not set up yet |
| 16:47.41 | CosmicPenguin | but its ready to go |
| 16:47.43 | CosmicPenguin | its pretty awesome |
| 16:48.19 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hmm, where can i find abi info, calling conventions? |
| 16:48.57 | CosmicPenguin | Like C function calling abi? |
| 16:49.22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:49.33 | CosmicPenguin | Best reference for that is the GCC documentation |
| 16:50.22 | CosmicPenguin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_calling_conventions |
| 16:50.24 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good start |
| 16:54.19 | kergoth | cool, thanks |
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| 17:07.57 | MothaWork | kergoth: are you actually using AT&T syntax for the assembly? |
| 17:08.30 | kergoth | not writing it, looking at disassembly in 'crash', default configuration, haven't messed with it |
| 17:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | you have to be adept at switching back and forth |
| 17:10.32 | CosmicPenguin | oh, and you will mess it up at some point and waste half a day |
| 17:10.36 | CosmicPenguin | thats tradition |
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| 17:58.23 | kergoth | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/face-visualizer-turns-us-all-into-meat-puppets/ = crazy |
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| 18:29.11 | kergoth | grr.. I'm supposed to confirm whether this problem is actually occurring, by analyzing the dump file, but the problem has to do with a function accessing the stack of another thread's function after that other function has returned (thread synchronization problem).. well, after the fact, the old stack contents it used to make its decisions is no longer accessible, all i can do is see, yep, the data its looking at is not valid.. |
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| 19:07.52 | kergoth | http://consumerist.com/5069734/at-least-i-have-a-f-dollar |
| 19:14.06 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 19:14.15 | chouimat|work | kergoth: probably not for long ;) |
| 19:14.31 | kergoth | hehe, yea, some guy got that as change, so i guess the guy that wrote on it doesn't have his fuckin dollar anymore |
| 19:15.33 | chouimat|work | yup |
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| 19:19.21 | chouimat|work | kergoth: one of the guy use bills to advertise his website |
| 19:54.55 | prpplague | kergoth: can't find a single "beep" wav file that would fit for a "good scan" response, hehe |
| 19:55.31 | prpplague | kergoth: did find a bunch of the others i was looking for |
| 19:56.50 | kergoth | heh, you'd think a beep would be one of the most common |
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| 20:32.24 | prpplague | kergoth: indeed |
| 20:33.11 | prpplague | kergoth: lots of error beeps, but nothing that really fits for a good beep |
| 20:33.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:34.10 | prpplague | kergoth: probably end up just using some sine wave tones |
| 20:35.27 | CosmicPenguin | Record yourself saying "MEEHH!" |
| 20:35.37 | CosmicPenguin | ... "ya dumb bastard" |
| 20:35.55 | CosmicPenguin | I wish my gadgets had a worse attitude |
| 20:36.06 | prpplague | hehe, funny you should say that, thats what i've been testing with |
| 20:36.23 | CosmicPenguin | The tomtom should say "left, you goofy idiot, left I tell you!" |
| 20:36.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know there is a company that sells personality audio for tomtom and other gps? |
| 20:36.59 | CosmicPenguin | is there really? |
| 20:37.07 | CosmicPenguin | Thats awesome - are they hiring? |
| 20:40.01 | prpplague | http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_June_27/ai_n26907844 |
| 20:40.13 | prpplague | there are 3 or 4 thirdparty companies that are doing them too |
