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| 00:01.17 | davidc__ | ds2: erm, why d'you need a full computer in a kayak :P |
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| 00:13.10 | ds2 | why not? |
| 00:13.11 | ds2 | :) |
| 00:14.06 | prpplague | ds2: why not what? |
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| 00:20.50 | ds2 | <davidc__> ds2: erm, why d'you need a full computer in a kayak :P |
| 00:24.23 | JohnnyL | ha! |
| 00:24.32 | prpplague | funny |
| 00:25.10 | prpplague | CP|home: seriously though, we are almost done with our RoHS certification, so i'll be able to send some more units out |
| 00:26.36 | prpplague | wonders where chouimat has been |
| 00:28.51 | CP|home | prpplague: I won't say no - I'll be happy to hack if I can |
| 00:28.59 | CP|home | at least, I can complain... |
| 00:30.04 | JohnnyL | RoHS? |
| 00:30.16 | sunrunner20 | reduced output of hazardus substances |
| 00:30.25 | sunrunner20 | more or less |
| 00:30.27 | sunrunner20 | no lead |
| 00:33.52 | JohnnyL | osha stuff? |
| 00:34.02 | JohnnyL | created an OSHA Training Manager in the 1990's. |
| 00:34.11 | prpplague | JohnnyL: mostly for shipping to the EU |
| 00:34.17 | prpplague | JohnnyL: and california |
| 00:37.33 | JohnnyL | prpplague there was one substance I read on the side of a bottle of multivitimans, and I look on the internet and find that its normally found on floors of warehouses or something? weird stuff. |
| 00:39.37 | ds2 | has CA gone rohs? |
| 00:41.04 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i think anything with over a 1.2" lcd has to be 100% rohs |
| 00:42.38 | ds2 | @2S$%#$#$#@A$^#%@#$@# |
| 00:43.02 | ds2 | so anything > 1.2" is going to be unreliable |
| 00:44.52 | prpplague | ds2: well atleast for the next 2 years iirc, after that everything sold in california has to be rohs |
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| 00:53.16 | prpplague | kergoth: hey bud |
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| 01:06.50 | prpplague | anyone remember the annoucement of a video game for learning electronics recently |
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| 01:22.35 | MonMotha | ds2: yes, I don't think that RoHS and it's ilk are well thought out |
| 01:23.07 | MonMotha | I applaud their efforts, especially to cut down on the really nasty stuff like the antimony, bromine and cadmium, but the outright ban on lead I think is a bit premature |
| 01:23.12 | MonMotha | the lead-free solders do still have issues |
| 01:23.50 | MonMotha | and some have suggested that the fluxes required to do Pb-free assembly create an environment more hazardous for the assembly people than all the old lead based stuff ever did, though the end consumer isn't exposed to those |
| 01:26.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea lots of times just like CFL's people don't think through cause-effect relationship between items |
| 01:27.56 | MonMotha | CFLs are fine if you can be bothered to dispose of them properly |
| 01:28.07 | MonMotha | and even then, it's not like there's a huge amount of mercury in them |
| 01:28.16 | MonMotha | just enough that you don't really want to just throw it away |
| 01:28.47 | MonMotha | much like normal fluorescents that we've had for years, really |
| 01:31.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i just mean that its always about trading one issue for another |
| 01:32.13 | MonMotha | true |
| 01:32.33 | MonMotha | the military/aerospace guys are going nuts over the whole RoHS thing, though |
| 01:32.45 | MonMotha | as a result of it, it's next to impossible to buy lead-finished ICs anymore |
| 01:33.02 | MonMotha | and since the Pb-free stuff grows whiskers, they don't want the Pb-free |
| 01:33.21 | MonMotha | I've heard of people having to send off their ICs to get the terminals replated |
| 01:34.01 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:34.22 | prpplague | plus the whole fact that radhard stuff is 1000 times more expensive now |
| 01:34.59 | prpplague | regular s3c2440 is about $12USD, radhard is about $144 |
| 01:35.54 | MonMotha | well, that's just purchase volume and yield speaking |
| 01:36.09 | MonMotha | I think aerospace usage of newish parts has slowed |
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| 02:51.43 | JohnnyL | prpplague uh, that's only 10 times more expensive. |
| 02:52.27 | JohnnyL | or specifically 12. |
