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| 14:53.27 | prpplague | cbrake: hey bud |
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| 14:53.35 | prpplague | cbrake: what's cookin these days |
| 14:53.37 | prpplague | cbrake: ? |
| 14:53.46 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings earthling |
| 14:54.07 | cbrake | prpplague: Hey Dave |
| 14:54.45 | cbrake | prpplague: pretty much same old -- finally had time to sort libertas + 8686 + wpa_supplicant |
| 14:54.57 | prpplague | cbrake: oh do tell |
| 14:55.09 | cbrake | prpplague: mostly just ingnorance on my part, and config issues |
| 14:55.25 | prpplague | oh? |
| 14:55.39 | prpplague | you using a stop wpa_supplicant? if so what version? |
| 14:57.05 | cbrake | prpplague: we are currently using 0.5.5 |
| 14:57.13 | cbrake | prpplague: what is "stop"? |
| 14:57.37 | prpplague | sorry typo, not enough coffee yet this morning s/stop/stock |
| 14:57.45 | cbrake | prpplague: ahh, yes stock version |
| 14:58.06 | prpplague | ahh good deal |
| 14:58.14 | prpplague | cbrake: which kernel version? |
| 14:58.16 | cbrake | prpplague: looking to move to 0.6.x to get dbus interface for programatic control |
| 14:58.18 | cbrake | prpplague: 2.6.27 |
| 14:58.32 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh, i'm currently using 2.6.25 |
| 14:59.02 | prpplague | there were a bunch changes to the s3c24xx stuff between 2.6.25 and 2.6.27, so i'm a little hesistant to move up at the momment |
| 14:59.16 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, lots of stuff changing |
| 15:00.08 | cbrake | prpplague: what's new with you? |
| 15:00.45 | prpplague | cbrake: ssdd, just trying to finish up this M8050 handheld, and kinda keeping an eye out for a new job in the DFW area |
| 15:01.07 | kergoth | hey guys |
| 15:01.48 | prpplague | cbrake: hey, i've had minor problems with a kernel oops if i try to do a ifconfig eth0 down while the libertas is connected to an ap |
| 15:01.54 | prpplague | cbrake: you had any problems like that? |
| 15:02.23 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, I have seen some problems where if we are connected to one AP, and try to connect to another I get command timeouts, etc. |
| 15:02.51 | cbrake | prpplague: Jeff S came up with a crude hack that improved things some, but we have not had time to debug beyond that. |
| 15:02.58 | cbrake | prpplague: let me see if I can find it ... |
| 15:03.26 | prpplague | cbrake: tell ol' jeff i said hello, haven't chatted with him in ages |
| 15:03.36 | cbrake | prpplague: will do |
| 15:04.07 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 15:04.14 | prpplague | g1powermac: greetings |
| 15:04.25 | g1powermac | hows it going? |
| 15:04.58 | prpplague | g1powermac: like meat byproductions into a grinder for hot dogs |
| 15:05.18 | g1powermac | hmm, funness |
| 15:05.52 | g1powermac | my nerves are shot |
| 15:05.57 | g1powermac | surgery is tomorrow morning at 6am |
| 15:06.08 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'm just a mushroom, they keep me in the dark and feed me @#$@! |
| 15:06.13 | prpplague | g1powermac: OH |
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| 15:06.19 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'd be nervous too |
| 15:07.38 | cbrake | prpplague: libertas patch: http://pastebin.ca/1244934 |
| 15:08.11 | g1powermac | yea, I've never been under anaesthesia before, so the whole thing is messing with my mind |
| 15:09.25 | prpplague | looks |
| 15:10.57 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh so instead of calling BUG_ON() , it just produces a warning |
| 15:13.04 | prpplague | cbrake: which firmware version are you using |
| 15:13.06 | prpplague | cbrake: ? |
| 15:13.54 | cbrake | prpplague: 9.70.3p25 |
| 15:14.35 | prpplague | ahh dandy |
| 15:14.47 | prpplague | i'm still using 8.73.7 |
| 15:15.02 | prpplague | wonders if there will be wpa issues |
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| 15:17.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
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| 15:45.26 | prpplague | jeeze, i'm guessing linkedin has sold my info to some people, i'm getting calls from market survey people now |
| 15:47.50 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ouch |
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| 17:06.36 | prpplague | Mirell: talked to landley lately? |
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| 17:36.46 | prpplague | really has no tolerance for people who try to use the CFB as a symbol of racism |
| 17:37.03 | CosmicPenguin | CGA frame buffer? |
| 17:37.29 | prpplague | Confederate Battle Flag |