| 20:41.11 | prpplague | Other popular and celebrated personalities you may choose include Austin Powers, Kim Cattrall, Marilyn Monroe, Clint Eastwood, Tony Blair, Arnold Swarzenegger, Patrick Stewart, George Bush, Joe Pesci, Catherine Tate, Sharon, Cowell, Julian Clary, Victor Meldrew and Ozzy Ozbourne plus many more. For sci-fi and cartoon fanatics get animated with the voices of Darth Vader, Homer Simpson, Yoda, and Mr. T. There are a lot more available and readi |
| 20:41.12 | prpplague | ly downloadable anywhere and anytime you want it. |
| 20:43.03 | CosmicPenguin | Do they have Bender? |
| 20:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | that would be the one I want |
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| 20:43.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, indeed that one would be dandy |
| 20:44.27 | L_Deluxe | I don't imagine the Hyacinth Bucket one would sell well. |
| 20:45.10 | CosmicPenguin | or HAL |
| 20:45.14 | CosmicPenguin | Turn left, dave |
| 20:45.36 | L_Deluxe | Which I'm sure gets old really fast when one's name is Dave. |
| 20:46.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did you get any Space Odessy blowback in your younger days? |
| 20:46.19 | CosmicPenguin | I would have probably said it constantly if I had a friend named dave |
| 20:46.40 | L_Deluxe | Sometimes, that is the point. |
| 20:47.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea right, K-12 was at a school in the middle of a cow pasture, how many of the local would you have expected to have read or seen 2001? |
| 20:47.56 | prpplague | http://www.tomtom.com/plus/services/voices.php |
| 20:48.03 | CosmicPenguin | That wouldn't have stopped me... :0 |
| 20:48.50 | CosmicPenguin | That tomtom stuff is awesome |
| 20:48.55 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed, it stopped 99% of the people i grew up around |
| 20:49.12 | CosmicPenguin | Your parrot is stone dead |
| 20:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | ceased to be |
| 20:49.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:50.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how mnay kids K-12 did you have growing up? |
| 20:50.23 | prpplague | one has to wonder if the chewbaca voice over would very useful |
| 20:50.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: about 400 per grade |
| 20:51.05 | CosmicPenguin | see - thats not podunk |
| 20:51.28 | CosmicPenguin | My old high school in wyoming graduated 19 |
| 20:51.30 | CosmicPenguin | now thats podunk |
| 20:52.05 | CosmicPenguin | I would get chewbacca and turn it on if I was drunk and the DD was driving my car |
| 20:52.08 | chouimat|work | hmmm Ozzy Osbourne voice on my gps .... scary |
| 20:53.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea the size didn't compensate for the narrow mindedness of the local rednecks |
| 20:53.58 | prpplague | is very bitter about his school days if you didn't notice |
| 20:54.15 | chouimat|work | prpplague: you're not alone ... |
| 20:56.29 | prpplague | thinks chouimat|work would have some sort of female pr0n voice with lots of sex innuendos |
| 20:57.00 | chouimat|work | prpplague: who me? |
| 20:57.08 | prpplague | hehe yea you |
| 20:57.34 | prpplague | "oh baby you are _driving_ me wild" |
| 20:57.52 | chouimat|work | lol |
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| 21:03.53 | prpplague | kergoth: re |
| 21:27.23 | CosmicPenguin | AMD stock is at 2.94 |
| 21:27.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorry 2.84 |
| 21:40.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats almost a gallon of gas |
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| 21:43.02 | CosmicPenguin | yay! |
| 21:43.02 | CosmicPenguin | It takes me 2 gallons to drive to work |
| 21:43.04 | prpplague | right now, i'm only 4 blocks from work, but i'm sure thats going to change soon :( |
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| 22:52.50 | joe_bleau | Takes me about 1.61 gallons, at 31MPG. |
| 22:54.33 | joe_bleau | What's a good linux distribution for an SBC (PCEngines ALIX, the one with VGA video)? |
| 22:54.35 | joe_bleau | Tried debian, but the installer crashes. |
| 22:54.36 | joe_bleau | Oh, PXE booting and network install is my best option. |