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| 14:23.38 | GPSFan | T0mW: hey, how goes the house renovation?? |
| 14:39.17 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:39.32 | prpplague | another day, another pile of @#$^ |
| 14:39.39 | T0mW | GPSFan: slowly :( Sometimes I can get frustrated when I look at all that still needs to be done. But, little by little, I see progress. |
| 14:40.09 | prpplague | T0mW: with all the house stuff going on, are you getting any $$ flowing in? |
| 14:40.48 | T0mW | GPSFan: My workshop is almost finished. I have a 30x46 inch closet that I'm filling with some 24" deep shelves. That will give me lots and lots of storage! |
| 14:41.41 | T0mW | prpplague: that is the problem, trying to get work done for customers and get things done in the house. I have to get the rest of my electronics stuff unpacked so I can proceed on some projects. To do this, I need the shelves finished. |
| 14:42.02 | prpplague | chicken or egg |
| 14:42.08 | T0mW | exactly |
| 14:42.11 | GPSFan | T0mW: "lots of storage" haha, it will fill up before you know it! btdt got the scars & tee shirt.. |
| 14:42.19 | T0mW | GPSFan: yes! |
| 14:43.29 | T0mW | GPSFan: but, with a bigger house, I have options. I do have another spare bedroom... or, I could move the master bedroom downstairs and make that 14x23 foot room the workshop? heh |
| 14:43.36 | prpplague | T0mW: cosmic got laid-off from AMD yesterday :( |
| 14:43.51 | prpplague | T0mW: AML finally fired the EE that was causing so much trouble |
| 14:43.54 | T0mW | sh!t |
| 14:44.04 | T0mW | prpplague: HA! |
| 14:44.32 | T0mW | prpplague: don't you just love it, you have to wonder what management is (not) thinking at times. |
| 14:45.04 | prpplague | T0mW: well the project is so @#$@#$ up now, that management is talking about killing the engineering department and outsourcing everything |
| 14:45.21 | T0mW | prpplague: most of my recent money has been from working on an old Z80 based system for a client. |
| 14:45.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: the news wires have the amd layoff today, seems to be company wide. I hope amd's remaining folks are real sharp, or they will need CP back in a hurry.... |
| 14:45.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: oh yea? what was the total number of people? |
| 14:46.12 | GPSFan | I read 500, but they were talking about Sunnyvale in the article. |
| 14:46.24 | T0mW | cannot find his mortgage coupons |
| 14:46.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats also something weird, i checked my linkedin page this morning, my profile had been view by about 20 people who seemed to have been working at the AMD location in Colorado with cosmic |
| 14:47.16 | GPSFan | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/AMD-cut-500-jobs/story.aspx?guid=%7BCAB7C865-CE6B-4210-AA1D-3A40E39B6510%7D |
| 14:47.25 | prpplague | ahh thanks |
| 14:47.26 | GPSFan | sorry for the long url.. |
| 14:47.30 | prpplague | np |
| 14:48.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: just a note, i'm looking to try and market the M8050 to open source developers, so if you know anyone that does commercial products, i.e. accounting/inventory , referals would be great!\ |
| 14:51.09 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'll keep an era open. Our local Krogers/King Super/City Market just replaced all their hand held inventory scanners, they used to have Symbol, now they have Fujtisu. with IBM cash registers. |
| 14:51.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea we were in the bidding for that, but the M8050 wasn't ready in time |
| 14:52.57 | GPSFan | the new scanners seem a bit awkward re. the old ones. The old Symbol ones were pistol grip... point & shoot, the new ones are PDA like but fatter. |
| 14:53.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i know the ones you are refering to |
| 14:53.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm trying to connect with more of the small software developers |
| 14:53.55 | GPSFan | IIRC they got the old symbol ones about 3-4 years ago. |
| 14:54.12 | GPSFan | Yeah I know, just idle chat... |
| 14:54.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'd like to find someone who could get the M8050 working with Quickbooks |
| 14:54.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, those were the 9000 series |
| 14:55.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: the M8000 series will be very similiar in formfactor and features as the old symbol 9000 series |