| 17:37.56 | CosmicPenguin | The CGA frambuffer only had 16 colors |
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| 17:39.07 | CosmicPenguin | Everybody make sure you go get your free stuff today |
| 17:39.16 | HcE | oh oh oh |
| 17:39.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 17:39.27 | CosmicPenguin | Free Starbucks coffee, free Ben and Jerry |
| 17:39.28 | CosmicPenguin | s |
| 17:39.30 | kergoth | i presume he's talking about the stuff for voters |
| 17:39.35 | HcE | oh |
| 17:39.35 | kergoth | there's free at chik-fil-a too |
| 17:39.38 | CosmicPenguin | But its better - |
| 17:39.39 | kergoth | somethingorother |
| 17:39.41 | HcE | is norwegian :( |
| 17:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | apparently, according to at least Georgia law... you can't give a gift in exchange for voting |
| 17:39.54 | CosmicPenguin | So its a free-for-all now |
| 17:39.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: free stuff for people who vote? |
| 17:40.06 | CosmicPenguin | http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/11/04/vote-and-get-free-coffee-donuts-and-a-felony/ |
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| 17:40.34 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:40.36 | prpplague | funny |
| 17:40.45 | kergoth | prpplague: http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2008/11/04/election-day-freebies-abound-for-voters-starbucks-krispy-kreme/ |
| 17:40.50 | kergoth | that's a pretty good list |
| 17:40.52 | prpplague | cute |
| 17:41.07 | prpplague | is not voting this year |
| 17:42.04 | kergoth | I've lost.. or perhaps I've never had, any confidence in politicians or government.. i figure life will suck regardless of which gets elected, so I'm not bothering |
| 17:42.25 | prpplague | same here |
| 17:42.38 | prpplague | first time since i could vote that i have not voted |
| 17:42.52 | kergoth | i was tempted to vote just to vote on the proposition on gay marraige though |
| 17:42.57 | kergoth | 's never voted, not registered |
| 17:43.06 | kergoth | sad is that is |
| 17:43.11 | kergoth | consdiering that I'm 28 |
| 17:44.51 | CosmicPenguin | You people need to get out there and rock the vote, man |
| 17:44.56 | CosmicPenguin | at least vote on admendments or something |
| 17:45.29 | prpplague | kergoth: i got a sample ballot for my area, and their wasn't a single person on the ballot that i had even the slightest confidence in |
| 17:45.36 | kergoth | yeah, that's true, there are things worth voting on, if not the politicians |
| 17:45.41 | kergoth | prpplague: :( |
| 17:46.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing on the ballot that i care about one way or another |
| 17:46.28 | prpplague | atleast in my area |
| 17:46.37 | CosmicPenguin | Colorado allows the public to put measures on the ballot |
| 17:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | always fun stuff to vote for |
| 17:48.00 | prpplague | is completely disenfranchised with the current state of government in the US |
| 17:49.50 | kergoth | http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/index/~3/441522277/michigan-electi.html |
| 17:49.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: isn't that a normal attitude for a Texan? :) |
| 17:51.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, not really |
| 17:51.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only in the last 2-5 years |
| 17:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | Texans have more state pride then any other gropu of people |
| 17:52.44 | prpplague | yes that is true |
| 17:54.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: our state constitution was written as to promote government positions as not a job, hence there are very strong restrictions on the amount time and money can be allocated for the positions |
| 17:55.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so as to try and keep the incentive of become a career politician down as low as possible |
| 17:59.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/03/racists_for_obama/index.html |
| 18:00.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this person seems to completely equate the CBF to being a racist |
| 18:00.21 | ds2 | morning |
| 18:01.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: despite the fact that something like 92% of the member of Sons of the Confederacy are democrates |
| 18:03.04 | CosmicPenguin | The definition of a democrat has changed through the years |
| 18:03.14 | CosmicPenguin | As has the definition of a republican |
| 18:03.20 | prpplague | indeed it has |
| 18:03.33 | CosmicPenguin | there are many people in the West who are true conservatives who continue to follow the Republican party though it has completely abandoned everything they stand for |