| 22:55.03 | CosmicPenguin | Why does the installer crash? |
| 22:55.11 | CosmicPenguin | the text installer? |
| 22:55.38 | joe_bleau | Yep. Dies at "Ready", after loading the kernel. No output to indicate the kernel booted to start the installation. |
| 22:55.50 | mnemoc | wrong optimization? |
| 22:55.51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not good |
| 22:55.59 | CosmicPenguin | you are using an i386 kernel, right? |
| 22:56.05 | joe_bleau | Tried a ton of different options for debugging verbosity, turned off apic stuff, etc. |
| 22:56.13 | joe_bleau | I guess. How would I know? |
| 22:56.23 | joe_bleau | I just untar'd the pxe boot stuff and let it run. |
| 22:56.24 | CosmicPenguin | it depends on what installer you downloaded |
| 22:56.36 | mnemoc | smells a SIGILL |
| 22:56.50 | joe_bleau | Hmm. Surely the PXE boot stuff wouldn't run if I picked the wrong arch, right? |
| 22:57.00 | joe_bleau | (Machine is at work, so I don't have the files handy.) |
| 22:57.00 | CosmicPenguin | no - because you might be using the wrong kernel |
| 22:57.07 | CosmicPenguin | the PXE stuff will run in 16 bit real mode regardless of the architecture |
| 22:57.21 | joe_bleau | Gotcha. |
| 22:57.23 | CosmicPenguin | the kernel is the first oppertunity for the system to kick into AMD64 mode |
| 22:57.42 | CosmicPenguin | That would blow up terribly on the alix |
| 22:57.50 | joe_bleau | I'm almost completely certain I was not downloading an x64 installer. |
| 22:58.11 | joe_bleau | But 486 vs. pentium type kernel, yeah, I could be on the wrong one. |
| 22:58.25 | CosmicPenguin | i686 would probably run |
| 22:58.28 | joe_bleau | FWIW, I had less trouble installing openbsd and win2k then linux (so far). |
| 22:58.45 | mnemoc | don't know the alix thing, but CMOV causes "some" issues too |
| 22:58.52 | joe_bleau | Well, except for the win2k video driver, but that's *way* off topic... |
| 22:58.55 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm sure I would have heard if debian was borking on those boards |
| 22:59.51 | CosmicPenguin | joe_bleau: I'm not even sure there _is_ a win2k driver for the LX |
| 23:00.11 | joe_bleau | The download page shows it as XP, but running it claims that it's 2k/XP. |
| 23:01.03 | joe_bleau | I'm fairly certain I was using this file to start: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 23:02.12 | CosmicPenguin | have you tried any of the other installers? |
| 23:03.01 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I tried stable for sure, and something older. |
| 23:03.11 | CosmicPenguin | thats unfortunate |
| 23:03.28 | joe_bleau | High probability of pilot error, of course. |
| 23:03.49 | joe_bleau | First time PXE booting, new hardware, etc. |
| 23:04.22 | joe_bleau | Even tried the serial console, but never got any output. |
| 23:05.20 | joe_bleau | I've a soekris box here at the house...maybe I'll try installing on it tonight. |
| 23:05.41 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder if I have PXE server handy |
| 23:05.50 | joe_bleau | If it fails on me, it's bound to pilot error. |
| 23:06.09 | joe_bleau | I was using an ultra 60/openbsd to serve the boot images. |
| 23:06.19 | joe_bleau | No problems there. |
| 23:09.02 | CosmicPenguin | you would think I would have a tftpd server running on my development system |
| 23:09.22 | joe_bleau | Must admit, the PXE stuff went better than I was expecting. |
| 23:09.52 | joe_bleau | Not as nice as the sparc's forth based openfirmware, obviously. |
| 23:10.11 | CosmicPenguin | with a little bit of hacking, you could get ofw running on that alix, you know |
| 23:10.15 | CosmicPenguin | especially if you know forth |
| 23:10.37 | joe_bleau | It's not running an open bios. |
| 23:11.21 | CosmicPenguin | got 10 minutes? :) |
| 23:11.33 | CosmicPenguin | of course, that would kill the pxe |
| 23:11.38 | joe_bleau | Will my video still work when it's done? |
| 23:12.07 | CosmicPenguin | Yes |
| 23:12.12 | joe_bleau | (As I understand it, pcengines went with the award bios because of the video) |