| 14:55.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: just alot cheaper |
| 14:55.26 | GPSFan | does quickbooks have an sdk for their cash register thingy that I see on sale in SamsClub, CostCo? |
| 14:56.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 14:56.33 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hmm |
| 14:56.43 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: we use quickbooks POS here |
| 14:56.46 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: hehe i figured you'd be interested |
| 14:56.50 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea i remember |
| 14:57.05 | g1powermac_PB | didn't know quickbooks had an sdk |
| 14:57.10 | GPSFan | I might know someone who might have an interest, I'll pass along the info and see if there is any interest. |
| 14:57.42 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I definitely would be interested in doing something like that |
| 14:57.47 | g1powermac_PB | hey GPSFan |
| 14:58.05 | GPSFan | g1powermac: howdy, you recovering? |
| 14:58.21 | g1powermac_PB | yup, the excess CO2 in me is a real pain |
| 14:58.51 | prpplague | http://developer.intuit.com/ |
| 14:59.12 | GPSFan | g1powermac: once you are mended you can shoot me a shipping label or 3 and I can getyou your MAC stuff. |
| 14:59.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: tnx.. |
| 14:59.33 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: oh yea, surely, sorry about not getting it to you sooner |
| 15:00.11 | prpplague | http://developer.intuit.com/technical_resources/default.aspx?id=1492 |
| 15:00.53 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, nice |
| 15:01.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: if you have someone that is interested, we;d provide a couple different units along with dev boards |
| 15:01.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: they have to be serious about doing it though |
| 15:01.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah I figured as much, it's just a matter of me asking and seeing if they have 1) interest, and 2) time. |
| 15:01.51 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I can definitely do some stuff, the parents have been wanting something like this for awhile |
| 15:02.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i'll keep it in mind, might see what it will take for you to get the sdk |
| 15:02.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: understood, no flakes alowed... ;>) |
| 15:02.41 | g1powermac_PB | the sdk looks to be free |
| 15:03.11 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: since you are familiar with QB, might try downloading it, and see whats there |
| 15:03.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: is there a wiki reference for the 8050? |
| 15:03.25 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 15:03.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: just a picture at the momment: http://www.elinux.org/M8050 |
| 15:03.42 | prpplague | i guess i can update it with some specs |
| 15:03.43 | GPSFan | thats ok. |
| 15:04.30 | GPSFan | you really need to change that screenshot, if you want attract linux dev's |
| 15:05.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea the ME only has some windowce screenshots for his solid works package |
| 15:05.24 | GPSFan | gimp is your friend |
| 15:05.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, just trouble getting the ME to re-render the image |
| 15:05.57 | prpplague | i should just take some photos of the unit |
| 15:06.10 | prpplague | puts that on the list |
| 15:06.54 | prpplague | i'll put up a finders fee for anyone that connects AML up with a developer who completes a project |
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| 15:07.33 | wmat | prpplague: why is so hard to finish projects there? |
| 15:07.50 | prpplague | wmat: you mean at AML? |
| 15:08.17 | wmat | yeah, I just read your last post ^^^^ |
| 15:09.02 | prpplague | wmat: i think you probably misunderstand the type of business AML does, we generally provide the platform, i.e. the hardware and OS, but don't provide any applications |
| 15:09.11 | g1powermac_PB | I wonder if the POS sdk will work with the older POS version we're using |
| 15:09.30 | prpplague | wmat: we generally sale to Independent Software Developers, who write applications |
| 15:09.30 | g1powermac_PB | ooo, yea it does |
| 15:09.36 | prpplague | wmat: then they sale our devices with their application |