| 18:03.54 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:04.14 | CosmicPenguin | but oh, well - thats politics |
| 18:04.35 | prpplague | my main complant with that article is the fact that they treat the CBF as a symbol of racism and assume the person flying is a racist |
| 18:04.57 | CosmicPenguin | First impressions suck |
| 18:05.36 | CosmicPenguin | Only one person can ruin something for everybody else - the first kid to climb the fence in the playground ruins it for everybody |
| 18:07.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh, and i just checked, the 92% value comes from a poll done in march of this year, so i don't the idea of what a democrat is changed much since march |
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| 18:08.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but they stick with the democratic party out of loyalty |
| 18:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | their father and their father's father and their fathers fathers father was a democract |
| 18:09.52 | CosmicPenguin | Is the party of Obama the party of.. Wilson? |
| 18:10.00 | CosmicPenguin | I say no |
| 18:11.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok i can see your point, however, i don't know anyone in the Sons of the Confederacy that would even in the slightlest be described as uneducated or racist, to really classify historians as such is just wrong |
| 18:12.19 | CosmicPenguin | Classifying any group as uneducated or racist is wrong |
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| 18:14.56 | prpplague | BitSlop_: greetings |
| 18:16.52 | prpplague | BitSlop__: greetings |
| 18:16.54 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: howdy |
| 18:17.35 | prpplague | BitSlop__: nice looking business you got there |
| 18:17.58 | prpplague | BitSlop__: i've used some of acrosser stuff ages ago |
| 18:18.31 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: thanks |
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| 18:19.05 | prpplague | BitSlop__: what brings you to #edev? |
| 18:19.09 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: Acrosser has some nice x86 based stuff |
| 18:20.27 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: mainly lurking. I put together some oe linux distros for our custom boards, and I find a lot of my google searches lands me in irc logs. I used to frequent irc long ago - I thought it'd be a good idea to start again |
| 18:20.51 | prpplague | BitSlop__: ahh indeed |
| 18:24.55 | prpplague | BitSlop__: looks like you have done some QNX work |
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| 18:25.09 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: Many moons ago.. |
| 18:25.46 | prpplague | BitSlop__: ahh, i've always wondered what the QNX environment was like, i see occasionally job postings where they want linux and qnx experience |
| 18:26.09 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: Right now, I tend to favor Linux and FreeRTOS (FreeRTOS on lightweight arm) |
| 18:26.41 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:27.00 | BitSlop__ | prpplague: From a programming perspective, QNX was very POSIX like from my recollection |
| 18:27.22 | kergoth | s/programming/userland/, probably |
| 18:27.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:27.51 | kergoth | can any of you get to developer.berlios.de in a browser? |
| 18:28.23 | prpplague | tries |
| 18:28.24 | BitSlop__ | kergoth: I cannot |
| 18:28.32 | kergoth | okay, thanks, guess they're down |
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| 18:28.42 | prpplague | kergoth: negative |
| 18:39.26 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:39.37 | prpplague | has more work that he can do in 3 lifetimes |
| 18:39.41 | prpplague | s/that/than |
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| 18:42.37 | ds2 | so you should then make building a transportor to clone yourself the top priority ;) |
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| 18:45.47 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: hmm, I need something like that to remove my gallbladder painlessly :-) |
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| 18:47.04 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: it needs to come out? wasn't just stones? |
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| 19:24.10 | ds2 | are there any low volume friendly makers of RAMDACs or just video grade DACs (100MHz max speed is sufficient) |
| 19:26.43 | MothaWork | ds2: TI |
| 19:27.10 | MothaWork | possibly also ADI, but you'll be limited to buying through Digi-Key, most likely |