| 23:12.22 | CosmicPenguin | we don't need no stikin' vga |
| 23:12.32 | CosmicPenguin | go native, baby |
| 23:12.47 | joe_bleau | Don't need it to boot and install, but I'll need it for the final application. |
| 23:13.05 | CosmicPenguin | are you running DOS? |
| 23:13.32 | joe_bleau | I have a dos floppy setup to PXE boot, and a small freedos bootable CF card formatted in FAT. |
| 23:13.46 | CosmicPenguin | oh - okay |
| 23:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | if you are doing DOS then a open BIOS is right out |
| 23:14.14 | joe_bleau | Wait, I meant that I *can* run dos, if needed. |
| 23:14.36 | joe_bleau | If I can't get a working linux on the board, then yeah, I'll punt and run dos. |
| 23:15.02 | joe_bleau | My final app won't be as pretty, but I think I can get by, as a last resort. |
| 23:15.05 | CosmicPenguin | Let me try out the debian really quickly - see if I can identify whats happening |
| 23:15.18 | joe_bleau | You have an ALIX handy? |
| 23:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | no, I'll try it on my development board |
| 23:16.04 | joe_bleau | 'ppreciate it. |
| 23:17.42 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - I hope |
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| 23:24.39 | joe_bleau | No really, I do appreciate the help. I do have other options if this fails, so it's not do or die. |
| 23:35.14 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - it came up |
| 23:35.50 | joe_bleau | Well, maybe it's just me. |
| 23:36.01 | joe_bleau | Didya have to pass any options to the installer? |
| 23:36.02 | CosmicPenguin | it does do some vesa silliness |
| 23:36.12 | CosmicPenguin | you do see the splash screen on pxelinux? |
| 23:36.27 | joe_bleau | The debian etch thing at the very beginning. |
| 23:36.37 | joe_bleau | Then I can hit the function keys to view the help screens. |
| 23:37.07 | joe_bleau | With some install options, it would change video modes, as the LCD would auto-adjust. |
| 23:37.28 | CosmicPenguin | and whats the last thing you see? |
| 23:37.42 | joe_bleau | Black screen if it changes video modes. |
| 23:37.49 | joe_bleau | "Ready" if it stays in text mode. |
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| 23:40.13 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - okay |
| 23:40.31 | CosmicPenguin | well, I would make sure you are doing i386, of course |
| 23:40.34 | joe_bleau | I didn't see any example output in the docs, so I didn't really know what to expect. |
| 23:40.39 | joe_bleau | Gotcha, agreed. |
| 23:40.46 | CosmicPenguin | and then check that the kernel and initrd.gz aren't corrupted on your pxe server |
| 23:40.49 | joe_bleau | Got a link to the pxe tarball you used? |
| 23:41.30 | CosmicPenguin | I compiled up etherboot-5.4.4 really quickly |
| 23:41.52 | CosmicPenguin | My standard Linux image for Geode uses syslinux, so I just dropped it in there quickly |
| 23:41.59 | joe_bleau | Oh, I meant which debian netinst tarball |
| 23:42.05 | CosmicPenguin | the one you linked |
| 23:42.07 | joe_bleau | The one with kernel and initrd |
| 23:42.09 | joe_bleau | Oh, ok. |
| 23:42.14 | CosmicPenguin | wgetted that url directly |
| 23:42.33 | joe_bleau | Does it do a CRC check on the kernel or initrd after loading it? |
| 23:42.55 | CosmicPenguin | no, I don't think so |
| 23:43.12 | CosmicPenguin | tftp checksums itself packet by packet |
| 23:43.18 | CosmicPenguin | but if its corrupted on the source, then tftp won't help |
| 23:43.48 | joe_bleau | Right. On *my* hardware, firmware contains a CRC to detect some corruption. |
| 23:43.57 | CosmicPenguin | That could be |
| 23:43.59 | joe_bleau | Anyway, I really do appreciate your help on this. |
| 23:44.03 | joe_bleau | I'll check it out tomorrow. |
| 23:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | no problem - I have a very vested interest in making sure this stuff works |
| 23:45.23 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - pxe is too useful - I really should be building it into my usual images |