| 15:10.00 | wmat | ah, I see |
| 15:10.15 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I'll check this out later this week when I'm feeling better |
| 15:10.27 | prpplague | wmat: what we want is more ISV's , specially ones who use linux and are comfortable with the OSS environment |
| 15:10.29 | g1powermac_PB | I'm currently on my powerbook so I can't play with the sdk yet |
| 15:10.32 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: okie dokie |
| 15:10.54 | g1powermac_PB | but this is nice, i never knew intuit had an sdk for the POS software |
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| 15:12.31 | g1powermac_PB | depending on how complicated the SDK is and how complicated it would be to integrate with your handheld, I could prolly bang out a simple inventory program in a could weeks of non stop coding |
| 15:13.01 | g1powermac_PB | then we can finally do store wide inventory that we should have done years ago |
| 15:13.46 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:13.54 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: probably provide both a M5900 and a M8050 to anyone that is serious about it |
| 15:13.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 15:13.58 | wmat | prpplague: I'm of no help, whenever I have an idea, someone else has already done it. |
| 15:14.39 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, trust me, there is so much to be done on the commercial end of linux apps |
| 15:14.41 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I'm definitely serious about it, though we only need one handheld, and I'll prolly just have enough time to do the simple inventory program |
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| 15:15.13 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea, just so you could test on both |
| 15:15.19 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, k |
| 15:15.25 | kergoth | morning |
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| 15:17.09 | prpplague | kergoth: greetings |
| 15:17.58 | g1powermac_PB | looks over the programmers guide for the sdk |
| 15:18.45 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: do those handhelds have wifi? |
| 15:19.34 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the 8050 has 802.11b/g and BT, the 5900 doesn't |
| 15:19.43 | g1powermac_PB | k |
| 15:19.50 | prpplague | wmat: http://www.onesystem.com/ |
| 15:19.54 | g1powermac_PB | wifi would be extremely useful |
| 15:20.00 | prpplague | wmat: i'd really like to get those guys using the 8050 |
| 15:20.28 | g1powermac_PB | it would be able to talk with the POS server system in real time then |
| 15:27.52 | g1powermac_PB | ugh, these CO2 bubbles are so annoying and painful |
| 15:28.04 | g1powermac_PB | the incisions hurt less than these bubbles |
| 15:30.57 | ds2 | arrrgg |
| 15:31.11 | ds2 | still stuck on EST |
| 15:31.31 | g1powermac_PB | ds2: heh, me too |
| 15:31.48 | ds2 | g1powermac_PB: aren't you always in EST? |
| 15:32.11 | g1powermac_PB | nope, we switch here |
| 15:32.22 | MothaWork | all of eastern now switches, sadly |
| 15:32.29 | MothaWork | at least in the USA |
| 15:32.51 | MothaWork | the only remaining sane state in the continental US wrt time is now Arizona |
| 15:32.54 | ds2 | well... I am EST -> PST + DT -> ST :( |
| 15:33.07 | g1powermac_PB | oh fun |
| 15:33.46 | CosmicPenguin | man, I need a cpu fan |
| 15:34.04 | ds2 | heh.. so do I |
| 15:34.15 | CosmicPenguin | My home office has degraded over the years |
| 15:34.16 | ds2 | I am cooling my Turion with an external USB fan :( |
| 15:34.22 | g1powermac_PB | stick a desk fan in the case ;-) |
| 15:34.34 | ds2 | not very convenient on a laptop :( |
| 15:34.55 | g1powermac_PB | wants to build a water cooling system for my powerbook |
| 15:35.23 | g1powermac_PB | since the powerbook is aluminum, it wouldn't be hard to conduct heat from the outside |
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| 15:48.27 | prpplague | anyone read/speak italian? |
| 15:48.32 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
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| 15:48.52 | CosmicPenguin | And I wasn't lying when I said I needed a cpu fan |
| 15:48.59 | CosmicPenguin | my system overheated while I was doing a git pull |
| 15:49.21 | ds2 | at least you were not using an Athlon XP ;) |
| 15:49.57 | prpplague | http://www.jabir.it/ |
| 15:50.11 | prpplague | i'm wondering what kind of PDA support they have |