| 19:27.22 | ds2 | MothaWork: what product group? I can't seem to find video DACs...they have instrument DACs listen (high bits) |
| 19:27.55 | ds2 | ADI doesn't have them in "friendly packages" :( |
| 19:28.36 | MothaWork | QFP isn't "friendly"? |
| 19:28.58 | MothaWork | and do you want 4:2:2 or 4:2:2 input style? |
| 19:29.02 | ds2 | QFP? the ones I saw were leadless |
| 19:29.04 | MothaWork | er 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 |
| 19:29.26 | ds2 | all I want is a 8bit parallel DAC that can take updates at up to 100MHz |
| 19:29.34 | MothaWork | triple or single? |
| 19:29.41 | ds2 | 3 of them in a single package would be highly desireable butnot needed |
| 19:29.49 | MothaWork | ok, they are common that way |
| 19:30.08 | MothaWork | let me see if I can find the part I'm thinking of. If not, remind me tonight because I have some printed datasheets laying around at home |
| 19:30.15 | ds2 | assuming I can find a suitable source; like i said, ADI comes close but the ones I saw were leadless |
| 19:30.23 | ds2 | okay, thanks... |
| 19:30.52 | MothaWork | http://focus.ti.com/paramsearch/docs/parametricsearch.tsp?family=analog&familyId=612&uiTemplateId=NODE_STRY_PGE_T¶mCriteria=no |
| 19:31.01 | MothaWork | there's some TI possibilities. Look for 4:4:4 input format |
| 19:31.25 | ds2 | what's 4:4:4 mean? |
| 19:31.28 | MothaWork | 4:2:2 is the YCbCr with Cb/Cr time-multiplexed at half the sample rate of the Y line, which is not what you want |
| 19:31.35 | MothaWork | 4:4:4 is all three channels sampled at the same rate |
| 19:32.10 | MothaWork | 4:2:2 is a two-channel wide interface where you always clock Y in on one channel, but the other channel alternates between Cb and Cr. It works fine for the YCbCr colorspace, but RGB will look terrible that way |
| 19:32.14 | ds2 | hmmm I don't think I found this by going through their DAC selection |
| 19:32.16 | MothaWork | 4:4:4 is all three channels wide |
| 19:32.23 | MothaWork | ds2: that's their "Video DAC" selection |
| 19:32.28 | MothaWork | though I know they have some others not listed in that table |
| 19:33.39 | MothaWork | ADI mostly has "encoders" which will do colorspace conversions and NTSC/PAL modulation for you |
| 19:33.43 | MothaWork | handy if you need it, but it sounds like you don't |
| 19:34.17 | ds2 | don't think that will work for me |
| 19:34.26 | ds2 | I am trying the LCD to VGA hack |
| 19:34.43 | ds2 | and the simpliest is 3 fast DACs that look like 3 latches |
| 19:34.54 | MothaWork | ah, yes |
| 19:35.23 | MothaWork | THS8135 should work |
| 19:35.45 | MothaWork | that'll even do SOG if you want it to |
| 19:36.37 | ds2 | yes it does; a bit overly feature laden |
| 19:37.05 | MothaWork | yeah, it also supports 4:2:2, which you don't need |
| 19:37.10 | MothaWork | just strap all those options "off" |
| 19:37.29 | ds2 | and the 48 pin package isn't my preference.... I would prefer a PLCC or something a bit less dense |
| 19:37.44 | MothaWork | you're not going to find something like this in anything like that |
| 19:37.59 | MothaWork | at least not in an "active" product from a US supplier |
| 19:38.11 | ds2 | what about finding a single channel SOIC package version? |
| 19:38.15 | MothaWork | exposed pad QFP is by far the most common package I see this in |
| 19:38.29 | MothaWork | I don't think I've seen any at this speed in SOIC, but they may exist |
| 19:38.30 | ds2 | trying to avoid doing the fab spin run around |
| 19:39.40 | MothaWork | I just panelize the hell out of a $33/ea panel at 4pcb |
| 19:40.23 | MothaWork | you can easily get 5-10 small designs on one of those panels (heck, 15-20 is possible if your designs are really small), and it's $33x4 (4 boards + 1 free for a total of 5) + $50 panelized fee + $10 handling + shipping |
| 19:40.41 | MothaWork | 1 wk turn, 6/6, and they fix things if they turn out wrong, even if you don't order etest |
| 19:41.10 | MothaWork | so basically $180 for nearly 100 boards if you have lots of small designs (you cut apart, though). Not a bad deal at all |
| 19:41.20 | ds2 | that is still $$ |
| 19:41.38 | MothaWork | true, but I find it well worth the hassle |
| 19:42.01 | ds2 | problem is respins is another $180 and I really just need 1 board to test with |
| 19:42.02 | MothaWork | etching PCBs is a pain in the ass (and then you get no soldermask and no PTH holes), and point to point wiring is really time consuming |
| 19:42.08 | MothaWork | so get it right the first time :) |
| 19:42.21 | ds2 | for this purpose SFE is the only viable solution given my budget |
| 19:42.24 | MothaWork | I've never had a board come back that was totally unusable. Patch wires certainly, but never totally unusable |