| 15:52.20 | CosmicPenguin | All I can see is that they have Linux, Windows and Mac, and that it has been tried on the Asus eeepc |
| 15:52.46 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 15:52.53 | CosmicPenguin | There are some handhelds in the screen shots |
| 15:53.33 | CosmicPenguin | It is java based, so anything goes, I guess |
| 15:54.24 | prpplague | guess i can put them on the list, no telling if someone in sales can make contact or not |
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| 15:59.11 | kergoth | http://www.emn.fr/x-info/coccinelle/ looks interesting, if odd |
| 15:59.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:01.06 | prpplague | looks |
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| 16:02.12 | MothaWork | ds2: hey now, the Palominos do way better than the Thunderbirds. They just lock up rather than melting :) |
| 16:02.13 | prpplague | kergoth: yea that does look interesting |
| 16:02.35 | prpplague | kergoth: that describes our exact issue with alot of our products |
| 16:03.54 | ds2 | MothaWork: one needs some excitement and locking up isn't a good excuse to break out the extinguishers ;) |
| 16:04.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really surprised no one has commented on my patch for the input subsystem |
| 16:04.54 | prpplague | wonders if that is a good thing or a bad thing |
| 16:05.54 | MothaWork | ds2: but you specifically said AthlonXP. The Thunderbirds were not branded AthlonXP |
| 16:07.08 | CosmicPenguin | if nobody comments within a reasonable amount of time, ship it off to the lkml |
| 16:07.32 | prpplague | reasonable == 2 weeks ? |
| 16:08.12 | prpplague | samrobb: you ever do anything with your hammer kit? |
| 16:08.43 | samrobb | prpplague: Aside from the initial playing with it, unfortunately, no |
| 16:09.10 | samrobb | Had some thoughts, just didn't have the time... |
| 16:10.06 | kergoth | ooh, code_swarm supports git now |
| 16:10.07 | kergoth | sweet |
| 16:10.30 | ds2 | MothaWork: I have encountered some AthlonMPs (which I was told is identical in to the XPs except they were tested for MP use) with a nicely char'ed board |
| 16:13.32 | prpplague | samrobb: ahh |
| 16:13.36 | prpplague | samrobb: was just curious |
| 16:13.45 | prpplague | samrobb: what are you up to these days? |
| 16:14.02 | samrobb | prpplague: Back into startup mode :-/ |
| 16:14.18 | prpplague | samrobb: ahh |
| 16:14.21 | samrobb | prpplague: You know Walt Wimer, right? |
| 16:14.39 | prpplague | samrobb: yea, heard he got laid-off the other day |
| 16:15.21 | samrobb | prpplague: Yep. Bunch of other folks here in Pittsburgh, too, in case anyone has suggestions for them... |
| 16:15.31 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - for some reason it is taking my system forever to index Linux's git tree |
| 16:15.54 | prpplague | samrobb: qualcomm is still actively recruiting linux developers, with emphasis on kernel work |
| 16:16.07 | prpplague | samrobb: you get the axe too? |
| 16:16.33 | samrobb | prpplague: Nope - when we left TimeSys, Walt & I went separate ways |
| 16:16.42 | prpplague | samrobb: ahh |
| 16:16.57 | prpplague | samrobb: didn't know if you were one of the "bunch of other folks" |
| 16:17.29 | samrobb | prpplague: No, but I know a bunch of 'em. It's a surprisingly well-connected community here. |
| 16:17.44 | prpplague | samrobb: ahh |
| 16:17.50 | prpplague | points to CosmicPenguin |
| 16:18.00 | prpplague | samrobb: CosmicPenguin was laid-off yesterday from AMD |
| 16:18.31 | samrobb | prpplague: I heard - my condolences, CosmicPenguin |
| 16:18.32 | prpplague | samrobb: and i pretty much expect to be let go sometime middle of next year |
| 16:19.09 | samrobb | prpplague: Rough times all around |
| 16:19.15 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:19.34 | prpplague | gets his "Will Code For Food" sign ready |
| 16:19.57 | samrobb | prpplague: If anyone's looking in Pittsburgh, let me know, I can try to put you in touch with folks around here |
| 16:20.06 | CosmicPenguin | samrobb: thanks |
| 16:20.12 | prpplague | samrobb: will do |
| 16:20.35 | samrobb | prpplague: Though I suspect most people don't generally think, "Hey, I lost my job - let's move to Pittsburgh!" |
| 16:20.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:20.56 | samrobb | prpplague: If they're sober, I mean :-) |
| 16:21.03 | prpplague | HA |
| 16:21.44 | prpplague | samrobb: worse comes to worse for me and my family, we'll just pack our bags and go back to barbados, i can sell beer to tourists |
| 16:23.14 | prpplague | ds2: you using angstrom for the beagle? |
| 16:23.38 | samrobb | prpplague: Ooooh. I *liked* Barbados :-) Nice place, nice people. |
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| 16:24.22 | prpplague | samrobb: hehe |
| 16:24.45 | prpplague | samrobb: yea i like the barbadian people so much i married one |
| 16:25.06 | samrobb | prpplague: :-) |
| 16:31.17 | ds2 | prpplague: nope |
| 16:31.49 | ds2 | in some ways pittsburg is better then the west coast |
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| 16:35.40 | prpplague | isn't going to go after the jokes for that statement |
| 16:37.51 | beewoolie | ds2: if not angstrom, what are you using? |
| 16:38.00 | beewoolie | waves good morning |
| 16:39.19 | ds2 | beewoolie: I am not using an entire build system |
| 16:39.44 | ds2 | for kernel, I build it direct; for userspace, I manage each one as needed |
| 16:40.06 | beewoolie | ds2: are you building packages yourself? |
| 16:40.07 | ds2 | all in all, IMO, the east coast is nicer |
| 16:40.25 | ds2 | beewoolie: some of them yes. sometimes I use binaries if I am lazy |
| 16:40.28 | beewoolie | ds2: why the fight words? |
| 16:40.40 | ds2 | fight words? eh? |
| 16:40.59 | beewoolie | ds2: eastsieeeed wesieeeeed |
| 16:41.19 | ds2 | Oh that..heh... I'm from the midwest and sort of got marooned out here :) |
| 16:41.45 | beewoolie | I think we have some very long rope. Are you good with knots? |
| 16:42.11 | ds2 | heheh |
| 16:42.58 | beewoolie | ds2: back to userland...are you pulling binaries from Debian? Another source? |
| 16:43.28 | ds2 | beewoolie: whichever comes handy.. I've yanked stuff from .deb's and from angstrom images |
| 16:43.46 | beewoolie | ds2: good to know they're compatible. |
| 16:44.08 | beewoolie | It used to be a big deal, but it looks like EABI has come to roost. |
| 16:44.13 | ds2 | beewoolie: I am good with LD_* variables :) |
| 16:44.23 | beewoolie | heh |
| 16:44.40 | ds2 | COMPAT_OABI helps |
| 16:45.01 | beewoolie | The other bugaboo used to be float/soft-float. |
| 16:45.03 | ds2 | and I don't have a problem with libraries in odd ball locations like /usr/OE/lib |
| 16:45.51 | beewoolie | Are you using codesourcery's compiler? |
| 16:46.26 | ds2 | indirectly... I am using the armv7 MV stuff |
| 16:46.36 | ds2 | which is basically the CS stuff |
| 16:46.41 | beewoolie | MV MontaVista? |
| 16:47.03 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ping |
| 16:47.10 | ds2 | beewoolie: *nod* |
| 16:47.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pong |
| 16:47.15 | beewoolie | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 16:47.27 | beewoolie | ds2: hmm. |
| 16:47.41 | ds2 | the CS stuff works, I just happen to have the other one handy |
| 16:48.32 | ds2 | plus since I don't use a build harness/system like OE, I am used to typing the make CROSS_COMPILE....and armv7_vfp_le- is easier to remember then the name used for the CS releases |
| 16:48.42 | beewoolie | ds2: I haven't been completely successful with the CS compilers. I had a hard time getting one to build everything. I have a build system I developed for a client that builds the whole kit from source. |
| 16:50.05 | ds2 | beewoolie: I have heard of issues on the direct CS releases... but for now I am following the adage - never attribute to malice when mere incompetance.... |
| 16:51.26 | ds2 | beewoolie: I think it may be worthwhile to wait for more stuff to trickle back to stock GCC |
| 16:55.24 | MothaWork | ds2: but they weren't melted, were they? |
| 16:55.40 | MothaWork | some of the early MP boards didn't have all the thermal stuff on them, either, so that could explain some things, too |
| 16:56.30 | ds2 | MothaWork: true, but a big giant black spot destorying the upper 2 layer is a bit worse then just melting |
| 16:57.04 | MothaWork | well, it's certainly not good :) |
| 17:00.30 | ds2 | think most of those units are the ones with dead fans |
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| 17:34.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping |
| 17:34.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: pong |
| 17:34.19 | GPSFan | prpplague: http://imagebin.ca/view/bivmy0.html |
| 17:34.55 | mnemoc | GPSFan: no more wince? :p |
| 17:35.15 | GPSFan | cp might recognize that image... |
| 17:35.27 | prpplague | hehe thanks |