| 19:42.34 | ds2 | uh.... at 100MHz... |
| 19:42.40 | MothaWork | yes, even at high speeds |
| 19:42.44 | ds2 | this is analog voodoo |
| 19:42.55 | MothaWork | if you're careful, 100MHz isn't actually that fast |
| 19:43.07 | MothaWork | just take your time with the layout of the analog stuff |
| 19:43.24 | ds2 | the fastest analog stuff I have done is measured in KHz :/ |
| 19:43.34 | MothaWork | you might have some regrets, but do you really care that much on a one-off if there's a little ghosting on really sharp edges? |
| 19:43.44 | ds2 | true |
| 19:44.00 | ds2 | in reality, I'll probally be happy if it works well at 25MHz (640x480@60Hz) |
| 19:44.04 | MothaWork | you'll probably have some of that on a hand-etched board anyway. Tolerances are way bigger than 6/6 :) |
| 19:44.23 | ds2 | hand etched is out of the question |
| 19:44.26 | MothaWork | heck, i fyou want you can go all out and do a 4 layer with real inside ground/power planes. That's $66/ea |
| 19:44.38 | MothaWork | that does get pricey for hobbyist purposes, though |
| 19:44.49 | ds2 | if I do it myself, it'll be machined traces, not etched |
| 19:45.04 | MothaWork | you have the equipment to do that? |
| 19:45.07 | ds2 | yep |
| 19:45.13 | MothaWork | ah, see, I don't |
| 19:45.16 | MothaWork | so I have to etch them |
| 19:45.35 | ds2 | *nod* but i never had good luck with etching |
| 19:45.49 | ds2 | lots of browned stained stuff and undercutting |
| 19:47.09 | MothaWork | yes, it's by no means perfect |
| 19:47.33 | MothaWork | I just can't justify the cost of the machining stuff when I can get full spec boards for $33/ea |
| 19:47.50 | MothaWork | that's plated through holes, soldermask/silk both sides, 6/6, 15mil holes |
| 19:48.03 | ds2 | if I had a real budget for it, I'd go with that option |
| 19:48.18 | MothaWork | so if I need more than what I can do with an etched board or am willing to point-to-point wire, I just dump the design on a panel and wait till the panel is full |
| 19:48.53 | ds2 | I'd do point to point wiring if it wasn't for the 100MHz part |
| 19:50.56 | MothaWork | yeah, that's not likely to end well |
| 19:50.59 | MothaWork | and it would take forever |
| 19:51.38 | MothaWork | the digital side can be surprisingly forgiving at 100MHz, but the analog side not so much |
| 19:53.17 | ds2 | *nod* not too worried about digital |
| 19:53.42 | MothaWork | big thing is to watch overshoot/undershoot on latch/clock lines. You can get some strange double-clocking effects if that gets too severe |
| 19:54.55 | ds2 | but that's more to do with lines being too long and it acting like a transmission line |
| 19:55.31 | MothaWork | yes, but if the long lines are unavoidable, it's harder to control the transmission line effects with point-to-point wired setups than with a tight-tolerance PCB |
| 19:55.47 | MothaWork | with a tight-tolerance PCB, you can control the impedance of the lines fairly well and just match each end |
| 19:56.08 | ds2 | yep |
| 19:56.08 | MothaWork | also makes it easier to control loop area, which can help with noise margins and EMI |
| 19:57.02 | ds2 | I still remember this lab with transmission lines back in school (pulse generator + scope + a long coil of coax); that drove these ideas in |
| 19:57.16 | ds2 | bbl... lunch |
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| 20:37.26 | prpplague | cbrake: ping |
| 20:50.44 | cbrake | prpplague: hello |
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| 21:47.17 | prpplague | solar: ping |
| 21:47.25 | prpplague | cbrake: nm, i answered my own question |
| 22:05.50 | solar | prpplague: pong |
| 22:06.20 | prpplague | solar: just checking in on the 8050 stuff, whats the word? |
| 22:07.20 | prpplague | solar: i found a big bug in the libertas 2.6.25 driver, so i'm going to move the kernel up to 2.6.27.4 |
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| 22:22.33 | solar | prpplague: ok. So where we left off yesterday was me saying I needed the apex jazz from you. But I found it stored in a file. UL is getting pretty good right now. |
| 22:24.34 | solar | prpplague: but looking over my notes. It said wifi must be modular. |
| 22:25.10 | prpplague | yep |
| 22:26.46 | solar | and I assume this still holds true? for the new kernel that I assume you will be uploading? http://rafb.net/p/AjSvFK42.html |
| 22:29.26 | prpplague | solar: yep |
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| 22:43.08 | prpplague | points to beewoolie as the original author of apex |
| 22:43.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:45.13 | ds2 | prpplague: how goes the preparations for when Linux goes away at your current place? |
| 22:45.44 | prpplague | ds2: still kind of up in the air |