| 17:35.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: gonna update the wiki? |
| 17:35.53 | GPSFan | not right now... gotta run out for a while. |
| 17:36.24 | prpplague | np, i'll go it |
| 17:36.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks a bunch |
| 17:37.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you finish the work on that morse code program? |
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| 17:38.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ages ago |
| 17:39.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm interested in possibly putting that to practical use. |
| 17:39.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: solar posted it somewhere |
| 17:41.56 | RobotGuy | I'm taking my Amateur Radio test soon, hopefully this Sunday. |
| 17:49.11 | prpplague | oh ok |
| 18:01.20 | kergoth | OT, but anyone know any good resources for learning about ipsec? |
| 18:01.48 | prpplague | not i |
| 18:02.06 | prpplague | i haven't done anything with ipsec in ages |
| 18:02.46 | ds2 | there was a decent book on it I used a few years ago |
| 18:03.13 | ds2 | unfortunately,that book is in the bottom of some pile here; all I recall was it was from a local book store |
| 18:12.02 | MothaWork | RobotGuy: you do know that there is no longer a code requirement for an amateur radio license of any class in the USA, right? |
| 18:12.21 | MothaWork | I wouldn't discourage learning morse for that reason, but you won't be tested on it |
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| 18:47.25 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: Yes, I know. |
| 18:48.02 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: I will take the Tech test first. I won't be ready for General for awhile. |
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| 19:10.24 | solar | Anybody played with http://gavare.se/gxemul/ (if so initial thoughts?) |
| 19:11.55 | solar | RobotGuy-AFK: final version is here http://dev.gentoo.org/~solar/embedded/arduino/Morse.c |
| 19:14.03 | prpplague | thats interesting |
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| 19:49.54 | kergoth | "The state of Arizona doesn't observe Daylight Saving Time. But it is the law in the Navajo Nation, located in Arizona's northeastern corner. The Hopi Nationâsituated inside the Navajo Nationâfollows the rest of the state and disregards DST. So if you drive the length of Route 264 during the summer, you might have to reset your watch three times." |
| 19:49.59 | solar | prpplague: command line options for it look like. http://rafb.net/p/ghvHH480.html |
| 19:55.46 | chouimat|work | kergoth: nice :D |
| 19:56.03 | CosmicPenguin | oh, the joys of working from home |
| 19:56.16 | CosmicPenguin | cat starts hacking up a hairball, dog surprises cat, cat runs down the stairs still hacking up said hairball |
| 19:56.22 | CosmicPenguin | dog eats hairball |
| 19:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | trail of goo all the way down the stairs |
| 20:05.04 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you know these sorts of things - I want to start using mutt at home, and I want to do client side flitering, but I don't want to go the fetchmail route |
| 20:05.12 | CosmicPenguin | what options do I have? |
| 20:06.20 | CosmicPenguin | http://isync.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:06.21 | CosmicPenguin | possibly that |
| 20:10.00 | kergoth | hmm, can't say I've ever tried to set up something like that. Whenever I've used mutt, I've ended up using fetchmail and handling it all in the local MUA & procmail |
| 20:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | yeah me too |
| 20:10.40 | CosmicPenguin | but I don't want to give up on the webmail |
| 20:10.47 | CosmicPenguin | too useful if I am away from the system |
| 20:11.12 | CosmicPenguin | oh, well - mass system upgrade and I'll worry about it later |
| 20:11.19 | kergoth | nod. what webmail setup are you using? |
| 20:11.36 | CosmicPenguin | I use squirrelmail |
| 20:11.53 | CosmicPenguin | courier-imap on the backend |
| 20:11.58 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:12.11 | kergoth | how's mutts imap support? last time i tried it it was pretty weak |
| 20:12.22 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know, to tell you the truth |
| 20:12.29 | CosmicPenguin | I ran fetchmail at amd |
| 20:14.42 | kergoth | ah |
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| 23:59.02 | JohnnyL | hi |