| 22:45.58 | ds2 | prpplague: the going away part or your preparations? |
| 22:46.01 | prpplague | ds2: right now it is just a vague foreshadow |
| 22:46.15 | prpplague | ds2: the going away of linux |
| 22:46.46 | prpplague | ds2: unless we can find a good market for the M8050 in the linux ISV market, it is pretty assured to go wince |
| 22:47.16 | prpplague | ds2: problem is, neither the sales nor the marketing department people are linux friendly |
| 22:47.39 | ds2 | prpplague: aren't disposing of them cheaper then replacing good engineers? |
| 22:47.46 | prpplague | ds2: so right now, all they are doing is making the linux devrs mad |
| 22:48.00 | prpplague | ds2: you'd think that |
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| 22:49.04 | prpplague | ds2: we have 3 major customers looking at using the M8050, but i'd really like to get something together for small linux devrs to want to use it |
| 22:49.06 | beewoolie | prpplague, may I humbly suggest that the BeagleBoard avenue is attractive? |
| 22:49.18 | prpplague | beewoolie: in what way? |
| 22:49.38 | ds2 | prpplague: the M8050 is bar/pattern scanning only? |
| 22:50.05 | prpplague | ds2: primarily, but we have an imager option |
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| 22:50.16 | beewoolie | prpplague, I admit that I don't know the issues with the M8050. |
| 22:50.16 | prpplague | ds2: has mag stripe reader as well |
| 22:50.29 | beewoolie | prpplague, If the platform is open, then developers will use it. |
| 22:50.29 | ds2 | prpplague: will that do all 3 tracks? |
| 22:51.00 | prpplague | beewoolie: no real issues other than marketing/sales doesn't know how to approach and speak to OSS/linux people |
| 22:51.01 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 22:51.25 | ds2 | that's nice... donno of many mag strip readers that'll do all 3 tracks |
| 22:51.32 | beewoolie | prpplague, Are you trying to attract OS developers to use the device? |
| 22:51.34 | ds2 | prpplague: is it hardware decode or software decode? |
| 22:52.06 | prpplague | beewoolie: mainly application developers, but we are open to anyone |
| 22:52.29 | prpplague | ds2: software, we have a pretty good algo that was written about 8 years ago, that we are open sourcing |
| 22:52.40 | beewoolie | prpplague, So, I'm guessing that you handle the Linux support and the company wants to abandon it. |
| 22:53.45 | ds2 | prpplague: I can't imagine it is too hard... I wrote one for the HC11 back in school; my problem was finding a head setup to let me get to anything but track 2 |
| 22:54.17 | prpplague | beewoolie: yea, the linux kernel support is pretty robust, solar is doing some gui work for us |
| 22:54.39 | prpplague | ds2: well there are alot of corner cases that have to be considered |
| 22:54.54 | beewoolie | prpplague, You're a corner case. |
| 22:55.05 | prpplague | ds2: card swipe backwards, false starts, damaged reads |
| 22:55.07 | prpplague | beewoolie: indeed |
| 22:55.52 | prpplague | ds2: 100% of the software on all of handhelds is open source, and we can even provide schematics on request |
| 22:55.55 | ds2 | prpplague: IIRC, backwards isn't too hard t do... the reference I used (issue of phreak) discussed that...damage is the interesting case |
| 22:56.15 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 22:56.34 | ds2 | prpplague: are there any good references for the track readers? |
| 22:56.46 | prpplague | ds2: like i said, this algo was originally designed to fit into an atmega32, so it is very tight and very efficient |
| 22:57.13 | prpplague | yea there are a few that i tracked down |
| 22:57.59 | prpplague | ds2: magtek posts some really good reference docs on their website |
| 22:58.33 | ds2 | I see. don't need them, just curious if information is more available now then when I was working on it |
| 22:58.56 | prpplague | ds2: yea, it is there, just gotta dig |
| 23:00.06 | prpplague | beewoolie: yea, my main thing is i need to connect up with some developers and get them using the 8050, i'm gonna arrange for a bunch of the pre-production units to go out to some folks |
| 23:01.01 | prpplague | beewoolie: the big item of the 8050 is the battery, its 5800mAh, which allows to the 8050 to run for about 15 hours with full 802.11 operations |
| 23:02.19 | MonMotha | that's a big battery |
| 23:02.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: with a 7200mAh extended battery optional |
| 23:05.46 | MonMotha | jeesh |
| 23:07.11 | prpplague | <beewoolie> prpplague, may I humbly suggest that the BeagleBoard avenue is attractive? |
| 23:07.25 | prpplague | beewoolie: what aspect of the beagle were you suggesting? |
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